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Tim Adams on Reality Check Radio tonight at 9 (Updated)

If things go according to plan, Hawaiian election clerk and instant Obama denialist celebrity will be on Reality Check Radio tonight at 9 PM Eastern Time. Will we finally achieve closure on who claimed that who saw what when?

It was a “no show.” Adams didn’t appear. Maybe the electricity was off where he was. Ya think?

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49 Responses to Tim Adams on Reality Check Radio tonight at 9 (Updated)

  1. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 22, 2010 at 8:20 pm #

    Celebrity? Yeah, the Paris Hilton of the birthers

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    Majority Will July 22, 2010 at 8:50 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Celebrity? Yeah, the Paris Hilton of the birthers

    He’s more like the Ed Keelin of the Toledo, Ohioans. Never heard of him?

    Exactly.

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 23, 2010 at 12:15 am #

    Off topic, but rumor has it, the court let Apuzzo off the hook today. Anybody know anything?

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    G July 23, 2010 at 12:29 am #

    Hmmm…Tim Adams a “no show”. Gee, why am I not surprised…

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Off topic, but rumor has it, the court let Apuzzo off the hook today. Anybody know anything?

    FUT.. – Greg posted the answer to this under the “Apuzzo Strikes Back” topic at 3:57pm on Thurs. Here’s what he said:

    Greg:
    Congratulations on not being sanctioned, Mario.

    07/22/2010 Open Document ORDER (SLOVITER, BARRY and HARDIMAN, Circuit Judges) On July 2, 2010, this Court filed an Order to Show Cause directing Apepllant’s counsel to show cause in writing why he should not be subject to an Order pursuant to F.R.A.P. 38 for pursuing a frivolous appeal. In response, Mario Apuzzo filed a 95-page statement that contains, inter alia, numerous statements directed to the merits of this Court’s opinion, which the Court finds unpersuasive. His request that the Court reconsider its opinion is denied, as the appropriate procedure for that issue is through a Petition for Rehearing. However, based on Mr. Apuzzo’s explanation of his efforts to research the applicable law on standing, we hereby discharge the Order to Show Cause, filed. Sloviter, Authoring Judge. (PDB)

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    richCares July 23, 2010 at 12:47 am #

    When I saw the announcement, I thought why in the world would he show up at a place that asks real questions, there is no way he will show up. I was right!

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 23, 2010 at 1:05 am #

    G: Hmmm…Tim Adams a “no show”.Gee, why am I not surprised…
    FUT.. – Greg posted the answer to this under the “Apuzzo Strikes Back” topic at 3:57pm on Thurs.Here’s what he said:

    Thanks, G

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    Slartibartfast July 23, 2010 at 3:29 am #

    How disappointing (but not surprising…).

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    Jules July 23, 2010 at 5:21 am #

    I don’t understand how Adams could be relied upon to establish anything about Obama. He had no access to birth records of Obama or anyone else. He did not handle Obama’s voter registration or any of Obama’s records. His statements about Certifications of Live Birth in Hawaii show his ignorance about birth records in Hawaii.

    Meanwhile, those at Factcheck who have inspected Obama’s Certification of Live Birth confirm that it is a genuine document. Those who hold the original birth records for Obama and everyone else born in Hawaii confirm that such records show that Obama was born in Hawaii.

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    Majority Will July 23, 2010 at 9:45 am #

    G: Hmmm…Tim Adams a “no show”.Gee, why am I not surprised…

    He was swabbing the latrines at the new FEMA camp in west Kentucky.

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    James July 23, 2010 at 10:27 am #

    Obama was on the county ballot for the people to vote for. As a candidate on the ballot, I guess Adams and others needed to verify his identity to determine who he or she said they were. It is possible that Adams and others with tremendous inquiry into Obama’s eligiblity decided to investigate themselves and discovered the truth – Obama was not born in Hawaii. If these actions were illegal or unlawful it might explain why everyone has become tightlipped and is backpedaling. After all, it took many months after Obama had won the election to issue a highly crafty and misleading public statement that Obama was born in Hawaii. Of course, Fukino’s statement still offers little or no credibility since no coorborative evidence to date has been shown that places Obama’s birth in Hawaii. The COLB only creates a presumption of birth but is not corrabative evidence; the long-form listing the hospital and doc provides that. Many believe that if Dr. Fukino is telling the truth, then the vital record of Obama are not hospital birth records but merely sworn statements or affidavitts probably by the gradmother that Obama was born in Hawaii.

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    James July 23, 2010 at 10:36 am #

    Another General appears to support LTC Terry Lakin:

    http://networkedblogs.com/67pQU

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    AnotherBird July 23, 2010 at 10:41 am #

    James: Obama was on the county ballot for the people to vote for.As a candidate on the ballot, I guess Adams and others needed to verify his identity to determine who he or she said they were….

    James, James, what could be said. Tim Adams job was clerical, which had to do with voter registration. The is no analogy to explain how wrong what you suggested is. Your assertion is just false, and the rest is factually false.

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    richCares July 23, 2010 at 10:57 am #

    “As a candidate on the ballot”
    .
    there was no ballot, Adams quit long before a ballot was prepared. Wow, birthers are very dense.

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    racosta July 23, 2010 at 11:00 am #

    Another General appears to support LTC Terry Lakin:
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    General Petraeus is follwing his orders and serving America. Is it too much to ask Lakin to do the same?

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    Sef July 23, 2010 at 11:13 am #

    James: Obama was on the county ballot for the people to vote for.As a candidate on the ballot, I guess Adams and others needed to verify his identity to determine who he or she said they were.It is possible that Adams and others with tremendous inquiry into Obama’s eligiblity decided to investigate themselves and discovered the truth – Obama was not born in Hawaii.If these actions were illegal or unlawful it might explain why everyone has become tightlipped and is backpedaling.After all, it took many months after Obama had won the election to issue a highly crafty and misleading public statement that Obama was born in Hawaii.Of course, Fukino’s statement stilloffers little or no credibility since no coorborative evidence to date has been shown that places Obama’s birth in Hawaii.The COLB only creates a presumption of birth but is not corrabative evidence; the long-form listing the hospital and doc provides that.Many believe that if Dr. Fukino is telling the truth, then the vital record of Obama are not hospital birth records but merely sworn statements or affidavitts probably by the gradmother that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Hawaii did not have a Dem Presidential Primary for President in 2008, they had caucuses on Feb 19. There would have been no reason to prepare a ballot prior to the conventions by which time Adams was long gone, so your argument holds no water.

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    Dave July 23, 2010 at 11:16 am #

    James: Another General appears to support LTC Terry Lakin:http://networkedblogs.com/67pQU

    So we have two retired generals who are birthers. Is that a lot? I found an article from several years ago, looking at the fact that 6 retired generals had called for Rumsfeld’s resignation, and asking the same question: is that a lot? The answer is, there are about 4700 retired generals, so 6 is not a lot. 2 would be significantly less. That would be 0.04%. I would call that numerically insignificant.

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    Hormone Stallone July 23, 2010 at 11:21 am #

    Jules: I don’t understand how Adams could be relied upon to establish anything about Obama. He had no access to birth records of Obama or anyone else. He did not handle Obama’s voter registration or any of Obama’s records. His statements about Certifications of Live Birth in Hawaii show his ignorance about birth records in Hawaii.Meanwhile, those at Factcheck who have inspected Obama’s Certification of Live Birth confirm that it is a genuine document. Those who hold the original birth records for Obama and everyone else born in Hawaii confirm that such records show that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Hawaii DoH has the legal paperwork for all recipients of AFDC payments in Hawaii. In 1975, Congress passed a law requiring all AFDC participants to acquire a SSN to continue receiving aid. Shorty after that, Obama obtained an SSN with Connecticut return address.

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    Jules July 23, 2010 at 11:27 am #

    James: Obama was on the county ballot for the people to vote for.As a candidate on the ballot, I guess Adams and others needed to verify his identity to determine who he or she said they were.It is possible that Adams and others with tremendous inquiry into Obama’s eligiblity decided to investigate themselves and discovered the truth – Obama was not born in Hawaii.If these actions were illegal or unlawful it might explain why everyone has become tightlipped and is backpedaling.After all, it took many months after Obama had won the election to issue a highly crafty and misleading public statement that Obama was born in Hawaii.Of course, Fukino’s statement stilloffers little or no credibility since no coorborative evidence to date has been shown that places Obama’s birth in Hawaii.The COLB only creates a presumption of birth but is not corrabative evidence; the long-form listing the hospital and doc provides that.Many believe that if Dr. Fukino is telling the truth, then the vital record of Obama are not hospital birth records but merely sworn statements or affidavitts probably by the gradmother that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    So you’re saying that county election officials get to vet those who have qualified for the ballot in a statewide election? If so, then I’d be curious what your basis for this belief is.

    As far as any “tremendous inquiry” is concerned, all the evidence is that Tim Adams had no access to birth records. Thus, your speculation about what he supposedly discovered is baseless.

    The Certification of Live Birth is prima facie evidence, meaning that it is deemed sufficient to prove a fact unless and until there is evidence sufficient to rebut it. It need not be corroborated by anything. The burden would be on the birthers to present admissible evidence to rebut the Certification of Live Birth. What evidence do you have?

    The Certification of Live Birth does not confirm that the birth was in any particular hospital because it is only evidence of information printed on it. The exact hospital and attending physician are not material because all parts of Honolulu are within the United States.

    As to speculation about a grandmother filing a birth report: Hawaii law would only allow an unattended birth to be reported by someone other than a parent if it could be shown that no parent was able to report the birth. If the grandmother had reported the birth, then it would not have been accepted unless it had been shown that a birth took place and the mother had died, become physically incapable of reporting the birth within the required time, or was otherwise unavailable to report the birth within the required time. In the event that the grandmother claimed that her daughter had gone away or were physically incapable, then she would have been told to come back later, as the birth was registered well before the deadline. I don’t see how it would be possible to establish the facts of a birth and incapacity of a mother without evidence that the child exists. (Even if Obama’s birth had been unattended and reported by affidavit, then there would still be a need to introduce evidence to support any proposition that Obama was born somewhere other than Honolulu.)

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    Greg July 23, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    James: The COLB only creates a presumption of birth but is not corrabative evidence; the long-form listing the hospital and doc provides that.

    You seem to misunderstand every substantive word in that sentence.

    Evidence – Something (including testimony, documents and tangible objects) that tends to prove or disprove the existence of an alleged fact.

    Corroborating evidence – evidence that differs from but strengthens or confirms other evidence

    Presumption – A legal inference or assumption that a fact exists, based on the known or proven evidence of some other fact or group of facts.

    What you are trying to say is:

    The COLB is only circumstantial evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii. The Long Form would also be only circumstantial evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii. We need to interview the doctor, who can provide direct evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

    The Long Form isn’t direct evidence, so its evidentiary value is exactly the same as the COLB! They are both circumstantial evidence. They are evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and that the DOH recorded his birth correctly.

    The statements by the government are corroborating evidence of the COLB. Taken together, they prove that the long form will say the exact same thing as the COLB.

    My guess, not a single birther passed their evidence class.

    Hormone Stallone: Hawaii DoH has the legal paperwork for all recipients of AFDC payments in Hawaii. In 1975, Congress passed a law requiring all AFDC participants to acquire a SSN to continue receiving aid. Shorty after that, Obama obtained an SSN with Connecticut return address.

    Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc

    Four years ago, I washed my car. Shortly after that, it rained.

    Of course, I define shortly (like the birthers) to be between 2 and 4 years.

    They also claim it was issued between 1977 and 1979.

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    Jules July 23, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Hormone Stallone:
    Hawaii DoH has the legal paperwork for all recipients of AFDC payments in Hawaii. In 1975, Congress passed a law requiring all AFDC participants to acquire a SSN to continue receiving aid. Shorty after that, Obama obtained an SSN with Connecticut return address.

    How is this relevant?

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    katahdin July 23, 2010 at 12:13 pm #

    Jules: How is this relevant?

    It goes along with the racist birther trope that all black people are dependent on the government.

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    Majority Will July 23, 2010 at 12:18 pm #

    Jules:
    How is this relevant?

    Because Fallacy of Accident (a dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid) is a birther’s method of providing irrefutable evidence.

    Way down the rabbit hole.

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    Black Lion July 23, 2010 at 12:29 pm #

    Hormone Stallone: Hawaii DoH has the legal paperwork for all recipients of AFDC payments in Hawaii. In 1975, Congress passed a law requiring all AFDC participants to acquire a SSN to continue receiving aid. Shorty after that, Obama obtained an SSN with Connecticut return address.

    Sven, will you ever give up on this refugee fantasy? I mean it was fun the first year or so but to be honest it is getting pretty lame. Especially since in all that time you have never produced any sort of direct evidence to support your claim…..And if you are going to push it, at least get your dates correct.

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    Rickey July 23, 2010 at 1:24 pm #

    James: Obama was on the county ballot for the people to vote for.As a candidate on the ballot, I guess Adams and others needed to verify his identity to determine who he or she said they were.

    Obama wasn’t even nominated by the Democratic Party until the end of August, and by that time Adams was long gone So even if his job was to verify the eligibility of candidates (and it wasn’t), he would have had no reason to verify anyone during the time that he was there..

    Glen Takahashi, the administrator of the Honolulu City Clerk’s office,..explained that the “senior elections clerk” job that Adams held was a low-level data entry position dealing with voter registration and absentee ballots — Adams was one of dozens of temporary employees who staffed the pre-election rush. And he contradicted Adams’s claims that Obama’s lack of a birth certificate was an “open secret” or that voters contacted the office to ask about it.

    “To be honest, I fielded no questions about that,” Takahashi said. “Why would anyone ask us? We don’t have those records.”

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/there_are_some_people_who.html

    Another James fail.

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    Reality Check July 23, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    I am disappointed that Adams decided not to call into my show last night. He seemed very interested in appearing as recently as last weekend. We can all speculate as to why he changed his mind. He did not even bother to call in early or drop me a note that he could not or would not appear on the show. I had not read much about Tim Adams until I began preparing for the show this week. He is a somewhat intriguing character.

    My theory (as I discussed last night) is that he wove a tale tale for his buddies at the CoCC meeting in Nashville to gain some notoriety and he never dreamed the interview on The Political Cesspool show would cause such a stir in Birfistan. Once this got out he was in a tough position. I think that explains the second interview on the local TV station where he seemed to back track on being a Birther. This is all speculation of course.

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    Gorefan July 23, 2010 at 3:52 pm #

    James: Another General appears to support LTC Terry Lakin:http://networkedblogs.com/67pQU

    James, don’t forget General “Buck” Turgidson.

    And what ever you do don’t ever let them see the Big Board.

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    Rickey July 23, 2010 at 4:09 pm #

    James: Another General appears to support LTC Terry Lakin:

    It’s estimated that there are about 4700 retired general officers in the U.S., so you only have 4,698 to go. Let me know when you get there.

    How is Orly doing with her efforts to get General McChrystal on board?

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    G July 23, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    James: Another General appears to support LTC Terry Lakin:http://networkedblogs.com/67pQU

    Big deal. Another gullible old conservative coot who grew up in a pre-Civil Rights world…

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    G July 23, 2010 at 4:51 pm #

    James: Obama was on the county ballot for the people to vote for.As a candidate on the ballot, I guess Adams and others needed to verify his identity to determine who he or she said they were.It is possible that Adams and others with tremendous inquiry into Obama’s eligiblity decided to investigate themselves and discovered the truth – Obama was not born in Hawaii.If these actions were illegal or unlawful it might explain why everyone has become tightlipped and is backpedaling.After all, it took many months after Obama had won the election to issue a highly crafty and misleading public statement that Obama was born in Hawaii.Of course, Fukino’s statement stilloffers little or no credibility since no coorborative evidence to date has been shown that places Obama’s birth in Hawaii.The COLB only creates a presumption of birth but is not corrabative evidence; the long-form listing the hospital and doc provides that.Many believe that if Dr. Fukino is telling the truth, then the vital record of Obama are not hospital birth records but merely sworn statements or affidavitts probably by the gradmother that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Sorry, you FAIL again, James.

    There would be no reason for Obama’s name to be on any ballot at that time.

    HI held their Democratic Primaries on 02/19/2008.

    Tim Adam’s little temporary internship seemed to occur sometime that summer, although all we know for sure is that he was on a “leave of absence” for reasons we still don’t really know and never returned to his job there when that “leave” was supposed to be up in August of 2008.

    Therefore, he wasn’t there during any time that they would have been putting together general election ballots for November either.

    Bottom line, Tim Adams whole story is a bunch of hogwash nonsense.

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    Majority Will July 23, 2010 at 5:26 pm #

    G:
    Sorry, you FAIL again, James.There would be no reason for Obama’s name to be on any ballot at that time.HI held their Democratic Primaries on 02/19/2008.Tim Adam’s little temporary internship seemed to occur sometime that summer, although all we know for sure is that he was on a “leave of absence” for reasons we still don’t really know and never returned to his job there when that “leave” was supposed to be up in August of 2008.Therefore, he wasn’t there during any time that they would have been putting together general election ballots for November either.Bottom line, Tim Adams whole story is a bunch of hogwash nonsense.

    But he sings sweet music to birthers’ ears. That’s the only thing that matters in Birferstan.

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    Hormone Stallone July 23, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    Reality Check: I am disappointed that Adams decided not to call into my show last night. He seemed very interested in appearing as recently as last weekend. We can all speculate as to why he changed his mind. He did not even bother to call in early or drop me a note that he could not or would not appear on the show. I had not read much about Tim Adams until I began preparing for the show this week. He is a somewhat intriguing character. My theory (as I discussed last night) is that he wove a tale tale for his buddies at the CoCC meeting in Nashville to gain some notoriety and he never dreamed the interview on The Political Cesspool show would cause such a stir in Birfistan. Once this got out he was in a tough position. I think that explains the second interview on the local TV station where he seemed to back track on being a Birther. This is all speculation of course.

    You can lead an Obot to water, but you can’t drown them.

    There are many misconceptions about what Tim Adams said and did not say. First, not all U.S. citizens have a birth certificate. Second, you don’t look to the vital records department to confirm your suspicion a person does not have a birth certificate on file.

    If you had carefully explained to Tim you would have given him an opportunity to completely explain his position, without interruption, then I’m sure he would have participated. Anti-Constitutionalist are so quick to attack they sometimes forget the fallacy of their own arguments.

    For example, Obots claims Adams didn’t have access to vital records at DoH, so Adams doesn’t know whether or not Obama has a birth certificate on file or not. I provided an example of how someone could access the state’s welfare rolls to obtain citizenship status, birthplace and other data to determine if a person has a birth certificate with any state’s vital records and I was called a racist.

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    G July 23, 2010 at 5:51 pm #

    Hormone Stallone: You can lead an Obot to water, but you can’t drown them.

    Hormone Stallone: Anti-Constitutionalist are so quick to attack they sometimes forget the fallacy of their own arguments.

    Wow, you are a sick, vile person. Do you know that? No wonder nobody takes you seriously.

    I’m sure there is more to the story of why you were called a racist that what you’ve revealed. Based on your ability to only fling poop and hurl vile insults at others, I would not at all be surprised if you said something bigoted and disgusting as well. People like you with your attitude are a major part of the problem in this country and why actual dialog doesn’t happen. Show some respect for others if you ever want some for yourself.

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    Hormone Stallone July 23, 2010 at 7:12 pm #

    G: Wow, you are a sick, vile person.Do you know that?No wonder nobody takes you seriously.I’m sure there is more to the story of why you were called a racist that what you’ve revealed.Based on your ability to only fling poop and hurl vile insults at others, I would not at all be surprised if you said something bigoted and disgusting as well.People like you with your attitude are a major part of the problem in this country and why actual dialog doesn’t happen.Show some respect for others if you ever want some for yourself.

    I’m sure the “more to the story” you’re fantasying about is a result of your perverse view of reality. Get some counseling and stop blaming others for your failure.

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    racosta July 23, 2010 at 7:20 pm #

    Wow, you are a sick, vile person. Do you know that? No wonder nobody takes you seriously.
    .
    I second that!

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    Dave July 23, 2010 at 7:53 pm #

    Hormone Stallone:
    I’m sure the “more to the story” you’re fantasying about is a result of your perverse view of reality. Get some counseling and stop blaming others for your failure.

    I hope I’m not getting too repetitive on this point, but we really do need to get a better class of troll around here. The whole point of trolling is to provoke arguments, but you’re supposed to pretend you actually have something to say.

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    Majority Will July 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm #

    G: Hormone Stallone:
    Hawaii DoH has the legal paperwork for all recipients of AFDC payments in Hawaii. In 1975, Congress passed a law requiring all AFDC participants to acquire a SSN to continue receiving aid. Shorty after that, Obama obtained an SSN with Connecticut return address.

    Hormone Stallone:
    Hawaii DoH has the legal paperwork for all recipients of AFDC payments in Hawaii. In 1975, Congress passed a law requiring all AFDC participants to acquire a SSN to continue receiving aid. Shorty after that, Obama obtained an SSN with Connecticut return address.

    Jules: How is this relevant?

    katahdin 23. Jul, 2010 at 12:13 pm:
    It goes along with the racist birther trope that all black people are dependent on the government.

    There is no evidence or logical basis for Birther Sven’s delusional, pathetic assumption as usual.

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    Majority Will July 23, 2010 at 8:09 pm #

    G: Wow, you are a sick, vile person.Do you know that?No wonder nobody takes you seriously.I’m sure there is more to the story of why you were called a racist that what you’ve revealed.Based on your ability to only fling poop and hurl vile insults at others, I would not at all be surprised if you said something bigoted and disgusting as well.People like you with your attitude are a major part of the problem in this country and why actual dialog doesn’t happen.Show some respect for others if you ever want some for yourself.

    My comment above was supposed to be a reply to “I would not at all be surprised if you said something bigoted and disgusting as well.”

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    Reality Check July 23, 2010 at 8:15 pm #

    Hormone Stallone: If you had carefully explained to Tim you would have given him an opportunity to completely explain his position, without interruption, then I’m sure he would have participated. Anti-Constitutionalist are so quick to attack they sometimes forget the fallacy of their own arguments.

    Adams could have had two hours to “completely explain his position”. As to me being an “anti-constitutionalist” I refer you to what the courts have ruled about the Constitution some 71 times to date http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pdf

    I didn’t need to explain anything. Adams was enthusiastic about coming on the show.If he had contacted me with any concerns about fairness I would have addressed them.

    Adams story has been inconsistent and contradicted by his supervisors. I would have asked about that. His claim about having “unfettered internet access” is also bizarre because he is no different than millions of others and he tried to intimate that was something special. Adams blew a chance to explain himself. That is his loss and not mine.

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    G July 23, 2010 at 10:03 pm #

    Hormone Stallone: I’m sure the “more to the story” you’re fantasying about is a result of your perverse view of reality. Get some counseling and stop blaming others for your failure.

    Ah, classic projection! But I have a feeling you won’t get around to taking your own advice…

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    AnotherBird July 23, 2010 at 11:01 pm #

    Hormone Stallone:
    …, you don’t look to the vital records department to confirm your suspicion a person does not have a birth certificate on file.For example, Obots claims Adams didn’t have access to vital records at DoH, so Adams doesn’t know whether or not Obama has a birth certificate on file or not…..

    Hormone Stallone:
    I’m sure the “more to the story” you’re fantasying about is a result of your perverse view of reality. Get some counseling and stop blaming others for your failure.

    Hormone Stallone, I think that you should take your own advice and stop blaming others for your failures. Did you actually take time to read your comment or is your hatred for the president so great that you are blinded by your illogical arguments.

    Birth certificates are issued by agencies that have the legal right to do so. Come on this is actually written in law, and that is current American law. This agency is the department responsible for vital records. They issue the records and maintain the records.

    The claim is Adams doesn’t have access, and if he did he possibly broke the law. What agencies can do is request information about an individuals records. Under Hawaii law the “index” can be released on information sought, and for the president was.

    Also, Tim Adams doesn’t have access to the vital records and has no say in what is or isn’t contained in the vital records.

    You continue to “forget the fallacy of their your own arguments.” So stop “fantasying about is a result of your own perverse view of reality.”

    So, take your own advice.

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    misha July 24, 2010 at 12:22 am #

    katahdin: It goes along with the racist birther trope that all black people are dependent on the government.

    Just like farm subsidies.

  42. avatar
    sfjeff July 24, 2010 at 12:44 am #

    Its just Sven making stuff up again.

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    charo July 26, 2010 at 6:15 pm #

    Reality Check: His claim about having “unfettered internet access” is also bizarre because he is no different than millions of others

    My husband works for a company that contracts with the Commonwealth of my state (not Hawaii). He works in a state building and has limited access to the internet. That could be why Adams said what he did. Hopefully you’ll be able to get Adams on in the future for an explanation of not only this, but everything else.

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    Reality Check July 26, 2010 at 8:04 pm #

    Most internet access from companies and governments is limited to some extent. Almost every large scale organization installs filter to stop access to pornography. Many block access to social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace. I thought Adams’ claim that somehow “unfettered Internet access” lent credibility to his claims about Obama’s birth location was silly. If that were true we could all access the same sites from home.

    I doubt Adams will come on my show. As time goes by I think my suspicion that he fabricated some tale tales for his fellow buddies at the CoCC and painted himself into a corner appear to be more likely to be true. If Adams had any evidence to back up his claims I believe he would have already produced it. His 15 minutes of fame are probably over. WND might recycle an article or two but that will be the end of it.

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2010 at 9:25 pm #

    Reality Check: Most internet access from companies and governments is limited to some extent. Almost every large scale organization installs filter to stop access to pornography. Many block access to social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace. I thought Adams’ claim that somehow “unfettered Internet access” lent credibility to his claims about Obama’s birth location was silly. If that were true we could all access the same sites from home.

    I had always understood this comment from Adams as a claim about how important he was within the organization (as his “level” was minimized by some commenters) and not related to anything he could have found out about Barack Obama on the Internet.

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    Reality Check July 26, 2010 at 10:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I had always understood this comment from Adams as a claim about how important he was within the organization (as his “level” was minimized by some commenters) and not related to anything he could have found out about Barack Obama on the Internet.

    You may be correct. His statements are so poorly formed and inconsistent that it is hard to follow exactly what he meant by this statement. Even if you are correct it fits a pattern of self aggrandizement that Adams has demonstrated. He bragged about access to government databasis including “NCIS” so he seemed to throw this in to support his claim that he could access almost anything. Of course, he missed a golden opportunity to explain all of this didn’t he?

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    Keith July 27, 2010 at 1:30 am #

    Reality Check: He bragged about access to government databasis including “NCIS”…

    Where did he say this? If he did it is the smoking gun that paints him as a bald faced liar.

    NCIS is a TV show.

    If he meant NCIC, then it would be absolutely illegal for him to have NCIC access. NCIC is available to member Law Enforcement Agencies only, and then only for ‘official’ law enforcement duties.

    There is ZERO possibility that the Voter Registration Office would have access to NCIC. Nil. Nada.

    There is ZERO information in the NCIC relating to the existence of Hawai’ian (or any other state) birth records.

    For details of what is on NCIC you review here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm or here: http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/ncic_brochure.htm

    It is also possible that Adams was referring to NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) : http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm “Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms or explosives.”

    I can conceive of the Elections department using NICS. Hawai’ian law requires that to register to vote you must “not be in jail for a felony conviction” ( http://usgovinfo.about.com/blvrbystate.htm ). But again there is ZERO information about birth certificates on NICS. .

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    Majority Will July 27, 2010 at 5:30 pm #

    Keith:
    Where did he say this? If he did it is the smoking gun that paints him as a bald faced liar.
    NCIS is a TV show.
    If he meant NCIC, then it would be absolutely illegal for him to have NCIC access. NCIC is available to member Law Enforcement Agencies only, and then only for official’ law enforcement duties.There is ZERO possibility that the Voter Registration Office would have access to NCIC. Nil. Nada.There is ZERO information in the NCIC relating to the existence of Hawai’ian (or any other state) birth records.For details of what is on NCIC you review here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm or here: http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/ncic_brochure.htmIt is also possible that Adams was referring to NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) : http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm“Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms or explosives.”I can conceive of the Elections department using NICS. Hawai’ian law requires that to register to vote you must “not be in jail for a felony conviction” ( http://usgovinfo.about.com/blvrbystate.htm ). But again there is ZERO information about birth certificates on NICS. .

    Or Timmy is just obsessed with Mark Harmon? You never know.

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    Reality Check July 27, 2010 at 6:22 pm #

    Keith: Where did he say this? If he did it is the smoking gun that paints him as a bald faced liar.

    Adams said this on his initial interview with James Edwards on The Political Cesspool at the CoCC meeting in Nashville. Go to this link and listen at 05:43 http://libertynewsradio.com/shows/tpc/tpc20100605c.mp3 He says “I had access to all the usual government databases used to verify voter registration identity, NCIS, social security…” Just earlier in the same segment he lies and says he was the chief elections clerk for Honolulu.