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Obama conspiracy theory topics please.

You might want to comment on Ron Polland’s fine job of cleaning up Stanley Ann Dunham’s birth certificate from the Strunk FOIA papers, and the “shocking revelation” that Grandma Dunham changed the spelling of her first name.

194 Responses to The occasional open thread (millenium edition)

  1. avatar
    DaveH September 24, 2010 at 7:54 am #

    I heard that not only did Obama’s grandma change the spelling of her name but she also (and this is a bombshell!) had an in-grown toe nail removed one year before her death.

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    DaveH September 24, 2010 at 8:00 am #

    Good lord! I never bother going to Free Republic. They consider the spelling of Obama’s grandmother’s first name ‘shocking’? It isn’t uncommon for the mother’s name to be mispelled on a birth certificate. My grandmother’s name was Marjorie and on my birth certificate it is spelled Margarette.

    But I’m sure this will turn into a HUGE BOMBSHELL headline on one of the birther blogs.

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    DaveH September 24, 2010 at 8:01 am #

    Oooops! Mean to write on my mothers birth certificate my grandmother’s name is spelled differently than it should be. I have a copies of my mother’s and father’s bc’s that I have kept.

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    Lupin September 24, 2010 at 9:08 am #

    No doubt it’s because of that “tribe” thing.

    I hear blackity blackity black.

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    Ellid September 24, 2010 at 9:56 am #

    Wait – wasn’t Gerald Ford born Leslie King, Jr.? And wasn’t Dwight David Eisenhower’s original name David Dwight Eisenhower? And what does a GRANDMOTHER’s name have to do with where a baby was born?

    They are really grasping at straws here. What a load of garbage.

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    Rickey September 24, 2010 at 10:41 am #

    The name of a high school classmate appears as “Jane” in my yearbooks. Now she spells her name “Jayne.” Clearly, she has something to hide!.

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    obsolete September 24, 2010 at 10:43 am #

    Don’t forget William Jefferson Blythe III (aka Bill Clinton).
    Birthers need a new straw to grasp after Rotunda knocked them on their heels yesterday.
    “Chapman Constitutional Scholar Rebuffs Orly Taitz’s Overtures”
    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/the-hilarious-haters/orly-taitz-embarrasses-chapman/

  8. avatar
    BatGuano September 24, 2010 at 11:26 am #

    shocking.

    my middle name is misspelled on MY birth certificate. i guess i can kiss my dreams of being president goodbye .

  9. avatar
    Majority Will September 24, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Hiram Ulysses Grant was born in Point Pleasant, Ohio on April 27, 1822 to Jesse Root Grant, a tanner, and Hannah Simpson Grant, both Pennsylvania natives. At the age of 17, the young Ulysses entered the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, secured by Congressman Thomas L. Hamer’s nomination.

    Hamer mistakenly nominated him as “Ulysses S. Grant of Ohio.”

    At West Point he adopted this name with a middle initial only. His nickname became “Sam” among army colleagues at the academy since the initials “U.S.” stood for “Uncle Sam”.

  10. avatar
    E Glenn Harcsar September 24, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    SAD’s birth certificate? It’s the death certificate that should be of interest –along with Toot’s.

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    Sean September 24, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    Rickey: The name of a high school classmate appears as “Jane” in my yearbooks. Now she spells her name “Jayne.” Clearly, she has something to hide!.

    My last name is Maher and I was listed in my yearbook as Magaña.

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    BatGuano September 24, 2010 at 12:08 pm #

    E Glenn Harcsar: SAD’s birth certificate? It’s the death certificate thatshouldbe of interest –along with Toot’s.

    what do you expect to find on the death certificates ?

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    Sean September 24, 2010 at 12:09 pm #

    BatGuano: shocking.my middle name is misspelled on MY birth certificate. i guess i can kiss my dreams of being president goodbye .

    Elvis Presley’s middle name is misspelled on his grave.

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    Sean September 24, 2010 at 12:20 pm #

    Ellid: Wait – wasn’t Gerald Ford born Leslie King, Jr.?And wasn’t Dwight David Eisenhower’s original name David Dwight Eisenhower?And what does a GRANDMOTHER’s name have to do with where a baby was born?They are really grasping at straws here.What a load of garbage.

    Oh you didn’t know? If there’s ever any discrepancy in either of your Grandparent’s names in any part of their lives, you are not a US citizen.

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    Black Lion September 24, 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    Sarah Palin goes full birther….

    “Do insane people recognize they’ve lost their minds? Here’s Sarah Palin implying that we don’t know enough about “Barack Hussein Obama’s” background. …

    And, yeah, holy crap. She totally went Birther. Her most obvious Palin Southern Strategy dog whistle yet. That makes two of the five (or so) Republican frontrunners to go full Birther.”

    http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2010/09/sarah_palin_goe.html

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    Prairie Blue September 24, 2010 at 12:44 pm #

    Funny thing happened the other day.

    Six years ago, we had to request my daughter’s birth certificate from the NY town in which she was born so she could apply for a driver’s license. The form we received was a laminated, embossed “long form” with raised seal, etc. Very classy.

    This year we had to do the same thing for the youngest child. Guess what — SHORT FORM!!!

    My wife looked at this and asked, “What the Hell? Is this legal???”

    After I got done laughing, I pointed out that it was in fact correct…

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    Prairie Blue September 24, 2010 at 12:58 pm #

    Ellid: Wait – wasn’t Gerald Ford born Leslie King, Jr.? And wasn’t Dwight David Eisenhower’s original name David Dwight Eisenhower?

    Ford was born Leslie King, Jr. in Omaha (I’m now sitting about 12 blocks Northwest of his birthplace as I type). His mom divorced and remarried when he was an infant, and his step-dad adopted him and changed his name.

    As for Eisenhower, according to Wikipedia:

    Eisenhower was born David Dwight Eisenhower on October 14, 1890, in Denison, Texas, the third of seven boys born to David Jacob Eisenhower and Ida Elizabeth Stover, of German, English and Swiss ancestry. The family moved to Abilene, Kansas, where he grew up.

    He was called Dwight so he reversed the order of his given names when he enrolled at West Point Military Academy.

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    Obsolete September 24, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    “E Glenn Harcsar
    1 hr, 14 mins ago
    SAD’s birth certificate? It’s the death certificate that should be of interest –along with Toot’s.”

    It would reveal that Obama strangled them both with his bare hands, of course. And what about those missing livers???

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    Adam September 24, 2010 at 1:00 pm #

    Has anyone looked into birther claims about Obama’s Kindergarten records? I don’t believe Doc has anything to them. Just curious if anyone has investigated what I am sure is just the latest red herring.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2592954/posts?page=103

    The birthers claim the state doesn’t have the records. At first I though it pluasible that Obama simply didn’t attend Kindergarten in Hawaii, but there are credible news stories that he has. Did anyone look into this?

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    Majority Will September 24, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    E Glenn Harcsar: SAD’s birth certificate? It’s the death certificate thatshouldbe of interest –along with Toot’s.

    Because of your bizarre, morbid curiosity or are you just flinging random turdlets at the wall to see what sticks?

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    katahdin September 24, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    Sean: Elvis Presley’s middle name is misspelled on his grave.

    He IS Alive!

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    Ellid September 24, 2010 at 1:55 pm #

    Um, a lot of people in the early 1960s went to private kindergartens that might or might not have forwarded records to state education authorities. I went to one in a church and very much doubt that there’s any paper record of it at all, let alone on file with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

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    BatGuano September 24, 2010 at 2:01 pm #

    Adam: Has anyone looked into birther claims about Obama’s Kindergarten records?

    i can’t find the specific info for hawaii but…… it seems that every state has a retention/destruction schedule for public school records. in texas for K academic records it’s 7 years after completion. but……. for retaining the birth certificate info it’s ” As long as administratively valuable”. a school could literally destroy the info the moment a student is enrolled ( atleast in texas ).

    again, the birthers find conspiracy where there is standard procedure.

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    Jules September 24, 2010 at 2:21 pm #

    Black Lion: Here’s Sarah Palin implying that we don’t know enough about “Barack Hussein Obama’s” background. …

    Yes, it is ridiculous. I know more trivia about Barack Obama than I thought I’d know about any President. I used to think that simply knowing that George W. Bush was born in Connecticut made me fairly knowledgable about pointless political trivia.

    Of course, I really don’t care what religious practices Christine O’Donnell tried for ten minutes when she was twenty years old. (I do regard her attempts to defame Wiccans as an act of bigotry for which she should apologise so that we can get to the things that matter.)

    Of course, I do care that Christine O’Donnell has a number of policy stances that I regard as absurd. Her view that taxes should never be increased makes her pledges to reduce the federal deficit rather unrealistic, in my humble opinion. I happen to disagree with her support for energy policy to keep prices low, as I happen to think that those who combust fossil fuels should be made to pay for the external costs that they impose. I don’t even know where to begin with her comments on healthcare.

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    Majority Will September 24, 2010 at 2:32 pm #

    Jules:
    I do care that Christine O’Donnell has a number of policy stances that I regard as absurd. Her view that taxes should never be increased makes her pledges to reduce the federal deficit rather unrealistic, in my humble opinion.

    Maybe she’ll support a national bake sale instead?

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    Majority Will September 24, 2010 at 2:34 pm #

    BatGuano:
    i can’t find the specific info for hawaii but…… it seems that every state has a retention/destruction schedule for public school records. in texas for K academic records it’s 7 years after completion. but……. for retaining the birth certificate info it’s ” As long as administratively valuable”. a school could literally destroy the info the moment a student is enrolled ( atleast in texas ).again, the birthers find conspiracy where there is standard procedure.

    So much for the threat from my teachers about my misbehavior going on my permanent record.

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    Steve September 24, 2010 at 2:35 pm #

    BatGuano: i can’t find the specific info for hawaii but…… it seems that every state has a retention/destruction schedule for public school records. in texas for K academic records it’s 7 years after completion. but……. for retaining the birth certificate info it’s ” As long as administratively valuable”. a school could literally destroy the info the moment a student is enrolled ( atleast in texas ).again, the birthers find conspiracy where there is standard procedure.

    I was just about to post the same thing. A few years after I graduated from college, I received a letter from my hometown’s school department notifying me that my records were going to be destroyed in accordance with state law, but they offered me the chance to receive a copy of them (I can’t remember if it was a copy or the original).
    I didn’t bother getting my records. I didn’t care.
    Yeah, I don’t know the law in Hawaii, but if they have a similar law, the birthers would undoubtedly claim that it was only Obama’s records that were destroyed or something like that.

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    Black Lion September 24, 2010 at 3:20 pm #

    Here is the latest turd from the seditious Post and Fail….The subtle racial fearmongering is pretty over the top even for them….

    “Folks, we may be getting close to Civil War II”

    “In preparation for his court martial, scheduled for October, his defense counsel asked the Judge Advocate General (JAG) court to authorize “discovery” of Obama’s birth records in order to prove Lakin’s innocence. Col. Lind, Presiding JAG Judge, has recently ruled that LTC Lakin can’t depose (question under oath) the Hawaiian Custodian of Birth Records, nor view any of their documents. The judge claimed that birth records might contain “embarrassing information” about the putative President. The judge further ruled that it is “irrelevant” for the military to prove that Obama is constitutionally eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief. She said that LTC Lakin’s deployment orders came from the Pentagon and, “on its face,” that’s all he needs to know. In other words, along with her Commanding General, Col. Lind has just decided that the chain of command originates at the Pentagon, and the President is NOT an integral part of it. Both Lind and her commanding general have now violated the Constitution’s clear specification that the “President is the Commander-in-Chief.”

    Col. Lind is either a disgrace to the uniform, or a coward who has just covertly handed LTC Lakin’s defense team a “home-run” issue to be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court! A lengthy but very insightful interview with a legal military justice expert explains the background and history of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and WHY we must never give Obama an opportunity to declare “martial law,” which is brutal and NOT civilized, constitutional law as we normally comprehend it.

    Folks, I’m terribly concerned about the future of our Republic. It is disgraceful that nearly every member of Congress knows Obama is ineligible. What are they afraid of? Are they are all afraid to act for fear that this will cause more racial uprisings — with big cities looting and burning — as happened before, following the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Rodney King events?

    Attorney General Eric Holder (a demonstrated racist) was talking about our fears of honestly discussing racial issues when he asserted, “We are a nation of cowards!”

    We must not let an audacious, clever, glib Marxist subvert it, nor diminish it. “Native born” (born in the land), is NOT the same as “natural born” (both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of birth). Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 makes clear that the Founders recognized that there were various categories of “Citizens.” They decided that only “natural born” met the strict criterion of undivided allegiance needed for the President.”

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/23/jags-protecting-obama-have-committed-treason/

    And in the comments…

    Megan says:
    Friday, September 24, 2010 at 11:23 AM
    The question as to why Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, and Sean Hannity will not address this trial and judge’s ruling is the one I want answered. What power and consequences are they so afraid of that they won’t go after Obama on his eligibility? Are we so afraid of some of our own black citizens that we ignore the Constitution? Then, let the country become afraid of both black and white Americans who still adhere to it!

    kenneth says:
    Friday, September 24, 2010 at 10:13 AM
    While I agree 100% with this article I am not so sure that elections will have any result. There will be enough of present office holders still in office who are covering now who will still be in office and continue to stonewall this issue.
    The courts both civil and military continue to try and sweep this under the rug so to speak and do nothing but cover up issue.
    I think in the end only armed rebellion will solve this issue, as they leave us no other choice. This issue will NOT STAND AT PRESENT SITUATION. IT WILL BE CORRECTED BY HOPEFULLY BALLOT BUT IF NOT BY BULLET. THEIR CHOICE!

  29. avatar
    sfjeff September 24, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    What if they start an armed rebellion and no one shows up?

  30. avatar
    Black Lion September 24, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    More hilarity from the Post and Fail…

    “A Montreal-based website, MBETV, has published The Post & Email’s coverage of the Lucas Smith congressional letter campaign, translating the first several paragraphs into French and properly linking back to our original article.

    The headline of the MBETV article is translated to read:

    Obama born in Africa: Documents allegedly obtained in Kenya sent to each member of Congress and then has one of Lucas Smith’s videos embedded. The video was not translated into French.

    The website has published a two-part article by investigative reporter Wayne Madsen which claimed that Obama might have been a CIA operative. Its “In the World” section included the article on Lucas Smith as well as a piece entitled “Anti-Terrorism: 500 New Cameras in the New York Subway.”

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/23/the-post-email-goes-international/

    And some humor in the comments…Look who show up….

    Sam Sewell says:
    Friday, September 24, 2010 at 10:40 AM
    Now Published in Norway – AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/09/now-published-in-norway-aka-obama-fans.html

    Citizen Wells says:
    Friday, September 24, 2010 at 7:00 AM
    Bonne chance.
    Best wishes for success.
    Wells
    —————————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you, Mr. WElls!

    Reply

    drkate says:
    Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 11:52 PM
    Congratulations Post Email! Well deserved attention; well done articles and writers. Thank you for your contributions.
    ——————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: And thank you for yours, Dr. Kate.

    It seems we have a who’s who of crazy birthers…All we needed was Orly and Berg and it would have been a party. The most hilarious comments has to be Rondeau’s response to the comment below….I nearly fell out of my chair laughing….

    plain jane says:
    Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM
    Do you know if this is a pro-obama site?
    —————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: It looked balanced to me: straight news reports, classified ads, world news and blogs. A good news outlet takes no position on the news; it simply reports it and allows the reader to analyze it.

  31. avatar
    Black Lion September 24, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

    Even more hilarious is the new birther OMG moment. Now they are claiming that President Obama was not certified by the state of HI….

    William says:
    Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM
    BREAKING NEW DOCUMENTATION:
    OBAMA WAS NEVER CERTIFIED BY HAWAII DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE
    THEY REFUSED TO LIE, IT’S TREASON

    THIS IS WHY PELOSI SENT THEM’ HER OWN CERTIFICATION, BUT SHE HAD NO DOCUMENTATION, SHE LIED

    HAWAII STILL REFUSES TO ‘VERIFY’ THE COLB ‘DOCUMENT’ PER HRS338-18 AS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO

    SO OBAMA IS NOT PRESIDENT
    HE’S FAILED THE 20TH AMENDMENT REQUIREMENTS
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXFwqUi3zR0&feature=player_embedded

    William says:
    Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 5:36 PM
    In 2000 and 2004, the Democratic Party of Hawaii’s official Certifications of Nomination for Al Gore and Joe Lieberman (2000) and John Kerry and John Edwards (2004) both had the following identical language:

    This is to certify that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution and are the duly chosen candidates of both the state and the national Democratic Parties by balloting at the Presidential Preference Poll and Caucus held _____ in the State of Hawaii and by acclamation at the National Democratic Convention held ______ in _______.

    In 2008, the Democratic Party of Hawaii’s official Certification of Nomination for Barack Obama and Joe Biden carried this language:

    This is to certify that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the national Democratic Parties balloting at the Presidential Preferences Poll and Caucus held on February 19, 2008 in the State of Hawaii and by acclamation at the National Democratic Convention held August 27, 2008 in Denver, Colorado.

    What the Democratic Party of Hawaii’s 2008 Certification of Nomination left out are these words:

    “of the United States Constitution and are the duly chosen candidates of both the state and”

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/37528165/2000-2004-2008-Democratic-Party-of-Hawaii-Certifications-of-Nomination-for-Presidential-Candidates

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/hawaii-democratic-party-refused-to-certify-obamas-eligibility/

  32. avatar
    Adam September 24, 2010 at 3:49 pm #

    RE: the kindergarten records

    Thanks for the replies all.

    There are credible sources that he attended Kindergarten at a public school, so the private school explanation doesn’t work.

    There remain two plausible hypotheses explaining allegedly missing records: 1) Hawaii doesn’t keep public school records for 40 years or 2) Birthers just made this up.

    Having searched around the web for the original source of the claim that these records are supposedly missing, I couldn’t find it. All I could find were a bunch of websites asserting that these records did not exist, without presenting any evidence that someone actually asked for them and was denied.

    That leads me to believe hypothesis 2 is correct: some birther just made this up, posted it on a blog somewhere, and the rest of them took his word for it. This wouldn’t be the first birther “factoid” to emerge thusly.

    Can anyone track down the initial source of the missing Kindergarten records allegation? I’d be very curious to know.

  33. avatar
    Adam September 24, 2010 at 4:01 pm #

    Nevermind. I found the source of the rumor. It was initially published in this article for Hawaii Business:

    http://www.hawaiibusiness.com/Hawaii-Business/October-2008/Being-Local-Barry-and-Bryan/

    “Now, kids from Hawaii’s public schools can also claim ties to the Democratic presidential nominee. I acquired the picture below from Winifred (Wakai) Otaguro…Otaguro’s mother, Betty Wakai, had written the names of most of the kids in the class on the back of the picture. Her writing identifies the first little boy in the third row as “Barry Obama.” Obama’s sister Maya Soetoro-Ng confirms that the boy is Obama, however, the Department of Education has been unable to find his records.”

    So the birthers didn’t just make this up, for a change. They simply attributed a sinister reason for why his Kindergarten records would be missing when a more mundane one, such as Hawaii not keeping student records for 40 years, is just as plausible, if not more so.

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    obsolete September 24, 2010 at 4:09 pm #

    Of course, what do the birthers think might be in Obama’s kindergarten records that would bring down his Presidency?
    And their misunderstanding about Hawaii’s certification process has been explained elsewhere already, but because it doesn’t lead to a TREASON conviction they ignored it.

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    obsolete September 24, 2010 at 4:10 pm #

    Oh, and the birthers probably confused being told “no, you can’t have them” with “There are no records! OMG!!!1!11!!” kind of like they did with his COLB.

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    Rickey September 24, 2010 at 4:21 pm #

    Adam: All I could find were a bunch of websites asserting that these records did not exist, without presenting any evidence that someone actually asked for them and was denied.That leads me to believe hypothesis 2 is correct: some birther just made this up, posted it on a blog somewhere, and the rest of them took his word for it.

    What we know for certain is that if Obama’s kindergarten records do exist, anyone requesting them from the Hawaii Department of Education would have to submit an authorization signed by Obama. Absent such an authorization, I seriously doubt that the DOE would respond “Sorry, those records don’t exist” even if they in fact no longer exist. They would simply deny the request with no explanation other than pointing out that the requestor didn’t submit a proper authorization.

    I suspect that the “missing records” meme arises out of the oft-published list of Obama personal records which birthers claim are “missing” – the long form, elementary, high school and college records, student loan records, etc.

    If Obama’s kindergarten records ever were to surface, I’m certain that some birther would bemoan the fact that “kindergarten” is a German word. Damned foreigners!

  37. avatar
    Black Lion September 24, 2010 at 4:27 pm #

    Good article in Forbes regarding the Dinesh D’Souza article last week that Gingrich had referenced in his Kenyan colonialism comments…

    “About that Obama cover story in Forbes magazine:

    Many staffers were dismayed to learn our pages were going to be turned over to a propagandist hack from the far-right fringe for what turned out to be a stupefyingly inane, quasi-racist bomb-toss at our president. Perhaps because the article was so utterly devoid of intellectual probity and indeed was for the most part absurd–imputing that the president, embroiled in an exceedingly difficult war abroad, is in effect on the other side–we thought and hoped this ugly unpatriotic rant wouldn’t be taken seriously or barely be noticed. Alas, it proved hard to ignore, having appeared, like bad breath and rotten teeth, in places like dentist offices across the land, as the White House noted.

    Forbes.com columnist Shikha Dalmia handily rips apart the article in her recent post, pointing out that the author, whose name doesn’t deserve yet another media mention, “seems to have homesteaded the intellectual goofiness spot.”

    http://blogs.forbes.com/craigsilver/2010/09/22/fallacious-malicious-and-unpatriotic/

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    BatGuano September 24, 2010 at 4:58 pm #

    Adam: They simply attributed a sinister reason for why his Kindergarten records would be missing when a more mundane one, such as Hawaii not keeping student records for 40 years, is just as plausible, if not more so.

    at a quick glance i can’t find the section for school records ( and need to get back to work ) but here is the link to hawaii’s retention/disposition policy:

    http://hawaii.gov/dags/archives/records-management/records-retention-and-disposition-schedules

  39. avatar
    Majority Will September 24, 2010 at 5:37 pm #

    obsolete: Of course, what do the birthers think might be in Obama’s kindergarten records that would bring down his Presidency?

    Five year old Barack devised a plan for better healthcare for all pre-schoolers.

    I once colored a squirrel purple in the first grade. The teacher, a bitter and stern person, gave me an F. Of course I cried. I showed it to my mom. She immediately went down to the elementary school and ripped the teacher a new one and then gave the principal a stern lecture about the mandatory need for pre-screening teachers of young children for sadism and stifling creativity before letting them have a daily classroom full unsupervised.

  40. avatar
    misha September 24, 2010 at 5:41 pm #

    Ellid: Wait – wasn’t Gerald Ford born Leslie King, Jr.?

    Yes. See this: http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2009/06/famous-willards.html

  41. avatar
    misha September 24, 2010 at 5:50 pm #

    Sean: Elvis Presley’s middle name is misspelled on his grave.

    katahdin: He IS Alive!

    I saw Elvis in the frozen food isle.

  42. avatar
    misha September 24, 2010 at 5:51 pm #

    sfjeff: What if they start an armed rebellion and no one shows up?

    Only if they’re back in time for dinner.

  43. avatar
    Majority Will September 24, 2010 at 6:15 pm #

    misha:
    Only if they’re back in time for dinner.

    And amputees need not apply.

  44. avatar
    GeorgetownJD September 24, 2010 at 7:06 pm #

    Sorry, Doc. A bit off topic, but I was reading Orly Taitz’s latest word salad — her “reply” to the U.S. Attorney’s response to Taitz’s second request for reconsideration of the dismissal of her idiotic quo warranto suit — and the following caught my eye:

    “Taitz was damaged and had to pay $20,000 in sanctions, after … all of her bank records were subpoenaed by the Federal government …”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now we know what prompted the online-educated worst lawyer in the world to finally pay that sanction imposed by Judge Land: the threat of having to disclose HER PERSONAL RECORDS.

    Justice can be so sweet.

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    Loren September 24, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    Adam: So the birthers didn’t just make this up, for a change. They simply attributed a sinister reason for why his Kindergarten records would be missing when a more mundane one, such as Hawaii not keeping student records for 40 years, is just as plausible, if not more so.

    I actually wrote the author of that piece to ask her where *she* got the idea that his Kindergarten records were missing, but haven’t heard back. It’d be slightly odd if she asked the Hawaii DOE herself (since it’s just an aside in an editor’s note), but there doesn’t seem to be a pre-existing published source. What we could have here is just a writer misremembering something she read or heard (like the CNN guy thinking Hawaii’s records had been destroyed).

    Plus, even if the records did (do?) exist, federal privacy laws would still prohibit their public release.

  46. avatar
    AnotherBird September 24, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    The biggest “shocker,” which nobody has ever mentioned, is that the first name of Ann’s mom is MADELINE – not MADELYN as is universally reported.

    If this is the biggest shocker then what is the entire article about. Names have variations in spelling, writing, and pronunciations. Could author have at least gone to their local book store and do their research in a baby names book. This would have saved them a lot of time. There is absolutely nothing revolutionary or shocking about the variation on Obama’s grandmothers name.

  47. avatar
    AnotherBird September 24, 2010 at 7:58 pm #

    It is always ironic when birthers use the phrase “ignore the Constitution” as a mechanism to justify their prejudice, because that is exactly what they are doing. Well not specifically to the Constitution, but they are ignoring “the rule of law. “

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    AnotherBird September 24, 2010 at 8:20 pm #

    Black Lion: Good article in Forbes regarding the Dinesh D’Souza article last week that Gingrich had referenced in his Kenyan colonialism comments…

    The article by Shikha Dalmia sums it up best.

    Shikha Dalmia:
    Anti-colonialism, on the other hand, means not that Obama has the wrong ideas, but that he is on the wrong side. He is the “other.” And no argument is needed to deal with the “other.” Ad hominem attacks do just fine.

    Where Dinesh D’Souza fails is that he seems to start from anti-colonialism and argues from that point.

  49. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 24, 2010 at 10:10 pm #

    AnotherBird:
    If this is the biggest shocker then what is the entire article about. Names have variations in spelling, writing, and pronunciations. Could author have at least gone to their local book store and do their research in a baby names book. This would have saved them a lot of time. There is absolutely nothing revolutionary or shocking about the variation on Obama’s grandmothers name.

    Of course not because that would actually take research. Birthers are like the Intelligent Design folks, they start with a conclusion and then try to fit all the data around the conclusion.

  50. avatar
    gorefan September 24, 2010 at 10:31 pm #

    Loren: I actually wrote the author of that piece to ask her where *she* got the idea that his Kindergarten records were missing, but haven’t heard back. It’d be slightly odd if she asked the Hawaii DOE herself (since it’s just an aside in an editor’s note), but there doesn’t seem to be a pre-existing published source. What we could have here is just a writer misremembering something she read or heard (like the CNN guy thinking Hawaii’s records had been destroyed).

    During the primaries, Hillary Clinton announced that in kindergarten Obama wrote an essay that he wanted to be President.

    “The Clinton campaign issued a press release Sunday that included this:

    In third grade, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled ‘I Want To Be a President.’ His third grade teacher: Fermina Katarina Sinaga “asked her class to write an essay titled ‘My dream: What I want to be in the future.’ Senator Obama wrote ‘I want to be a President,’ she said.” [The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07]

    In kindergarten, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled ‘I Want to Become President.’ “Iis Darmawan, 63, Senator Obama’s kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. He wrote an essay titled, ‘I Want To Become President,’ the teacher said.” [AP, 1/25/07 ]

    Yes, you can believe your eyes. The Clinton people are citing a kindergarten essay by Obama as evidence against him in a presidential campaign. Good thing he was born before widespread pre-natal ultrasounds. Who knows how they might’ve used that against him? ”

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/the_clinton_pot_calls_the_obam.html

    And this:

    “Then there was the Hillary campaign press release attacking Obama for saying he hadn’t spent his whole life planning to run for president (unlike some other candidates). No! Das Hillary Apparat unearthed one Iis Darmawan, 63, “Senator Obama’s kindergarten teacher [in Indonesia].” She recalled that little Barack had written an essay in kindergarten, “I Want to Become President.” Gotcha!”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/482stfoe.asp

    I miss the Presidential Primaries that was a fun time.

    But, if he was in kindergarten in Indonesia, why would Hawaii have the records?

  51. avatar
    Whatever4 September 24, 2010 at 10:38 pm #

    misha: I saw Elvis in the frozen food isle.

    Was he shopping or lying in the cold case?

  52. avatar
    charo September 24, 2010 at 11:48 pm #

    gorefan: But, if he was in kindergarten in Indonesia, why would Hawaii have the records?

    See this:

    http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/513898.html?nav=5074

  53. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 25, 2010 at 12:00 am #

    Prairie Blue: Funny thing happened the other day.Six years ago, we had to request my daughter’s birth certificate from the NY town in which she was born so she could apply for a driver’s license. The form we received was a laminated, embossed “long form” with raised seal, etc. Very classy.This year we had to do the same thing for the youngest child. Guess what — SHORT FORM!!!My wife looked at this and asked, “What the Hell? Is this legal???”After I got done laughing, I pointed out that it was in fact correct…

    Well, you’d better hope that your eldest is presidential material because (by birther logic) your youngest clearly isn’t a natural born citizen…

  54. avatar
    charo September 25, 2010 at 12:06 am #

    Loren: I actually wrote the author of that piece to ask her where *she* got the idea that his Kindergarten records were missing, but haven’t heard back

    The authir was Kelli Abe Trifonovitch. Well, here is a conspiracy theory starter:

    The story states, “Burris, who retired from the Advertiser in 2007 after 38 years but still writes a political column and blogs for the newspaper, joined the staff in late October when it was announced that editor Kelli Abe Trifonovitch was stepping down.

    Archive for November 5th, 2008

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2ssTKfWV3IEJ:weblogs.jomc.unc.edu/talkingbiznews/%3Farticle%3D2085%26paged%3D318+Kelli+Abe+Trifonovitch+obama&cd=32&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

    The editor’s note you found was from October of 2008. (I can’t paste the link, but you know what it is because you found it.) She may have never received your inquiry.

  55. avatar
    charo September 25, 2010 at 12:09 am #

    http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2008/11/03/daily32.html

    Shorter link.

  56. avatar
    charo September 25, 2010 at 12:15 am #

    authOr

  57. avatar
    gorefan September 25, 2010 at 12:37 am #

    charo: See this:
    http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/513898.html?nav=5074

    Thanks, Charo.

    What kind of records would someone expect to find on a 5 year old kindergartener back in ’66? How is this relevant to anything?

  58. avatar
    misha September 25, 2010 at 12:50 am #

    gorefan: What kind of records would someone expect to find on a 5 year old kindergartener back in ’66? How is this relevant to anything?

    Obama was studying Russian, so he could read the Communist Manifesto. At 5, he knew he was a prodigy.

    Silly you. Also at 5, Obama was training animals: http://www.newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/

  59. avatar
    ASK Esq September 25, 2010 at 1:22 am #

    I’m bored. Anyone wanna play a game? Stake out a birther site, create a birther ID to use, post the usual birther inanities for a while so they take you in as one of their own, then start a ridiculous new rumor. I’m just curious to see if we can get them believing and then spreading as fact whatever we make up.

    I’m also trying to remeber whether Obama actually being an Ethiopian Jew and a Mossad plant is something I made up or not.

  60. avatar
    misha September 25, 2010 at 1:42 am #

    ASK Esq: I’m also trying to remeber whether Obama actually being an Ethiopian Jew and a Mossad plant is something I made up or not.

    It’s true. I first saw it planned when I was in Israel. How did you find out?

  61. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 25, 2010 at 2:02 am #

    ASK Esq: I’m bored. Anyone wanna play a game? Stake out a birther site, create a birther ID to use, post the usual birther inanities for a while so they take you in as one of their own, then start a ridiculous new rumor. I’m just curious to see if we can get them believing and then spreading as fact whatever we make up.I’m also trying to remeber whether Obama actually being an Ethiopian Jew and a Mossad plant is something I made up or not.

    That seems like something you’ve got to remember if you’re going to play your game… 😉 Maybe Doc C can start a competition to see who can seed the most outlandish birther theory…

  62. avatar
    misha September 25, 2010 at 2:17 am #

    Slartibartfast: Maybe Doc C can start a competition to see who can seed the most outlandish birther theory…

    There’s nothing outlandish. It’s true. Obama’s father was really an Ethiopian Jew.

  63. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 25, 2010 at 2:55 am #

    misha:
    There’s nothing outlandish. It’s true. Obama’s father was really an Ethiopian Jew.

    You know I originally thought this would be a fun idea. But the more I think of it the more I realize even if you came out and admitted that you made stuff up they would still continue to pass it off as if it was true. Just look at that April Fools day joke article saying Obama was a fulbright scholar and that he went to school as a foreign student. Even though its not true and was an april fools joke, people still use it to try to justify wanting every one of his school records.

  64. avatar
    Lupin September 25, 2010 at 5:44 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): You know I originally thought this would be a fun idea. But the more I think of it the more I realize even if you came out and admitted that you made stuff up they would still continue to pass it off as if it was true. Just look at that April Fools day joke article saying Obama was a fulbright scholar and that he went to school as a foreign student. Even though its not true and was an april fools joke, people still use it to try to justify wanting every one of his school records.

    Because they’re the kind of folks who believe that blacks are stupider than white, Mexicans are lazy, gays are evil, etc. etc.

    I’ll grant you that not all American conservatives are racists, but all racists are certainly conservatives.

  65. avatar
    AnotherBird September 25, 2010 at 5:58 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    You know I originally thought this would be a fun idea. But the more I think of it the more I realize even if you came out and admitted that you made stuff up they would still continue to pass it off as if it was true.Just look at that April Fools day joke article saying Obama was a fulbright scholar and that he went to school as a foreign student. Even though its not true and was an april fools joke, people still use it to try to justify wanting every one of his school records.


    However, satire and conspiracy theories are different things. I have to agree that these conspiracy theorist have made it hard to make criticism through satire. If it wasn’t for the lawsuits, billboards and other birther nuttiness I would laugh at the various articles about Obama’s citizenship. The absurdity of some make you seriously wonder if they aren’t meant as satire.

    I feel that no matter what happens or published birthers will distort it for their own goals. They have distorted the usage of the word “embarrassment” in a court ruling to further their arguments.

    There is no humor with birthers, the desire to educate others, or to give an honest opinion. They are only concerned with their perversion that Obama’s can’t be a natural born citizen.

  66. avatar
    Loren September 25, 2010 at 7:05 am #

    charo:
    She may have never received your inquiry.

    Well, I wrote to her through her Facebook profile, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

  67. avatar
    charo September 25, 2010 at 7:31 am #

    Loren:
    Well, I wrote to her through her Facebook profile, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

    Why do you think she’s not answering? A respected editor makes up a sudden fact and doesn’t want to be forthcoming? Is she a birther, a liar or a sloppy reporter or a combination? She stepped down from her editorial position before November 5 (the date of the blurb I linked) and the article in which she spoke of kindergarten records was in October of 2008.

    I haven’t looked at any past issues to see if this was a planned departure but you can see how a conspiracy might develop around these couple of facts.

  68. avatar
    charo September 25, 2010 at 7:37 am #

    gorefan: What kind of records would someone expect to find on a 5 year old kindergartener back in ’66? How is this relevant to anything?

    You know to go to World Net Daily for your answers:

    Obama kindergarten records

    The Maui News reported that Obama attended kindergarten at Noelani Elementary School on Oahu during the school year 1966-67. It released a photo of two teachers, Katherine Nakamoto and Aimee Yatsushiro, with five students. The teachers claim one of the children is Barack Obama.

    According to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register. Parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country.

    So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary School officials have not responded to WND’s request for comment.

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=100613

  69. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 25, 2010 at 8:17 am #

    Lupin: Because they’re the kind of folks who believe that blacks are stupider than white, Mexicans are lazy, gays are evil, etc. etc.

    One of the mechanisms used by those who are doing well to avoid guilt over the abject disadvantages of others, is to assume that they are in someway superior in intelligence or character, which justifies their position. When the privileged become anxious about the security of their position, they seek a scapegoat among the powerless. So it has been since the foundation of civilization.

  70. avatar
    misha September 25, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    charo: So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary School officials have not responded to WND’s request for comment.

    The school has not responded to WND, because there is a suspicion that barnyard animals become skittish when Joseph Farah is near.

    He has never denied this, and refuses to respond to written enquiries.

    All he has to do is release his criminal record abstract stamped “SUBJECT HAS CLEAR RECORD TO DATE,” and this will be over tonight.

  71. avatar
    Lupin September 25, 2010 at 8:45 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: One of the mechanisms used by those who are doing well to avoid guilt over the abject disadvantages of others, is to assume that they are in someway superior in intelligence or character, which justifies their position. When the privileged become anxious about the security of their position, they seek a scapegoat among the powerless. So it has been since the foundation of civilization.

    That is true; however the tea baggers are often just as poor and disadvantaged as those they hate. I’m reminded of the Russian ” mujiks” who when things were bad under the Tsars were conveniently stirred up to start a pogrom against the Jews, etc. Instead of being angry at the aristocracy, their anger was redirected towards ” the other”.

  72. avatar
    Loren September 25, 2010 at 9:27 am #

    charo:
    Why do you think she’s not answering?

    Well, it was only earlier this week that I wrote her. Maybe she doesn’t have e-mail alerts and doesn’t log into Facebook every day. Maybe she’s just procrastinating. Maybe she just saw a strange message and dismissed it as spam. Maybe she did read it, and doesn’t want to get involved with a Birther-related debate. Heck, maybe she’s just embarrassed.

    I am, after all, just some stranger writing her about a passing comment in a random short piece she wrote two years ago. I wouldn’t expect to be high on her list of priorities.

    Still, if time goes by and I don’t hear back, I figure I’ll try again.

  73. avatar
    misha September 25, 2010 at 10:33 am #

    Lupin: I’m reminded of the Russian ” mujiks” who when things were bad under the Tsars were conveniently stirred up to start a pogrom against the Jews, etc.

    OT: Jews for Cheeses.

  74. avatar
    Lupin September 25, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    misha: OT: Jews for Cheeses.

    I couldn’t agree more.

  75. avatar
    Sean September 25, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    ASK Esq: I’m bored. Anyone wanna play a game? Stake out a birther site, create a birther ID to use, post the usual birther inanities for a while so they take you in as one of their own, then start a ridiculous new rumor. I’m just curious to see if we can get them believing and then spreading as fact whatever we make up.I’m also trying to remeber whether Obama actually being an Ethiopian Jew and a Mossad plant is something I made up or not.

    I’ve done this on YouTube comments. The great thing is, they never question the rumor. I said Michelle Obama changed her identity and there is no record of her before 1982. That and Barack Obama is gay.

  76. avatar
    Northland10 September 25, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    charo: So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary School officials have not responded to WND’s request for comment.

    It may be this pesky Hawaii Board of Education Policy that prevents any disclosure:

    Title: Student Information and Confidential Records
    Series : 4600 SERIES-STUDENT INFORMATION AND CONFIDENTIAL RECORDS
    Policy #: 4610

    STUDENT INFORMATION AND CONFIDENTIAL RECORDS POLICY

    Information relating to individual students or former students in the public schools shall not be divulged or released by Department of Education (Department) personnel, except as authorized by the individual student, parent, or guardian, permitted by the Department, or specified by law. Reports designated as “confidential” contain information of an intimate and personal nature, and shall be safeguarded and respected in accordance with professional ethics. Such reports shall not be placed in files of general accessibility.

    No questionnaire or other device for securing any kind of information, opinions, or statistical data from students shall be permitted in the public schools, except where the request is approved by the Department.

    All public schools shall maintain individual files of permanent student records as required by the Department or by law.

    Former Code No. 1151
    Former Policy Approved: 1/50
    Amended: 9/55, 3/88, 11/18/04
    Reviewed: 4/60

    It should also be noted that any records that might be retained for this long would probably be kept (off-site?) by the local school or district and not the DOE. Having spent time in student records, I find this whole issue rather silly. Any BC the school may have kept when he was there would probably have been a simple copy for their records and not the certified copy.

  77. avatar
    sam sewell September 25, 2010 at 2:34 pm #

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-colb-filed-but-never-accepted.html

    AKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted – Click Image For Full View

  78. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 25, 2010 at 2:39 pm #

    sam sewell: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-colb-filed-but-never-accepted.htmlAKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted – Click Image For Full View

    Hahahaha jesus give it up sam. There is no difference between filed and accepted in the state of Hawaii. Some states say different things but in Hawaii being filed is it being accepted. Get a new hobby

  79. avatar
    misha September 25, 2010 at 3:29 pm #

    sam sewell: AKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted – Click Image For Full View

    Sam: I completely agree with you! Good catch! I found a Kenya BC (Obama’s?), which may help you that’s right here!

  80. avatar
    Black Lion September 25, 2010 at 4:02 pm #

    sam sewell: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-colb-filed-but-never-accepted.htmlAKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted – Click Image For Full View

    You know the birthers are desperate when the man with the steady drip decides to leave his world of moderated birther blogs in order to rehash his same discredited nonsense….Sam, give it up. You and your blog are a joke. Here people will challenge your nonsense.

  81. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 25, 2010 at 4:40 pm #

    sam sewellhttp://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-colb-filed-but-never-accepted.html

    AKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted – Click Image For Full View

    [Moved to the Open Thread, Doc]

    Sam, really, not the old Date Filed v Date Accepted thing again. That’s really an antique and I would have thought long past its expiration date. I wrote about it a year and a half ago! And again in June of 2009.

    Quite a lot can be said about how totally silly the filed v accepted argument is, but there are two things so basic that it makes me wonder how the myth stays alive:

    1) States only issue certified copies of records that they accept. The COLB proves Obama’s birth registration was accepted.
    2) A 1961 Hawaii long form does not have a “Date Filed” on it, only two boxes for “Date accepted”. Therefore the COLB, which is an abstract of the long form, must show a date accepted, because that is all there is.

    State Department of Health spokesperson Janice Okubo has stated that they use different terms in different eras. Sewell’s article says “Hawaii is covering this up for political reasons to protect Obama. Only they know the ultimate reasons they are all willing to commit Misprision of Felony at this point in time given the mounting evidence that Obama was not physically born in Hawaii.” That’s right Sam, everybody is in on the conspiracy and everybody is lying. Don’t worry. It will be all right. Relax and take your meds.

  82. avatar
    BatGuano September 25, 2010 at 5:39 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Relax and take your meds.

    if you’re not going to take them can i have them ?

  83. avatar
    ASK Esq September 25, 2010 at 10:28 pm #

    sam sewell: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-colb-filed-but-never-accepted.htmlAKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted – Click Image For Full View

    Thanks for posting this, Sam. Not that it helps your previously discredited point, but it helps with yet another discredited birther point. You know how many birthers have said that Obama’s father’s race being listed as “African” shows the COLB is a fake? And how they ignore the fact that the parents were allowed to fill that information in with whatever they wanted? Well, unless “Japanese” has become a race, I’d say this is supporting evidence for the fact that there’s no problem with the listing of African as a race on the COLB.

  84. avatar
    ellid September 26, 2010 at 12:16 am #

    sam sewell: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-colb-filed-but-never-accepted.htmlAKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted – Click Image For Full View

    Christ Jesus, would you cut it out? You’re wrong, you’ve always been wrong, and there’s no sign that any of this will change. Get a life, for God’s sake, and leave the rest of us alone!

  85. avatar
    sam sewell September 26, 2010 at 12:20 am #

    I write one sentence and post one link. I get 19 hits on my site and 584 words of comment from 6 posters.

    I guess yuou guys haven’t read “the Art of War”.

  86. avatar
    sfjeff September 26, 2010 at 12:36 am #

    This was posted on Politicalforum.com and I wanted to repost it here, along with my comments:

    BY LINDA BENTLEY – CAVE CREEK – Glen Fairclough, a reader from Salt Lake City, Utah, sent us an e-mail last week to express his gratitude for publishing the recent article regarding President Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate.

    And, while going through digital images online of his hometown newspaper, the Deseret News and Telegram, Fairclough forwarded us a United Press wire article from the Oct. 2, 1952 edition he thought we would find interesting.

    The article appeared on page 6A with a dateline of Sherman, Texas. It was headlined: “General’s birth certificate officially filed,” and stated, “A certificate recording Dwight Eisenhower’s birth in Denison on Oct. 14, 1890, was filed Wednesday [Oct. 1, 1952] in the Grayson County Clerk’s office.

    “Nobody had bothered to make out a certificate when the Republican presidential candidate was born in a house at the corner of Lamar and Day streets in nearby Denison.

    “A copy of the certificate filed Wednesday was mailed to Mrs. Eisenhower in Denver. Eisenhower’s older brother, Arthur, signed the certificate. It was also signed by the Grayson County Judge J.N. Dickson and recorded by County Clerk J.C. Buchanan.”

    David Dwight Eisenhower was the third of seven boys born to David Jacob and Ida Elizabeth.

    Since he was called Dwight while growing up, Eisenhower swapped his first and middle names when he enrolled at West Point Military Academy.

    Elected 34th president of the United States in November 1952, Eisenhower made it through his first 62 years without any need for a birth certificate.

    However, the need arose when he became a presidential candidate. Since Eisenhower was the oldest man to be elected president since James Buchanan over 100 years earlier, age was obviously not at issue. Instead, there was protocol in place for presidential candidates to provide proof of eligibility to appear on the ballot.

    Eisenhower, whose campaign slogan: “I like Ike” became the most famous in campaign history, won by a landslide with Richard Nixon as his running mate. …continued here; http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/…tpage_Ike.html

    QUOTE]

    My comments:

    Thank you so much Naturalborn. This is the best evidence yet against the Birther fictions.

    What you say? This shows that someone asked for Ike’s birth certificate. While this is true, this article destroys any birther rational for needing Obama’s “certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon”

    Lets review the article shall we?

    Ike’s birth certificate was issued 60 years after his birth- based solely upon the attestation of his older brother- who was not quite 4 years old when Ike was born. I would say its unlikely Arthur saw Ike being born, so this BC was relying upon 60 year second hand memories of a 4 year old. I do not say that this makes Ike’s BC illegitimate; quite the contrary, I point out that this is all that Texas required, and they issued a birth certificate based upon that information.

    You said: Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove one of the two key elements used in determining his “natural born” citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution, i.e., where he was born.

    I say- neither did Ike. And yet this was good enough for the state of Texas, and for whatever ‘protocol’ had to be followed.

    Birthers like to play ‘what if’ as in- what if his granny claimed he was born at home and lied to get Obama a Hawaii BC. Since Ike was indeed born at home, and his BC was issued 60 years later based upon a second hand witness, I would say any BC attested to by his Grandmother would be more valid than one signed 60 years later by someone who didn’t even see the birth.

    Natural Born said before: “All he has provided to the electorate and public to see is a digital image on the internet of a purported copy of a short, summary, computer printed form called a Certification of Live Birth, aka COLB, which is not a Birth Certificate. ”

    Ike never provided any BC to the electorate or the public.

    Natural Born again: “No one in any controlling legal authority and official expert capacity has ever been allowed to examine the purported computer made paper document displayed in the digital images and digital pictures on the internet.”

    And there is no evidence that anyone with ‘controlling legal authority’ examined Ike’s either. There is only a passing reference that there was a protocol that required it- but no mention of whether it was ever provided, or ever examined.

    But finally- what I love about this article is how it destroys the ‘two citizen parent’ fiction.

    Quoting the article “However, the need arose when he became a presidential candidate. Since Eisenhower was the oldest man to be elected president since James Buchanan over 100 years earlier, age was obviously not at issue. Instead, there was protocol in place for presidential candidates to provide proof of eligibility to appear on the ballot.

    And that proof? Proof of where he was born. They didn’t ask for proof that Eisenhower’s parents were citizens. I repeat- They wanted to make sure Ike was old enough, and was born in the U.S- but didn’t ask for proof his parents were citizens when he was born.

    This is a great article. I intend to refer to it every time Birthers bring up the nonsense about how Grannie could have forged Obama’s BC. No one accused Ike’s brother of possible forgery- probably because as a private- and living citizen- he could have sued for libel.

    Birthers love to slander the dead because they can’t sue.

  87. avatar
    AnotherBird September 26, 2010 at 12:49 am #

    sam sewell: I write one sentence and post one link.I get 19 hits on my site and 584 words of comment from 6 posters.I guess yuou guys haven’t read “the Art of War”.

    Make that 20. I don’t think the book “the Art of War” mentions retrying a strategy for two years that the same effect of failure.

  88. avatar
    Keith September 26, 2010 at 1:41 am #

    sfjeff: And that proof? Proof of where he was born. They didn’t ask for proof that Eisenhower’s parents were citizens. I repeat- They wanted to make sure Ike was old enough, and was born in the U.S- but didn’t ask for proof his parents were citizens when he was born.

    And since we know that DDE held dual citizenship at birth (German through his Grandfather, I believe) it is even more damning.

  89. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 26, 2010 at 7:32 am #

    sam sewell: I write one sentence and post one link. I get 19 hits on my site and 584 words of comment from 6 posters.

    I guess yuou [sic] guys haven’t read “the Art of War”.

    Nineteen hits on your site? I get over 2,000 a day. I did go over and look around. I’m glad that I’m not you.

    I’ll do you one better. I’ll add you to the list of bad web sites in my footer.

  90. avatar
    Bovril September 26, 2010 at 7:59 am #

    sam sewell: I write one sentence and post one link. I get 19 hits on my site and 584 words of comment from 6 posters.
    I guess yuou guys haven’t read “the Art of War”.

    Guess you never heard of GiGo

    Garbage in – Garbage out

  91. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 26, 2010 at 9:04 am #

    AnotherBird: I don’t think the book “the Art of War” mentions retrying a strategy for two years that the same effect of failure.

    I would hardly call the disinformation campaign against Barack Obama a failure. A significant segment of the population now believes a completely absurd lie, supported by zero evidence. That is a remarkable success–immoral, but remarkable.

  92. avatar
    ellid September 26, 2010 at 9:08 am #

    sam sewell: I write one sentence and post one link.I get 19 hits on my site and 584 words of comment from 6 posters.I guess yuou guys haven’t read “the Art of War”.

    What you practice is a lot closer to the Art of Stupidity.

  93. avatar
    sam sewell September 26, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    I got 19 hits from your site.

    My total for this year so far:

    The Steady Drip Standard 554,334

    From stat counter

    I guess you missed the three articles that were “Most Popular” on Pravda for more than a week. The article was also translated and published in Norway and Spain.

    Another one is coming out next week.

    And thank you for putting me on your “bad boy” List. I man’s character can be determined by his enemies. I am proud to have you as a adversary.

  94. avatar
    Arthur September 26, 2010 at 1:46 pm #

    Here is a compelling opinion piece from The Economist on the folly of “constitutional idolatry.” Although the author focuses on the foolishness of tea-baggers, I thought it would be appropriate article to link here, since birthers are forever misusing the very document they claim to revere.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17103701?story_id=17103701&fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Frss%2Fpe

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    Bovril September 26, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

    Poor Sam, to be an “adversary” we’ would have to care about you and your value free crap.

    So sorry….not happening

  96. avatar
    richCares September 26, 2010 at 3:40 pm #

    ” I am proud to have you as a adversary.”
    PROJECTION
    you must be a right winger, projection is their MO!

  97. avatar
    misha September 26, 2010 at 4:48 pm #

    Sort of OT: Bubbles the chimp lectures on science:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/09/bubbles-lectures-palin-odonnell.html

  98. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

    sam sewell: I got 19 hits from your site.

    My total for this year so far:

    The Steady Drip Standard 554,334

    From stat counter

    I guess you missed the three articles that were “Most Popular” on Pravda for more than a week. The article was also translated and published in Norway and Spain.

    Another one is coming out next week.

    And thank you for putting me on your “bad boy” List. I man’s character can be determined by his enemies. I am proud to have you as a adversary

    Well if you only got 19 hits from my site out of the 22,000 weekly visitors, I would consider that a pretty poor showing.

    Not sure what you your number is, files referenced, pages served or distinct hosts visited. So far in 2010, my site has served 3,129,986 pages. If you’re just counting requests, the number is much larger.

    Actually I did see your claim that your three articles were “Most Popular” on Pravda, but numbers don’t mean much without context, and I wasn’t interested enough to try to find one.

    I’ve had you on my blog list since about when I started, so that’s 2008 or early 2009. The “Good, Bad, Ugly” category is new. Anyone who intentionally spreads misinformation is naturally my ideological adversary. However, you weren’t worth mentioning until you got those articles displayed on the tabloid Pravda.ru. Why don’t you try for the Globe Magazine? You might even make “Ugly” then.

  99. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 26, 2010 at 5:38 pm #

    sam sewell: I got 19 hits from your site.My total for this year so far:The Steady DripStandard 554,334
    From stat counterI guess you missed the three articles that were “Most Popular” on Pravda for more than a week.The article was also translated and published in Norway and Spain.Another one is coming out next week.And thank you for putting me on your “bad boy” List.I man’s character can be determined by his enemies.I am proud to have you as a adversary.

    Wow Pravda a site known for its misinformation and fabricated stories. Did the National Enquirer turn you down because they thought you were just too unethical for them? Please let us know when you can actually provide proof of your claims.

  100. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 26, 2010 at 9:58 pm #

    Arthur: Here is a compelling opinion piece from The Economist on the folly of “constitutional idolatry.” Although the author focuses on the foolishness of tea-baggers, I thought it would be appropriate article to link here, since birthers are forever misusing the very document they claim to revere.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17103701?story_id=17103701&fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Frss%2Fpe

    I must admit that I had to fire some brain cells that have not been activated in a very long time when I came across that word in the article “prelapsarian.”

  101. avatar
    Northland10 September 27, 2010 at 7:05 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Not sure what you your number is, files referenced, pages served or distinct hosts visited. So far in 2010, my site has served 3,129,986 pages. If you’re just counting requests, the number is much larger.

    I was thinking that your activity may be even higher. I, for one, generally do my reading of your articles and comments through Google Reader (especially useful on a mobile device). I often do not hit the regular site unless I am commenting or attempting to pick up missed comments in a thread (the feed sometimes missing those, usually owing to rather heavy activity). I am not sure how news readers appear in your stats.

  102. avatar
    Arthur September 27, 2010 at 9:59 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I must admit that I had to fire some brain cells that have not been activated in a very long time when I came across that word in the article “prelapsarian.”

    “Prelapsarian” . . . yeah, that’s a head-scratcher. I took it as a way to describe the difference between our own age — in which we have supposedly “lapsed” in our understanding and application of the Constitution — and an earlier golden age of constitutional perfection.

    My favorite thought from the piece: “When history is turned into scripture and men into deities, truth is the victim.”

  103. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 27, 2010 at 11:02 am #

    Arthur: “Prelapsarian” . . . yeah, that’s a head-scratcher.

    I knew the word; I just had to think a bit to remember. It refers to the Garden of Eden before the fall (lapse) of Adam and Eve. It’s similar to “antediluvian”, meaning, before Noah’s flood (deluge).

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    ballantine September 27, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Keith: And since we know that DDE held dual citizenship at birth (German through his Grandfather, I believe) it is even more damning.

    .

    Has anyone ever made a definative list of what Presidents and Vice-Presidents were born dual citizens? I have heard Eisenhower, Agnew and Chester Arthur. What about Andrew Johnson? Wikipedia says it unclear if his father was born in England or not. If he was, then his son would have been a British subject under 7 Anne, ch. 5, Sec. 3 I would think. If born in England, was he ever naturalized? What about James Buchanan. His father was born in Ireland I believe. Not sure there is evidence he was ever naturalized. Were persons born in Ireland in the 18th century British Natural Born Subjects? If so, then wouldn’t his son also have been a British subject at birth pursuant to 7 Anne, ch. 5, Sec, 3. What about Woodrow Wilson whose grandfather I think was born in Ireland? Again, if he was a natural born subject at birth, wouldn’t his grandson be a British subject by application of 13 Geo. 3, c. 21? Also, I think Wilson’s mother was born in England. Didn’t England at some point pass citizenship down through the materal line as well as the paternal line? Do we know if anyone has looked at these issues?

  105. avatar
    Black Lion September 27, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    Interesting discourse over at the military law and justice blog….You have the usual birther cast of characters….”Racer Jim, Pixel Patriot, Thinkwell, and E Publis Goat/Mountain Goat/etc”, all non-lawyers arguing with Mr. Sullivan, a military lawyer using the flawed Kerchner’s logic as their proof. You can’t make this stuff up…And when Sullivan points out to them the flaws in Kerchner’s logic, they go crying back to Kerchner…

    “thinkwell says:
    Sunday, September 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM
    Hello Commander,

    There is an Obot named Dwight Sullivan who is posting lies about you on this website:

    http://court-martial-ucmj.com/ltc-lakin-trial/comment-page-2/#comment-1222

    “I note that at the link below, one CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Retired) makes the same mistake as thinkwell,’ above, in characterizing Hamilton’s purported language as the first draft of the Constitution.’”

    You might want to set him straight personally.

  106. avatar
    Scientist September 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm #

    ballantine: Has anyone ever made a definative list of what Presidents and Vice-Presidents were born dual citizens? I have heard Eisenhower, Agnew and Chester Arthur.

    Both Bushes were Saudi citizens. Jr called Prince Bandar, the Saudi Ambassador to the US, his brother, so there can be no doubt about this fact. Oil prices hit new highs during both Bush presidencies, which benefitted the Saudis and hurt average Americans.

    Also Ronald “Dutch” Reagan was a dual citizen of the US and the Netherlands, as his name proves. Martin van Buren, who grew up speaking Dutch, was as well. After all, real Americans speak only English, or perhaps Murrican.

  107. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 27, 2010 at 12:57 pm #

    Black Lion: You have the usual birther cast of characters….”Racer Jim, Pixel Patriot, Thinkwell, and E Publis Goat/Mountain Goat/etc”, all non-lawyers arguing with Mr. Sullivan, a military lawyer using the flawed Kerchner’s logic as their proof.

    Mountain Goat/E Publius Goat are names used by Charles Kerchner.

  108. avatar
    misha September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm #

    ballantine: Has anyone ever made a definative list of what Presidents and Vice-Presidents were born dual citizens?

    Obama’s father was actually an Ethiopian Jew. I came across this, when I worked for the Mossad, and later the Shin Bet.

    Also, Bubbles the chimp is the power behind the throne:
    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/09/bubbles-lectures-palin-odonnell.html

  109. avatar
    dunstvangeet September 27, 2010 at 1:28 pm #

    ballantine:
    .Has anyone ever made a definative list of what Presidents and Vice-Presidents were born dual citizens?

    The list I’ve made was mainly based upon the fact that France gave the descendents of Huguenots in the new world were given French Citizenship. That includes Ulysseus S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Lyndon Baynes Johnson, and Leslie Lynch King (aka Gerald R. Ford).

  110. avatar
    Gregory September 27, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    misha:
    Obama was studying Russian, so he could read the Communist Manifesto.

    I’m not sure this theory adds up. The Communist Manifesto was written in German.

  111. avatar
    Black Lion September 27, 2010 at 2:06 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Mountain Goat/E Publius Goat are names used by Charles Kerchner.

    Thanks…I had forgotton about that….Why do I get the feeling that the birther world is really a core group of about 20 people with multiple online personas to make people think that their numbers are larger than they really are?

  112. avatar
    misha September 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm #

    Gregory: I’m not sure this theory adds up. The Communist Manifesto was written in German.

    I see Obama’s Chicago thugs have gotten to you, too.

  113. avatar
    Black Lion September 27, 2010 at 2:42 pm #

    Good article about the return of the so called “southern strategy”….

    “Congratulations to Fox News and the Republicans for their successful ACORN-like race baiting over the Department of Justice. Instead of questionable videos, Fox is now touting the equally flimsy accusations of conservative activists that the Department of Justice’s decision to drop a case against a few members of the New Black Panther Party signifies a reverse racism at the DOJ that tolerates voter intimidation from African Americans. Even though the New Black Panthers in question were at a heavily black voting precinct and not a single voter – white or black – has turned up to complain about intimidation. Fox News has also suggested that the DOJ has emboldened scary black men to descend on polling places all over the country, threatening law-abiding, white (Republican) citizens. Thanks to all the relentless Fox News and other right-wing attention, the Washington Post, just as with ACORN, has now jumped in with mea culpas for not covering the story sooner. Instead of a real analysis of the validity of the accusations, WaPo showcased the right’s accusations, also as they did with ACORN.

    ……………

    The Main Justice website, which covers news about the U.S. Department of Justice, has reported extensively about the New Black Panther case and the role of right-wing politicization. Their excellent overview of the case, written last December, is just one of their many articles on the subject. Now, in its latest, Mary Jacoby, Main Justice’s editor and founder, has a great analysis of the partisan maneuvers of the Bush appointees in the DOJ. She writes, “Using this isolated incident in Philly involving two yahoos to paint the entire Obama administration as reverse racists resembles a modern-day version of the GOP’s well known ‘Southern strategy’ playbook, in which Republicans fanned racial fears in the South to win white votes.”

    http://www.newshounds.us/2010/09/27/fox_news_southern_strategy_succeeding_with_dojnew_black_panther_party_race_baiting.php

  114. avatar
    Ellid September 27, 2010 at 3:25 pm #

    Black Lion:
    Thanks…I had forgotton about that….Why do I get the feeling that the birther world is really a core group of about 20 people with multiple online personas to make people think that their numbers are larger than they really are?

    Oh, I’m almost certain that Naturalized Citizen aka NC1 either is Orly Taitz or is a close associate of Orly Taitz. And Sam Sewall has at least one other handle.

  115. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 27, 2010 at 4:06 pm #

    Ellid: Oh, I’m almost certain that Naturalized Citizen aka NC1 either is Orly Taitz or is a close associate of Orly Taitz. And Sam Sewall has at least one other handle.

    Sewell posts under Aristotle the Hun.

  116. avatar
    Ellid September 27, 2010 at 5:34 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Sewell posts under Aristotle the Hun.

    I’m pretty he has at least one more, based on writing style. There was also some guy over at the Washington Independent who had at least two dozen handles, all of which uprated and complimented each other. Most peculiar.

  117. avatar
    Bovril September 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm #

    Oh there are a scad of Birfer sock puppets all over. As an example, one of my current pastimes is slapping Birfers around over at GretaWire.

    One of the more irritating users is named Logia, whose M.O. is to post ALLLLLLL of Mad Ole Orly’s insane rtants as received gospel.

    These are then supported in the classic Birfoon manner by posting a link to another 6 posts in a row thread alos by Logia.

    After checking it is now obvious that “Logia” is also Orlys personal sycophant “Veritas”

    Once pulled on this, Logia has created another account “e.scott” to support “Logia’s” posts.

    Once he/she/it gets pulled on this, it wil be a “rinse and repeat”

  118. avatar
    Black Lion September 27, 2010 at 9:40 pm #

    Bovril: Oh there are a scad of Birfer sock puppets all over. As an example, one of my current pastimes is slapping Birfers around over at GretaWire.One of the more irritating users is named Logia, whose M.O. is to post ALLLLLLL of Mad Ole Orly’s insane rtants as received gospel.These are then supported in the classic Birfoon manner by posting a link to another 6 posts in a row thread alos by Logia.After checking it is now obvious that “Logia” is also Orlys personal sycophant “Veritas”Once pulled on this, Logia has created another account “e.scott” to support “Logia’s” posts.Once he/she/it gets pulled on this, it wil be a “rinse and repeat”

    Bovril, I noticed that also over at gretawire….Logia believes that Orly walks on water….

  119. avatar
    Dave September 28, 2010 at 12:25 am #

    New Obama conspiracy theory: when Obama gives speeches, he hypnotizes people to make them his willing slaves. What makes this theory remarkable is the source — it was published by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Who, you ask? Well, the Republican candidate for Senator from Kentucky is Rand Paul, whose day job is ophthamologist, but he doesn’t belong to the AMA, because it’s too left-wing (?!). Instead, he belongs to the little known AAPS, which has over the years published a variety of crackpotted pseudoscience. The story is at the Louisville KY Courier-Journal (with a very big h/t to wonkette). One of many crazy papers published by AAPS claims that Obama is using “covert hypnosis”:

    The paper claims to examine Obama’s speeches “word by word, hand gesture by hand gesture, tone, pauses, body language, and proves his use of covert hypnosis intended only for licensed therapists on consenting patients.”

    The paper goes on to say that Obama’s “mesmerized, cult-like, grade-school-crush-like worship by millions is not because Obama is the greatest leader of a generation’ who simply hasn’t accomplished anything, who magically inspires’ by giving speeches. Obama is committing perhaps the biggest fraud and deception in American history.”

  120. avatar
    Keith September 28, 2010 at 1:10 am #

    Dave: The paper claims to examine Obama’s speeches “word by word, hand gesture by hand gesture, tone, pauses, body language, and proves his use of covert hypnosis intended only for licensed therapists on consenting patients.”

    Now you know the reason behind the evisceration of the American education system. So that the uneducated masses can actually be tricked into believing this tripe. In other words, it’s just Murdoch doing what any good capitalist should do: building a market for his product.

  121. avatar
    gorefan September 28, 2010 at 1:15 am #

    Dave: The paper claims to examine Obama’s speeches “word by word, hand gesture by hand gesture, tone, pauses, body language, and proves his use of covert hypnosis intended only for licensed therapists on consenting patients.”

    I wish he’d make the Republicans in Congress cluck like chickens.

  122. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 28, 2010 at 2:05 am #

    Dave: The paper goes on to say that Obama’s “mesmerized, cult-like, grade-school-crush-like worship by millions is not because Obama is the greatest leader of a generation’ who simply hasn’t accomplished anything, who magically inspires’ by giving speeches. Obama is committing perhaps the biggest fraud and deception in American history.”

    Sorry, but I first saw the ‘Obama uses his speeches to hypnotize people’ meme at TexasDarlin’s blog before the 2008 election. Typical for the birthers – why make something new up when you can just reuse an old conspiracy…

  123. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 28, 2010 at 8:41 am #

    Slartibartfast: Sorry, but I first saw the Obama uses his speeches to hypnotize people’ meme at TexasDarlin’s blog before the 2008 election. Typical for the birthers – why make something new up when you can just reuse an old conspiracy…

    See also:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/barack-obama-won-the-presidency-through-hypnosis/

  124. avatar
    Dave September 28, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    See also:http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/barack-obama-won-the-presidency-through-hypnosis/

    The Courier-Journal article says (and perhaps I should have mentioned) that the AAPS published the hypnosis paper in October 2008. The OCT blog post above links to an article at oilforimmigration (aka The Betrayal) posted in November 2008. Note that the quotes that the Courier-Journal takes from the AAPS paper appear verbatim in the post from oilforimmigration. In other words, although oilforimmigration does not give any source for this story, it appears to have been cut and pasted from the AAPS paper.

    So I must retract my statement that this is a new conspiracy theory — but what is news (to me at least) is that this particular conspiracy theory actually had its origin at a “medical association” that Rand Paul belongs to.

  125. avatar
    Reality Check September 28, 2010 at 11:25 am #

    Dr. Rand Paul is certified by the organization that he, himself, founded, the National Board of Ophthalmology. It is still run by the Paul family. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=3948ABEE-18FE-70B2-A8018AF32306D417

  126. avatar
    Rickey September 28, 2010 at 11:36 am #

    Another Sharon Meroni fail.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/38195835/10-09-23-Judge-Peter-Cavanagh-s-Decision

    Good analysis here:

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=12662

    Unfortunately, we haven’t heard the last of her as long as birthers keep hitting her PayPal button. Although why any Illinois attorney would want to help her is beyond me, since she has zero chance of prevailing on appeal.

  127. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny September 28, 2010 at 12:30 pm #

    Ellid: Oh, I’m almost certain that Naturalized Citizen aka NC1 either is Orly Taitz or is a close associate of Orly Taitz. And Sam Sewall has at least one other handle.

    NC1 is either Serbian or Romanian, and may be the missling link between Orly and Jonathan Levy.

  128. avatar
    misha September 28, 2010 at 12:42 pm #

    Paul Pieniezny: NC1 is either Serbian or Romanian, and may be the missling link between Orly and Jonathan Levy.

    Orly is the missing link in evolution.

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    sfjeff September 29, 2010 at 4:13 pm #

    Can someone point me in the right direction? I know that the State Department in one of the law suits confirmed that they had no information that President Obama was ever an Indonesian Citizen-

    could you show me where? I would like the information to throw at some birthers.

  130. avatar
    Northland10 September 29, 2010 at 8:17 pm #

    New eligibility case (sort of)!

    There is a new New Jersey pro se case against the health care act, but not letting anything go to waste, count six is an eligibility argument. It is fully Vattel with a request for Judicial Notice on the multiple SSNs (no, Orly is not in this one, yet).

    I have not read through the entire thing yet, but I did notice briefly an argument that the “tanning salon” tax breaks the equal protections clause since African Americans would not use a tanning salon (sorry, not OT for eligibility)

    PURPURA et al v. SEBELIUS et al, Case 3:2010cv04814, New Jersey District Court.

    http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/2268339/jstp-occff-healthcare-litigation-1-pdf-september-28-2010-9-42-am-484k?da=y

    Examiner dot com has an article about this but I am not adding the link so as to not fall into the spam block.

  131. avatar
    Majority Will September 29, 2010 at 8:24 pm #

    sfjeff: Can someone point me in the right direction? I know that the State Department in one of the law suits confirmed that they had no information that President Obama was ever an Indonesian Citizen-
    could you show me where? I would like the information to throw at some birthers.

    I thought it was on this site somewhere.

  132. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 29, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    sfjeff: Can someone point me in the right direction? I know that the State Department in one of the law suits confirmed that they had no information that President Obama was ever an Indonesian Citizen-

    could you show me where? I would like the information to throw at some birthers.

    Actually the Department of state denied that Obama was a citizen of Indonesia and denied that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This was in their response in Strunk v. State

    38…To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is not a
    natural-born citizen of the United States or that President Obama is or ever was a citizen of Indonesia, those allegations are denied.

    Article: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/department-of-state-denies-birther-allegations/

  133. avatar
    Majority Will September 29, 2010 at 10:27 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Actually the Department of state denied that Obama was a citizen of Indonesia and denied that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This was in their response in Strunk v. State
    Article: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/department-of-state-denies-birther-allegations/

    See, I was right. Thanks, Doc.

  134. avatar
    Keith September 29, 2010 at 10:37 pm #

    Northland10: New eligibility case (sort of)!There is a new New Jersey pro se case against the health care act, but not letting anything go to waste, count six is an eligibility argument.It is fully Vattel with a request for Judicial Notice on the multiple SSNs (no, Orly is not in this one, yet).I have not read through the entire thing yet, but I did notice briefly an argument that the “tanning salon” tax breaks the equal protections clause since African Americans would not use a tanning salon (sorry, not OT for eligibility)PURPURA et al v. SEBELIUS et al, Case 3:2010cv04814, New Jersey District Court.http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/2268339/jstp-occff-healthcare-litigation-1-pdf-september-28-2010-9-42-am-484k?da=yExaminer dot com has an article about this but I am not adding the link so as to not fall into the spam block.

    Some of their points are actually interesting, and I can see some of them as useful points to argue in court. I fully expect them to lose, but it could be interesting to look at some of the arguments on their merits.

    Their birther arguments are insanely frivolous of course and will be thrown out. I don’t get the part about ‘gutting’ a housing bill and filling the empty shell with the health bill. Isn’t that just an internal index number issue?

    I also don’t get the constant reference to the Constitution as a ‘contract’. Please tell me this isn’t the ‘commercial/admiralty law’ wing-nuts trying this stuff on. Because that would mean we’ll never get to see any of them get plucked in court.

  135. avatar
    Black Lion September 30, 2010 at 11:49 am #

    James O’Keefe is back in the news….

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/29/okeefe.cnn.prank/index.html?eref=rss_us&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_us+%28RSS%3A+U.S.%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

    “Lusby, Maryland (CNN) — A conservative activist known for making undercover videos plotted to embarrass a CNN correspondent by recording a meeting on hidden cameras aboard a floating “palace of pleasure” and making sexually suggestive comments, e-mails and a planning document show.

    James O’Keefe, best known for hitting the community organizing group ACORN with an undercover video sting, hoped to get CNN Investigative Correspondent Abbie Boudreau onto a boat filled with sexually explicit props and then record the session, those documents show.

    The plan apparently was thwarted after Boudreau was warned minutes before it was supposed to happen. “

  136. avatar
    Dave September 30, 2010 at 12:30 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Actually the Department of state denied that Obama was a citizen of Indonesia and denied that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This was in their response in Strunk v. State
    Article: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/department-of-state-denies-birther-allegations/

    Let me say first that I’m not a lawyer. A complaint includes a list of allegations, and the answer is required to either admit or deny each allegation. A denial is not necessarily a statement that you know the allegation is false — it is a statement that you do not know that it is true.

    That is, the defendants here are not making the statement that the President was not an Indonesian citizen — they are making the statement that they do not know that he was.

  137. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 30, 2010 at 12:38 pm #

    Dave:
    Let me say first that I’m not a lawyer. A complaint includes a list of allegations, and the answer is required to either admit or deny each allegation. A denial is not necessarily a statement that you know the allegation is false — it is a statement that you do not know that it is true.That is, the defendants here are not making the statement that the President was not an Indonesian citizen — they are making the statement that they do not know that he was.

    I am also not a lawyer, but wouldn’t the State Department be in a position to know if President Obama renounced or otherwise lost his US citizenship? Logically, their denial of statements which, if true, they would be able to verify does imply that they are effectively claiming that the statements are false.

  138. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 30, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    Dave: Let me say first that I’m not a lawyer. A complaint includes a list of allegations, and the answer is required to either admit or deny each allegation. A denial is not necessarily a statement that you know the allegation is false — it is a statement that you do not know that it is true.

    Given that you admit up front that you don’t know what you are talking about, why did you say anything? If you had any respect for the truth or for this community you would have done some research and cited authority, or kept silent.

    Now for the benefit of the community, I offer this citation from West’s Law Encyclopedia proving that David indeed does not know what he is talking about:

    The answer may plead any form of denial that is truthful and made in good faith. Although general denials that deny the truth of every fact in the complaint or of every element of a charge are sometimes used, they are not considered a sufficient response. Courts discourage general denials because they fail to respond to specific allegations and do not give the plaintiff sufficient basis to prepare a case. If the defendant lacks the knowledge or information needed to respond to the truth or falsity of a charge, rule 8(b) and similar rules in other jurisdictions allow the defendant to state such in the answer. This has the effect of a denial (rule 8(b)). If the defendant fails to respond to an allegation by either denying it or by stating he or she does not have the information necessary to admit or deny it, it is considered admitted under rule 8(d). [emphasis added]

  139. avatar
    JoZeppy September 30, 2010 at 1:54 pm #

    Northland10: New eligibility case (sort of)!There is a new New Jersey pro se case against the health care act, but not letting anything go to waste, count six is an eligibility argument. It is fully Vattel with a request for Judicial Notice on the multiple SSNs (no, Orly is not in this one, yet). I have not read through the entire thing yet, but I did notice briefly an argument that the “tanning salon” tax breaks the equal protections clause since African Americans would not use a tanning salon (sorry, not OT for eligibility)PURPURA et al v. SEBELIUS et al, Case 3:2010cv04814, New Jersey District Court.http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/2268339/jstp-occff-healthcare-litigation-1-pdf-september-28-2010-9-42-am-484k?da=yExaminer dot com has an article about this but I am not adding the link so as to not fall into the spam block.

    Am I the only person sick of the birthers’ abuse of the pharse “we the people”?

    Besides being an admission of lack of standing, I just wonder how died an appointed them spokespeople for the entire country…particularly since it was rather quite a few of “we the people” who elected this president that they are gonig to great lenghts to undermine.

  140. avatar
    Bovril September 30, 2010 at 2:29 pm #

    Ooooh, even the most cursory of checks on Purpura turns up a swathe of lawsuits he seems to enjoy filing, going back at least to 1997 and earlier.

    He even is a little Orly with sanctions for frivolous litigation when he tried, in 2005 to weasel out of his divorce settlement of 1990..!!!!!

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-supreme-court/1051705.html

    http://nj.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.%5CFDCT%5CDNJ%5C2008%5C20081216_0002275.DNJ.htm/qx

    This divorce seems to have been the initiating point for his susequent appetite for fuckwit litigation.

    He also it seems bears the defining Birfoon legal characteristic of losing all his lawsuits……..

    Enjoy

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=NICHOLAS+E.+PURPURA&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

  141. avatar
    SvenMagnussen September 30, 2010 at 3:43 pm #

    CHICAGO (WLS) – Attorney Burt Odelson, a noted elction-law expert, is predicting Rahm Emanuel will be ineligible for mayor because he is not a legal resident of Chicago.

    Odelson told Roe and Roeper on WLS Radio that when Emanuel leased out his Chicago home he could no longer claim he is a resident.

    “He rented his house out in Sept 09 and has not been back since and has no residency in Chicago,” Odelson said.

    Ha ha ha!

  142. avatar
    sfjeff September 30, 2010 at 3:58 pm #

    http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=169748

    All Emanuel wants to do is come ‘home’ and run for mayor
    by Courtney Subramanian
    Sep 29, 2010

    First, he finds out that the people he rented his home to won’t vacate so he can come home to run for mayor. Now it turns out that state law requires mayoral candidates to have lived in Chicago for a year before the election.

    Sometimes, it’s not easy being Rahm Emanuel.

    Local experts are disputing Emanuel’s eligibility to run for mayor. Some say the state law is crystal clear and bars his candidacy. Others maintain it’s no big deal.

    Whatever your opinion, this much is plain: Under Illinois election law, a candidate must reside in the city he or she is running for office at least one year prior to the election, which means Emanuel would have to have resided in Chicago since Feb. 22 of this year.

    The glitch, of course, is that he was busy on that day, and a year before and almost a year since, being chief of staff to President Barack Obama, in far-off Washington, D.C.

    Emanuel owns a home at 4228 N. Hermitage, which he leased to a family in 2009. The family declined Emanuel’s request to terminate the lease, preventing him from moving back in.

    Does this mean Chicago will have its first homeless mayoral candidate?

    One prominent election law expert, attorney Burt Odelson, who has ties with House Speaker Michael Madigan and two potential Emanuel rivals in the mayor’s race, state Sen. James Meeks and Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart, said Wednesday that the law clearly prohibits Emanuel from running for mayor.

    Odelson noted that a section of the statute in the Illinois election code allows individuals who are in service to the U.S. to keep their residency status, but only for voting purposes.

    “Even if Mr. Emanuel could make a claim that he’s in service of the U.S. and still vote absentee, he cannot make the claim he has been a resident of the city of Chicago for one year prior to the election because he leased his house to a family,” Odelson said.

    James Nally, a lawyer also specializing in election law, agreed Emanuel’s status is questionable and said this will be a critical issue if Emanuel files nomination papers.

    Illinois law in terms of residency includes not only a person’s intent of residency but also a physical presence, Nally said.

    “Physical presence is very important,” Nally said. “The statute asks, ‘Were you residing in that municipality a year prior to election?’ That’s a pretty straight-up fact question.”

    However, Jim Allen, a spokesman for the Chicago Board of Elections, said that if someone is taking a federal government assignment and maintains a residence and voter registration, it would appear that person would be qualified.

    Odelson disputed Allen’s position, saying any pronouncements from the Board of Elections regarding Emanuel’s residential eligibility are premature at best.

    “It would be improper for them to make a predetermination in regards to his qualifications until an objection is filed and the case is argued before them.”

    Another election law expert sees the case from yet another perspective.

    Former Chairman of the Illinois State Board of Elections, Dr. Ron Michaelson, said residency is largely a matter of intent. The argument involves a lot of subjectivity, Michaelson said, and can be disputed from either side.

    “Intent goes a long way in determining where one’s residency actually is,” he said.

    Michaelson also noted that in these types of residency laws, the benefit of the doubt is usually given to the individual claiming intent.

    “I think potential objectors to Rahm Emanuel’s candidacy, at the basis of residency, are going to be swimming upstream. It will be a tough issue to prevail,” he said.

    However, the issue remains contingent on Emanuel filing a petition to run for mayor, which is due Nov. 22.

    If no one files an objection to Emanuel’s residency before Nov. 30, his question of residency is dismissed and his name will remain on the election ballot.

    Nally, who has represented candidates on ballot requirement issues, said, “This is a real issue. This is not something that is just some minor technicality. If nomination papers are filed, I would be certain an objection will be filed as well.”

  143. avatar
    Scientist September 30, 2010 at 5:50 pm #

    Dick Cheney was CEO of Haliburton and worked at their headquarters in Houston, Texas and lived in Houston. Magically, when he was running for VP, he became a resident of Wyoming, a place where he hadn’t lived since he was a young man. Had he been a Texas resident, Texas electors would have been barred from voting for both him and Bush, and thus we would have had Vice President Joe Lieberman (or President Gore).

    If you’re going to be a stickler for rules, then you can’t pick and choose.

  144. avatar
    Rickey September 30, 2010 at 5:57 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: CHICAGO (WLS) – Attorney Burt Odelson, a noted elction-law expert, is predicting Rahm Emanuel will be ineligible for mayor because he is not a legal resident of Chicago.Odelson told Roe and Roeper on WLS Radio that when Emanuel leased out his Chicago home he could no longer claim he is a resident.“He rented his house out in Sept 09 and has not been back since and has no residency in Chicago,” Odelson said.Ha ha ha!

    I don’t know why anyone who lives outside of Illinois would care about who the mayor of Chicago is. It certainly isn’t something that keeps me awake at night, but your mileage may vary.

  145. avatar
    Majority Will September 30, 2010 at 6:01 pm #

    Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudi Arabia and a devout Muslim, through his Kingdom Holding Company, owns 7% of News Corporation’s shares, making Kingdom Holdings the second largest shareholder of News Corporation which owns Fox News.

    Bin Talal is the main contributor to the efforts to construct the controversial Islamic mosque near ground zero.

    News Corp. is the same corporation that currently employs not one, not two, not three, but FOUR of the GOP’s top 2012 possible presidential hopefuls, Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich, and Santorum.

    Conflicts of interest?

  146. avatar
    misha September 30, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    Scientist: If you’re going to be a stickler for rules, then you can’t pick and choose.

    A person can only have one domicile. If that house, or where his wife and family are living is his domicile, then he meets the requirement.

    I’m sure his lawyers told him he is eligible to run.

  147. avatar
    Scientist September 30, 2010 at 8:01 pm #

    misha: I’m sure his lawyers told him he is eligible to run

    Are you referring to Emanuel or Cheney? Anyway, Misha, in all honesty, the average person doesn’t give a rat’s behind about these fine legal points. It’s a matter for the person’s opponents and if they choose to ignore it, that’s where the matter ends. The average Joe only wants to know what the candidate will do for him.

    That goes for Presidents as well. The onus is on the opponents to bring it up eligibility during the campaign. Schleppers like Orly, Berg, Sven, Lakin, etc. trying to make a big deal after the fact are irrelevant. To give a baseball analogy, if they call Jeter out at 1st and Joe Girardi doesn’t argue, what difference does it make what some fan in the bleachers thinks?

  148. avatar
    Daniel September 30, 2010 at 11:39 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: CHICAGO (WLS) – Attorney Burt Odelson, a noted elction-law expert,

    What, exactly, is elction-law…. and what qualifies one to be an expert in it?

  149. avatar
    gorefan October 1, 2010 at 1:44 am #

    SvenMagnussen: Ha ha ha!

    Senate Resolution 225:

    “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961

    Submitted in the Senate, considered, and agreed to without amendment and with a preamble by Unanimous Consent.

    House Resolution 593:

    “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961”

    On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 378 – 0 (Roll no. 647).

    Blahahahahahaha

  150. avatar
    Bovril October 1, 2010 at 8:25 am #

    misha: A person can only have one domicile. If that house, or where his wife and family are living is his domicile, then he meets the requirement.
    I’m sure his lawyers told him he is eligible to run.

    Actually not true in US law.

    As an example there are probably a million retiree “snow birds” who live North in summer and migrate to their homes in Florida each winter.

    So long as they can demonstrate they are living and not simply visiting the property they are living in, they are residents in that location and that is theirdomicile.

    For the purposes of registering to vote they only officially get to chose one location however.

    As an example here are the ATF rules on firearms purchasing….they take residency VERY seriously….8-)

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(4) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.28 and 478.31]

    Q: What constitutes residency in a State?
    The State of residence is the State in which an individual is present; the individual also must have an intention of making a home in that State. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. If a member of the Armed Forces maintains a home in one State and the member’s permanent duty station is in a nearby State to which he or she commutes each day, then the member has two States of residence and may purchase a firearm in either the State where the duty station is located or the State where the home is maintained. An alien who is legally in the United States is considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in that State and has resided in that State continuously for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale of the firearm. See also Item 5, “Sales to Aliens in the United States,” in the General Information section of this publication.

    [18 U.S.C. 921(b), 922(a) (3), and 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.11]

    Q: May a person (who is not an alien) who resides in one State and owns property in another State purchase a handgun in either State?
    If a person maintains a home in 2 States and resides in both States for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular State, purchase a handgun in that State. However, simply owning property in another State does not qualify the person to purchase a handgun in that State.

    [27 CFR 478.11]

  151. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 1, 2010 at 5:28 pm #

    gorefan:
    Senate Resolution225:“Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961Submitted in the Senate, considered, and agreed to without amendment and with a preamble by Unanimous Consent.House Resolution 593:“Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961‘On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 378 – 0 (Roll no. 647).
    Blahahahahahaha

    I think we can all agree Soebarkah was a native-born American. Our divergence begins when we begin to discuss the meaning of a Natural born citizen.

    I believe Obama is a native-born American who voluntarily requested and received a Certificate of Loss of Nationality during his lifetime. Consequently, he forfeited his Natural born citizenship status the moment the SoS signed his CLN. His native born status will be held in perpetuity, while his Natural born status has been termininated.

  152. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 1, 2010 at 5:31 pm #

    Daniel:
    What, exactly, is elction-law…. and what qualifies one to be an expert in it?

    They love Rahm so much, they gave him a dead fish as a goodbye gift. Ha Ha Ha.

  153. avatar
    gorefan October 1, 2010 at 6:25 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I believe Obama is a native-born American

    And since native born = natural born. You also believe that at birth, he was eligible to be President, the same as the Founders did.

    James Kent, “As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States (Commentaries on American Law, 1826).

    James Kent was appointed by John Jay to the New York Chancery.

    St. George Tucker, “That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence, which, wherever it is capable of being exerted, is to be dreaded more than the plague.” (View of the Constitution, 1803).

    St. George Tucker was a Revolutionary War hero, wounded at the battle of Yorktown. He was appointed by President Madison to United States District Court judge.

    Williams Rawle, “Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.” (View of the Constitution of the United States of America, 1829).

    Rawle was appointed by President Washington to be the United States District Attorney for Pennsylvania.

    James Iredell, “No man but a native, or who has resided fourteen years in America, can be chosen President.” North Carolina Debate on the Constitution, July, 1788

    James Iredell was nominated to the Supreme Court by President Washington.

  154. avatar
    Rickey October 1, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    SvenMagnussen:
    I believe Obama is a native-born American who voluntarily requested and received a Certificate of Loss of Nationality during his lifetime. Consequently, he forfeited his Natural born citizenship status the moment the SoS signed his CLN.

    Be sure to let us know as soon as you come up with a copy of that CLN.

  155. avatar
    G October 1, 2010 at 6:42 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I think we can all agree Soebarkah was a native-born American. Our divergence begins when we begin to discuss the meaning of a Natural born citizen.

    I believe Obama is a native-born American who voluntarily requested and received a Certificate of Loss of Nationality during his lifetime. Consequently, he forfeited his Natural born citizenship status the moment the SoS signed his CLN. His native born status will be held in perpetuity, while his Natural born status has been termininated.

    Sven,

    As already mentioned by gorefan (as well as numerous times on this site), the terms native born and natural born have been used interchangeably constantly in American law, so there is no distinction between the two. I realize that our country’s ways are strange to you, so I’ll give you a slight pass on not understanding how our laws work…heck, many of our own citizens are just as woefully ignorant as you on such things…and sadly quite a few of them can’t even name all 50 states on a map or tell you who their elected officials are….but I digress.

    You keep going on about your pet CLN theory, which you have never ever provided ANY evidence to support such a notion…nor has there every been any evidence anywhere out there that such a document exists. Nor can you explain how he could ever lose his citizenship and get a CLN as a child. You have been shown repeatedly in extensive detail on this site that there are no scenarios that are still feasible where Obama could have lost his US citizenship during his time in Indonesia.

    I think you chose to live in such abject denial of reality and cling to your pet CLN theory, because it is your one claim to fame in birtherism – truly a unique notion that only you have been espousing. Too bad not even the other birthers take up your cause in their desperate attempts to weave fantasy scenarios and cling to non-existent straws.

  156. avatar
    AnotherBird October 1, 2010 at 9:34 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I believe Obama is a native-born American who voluntarily requested and received a Certificate of Loss of Nationality during his lifetime. Consequently, he forfeited his Natural born citizenship status the moment the SoS signed his CLN. His native born status will be held in perpetuity, while his Natural born status has been termininated.

    Of course it is your right to “believe” anything. Natural born and native born are exactly the same thing. However, there is absolutely nothing that even suggest that Obama has considered relinquished his American citizenship. Nothing.

    It is good to see that you still consider Obama is a natural born citizen.

  157. avatar
    Daniel October 2, 2010 at 1:37 am #

    SvenMagnussen:
    I believe Obama is a native-born American who voluntarily requested and received a Certificate of Loss of Nationality during his lifetime. Consequently, he forfeited his Natural born citizenship status the moment the SoS signed his CLN.

    I know a guy who believes that the government is under the control of lizard people who wear masks to look like humans.

    That’s the problem with believing, Sven. You can believe something with all your heart, and mind, and soul, and it will stil have no appreciable effect on reality.

  158. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 2, 2010 at 8:36 am #

    Rickey, G, Another Bird and Daniel;

    If Natural born Citizen is equivalent to Citizen at birth, then why didn’t the Founders write Citizen at birth in the Constitution?

    Isn’t it because some Citizens at birth were also considered British subjects due to parentage and the Founders wanted to eliminate those people from qualifying for POTUS, unless they were a citizen at the time of the ratification of the Constitution? And wasn’t Soebarkah a British Subject at birth?

  159. avatar
    Northland10 October 2, 2010 at 9:10 am #

    SvenMagnussen: If Natural born Citizen is equivalent to Citizen at birth, then why didn’t the Founders write Citizen at birth in the Constitution?

    Maybe the Doc should create a numbered index of all of the various articles here that relate to the constantly repeated questions. Then, we can just respond with a number of the article(s) that already answered the “question” multiple times. Granted, it is probably tempting for some to just respond by showing the article number with their fingers, though article 1 probably does not work for every repeated “question.”

  160. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 2, 2010 at 9:43 am #

    SvenMagnussen: And wasn’t Soebarkah a British Subject at birth?

    Who, why, which or what
    is the Akond of Soebarkah.
    Is he tall or short, or dark or fair,
    Does he sit on a stool or a sofa or a chair,
    or SQUAT,
    the Akond of Soebarkah?

    With apologies to Edward Lear

  161. avatar
    Sef October 2, 2010 at 9:52 am #

    I’ve got it! Sven is really an electric monk (as in DNA’s Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency) who has been charged with believing the stuff he posts here. Just ignore him. There’s no hope of convincing him of anything outside his programming.

  162. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 2, 2010 at 10:19 am #

    Northland10:
    Maybe the Doc should create a numbered index of all of the various articles here that relate to the constantly repeated questions.Then, we can just respond with a number of the article(s) that already answered the “question” multiple times.Granted, it is probably tempting for some to just respond by showing the article number with their fingers, though article 1 probably does not work for every repeated “question.”

    Mario said it very well in his writ to SCOTUS …

    “While the United States Supreme Court has directly decided what is the meaning of a “citizen of the United States,” and has provided in dicta the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen,” it has never decided a case in which it applied the meaning of a “natural born Citizen” to the question of whether a President Elect meets the criteria in order to be eligilble to be President.”

    – Mario Apuzzo
    Kerchner v Obama

  163. avatar
    Sef October 2, 2010 at 10:26 am #

    SvenMagnussen:
    Mario said it very well in his writ to SCOTUS …“While the United States Supreme Court has directly decided what is the meaning of a “citizen of the United States,” and has provided in dicta the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen,” it has never decided a case in which it applied the meaning of a “natural born Citizen” to the question of whether a President Elect meets the criteria in order to be eligilble to be President.”- Mario Apuzzo
    Kerchner v Obama

    Per Wikipedia “In common law, a writ is a formal written order issued by a body with administrative or judicial jurisdiction; in modern usage, this body is generally a court.” Mario will never, ever, be able to issue a writ.

  164. avatar
    BatGuano October 2, 2010 at 10:50 am #

    SvenMagnussen: I believe Obama is a native-born American who voluntarily requested and received a Certificate of Loss of Nationality during his lifetime.

    as we’ve been over ( multiple times ) a 6-10 year old can’t renounce his US citizenship. indonesian law requires a person to have lived in country for 5 years consecutively or 10 non-consecutive before they are eligible to even apply for citizenship. so sven, when in his lifetime did obama live in indonesia those 5 consecutive years ( or 6 more non-consecutive ) ?

  165. avatar
    gorefan October 2, 2010 at 12:08 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: If Natural born Citizen is equivalent to Citizen at birth, then why didn’t the Founders write Citizen at birth in the Constitution?

    They did, they wrote “natural born Citizen”. Since it means the same thing.

    Or do you think they should have written, “No person except a natural born Citizen, Native born Citizen, Citizen at birth, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    The founders spoke and wrote the english language. They knew how to use synonyms.

  166. avatar
    NbC October 2, 2010 at 12:37 pm #

    gorefan:
    They did, they wrote “natural born Citizen”.Since it means the same thing.Or do you think they should have written, “No person except a natural born Citizen, Native born Citizen, Citizen at birth, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”The founders spoke and wrote the english language.They knew how to use synonyms.

    And native born is not equivalent to ‘citizen at birth’, native born comes from being born on the soil.

  167. avatar
    NbC October 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm #

    Remember that Hamilton had proposed the follow

    No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.”

    The term was replaced by Natural Born citizen but then it required Congress to deal with children born abroad to US citizens…

  168. avatar
    Rickey October 2, 2010 at 3:37 pm #

    SvenMagnussen:
    Mario said it very well in his writ to SCOTUS

    It’s a petition, not a writ.

    And of course Mario wastes his time and the Court’s time by raising issues which are irrelevant to the appeal. It doesn’t matter if Mario has evidence that Obama is a Klingon. It’s all about standing, and Kerchner doesn’t have it.

  169. avatar
    Dave October 14, 2010 at 9:19 pm #

    Here’s a story that the birthers won’t want to hear. From Wonkette:

    A graduate student from UCLA photographed 250 signs that she saw at the 9/12 FreedomWorks rally, and then did scientific experiments to determine whether these signs were racist or not. The grad student’s analysis found “only about a quarter of all signs reflected direct anger with Obama. Only 5 percent of the total mentioned the president’s race or religion, and slightly more than 1 percent questioned his American citizenship.”

    So there’s the sad news for birthers: even at a Tea Party rally, they are a numerically insignificant fringe.

  170. avatar
    misha October 17, 2010 at 12:08 am #

    Obama will be impeached, and everything under the sun will be fair game:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/10/obama-will-be-impeached.html

  171. avatar
    Majority Will October 18, 2010 at 11:16 am #

    President Obama to appear on Discovery’s ‘MythBusters’

    A few days after showing up on MTV, VH1 and BET for a town hall discussion, President Obama will announce he’s headed to Discovery Channel — he will appear on an episode of “MythBusters,” a reality series that sends adventure-seekers to discover the scientific truth behind famous urban legends.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2010/10/president-obama-to-appear-on-d.html

    He is going to prove the U.S. state he was born in is not a foreign country. (j/k)

  172. avatar
    Bovril October 18, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    And the ever predictable Birfoons and ‘Baggers are already spouting in the comments section.

    Obama is a Moslem or a “stealth” Moslem….(WTF)
    Illegal immigration is his plan (not well articulated but I’m sure there is a cunning plan in there somewhere
    “real” name is Soetoro
    Global Warming is myth
    etc
    etc

  173. avatar
    Majority Will October 18, 2010 at 12:05 pm #

    Bovril: And the ever predictable Birfoons and Baggers are already spouting in the comments section.
    Obama is a Moslem or a “stealth” Moslem….(WTF)
    Illegal immigration is his plan (not well articulated but I’m sure there is a cunning plan in there somewhere
    “real” name is Soetoro
    Global Warming is myth
    etc
    etc

    And “stealth” racism in this comment: “aren’t there better myths they can do with obama? like can he swim?”

    Birthers are mentally challenged, cowardly pigs and bigots.

  174. avatar
    Bovril October 18, 2010 at 12:42 pm #

    Not to forget highly selective and selectively amnesiac….

    As an example, over at the cock fighting pit that is Gretawire, our lovely Birfoons love to drop out and post the presidential approval ratings and always select the Rasmussen polls as they fit their preconceptions best.

    Out of the goodness of my heart, periodically I cull out the last months moving figures from Rasmussen and have shown how the trend is towards Obama and not away.

    Strangely enough this is not generally well received and abuse usually follows…8-)

    This morning though…..no Birfoon poll number posts. Again in a desire to assist I post up that the numbers are better for Obama, both as a trend and as an absolute number. The numbers are 49% approve, 50% disapprove.

    As if by magic, not a single post, not a single tirade, not a single attack….The reality distortion field in what passes for the Birfoon mind makes the post invisible.

    I’ll keep bumping it until someone breaks….always fun…….

  175. avatar
    Majority Will October 18, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    Bovril: Not to forget highly selective and selectively amnesiac….As an example, over at the cock fighting pit that is Gretawire, our lovely Birfoons love to drop out and post the presidential approval ratings and always select the Rasmussen polls as they fit their preconceptions best.Out of the goodness of my heart, periodically I cull out the last months moving figures from Rasmussen and have shown how the trend is towards Obama and not away.
    Strangely enough this is not generally well received and abuse usually follows…8-)This morning though…..no Birfoon poll number posts. Again in a desire to assist I post up that the numbers are better for Obama, both as a trend and as an absolute number. The numbers are 49% approve, 50% disapprove.As if by magic, not a single post, not a single tirade, not a single attack….The reality distortion field in what passes for the Birfoon mind makes the post invisible.I’ll keep bumping it until someone breaks….always fun…….

    Excellent work! Popping birther bubbles is always fun.

  176. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP October 18, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    Bovril: Not to forget highly selective and selectively amnesiac….As an example, over at the cock fighting pit that is Gretawire, our lovely Birfoons love to drop out and post the presidential approval ratings and always select the Rasmussen polls as they fit their preconceptions best.Out of the goodness of my heart, periodically I cull out the last months moving figures from Rasmussen and have shown how the trend is towards Obama and not away.
    Strangely enough this is not generally well received and abuse usually follows…8-)This morning though…..no Birfoon poll number posts. Again in a desire to assist I post up that the numbers are better for Obama, both as a trend and as an absolute number. The numbers are 49% approve, 50% disapprove.As if by magic, not a single post, not a single tirade, not a single attack….The reality distortion field in what passes for the Birfoon mind makes the post invisible.I’ll keep bumping it until someone breaks….always fun…….

    They will also use the Gallup when his number is low, but if you post it when Obama’s approval rating is more than what they like, they dismiss it as a “liberal polling organization.” lol

  177. avatar
    Bovril October 19, 2010 at 8:26 am #

    Latest insanity from “Pastor” Manning….THE CIA ARE OUT TO GET ME..!!!!!!

    Well….in the echo chamber of his mind.

    ObamReleaseYourRecords reports that a real live CIA takedown notice has been served on Manning

    THIS IS AN OFFICIAL TAKEDOWN NOTICE TO ATLAH MINISTRIES FROM THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY OF THE UNITED STATES. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO CEASE AND DESIST ANY ACTIONS REGARDING THE RELEASE OF COURT DOCUMENTS PRODUCED IN ATLAH MINISTRIES. THIS SITE (ATLAH.ORG) MUST BE TERMINATED IN A PERIOD OF FIVE (5) DAYS OR YOU WILL FACE LEGAL PROSECUTION IN A COURT OF LAW.

    CONTACT INFORMATION

    Craig G. Mueller
    Special Agent
    Ph: (503) 552 5473
    Fa: (503) 552 5327

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/10/cia-threatening-pastor-manning-to-not.html

    The squealers at Gretawire are wetting themselves over this as you can imagine.

    Only problem……Manning done been Punk’d

    A 3 second Google check of the phone number would have turned up the sad little tale of a delusional little muppet by the name of Andrew Auernheimer who uses this info to do rather sad and pathetic punking of various sites. The IT White Hat Community expose him to the light periodically, example attached.

    http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/fulldisc/full-disclosure/70336

    Since however this idea that the CIA are after Manning validates his insanity (in his own mind) he would prefer to be punk’d than admit in the world of the CIA, the phrase “Pastor Manning” probably generates a “Who dat..?”

  178. avatar
    misha October 19, 2010 at 8:50 am #

    Don’t forget: Manning has a lengthy felony criminal record.

  179. avatar
    Sef October 19, 2010 at 9:56 am #

    There was a discussion recently in which I mentioned my recollection that SCOTUS has said that Congress’ role in citizenship is limited to defining rules for naturalization. There was considerable dissension from that view. I have since found the cite: http://obamaeligibility.org/relevant-supreme-court-cases/

    Osborn v. Bank of the United States, 9 Wheat. 738, 827 (1824)[?]
    A naturalized citizen is indeed made a citizen under an act of Congress, but the act does not proceed to give, to regulate, or to prescribe his capacities. He becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the Constitution, on the footing of a native. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national legislature is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it so far as respects the individual.

  180. avatar
    Black Lion October 19, 2010 at 10:37 am #

    misha: Don’t forget: Manning has a lengthy felony criminal record.

    Misha, I pointed that out to the birfoons…I am sure they will ignore any more commentary…They don’t like it when their “heros” flaws are pointed out….

    Look at the loons with this new link over there….

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/abdallah-obamas-irrlevant-birth-announcements

    They still have a hard on trying to discredit the HI birth announcements…

  181. avatar
    Black Lion October 19, 2010 at 11:05 am #

    Bovril: Not to forget highly selective and selectively amnesiac….As an example, over at the cock fighting pit that is Gretawire, our lovely Birfoons love to drop out and post the presidential approval ratings and always select the Rasmussen polls as they fit their preconceptions best.Out of the goodness of my heart, periodically I cull out the last months moving figures from Rasmussen and have shown how the trend is towards Obama and not away. Strangely enough this is not generally well received and abuse usually follows…8-)This morning though…..no Birfoon poll number posts. Again in a desire to assist I post up that the numbers are better for Obama, both as a trend and as an absolute number. The numbers are 49% approve, 50% disapprove.As if by magic, not a single post, not a single tirade, not a single attack….The reality distortion field in what passes for the Birfoon mind makes the post invisible.I’ll keep bumping it until someone breaks….always fun…….

    Bovril, I just saw you over there…Fun stuff…There is a poster calling himself nathanbforrest that is a real peach. I pointed out to him that his handle represents one of the more reprehensible figures in American history and of course he loves it….Every day the birthers and teabaggers show that for a lot of them it is all about race….

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/does-the-n-word-and-n-word-want-a-be-owe-bill-o-an-apology?replies=14

  182. avatar
    Rickey October 19, 2010 at 7:46 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion at Bad Fiction has found some more information about Fitzpatrick’s court-martial. Fitzpatrick inexplicably posted damning documents about his behavior at the Pest & eFail. It turns out that using his ship’s welfare fund to pay for crew members and spouses to attend a funeral was only part of it. Fitzpatrick also used thousands of dollars from the welfare fund to buy video and audio equipment for his stateroom and for the Captain’s stateroom.

    “The equipment was picked out and purchased by the Executive Officer with MWR [morale, welfare & recreation] funds. It is the contention of the Executive Officer that these funds were properly spent due to his belief that they were part of the crew also….The impropriety of the acquisition was pointed out to the Executive Officer at the time of the purchase and afterwards by LCDR Dolan, the Assistant Supply Officer…The instructions clearly prohibit the expenditures of funds if the benefit will only be for a few…”

    Nice guy. No wonder everyone despised him.

    http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2010/10/dispatches-from-birtherstan-for-19-october-2010.html#more

  183. avatar
    Dick Whitman October 20, 2010 at 8:30 am #

    Hillary rejected Obama when he asked her to be VP going into 2012.

    Ouch! That’s gotta hurt.

  184. avatar
    Majority Will October 20, 2010 at 9:13 am #

    Dick Whitman: Hillary rejected Obama when he asked her to be VP going into 2012.Ouch! That’s gotta hurt.

    I get it. You’re a Dick when Sven gets his butt kicked. You’re beyond help.

  185. avatar
    Black Lion October 20, 2010 at 10:16 am #

    The crazy of Orly….

    Despite the cancelation of the event that originally would have brought her to the Valley, Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. decided, due to the dedication and support from those who organized her speaking event at the Holiday Inn, she would come anyway.

    Jeff Lichter, who organized the event, also attended Taitz’s hearings on behalf of Capt. Pamela Barnett regarding Obama’s eligibility in U.S. District Court for the Central District of California last year before Judge David O. Carter.

    He said Carter’s demeanor changed markedly from September, when he stated he would hear the case on its merits and set trial dates for January of this year, and October when Carter decided to instead dismiss the case.

    ……………..

    “Lichter then introduced Lyle Rapacki, who recently returned from meeting with Pastor James David Manning of the ATLAH World Missionary Church and the transcript committee in Harlem to determine how the transcripts from the May Obama CIA Columbia trial would be released.

    Rapacki said he does intelligence work and, on the unconventional side, he’s “fighting the good fight to right this ship of state.”

    He said Taitz has laid a lot of groundwork for others and due to her tenacity – her diligence – she’s helped others pick up the ball.

    “There are very powerful folks trying to keep this quiet,” said Rapacki, adding, “No one person has scored on this issue. We’re trying to find a chink in the armor.”

    Rapacki stated, “We’re not functioning under the Constitution anymore. No one has standing because we’re operating under corporate law. It’s a game to keep this from ‘We the People.’”

    Laying out what was proved during Manning’s 10th Amendment trial, Rapacki explained that Obama was a CIA operative in Afghanistan from 1981-1984.

    Because Obama left Occidental College as a C+ student, when he returned from Afghanistan he had nowhere to go.

    A fraudulent education record at Columbia was subsequently created to get Obama into Harvard.

    And, to get into Harvard, Obama would have had to have grades that placed him on the dean’s list. However, no such records exist.

    Rapacki said it is all part of a grand scheme with Fox News complicit in keeping it quiet.
    “The information is not sensational,” said Rapacki, “What’s sensational is it’s a lie.”

    With the transcripts being released in a matter of days, Rapacki said Manning was getting ready to conduct the sentencing phase of the ATLAH trial and stated, “We’ll be armed with facts instead of emotion.”

    At the end of the event, Townsend encouraged people to contact their state senators to ask them to vote for Russell Pearce for president of the Senate. She said he didn’t ask anyone to do this but stated he was the most deserving of that post.

    She said the vote will take place in the Senate immediately after the Nov. 2 election.
    Visit http://www.orlytaitzesq.com for more information or to donate to help offset the $20,000 sanction Taitz was required to pay.”

    http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2010/101013/frontpage_Obama.html

  186. avatar
    Dick Whitman October 20, 2010 at 10:19 am #

    “I would love you to consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband.” – Virginia Thomas

    Spooky or Crazy?

  187. avatar
    Bovril October 20, 2010 at 10:39 am #

    Black Lion: Rapacki stated, “We’re not functioning under the Constitution anymore. No one has standing because we’re operating under corporate law. It’s a game to keep this from ‘We the People.’”

    Ding Ding Ding we have a winner…or rather a Sovereign Citizen.

    Just suprised he didn’t mention gold tassels on flags and Maritime law

  188. avatar
    Majority Will October 20, 2010 at 11:37 am #

    Dick Whitman: “I would love you to consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband.” – Virginia ThomasSpooky or Crazy?

    You’re not spooky SvenDick but crazy and impotent? No doubt.

  189. avatar
    Black Lion October 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm #

    What I like best is this part of the article…

    “She said the vote will take place in the Senate immediately after the Nov. 2 election.
    Visit http://www.orlytaitzesq.com for more information or to donate to help offset the $20,000 sanction Taitz was required to pay.”

    She is still conning her idiotic followers like Sven/Dick to donate to her to help “offset” her saction. Really? She probably makes more money than her stupid followers and she wants them to give her money? You have to wonder why the birthers are so dumb as to allow a rich person to con them….Amazing…

  190. avatar
    Majority Will October 20, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    Black Lion: What I like best is this part of the article…“She said the vote will take place in the Senate immediately after the Nov. 2 election.
    Visit http://www.orlytaitzesq.com for more information or to donate to help offset the $20,000 sanction Taitz was required to pay.”She is still conning her idiotic followers like Sven/Dick to donate to her to help “offset” her saction.Really?She probably makes more money than her stupid followers and she wants them to give her money?You have to wonder why the birthers are so dumb as to allow a rich person to con them….Amazing…

    The monthly insurance bill on Oily’s husband’s Tesla is probably more than most birthers make in a year.

  191. avatar
    Bovril October 20, 2010 at 2:56 pm #

    The thing that is so terribly dissapointing with Birfoons is, even when you help them out, out of the goodness of your heart, they get all pissy with ya.

    Case in point, trying to help a muppet at GW (MICO-1) who is going down some mad rabbit hole where a company name ” BARACK OBAMA UK LTD” was registered in England when the President was elected and it must therefore be some conspiracy..

    ================================

    WHY DID OBAMA START A CO. IN THE UK ON INAUG. DAY?

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/why-did-obama-start-a-co-in-the-uk-on-inaug-day

    ================================

    Being nice, I spent all of 5 minutes, two cross references and 3 lookups and posted the facts….

    ================================

    Sorry to pop your tiny little bubble MICO-1 you muppet but as is typical with Birfoons….more cack less fact.

    So, since you singularly fail in that area, out of the goodness of my heart here are a few.

    “BARACK OBAMA UK LTD” was a company name registered with Companies House opened up by a perrenial “get rich quick” loser by the name of Noel Stephen Mulry.

    He has had at least 2 other companies opened and closed by the authorities for, amongst other things, failing to fill in tax returns, scamming customers and dumping industrial garbage in laybys. As a pointer, two of the other company names he used… “N S M INTERNATIONAL” and “GALWAYMAN ENTERPRISES LTD”, both dormant.

    The phrase frequently used in the UK is that “He’s a f***ing Pikey” , ask Mary UK what that means.

    He registered the “Barack Obama UK Ltd” name hoping to make some coin, failed miserably and the company is dormant with a capitalization of 1 pound.

    So sorry to pop your fantasy but it has bog all to do with the President.

    See, these are FACTS, hope you grasp the concept for our next chit-chat.

    ================================

    Oooooh do they get ratty when you try and help ’em out…..8-)

  192. avatar
    Black Lion October 20, 2010 at 3:35 pm #

    Bov, you know that the facts just get in the way. I pointed out on one thread that the birther hero Tom Tancredo got a deferment from Vietnam in 1969 due to anxiety, panic attacks, and depression. I noted how that didn’t seem very heroic of a birther and GOP hero, especially one running for governor. I even used Wikipedia as my source. Of course I was vilified and told that Wiki was left leaning propaganda. I thought the birthers over at GW liked facts. Suprisingly I got the same response when I pointed out that another birther hero Mark Kirk lied about his service in the military. You would think that I would be appreciated for pointing out some additional information about these politicans, but alas, no luck

    I also pointed out that Lakin’s attorney now admits that the order was lawful. Surprisingly all of the Lakin supporters had nothing to say. Amazing.

  193. avatar
    Black Lion October 21, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    WND Touts Video of ‘Angel of Death’ Morphing Into Obama
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    WorldNetDaily has already promoted the idea that Barack Obama is the Antichrist. Whywouldn’t it take the next logical step?

    An Oct. 19 WND article by Bob Unruh promotes an anti-abortion video in which an image of an “Angel of Death” morphs into Obama. Unruh is clearly approving of this denigrating image, weirdly presenting as fact that the video “links President Obama with the ‘Angel of Death.'”

    While Unruh includes a few comments critical of the video (none of which he links to) by “those who support abortion” — a false construct — he’s much more interested promoting the “personhood” amendment the video was created to support. Unruh also misleads about Obama’s record on abortion, misleadingly claiming that he “oppos[ed] as a state lawmaker even laws that would require doctors to provide medical care to infants who survive abortion attempts.”

    That Unruh and WND would promote such a video demonstrates just how pathological their hatred of Obama is.

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/