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I think I had a string of pretty good articles there, but nothing worth writing about is coming to mind to follow them. There are a few things going on. We have the Walter Fitzpatrick III arraignment transcript [thanks, Rickey]. Some candidates for office mention the birth certificate thing. Sharon Meroni is trying to blackmail candidates in Illinois to cough up their birth certificates. I learned that my brother-in-law is a birther today. Orly Taiz claims she’s going to appeal her sanctions to the US Supreme Court. Nothing  worth an article.

So I wrote this so that if someone wants to say something it won’t accumulate on the other articles and make those pages too slow to display.

While I’ve had nothing to write, I’ve been doing maintenance on the blog. The FAQ has been reformatted. The Docket has been updated. A big project has been the refactoring of the menu system. There are fewer menus up top, and some items have been consolidated. I added my first off-site menu link under the docket to the Birther Scorecard. I’ve add some other bookmark items.

I was really disappointed by the discussion over IP addresses and sock puppets that just occurred under the Oh No! thread (it’s been moved, by the way, to the Great Mother of All Off-Topic Comment Dumps topic). By the way, under the new blog setup, you can’t comment on things in the Dump.

What went wrong in that discussion thread was that some folks here based an argument on information they really didn’t have. They jumped to the conclusion that I had observed the same IP addresses from  several screen names. The ensuing argument was between one person who said a logically true statement designed to mislead, that all the messages didn’t come from the same computer,  and others trying to defend the conclusion jumped to. Then I saw stuff about 97% and 1:10,000 odds and I thought we’d started talking about Obama’s legal fees again. The quality of information about computer networks was spotty in places. The result was a huge argument: misleading v. uninformed, that devolved into a pissing match.

86 Responses to Writers block

  1. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2010 at 12:18 am #

    Sorry for that Doc. Just been annoyed by the amount of trolling here lately.

  2. avatar
    nc1 July 12, 2010 at 3:59 am #

    Dr. C,

    You could write about Hector Maldonado, a GOP candidate in a race for US Senate seat from Missouri.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=176325

    Maldonado said he asked Carnahan’s office if his citizenship documentation would be public record and available to anyone who wants a copy.

    “They said, oh yes, absolutely, anyone that wants proof, we have it,” he explained. “I said, OK, can you do me a favor then? I’m sure Ms. Carnahan requested the same of Barack Obama when he petitioned to get on the Missouri ballot to become president.”

    He added, “They had no response. They had nothing.”

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    misha July 12, 2010 at 5:56 am #

    You could write about the rumors on the internet, that barnyard animals become skittish when Joseph Farah and Joe Kovacs are near.

    You could write about the meme that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

    I’m sure these are not true, but why haven’t any of them issued a written denial? Why has Glenn Beck refused to release his criminal record abstract? I’m sure it would be stamped “subject has clear record to date,” so why doesn’t he show it to me?

    Unless they all have something to hide. Like Beck claims he is recovered from alcoholism and being a junkie. Or has he? He sure talks like someone who is battling demons.

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    Dave July 12, 2010 at 7:47 am #

    nc1: Dr. C,You could write about Hector Maldonado, a GOP candidate in a race for US Senate seat from Missouri.

    There might be something interesting in this story. Thinkprogress mentions an interview in which Maldonado says:

    I brought all this documentation…and I asked, is that a public record, now? … And they said, oh yes, absolutely, anyone who wants proof, we have it.

    Thinkprogress has the video. I took a look around the Missouri SoS website and found that they do require proof of identity, for which a MO driver’s license will do. That is the only “documentation” Maldonado would have had to provide. And I can find no sign that a copy of anyone’s proof of identity becomes part of the public record.

    By the way Maldonado has had lots of unkind thinks to say about Roy Blunt, who he will certainly lose to in the primary.

  5. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 8:50 am #

    Ditto on the apology. Feeding trolls never amounts to anything.

  6. avatar
    Arthur July 12, 2010 at 8:58 am #

    Dr. C.: Could you add an internet dating option to your website? I believe that romantic partners should have at least one shared obsession, and I would like to meet a woman who is passionately obsessive about debunking Obama conspiracy theories.

    Thank you.

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    Domokun July 12, 2010 at 9:50 am #

    I’d think finding your brother-in-law being a birther would be interesting for a note, however I’m guessing he’s just not a very interesting guy in the first place. Still…family member gone off the deep end’s always good for a moment.

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    Ellid July 12, 2010 at 10:10 am #

    nc1: Dr. C,You could write about Hector Maldonado, a GOP candidate in a race for US Senate seat from Missouri.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=176325Maldonado said he asked Carnahan’s office if his citizenship documentation would be public record and available to anyone who wants a copy.
    “They said, oh yes, absolutely, anyone that wants proof, we have it,” he explained. “I said, OK, can you do me a favor then? I’m sure Ms. Carnahan requested the same of Barack Obama when he petitioned to get on the Missouri ballot to become president.”
    He added, “They had no response. They had nothing.”

    That’s because the President was born in this country and has no naturalization papers. One would think that you’d know that by now since you’ve been told at least a hundred times, but noooo…….

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    Ellid July 12, 2010 at 10:11 am #

    Arthur: Dr. C.: Could you add an internet dating option to your website? I believe that romantic partners should have at least one shared obsession, and I would like to meet a woman who is passionately obsessive about debunking Obama conspiracy theories.
    Thank you.

    *raises hand*

    Where do you live?

  10. avatar
    Dave July 12, 2010 at 10:29 am #

    Ellid:
    That’s because the President was born in this country and has no naturalization papers.

    Just wanted to point out that the Missouri SoS website states what documentation is necessary for a SoS candidate to get on the ballot — you need to present proof of identity, such as a MO driver’s license. It says nothing about having to prove citizenship, or about naturalization papers.

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    Sef July 12, 2010 at 11:05 am #

    Dave:
    Just wanted to point out that the Missouri SoS website states what documentation is necessary for a SoS candidate to get on the ballot — you need to present proof of identity, such as a MO driver’s license. It says nothing about having to prove citizenship, or about naturalization papers.

    MO is one of the states (http://www.casp.net/statutes/menstate.html) with an anti-SLAPP law. Maybe it can be used.

  12. avatar
    Lupin July 12, 2010 at 12:00 pm #

    http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/05/when-science-clashes-with-belief-make-science-impotent.ars

    John Timmer has written up a paper on the tactics people use to avoid scientific conclusions. When science doesn’t feed your biases, reject science. I think many of us here might find it interesting. Go read the whole piece.

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    sfjeff July 12, 2010 at 12:17 pm #

    I haven’t been able to find anything posted by the Missouri Secretary of State confirming that they asked for the documents Maldonado says he provided. I haven’t found a news article confirming anything about it.

    Is there any evidence that this happened other than Maldonado trying to get some coverage with WND?

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    Rickey July 12, 2010 at 12:25 pm #

    sfjeff I haven’t been able to find anything posted by the Missouri Secretary of State confirming that they asked for the documents Maldonado says he provided. I haven’t found a news article confirming anything about it.
    Is there any evidence that this happened other than Maldonado trying to get some coverage with WND?

    I don’t know about that, but he actually said that the votes which Obama received in Missouri should be “taken back.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/07/maldonado-birther/

    Constitutional issues aside, I’m wondering what he thinks that would accomplish, since Obama didn’t carry Missouri.

  15. avatar
    euphgeek July 12, 2010 at 12:29 pm #

    I’ve been noticing lately that the birther movement has been sort of sputtering to a halt. Sure, there are still websites out there that promote it (WND, FreeRepublic) and lawyers are still filing lawsuits here and there, but for the most part people seem to have moved on. There are few news stories about them and even fewer sites where one can actually argue with nirthers. And the nirthers that do show up are pretty lackadaisical. I wonder if they’re just taking the summer off so that they can really cut loose in the fall elections or if they’re just waiting until 2012 to bring it up again?

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    yguy July 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm #

    Ellid:

    Maldonado said he asked Carnahan’s office if his citizenship documentation would be public record and available to anyone who wants a copy.
    “They said, oh yes, absolutely, anyone that wants proof, we have it,” he explained. “I said, OK, can you do me a favor then? I’m sure Ms. Carnahan requested the same of Barack Obama when he petitioned to get on the Missouri ballot to become president.”
    He added, “They had no response. They had nothing.”

    That’s because the President was born in this country and has no naturalization papers.

    So let me get this straight: because Obama was born in this country and has no naturalization papers, his citizenship documentation is not available to the public, whereas Maldonado’s will be because he is foreign born. Have I got that right?

  17. avatar
    Jules July 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm #

    In the event that Sharon Maroni’s efforts or changes in state law make proof of citizenship routine for candidates for public office, the birthers will nevertheless be disappointed to find that long-form birth certificates will not become a universal requirement.

    I have no plans to run for public office in the United States or in the country where I now live. However, if I wanted to move back to the US and run for office, I would be capable of showing any of the following as evidence of my US citizenship:
    1. My US passport
    2. My US passport card
    3. My Certification of Birth (a.k.a. short-form birth certificate) issued in New York

    Any one of those documents would prove that I am a natural born citizen of the United States, though none is a long-form certificate with such exciting trivia as the name of the hospital in which I was born.

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    Dave July 12, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    yguy:
    That’s because the President was born in this country and has no naturalization papers.

    So let me get this straight: because Obama was born in this country and has no naturalization papers, his citizenship documentation is not available to the public, whereas Maldonado’s will be because he is foreign born. Have I got that right?

    Oh, please. As you know perfectly well, the President’s “citizenship documentation” is his birth certificate, just like for all of us US citizens. We’ve all seen pictures of it, we’ve read reporters accounts of examining it.

    And as I noted in a previous comment, Maldonado’s statements are inconsistent with what anyone can read on the Missouri SoS website — it seems unlikely that he was required to show his citizenship papers, and more unlikely that they are not a public record.

    Tell you what, how about before repeating this again, you go find the MO SoS website where we can look at Maldonado’s naturalization papers. I can’t find it, I suspect there is no such site, and I think we can safely conclude that he was just plain making it up.

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    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 1:10 pm #

    “citizenship documentation is not available to the public”

    It wasn’t required but it is available to the public.

    Here’s one place:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    Enjoy.

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    kimba July 12, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    “In the event that Sharon Maroni’s efforts or changes in state law make proof of citizenship routine for candidates for public office, the birthers will nevertheless be disappointed to find that long-form birth certificates will not become a universal requirement.”

    I think the ultimate goal is to have a definition of natural born citizen incorporated into the law.

    Meroni will not succeed in changing Illinois law by way of court action. Ms Meroni needs to gird her loins and slog into the world of legislation. But you don’t get your name in the papers by rolling up your sleeves and working to get legislation passed. You get your name in the papers by filing false objections against every non-major-party candidate for the ballot in your state.

  21. avatar
    Dave July 12, 2010 at 1:19 pm #

    Since it’s a slow news day, here’s a convenient list Taitz has posted of all the crimes the President has committed:

    1. Social Security
    2. original birth certificate from Kapiolani
    3. intimidation, harassment and sanctions against me
    4. intimidation and harassment of voters by Black Panters
    5. intimidation and harassment of Hillary delegates
    6.threat of sanctions and intimidation by the courts of attorney John Hemenway
    7. threat of sanctions and intimidation of attorney Mario Apuzzo
    8. wrongful incarceration of attorney Richard Fine
    9. massive voter registration fraud by Acorn
    10 massive cyber crimes
    11. Soros poster girls Secretaries of state acting with total dereliction of duties
    12. lifelong Democrats running as newly minted Republican for the positions of Secretaries of State in order to continue the cover up …

    Some of these items were not familiar to me. Item 5 had me stumped, but then Taitz had a note about a “documentary” directed by Gigi Gaston and produced by Bettina Viviano, two Taitz supporters (which has apparently been on youtube for a year but I hadn’t heard of before) which alleges that Obama won the Democratic nomination by widespread voter intimidation. Item 8, Richard Fine, is an interesting one, because it has nothing to do with birthers, Taitz, the Tea Party, or anything. Richard Fine is a lawyer who has been held in jail for a long time for contempt of court for his continued refusal to comply with a judge’s order related to sanctions. Fine gives interviews where he paints himself as a huge victim and martyr, but apparently he can walk any day he just complies with the judge’s order. I guess Taitz identifies with him — but it’s quite unclear what Obama has to do with Richard Fine. Item 10 I suppose is the President’s clear responsibility for Taitz’s computer troubles.

  22. avatar
    sfjeff July 12, 2010 at 1:22 pm #

    Majority- how dare you quote Factcheck. Everyone- well all birthers- know that it is merely a cover organization for the Chicago Machine.

    We should instead focus upon Maldonado’s plight- as reported by him, confirmed by no one else, and reported by the beacon of truth- WND.

  23. avatar
    yguy July 12, 2010 at 1:41 pm #

    Dave:
    Oh, please. As you know perfectly well, the President’s “citizenship documentation” is his birth certificate, just like for all of us US citizens.

    That does not explain the reticence of the MO official as represented by Maldonado.

    Maldonado’s statements are inconsistent with what anyone can read on the Missouri SoS website

    Then post it.

  24. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    Dave: Since it’s a slow news day, here’s a convenient list Taitz has posted of all the crimes the President has committed:
    Some of these items were not familiar to me. Item 5 had me stumped, but then Taitz had a note about a “documentary” directed by Gigi Gaston and produced by Bettina Viviano, two Taitz supporters (which has apparently been on youtube for a year but I hadn’t heard of before) which alleges that Obama won the Democratic nomination by widespread voter intimidation. Item 8, Richard Fine, is an interesting one, because it has nothing to do with birthers, Taitz, the Tea Party, or anything. Richard Fine is a lawyer who has been held in jail for a long time for contempt of court for his continued refusal to comply with a judge’s order related to sanctions. Fine gives interviews where he paints himself as a huge victim and martyr, but apparently he can walk any day he just complies with the judge’s order. I guess Taitz identifies with him — but it’s quite unclear what Obama has to do with Richard Fine. Item 10 I suppose is the President’s clear responsibility for Taitz’s computer troubles.

    Oily must have been passed out the day the teacher explained Separation of Powers.

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    Dave July 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm #

    yguy:
    That does not explain the reticence of the MO official as represented by Maldonado.

    I don’t know what reticence you’re talking about, so I don’t know how to explain it. But I’m glad you have noticed that the only source for Maldonado’s story is Maldonado.

    I guess what you want me to post is a link to the MO SoS website. Here you go: Candidate Filing Information. You might want to read “Documents Needed for Filing”. Note the absence of any mention of naturalization papers. Note the absence of any suggestion that the documents become public records. Note that you can’t show me a MO SoS website that displays any of these documents for any candidate.

    I’m not suggesting this is proof that Maldonado is lying. I haven’t actually contacted the MO SoS office to ask if anyone needs to present naturalization papers, or if the presented documents become public records. Nor am I likely to, but if you’d like to, by all means please do.

  26. avatar
    Slartibartfast July 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm #

    Dave:
    1. Social Security

    And here I thought FDR committed social security…

    2. original birth certificate from Kapiolani

    What is the crime here? Forging a BC? Not having a BC from Kapiolani? Oh, I know: Not showing an original BC from Kapiolani to Orly!

    3. intimidation, harassment and sanctions against me

    I’m sure she must have incontrovertible evidence that President Obama did all of those nasty things to her…

    4. intimidation and harassment of voters by Black Panters

    Since they are BLACK panthers, they must have been working on President Obama’s direct orders, I guess…

    5. intimidation and harassment of Hillary delegates

    Is Orly trying to woo the PUMA faction of the birthers?

    6.threat of sanctions and intimidation by the courts of attorney John Hemenway

    She’s probably just sore that she’s the only one who’s actually been sanctioned… so far.

    7. threat of sanctions and intimidation of attorney Mario Apuzzo

    I wonder if she’s giving Mario any advice on how to respond to his order to show cause…

    8. wrongful incarceration of attorney Richard Fine

    This seems dada-esque even for Orly.

    9. massive voter registration fraud by Acorn

    So the ‘massive’ voter registration fraud committed by employees of ACORN in order to defraud ACORN is President Obama’s fault… Okay.

    10 massive cyber crimes

    Sounds like the name of a cyberpunk band.

    11. Soros poster girls Secretaries of state acting with total dereliction of duties

    I wish that George Soros had half the power that the wingnuts fear he has.

    12. lifelong Democrats running as newly minted Republican for the positions of Secretaries of State in order to continue the cover up …

    The theory here being that anyone who has every been a member of the Democratic party (or voted Democratic, probably) is clearly an Obot stooge, I guess…

    Thanks for the list, Dave.

  27. avatar
    sfjeff July 12, 2010 at 2:49 pm #

    “I’m not suggesting this is proof that Maldonado is lying.”

    Do we even have confirmation that Maldonado even said these things? He doesn’t make these statements on his campaign web site. All we have is what WND has ‘reported’ which is not exactly much I would rely upon.

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    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

    sfjeff: “I’m not suggesting this is proof that Maldonado is lying.”Do we even have confirmation that Maldonado even said these things? He doesn’t make these statements on his campaign web site. All we have is what WND has reported’ which is not exactly much I would rely upon.

    During an interview Saturday, Maldonado — who is a Mexican-born naturalized citizen — repeatedly expressed doubts about President Obama’s citizenship, saying Obama “got away” with running without proving his citizenship, and that the president’s votes should “taken back”:

    MALDONALDO: [Secretary of State Robin Carnahan] sent me a letter, and I ignored, it said, you have to prove you’re a citizen. I ignored it. You know, Obama got away with it, so I figured I could get away with it too. … I brought all this documentation…and I asked, is that a public record, now? … And they said, oh yes, absolutely, anyone who wants proof, we have it. I said, okay, can you do me a favor then, I’m sure Ms. Carnahan requested the same of Barack Obama when he petitioned to get on the Missiouri’s ballot to become president. They had no response, nothing.

    I was going to picket when Mr. Obama coming into town to raise money for Ms. Carnahan. And I was going to…put up a big sign, telepromter, read here Mr. Obama, Ms. Carnahan, where’s his proof of U.S. citizenship?‘But I decided something different. I’m actually considering suing Ms. Robin Carnahan, because she discriminated against me. And she actually has said her job is to protect Missouri against fraud and corruption, but the fraud that she created is if she did not make Mr. Obama show proof of citizenship when he petitioned to get on the Missouri ballot. So therefore, the votes that he got from Missouri…should be taken back. And hopefully, other states do the same thing and sue Ms. Carnahan and their other secretaries of states, and sooner or later he’s going to have to prove, based on our demand, that he is in fact a U.S. born citizen.

    (Above contains excerpts. Link has complete interview with YouTube video of Maldonado.)

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/07/maldonado-birther/

  29. avatar
    Dave July 12, 2010 at 3:18 pm #

    sfjeff: Do we even have confirmation that Maldonado even said these things?

    If you go way up these comments, there’s a comment of mine where I give a link to a thinkprogress article. That article links to a video of an interview with Maldonado. Here I must confess that I am so lazy I did not actually view the video, but the article says Maldonado makes these statements in the interview. So you could watch the video and check it out.

  30. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 3:24 pm #

    Dave: Here I must confess that I am so lazy I did not actually view the video, but the article says Maldonado makes these statements in the interview. So you could watch the video and check it out.

    I did. He does. And more.

    Here’s a larger view on YouTube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm6ig4uTWPI&feature=player_embedded

  31. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 3:28 pm #

    Here’s more on Moldanado from Fired Up Missouri:

    GOP Senate candidate Hector Maldonado made a strong move this weekend to shore up the birther vote in the August primary. In the clip, you’ll see Maldonado explain how he thinks his rights were violated when the Secretary of State’s office asked for proof of U.S. citizenship when he filed to run for the Senate.

    While Roy Blunt has openly flirted with the birthers — even accusing the Missouri press of being incapable of covering the issue — Maldonado is the only candidate for U.S. Senate (to my knowledge) who is talking about filing a new birther lawsuit before the August primary.

    Though this revelation says a lot about Maldonado’s grasp on reality, it hardly places him outside the mainstream of the Missouri Republican Party. In addition to Blunt, Rep. Tim Jones, Rep. Cynthia Davis, Rep. Ed Emery and Rep. Casey Guernsey have all publicly questioned Barack Obama’s citizenship, months or years after the relevant questions had been addressed. In addition, Rep. Robert Cooper and 15 of his House colleagues sponsored legislation last year addressing the concerns Maldonado raised in the clip above, hoping to have the Missouri SOS conduct a new investigation of Barry Soetoro’s Kenyan birth.

    http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/so-gop-senate-candidate-hector-maldonado-birther

  32. avatar
    sfjeff July 12, 2010 at 3:57 pm #

    First of all- how do we know that is really Maldonado making that video? After all, its only an image on the internet. Perhaps it was all faked….

    Oh I am sorry- even i can’t go on with Birther blather too long. Based upon that video, a reasonable person would likely assume that Maldonado did indeed make those statements. Of course my favorite is how our laws are based upon God’s laws.

    Anyway, if proof of citizenship in Missouri is part of the public record, shouldn’t be any problem for a Maldonado supporter to provide us with the link, or show how they went to the SOS to view the citizenship records of Maldonado and others.

    Finally there were a lot of ‘was going to’ and ‘thinking of’ and not much actual action there. But lets stay tuned, it sounds like it will be a good time.

  33. avatar
    Dave July 12, 2010 at 4:02 pm #

    That Fired Up Missouri article links to an article at at blog called jbjd, Sleight of Hand in the “Show Me” State, which calls BS on Maldonado’s statements. Interestingly, jbjd appears to be a birther blog. The main issue this article takes is that in the interview Maldonado says he got two letters from the SoS demanding that he prove citizenship — but he has not shown these letters.

    Nice to see a birther site that has some interest in consistency, as opposed to believing everyone that seems to be agreeing with them.

  34. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 12, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    How about Lakin, Doc? I thought something was supposed to be happening this month but haven’t heard anything lately.

  35. avatar
    Slartibartfast July 12, 2010 at 4:18 pm #

    Dave: That Fired Up Missouri article links to an article at at blog called jbjd, Sleight of Hand in the “Show Me” State, which calls BS on Maldonado’s statements. Interestingly, jbjd appears to be a birther blog. The main issue this article takes is that in the interview Maldonado says he got two letters from the SoS demanding that he prove citizenship — but he has not shown these letters.Nice to see a birther site that has some interest in consistency, as opposed to believing everyone that seems to be agreeing with them.

    JBJD is part of the PUMA wing of the birthers. She is apparently a lawyer and seems to believe that the Democratic party officials that attested to President Obama’s eligibility (to the Secretaries of the several states) were committing fraud and that this is the appropriate avenue to unseating the usurper. I don’t know if she thinks that this will result in the president’s ouster in some way or just prevent his inclusion on the ballot in 2012.

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    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 4:45 pm #

    Dave: Nice to see a birther site that has some interest in consistency, as opposed to believing everyone that seems to be agreeing with them.

    Or perhaps they despise and fear naturalized Mexican Americans.

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    Sharshar July 12, 2010 at 4:59 pm #

    How about an article about Republicans running in states like Maryland that seem to be birthers? Bob Ehlich who is running for governor of MD seems to be one. Check

    http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=I0JVVZszsd0&feature=related

    at about the .50 mark.

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    Expelliarmus July 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm #

    Dave: I guess what you want me to post is a link to the MO SoS website. Here you go: Candidate Filing Information. You might want to read “Documents Needed for Filing”. Note the absence of any mention of naturalization papers

    There’s an easy enough explanation. A SOS typically requests additional info from a candidate in circumstances where the initial submission is inadequate. Only US Citizens can run for US Senate, but Maldonado was born in Mexico. Perhaps he submitted a document — such as a copy of his Mexican birth certificate — that was not sufficient to prove citizenship. Perhaps the letter from the SOS specifically refers to that fact. Something along the lines of: “Dear Candidate Maldonado, we see by your paperwork that you were born in Mexico. To be a US Senator you must be a US Citizen for 9 years. Can you send us something that proves that you have been a citizen that long?”

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    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm #

    Sharshar: How about an article about Republicans running in states like Maryland that seem to be birthers?Bob Ehlich who is running for governor of MD seems to be one.Checkhttp://il.youtube.com/watch?v=I0JVVZszsd0&feature=relatedat about the .50 mark.

    Birther John Oxendine (R) in Georgia running for Governor.

    http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/06/05/john-oxendine-birther/

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    Expelliarmus: Perhaps the letter from the SOS specifically refers to that fact. Something along the lines of: “Dear Candidate Maldonado, we see by your paperwork that you were born in Mexico. To be a US Senator you must be a US Citizen for 9 years. Can you send us something that proves that you have been a citizen that long?”

    I’ve been reading state election law for various states. There is little on eligibility and very little on eligibility for president and vice president. So far what I see is that the states rely on political parties to certify eligibility or on self-certification in the case of independent candidates. In one state (I think it was Louisiana) I saw an expedited process for the adjudication of challenges to eligibility. So far, I know specifically of two states that have denied candidates for president a place on the ballot because of eligibility (Hawaii and California).

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    Dick Whitman July 12, 2010 at 5:43 pm #

    Vitter: I Support Birther Lawsuits (VIDEO)

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/vitter-i-support-birther-lawsuits-video.php

    “I know all the information I’ve been able to get my hands on through the media. But obviously with the mainstream media as a filter, that’s not a whole lot. I personally don’t have standing to bring litigation in court. But I support conservative legal organizations and others who would bring that to court.”

    Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)

  42. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 12, 2010 at 5:50 pm #

    Maldonado: I said, okay, can you do me a favor then, I’m sure Ms. Carnahan requested the same of Barack Obama when he petitioned to get on the Missiouri’s ballot to become president. They had no response, nothing.

    This makes great theater, but does anyone think this really happened that way? Is it credible that the Secretary of State just sat there open mouthed and said nothing? I think not.

  43. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    This makes great theater, but does anyone think this really happened that way? Is it credible that the Secretary of State just sat there open mouthed and said nothing? I think not.

    “They had no response” could easily mean they politely informed him that it’s “Nunya.”

  44. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 6:24 pm #

    “Writer’s Block”

    I had to write a term paper in college for a psychology class on possible and probable physiological causes and consequences of writer’s block.

    I struggled for several days to figure out how I was going to write this paper. And where to even start?

    And then when the (what should have been obvious) irony hit me I had a bigger problem trying to stop laughing.

  45. avatar
    misha July 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm #

    Majority Will: “Writer’s Block”I had to write a term paper in college for a psychology class on possible and probable physiological causes and consequences of writer’s block.I struggled for several days to figure out how I was going to write this paper. And where to even start?

    Well, you could start here: http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-can-write-600-words-about-anything,11205/

  46. avatar
    Dave July 12, 2010 at 7:09 pm #

    Dick Whitman: Vitter: I Support Birther Lawsuits (VIDEO)

    That’s interesting — but what is more interesting is what nobody at his town hall meeting asked him. Like, if this is an important issue, then why hasn’t he called for a Congressional investigation. And why the heck is he whining about the mainstream media — how hard is it to do a little googling and find people who would love to explain this issue to a Senator. You’d think anyone would be insulted by this lukewarm lip service followed by a lame excuse. So I’m wondering — are you insulted?

  47. avatar
    Arthur July 12, 2010 at 7:40 pm #

    Ellid:
    *raises hand*Where do you live?

    ellid, (or maybe Elly D.?)

    I was hoping you’d raise your hand! Your tireless pursuit of Border Raven won my admiration, and your authoritative way with words won my respect. When, on a different site, you revealed you were female, you won my interest. Now all that remains to be won over is my heart.

    I live in Iowa, but the world is my oyster–you do like oysters, don’t you? Anyway, I’m eager to relocate. Give me a reason to slip the corny bonds that keep my planted in this hawk-eyed state and I’ll wing my way to you.

    Do not sleep but let me hear from you.

  48. avatar
    Dick Whitman July 12, 2010 at 7:56 pm #

    Dave:
    That’s interesting — but what is more interesting is what nobody at his town hall meeting asked him. Like, if this is an important issue, then why hasn’t he called for a Congressional investigation. And why the heck is he whining about the mainstream media — how hard is it to do a little googling and find people who would love to explain this issue to a Senator. You’d think anyone would be insulted by this lukewarm lip service followed by a lame excuse. So I’m wondering — are you insulted?

    I’m cynical. I don’t think Vitter would bother to mention the birther lawsuits if he didn’t know something was about to break.

    Who knows?

    Stanley Ann’s Certificate of Loss of Nationality.

    Lakin’s subpoena request for Dr. Fukino to testify with all of Barack’s birth records.

    Justice Thomas granting Orly’s request …

    Wherefore the appellant respectfully requests:

    1. stay and reversal of sanctions wrongfully assessed against her by Judge Clay D. Land

    2. rule 11 limited discovery of Mr. Obama’ s vital records, to show that the legal action, for which Taitz was sanctioned was justified

  49. avatar
    misha July 12, 2010 at 7:57 pm #

    Arthur: I live in Iowa, but the world is my oyster–you do like oysters, don’t you?

    Well, I’m going to stick my nose in this. Oysters? Feh. Kashrut prevents me from partaking.

    Iowa – believe it or not, this Jewish boy with two degrees, drove for CRST of Cedar Rapids, for one year.

  50. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    misha:
    Well, you could start here:http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-can-write-600-words-about-anything,11205/

    Thanks. You’re such a mensch!

  51. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm #

    misha: Here’s another start:http://www.theonion.com/articles/are-your-cats-old-enough-to-learn-about-jesus,11206/

    My cup runneth over! Dayenu!

  52. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm #

    Dick Whitman:
    I’m cynical. I don’t think Vitter would bother to mention the birther lawsuits if he didn’t know something was about to break.Who knows?
    Stanley Ann’s Certificate of Loss of Nationality.Lakin’s subpoena request for Dr. Fukino to testify with all of Barack’s birth records.Justice Thomas granting Orly’s request …

    It’s more likely there were Not Enough Hugs as a Child.

  53. avatar
    misha July 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm #

    Majority Will: It’s more likely there were Not Enough Hugs as a Child.

    Clearly, there are several serious issues here. I’d say manic depression is a start.

  54. avatar
    Expelliarmus July 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I’ve been reading state election law for various states. There is little on eligibility and very little on eligibility for president and vice president. So far what I see is that the states rely on political parties to certify eligibility or on self-certification in the case of independent candidates.

    But we know from the Missouri SOS web site that they require proof of identity, and that they list the requirements (including 9 years’ citizenship) for candidacy on their site.

    Maldonado would have been able to submit material by mail, rather than personally, because he apparently was active duty military at the time of submission. If he opted to send in a copy of his Mexican birth certificate, that would be paperwork suggesting that he was ineligible.

    The reason you might not be aware of what the states do to screen for eligiblity is that in most case there is unlikely to be litigation. If my 22-year-old kid decides to run for Congress, and submits a birth certificate or other form of ID bearing the 1988 year of birth — its quite possible that someone would note that the minimum age to run for Congress is 25 and kick back the paper work, as being insufficient on its face to establish eligiblity.

    The screening of candidates for national office might be very different than candidates for state and local elections — after all, it isn’t up to the MO SOS to decide whether someone is qualified to be President of all the United States — but it certainly is MO business to figure out who is qualified to represent the State of Missouri in Congress.

    It’s also a very different process to investigate or question the bona fides of a submission that appear to demonstrate eligiblity, than to respond to paperwork that shows a facial deficiency – as with a submission from my 22 year old kid (who, I might note, is probably far more intelligent and capable than many people who currently serve in Congress, despite the disability of not having existed on this planet long enough to meet the minimum qualifications).

    If Maldonado submitted paperwork that showed, on its face, than he was born in Mexico — then that would suggest that he might not be a US Citizen — and give reason for further inquiry — hence the reason for inquiry.

  55. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm #

    Dick Whitman:
    I’m cynical. I don’t think Vitter would bother to mention the birther lawsuits if he didn’t know something was about to break.Who knows?
    Stanley Ann’s Certificate of Loss of Nationality.
    ——————————-
    Just more wishful thinking for something that doesn’t exist, and even if it did, it has nothing to do with the president’s citizenship BECAUSE HE WAS BORN HERE, AND THAT MAKES HIM A CITIZEN REGARDLESS.
    ———————————————————-
    Lakin’s subpoena request for Dr. Fukino to testify with all of Barack’s birth records.
    That was already denied; not gonna happen
    ————————————————————————
    Justice Thomas granting Orly’s request …
    ROFLMAO!!!!!

  56. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 12, 2010 at 9:31 pm #

    Vitters is a desperate man these days. No doubt, he’s doing whatever he can to take the spotlight off of himself, even if it means subscribing to nutty conspiracy theories about the president

  57. avatar
    Dave July 12, 2010 at 9:35 pm #

    Dick Whitman:
    I’m cynical. I don’t think Vitter would bother to mention the birther lawsuits if he didn’t know something was about to break.Who knows?

    I don’t think I’d call that “cynical,” it’s more like “unreasonably optimistic.” You think Vitter, who is making excuses why he doesn’t know anything about birthers’ issues, has advance notice on some secret birther breakthrough? Face facts, Vitter doesn’t know anything about birthers because he doesn’t give a rat’s ass, he just wants them to vote for him and shut up.

    And you bring up Taitz’s application for stay. First, a stay would only mean that Taitz doesn’t have to pay the sanctions right now. Stays do not come with discovery, no matter what Taitz thinks. Thus a stay has nothing to do with the President’s eligibility. Second, if you read Taitz’s application for stay you will notice that she forgot to argue why the court should grant a stay. This makes it unlikely to be granted.

  58. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 12, 2010 at 9:37 pm #

    The Supreme Court has better things to do than listen to Taitz’s whining about her $20,000.00 fine, and she should be ashamed of taking up their time for such a stupid matter. Land was right, just like all the other judges who said she behaves badly when things don’t go her way. She’s damn lucky Carter didn’t file a complaint against her too. If they don’t pull her law license after the Supreme Court denies her, they’re just putting off the inevitable.

  59. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm #

    I hope they double her fine just for being a self-centered, self-absorbed, narcissistic moron

  60. avatar
    katahdin July 12, 2010 at 10:11 pm #

    yguy: So let me get this straight: because Obama was born in this country and has no naturalization papers, his citizenship documentation is not available to the public, whereas Maldonado’s will be because he is foreign born. Have I got that right?

    President Obama birth ceritificate is his citizenship documentation. That’s all a natural born citizen like the president needs to prove that he’s a citizen.

  61. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 12, 2010 at 10:44 pm #

    You can tell it’s slim pickin’s for birthers these days when they’re hanging their hopes on the Supreme Court hearing Tait’s foolish appeal of her fine. The only case of any consequence out there is Lieutenant Coward Lakin’s case, and he’s already been told that he cannot make the president’s eligibility an issue in his court martial.

  62. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 12, 2010 at 11:04 pm #

    Expelliarmus: The screening of candidates for national office might be very different than candidates for state and local elections — after all, it isn’t up to the MO SOS to decide whether someone is qualified to be President of all the United States — but it certainly is MO business to figure out who is qualified to represent the State of Missouri in Congress.

    I got a hint of that from Texas, who in their 2008 Candidates Guide specifies the eligibility requirements for Congress, but not for the president.

  63. avatar
    misha July 12, 2010 at 11:09 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: If they don’t pull her law license after the Supreme Court denies her, they’re just putting off the inevitable.

    I say she’s going to flee to Israel, when the marshals show up to seize her property. They can have her, along with Samuel Sheinbein, another crazy landsman:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/25/us/murder-suspect-who-fled-us-agrees-to-plea-bargain-in-israel.html

  64. avatar
    Arthur July 12, 2010 at 11:13 pm #

    misha:
    Well, I’m going to stick my nose in this. Oysters? Feh. Kashrut prevents me from partaking.Iowa – believe it or not, this Jewish boy with two degrees, drove for CRST of Cedar Rapids, for one year.

    Misha:

    I was referring, of course, to PRAIRIE oysters, so no law broken — unless the Mishnah has prohibitions against bull testicles.(Actually, I’ve never tried them–ick.) Were you studying ophthalmology in Cedar Rapids?

  65. avatar
    misha July 12, 2010 at 11:15 pm #

    Here’s one more story on Sheinbein. We produce crazies of the highest caliber:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/sept99/sheinbein2.htm

  66. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 11:22 pm #

    Arthur:
    Misha:
    I was referring, of course, to PRAIRIE oysters, so no law broken — unless the Mishnah has prohibitions against bull testicles.

    Only if you cover them in cheese. 😛

  67. avatar
    misha July 12, 2010 at 11:27 pm #

    Majority Will: Only if you cover them in cheese.

    (bada-bing)

  68. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 11:37 pm #

    misha:
    (bada-bing)

    Oy, gevalt!

  69. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2010 at 11:53 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Vitters is a desperate man these days. No doubt, he’s doing whatever he can to take the spotlight off of himself, even if it means subscribing to nutty conspiracy theories about the president

    Of course he is. He’s hoping that staff abuse scandal doesn’t gain any legs and now he’s having to fight off a last minute strong primary challenge

  70. avatar
    misha July 13, 2010 at 12:07 am #

    Arthur: Misha: Were you studying ophthalmology in Cedar Rapids?

    No.

    Long story, even longer: My first job out of college, I was working for someone who owned a chain of optical stores. Despite being the daughter of a rabbi, she had refrigerant for blood. My next job was working for a goniff – literally. He had a conviction for insurance fraud. He got off with a fine and community service. His community service? A bingo caller at the Jewish Center!! He was constantly chiseling on pay, and yelling that I did sell enough.

    I felt beleaguered and demoralized. I started looking at anything I could do, in the want ads. There was an ad from CRST, and I went there as a lark. To my surprise, she hired me on the spot. So I went to Kirkwood Community College in Cedar Rapids, and learned to drive a tractor-trailer – one credit hour for the course. I then drove long haul for a year.

    I met about five others who were Jewish, and met quite a few with degrees.

  71. avatar
    Majority Will July 13, 2010 at 12:11 am #

    Arthur:
    Misha:
    I was referring, of course, to PRAIRIE oysters, so no law broken — unless the Mishnah has prohibitions against bull testicles.(Actually, I’ve never tried them–ick.) Were you studying ophthalmology in Cedar Rapids?

    Such a romantic? Sorry, Ellid.

  72. avatar
    Saint James July 13, 2010 at 2:25 am #

    Dave: Item 8, Richard Fine, is an interesting one, because it has nothing to do with birthers, Taitz, the Tea Party, or anything.

    This has something to do with Orly’s relations with William Wagener who is a conspiracy theorist. It’s quid pro quo between Orly and William who is a strong advocate of Richard Fine. Here, please check his youtube videos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MYqCHHbWzY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRY3aMXXWKs&feature=related

    Dave: 12. lifelong Democrats running as newly minted Republican for the positions of Secretaries of State in order to continue the cover up …

    This pertains to Orly’s hatred for Mr. Dunn who defeated Orly in the Republican primary election for the Ca. SoS. She now spins this as Obama’s machination to cover up “something”! LOL

  73. avatar
    Arthur July 13, 2010 at 7:33 am #

    Majority Will:

    Hey . . . ! I thought you were going to be my wing man. Don’t listen to him Ellid–I am too romantic.

  74. avatar
    Ellid July 13, 2010 at 9:00 pm #

    yguy: Ellid

    As usual, wrong. Go back and learn to read, okay?

  75. avatar
    Ellid July 13, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

    Arthur: Ellid

    misha:
    Well, I’m going to stick my nose in this. Oysters? Feh. Kashrut prevents me from partaking.Iowa – believe it or not, this Jewish boy with two degrees, drove for CRST of Cedar Rapids, for one year.

    Alas, I’m in Massachusetts and am not all that fond of oysters…but I love a good baked scrod. I can’t wait till I’m allowed to eat normally (had surgery yesterday and am taking it very easy on the food front. Also, sitting down is not easy right now…) 🙂

  76. avatar
    misha July 13, 2010 at 9:11 pm #

    Ellid: I love a good baked scrod.

    There are two women on a US Airways flight to Boston.

    One turns to her seatmate and says, “I’m going to Boston to visit my neice and nephew.”
    The other replies, “I’m going to Boston to get scrod.”
    The first woman says, “I’ve never heard it put in the past pluperfect before.”

  77. avatar
    Majority Will July 13, 2010 at 9:34 pm #

    Ellid: Alas, I’m in Massachusetts and am not all that fond of oysters…but I love a good baked scrod.I can’t wait till I’m allowed to eat normally (had surgery yesterday and am taking it very easy on the food front.Also, sitting down is not easy right now…)

    Feel better soon, Ellid.

  78. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 13, 2010 at 11:40 pm #

    Here’s a new one Doc. Not birther related but an obama “conspiracy”.

    http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/today-gop-extremism-martin-says-obama-carnahan-will-take-away-freedom-find-lord

    Congressional Candidate Ed Martin is claiming President Obama and Mel Carnahan are trying to take away the people’s right to find the lord.

  79. avatar
    misha July 14, 2010 at 12:05 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Here’s a new one Doc. Not birther related but an obama “conspiracy”.Congressional Candidate Ed Martin is claiming President Obama and Mel Carnahan are trying to take away the people’s right to find the lord.

    It was also in TPM:
    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/gop-candidate-obama-and-carnahan-want-to-take-away-your-chance-to-find-the-lord-audio.php

  80. avatar
    Rickey July 14, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    Expelliarmus:
    The screening of candidates for national office might be very different than candidates for state and local elections — after all, it isn’t up to the MO SOS to decide whether someone is qualified to be President of all the United States — but it certainly is MO business to figure out who is qualified to represent the State of Missouri in Congress.

    You appear to have hit the nail on the head.

    The folks at the Oh For Goodness Sake blog have located the letter which was sent to Maldonado:

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=11490

    It appears that Missouri routinely checks its voter registration rolls to verify eligibility for statewide elections. However, when they checked on Maldonado they discovered that he had been registered to vote in Missouri only since 2008. Therefore, the voter registration records couldn’t confirm that he had been a U.S. citizen for at least nine years, Consequently, they asked Maldonado to provide proof that he is eligible.

    For presidential elections, they obviously rely upon the eligibility certifications which they receive from each party

  81. avatar
    Expelliarmus July 14, 2010 at 4:41 pm #

    Rickey: It appears that Missouri routinely checks its voter registration rolls to verify eligibility for statewide elections. However, when they checked on Maldonado they discovered that he had been registered to vote in Missouri only since 2008. Therefore, the voter registration records couldn’t confirm that he had been a U.S. citizen for at least nine years, Consequently, they asked Maldonado to provide proof that he is eligible.

    Note that they did not ask for any specific document — they asked for “proof of US citizenship, such as a copy of a birth certificate or a passport.” Basically any appropriate documentation would have been enough — no need for an original, long-form birth certificate for any candidate.

  82. avatar
    Dave July 14, 2010 at 7:54 pm #

    Rickey:
    The folks at the Oh For Goodness Sake blog have located the letter which was sent to Maldonado:

    Great. Maldonado also claimed that the SoS told him that the submitted documentation was a public record, and declined to show him Obama’s. Maybe Maldonado could release that letter too.

    Oh well, Maldonado’s a sideshow anyhow. He’ll beat Blunt for the nomination when pigs fly.

  83. avatar
    Majority Will July 14, 2010 at 9:07 pm #

    Rickey:
    You appear to have hit the nail on the head.The folks at the Oh For Goodness Sake blog have located the letter which was sent to Maldonado:http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=11490It appears that Missouri routinely checks its voter registration rolls to verify eligibility for statewide elections. However, when they checked on Maldonado they discovered that he had been registered to vote in Missouri only since 2008. Therefore, the voter registration records couldn’t confirm that he had been a U.S. citizen for at least nine years, Consequently, they asked Maldonado to provide proof that he is eligible.For presidential elections, they obviously rely upon the eligibility certifications which they receive from each party

    So, it was a desperate attempt for attention and a pathetic publicity stunt?

  84. avatar
    Rickey July 16, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    Orly gets smacked down again, this time in Liberi v. Taitz:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/34405414/LIBERI-v-TAITZ-et-al-133-ORDER-paed-15307961537

    ” All of Defendant Taitz’s other arguments are frivolous.”

  85. avatar
    Majority Will July 16, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    Rickey: Orly gets smacked down again, this time in Liberi v. Taitz:http://www.scribd.com/doc/34405414/LIBERI-v-TAITZ-et-al-133-ORDER-paed-15307961537” All of Defendant Taitz’s other arguments are frivolous.”

    Quelle surprise!