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No Whining!

No Whining!

If there’s one thing I hate, it’s a whiner…

Back in the days of the Vietnam war and the radical left there arose an idea called “political correctness” and while PC went a long way towards showing up bigotry, it also created a class of self-proclaimed victims who whined a lot.

About a decade ago, I noticed that the religious right had adopted the self-proclaimed victim label, fanned by such organizations as the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) and the tribe of televangelists. They whined a lot. Today the biggest whiners are the tax protesters, and the silliest are the parents who whine about the President talking to their children.

In the Obama Conspiracy context, it looks to me like the anti-Obama tribe has also taken up the victim banner, whether it is the “lack of civility” whine of the lawyers or the general whine that they should be immune from criticism.

I don’t know if there  has been in reality a great sea change from whining on the left to whining on the right, or if it’s just my changing viewpoint with age; I just hope never to be found among the whiners. Anyone who posts their views on a web site is, in the words of the immortal Ray Stevens, “invitin’ public critique”.

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33 Responses to Sticks and stones

  1. avatar
    sarina September 10, 2009 at 9:02 pm #

    Talking about whiners…

    What I don’t understand about the birthers is that Obama posted his COLB, Hawaii official stated it is an authentic bc. There is an article in the Star Bulletin
    explaining that the Health Department went paperless in 2001 and they only issue electronic form, Missouri and others states also issue short forms only and they are still “whining about Obama’s long form?!
    God is incredible!

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    Mary Brown September 10, 2009 at 9:03 pm #

    I agree with you. I’ve been involved in conversations at my church about this subject. I especially loathe the idoiocy that claims the church in this country is persecuted. Persecution means that you can lose your job, go to jail, or worse. Oh, anther one is that the whole society is so against us we need to withdraw and make sure our children are never exposed to “influences.” I and others who listen to this drivel wonder where their faith and their backbones have gone. The early Christians did not suffer from this lack of integrity. I should note that on occasion I find the remarks of some to be inane, especially the one that declares that all people who share my theology are stupid or illiterate or dumb. But that is not persecution.

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    richCares September 10, 2009 at 9:03 pm #

    yes there are many whiners, especially Birthers, but they can save money, if they visit skid row they will notice whiners buying Sterno at liquor stores. Add 2 gals of water to sterno and you get a potent wine, better than most cheap wines. So go for it Birthers, it may help you with your mental problems.

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    Mary Brown September 10, 2009 at 9:07 pm #

    I forgot to add the crowd that believes that the church should come out, become involved in setting a political agenda so it can set socitety on a different course. I posted about Francis Schaeffer and his son’s book.

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    richCares September 10, 2009 at 9:14 pm #

    in the colonies, it was against the law to be a “Baptist” in most of them, also Catholics were ridiculed and persecuted. That’s why we started this country with separation of church/state, to get away from religious hate.

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    Sally Hill September 10, 2009 at 9:29 pm #

    Yes, I thought it was silly when the left whined and cried and opened an investigation when Bush Sr. spoke to school children – and equally silly when the right just whined about Obama (so far they’ve not demanded an investigation such as the left did with Bush Sr.).

    No whining here…I’d have just kept my kids home as I did when Bush Sr. addressed the school children. They’re all grown up now and gone, so no problems here.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm #

    (Phil 1:29 NRSV) For he has graciously granted you the privilege not only of believing in Christ, but of suffering for him as well–

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    Mary Brown September 10, 2009 at 10:36 pm #

    This kind of stuff as we have heard President Obama say is “silly season in politics.”

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    Lupin September 11, 2009 at 3:06 am #

    Apologies in advance for the over-generalization in a Tocqueville kind of way. (Way too many good exceptions to be fully valid as a fully operative statement.) But Americans tend to be whiners.

    To the perhaps untrained foreign eye, as soon as Americans stop being #1 or don’t get their way (and it happens more and more frequently these days), they start whining.

    America is sort of like British Empire under Queen Victoria when it comes to feeling entitled and superior, but without the stiff upper lip that stopped it from whining when it got kicked in the ass.

    I hate to think what it’s going to be like in the next decade as the American empire finally disintegrates.

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    Welsh Dragon September 11, 2009 at 4:36 am #

    Mary Brown: This kind of stuff as we have heard President Obama say is “silly season in politics.”

    I hadn’t seen that one before is the term “silly season” used in the US? In the UK we’ve used it for as long as I can remember to describe the period late July to mid September when Parliament is in recess.

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    Black Lion September 11, 2009 at 8:53 am #

    It is funny how what was not acceptable when the President was Bush is now acceptable under President Obama. If anyone had yelled out during an address by the President like that Congressman from SC did when Bush was President would have been vilified. Or if there were protests against the Presidents policy, like the people who protested against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, they were labeled as anti-american but now they are considered patriots. It is funny how things change. Another example was how the so called right reacted when President Obama wanted to address schoolkids all across the country. A lot of districts in Southern or very conservative areas declined to allow the speech but in Texas it is OK for the kids to hear President Bush speak.

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/09/texas-school-district-that-declined-obama-will-bus-students-to-hear-bush.html

    The double standard is ridiculous. And the media allows it to happen by giving a stage to those people on the fringe of the right.

    For instance below is the new so called “conspiracy” over at tROSL. Basically the forms the DNC submitted to the individual states certifying that President Obama was eligible. For the birthers it is another attempt at the so called “smoking gun”…It is really amazing…

    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7208#comments

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    kimba September 11, 2009 at 9:21 am #

    Apparently “You Lie” is the teabaggers’ new rallying cry. I will be curious to see how many people really turn out for this 9/12 thing.
    http://912dc.org/
    Sponsored by Freedom Works, who is charging other co-sponsors $10,000 each to participate. Grassroots my tookus.

    And check out one of the main co-sponsors: Narlo. National Assoc of Rural Landowners.
    http://www.narlo.org/cd.html
    Holy Schmoley, the usual right-wing BS about “restore our Constitution” which is of course right-wing code for “put the non-whites and the women back in their place”.
    Nice crowd there in DC this weekend. Sheesh.

  13. avatar
    Black Lion September 11, 2009 at 11:39 am #

    I find it interesting that we have not heard from our buddy AXJ in awhile. Remember September 8th was going to be the day? Now silence….We can gather that he was definately a troll…For instance below is the AXJ posting over at Orly’s house of horrors…

    96.AXJ Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
    ORIGINAL OBAMA BC DISCOVERED IN 1964 DIVORCE DOCUMENTS

    AXJ-HAWAII
    090709

    Apparently the Hawaiian Chapter of AXJ has discovered the original divorce documents filed in 1964, and among them has discovered that Stanley Ann Dunham (with the help of others) did in fact present a Certificate of Live Birth of a child born in Mobassa, Kenya, which is being studied to see if in fact it belongs to a child by the name of Barack Hussein Obama, II, although Barack Hussein Obama Sr. never admitted to having a son, was never notified of any divorce documents filed against him, and was killed in Kenya for political reasons.

    The document presented by the Hawaiian Authorities includes a number “19‘ that does not correspond to any numbering order in the documents recorded in 1961, and they know it. They possibly could be responsible for Fraud against the American People if this preliminary investigation turns out to be true.

    I find it interesting how aggressive this group has become. Do they want to take over for republx? Or resinet? Either way to make that totally unsubstantiated statement I am sure was just to get people to visit their website. Just like the birthers they contribute nothing to the discussion.

  14. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 11, 2009 at 3:01 pm #

    You haven’t heard from AXJ because I don’t allow his messages to appear. He’s still commenting they are all deleted before you see them.

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 11, 2009 at 3:16 pm #

    Of course since President Obama is British, you would expect him to use the term. 😉

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 11, 2009 at 3:21 pm #

    I’m trying to limit my whining to the new tag line at the top of the blog: “Looking for the gold coin in a bucket of mud.” This is my whiny complaint that the nobot lawyers write things that are too long. I shudder at the length of some of the things I write sometimes.

  17. avatar
    Bob September 11, 2009 at 3:23 pm #

    Phil’s response was remarkably measured; he asked “why?” and then pointed out that different states may have different requirements.

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    Greg September 11, 2009 at 3:33 pm #

    What is it with crazies and thinking more is better? Bill Walker, an apparent “Article V” crazy, brags on his site about filing a nearly 800 page brief with the court. He now thinks that because the government waived its opportunity to answer the complaint, that they’ve admitted all the facts there – even though it has been dismissed at every level of the court.

    Brevity is the soul of wit, and of legal briefs. No court is going to wade through your 800 page tome to get to the heart of the matter.

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    Black Lion September 11, 2009 at 3:57 pm #

    OK…I thought he had given up trolling…It is a good think so we are not being bombarded with his rubbish….

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    richCares September 11, 2009 at 4:07 pm #

    both my laptop and my desktop reported malware at AXJ site, don’t go without protection. (not condoms)

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 11, 2009 at 4:55 pm #

    This “admitted” scheme was big stuff when Obama didn’t answer Berg’s complaint in Berg v. Obama (when the case was dismissed). Berg claimed Obama had “admitted” everything in the suit. Preposterous.

  22. avatar
    nbc September 11, 2009 at 7:03 pm #

    It’s even more remarkable since the only issue in front of the Supreme Court was jurisdiction and not the meritless claims by the plaintiffs.

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    Mario Apuzzo September 11, 2009 at 10:11 pm #

    kimba,

    You sure like to spew out hate. By the way, there is a book out on teabagging.

  24. avatar
    jtx September 12, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Doc:

    Well you should shudder – and for more reasons than just length!

  25. avatar
    Greg September 12, 2009 at 12:37 pm #

    “Well you should shudder – and for more reasons than just length!”

    Yep. There’s also:
    – bad grammar;
    – terrible spelling;
    – a failure to follow simple court rules like signing your papers or effecting service;
    – a disregard for settled Constitutional law like standing;
    – citation of precedents like Dred Scott that represent the nadir of our nation’s judicial history;
    – longing looks back at the pro-slavery movement;
    – phrases like “Darwinian man,” “shaved monkey” and rape that push the envelope of decency;
    – a misuse of legal processes like interpleader;
    – a misunderstanding of established court procedures like magistrate judges;
    – generally poor writing;
    – atrocious legal research; AND,
    – terrible legal reasoning.

    So, yes, lots of reasons, other than length, to shudder.

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    kimba September 12, 2009 at 12:45 pm #

    No hate here, I just poke fun. Looks like I got under your skin poking fun at you, Mario. The DC crowd today? Didn’t even fill the Capitol lawn. On a beautiful warm Saturday in Sep. That’s your base. More than 5 times that many people will be in Ohio Stadium rooting for the Buckeyes against USC tonight! And 1000 times that many filled the Mall in January in below freezing weather. Rock on!

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 12, 2009 at 12:51 pm #

    Greg, old buddy, my “shuddering” referred to the length of the articles *I* write. Last time I checked, I had not used the phrase “Darwinian man”, so I guess I’m safe.

    😯

    [I am laughing here.]

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    jtx September 12, 2009 at 3:11 pm #

    Greg:

    why accuse Doc of all of that? Admittedly he’s done quite a few of those – but hardly all!

  29. avatar
    Greg September 12, 2009 at 5:46 pm #

    Oops. 😮

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    Mario Apuzzo September 12, 2009 at 6:42 pm #

    Kimba,

    How teenagie.

  31. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 12, 2009 at 7:26 pm #

    Did you want to share which of the “quite a few” you mean, or is this just the usual knee-jerk generic bad mouth comment.

  32. avatar
    kimba September 12, 2009 at 7:32 pm #

    Particularly offensive were the signs printed by one of the sponsors that said:
    “Bury ObamaCare with Kennedy”
    Stay classy right-wingers.

    But my favorite has to be the hand-lettered sign by the a woman that said:
    ” Keep your hands off my body”
    Oh, the irony, the irony.

    Now the one of the middle-aged guys smearing an Obama picture in horse poo left by one of the national park police horses and laughing and taking pictures, that’s teenagie.

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    Mario Apuzzo September 13, 2009 at 2:56 am #

    kimba: Particularly offensive were the signs printed by one of the sponsors that said:“Bury ObamaCare with Kennedy”Stay classy right-wingers.But my favorite has to be the hand-lettered sign by the a woman that said:” Keep your hands off my body”Oh, the irony, the irony.Now the one of the middle-aged guys smearing an Obama picture in horse poo left by one of the national park police horses and laughing and taking pictures, that’s teenagie.

    I have enough to do with reading those 400-year-old English cases. Now you want me to keep those people under control, too. Don’t you think you are spreading me a bit thin?