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House candidate falls for birther myth

Former Representative Steve Pearce of New Mexico is running to regain his old House seat. While various conservative candidates tiptoe around birther language, Pearce jumped in with both feet when he pulled out the old fake travel ban to Pakistan.

My position is that Barack Obama raised the most significant questions himself. He said, after he came to the U.S., that he traveled to Pakistan. Now at the point that he traveled to Pakistan it was not legal to go there with a U.S. passport. And so he, himself, raises the greatest questions. I think that those questions need to be asked. Now, then, my question would be to you all at what importance, what importance? You can typically fight two or three major battles in a year, major, and for me, if we don’t get our economy going, nothing else works.

Quote courtesy of Slate.com.

And this person wants to be in Congress? I wouldn’t want an intellect like that on the local town council.

The travel ban to Pakistan, touted by contributors to right-wing web site WorldNetDaily, has been thoroughly debunked here and elsewhere.

66 Responses to House candidate falls for birther myth

  1. avatar
    AnotherBird October 8, 2010 at 7:55 pm #

    Steve Pearce is made his statement of one vote, and he seems that he will get it.

  2. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 8, 2010 at 8:00 pm #

    I wonder if Soebarkah went to Indonesia to visit his mom and obtain a Visa to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.

  3. avatar
    Walt Starr October 8, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    This canard is the oldest lie in the birfoon book!

  4. avatar
    gorefan October 8, 2010 at 8:13 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I wonder if Soebarkah went to Indonesia

    Since from age ten on his only name was Barack Obama, it is doubtful that this couldhave happened.

  5. avatar
    Arthur October 8, 2010 at 8:16 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I wonder if Soebarkah . . .

    Dear C:

    Sven’s post reminded me that I think you should add “Soebarkah” to your glossary.

  6. avatar
    Majority Will October 8, 2010 at 8:18 pm #

    gorefan:
    Since from age ten on his only name was Barack Obama, it is doubtful that this couldhave happened.

    Sven hallucinates. Daily. And spends A LOT of time spreading FUD. He’s probably living on welfare or a government pension.

    Many birthers are blatant hypocrites.

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    SvenMagnussen October 8, 2010 at 8:25 pm #

    gorefan:
    Since from age ten on his only name was Barack Obama, it is doubtful that this couldhave happened.

    How would the Indonesian government know he changed his name back to Barack Obama II?

  8. avatar
    Majority Will October 8, 2010 at 8:31 pm #

    Majority Will: Sven hallucinates. Daily.

    See?

  9. avatar
    gorefan October 8, 2010 at 9:10 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: How would the Indonesian government know he changed his name back to Barack Obama II?

    It what was on his US Passport.

  10. avatar
    Dave October 8, 2010 at 10:46 pm #

    I thought I’d mention that Pearce is running to take the seat of incumbent Harry Teague. 538 is currently giving Pearce a 69% chance of winning. Larry Sabato lists the race as “Leans R.” It’s a rather red district.

    Pearce has received mixed reviews at Taitz’s blog. One comment that Taitz promoted to the front page begins:

    Is this guy Steve Pearce from another planet?

    He said that we should be focused on the economy. Uh, Steve; you are flat out WRONG.

    We should be focused on getting the usurper Obama out of the White House.

  11. avatar
    misha October 8, 2010 at 11:32 pm #

    “I wouldn’t want an intellect like that on the local town council.”

    I would not want him as dog catcher.

  12. avatar
    Lawyerwitharealdegree October 9, 2010 at 12:52 am #

    Pearce was already in the House. He’s seeking to get back there.

  13. avatar
    AnotherBird October 9, 2010 at 12:54 am #

    SvenMagnussen: I wonder if Soebarkah went to Indonesia …

    Soebarkah is to Soetoro, as Wilson is to Jackson, or Murphy is to Murry. It is just a nature of how words are created in a language, or written using Roman letters. We still don’t know who this Soebarkah person is.

  14. avatar
    obsolete October 9, 2010 at 12:57 am #

    FYI-
    Banned birther James (JY1977) is posting Judge Lind’s email address all around the web and coming very close to crossing the legal line in regards to threatening/harassing a federal judge. Remember, he was banned here because he posted his violent spanking fantasies involving the judge. James may be an actual threat, and he should know he could be visited soon by federal marshals. I would rather be safe than sorry.

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    AnotherBird October 9, 2010 at 12:58 am #

    SvenMagnussen:
    How would the Indonesian government know he changed his name back to Barack Obama II?

    But, nothing has been to provided that even suggests that he legally changed his name from Barack Obama.

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    BatGuano October 9, 2010 at 2:14 am #

    AnotherBird:
    But, nothing has been to provided that even suggests that he legally changed his name from Barack Obama.

    facts = sven’s story

    as

    garlic = vampire

  17. avatar
    Howard D Doyle October 9, 2010 at 9:13 am #

    That beep, beep, beep sound you hear is Pearce backing away from the dozen or so birfer voters.

    http://www.nmpolitics.net/index/2010/10/pearce-calls-obama-the-%e2%80%98duly-elected-president%e2%80%99/

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    SvenMagnussen October 9, 2010 at 10:14 am #

    “As I also reported, the questions have been asked and answered: Obama is an American citizen with a valid Hawaii birth certificate.”
    – Heath Haussarman

    http://www.nmpolitics.net/index/2010/10/pearce-calls-obama-the-%e2%80%98duly-elected-president%e2%80%99/

    Heath, you left out the part about the Soetoro adoption and Barry Soetoro renouncing his US Citizenship to become an Indonesian National. It’s documented in his Indonesian school record.

    The “valid Hawaii birth certificate” you refer to is actually an abstract of a record on file in the Hawaii DoH. Why can’t we see the complete file?

  19. avatar
    BatGuano October 9, 2010 at 10:29 am #

    SvenMagnussen: Heath, you left out the part about the Soetoro adoption and Barry Soetoro renouncing his US Citizenship to become an Indonesian National.

    he also left out the part where a little girl chases a white rabbit, falls down a hole and attends a tea party. why would he intentionally leave that part out ? curiouser and curiouser.

  20. avatar
    Majority Will October 9, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    SvenMagnussen: “As I also reported, the questions have been asked and answered: Obama is an American citizen with a valid Hawaii birth certificate.”
    – Heath Haussarmanhttp://www.nmpolitics.net/index/2010/10/pearce-calls-obama-the-%e2%80%98duly-elected-president%e2%80%99/Heath, you left out the part about the Soetoro adoption and Barry Soetoro renouncing his US Citizenship to become an Indonesian National. It’s documented in his Indonesian school record.The “valid Hawaii birth certificate” you refer to is actually an abstract of a record on file in the Hawaii DoH. Why can’t we see the complete file?

    Sven, you’re a mentally challenged, FUD spreading, pathological liar and I can’t understand why Doc C tolerates your dysentery on his site.

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    AnotherBird October 9, 2010 at 10:57 am #

    SvenMagnussen: Heath, you left out the part about the Soetoro adoption and Barry Soetoro renouncing his US Citizenship to become an Indonesian National. It’s documented in his Indonesian school record.

    School records aren’t adequate to indicate a person nationality. However, the important thing is there is absolutely that suggests that a person named “Barry Soetoro” renounced his citizenship or has been adopted.

    But what seems interesting is that you ignored Republican 2nd Congressional District candidate Steve Pearce statement in reference to President Obama.

    He’s the duly elected president and I respect that.

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    gorefan October 9, 2010 at 11:15 am #

    SvenMagnussen: It’s documented in his Indonesian school record.

    But it is also documented that he renounced his renouncation at the age of ten when he went to the Punahou School in Hawaii. And remained a natural born US Citizen right up until today.

    Here he is in the 5th grade.

    http://www.craigdailypress.com/photos/2009/jan/25/17393/

    Note the name Barry Obama, not Soetoro or Soebarkah.

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    SvenMagnussen October 9, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    gorefan:
    But it is also documented that he renounced his renouncation at the age of ten when he went to the Punahou School in Hawaii.And remained a natural born US Citizen right up until today.Here he is in the 5th grade.http://www.craigdailypress.com/photos/2009/jan/25/17393/Note the name Barry Obama, not Soetoro or Soebarkah.

    His named was changed to Barack Hussein Obama II after the Soetoro adoption was annulled. We know that his CT SSN he remained an Indonesian National after the name change. A quick check of his SSA Form SS-5 will affirm he was a legal resident of the US and not a US Citizen in 1975-1976.

  24. avatar
    gorefan October 9, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: We know that his CT SSN he remained an Indonesian National after the name change.

    We know that his CT SSN was due to a clerical error in the baltimore SS headquarters. In 1975, SSN were issued based on the zip code of the return address. The PResident’s house in Hawaii was zip code 96814 and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. There for he was a US Citzen from 1975 until today.

    Also how does an Indonesian National get a SSN? Don’t you have to be a US Citizen?

  25. avatar
    Sef October 9, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: His named was changed to Barack Hussein Obama II

    Why is our President running a DNS server?

  26. avatar
    BatGuano October 9, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    gorefan: Also how does an Indonesian National get a SSN? Don’t you have to be a US Citizen?

    resident aliens can obtain a SS#.

  27. avatar
    NbC October 9, 2010 at 1:19 pm #

    BatGuano:
    resident aliens can obtain a SS#.

    Even non resident aliens can get a SS#. In most cases the document would say “not for employment purposes”

    Obama’s father applied for a SSN and his status was not one of a resident alien.

  28. avatar
    misha October 9, 2010 at 1:24 pm #

    NbC: Obama’s father applied for a SSN and his status was not one of a resident alien.

    See? That’s how far back the conspiracy goes. It’s hopeless, and we’re all doomed. I never thought a Muslim commie would be president.

    The only solution is to go live on the moon.

  29. avatar
    bob October 9, 2010 at 1:28 pm #

    Funny article at Apuzzo’s site.

    The takeaway: Because Charles Thomson” (Secretary to the Continental Congress) translated “sujets naturels” as “natural born subjects” means de Vattel’s “indigènes” somehow also means “natural born citizen.” (In the 1797 translation, “naturels” was translated as “natives.”)

    Comments egg Doc on for a response.

  30. avatar
    dunstvangeet October 9, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    SvenMagnussen

    By the way, I wouldn’t trust that link too much. I put in my SSN into that, and it told me that it was issued 6 years after I know it was issued.

    I got my SSN when I was born. That says that it was issued 6 years after I was born. Personally, I trust me more than I trust that database.

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    NbC October 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    gorefan: We know that his CT SSN was due to a clerical error in the baltimore SS headquarters. In 1975, SSN were issued based on the zip code of the return address. The PResident’s house in Hawaii was zip code 96814 and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. There for he was a US Citzen from 1975 until today.

    I looked at the evidence and so far I am not convinced

    Which address exactly was 96814?

    111 S KING ST Honolulu with 96813 comes close but when did Obama live there? Dunham lived there for a while but now we need to get some dates and locations verified.

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    obsolete October 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm #

    Since Obama’s Indonesian school record of questionable origins is nothing but facts written in stone (apparently), I take this from it- It says he was born in Hawaii. Sven agrees that is an indisputable fact. So, any of this citizenship renouncing Sven insists he did as a kid should just be chalked up to youthful follies. I got in trouble close to that age for fireworks. No one would deny me the chance to be President based on what I did at that age, so we can’t hold any of that against a six year old Obama. To do so goes against American & Christian principles of redemption and second chances. So, we are still left with the fact Obama was born in Hawaii. I guess that pretty much does it for Sven- You can stop with the birtherism.
    Or do you hate six year old kids so much that they cannot be forgiven of a mistake?

    Sven, I know Salvia is legal in many states, but no one suggests that chain smoking it is a good idea.

  33. avatar
    Black Lion October 9, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    And the birthers are all creaming their pants…From gretawire…

    Pay Attention Obots: Absolute proof the Founders knew and accepted Vattel`s French “naturels” to mean “natural born”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/10/pay-attention-obots-absolute-proof.html

    Absolute proof the Founders knew and accepted Vattel`s French “naturels” to mean “natural born” – by: Teo the Bear @ TheBirthers.org

    Found in the Library of Congress Website

    If you look at Article III in the body of the text below, you will see,

    Les consuls et vice consuls respectifs ne pourront être pris que parmi les sujets naturels de la puissance qui les nommera. Tous seront appointés par leur souverain respectif, et ils ne pourront en conséquence faire aucun trafic ou commerce quelconque ni pour leur propre compte, ni pour le compte d’autrui.

    Going down further to the end you will find under number 3,

    The respective Consuls and Vice Consuls shall only be taken from among the natural born subjects of the power nominating them. They shall all be appointed by their respective Sovereign, and in Consequence of such appointment they shall not exercise any traffic or commerce whatsoever either on their own account, or on account of any other

    Translation by Charles Thomson secretary of the Continental Congress

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/founding-fathers-natural-born-based-on-french-naturels-by-vattel

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    Ballantine October 9, 2010 at 5:04 pm #

    Black Lion: And the birthers are all creaming their pants…From gretawire…Pay Attention Obots: Absolute proof the Founders knew and accepted Vattel`s French “naturels” to mean “natural born”http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/10/pay-attention-obots-absolute-proof.htmlAbsolute proof the Founders knew and accepted Vattel`s French “naturels” to mean “natural born” – by: Teo the Bear @ TheBirthers.orgFound in the Library of Congress WebsiteIf you look at Article III in the body of the text below, you will see,Les consuls et vice consuls respectifs ne pourront être pris que parmi les sujets naturels de la puissance qui les nommera. Tous seront appointés par leur souverain respectif, et ils ne pourront en conséquence faire aucun trafic ou commerce quelconque ni pour leur propre compte, ni pour le compte d’autrui.Going down further to the end you will find under number 3,The respective Consuls and Vice Consuls shall only be taken from among the natural born subjects of the power nominating them. They shall all be appointed by their respective Sovereign, and in Consequence of such appointment they shall not exercise any traffic or commerce whatsoever either on their own account, or on account of any otherTranslation by Charles Thomson secretary of the Continental Congress http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/founding-fathers-natural-born-based-on-french-naturels-by-vattel

    Unfortuneately, Vattel used “les naturels” not “les citoyen naturels.” Why is anyone surpirsed that “les sujets naturels” would be translated into “natural born subject?” The literal transaltion would be “natural subject” which was use interchangeable with natural born subject in Calvin’s Case itself. This is actually good evidence that “les naturels” by itself would not mean “natural born citizen” and they can find no french-english dictionary of the time that says it would. I looked at many dictionaries of the time and Les naturels is translated as “natives” or “naturals.” Will the stupidity never stop.

  35. avatar
    gorefan October 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm #

    NbC: Which address exactly was 96814?

    Grandma and Grandpa Dunham
    1617 S. Beretania #1008
    Honolulu, Hawaii 96814

    Most of Stanley Ann Dunham’s passports were mailed to this address, In 1976, on her passport renewal application, she listed it as her perminent residence. That is about the time, the President was applying for his SSN. President Obama used this address when he was at Columbia. It was probably the most stable address that they had.

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    NBC October 9, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    gorefan:
    Grandma and Grandpa Dunham
    1617 S. Beretania #1008
    Honolulu, Hawaii 96814Most of Stanley Ann Dunham’s passports were mailed to this address, In 1976, on her passport renewal application, she listed it as her perminent residence.That is about the time, the President was applying for his SSN.President Obama used this address when he was at Columbia.It was probably the most stable address that they had.

    Hmmm, it is now

    1617 S BERETANIA ST APT 100
    City, State, Zip – HONOLULU HI 96826-1106

    Time to check Stanley Ann’s passport records… Well I be darned it used to be 96814 indeed…

    Excellent… Love this site, as there are so many people looking at the same data, observing new issues.

  37. avatar
    gorefan October 9, 2010 at 6:08 pm #

    NBC: Well I be darned it used to be 96814 indeed…

    Here is an explanation about zip codes:

    “An important thing to keep in mind about ZIP codes is that they change over time. In some cases these changes can be quite dramatic, but more commonly they are small and subtle. When a ZIP codes changes its definition it does not change its name like a census tract. The ZIP code that was called ‘63301’ in St. Charles county, Mo in 1985 has since been broken into first two and now three ZIP codes. These new codes were not called 63301.01, 63301.02 and 63301.03; they were called 63301, 63303 and 63304. So what is referred to as 63301 today represents about a third of the area that it referred to in 1985.”

    http://www.oseda.missouri.edu/uic/ZIP.resources.html

  38. avatar
    NBC October 9, 2010 at 6:14 pm #

    I updated my posting

    I found an address less than a block away from Obama’s residence, which showed ZIP in 1976 as 96814 but now is 96826. A minor zip code adjustment must have taken place around the end of the 70’s…

    I think we have a winner….

  39. avatar
    bob October 9, 2010 at 7:05 pm #

    I wrote to Hawaii’s Department of Health, and requested the birth index data for Obama. Today in the mail I received a paper of Obama’s birth index.

    Obviously, they are knee-deep in the conspiracy.

  40. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 9, 2010 at 7:58 pm #

    bob: The takeaway: Because Charles Thomson” (Secretary to the Continental Congress) translated “sujets naturels” as “natural born subjects” means de Vattel’s “indigènes” somehow also means “natural born citizen.” (In the 1797 translation, “naturels” was translated as “natives.”)

    Birthers are easily fooled by such misdirection.

  41. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm #

    bob: I wrote to Hawaii’s Department of Health, and requested the birth index data for Obama.Today in the mail I received a paper of Obama’s birth index.Obviously, they are knee-deep in the conspiracy.

    Hide that paper in a pumpkin.

    Within a year of [Alger] Hiss’s departure from the State Department, Chambers, a senior editor at Time magazine, told the House Un-American Activities Committee that Hiss had been a fellow communist in the 1930s and had given him State Department documents that he passed to a Soviet official. Chambers’s revelation followed the testimony of Elizabeth Bentley, an admitted Soviet agent, who told the committee that she had passed documents from a nameless, high-ranking government official to the Soviets.

    Denying the charges, Hiss sued Chambers for libel. To counter Hiss’s charges, Chambers produced handwritten memos and typewritten summaries of State Department documents. A Woodstock typewriter was introduced into evidence. Experts testified that Hiss had typed both the summaries and personal correspondence on the typewriter. Hiss and experts on his side argued that the typewriter had been tampered with in order to produce the desired evidentiary results.

    Chambers had held back from producing several strips of 35mm film and three undeveloped rolls. The existence of this additional evidence ultimately reached the Un-American Activities Committee, which prompted then U.S. Representative Richard Nixon to issue a subpoena for the materials. Under subpoena, Chambers guided congressional investigators to a pumpkin patch on his farm in Maryland. Hidden in a hollowed-out pumpkin was what later became known as the “pumpkin papers”—several prints of State Department documents from the 1930s.

    Anthony Lake, the source of inspiration and motivation during his nine years as a professor of International Relations at Mount Holyoke College, is now better known as President Obama’s close aide and foreign policy adviser.

    Lake was the head of the State Department’s policy planning operation, working under the Secretary of State Cyrus R. Vance during Carter’s administration. Following Clinton’s 1996 re-election, Lake was nominated to become the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, but his nomination was withdrawn due to Republican opposition. Lake’s nomination failed because he stated in a television interview that he was not sure if Alger Hiss was guilty

  42. avatar
    misha October 9, 2010 at 9:36 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: Lake’s nomination failed because he stated in a television interview that he was not sure if Alger Hiss was guilty

    Hiss was not guilty. Roy Cohn and his flunkies went to Chambers and told him if he did not testify against Hiss, they would expose to the press that Chambers was gay. Back then, being known as a homosexual meant ruin – suicides were commonplace and unremarkable.

    Cohn made a career out of destroying the careers and lives of others. If he was in Nazi Germany, he would have been a capo. He is not missed.

  43. avatar
    aarrgghh October 10, 2010 at 9:34 pm #

    “gingrich: obama ‘absolutely’ a citizen and christian, but may confuse people”

    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Spanish-language television that President Obama “absolutely” was born in the United States and is a Christian, adding that Obama should look at what he’s doing that may lead so many to brand him a Muslim.

    freepers react:

    “Typical Newt… appease the left and ignore the right.”

    “Produce the proof. No, no, Newt. That you´re not a scumbag. That proof.”

    “You’re never going to be President, Newt, give up the ass kissing.”

    “Every time I see that man’s name, I throw up in my mouth a little.”

    and those are some of the tamer ones. so far the score is freepers 85, newt 0.5 …

    “I don’t care if he says this- or if he believes it. If he said he disagreed the media would pound him for months over it, and STILL not question Obama. If he says this, then it keeps it in the news anyway”

  44. avatar
    Black Lion October 11, 2010 at 12:08 am #

    Speaking of myths, the birthers are recycling this old list similar to the infamous Clinton death list….They are getting desperate….

    SARAH BERKLEY – Author of “The Jihad at the Ballot Box” – a book examining Obama’s relationship with radical Islam. Died in a mysterious car crash in 2003.

    RUSSELL MCDOUGAL – Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2007. McDougal was known to hold sensitive information about meetings Barack Obama had with arms smugglers. His wife was murdered March 2006 after he went public with his initial reports. His father died July 8, 2006 four hours after McDougal presented his findings on the Savage Nation. Suffered administrative retaliation after reporting discussions by jihadist groups concerning Obama to his superiors.

    RODRIGO VILLALOPEZ, a television news camera man who shot the footage of Obama describing small town voters as “bitter” and “clinging to their guns” during the primary season.

    BRIAN GORING – A defense attorney for Obama patron Antoin Rezko during his trial for extortion and bribery. Died of apparent “natural causes.”

    MERCEDES HUGLEY, one of Obama’s many white, female conquests while at Harvard. Filed sexual assault charges against Obama for date rape in 1990. Because “date rape” was not considered a crime like it is today, she ended up dropping the charges. Two years later, she was found dead of an apparent cocaine overdose.

    TAMIKA HILL – A former secretary for Obama’s office in Chicago was murdered July 6, 2005 at a rib shack in the south side. Hill had spoken off the record with a reporter from the Chicago Sun Times about meetings Obama had with black militants in the city. She was murdered before she could ever be properly interviewed.

    HASAD AL SHAREEZ – FBI informant. Reported to his handler in January 2001 that he had a tape about of a person named simply “B. Hussein” meeting with 9/11 hijacker Mohatma Atta in Prague. Was found shot in the basement of a mosque in Dearborn, MI in October, 2001.

    DARSANO RAHARDJO – Childhood classmate of Barack Obama when he attended a madrassa in Indonesia. Was found with his head cut off in a Jakarta alley way in 1970. Many children at the school attributed Rahardjo’s murder to the young Barack Obama. It was likely done as an initiation ritual, since Islam demands that a boy spill another’s blood before the age of ten to prove their loyalty to Allah.
    ***this is way-out-there – like Indonesian myth because he was a childhood classmate of Barry’s*** but, still there is a connection of death to Obama.

    REVEREND DAVID MANNING – Former head of the Trinity Baptist Church in Chicago. Was murdered during the apparent robbery of a catfish restaurant in 1972. Shortly afterwards, Rev. Jeremiah Wright took over as head of Trinity and as many parishioners (who later left the church) suspected Wright in having a hand in Reverend Manning’s death. Decades later, Manning’s son JAMAL MANNING was found dead of an apparent crack overdose in 2004. It was rumored he was going to bring evidence of Wright’s complicity in his father’s death. His testimony was timed to coincide with Obama’s first senate race. — More Trinity member MURDERS —

    CHRISTOPHER HARGROVE, A former lover of Larry Sinclair. Found dead in a hotel room of apparent auto-erotic asphyxiation in January 2001. Was said to have been enraged when he found out that Sinclair had cheated on Jackson with Obama in the back of a limousine. To get revenge, Jackson planned to release digital pictures Sinclair had taken of the encounter on the Internet.

    PAUL ROTHCHILD – Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Washington DC in 2003. A “friend and trusted advisor” to senatorial candidate Barack Obama. Dead of an apparent suicide.

    CURTIS “POOKIE” JACKSON – Chicago drug dealer. Was the subject of a police investigation in which he was suspected of funneling money to Obama’s many various community projects. Killed in 1998 in an apparent gang murder.

    HARVEY KENYON – Head of Obama’s senatorial security team in Chicago. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside of Grant Park in 2005. Kenyon’s son said his father was building a dossier on Obama. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

    SHEILA BAUGH – A Washington DC madame. Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited the prostitutes in her brothel. One of those names was allegedly Barack Obama.

    KEYSHAWN “SPOON” CALWORTH – Was found dead of an apparent heroin overdose May 18, 1997. Was reported to have ties to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    LAWSHAWNA MARTIN- 26 year old mother of five, a Cabrini Green resident with a history of substance abuse. Told two of her co-workers at the Blue Peppermint Gentleman’s Club that she would have to quit work because she was pregnant again. Strongly implied that the “baby’s daddy” was Barack Obama. The next week, she was reported missing. No body was ever recovered, but Lawshana has not resurfaced since making those remarks.

    BILL FERGUSON- Senior aide to Barack Obama. Found dead of an apparent heart attack.

    GANDYBAUGH – Attorney for Obama friend Antonin Rezko died by falling out an
    eightieth story window of the Hancock Tower, January, 2003. His client was a convicted Chinese spy.

    (3) Gay members of Trinity United Church – murdered (execution style) within 40 days time. Donald Young, Larry Bland and Nate Spencer. Murdered between Nov – Dec. 2007.

    A man who worked as a choir conductor and school teacher was found Dec 2007 shot to death. The victim is 47-year-old Donald Young. Young’s death has been ruled a homicide.
    Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years. Two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007.
    ———
    The young DC staffer shot in his car – before he could report on Obama’s passport tamperings.
    Obama’s step brothers/sisters abruptly dying
    Obama’s grandmother abruptly dying
    Both “parents” and “step parents” dead
    ** Obama’s family members were dropping like flies – but not like those flies that land and remain on Barack’s face.

  45. avatar
    Sef October 11, 2010 at 12:22 am #

    If the birthers really believe this list that BL posted shouldn’t they be watching their backs & STFU? Just sayin’.

  46. avatar
    Dave October 11, 2010 at 1:17 am #

    Black Lion: Speaking of myths, the birthers are recycling this old list similar to the infamous Clinton death list….They are getting desperate….

    This list appeared as early as July 2008.

    I can’t find any sign that the book “Jihad at the Ballot Box” ever existed. Nor is there any sign of an author of anything named Sarah Berkley.

    I found a few blogs that spent some time trying to verify if any of these people actually existed. Gandy Baugh also appeared on the Clinton death list, and apparently there was such a person — he died at home in 1994. There is of course a Rev. David Manning, who is very much alive.

    Seems like if you want to construct a smear like this, you could take the trouble of listing actual people who had actually died, who maybe even actually had ever met the President. This one seems to be mostly people who never existed.

  47. avatar
    Steve October 11, 2010 at 2:09 am #

    Lieutenant Quarles Harris Jr. didn’t make the list?

  48. avatar
    Rickey October 11, 2010 at 12:48 pm #

    The list has undergone some changes as it gets re-posted, but it was thoroughly debunked here:

    http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?pi=1001780868

  49. avatar
    Adam October 11, 2010 at 12:56 pm #

    “And this person wants to be in Congress? I wouldn’t want an intellect like that on the local town council.”

    I agree. However, and in fairness to Mr. Pierce, at least a third, if not more, of the population of Congress possesses an intellect equal or worse than his.

  50. avatar
    Steve October 12, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    Black Lion: Speaking of myths, the birthers are recycling this old list similar to the infamous Clinton death list….They are getting desperate….SARAH BERKLEY – Author of “The Jihad at the Ballot Box” – a book examining Obama’s relationship with radical Islam. Died in a mysterious car crash in 2003. RUSSELL MCDOUGAL – Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2007. McDougal was known to hold sensitive information about meetings Barack Obama had with arms smugglers. His wife was murdered March 2006 after he went public with his initial reports. His father died July 8, 2006 four hours after McDougal presented his findings on the Savage Nation. Suffered administrative retaliation after reporting discussions by jihadist groups concerning Obama to his superiors.RODRIGO VILLALOPEZ, a television news camera man who shot the footage of Obama describing small town voters as “bitter” and “clinging to their guns” during the primary season.BRIAN GORING – A defense attorney for Obama patron Antoin Rezko during his trial for extortion and bribery. Died of apparent “natural causes.”MERCEDES HUGLEY, one of Obama’s many white, female conquests while at Harvard. Filed sexual assault charges against Obama for date rape in 1990. Because “date rape” was not considered a crime like it is today, she ended up dropping the charges. Two years later, she was found dead of an apparent cocaine overdose.TAMIKA HILL – A former secretary for Obama’s office in Chicago was murdered July 6, 2005 at a rib shack in the south side. Hill had spoken off the record with a reporter from the Chicago Sun Times about meetings Obama had with black militants in the city. She was murdered before she could ever be properly interviewed.HASAD AL SHAREEZ – FBI informant. Reported to his handler in January 2001 that he had a tape about of a person named simply “B. Hussein” meeting with 9/11 hijacker Mohatma Atta in Prague. Was found shot in the basement of a mosque in Dearborn, MI in October, 2001.DARSANO RAHARDJO – Childhood classmate of Barack Obama when he attended a madrassa in Indonesia. Was found with his head cut off in a Jakarta alley way in 1970. Many children at the school attributed Rahardjo’s murder to the young Barack Obama. It was likely done as an initiation ritual, since Islam demands that a boy spill another’s blood before the age of ten to prove their loyalty to Allah.***this is way-out-there – like Indonesian myth because he was a childhood classmate of Barry’s*** but, still there is a connection of death to Obama. REVEREND DAVID MANNING – Former head of the Trinity Baptist Church in Chicago. Was murdered during the apparent robbery of a catfish restaurant in 1972. Shortly afterwards, Rev. Jeremiah Wright took over as head of Trinity and as many parishioners (who later left the church) suspected Wright in having a hand in Reverend Manning’s death. Decades later, Manning’s son JAMAL MANNING was found dead of an apparent crack overdose in 2004. It was rumored he was going to bring evidence of Wright’s complicity in his father’s death. His testimony was timed to coincide with Obama’s first senate race. — More Trinity member MURDERS — CHRISTOPHER HARGROVE, A former lover of Larry Sinclair. Found dead in a hotel room of apparent auto-erotic asphyxiation in January 2001. Was said to have been enraged when he found out that Sinclair had cheated on Jackson with Obama in the back of a limousine. To get revenge, Jackson planned to release digital pictures Sinclair had taken of the encounter on the Internet.PAUL ROTHCHILD – Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Washington DC in 2003. A “friend and trusted advisor” to senatorial candidate Barack Obama. Dead of an apparent suicide.CURTIS “POOKIE” JACKSON – Chicago drug dealer. Was the subject of a police investigation in which he was suspected of funneling money to Obama’s many various community projects. Killed in 1998 in an apparent gang murder.HARVEY KENYON – Head of Obama’s senatorial security team in Chicago. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside of Grant Park in 2005. Kenyon’s son said his father was building a dossier on Obama. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.SHEILA BAUGH – A Washington DC madame. Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited the prostitutes in her brothel. One of those names was allegedly Barack Obama.KEYSHAWN “SPOON” CALWORTH – Was found dead of an apparent heroin overdose May 18, 1997. Was reported to have ties to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.LAWSHAWNA MARTIN- 26 year old mother of five, a Cabrini Green resident with a history of substance abuse. Told two of her co-workers at the Blue Peppermint Gentleman’s Club that she would have to quit work because she was pregnant again. Strongly implied that the “baby’s daddy” was Barack Obama. The next week, she was reported missing. No body was ever recovered, but Lawshana has not resurfaced since making those remarks.BILL FERGUSON- Senior aide to Barack Obama. Found dead of an apparent heart attack.GANDYBAUGH – Attorney for Obama friend Antonin Rezko died by falling out aneightieth story window of the Hancock Tower, January, 2003. His client was a convicted Chinese spy.(3) Gay members of Trinity United Church – murdered (execution style) within 40 days time. Donald Young, Larry Bland and Nate Spencer. Murdered between Nov – Dec. 2007.A man who worked as a choir conductor and school teacher was found Dec 2007 shot to death. The victim is 47-year-old Donald Young. Young’s death has been ruled a homicide.Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years. Two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007.———The young DC staffer shot in his car – before he could report on Obama’s passport tamperings.Obama’s step brothers/sisters abruptly dyingObama’s grandmother abruptly dyingBoth “parents” and “step parents” dead** Obama’s family members were dropping like flies – but not like those flies that land and remain on Barack’s face.

    I have a feeling Garland is going to post this on the Amazon forum anytime now.

  51. avatar
    Black Lion October 12, 2010 at 12:39 pm #

    WND Endorses D’Souza’s Highbrow Birtherism
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    Being enthusiastic birthers themselves, WorldNetDaily is already selling Dinesh D’Souza’s epic of highbrow birtherism, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” so it’s no surprise it would promote the book in a “news” article.

    An Oct. 8 article by Michael Carl is utterly devoid of skepticism, uncritically relaying all of D’Souza’s assertions and avoiding all discussion of D’Souza’s egregious factual errors that seriously undermine his theory that Obama is driven by anti-colonialism (not to mention the general wackiness of the theory). Indeed, Carl quotes nobody but D’Souza, treating him like an oracle. Then again, skeptical reporting on Obama-bashers is not something that WND does.

    Meanwhile, in his Oct. 8 column, conspiracy-monger Jack Cashill takes the unusual approach that D’Souza’s crackpot theory didn’t go far enough. No, really.

    Cashill complains that D’Souza makes Obama’s mother “seem a hapless innocent,” when she “was a veritable teen beatnik, hanging out in Seattle’s coffee shops talking jazz, foreign films and liberal politics.” Did she wear a beret and have a goatee too, Jack?

    Cashill also laments D’Souza’s “large omission” that “celebrity biographer Christopher Andersen confirmed my thesis that former terrorist Bill Ayers played a major role in the writing of” Obama’s book “Dreams From My Father.” In fact, as we’ve noted, Andersen himself backed away from this claim in an interview on CNN’s “Reliable Sources,” during which he explicitly said, “I definitely do not say he [Ayers] wrote Barack Obama’s book.”

    A place where a nutjob theory is not only treated with reverence but inspires grousing that it’s not nutty enough? That’s WorldNetDaily for you.

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/

  52. avatar
    Bovril October 12, 2010 at 1:04 pm #

    Steve,

    Wherefor the Amazon forum…..methinks a little Birfoon poking with sticks is called for…………….>8-)

  53. avatar
    Black Lion October 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    This is even more amusing…

    http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/charges-requiring-investigation/

    The Charges
    Charges against the Obama Administration to be investigated:

    The Obama Administration committed fraud by issuing the following report as a true an attested production of the seven-member committee from the National Academy of Engineering on deep water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico: INCREASED SAFETY MEASURES FOR ENERGY DEVELOPMENT ON THE OUTER CONTINENTAL SHELF on MAY 27, 2010 – Issued by Ken Salazar;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, circumvented the Constitution in particular, the Senate of the United States of America’s role to “Advise and Consent” on appointees referred to as “czars” or Presidential Advisors on at least 25 occasions;
    The Obama Administration has seized, or caused to be seized private assets without the consent of Congress or Due Process through the Judicial Branch. i.e. – AIG, General Motors, Chrysler, and others;
    The Obama Administration has committed bribery in garnering votes from Senators Landrieu of Louisiana, Nelson of Nebraska for the passage of H.R.3590 Title: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act;
    The Obama Administration has sealed, sequestered, or caused to be sealed and/or sequestered vital documents of Constitutional importance which are subject to public disclosure in express violation of 44 U.S.C. § 2201;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, accused the United States of America of wrong doing while on foreign soil;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, usurped or seeks to usurp the sovereignty of the several states along the border of Mexico, and the Gulf Coast;
    The Obama Administration has failed to secure the safety of United States citizens, their property, their livelihood, and their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness by not enforcing Federal Laws on illegal entry into the United States of America through its many borders and points of debarkation;
    The Obama Administration has committed several open and notorious acts of lying and making fraudulent statements to mislead the Congress and the citizens of the United States of America under color of authority;
    The Obama Administration has, by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard for the safety of the United States of America, her citizens, and those legally residing in the country allowed enemies of the state to invade the country, causing death, mayhem, and gross property damage;
    The Obama Administration has, by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard of the law, allowed foreign nationals to wrest the possession of Federal and private property from the citizens of the United States of America;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought caused the property of citizens to be confiscated and then redistributed such property to others without due process, Congressional Enactment, or by order of a court;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought sought to convey the sovereignty of the United States of America, in whole, or in part, to foreign entities and the United Nations;
    The Obama Administration has by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard, caused the death, and/or injury of United States of America military personnel and allied forces of other nations;
    The Obama Administration has by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard, caused or is attempting to cause the economy of the United States of America to decline precipitously;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, committed the citizens of the United States of America to unmanageable, unrecoverable debt to foreign entities;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, given aid and comfort to enemies of the United States of America by causing tax payer funds to be expended on behalf known terrorist organizations such as Hamas and others, and has caused said sworn enemies to be transported to the United States of America endangering her citizenry;
    The Obama Administration has feloniously interfered with local elections by offering goods in return for action by candidates in several states in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 595, and 18 U.S.C. § 600;
    The Obama Administration has caused to be created, a list of enemies, and has openly and notoriously slandered several United States Citizens, legal institutions, citizen groups, and law enforcement agencies;
    The Obama Administration has hired, and/or appointed tax evaders, felons, associates of enemies of the state, associates of known terrorists, and known supporters of communism to positions within the Federal government;
    The Obama Administration has by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard, failed to enforce, through the Department of Justice, the laws regarding voter intimidation in the case of the Black Panthers in Philadelphia in violation of 18 U.S.C. Sec. 594
    The Obama Administration has interfered with, promoted, and/or acted with willful and malignant force in the affairs of a foreign nation, and its political process; i.e – Kenya, Indonesia, Pakistan…et al
    The Obama Adminstration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, provided information, omitted information, and/or mislead the American public in manner that invalidates any person’s security clearance, especially in the office now held;
    The Obama Administration, specifically the President of the United States has demonstrably, and without question, manifests psychological deficiencies that preclude him or anyone displaying such deficiencies and mental disorders of holding any security clearance what-so-ever. He is therefore unfit for duty;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, provided information, omitted information, and/or mislead the American public in the use of foreign passports, travel documents, and other Constitutionally important documents concerning foreign citizenship, foreign travel, and foreign allegiances;
    Mr. Obama, has employed the use of falsified documents, obtained false documents, employed deceptive measures to secure such, and has committed fraud of the American public. i.e. – Multiple Social Security Numbers, one of a person who died before he was born in Connecticut, passports, visas, employment records, financial disclosure statements, and other public domain documents;
    Mr. Obama is unfit for duty as the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, and is unfit to hold clearance for state secrets.
    *******************************************************************************

    In the next two years I bet even more charges will be added.

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obama-charges-requiring-investigation

  54. avatar
    Majority Will October 12, 2010 at 3:22 pm #

    Black Lion: This is even more amusing…http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/charges-requiring-investigation/The Charges
    Charges against the Obama Administration to be investigated:The Obama Administration committed fraud by issuing the following report as a true an attested production of the seven-member committee from the National Academy of Engineering on deep water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico: INCREASED SAFETY MEASURES FOR ENERGY DEVELOPMENT ON THE OUTER CONTINENTAL SHELF on MAY 27, 2010 – Issued by Ken Salazar;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, circumvented the Constitution in particular, the Senate of the United States of America’s role to “Advise and Consent” on appointees referred to as “czars” or Presidential Advisors on at least 25 occasions;
    The Obama Administration has seized, or caused to be seized private assets without the consent of Congress or Due Process through the Judicial Branch. i.e. – AIG, General Motors, Chrysler, and others;
    The Obama Administration has committed bribery in garnering votes from Senators Landrieu of Louisiana, Nelson of Nebraska for the passage of H.R.3590 Title: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act;
    The Obama Administration has sealed, sequestered, or caused to be sealed and/or sequestered vital documents of Constitutional importance which are subject to public disclosure in express violation of 44 U.S.C. § 2201;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, accused the United States of America of wrong doing while on foreign soil;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, usurped or seeks to usurp the sovereignty of the several states along the border of Mexico, and the Gulf Coast;
    The Obama Administration has failed to secure the safety of United States citizens, their property, their livelihood, and their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness by not enforcing Federal Laws on illegal entry into the United States of America through its many borders and points of debarkation;
    The Obama Administration has committed several open and notorious acts of lying and making fraudulent statements to mislead the Congress and the citizens of the United States of America under color of authority;
    The Obama Administration has, by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard for the safety of the United States of America, her citizens, and those legally residing in the country allowed enemies of the state to invade the country, causing death, mayhem, and gross property damage;
    The Obama Administration has, by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard of the law, allowed foreign nationals to wrest the possession of Federal and private property from the citizens of the United States of America;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought caused the property of citizens to be confiscated and then redistributed such property to others without due process, Congressional Enactment, or by order of a court;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought sought to convey the sovereignty of the United States of America, in whole, or in part, to foreign entities and the United Nations;
    The Obama Administration has by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard, caused the death, and/or injury of United States of America military personnel and allied forces of other nations;
    The Obama Administration has by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard, caused or is attempting to cause the economy of the United States of America to decline precipitously;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, committed the citizens of the United States of America to unmanageable, unrecoverable debt to foreign entities;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, given aid and comfort to enemies of the United States of America by causing tax payer funds to be expended on behalf known terrorist organizations such as Hamas and others, and has caused said sworn enemies to be transported to the United States of America endangering her citizenry;
    The Obama Administration has feloniously interfered with local elections by offering goods in return for action by candidates in several states in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 595, and 18 U.S.C. § 600;
    The Obama Administration has caused to be created, a list of enemies, and has openly and notoriously slandered several United States Citizens, legal institutions, citizen groups, and law enforcement agencies;
    The Obama Administration has hired, and/or appointed tax evaders, felons, associates of enemies of the state, associates of known terrorists, and known supporters of communism to positions within the Federal government;
    The Obama Administration has by acts of omission, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and onerous disregard, failed to enforce, through the Department of Justice, the laws regarding voter intimidation in the case of the Black Panthers in Philadelphia in violation of 18 U.S.C. Sec. 594
    The Obama Administration has interfered with, promoted, and/or acted with willful and malignant force in the affairs of a foreign nation, and its political process; i.e – Kenya, Indonesia, Pakistan…et al
    The Obama Adminstration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, provided information, omitted information, and/or mislead the American public in manner that invalidates any person’s security clearance, especially in the office now held;
    The Obama Administration, specifically the President of the United States has demonstrably, and without question, manifests psychological deficiencies that preclude him or anyone displaying such deficiencies and mental disorders of holding any security clearance what-so-ever. He is therefore unfit for duty;
    The Obama Administration has knowingly, willfully, and with malice aforethought, provided information, omitted information, and/or mislead the American public in the use of foreign passports, travel documents, and other Constitutionally important documents concerning foreign citizenship, foreign travel, and foreign allegiances;
    Mr. Obama, has employed the use of falsified documents, obtained false documents, employed deceptive measures to secure such, and has committed fraud of the American public. i.e. – Multiple Social Security Numbers, one of a person who died before he was born in Connecticut, passports, visas, employment records, financial disclosure statements, and other public domain documents;
    Mr. Obama is unfit for duty as the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, and is unfit to hold clearance for state secrets.
    *******************************************************************************In the next two years I bet even more charges will be added.
    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obama-charges-requiring-investigation

    Steaming pile of insanity from fear mongering nitwits. Birthers are cowards.

  55. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm #

    Bovril: Steve,Wherefor the Amazon forum…..methinks a little Birfoon poking with sticks is called for…………….>8-)

    Bovril here’s a good start
    http://www.amazon.com/tag/barack%20obama/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx17XU95ZE3WLUZ&cdPage=1&newContentNum=13&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3UO4POKCNU9IO&displayType=tagsDetail&newContentID=Mx2SEM7DTPFEORZ

    Check the related threads that Garland is a hack

  56. avatar
    SueDB October 13, 2010 at 3:31 am #

    Steve: Lieutenant Quarles Harris Jr. didn’t make the list?

    It is Leiutenant Qarles Harris Jr. That is his NAME not his occupation. He has nothing to do with the military or police etc.

  57. avatar
    SueDB October 13, 2010 at 3:36 am #

    SueDB:
    It is Leiutenant Qarles Harris Jr.That is his NAME not his occupation.He has nothingto do with the military or police etc.

    Damn miss the u Quarles…oh well

  58. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny October 13, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    SueDB:
    Damn miss the u Quarles…oh well

    Which means you miss out on a bottle of fine port wine. Yes, Quarles Harris is port, strangely enough:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Family_Estates

  59. avatar
    Whatever4 October 13, 2010 at 11:56 pm #

    Paul Pieniezny: Which means you miss out on a bottle of fine port wine. Yes, Quarles Harris is port, strangely enough:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Family_Estates

    Pretty mediocre port, actually — you can get it at Trader Joe’s here in the States. Some of us tried a bottle recently in DC.

  60. avatar
    Majority Will October 14, 2010 at 6:22 am #

    Whatever4:
    Pretty mediocre port, actually — you can get it at Trader Joe’s here in the States. Some of us tried a bottle recently in DC.

    Any port in the storm?

  61. avatar
    Black Lion October 14, 2010 at 10:10 am #

    Birther desperation….Comments from the Post and Fail…

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/10/12/why-bho-cannot-be-a-legal-president/

    Tom says:
    Wednesday, October 13, 2010 at 8:03 AM
    Alexander Smyth, lawyer, born in Ireland, in 1765; died in Washington, D.C., 1830. He came to this country in 1775, settled in Virginia, received an education, studied law, and was admitted to the bar in 1789. He was a member of the U.S. Congress for multiple terms and served in the U.S. Army where he did translation work–French–>English
    . Alexander Smyth (VA) House of Representatives, December 1820:
    “When we apply the term “citizens” to the inhabitants of States, it means those who are members of the political community. The civil law determined the condition of the son by that of the father. A man whose father was not a citizen was allowed to be a perpetual inhabitant, but not a citizen, unless citizenship was conferred on him.”

    Bob1939 says:
    Wednesday, October 13, 2010 at 11:24 AM
    In concert with the above – Piyush Amrit “Bobby” Jindal, who is a heck of a nice guy, a truly fine gentleman, honest and hard working, was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Amar and Raj Jindal, who came to the USA as immigrants from Punjab, India; and as such he is therefore not natural born, nor eligible to be POTUS.

    Army Brat says:
    Tuesday, October 12, 2010 at 11:36 PM
    I recently attended a local townhall meeting in the DFW area held on August 19, 2010 where Congressman Joe Barton spoke to our local district. Joe spoke for about an hour, primarily

    about Obamacare. He took a few a questions from the crowd afterwards. Blank note cards addressed to Congressman Joe Barton were available to write him questions and turn in to his

    staff afterwards. I wrote my questions on one of these cards. I asked Congressman Barton what was being done to secure Texas’ borders and shouldn’t we follow in the same footsteps as

    the state of Arizona AND why has he not questioned and demanded Barack Obama release his bona fides and prove to the American people that he is elligible to hold the office as POTUS.

    Six weeks later, Mr. Barton answered my letter. He has been a strong supporter of securing our borders and enforcing our current
    immigration laws. It is his comment regarding the eligibility issue that I’d like to share with the P & E staff & readers:
    ———————————————————————————————————————-
    ” Dated September 30, 2010

    Congressman Joe Barton
    Sixth District, Texas
    2109 Rayburn House Office Bldg.
    Washington, DC 20515-4306
    (202) 225-2002
    Fax (202) 225-3052
    http://www.joebarton.house.gov

    …In regards to President Barack Obama’s citizenship status, there are two requirements to become president of the United States: You must be 35 and a natural born U.S.citizen. Many

    people have argued, based on immigration law relating to the transfer of citizenship from either parent when born off of U.S. soil, that President Obama is inelligible to serve as our nation’s

    leader. However, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

    Those born in U.S. territories are automatically considered citizens, Hawaii became a state in 1959. The arguments against Mr. Obama’s citizenship based on his parent’s status are moot,

    since being born on American soil automatically makes President Obama a U.S.citizen.

    Again, thank you for contacting me. I wish you the best of luck in your studies. Please let me know how I may be of further assistance to you.

    Sincerely,

    Joe Barton
    Member of Congress”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    I plan on responding to Joe so your comments and opinions would be appreciated. Thx.

    Texoma says:
    Wednesday, October 13, 2010 at 1:12 PM
    Barton is deliberately confusing the concept of being born a citizen and being born a natural born citizen. There are three ways to be born a citizen, two are by human law, and one is by the laws of nature:

    1. Born in the US – a citizen at birth per the 14th amendment.
    2. Born abroad to one or two US citizens – a citizen at birth by federal statute.
    3. Born in the US to two US citizens – a citizen at birth by the laws of nature.

    Only the citizen at birth by the laws of nature is a natural born citizen.

    Barton is also incorrect when he says there are only two requirements to be President. The 3rd requirement is having been a resident of the US for the last 14 years. Our Founding Fathers understood that foreign influence came not only from birthplace and parents, but also from having lived recently in a foreign country. Hence, the 14-year residency requirement was like a cleansing period — to cleanse a future president from foreign ideas, culture, values, etc.

    CDR Kerchner says:
    Tuesday, October 12, 2010 at 5:53 PM
    I have always believed that the reason the McCain’s team did not use the Vattel legal treatise Section 217 as part of his argument and defense of his “natural born Citizen” status is that the Progressives/Marxists in this nation and especially in the Progressive Caucus could not allow McCain to use the Vattel exceptions without the core, natural law definition of “natural born Citizen” in Section 212 being revealed in the process. Revealing Vattel’s The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law and in particular Section 212 would have brought the Citizenship of the parents being very important to the founders and since Obama’s father was never a U.S. Citizen and not even an immigrant to the USA, the Vattel writings would have eliminated Obama during the public debate of this in the primary season. So McCain and Obama and the RNC and the DNC made a deal. You don’t use Vattel and promise not to mention Obama’s citizenship issues during the campaign and we the Dem and Progressive powers to be in control of the Senate Judiciary Committee will give you this resolution declaring you McCain a “natural born Citizen” with that little lie in there about you being born at a base hospital inside the Canal Zone that did not exist in 1936. They both probably winked at each other and thought no one would be the wiser and they’d both get away with it. And with the RNC and DNC both on board with the usurpation and/or ignoring of Article II of the Constitution, their powerful friends in the main stream media went along with it. Not only did McCain stay quiet on Obama’s citizenship issues, he would not even allow people to mention Obama’s middle name. The gentleman’s club Senate Rules and back room deal were in effect for the campaign after they both secured their respective nominations. And thus their cabal created the worst constitutional crisis since the Civil War. Once Obama is removed from his usurpation of the Oval Office, many heads need to roll in criminal trials for election fraud and misprision of a felony. Read my essays on it hear:

    CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)

  62. avatar
    ballantine October 14, 2010 at 10:21 am #

    Black Lion: Birther desperation….Comments from the Post and Fail…http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/10/12/why-bho-cannot-be-a-legal-president/Tom says:Wednesday, October 13, 2010 at 8:03 AMAlexander Smyth, lawyer, born in Ireland, in 1765; died in Washington, D.C., 1830. He came to this country in 1775, settled in Virginia, received an education, studied law, and was admitted to the bar in 1789. He was a member of the U.S. Congress for multiple terms and served in the U.S. Army where he did translation work–French–>English. Alexander Smyth (VA) House of Representatives, December 1820:“When we apply the term “citizens” to the inhabitants of States, it means those who are members of the political community. The civil law determined the condition of the son by that of the father. A man whose father was not a citizen was allowed to be a perpetual inhabitant, but not a citizen, unless citizenship was conferred on him.”Bob1939 says:Wednesday, October 13, 2010 at 11:24 AMIn concert with the above – Piyush Amrit “Bobby” Jindal, who is a heck of a nice guy, a truly fine gentleman, honest and hard working, was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Amar and Raj Jindal, who came to the USA as immigrants from Punjab, India; and as such he is therefore not natural born, nor eligible to be POTUS.

    Of course, the idiots misread the quote of Smyth as has been pointed out here multiple times. The sentence about the “civil law” started a new paragraph. He was referencing what the rule of the civil law was, not saying we followed such law in America. Later he specifically says children born in this country of aliens were citizens. Duh.

    “Who, then, are citizens of the United States? I would answer, 1st, those subjects of Great Britain who, being entitled to all the rights and privileges of British subjects, became American citizens by the Revolution; 2d, those who were declared citizens, or naturalized by the States, previous to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States; 3d, European foreigners naturalized in conformity to the law of Congress ; and I would add, 4th, the children born in the country of aliens, who were of a description that might have been naturalized.”

    http://books.google.com/books?id=Wr44AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA30&dq=%22The+civil+law+determined+the+condition+of+the+son+by+that+of+the+father.+A+man+whose+father+was+not+a+citizen+%22&hl=en&ei=5g-3TO_IDcH88AbR5sTdCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20civil%20law%20determined%20the%20condition%20of%20the%20son%20by%20that%20of%20the%20father.%20A%20man%20whose%20father%20was%20not%20a%20citizen%20%22&f=false

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    Greg October 14, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    Black Lion: There are three ways to be born a citizen, two are by human law, and one is by the laws of nature:

    This hearkens back to the sacralizing of the Constitution. What is this “law of nature?” Do snakes recognize the difference between a person born in the United States to aliens and one born to citizen parents? Can any birther give an explanation of why the one is different/better than the other than simple hand-waving and chanting “law of nature?” The “national security” argument is silly, so don’t even go there.

    If it’s something intrinsic in human nature, then why do some states even recognize jus soli?

    Is it even something that people would even choose if they were forming a new nation?

    Doesn’t it sound suspiciously like Lamarckism? The parents can pass on an acquired trait to their children? Philosophically, weren’t our founders closer to social darwinists? Those who could survive birth in this new land were the fittest and deserving of the title of True American?

    Why does American exceptionalism color every tea-party/birther meme except this? Oh yeah, I remember, brown men.

    You can say you’re not racists, but “ye shall know them by their fruits.”

  64. avatar
    BatGuano October 14, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

    Black Lion: A man whose father was not a citizen was allowed to be a perpetual inhabitant, but not a citizen,……

    so, being a perpetual inhabitant myself, i would not be able to pass on citizenship to my son because i am not a citizen. then since my son is not a citizen he would not be able to pass on citizenship to his son and so on.

    is it different for mothers and daughters ?

  65. avatar
    Daniel October 14, 2010 at 12:29 pm #

    Greg: What is this “law of nature?”

    It’s a weasel phrase.

    A weasel phrase is one ehich has no intrinsic meaning of it’s own, but can be used to take on any meaning you want it to in order to bolster your political whim.

    A weasel phrase is easy to recognise because it always sounds best when spoken in stentorian tone…

    “The LAW…. of NATURE!!! (Duh Duh Daaaaahhhh)

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    Bovril October 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm #

    Laws of nature

    Gravity Sucks
    Entropy increases
    You will all die
    Governments tax stuff
    Cats throw a hairball at a dinner party
    Birfoons are bigots