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Oldie Kenyan Birth Certificate rumor found

Deep Birther sent me an email about something including the initials “WMR.”  A little digging pointed to me to an iconoclastic journalist named Wayne Madsen, and to a pre-COLB June 9, 2008, article that says Republican operatives in Kenya had found a birth certificate for Barack Obama there.

The Online Journal republished Madsen’s original article from the Wayne Madsen Report, saying:

GOP dirty tricks operatives dispatched to Kenya to dig up any useful “dirt” on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, Jr., and his late Kenyan father Barack Obama, Sr., believe they have found a “smoking gun.” In this case, it is a birth certificate from the Kenyan city of Mombasa registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr., on August 4, 1961. However, the registration is a common practice in African countries whose citizens abroad have families with foreign nationals. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to his Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas, and Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Kenya. Obama’s parents were enrolled at the University of Hawaii. They divorced when Barack Obama was two years old.

No authentic birth certificate from Kenya has ever been published. If President Obama was registered as a foreign birth in Kenya, the place of birth would, of course, say Honolulu. However, I think such a registration is unlikely as President Obama never visited Kenya until an adult.

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53 Responses to Oldie Kenyan Birth Certificate rumor found

  1. avatar
    misha October 16, 2010 at 2:47 pm #

    If I may remind readers, a Kenya birth is physically impossible:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-born-in-kenya-no.html

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    Allen October 16, 2010 at 3:01 pm #

    [The banned James Young, aka James, John, Allen, David, Paul and Tim is hawking the YouTube video below. This video is from September, 2009, but uses the phrase “This week” to make it seem current. The Lucas Smith certificate was demonstrated to be a fake when it was originally filed in the Barnett case in California. Doc C.]

    YouTube – Barack H Obama Born in Kenya The REAL Birth Certificate AT LAST!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql9WpH1Uo24

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    Slartibartfast October 16, 2010 at 3:24 pm #

    I could believe that a Kenyan BC showing Hawaiian birth is possible. The existence of such a document would, in fact, be the smoking gun – proof that the birthers are either incompetent or dishonest (as if we needed any more…)

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    Majority Will October 16, 2010 at 3:29 pm #

    misha: If I may remind readers, a Kenya birth is physically impossible

    Except for the ~39,000,000 natural born Kenyans and their Kenyan families before them?

    (j/k) 😛

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 16, 2010 at 4:36 pm #

    misha: If I may remind readers, a Kenya birth is physically impossible

    Something in the water?

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    Mary Brown October 16, 2010 at 6:03 pm #

    If they had found a certificate that proved a Kenyan birth for President Obama, we would not have elected a President Obama. The Governor of Hawaii initiated a search and reported honestly that the President was born in Hawaii.

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    misha October 16, 2010 at 6:08 pm #

    Allen: The banned James Young, aka James, John, Allen, David, Paul and Tim

    Also, Tom, Dick and Harry.

  8. avatar
    Lupin October 17, 2010 at 3:04 am #

    If I may indulge in a slightly OT bit of speculation…

    One of the reasons why countries like the United States, England and Western Europe enjoy a deserved preeminence in the world order is that various competing economic and political interests worldwide generally trust them, or rather trust their legal and financial systems.

    Let me put it this way: would you trust a court in Moscow or Beijing to fairly adjudicate claims? Probably not. Whether New York and London and Paris are trusted to be rational and fair places to conduct business in.

    The current unraveling of the Mortgage fraud (there’s no other name for it) perpetrated by your banking community with political support and seemingly no oversight or judicial control (even post facto) may well have started an equal unraveling of the faith the international community had in the United States.

    The loud and vocal role of the birther delusion in that context is but one more canary in the mine. As a foreign attorney, I watch them, Sarah Palin, Witchy Witch, etc. — the whole degeneration of American politics into chaos and lunacy, and I seriously ask myself if you are still a country in which it is safe to conduct business.

    I had lunch last week-end with a friend who is one of the top engineers in the Airbus / Aerospatiale Consortium and we discussed this at some length. I rush to add that according to him, American colleagues at Boeing or NASA are also concerned, probably even more so.

    We here make fun of the birthers (myself at the top of the line), but I have to say that in my more serious moments, I see them as one more manifestation of some kind of force pulling the US into chaos. I have no idea what has brought your society to this point: hubris? the weight of empire?

  9. avatar
    ellid October 17, 2010 at 8:09 am #

    Lupin: If I may indulge in a slightly OT bit of speculation…One of the reasons why countries like the United States, England and Western Europe enjoy a deserved preeminence in the world order is that various competing economic and political interests worldwide generally trust them, or rather trust their legal and financial systems.Let me put it this way: would you trust a court in Moscow or Beijing to fairly adjudicate claims?Probably not. Whether New York and London and Paris are trusted to be rational and fair places to conduct business in.The current unraveling of the Mortgage fraud (there’s no other name for it) perpetrated by your banking community with political support and seemingly no oversight or judicial control (even post facto) may well have started an equal unraveling of the faith the international community had in the United States.The loud and vocal role of the birther delusion in that context is but one more canary in the mine. As a foreign attorney, I watch them, Sarah Palin, Witchy Witch, etc. — the whole degeneration of American politics into chaos and lunacy, and I seriously ask myself if you are still a country in which it is safe to conduct business.I had lunch last week-end with a friend who is one of the top engineers in the Airbus / Aerospatiale Consortium and we discussed this at some length. I rush to add that according to him, American colleagues at Boeing or NASA are also concerned, probably even more so.We here make fun of the birthers (myself at the top of the line), but I have to say that in my more serious moments, I see them as one more manifestation of some kind of force pulling the US into chaos. I have no idea what has brought your society to this point:hubris? the weight of empire?

    There’s always been a paranoid element in American politics, dating back as far as the anti-Catholic Know Nothing movement of the early 19th century. Right now it’s prominent at least partially because the Internet has allowed any fool with a modem, a computer, and enough money to register a domain name to set up a web site spouting nonsense. Most Americans are like the engineers at NASA: bewildered, concerned, and wondering what the hell is going on.

    However, a lot of the current malaise can be traced to two factors. First, the modern Republican party is hellbent on destroying the entire social safety net put in place between 1933 and 1964. Social Security, Medicare, child labor laws, domestic violence laws, the Civil Rights Acts guaranteeing equal rights to employment, housing, medical care, and voting – they want all of it gone. Some of them genuinely believe in the Chicago School of economics, many are deluded, but a hard core is selfish enough to think that the Gilded Age was a Golden Age for America. Rampant poverty, a low life expectancy, women dying in childbirth, children maimed in factories, non-whites lynched and expelled from their homes – none of that seems to register. They simply want to return to an imagined Good Old Days when Papa worked and kept his mouth shut, Mama kept the house, and four or five well scrubbed children went to school until they were old to marry (the girls), work in the factory (most of the boys) or go to the local land grant university (the one designated Bright Child who wore glasses and was too uncoordinated and week to work in the factory (male) or too homely to attract a husband (female)).

    Second, the modern Evangelical movement has added an unsavory element of coercive religion to the mix. Not only do these people believe strongly in the imagined Good Old Days, they also believe that the Bible is complete and inerrant in every line – never mind that the Bible as we have it today is the product of 2000 years of writing, editing, interpretation, and translation.

    This in turn leads to the common Evangelical belief that anyone who doesn’t join them in their theological beliefs is actively evil. That means women who aren’t married, gays and lesbians, Christians who don’t agree with them on doctrinal or social matters, college students, scientists, non-Christians (except Jews, who should be converted as quickly as possible and moved to Israel to bring on the Second Coming), intellectuals, and racial minorities who don’t “know their place.” The more extreme evangelicals, such as Geoff Botkin of the hideous Vision Forum, practice what they call “Biblical Patriarchy,” where adult men are in total control of their wives, children, and especially their daughters. They have enormous influence in the greater evangelical community because of their writings, videos, and homeschooling curricula, and are responsible for the attack on science, birth control, and women’s autonomy.

    I’m lucky enough to live in one of the more liberal states in America (Massachusetts), but if we are somehow cursed with President Palin in 2012, that may not be enough. Does anyone know if Canada will give political asylum to American liberals?

    And no. I am not joking.

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    ellid: but if we are somehow cursed with President Palin in 2012, that may not be enough. Does anyone know if Canada will give political asylum to American liberals?

    The real danger is Romney as prez. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    Canada used to have open immigration. When Trudeau was PM, Canada had the Landed Immigrant law. No more. The only country I know of that has open immigration is France, but who wants to live there?

    France has universal health care, 35-hr work week for 40 hours pay, mandatory vacation time, and excellent schools. In other words, they are commies. They also have separation of church and state, which is another sign of godless commies in charge.

    Those poor Jewish people – they know not Jesus. At least they’re good in Israel, so the lord will come back.

    True story: when I was in a coma from the stroke, I heard a man say he wanted to baptize me in case I did not wake up. My wife sent him away. I lost my ticket for a ride to heaven. Aieeeeee………..

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    Lupin October 17, 2010 at 11:29 am #

    Coincidentally enough, Krugman has just written an an article about what I was talking about:

    http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/the-mortgage-morass-krugman/

    It must be what we French call “l’air du temps” (zeitgeist).

    Ellid, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I think we have always known about the Elmer Gantry element, and for more educated watchers, Father Coughlin, etc. But the “serious people” weren’t worried before, because the adults were in charge. Now I detect real concern.

    The mortgage crisis (after Katrina) is more devastating to the perception of your country overseas than the Iraq invasion was/is.

  12. avatar
    misha October 17, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    Lupin: the Iraq invasion was/is

    GW Bush: God told me to invade Iraq.

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    Mary Brown October 17, 2010 at 11:45 am #

    I would argue that there is more to the modern evangelical movement than the people and influences you mention. Why am I able to say so? I am a modern evangelical, with a more liberal political point of view on many issues. For starters, I know many evangelical women who choose to remain unmarried. I work with a couple of them. No, we are not looking for a husband for them. They believe and I believe, that in God’s economy we are given different gifts and different callings. One woman, I know, would laugh at you if she read that. .Let me give you another example. Talking to my pastor about his thoughts on the book, “God Is Not Great” as he carried down a hallway near his church office-in view of everyone I might add. He thought the scholarship was good, but limited to one point of view. There are many views represented in modern evangleical theology. You point to just one. I could go on but talking but many liberals or progressives have chosen to define the modern evangelical movement to suit their own prejudices. It is equally useless to talk to many of my bretheren who have their own set of prejudices. I find both groups similar in many respects. I

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    HORUS October 17, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    misha: France has universal health care, 35-hr work week for 40 hours pay, mandatory vacation time, and excellent schools. In other words, they are commies. They also have separation of church and state, which is another sign of godless commies in charge.

    AND Retirement at age 60!

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    Lupin October 17, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

    HORUS: AND Retirement at age 60!

    For the time being! 🙂

    At the risk of sounding callous, the world doesn’t care too much if the United States are good, democratic, benevolent, etc. It is one of the largest economies of the planet and de facto the only “cop” left on the beat. We just want to trust you. If that trust goes, a lot of things will unravel very quickly.

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    HORUS October 17, 2010 at 12:02 pm #

    “If Rezko becomes a centerpiece of the GOP campaign against Obama, expect Democrats to resurrect John McCain’s role as one of the infamous “Keating Five” US Senators.”

    This line from the original story is amusing, using Rezko was a complete failure for the GOP, no one cared.

    Even the article states born to an American Mother, which would make Obama a citizen no matter where he was born.

    Don’t even try to say that does not equal NBC!

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    Mary Brown: I would argue that there is more to the modern evangelical movement than the people and influences you mention. Why am I able to say so? I am a modern evangelical, with a more liberal political point of view on many issues.

    Mary: you are sincere, but unfortunately, people like you are a tiny minority.

    I wrote many times before: in Anchorage, I met a minister in Palin’s church who demanded I let him baptize me. When I said, “not after Auschwitz” he bellowed at me “Auschwitz was divine retribution because you people have refused to accept god’s only son.” A woman with him told me Jewish people “deserve to suffer.”

    Every evangelical I met here in Philly has told me Israel should expel all Arabs from the West Bank, because “god promised that land to the Jewish people.” Unfortunately, that’s known as ethnic cleansing, and it’s a war crime.

    Evangelicals egg on settlers into violent confrontations with Arabs, in the hope of sparking Armageddon. No turmoil, no Armageddon.

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 12:13 pm #

    HORUS: Don’t even try to say that does not equal NBC!

    You are a commie. Glenn Beck says so.

  19. avatar
    Dave Thomas October 17, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    Lupin: “We here make fun of the birthers (myself at the top of the line), but I have to say that in my more serious moments, I see them as one more manifestation of some kind of force pulling the US into chaos. I have no idea what has brought your society to this point: hubris? the weight of empire?”

    Who was it that said our government would transparent, he would have no lobbyists in his administration, no new taxes for any family making $250,000 annually, put several tax cheats in his cabinet, ensured that his and the Democrat health reform was his and their way with NO amendments by a Republican and against what the public wanted, not to mention the many lies from the Obama administration and you say the US is in chaos. The “Believers” have caused more chaos than the birthers will ever bare.

  20. avatar
    misha October 17, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    Mary Brown: I would argue that there is more to the modern evangelical movement than the people and influences you mention.

    Read this: http://www.theonion.com/articles/are-your-cats-old-enough-to-learn-about-jesus,11206/

    Mary Brown: For starters, I know many evangelical women who choose to remain unmarried.

    Like Katy Perry.

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 12:51 pm #

    Dave Thomas: The “Believers” have caused more chaos than the birthers will ever bare.

    Dave Thomas: how’s Wendy’s?

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    HellT October 17, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    Wayne Madsen is a smelly combination of Walter Fitzpatrick and Lucas Smith. Like Fitzpatrick, he’s a former Navy man who had issues in the service, left the service, and now has a major grievance/obsession with the US gov’t and military. Madsen believes his naval career was thwarted by a secret pedophile ring within the service.

    One of Madsen’s former fake stories was about an alleged massive conspiracy to rig voting machines. He proudly brandished evidence for his bombshell claim: a $29 million check that was the payoff to an offshore trust supposedly linked to Dumbya.
    Problem was, the check turned out to be a forgery. Paging Lucas Smith…

  23. avatar
    Majority Will October 17, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

    misha:
    Dave Thomas: how’s Wendy’s?

    And Bob & Doug.

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    Mary Brown October 17, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    Misha, Misha, There you go again. I assure you I am not part of a tiny minority, not at all. Nor is my pastor. Your experiences are tiny in number compared with mine. I have lived as a Christian for 32 years and I assure you I know a lot more about what is going on than you do. Some of it sickens me. I see Christians making an idol of their country and flag. That really sickens me. I could go on. Sometimes, though, we see what we want. Look up Francis Chan. You won’t agree with him, I agree but it just might expand your horizons.

  25. avatar
    Loren October 17, 2010 at 2:57 pm #

    A couple of important things about Madsen:

    First, as noted above, he’s quite the conspiracy theorist. He’s a 9/11 Truther, for instance. So he’s prone to reporting wild claims.

    Second, he’s no Birther. To the contrary, he thinks Birthers are pretty silly and stupid. As you can tell from the excerpt above, his claim was that a document was found in Kenya regarding Obama’s birth, NOT that that document said Obama was born IN Kenya. See how he immediately and conclusively affirms that Obama was born in Hawaii, and explains why such a document (which never actually materialized) might exist.

    Third, this article of Madsen’s was cited in Phil Berg’s original complaint. And if you look back at that Complaint, the Madsen article is, amazingly enough, the BEST source Berg cites. Which is just a way of damning with faint praise, because Berg’s other sources were all unspecified internet rumors, Wikipedia pages, and bogus “experts.”

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 3:20 pm #

    Mary Brown: I see Christians making an idol of their country and flag.

    When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross. – Sinclair Lewis

    Also: http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/08/coincidence.html

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    Dr. Conspiracy October 17, 2010 at 3:54 pm #

    misha: Mary: you are sincere, but unfortunately, people like you are a tiny minority.

    It’s not like Alice in Wonderland. Saying something doesn’t make it so.

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 4:38 pm #

    Mary Brown: Misha, Misha, There you go again.

    Article VII of the US Constitution recognizes Jesus Christ as our Lord – Sharron Angle

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/06/independent_american_party_petition.php

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    Majority Will October 17, 2010 at 5:04 pm #

    misha:
    When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross. – Sinclair LewisAlso:http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/08/coincidence.html

    Have you ever seen Morgan Spurlock’s 30 Days?

    There are some great lessons in tolerance for lifestyles, religion and status. I recommend it for Mary and everyone else as well.

    It’s on iTunes (or Amazon and a few free on Hulu and elsewhere.).

    Not to preach at all – just some interesting lessons from people who suddenly have to learn to live like the people they question or despise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Days_(TV_series)

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    Keith October 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm #

    Lupin: It must be what we French call “l’air du temps” (zeitgeist).

    That used to be my wife’s favorite perfume until you guys bombed Auckland harbor and murdered Fernando Pereira,

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    Keith October 17, 2010 at 5:25 pm #

    misha:
    Article VII of the US Constitution recognizes Jesus Christ as our Lord – Sharron Anglehttp://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/06/independent_american_party_petition.php

    Wow. Just wow.

    This is the entire text of Ariticle VII:


    The ratification of the conventions of nine states, shall be sufficient for the establishment of this Constitution between the states so ratifying the same.

  32. avatar
    Keith October 17, 2010 at 5:30 pm #

    misha:
    Article VII of the US Constitution recognizes Jesus Christ as our Lord – Sharron Anglehttp://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/06/independent_american_party_petition.php

    Is that real or a hoax?

    I just can’t believe anyone, even Angle, could be that stupid and still remember how to breathe regularly.

  33. avatar
    Keith October 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    It’s not like Alice in Wonderland. Saying something doesn’t make it so.

    I see what you did there.

    I think.

  34. avatar
    misha October 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm #

    misha: Article VII of the US Constitution recognizes Jesus Christ as our Lord – Sharron Angle

    Keith: Is that real or a hoax?

    It’s real, and Sharron Angle signed it. You can see her signature for yourself.

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/06/independent_american_party_petition.php

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    jamese777 October 17, 2010 at 6:11 pm #

    Psst..you forgot the “Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names.” part.

    Its the “In The Year of Our Lord” part that she is referring to.

  36. avatar
    dunstvangeet October 17, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    Jamese777, that’s not part of Article VII of the Constitution.

    Article VII states exactly what it states. It goes into affect with 9 states ratifying it. What you’re referring to are the referred to as the “Signatories” of the Constitution…

    Now, the phrase that they’re referring to appears in the Constitution once in the version of “In the year of our Lord”. This is an English translation of the Latin Phrase “Anno Domini”. Anno Domini is often referred to as “A.D.”

  37. avatar
    Daniel October 17, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    jamese777: Its the “In The Year of Our Lord” part that she is referring to.

    Yes because a polite written language convention is more than enough to establish a direct link to a religion or specific diety.

    So I’m assuming that you, in the same vein, dedicate the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th day of every week to the worship of Norse Gods?

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    Dave October 17, 2010 at 8:47 pm #

    jamese777: Its the “In The Year of Our Lord” part that she is referring to.

    Wow… so anyone who agrees that the year is 2010 is automatically a Christian?

    What happened to the part about accepting Jesus as your Savior?

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 8:49 pm #

    Daniel: So I’m assuming that you, in the same vein, dedicate the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th day of every week to the worship of Norse Gods?

    I don’t know about you, but I do.

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 9:03 pm #

    dunstvangeet: Anno Domini is often referred to as “A.D.”

    I write dates as “BCE,” and “CE.” So this would be 2010 CE. Dates during Biblical times, I would write as 100 BCE.

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    Black Lion October 17, 2010 at 9:37 pm #

    More nonsense…

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/long-form-bc-from-hawaii-yes-one-can-america-awaits-mr-barry

    Well Kittens. A long form Hawaiian birth certificate can absolutely be had if you specifically request it.

    Here ya go. I provided a transcript for the woman, I could not make out what the man was saying. The recording device has marginal audio capabilities, so if you want to hear what the woman says, you will need to crank it up. I do not have the equipment to extract the mans words, or clean up the audio so that you can more easily hear the woman. Although you do not hear the part where she makes the request for the long form, the fact that she did so is made clear by her comments…

    Video below, complete details and much more info/commentary at source;

    http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/some-tropical-truth

  42. avatar
    Black Lion October 17, 2010 at 9:58 pm #

    More Tea Party Hilarity….

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/matt-taibbi/blogs/TaibbiData_May2010/218982/83512

    From the article…

    “Back in June, Miller was saying this about his Republican primary opponent Lisa Murkowski, blasting her for supporting a state health care program:

    As you are aware, just last week the Anchorage Daily News reported that the Denali KidCare Program funded 662 abortions last year. Senator Murkowski has been a champion of this program, voting against the majority of her Republican colleagues for CHIPRA (HR 2) in January of 2009.

    Of course it now turns out that back in the Nineties, Miller himself and his three children (with one on the way; he now has eight) were at one point receiving assistance via a program almost exactly like the Denali KidCare program, which is only for low-income earners. Various reports note that Miller received this assistance after he’d bought a house and been hired by a prestigious law firm; he also got low-income hunting and fishing licenses during that time. It’s also come out that he received some $7,000 in farm subsidies and that his wife received unemployment insurance benefits.

    So now of course Miller, who said he and his family “absolutely” used Alaska’s state medical program, is backtracking and saying that he’s not against the modern Denali Kidcare program, only against the “expansion” of it. But even more telling was his longer answer about the program, as reported in the Anchorage Daily News:

    Miller said what he’s advocating is complete state control of the programs. “That doesn’t mean we cut off the programs. That is ultimately a state decision. And I think there is a use; in fact the most effective use is probably those programs that help transition the populations from more of a situation of dependency” to one where they can be economically independent, Miller said.

    You see, when a nice white lawyer with a GI Joe beard uses state aid to help him through tough times and get over the hump – so that he can go from having three little future Medicare-collecting Republican children to eight little future Medicare-collecting Republican children – that’s a good solid use of government aid, because what we’re doing is helping someone “transition” from dependency to economic independence.

    This of course is different from the way other, less GI-Joe-looking people use government aid, i.e. as a permanent crutch that helps genetically lazy and ambitionless parasites mooch off of rich white taxpayers instead of getting real jobs.”

  43. avatar
    misha October 17, 2010 at 10:05 pm #

    Black Lion: when a nice white lawyer with a GI Joe beard uses state aid to help him through tough times and get over the hump

    Conservatives are a bunch of effing hypocrites. Except Palin. Her high school drop-out daughter’s pregnancy was the lord’s testing of them.

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP October 17, 2010 at 10:34 pm #

    Black Lion: More Tea Party Hilarity….http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/matt-taibbi/blogs/TaibbiData_May2010/218982/83512From the article…“Back in June, Miller was saying this about his Republican primary opponent Lisa Murkowski, blasting her for supporting a state health care program:As you are aware, just last week the Anchorage Daily News reported that the Denali KidCare Program funded 662 abortions last year. Senator Murkowski has been a champion of this program, voting against the majority of her Republican colleagues for CHIPRA (HR 2) in January of 2009.Of course it now turns out that back in the Nineties, Miller himself and his three children (with one on the way; he now has eight) were at one point receiving assistance via a program almost exactly like the Denali KidCare program, which is only for low-income earners. Various reports note that Miller received this assistance after he’d bought a house and been hired by a prestigious law firm; he also got low-income hunting and fishing licenses during that time. It’s also come out that he received some $7,000 in farm subsidies and that his wife received unemployment insurance benefits.So now of course Miller, who said he and his family “absolutely” used Alaska’s state medical program, is backtracking and saying that he’s not against the modern Denali Kidcare program, only against the “expansion” of it. But even more telling was his longer answer about the program, as reported in the Anchorage Daily News:Miller said what he’s advocating is complete state control of the programs. “That doesn’t mean we cut off the programs. That is ultimately a state decision. And I think there is a use; in fact the most effective use is probably those programs that help transition the populations from more of a situation of dependency” to one where they can be economically independent, Miller said.You see, when a nice white lawyer with a GI Joe beard uses state aid to help him through tough times and get over the hump – so that he can go from having three little future Medicare-collecting Republican children to eight little future Medicare-collecting Republican children – that’s a good solid use of government aid, because what we’re doing is helping someone “transition” from dependency to economic independence.This of course is different from the way other, less GI-Joe-looking people use government aid, i.e. as a permanent crutch that helps genetically lazy and ambitionless parasites mooch off of rich white taxpayers instead of getting real jobs.”

    Looks like it’s time I make an appearance, Lion. Doesn’t look so bad there right now, but I have three rounds in the chamber just in case.

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP October 17, 2010 at 10:35 pm #

    Black Lion: More nonsense…http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/long-form-bc-from-hawaii-yes-one-can-america-awaits-mr-barryWell Kittens. A long form Hawaiian birth certificate can absolutely be had if you specifically request it.Here ya go. I provided a transcript for the woman, I could not make out what the man was saying. The recording device has marginal audio capabilities, so if you want to hear what the woman says, you will need to crank it up. I do not have the equipment to extract the mans words, or clean up the audio so that you can more easily hear the woman. Although you do not hear the part where she makes the request for the long form, the fact that she did so is made clear by her comments…Video below, complete details and much more info/commentary at source;http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/some-tropical-truth

    Crap. I meant to respond to this one, Lion

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    misha October 17, 2010 at 10:45 pm #

    Mary Brown: Misha, Misha, There you go again.

    Sharron Angle: We support the Liberty Amendment. The Liberty Amendment will compel the Federal Government to halt its unconstitutional programs such as foreign aid and welfare. It will prohibit the financing of the New World Order with American taxes. It will abolish the Marxist graduated income tax, and the fearful IRS.

    Article and links:
    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/10/sharron-angle-christofascist-and.html

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    Dr. Conspiracy October 17, 2010 at 11:32 pm #

    jamese777: Its the “In The Year of Our Lord” part that she is referring to.

    The Treaty of Paris, which concluded the Revolutionary War was made in the name of the Trinity.

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    ellid October 17, 2010 at 11:39 pm #

    Mary Brown: I would argue that there is more to the modern evangelical movement than the people and influences you mention.Why am I able to say so?I am a modern evangelical, with a moreliberal political point of view on many issues.For starters, I know many evangelical women who choose to remain unmarried.I work with a couple of them. No, we are not looking for a husband for them.They believe and I believe, that in God’s economy we are given different gifts and different callings.One woman, I know, would laugh at you if she read that. .Let me give you another example.Talking to my pastor about his thoughts on the book, “God Is Not Great” as he carried down a hallway near his church office-in view of everyone I might add.He thought the scholarship was good, but limited to one point of view. There are many views represented in modern evangleical theology. You point to just one. I could go on but talking but many liberals or progressiveshave chosen to define the modern evangelical movement to suit their own prejudices.It is equally useless to talk to many of my bretheren who have their own set of prejudices.I find both groups similar in many respects. I

    I’m well aware that there are liberal evangelicals, like Jim Wallis and others. I went to Hartford Seminary with several of them. Unfortunately, they are not nearly as influential politically or socially as Rick Warren, James Dobson, Albert Mohler, the LaHayes, or the people connected with the Brownsville Revival, not to mention Pat Robertson or the disciples of the late Christian Reconstructionist RJ Rushdoony. Jim Wallis and other evangelical liberals are good and worthy folk, but they’re not shaping evangelical discourse the way that the politically and socially conservative wing of the movement.

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    ellid October 17, 2010 at 11:41 pm #

    Dave Thomas: Lupin: “We here make fun of the birthers (myself at the top of the line), but I have to say that in my more serious moments,I see them as one more manifestation of some kind of force pulling the US into chaos. I have no idea what has brought your society to this point: hubris? the weight of empire?”Who was it that said our government would transparent, he would have no lobbyists in his administration, no new taxes for any family making $250,000 annually, put several tax cheats in his cabinet, ensured that his and the Democrat health reform was his and their way with NO amendments by a Republican and against what the public wanted, not to mention the many lies from the Obama administration and you say the US is in chaos.The “Believers” have caused more chaos than the birthers will ever bare.

    Go make me a burger, and stop with the sockpuppets. Thank you.

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    ellid October 17, 2010 at 11:43 pm #

    misha:
    I write dates as “BCE,” and “CE.” So this would be 2010 CE. Dates during Biblical times, I would write as 100 BCE.

    That’s the accepted academic formulation at this time. It stands for “Common Era” and “Before the Common Era.”

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    Lupin October 18, 2010 at 3:24 am #

    Keith: That used to be my wife’s favorite perfume until you guys bombed Auckland harbor and murdered Fernando Pereira,

    And sadly, that’s only the top of the iceberg, but I won’t launch into an exposé of French dirty tricks in Africa and North Africa over the last 50+ years.

    Let’s remember that if your dirty tricksters had listened to our dirty tricksters, you might have avoided 9/11.

    That said, it’s rather silly for your wife not to enjoy her favorite perfume; it’d be as if I refused to watch LOST or SMALLVILLE because of what you guys did in Iraq. Let’s keep a sense of proportions.

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    Keith October 18, 2010 at 4:36 am #

    Lupin: That said, it’s rather silly for your wife not to enjoy her favorite perfume; it’d be as if I refused to watch LOST or SMALLVILLE because of what you guys did in Iraq. Let’s keep a sense of proportions.

    Well there is also the fact that in Australia, l’air du temp seems to be a reasonable facsimile of unobtainium these days, means she has used something else for quite a few years.