Comments on: Donofrio v FactCheck.org (Updated again) http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/donofrio-v-factcheck-org/ Fishing for gold coins in a bucket of mud Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:37:03 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dr. Conspiracy http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/donofrio-v-factcheck-org/#comment-29985 Dr. Conspiracy Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:18:24 +0000 http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?p=4623#comment-29985 <strong>Mark</strong>:<em> were you trying to show both sides of this or just piling up stuff to support a view you already had?</em> The list is intended to be a comprehensive source of authoritative citations that came from Internet sources and WestLaw. When I made the list, I included everything I found. Views that disagree with the majority opinion are towards the end in the section labeled "Losers". Since I made the list, a few opposing citations have come to my attention that I haven't added either for lack of attention or because I didn't find them authoritative. So the list is a little biased now, but not a lot. However, I would never include something in the list taken out of context just to make it look one way or another. The quotations in the list fairly represent what the writer intended as best I could tell. Mark: were you trying to show both sides of this or just piling up stuff to support a view you already had?

The list is intended to be a comprehensive source of authoritative citations that came from Internet sources and WestLaw. When I made the list, I included everything I found. Views that disagree with the majority opinion are towards the end in the section labeled “Losers”.

Since I made the list, a few opposing citations have come to my attention that I haven’t added either for lack of attention or because I didn’t find them authoritative. So the list is a little biased now, but not a lot. However, I would never include something in the list taken out of context just to make it look one way or another. The quotations in the list fairly represent what the writer intended as best I could tell.

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]]> By: Mark http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/donofrio-v-factcheck-org/#comment-29931 Mark Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:40:45 +0000 http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?p=4623#comment-29931 Wow! That is a nice list. Being totally honest ... were you trying to show both sides of this or just piling up stuff to support a view you already had? I've noticed that lawyers seem to almost always come up with an impressive list of precedents on both sides of the same issues ... that's why they get the big bucks ... I've also noticed that the folks on the subject seem rather like lawyers. :) No offense meant. Wow! That is a nice list. Being totally honest … were you trying to show both sides of this or just piling up stuff to support a view you already had?

I’ve noticed that lawyers seem to almost always come up with an impressive list of precedents on both sides of the same issues … that’s why they get the big bucks …

I’ve also noticed that the folks on the subject seem rather like lawyers. :) No offense meant.

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]]> By: Mark http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/donofrio-v-factcheck-org/#comment-29930 Mark Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:35:43 +0000 http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?p=4623#comment-29930 Sorry Greg, I've been missing half the comments because I didn't click the older comments link. There's a lot more to digest your earlier stuff. Thanks again. Sorry Greg, I’ve been missing half the comments because I didn’t click the older comments link. There’s a lot more to digest your earlier stuff. Thanks again.

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]]> By: Dr. Conspiracy http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/donofrio-v-factcheck-org/#comment-29929 Dr. Conspiracy Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:35:07 +0000 http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?p=4623#comment-29929 I'll give you a green thumb for politeness (the software won't let you click your own). There are biased lists with short quotes taken out of context, or by biased commentators, explained wrong, or sometimes just plain misquoted and I can see that if that was ALL someone read, they might come to the conclusion you did. But, you should look at<a href="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/the-great-mother-of-all-natural-born-citizen-quotation-pages/" rel="nofollow"> my list</a>. It's quite impressive. I’ll give you a green thumb for politeness (the software won’t let you click your own).

There are biased lists with short quotes taken out of context, or by biased commentators, explained wrong, or sometimes just plain misquoted and I can see that if that was ALL someone read, they might come to the conclusion you did. But, you should look at my list. It’s quite impressive.

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]]> By: Mark http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/donofrio-v-factcheck-org/#comment-29927 Mark Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:29:50 +0000 http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?p=4623#comment-29927 Scientist, thanks nice thoughts. I'm not offended - I just wanted to see if you guys can throttle back or if I will always get full blast rave. :) Greg, I've seen people who feel differently than you give their rather lengthy lists of how to interpret 'natural born'. I really don't know without a lot more reading, but my first impression from doing a lot of reading different people's lists was that the other 'natural born' interpretation was more convincing. I don't really have the energy and time to counter, but I do appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts. And I really am politically neutral. I guess I got interested in this because it involved a lot of law and history and I like a good detective story. Sorry I didn't have more substance to contribute. I'm just learning from others' research. What's a guy gotta do to get a green thumb's up around here? Click your own? Scientist, thanks nice thoughts. I’m not offended – I just wanted to see if you guys can throttle back or if I will always get full blast rave. :)

Greg, I’ve seen people who feel differently than you give their rather lengthy lists of how to interpret ‘natural born’.

I really don’t know without a lot more reading, but my first impression from doing a lot of reading different people’s lists was that the other ‘natural born’ interpretation was more convincing.

I don’t really have the energy and time to counter, but I do appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts.

And I really am politically neutral. I guess I got interested in this because it involved a lot of law and history and I like a good detective story. Sorry I didn’t have more substance to contribute. I’m just learning from others’ research.

What’s a guy gotta do to get a green thumb’s up around here? Click your own?

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