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It’s not the end of the world

Belief in the imminent end of the world has been widespread for perhaps the last 2200 years, and not confined just to the lunatic fringe. Cromwell, Newton, Milton and Luther are examples of notable figures who looked for the end soon. Literally hundreds of predictions for particular dates for the end have been made and have passed. Masses of people have sold their worldly possessions and gone up to the mountain, or out into the field to await the end, only to be met by another dawn just like the one before it. Despite disappointment after disappointment, predictions continue, and apocalyptic end time beliefs persist.

I bring this up for its parallel to the birther movement, itself full of predictions that this is the lawsuit that will have standing; Obama will be carried out of the White House in chains within a month; there will be a popular uprising of the people and the military; and the truth will be uncovered at last. These predictions and hopes have been met with disappointment after disappointment. All the lawsuits have been dismissed, all the Kenyan birth certificates have been proven frauds, and now Terry Lakin pleads guilty and goes to jail.

One need look no further than the economic bubbles of the past to see irrational exuberance and speculation lead to disappointment–only with conspiracy theories, the bubble never has to burst.

I say all this to explain why I believe the birther movement, post Terry Lakin, will be very much like the birther movement before him. The particular item the birthers will tie their hopes to will change, but the hope itself will not. There neither is any reason for folks like me to believe that this defeat, this dismissal and this irrefutable hard evidence will shut the birthers up either. Belief in such things is not rational, but it is very human.

120 Responses to It’s not the end of the world

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    misha December 19, 2010 at 8:57 pm #

    The earth will burn up in 2011:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubereye/3611738524/

    Repent!!

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    Daniel December 19, 2010 at 9:32 pm #

    Welcome friends, to another episode of “As the TEOTWAWKI turns”.
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    This week’s episode finds us at the Royal Mayan Observatory, where a scribe works feverishly on calculations for the Mayan Illustrated Swimsuit calendar. We now join the episode, in progress…
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    Master Quezawhatchmacallit: “Well scribe, how goes the calculations?”
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    Scribe Totequawhosawhatsit: “Not too bad Master, but I have to say I’m getting very weary of doing nothing but complex, exacting, astronomical calculations. I nearly tore my groin picking up the compass stone yesterday”
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    Master Quezawhatchmacallit: “Ummm, that stone is over three tons. We have a moving company to do that.”
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    Scribe Totequawhosawhatsit: “I wish you’d told me that before I did my nails. Anyways, I really would like to get away from this for awhile, take a break, maybe take in the Pan-mesoAmerican Ti Pitziil championships? I promise I will definitely get back to it right after the game, or may Vucub Hunahpu tear out my heart and feed it to Xbalanque!”
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    Master Quezawhatchmacallit: “Oh please, like he isn’t going to anyways.. Still lets see what you’ve done so far. What date are you up to now?”
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    Scribe Totequawhosawhatsit: “Ummm, let’s see… three turns of the Inner Wheel, circumnavigate the Well of Souls, second planting of the Purple Potatoes, carry the three…. here we are. 2012, December 21.”
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    Master Quezawhatchmacallit: “2012? Oi Von Daniken! What ever possessed you to go all the way to 2012? Do you know how many slaves we’ll have to sacrifice? Why didn’t you stop at, oh 1600 or so?”
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    Scribe Totequawhosawhatsit: “I’m a bureaucrat. They told me to start, but nobody told me to stop. Oh BTW, you owe me for overtime… 25years straight.”
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    Master Quezawhatchmacallit: “I’ll have to consult the collective agreement. In the meantime, put down that chisel and get your loincloth. You’ve done enough on that calendar for this year’s budget.There’ll be a whole new priesthood before that one needs updating again. You and I, we’re going to play some golf.”
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    Scribe Totequawhosawhatsit: “But Master, what if someone asks why we stop here? Why 2012? Why December 21? What do we tell them?”
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    Master Quezawhatchmacallit: “What we tell them is, we tell them nothing. Executive privilege, mysteries of the Gods, whatever. It’s none of their business. It’s not like it’s the end of the world.”
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    Scribe Totequawhosawhatsit: “I like the way you think. Umm, just one more question, Master…”
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    Master Quezawhatchmacallit: “Whaaat… always with the questions. What is it now?
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    Scribe Totequawhosawhatsit: “Master…. what is…. golf?”
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    2001 Daniel Van Koughnett. All rights reserved

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    gorefan December 19, 2010 at 9:44 pm #

    I’ve always liked the Millerites and the “Great Disappointment”.

  4. avatar
    Steve December 19, 2010 at 11:05 pm #

    And I feel fine.

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    Dave December 19, 2010 at 11:36 pm #

    I was surprised by the attempts at character assassination aimed at Dwight Sullivan, by ORYR, Dr. Kate, and probably others. I mean, what did he do to earn this ire? He clearly did not cause LTC Lakin’s birther defense to fail. He just expressed his informed opinion that it would. And he was right. Is this all it takes for some of these birthers to get their panties in a bunch?

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    euphgeek December 20, 2010 at 12:35 am #

    The site Alma-Geddon.com has a list of many end of the world predictions done in a humorous way. Here’s his entry on the Great Disappointment:

    “October 22, 1844 CE – …as the really-and-for-true date for Christ’s encore performance. The explanation for this date wasn’t any better than the explanation for the first one. Something to do with the vagaries of math and all them funny Jew dates, don’cha know. The Millerites didn’t; but by now, they were willing to accept just about anything. The few, the proud, the marooned were starting to get seriously worried. They weren’t alone, either. Miller, himself, began to take on an almost childlike desperation in his letters and his sermons, all but threatening to cry if God didn’t come through this time.

    Over-compensation being what it is, the pray-ers and the leapers and do-it-yourself-paupers just re-doubled their lunatic efforts. The histrionics escalated as the countdown counted down and by the morning of October the 22nd, tens of thousands of Rapture-ready Millerites were clustered together, arms outstretched and waiting to be cleared for take-off… As they were by lunchtime… and through the afternoon… and evening… and on into the night.

    When dawn on the 23rd arrived without a single airborne believer to be found, the results were not pretty. The ensuing mass nervous breakdown came to be demurely referred to as, “The Great Disappointment”. And one can hardly blame them. I mean, it must be an awful letdown; to spend years thinking you had prime balcony seats for the damnation of all your infidel friends and neighbors, only to find out at the last minute that the show’s been canceled on account of reality. Now, that’s gotta hurt. While it didn’t spell doom for the planet, it most assuredly printed it out in big, block letters for Miller and his “ism”. Both of which faded into tearful obscurity and died… Or, at least, Miller did.”

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    G December 20, 2010 at 1:59 am #

    euphgeek: The site Alma-Geddon.com has a list of many end of the world predictions done in a humorous way. Here’s his entry on the Great Disappointment:

    Yeah, I’d been to that site before. It hasn’t really been updated in quite a long time, it seems. Too bad. Was good for following the crazy doomsayers of past & present.

    “The Great Disappointment” has to be one of the most hilarious EPIC FAIL moments of all time! LMAO! With all the hype, It will be interesting to see if 2012 can exceed that in EPIC FAIL end times predictions. Should be fun in 2013 to look back and laugh at all the disappointed and confused nuts…. those that don’t go off doing something dangerously and harmfully stupid to try to bring about their wacky ideas, of course.

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    obsolete December 20, 2010 at 2:00 am #

    Dave: I was surprised by the attempts at character assassination aimed at Dwight Sullivan, by ORYR, Dr. Kate, and probably others. I mean, what did he do to earn this ire? He clearly did not cause LTC Lakin’s birther defense to fail. He just expressed his informed opinion that it would. And he was right. Is this all it takes for some of these birthers to get their panties in a bunch?

    Just like the birthers turned their wrath against Maj. Dobson after he was called to testify how he had to take the birfoon Lakin’s place on short notice, and encountered difficulties treating a large attack against our troops due to Lakin’s absence.
    Maj. Dobson and the wounded soldiers he treated are heroes. Lakin- not so much.

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    G December 20, 2010 at 2:11 am #

    misha: The earth will burn up in 2011:http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubereye/3611738524/Repent!!

    LMAO! Yeah, I’ve heard other 2011 rumblings from some of the doomsayer nuts. Some cult trying to bring attention to May 2011 is one that sticks out in memory.

    I guess these are folks that are just too impatient to go along with the rest of the end-timers calling for 12/21/12…or they just want to get to the “end” first, I guess. Similar to unhappy birthers that just can’t hold off until 2012 to try to vote for someone else.

    Well, listening to the news on the DPRK tensions right now… I guess there are possible events out there that could lead to regional devastation in a worst-case scenario. Still don’t think it could bring about “the end of the world”.

    The only other plausible scenario I could see for next year is if a massive solar flare ended up causing massive brown outs and frying a lot of tech. Still, other than causing short-term chaos and disruption and economic damage to stock markets around the globe… such a scenario would merely result in a messy setback for civilization; but one that could be recovered from.

    So, even looking at any potentially realistic scenario’s of military flareups (or solar ones) or heck – even a widespread global pandemic, I see results that could lead to really bad times, but certainly not end times.

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    Lupin December 20, 2010 at 2:27 am #

    G: Well, listening to the news on the DPRK tensions right now… I guess there are possible events out there that could lead to regional devastation in a worst-case scenario. Still don’t think it could bring about “the end of the world”.

    The weird thing is, as any astronomer knows, it would take just a single gamma ray pulse traveling through the cosmos as a result of a supernova intersecting Earth to kill us all in a microsecond, like a candle being blown.

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    richCares December 20, 2010 at 2:36 am #

    birtherdom and especially the Lakin case proves the point that hating Obama causes brain damage. You can get more rational thought from an insane asylum rather than birferstan.

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    misha December 20, 2010 at 2:42 am #

    richCares: You can get more rational thought from an insane asylum rather than birferstan.

    Welcome to Birfistan:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2009/08/welcome-to-birfistan.html

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    G December 20, 2010 at 2:49 am #

    Lupin:
    The weird thing is, as any astronomer knows, it would take just a single gamma ray pulse traveling through the cosmos as a result of a supernova intersecting Earth to kill us all in a microsecond, like a candle being blown.

    True, but if any cosmic event of that magnitude hit, we wouldn’t have any advance notice and we’d be completely destroyed before we could even realize what was happening…

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    euphgeek December 20, 2010 at 7:49 am #

    G:
    Yeah, I’d been to that site before.It hasn’t really been updated in quite a long time, it seems.Too bad.Was good for following the crazy doomsayers of past & present.

    Yeah, I know. But there’s really not much reason to update it, either. All the future predictions are written as if they didn’t happen anyway and any new predictions would be given pretty much the same treatment.

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    Dave December 20, 2010 at 8:46 am #

    I wonder what the birthers will find to talk about now. I suppose they can follow the appeal of LTC Lakin’s dismissal, though I expect that the court filings will be birther-less. Taitz’s case will be gone soon, though she’s trying to drag it out with a supplemental filing. Some birthers are expecting Congressional investigations to start in January, but I’m expecting them to be disappointed. Or rather, I expect there will be no investigation of eligibility — whether the birthers are disappointed depends on how they spin and rationalize that to themselves.

    So while the birthers will still be here, looks to me like they’ll soon run out of current events to focus on.

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    Dave December 20, 2010 at 8:54 am #

    Lupin:
    The weird thing is, as any astronomer knows, it would take just a single gamma ray pulse traveling through the cosmos as a result of a supernova intersecting Earth to kill us all in a microsecond, like a candle being blown.

    Part of this story must be missing — we get gamma ray pulses all the time, and we’re still here. You must mean an extremely nearby supernova.

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 9:27 am #

    Good old insane former Cmmdr. Kerchner’s most recent nonsense….

    “If an appeal is filed it should not be by Atty Neal Puckett, imo. It should be filed by a team of new lawyers with proven expertise in military law (UCMJ) and also constitutional rights cases in the civil courts. And they should be well financed and backed. Who that team will be and who will finance them I do not know. But Neal Puckett is not the person to handle the appeal. Imo, he does not believe in the fundamental facts in this issue, i.e., that Obama has NOT conclusively proven that he was born in Hawaii and that even if he was Obama is NOT an natural born Citizen of the USA to constitutional standards and that it is an officer’s duty to stand up and ask questions and support and defend that constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Neal Puckett was trying Lt Col Dr Lakin under the oath for an enlisted man, not an officer. The sole and prime directive of a commissioned officer is to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Obama is a domestic enemy of our constitution. Obama is exactly the type person that they did not want as a future president and commander of the military. The oath given to military officers was intended to be the last ditch defense against a foreign usurper some how duping to public to elect him and getting into office. The worst nightmares of the founders and framers have come true with the swearing in of Barack Obama, aka Barry Soetoro. The 2008 election was the Perfect Storm for a Constitutional Crisis. We are now in one up to our necks. All our institutions including the Supreme Court and military have been compromised and brain washed by progressive ideas and political correctness and they have lost sight of the founding documents and their true meaning and intent. Our only hope at this point is that the new House of Reps and new Congress will at some point address this matter either directly head on or tangentially with the “Al Capone strategy” type criminal charges type attack on Mr. Zero to remove Obama. I prefer head on. But I think the RNC establishment are still a bunch of cowards and also were very much part of the conspiracy to subvert and ignore the Constitution in 2008 so they too are still in the CYA mode to this day.

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/01/i-believe-fix-was-in-for-2008-election.html

    CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 9:31 am #

    Dave: I was surprised by the attempts at character assassination aimed at Dwight Sullivan, by ORYR, Dr. Kate, and probably others. I mean, what did he do to earn this ire? He clearly did not cause LTC Lakin’s birther defense to fail. He just expressed his informed opinion that it would. And he was right. Is this all it takes for some of these birthers to get their panties in a bunch?

    Dave, agreed. For instance look at the following exchange over at the so called “Dr kate’s” blog…

    Tracy
    December 19, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    CDR Kerchner,

    I understand that Dwight Sullivan and Phil Cave both possess “proven expertise in military law (UCMJ) and also constitutional rights cases in the civil courts.”

    December 19, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Too bad both of them guffawed at the proceedings and are incompetent on the subject of natural born citizenship

    CDR Kerchner
    December 19, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    Tracy,

    I said a team of lawyers to file and appeal and defend Terry and his actions and honor, not hang him out to dry a second time.

    CDR Kerchner (Ret)

    CDR Kerchner
    December 19, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    And besides … LTC Sullivan has demonstrated to my face and the witnesses that he cannot handle stress, even stress that he himself creates.

    CDR Kerchner (Ret)

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/military-court-hears-doubts-of-obamas-eligibility/

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 9:34 am #

    Hilarious article…

    Diana West: Army surgeon’s challenge to Obama remains despite guilty plea
    12/18/10 8:05 PM SNIPS

    But Lakin put his life, in the sense of his distinguished 17-year career as an Army surgeon, his income, his pension, and his personal freedom, on the line because of his sworn duty to the U.S. Constitution.

    All members of the US military take the following oath: “I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against
    all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. …”

    To Lakin, the words “true faith and allegiance” were a call to action. And so, because the current president of the United States has never released the paperwork necessary to establish his legitimacy as a “natural-born citizen,” Lakin took action.

    On the contrary, it leaves the question in boldface: What could possibly prevent the president from showing the American people his original, 1961 birth certificate?

    What remains to be seen is whether there exists any authority, any leader in this whole country with the courage of a Terry Lakin to ask.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2010/12/diana-west-army-surgeons-challenge-obama-remains-despite-guilty-plea#ixzz18am1sOE

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 9:38 am #

    Dave: I wonder what the birthers will find to talk about now. I suppose they can follow the appeal of LTC Lakin’s dismissal, though I expect that the court filings will be birther-less. Taitz’s case will be gone soon, though she’s trying to drag it out with a supplemental filing. Some birthers are expecting Congressional investigations to start in January, but I’m expecting them to be disappointed. Or rather, I expect there will be no investigation of eligibility — whether the birthers are disappointed depends on how they spin and rationalize that to themselves.So while the birthers will still be here, looks to me like they’ll soon run out of current events to focus on.

    Dave, you would think so. But the birthers continue to recycle the same discredited info and pretend that it is real…for instance the following…

    By: bsteadman
    Dec 19, 2010 9:00 AM
    From the article, — “What could possibly prevent the president from showing the American people his original, 1961 birth certificate?” —

    Excellent question, and the shameful answer is — Mr. Obama most likely can not do this because it would reveal some fact relating to his birth narrative, which he wishes to keep hidden from the American people.

    Barack Obama was born August 4, 1961 at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii as he claims. A high resolution copy of his Kenyan birth certificate is available for free download at WasObamaBornInKenya.com.

    As you state regarding Mr. Obama’s choice to keep his long-form birth certificate hidden, it “remains to be seen …whether there exists any authority, any leader in this whole country with the courage of a Terry Lakin to ask.” Let me add; the question also remains as to whether there is a large enough fraction of the American public willing to put sufficient pressure on their leaders to begin a thorough investigation of this matter.

    Tragically, we now have all three branches of government, the executive, the legislative, and the judicial, plus the military all failing to investigate a bold challenge to a very clear Constitutional requirement for the highest office in the country. If an important and clearly stated requirement for POTUS eligibility is allowed to be ignored, which Constitutional rights of the American people are still to be considered sacred?

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2010/12/diana-west-army-surgeons-challenge-obama-remains-despite-guilty-plea#ixzz18f9KwkKv

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    Bovril December 20, 2010 at 9:44 am #

    Poor old Kerchner, delusional as always, supported by the foul Dr Kate

    A statement I tend to believe that is tied rather more closely to reality comes from Sullivan himself.

    http://www.caaflog.com/2010/12/17/okay-one-more-lakin-post/#comment-23893

    Dr. Kate got more wrong than right — though I did engage in an unwise confrontation with CDR Kerchner and when I returned to my seat, I did say to Phil Cave that I was embarrassed and ashamed at my own behavior. So here’s Dr. Kate’s account, with corrections in brackets:

    Col. Sullivan, of the blog CAAFlog and an Army Reserve officer [wrong; USMCR}, sat in the courtroom with his citizenship manual [wrong; MCM] and dishonestly argued that the 14th amendment allowed Obama to be a natural born citizen’. [wrong; not “dishonestly”] I am sure many of you have seen his derogatory posts ridiculing Lakin, the Article II Constitutionalists, and the entire question of Hussein’s ineligibility. It was quite something to sit next to him as he and his partner Phil Cave guffawed at the entire proceedings [wrong; neither Phil nor I guffawed; unlike the birthers, we did not express any approval or disapproval during court-martial proceedings], especially when it came to attacking Lakin.

    As he pointlessly argued his case for a 14th amendment citizen being a natural born citizen [RIGHT — it was pointless to discuss the issue with the birthers and I regret having done so], Commander (Ret.) Charles Kerchner leaned over and suggested he was being intellectually dishonest [true]. Suddenly, Sullivan lost his cool [I regret to admit, also true; I take exception too easily to challenges to my integrity], climbed over me and others sitting next to him [wrong; I went in front of them because they were in the row and I couldn’t get to the aisle without going in front of them], yelling at Kerchner, “SIR. SIR.” [probably true; I’m not sure I yelled, but I probably did.} His aggressive behavior would have trampled anyone in his way [my behavior would have trampled somone? Uhm, no. I wouldn’t have either].

    Sullivan confronted Kerchner toe to toe, and face to face [true], pointing and yelling about the accusation of his ‘honesty’ and intellect’ being questioned. Fingers flying, red faces, and the Commander did not back down. Instead, in a delicious exchange where Kerchner sited fact after fact–of course based on his extensive research–to the red faced obot Sullivan [not true; I took exception to CDR Kerchner questioning my honesty. He responded, “I didn’t question your honesty. I said you were being intellectually dishonest,” or words to that effect. At that point, I realized that there was no sense speaking with someone who would say something like, “I didn’t question your honesty. I said you were being intellectually dishonest.” Also at that point, I realized I was acting like an ass and that such behavior was far from appropriate in a courtroom. CDR Kerchner didn’t cite any facts during the encounter.]…

    Several military members in the court room moved over to the confrontation, eying the aggressive Sullivan. [I have no idea whether that’s true or not.]

    …and when the question was asked by Kerchner in a forceful Naval Commanders voice two times in a row, “Do you or do you not believe he [Obama] is a natural born citizen?”, literally, Sullivan’s knees collapsed, [uhm, no, my knees neither literally nor figuratively collapsed. Again, realizing that I was behaving like an ass and not wishing to continue to do so, I turned around and walked away] his shoulders slumped [I can’t say for sure, but I doubt it], and he turned [true], rushed [wrong] away without answering the question and ran back to his seat [I walked back to my seat without answering the question, having decided that it was best for me not to debate with birthers]. He was visibly shaking, his pen uncontrollable, and was muttering something about being so embarrassed’…[I’m sure I shook my head because I was disappointed with myself; my pen certainly wasn’t uncontrollable, and I told Phil Cave that I was embarrassed about and ashamed of my behavior — and I remain so.]

    To which I and my compatriot, sitting next to him, thoroughly agreed that this kind of intellectual dishonesty is endangering the Nation’, tsk tsk.

    Perhaps he learned his lesson to NEVER go up against a Navy Commander with the experience of Charles Kerchner!!!

    Col Sullivan proved only one thing: he can’t handle the truth.
    [Uhm, no; I learned once again that my temper is too short, that I should ignore challenges to my integrity from those I do not respect; and that I would have either fought a lot of duels had I been a military officer in the first half of the nineteenth century or I would have died in one].

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 9:46 am #

    Bov,

    Here is Dr. Kate’s original work of fiction regarding the excahnge between Col Sullivan and Kerchner….

    “Yet the only violence exhibited was by an Obot Colonel against an Article II Constitutionalist, aka, birther’, Commander Charles Kerchner (Ret.). This is a first hand account, supplemented by CDR Charles Kerchner’s recount of the interaction.

    Courtroom Break Showdown

    Col. Sullivan, of the blog CAAFlog and a Marine Reserve officer, sat in the courtroom with his citizenship manual and dishonestly argued that the 14th amendment allowed Obama to be a natural born citizen’. I am sure many of you have seen his derogatory posts ridiculing Lakin, the Article II Constitutionalists, and the entire question of Hussein’s ineligibility. It was quite something to sit next to him as he and his partner Phil Cave guffawed at the entire proceedings, especially when it came to attacking Lakin.

    As he pointlessly argued his case for a 14th amendment citizen being a natural born citizen, Commander (Ret.) Charles Kerchner leaned over and suggested he was being intellectually dishonest. Suddenly, Sullivan lost his cool, climbed over me and others sitting next to him, yelling at Kerchner, “SIR. SIR.” His aggressive behavior would have trampled anyone in his way.

    Sullivan confronted Kerchner toe to toe, and face to face, pointing and yelling about the accusation of his ‘honesty’ and intellect’ being questioned. Fingers flying, red faces, and the Commander did not back down. Instead, in a delicious exchange where Kerchner cited fact after fact–of course based on his extensive research–to the red faced obot Sullivan…

    Several military members in the court room moved over to the confrontation, eying the aggressive Sullivan.

    …and when the question was asked by Kerchner in a forceful Naval Commanders voice two times in a row, “Do you or do you not believe he [Obama] is a natural born citizen?”, literally, Sullivan’s knees collapsed, his shoulders slumped, and he turned, rushed away without answering the question and ran back to his seat. He was visibly shaking, his pen uncontrollable, and was muttering something about being so embarrassed’…

    To which I and my compatriot, sitting next to him, thoroughly agreed that this kind of intellectual dishonesty is endangering the Nation’, tsk tsk.

    Perhaps he learned his lesson to NEVER go up against a Navy Commander with the experience of Charles Kerchner!!!

    Col Sullivan proved only one thing: he can’t handle the truth.

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/the-navy-commander-versus-col-obot/

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 9:53 am #

    Bovril: Poor old Kerchner, delusional as always, supported by the foul Dr KateA statement I tend to believe that is tied rather more closely to reality comes from Sullivan himself.http://www.caaflog.com/2010/12/17/okay-one-more-lakin-post/#comment-23893Dr. Kate got more wrong than right — though I did engage in an unwise confrontation with CDR Kerchner and when I returned to my seat, I did say to Phil Cave that I was embarrassed and ashamed at my own behavior. So here’s Dr. Kate’s account, with corrections in brackets:Col. Sullivan, of the blog CAAFlog and an Army Reserve officer [wrong; USMCR}, sat in the courtroom with his citizenship manual [wrong; MCM] and dishonestly argued that the 14th amendment allowed Obama to be a natural born citizen’. [wrong; not “dishonestly”] I am sure many of you have seen his derogatory posts ridiculing Lakin, the Article II Constitutionalists, and the entire question of Hussein’s ineligibility. It was quite something to sit next to him as he and his partner Phil Cave guffawed at the entire proceedings [wrong; neither Phil nor I guffawed; unlike the birthers, we did not express any approval or disapproval during court-martial proceedings], especially when it came to attacking Lakin.As he pointlessly argued his case for a 14th amendment citizen being a natural born citizen [RIGHT — it was pointless to discuss the issue with the birthers and I regret having done so], Commander (Ret.) Charles Kerchner leaned over and suggested he was being intellectually dishonest [true]. Suddenly, Sullivan lost his cool [I regret to admit, also true; I take exception too easily to challenges to my integrity], climbed over me and others sitting next to him [wrong; I went in front of them because they were in the row and I couldn’t get to the aisle without going in front of them], yelling at Kerchner, “SIR. SIR.” [probably true; I’m not sure I yelled, but I probably did.} His aggressive behavior would have trampled anyone in his way [my behavior would have trampled somone? Uhm, no. I wouldn’t have either].Sullivan confronted Kerchner toe to toe, and face to face [true], pointing and yelling about the accusation of his ‘honesty’ and intellect’ being questioned. Fingers flying, red faces, and the Commander did not back down. Instead, in a delicious exchange where Kerchner sited fact after fact–of course based on his extensive research–to the red faced obot Sullivan [not true; I took exception to CDR Kerchner questioning my honesty. He responded, “I didn’t question your honesty. I said you were being intellectually dishonest,” or words to that effect. At that point, I realized that there was no sense speaking with someone who would say something like, “I didn’t question your honesty. I said you were being intellectually dishonest.” Also at that point, I realized I was acting like an ass and that such behavior was far from appropriate in a courtroom. CDR Kerchner didn’t cite any facts during the encounter.]…Several military members in the court room moved over to the confrontation, eying the aggressive Sullivan. [I have no idea whether that’s true or not.]…and when the question was asked by Kerchner in a forceful Naval Commanders voice two times in a row, “Do you or do you not believe he [Obama] is a natural born citizen?”, literally, Sullivan’s knees collapsed, [uhm, no, my knees neither literally nor figuratively collapsed. Again, realizing that I was behaving like an ass and not wishing to continue to do so, I turned around and walked away] his shoulders slumped [I can’t say for sure, but I doubt it], and he turned [true], rushed [wrong] away without answering the question and ran back to his seat [I walked back to my seat without answering the question, having decided that it was best for me not to debate with birthers]. He was visibly shaking, his pen uncontrollable, and was muttering something about being so embarrassed’…[I’m sure I shook my head because I was disappointed with myself; my pen certainly wasn’t uncontrollable, and I told Phil Cave that I was embarrassed about and ashamed of my behavior — and I remain so.]To which I and my compatriot, sitting next to him, thoroughly agreed that this kind of intellectual dishonesty is endangering the Nation’, tsk tsk. Perhaps he learned his lesson to NEVER go up against a Navy Commander with the experience of Charles Kerchner!!!Col Sullivan proved only one thing: he can’t handle the truth.[Uhm, no; I learned once again that my temper is too short, that I should ignore challenges to my integrity from those I do not respect; and that I would have either fought a lot of duels had I been a military officer in the first half of the nineteenth century or I would have died in one].

    Bov, look what our favorite former Capt. Pammy Barnett had to say….

    CPT Pamela Barnett
    December 19, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    I was there. This is exactly how it happened. However, I did not hear what the LTC muttered to himself when he left the confrontation he caused.

    Really…. there were an awful amount of security people there for the amount of people in the courtroom.

    And birther fave Cort W…

    cort wrotnowski
    December 19, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    I would like to know, in detail, what supporting arguments Obot uses to hold up his claim that the 14th Amendment allows him to be a NBC.

    Also, I need to review the whys and wherefores around the notion of automatic citizenship when Kenya became a nation and bo reached his 18th birthday.

    One other item. I wish I had the reference, but I came across a legislative initiative presented to a Senate panel four or more years ago, when someone sought to redefine the term “natural born citizen” so as not to be limited to having both parents as Citizens. That initiative was shot down. To me, that illustrates forcefully, how, to this day, there is still a very clear implicit definition of “natural born citizen” which cannot be simply changed by congressional fiat.

    And of course our favorite harp player…

    Sharon Rondeau
    December 19, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    Thank you, Dr. Kate, for a very illustrative first-hand account of the Lt. Col.’s behavior. Those supporting Obama have no leg on which to stand, which the Col. proved beyond a doubt last week. Shame on him for not standing up for one of his own and lying to cover the fraud and deceit of the Empty Suit usurping the White House.

    The entire military should be ashamed of itself, and I no longer support anything they do. IF they choose to serve under a usurper, they will be brought to account for it in good time. The U.S. military has turned against the citizens, and the commanders carrying on this outrage need to be jailed and tried for treason.

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 9:54 am #

    Humorous diatribe by banned commenter who was fascinated by flying monkeys….

    j*x
    December 19, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    Certainly Charles Kerchner knows whereof he speakss WRT the eligibility issue whereas (if you listened to what amounted to a 2-hour Flying-Monkey-chortle-and-wrist-kissing-episode on their radio program … with even Dr. Conspiraccy chiming in) you would soon realize that Dwight Sullivaan holds himself out to be “one helluva man and ready as an ex-Marine to kick the stuffing out of anyone or anything” and “how dare” a stinking little ex-Navy guy take on a hero-marine such as he??.Hmmm!

    IOW the fool is so full of himself that he thinks the facts do not matter and it is clear that Charles Kerchner helped to show the guy up for the ass he truly is who knows very little or nothing about the true eligibility issue and does not even recognize that the UCMJ decision is complete fraud since to make such a ruling requires that Obama be eligible to hold the office he now ocupies … and the military court does not have the jurisdiction to decide that – yet they implicitly did since if the man is not eligible then any of his orders are illegal and of no effect.

    Making the pretence that he IS eligible or ignoring the fact
    does not get the job done. Sullivan does not seem to understand that the military courts were created by Congress under the authority of the U. S. Constitution and therefore they (the UCMJ folk) do not have the jurisdiction to judge whether the man is eligible or not – and yet that is exactly what they have done by convicting LTC Lakin. They have said that Obama has issued valid orders with no basis for such a decision but with an extraordinary amount of evidentiary material saying exasctly the opposite. It is not their province to do so in any way shape, or form. Their more judicious ruling would have been to have passed the entire eligibility issue to the U. S. Supreme Court while holding the Lakin hearing in abeyance – which they could have done – for an eligibility ruling which would entail a definition of the term “natural born Citizen”. After THAT ruling THEN the UCMJ could proceed – or not – with a sound legal basis for all concerned and for the entire country. As it is, they blew it badly and fools like Sullivan merely make them look worse (if possible).

    The Flying Monkeys such as Dwight Sullivan or Denise Lind et al, of course, could not possibly have allowed that due to their own political objectives and/or Constitutional Cowardice. Instead they have done what Chief Justice John Marshall defined as “Treason to the Constitution”.

    No wonder Sullivan (finally) realized he was being a jerk and was embarrassing not only hinmself but his country.

    Kudos to Commander K. for staanding up for is country and its Constitution!!!

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    HORUS December 20, 2010 at 11:23 am #

    I used to really love the history channel, but in the past few years they have jumped on “Judgment Day” bandwagon.

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    G December 20, 2010 at 11:26 am #

    HORUS: I used to really love the history channel, but in the past few years they have jumped on “Judgment Day” bandwagon.

    Expect them to continue to do so over the next 2 years. Remember, all networks are ratings driven… and apocalyptic stories provide just the type of sensationalism that drives ratings.

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    HORUS December 20, 2010 at 11:32 am #

    Black Lion: when someone sought to redefine the term “natural born citizen” so as not to be limited to having both parents as Citizens. That initiative was shot down.

    How can they STILL believe that Both parents have to be citizens?

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    From the Post and Fail website….A screed from the crazy “devy Kidd”….

    “From the moment Obama/Soetoro was sworn into office, Americans galvanized into Impeach Obama Now! factions.

    However, there is a problem here because two wrongs don’t make a right, which is why I have not supported any petitions calling for impeachment.

    Despite the continued protestations by Obama/Soetoro supporters and professional liars in the dominant media, there is no question the usurper camped out in the White House was never eligible to run for president of these united States of America. All the huffing, puffing, vile name calling and protesting does not and cannot alter the legal fact that Obama/Soetoro was born with dual citizenship. It is his father’s citizenship status at the time Obama/Soetoro was born that clearly makes him ineligible to be president.

    We’re all aware of the 40 or so lawsuits filed to expose Obama/Soetoro’s perfidy and the decisions rendered by cowardly federal judges using the cop out – “standing” – as their justification in tossing the lawsuits. We’re all aware that even though tens of thousands of Americans demanded the electoral college not certify the vote for the impostor on the ballot, they also proved to be gutless cowards or political hacks who value party loyalty over the U.S. Constitution. The final stop on the way to certifying an ineligible candidate was the U.S. Congress who sat on their cowardly backsides, January 9, 2009, knowing full well there were millions of Americans questioning the legitimacy of Obama/Soetoro’s eligibility. Yet, not a single member of Congress (and that includes Ron Paul) stood up on the floor and objected. There is an orderly procedure that could have been triggered had one member of the Outlaw Congress stood up.[1] Instead, they all stood down and here we are today with a constitutional crisis that is not going away.

    As Obama/Soetoro clearly was never eligible to run for the presidency, once he “took” office, he legally became a usurper. That action is defined as: to seize and hold (a position, office, power, etc.) by force or without legal right: The pretender tried to usurp the throne.

    Now, we either believe in the supreme law of the land or we pursue an alternative path that sets a horrible legal precedent. What do I mean by that? You cannot impeach a usurper. To do so (even if the House were to file charges) would be to give legitimacy to Obama/Soetoro holding the office of president. That already happened once in our history with Chester Arthur. We cannot allow it to happen again no matter how frustrated and enraged we are about the actions of that empty suit sullying the people’s house. To give legitimacy to his presidency would cement all the bills he signed into law as if they were valid under the U.S. Constitution.
    ………………….

    As I have said for quite some time, I firmly believe there is no way Obama/Soetoro will run in 2012. Certainly, continuing to raise the specter of another Obama/Soetoro term is good for ratings on Hannity, O’Reilly and conservative talk radio. It’s also a good theme for dangerous, vile individuals like Newt Gingrich to raise money for their political organizations.
    …………………..

    How this will all play out, I don’t know. Obama/Soetoro has admitted to cocaine use; Larry Sinclair has accused him of being a user as late as 1999. Wayne Madsen recently penned a piece outlining how there is a crisis underway in the White House:”

    …………………

    Is there any possibility that Obama/Soetoro can still be removed from office? Yes. There is still one case, Kerchner v Obama, which I have followed from the beginning. The wind has shifted direction since Leo Donofrio’s first case was discussed at the Supreme Court level in December 2008. Mario Apuzzo, attorney for Kerchner, et al, is a real warrior and has fought for his clients in the aforementioned case. It has now gone to the next step:
    ………………….

    Going back to the original theme of this column, besides impeachment, is there any other way to remove Obama/Soetoro? Yes, and it could have and should have been done more than a year ago. But, the requirements to qualify for under a Quo Warranto are stringent. Leo Donofrio and Stephen Pidgeon, both brilliant attorneys who have been involved in citizenship cases in the past, now represent roughly 82 Chrysler dealers in bankruptcy proceedings. The history is on Leo’s web site. It does require some reading time if you haven’t been able to keep up with it all. Leo and Stephen’s first obligation to their clients is the bankruptcy lawsuit, but that does not rule out a Quo Warranto which could happen before 2012
    …………….

    Why are so many talented, decent Americans continuing the Herculean efforts to bring Bush and Obama/Soetoro to justice in a court of law? Because it is the right thing to do for our country. Every time we the people allow lawbreakers (like Marxist duo, Bill and Hillary) to get away with their crimes, the further our country slips into the muck of a banana republic. We cannot and must not allow that to happen.

    Hilarious stuff…And in the comments…

    Robert Laity says:
    Monday, December 20, 2010 at 3:59 AM
    Obama is a Radical “Muslim” Supremacist and Traitor to the US:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUaGe63Aqv4
    See 18USC,Part 1,Chapter 115,Sec.2381

    What he did in Kenya constitutes TREASON. The Law I cited prohibits him from holding “ANY office under the US”. Obama can’t even be a Federal employee.

    Robert Laity says:
    Monday, December 20, 2010 at 4:03 AM
    Tom, The DOD Inspector General has a hotline which I utilized today. It is a Whistleblower Retaliation site regarding the Military Whistleblower Retaliation Act. I filed a formal complaint/request for investigation in behalf of both Walt Fitzpatrick, Lt. Easterling and Terry Lakin, et al.

    hotline@dodig.mil

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    Steve December 20, 2010 at 11:36 am #

    HORUS: I used to really love the history channel, but in the past few years they have jumped on “Judgment Day” bandwagon.

    Considering that Judgement Day hasn’t happened yet, it’s not history. Maybe the History Channel should be renamed the Future Channel.
    But then again I saw Point Break on the Golf Channel this weekend and there is no golf in that movie.

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 11:38 am #

    HORUS: How can they STILL believe that Both parents have to be citizens?

    Horus, because they refuse to believe the truth. The birthers have so convinced themselves that they are right that they cannot accept any evidence that refutes their notions of what the actual law says….Obama derangement at its finest….

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    Majority Will December 20, 2010 at 11:47 am #

    Black Lion: The DOD Inspector General has a hotline which I utilized today.

    I’ll bet that went over well.

    But then having read this lunatic’s rants before, he was probably using a Flintstones phone and he actually dialed up Dino instead. The response?

    Yip-yip-yip-yip-yip-yip-yip!

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 12:00 pm #

    Is WND Happy Terrence Lakin’s Life Is Ruined?
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    In Terrence Lakin, Joseph Farah and WorldNetDaily now have their birther martyr.

    Lakin’s perceived martyrdom — and that’s exactly how Farah perceives it; as far as he’s concerned, Lakin is “upholding the oath he took as a commissioned officer to support and defend the Constitution” — is the inevitable result of WND’s birther obsession, a falsehood-laden obsession that in all likelihood led Lakin on his odyssey.

    Once Lakin signed onto the birther agenda, he became part of WND’s machine — a WND search turns up 55 articles referencing him. Farah was not shy about incorporating Lakin into his agenda; his status as, in Farah’s words, “an Army doctor and Bronze Star recipient” served as a golden opportunity to bring some respectability to WND’s obsessive cause.

    WND was even setting Lakin up to be the birther martyr. WND managing editor David Kupelian wrote in October:

    Meanwhile, we’re about to witness the spectacle of a true patriot, a decorated military physician who wants nothing more than to save more lives and continue to serve his country, a man of admirable conscience and backbone, being court-martialed and sent to Fort Leavenworth prison as a sacrificial lamb because the “judge” – just like the establishment press and so many others for whom Obama is “too big to fail” – is fearful of “embarrassing” the president.

    Of course, the inevitable happened: Lakin pleaded or was found guilty on all charges. He was sentenced to six months in military prision, will be dismissed from the Army, and will miss out on the full military pension he was two years away from earning.

    In short, Lakin has ruined his life.

    In the end, though, Lakin ultimately backed away from his view, admitting that “I chose the wrong path,” adding, “I am extremely sorry for everything that has come of this. … As a military member, I was wrong.”

    Will Farah and WND view this as cowardice or a deathbed conversion upon realizing the enormity of the extent his buying into the birther obsession has destroyed his life? That remains to be seen.

    WND is also hiding the true nature of how things went down for Lakin. For example, the Associated Press noted that Lakin’s defense attorney, Neal Puckett, called Lakin the “victim of an obsession,” and that he was naive in trusting the poor advice of a previous civilian lawyer.

    You won’t find that in WND’s account of Lakin’s sentencing, though. Instead, Brian Fitzpatrick reported that “Many observers were disappointed by the defense strategy of portraying Lakin as a victim of the so-called ‘Birther’ movement.” Fitzpatrick did not explain what he defined as “many.”

    Of course, WND loved quoting that previous civilian lawyer, Paul Rolf Jensen — his name comes up in 17 WND articles.

    Meanwhile, CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said:

    Think about the implications if he [Lakin] was even allowed to raise this issue. The military operates under a system of discipline, of orders. If every military officer or enlisted person who got an order could question whether the president was really the president, discipline would disappear overnight. You have to have a system of discipline, and that is just simply — can’t be a question that’s on the table that military officials or officers are allowed to raise.

    WND has never addressed this question.

    Nevertheless, Farah and WND now have their birther martyr. Of course, he’s really a victim whose life has been ruined due to their obsessive hatred of President Obama.

    Will Farah apologize to Lakin for destroying his life? Don’t count on it — he’s too busy projecting.

    As far as Farah is concerned, it’s all Obama’s fault. On Dec. 9, Farah wrote that Lakin could be a free man if only Obama would be a”compassionate humanitarian” and release his birth certificate. Of course, Farah embraces the conspiracies his website has promoted in doing so:

    Obama has compassion for the worst kind of terrorists and murderers, but he can’t find an ounce of compassion for Lt. Col. Terry Lakin. Does that make sense?

    What are the secrets contained in that birth certificate? Was Obama an overweight child? Was he born prematurely? I mean, come on, this is a birth certificate!

    More likely, the birth certificate contains information that would absolutely undermine and contradict Obama’s entire life narrative as he defined it (or Bill Ayers did) in his celebrated book, “Dreams of My Father.”

    Maybe his parents weren’t who he claimed them to be.

    Of course, that wouldn’t disqualify him for office. In fact, Obama would likely have a better case of proving eligibility if that were the case. But how could he explain that? It would mean Obama’s compelling life story was all a work of fiction – not just most of it, as has already been established, but all of it. Even the title of his book would be a lie. Even his name would be a lie.

    That would be pretty shocking.

    But would a truly compassionate man let another good person go to prison to cover up his secret?

    Or maybe, just maybe, Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. at all. Maybe that laser-printed short-form “certification of live birth” is a fabrication, something Obama’s parents or grandparents obtained to bestow “anchor baby”-style American birth rights upon the little boy.

    In reality, Farah is the one who’s not compassionate. Why would he want Lakin to be free? Lakin is worth more to him as a prisoner. After all, it feeds the birther conspiracy, and Farah makes more money.

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/

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    G December 20, 2010 at 12:39 pm #

    Black Lion: From the Post and Fail website….A screed from the crazy “devy Kidd”….

    …”Is there any possibility that Obama/Soetoro can still be removed from office? Yes. There is still one case, Kerchner v Obama, which I have followed from the beginning. The wind has shifted direction since Leo Donofrio’s first case was discussed at the Supreme Court level in December 2008. Mario Apuzzo, attorney for Kerchner, et al, is a real warrior and has fought for his clients in the aforementioned case. It has now gone to the next step”

    LOL! Yeah, someone needs to inform that brain damaged “devvy Kidd” that the “next step” was that the Supreme Court passed on the case a few weeks back. Apuzzo/Kerchner have nothing but *FAIL*.

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    G December 20, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

    Black Lion: Is WND Happy Terrence Lakin’s Life Is Ruined?
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    Simple answer: YES. WND is purely tabloid-level propaganda agenda driven and out to con and fleece the gullible for profit in any way they can. They don’t care a whit for their easy marks and rubes. Lakin was nothing more than a tool for them….in more ways than one.

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    COMMENTARY | In April of this year, the U.S. Army initiated court martial proceedings against Lt. Col. Terrance Lakin, a medical officer who was supposed to deploy to Afghanistan. Lakin refused the order and missed the flight that would have taken him to Fort Campbell, Ky., where he would have prepared for his deployment. The reason for his actions? Lakin subscribes to the belief that President Obama has not provided sufficient proof of his U.S. citizenship, and because of this his presidency is illegitimate, and therefore his orders are illegal.

    Encouraged by those in the U.S. who fervently believe that the president is not a natural American citizen, Lakin even admitted on a YouTube video that he was likely to face court martial. Over the next few months the defense team tried to raise the question of the president’s citizenship as part of Lakin’s defense. Eventually, the judge presiding over the case refused to allow Lakin to call witnesses to support his claims about President Obama.

    Two charges were levied against Lakin: the first for willfully disobeying an order and the second that the colonel failed to make the flight that he was required to take to Fort Campbell. He pleaded guilty to the first charge, and not guilty to the second. On Dec. 15, he was found guilty by a military court of that count as well. The next day, he was sentenced to six months in prison, as well as dismissal from the Army.

    Without question the case of Lt. Col. Lakin has stirred up emotions from both those who are passionate — some to the point of hysteria — in their belief that Obama is not a natural citizen, those who find any officer who willfully disobeys orders to be reprehensible. In defense of the latter, remember here that the colonel was skipping over his obligations to his unit and his fellow soldiers in order to pick a political fight with the president. The orders were legal (report and deploy). The only way for a professional solider to voice this kind of dissent is to leave the service. This is what he failed to do.

    Lt. Col. Lakin devoted 18 years of his life serving his country. To end a distinguished career in such a way actually contradicts the values that such a career exemplifies. One simply cannot pick and choose who to follow in such a manner. Think for a moment about the controversial 2000 election, where President Bush’s victory was sealed by a 5-4 Supreme Court vote. Would the supporters of Lt. Col. Lakin’s actions be equally supportive of officers who decided on their own that President Bush was not legitimate? It would have been ludicrous, but no less so that the justification that drove Lakin to his fateful actions.

    In the end, it appeared that the colonel realized this as he prepared for the jury’s verdict. Admitting that he was wrong to have disobeyed his orders, he asked to be allowed to continue to serve. But the trust had been breached, and he is now rightfully paying for his decision. Blinded for a time by his beliefs about President Obama and swept up in the hysteria that some have invested in discrediting him, he lost everything. It’s a disturbing story, but one that had to end the way it did.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101217/pl_ac/7424132_the_unfortunate_court_martial_of_lieutenant_colonel_terrance_lakin

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    Scientist December 20, 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    Black Lion: Eventually, the judge presiding over the case refused to allow Lakin to call witnesses to support his claims about President Obama.

    If by “witness” one means someone with actual first-hand information regarding the President’s birth, as far as I’m aware, there is only one alive today, Sarah Obama. Interestingly, she was never on the defense list as someone they planned to call. I wonder if any of our birther friends would care to explain the strange omission of the one person who, according to them, could actually have helped their case. Could it be that they knew she would testify that she never met Obama’s mother and that the birth, as far as she knew took place in Hawai’i?

  37. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett December 20, 2010 at 2:55 pm #

    Speaking of Lakin and WND, maybe ya’ll can help me with something.

    I have just written an op-ed over at op ed news that says that, as the Birthers are responsible for creating the atmosphere that led Lakin astray, they are morally obligated to provide for his welfare once he gets out of jail.

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/A-Challenge-to-Birthers–by-J-Edward-Tremlett-101219-890.html

    In it, I call out Farah, Taitz, Manning, and Keyes and challenge them to create a fund to ensure that Lakin’s needs are met, above and beyond court costs and legal fees. Farah wants you to send money to Jensen, but that’s not going to help, anymore. He should make his own fund, himself, so that Lakin gets it all.

    If you agree, please feel free to repost the story however and wherever you’d like, and drop farah an email at jfarah@worldnetdaily.com . I plan to send him a public email soon, and will probably keep the responses private (unless it’s so egregious I can’t not pass it along)

    J

  38. avatar
    misha December 20, 2010 at 3:02 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: I have just written an op-ed over at op ed news

    I completely agree. I’ll work on it. Remember, though, Orly abandoned Stefan Cook.

    They are trying to incite a lone wolf.

  39. avatar
    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 4:00 pm #

    Old friend “lie-guy” is still at it….I guess some of the birthers will never learn….

    http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakin-14/#comments

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 4:30 pm #

    BZ, still pushing the same discredited nonsense….

    “I believe he said that because for him to say otherwise would be contempt of court.

    I am not JUST repeating the same things. I am also presenting references and asking for clarification or rebuttals, which nobody except Buckeye Texan is giving me. I appreciate his willingness to actually engage. Obviously he’s not a lawyer, to his credit.

    Here is what the footnote I referenced says (again, it’s the footnote on p 160 at http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/mcm2000.pdf :

    “Ordinarily the lawfulness of an order is finally decided by
    the military judge. See R.C.M. 801(e). An exception might exist when the sole issue is whether the person who gave the order in fact occupied a certain position at the time.”

    Rule 801(e)(1)(A) says:

    ” (A) Finality of rulings. Any ruling by the military
    judge upon a question of law, including a motion for a finding of not guilty, or upon any interlocutory question is final.”

    With that in mind – that a judge’s rulings of law or interlocutory questions are final – I found the part which seems to me to explain why the above statement is used. It’s at II-76, on page 126 at http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/mcm2000.pdf (emphases mine):

    “Questions of the applicability of a rule of law to an undisputed set of facts are normally questions of law. Similarly, the legality of an act is normally a question of law. For example, the legality of an order when disobedience of an order is charged, the legality of restraint when there is a prosecution for breach of arrest, or the sufficiency of warnings before interrogation are normally questions of law. *****It is possible, however, for such questions to be decided solely upon some factual issue, in which case they would be questions of fact. *****For example, the question of what warnings, if any, were given by an interrogator to a suspect would be a factual question.

    A question is interlocutory unless the ruling on it would
    finally decide whether the accused is guilty. ******Questions which may determine the ultimate issue of guilt are not interlocutory. **** An issue may arise as both an interlocutory question and a question which may determine the ultimate issue of guilt. An issued is not purely interlocutory if an accused raises a defense or objection and the disputed facts involved determine the ultimate question of guilt.”

    So if the lawfulness of the order involves whether the person who had to authorize it actually held the position to do so – held the position lawfully and Constitutionally, as required by Article 92(1) – ultimately determines the issue of guilt, then it is not interlocutory.

    And if the lawfulness of the order hinges on a factual issue (such as whether the President ever “qualified” by Jan 20th as required by the 20th Amendment), then it is an issue of fact, not of law.

    So in the instance where the sole issue that decides guilt is the facts surrounding whether the authorizing person actually holds the position to be able to authorize the order, it is an issue of fact rather than law and it is not an interlocutory question. Thus Rule 801(e)(1)(A) doesn’t apply to it, and it is not stated that the judge’s ruling must be final.

    That’s why I think there’s that footnote that I referenced, and it seems to me that the instance I described in the preceding paragraph shows the exception that the footnote refers to.

    It is exactly Lakin’s situation.

    572 posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 2:11:43 PM by butterdezillion

    “Where can I send the evidence and have it qualify as “new evidence”? Who do I need to talk to, and how? It would be new evidence if the court hasn’t received the evidence that the HDOH has made a statutory admission that Obama’s BC is amended and that they thus have no legally valid BC for him, and that they have indirectly confirmed in 3 different ways that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery.

    The fact that even his age remains legally undeterminable without the HI BC being presented as evidence should speak to the issue of whether he met the 20th Amendment requirement of “qualifying” before being allowed to “act as President” – and the orders down the chain of command can’t be “contrary to the Constitution” in order to meet the “lawfulness” criteria for Article 92(1).

    So that, for instance, if the President had not taken the oath office and could not therefore execute the duties of the office, then any orders he gave before taking the oath of office would not be lawful. If he had ordered the surge at 12:01pm on Jan 20th but didn’t take the oath until 12:05, the orders for the surge all down the chain of command would be unlawful according to the criteria of Article 92(1).

    In similar fashion, if he ordered the surge at 12:01 on Jan 20th but hadn’t qualified until (never, still waiting….) the authorization for the surge would be unlawful and all the orders implementing it as well.

    If they’d like evidence regarding the falsification of historical documents (newspaper microfilms) in 5 different libraries throughout the country I’d be happy to give them that too. Shows the deception involved to cover up for him, which wouldn’t be necessary if there was no problem with his documents.

    And I’d be happy to give them what I’ve got concerning Nancy Pelosi most probably perjuring herself to sign the certifications of nomination by which Obama got onto the ballots in every state.

    610 posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 4:53:57 PM by butterdezillion

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2643672/posts?q=1&;page=601

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    Black Lion: BZ, still pushing the same discredited nonsense….“I believe he said that because for him to say otherwise would be contempt of court.I am not JUST repeating the same things. I am also presenting references and asking for clarification or rebuttals, which nobody except Buckeye Texan is giving me. I appreciate his willingness to actually engage. Obviously he’s not a lawyer, to his credit.Here is what the footnote I referenced says (again, it’s the footnote on p 160 at http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/mcm2000.pdf :“Ordinarily the lawfulness of an order is finally decided bythe military judge. See R.C.M. 801(e). An exception might exist when the sole issue is whether the person who gave the order in fact occupied a certain position at the time.”Rule 801(e)(1)(A) says:” (A) Finality of rulings. Any ruling by the militaryjudge upon a question of law, including a motion for a finding of not guilty, or upon any interlocutory question is final.”With that in mind – that a judge’s rulings of law or interlocutory questions are final – I found the part which seems to me to explain why the above statement is used. It’s at II-76, on page 126 at http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/mcm2000.pdf (emphases mine):“Questions of the applicability of a rule of law to an undisputed set of facts are normally questions of law. Similarly, the legality of an act is normally a question of law. For example, the legality of an order when disobedience of an order is charged, the legality of restraint when there is a prosecution for breach of arrest, or the sufficiency of warnings before interrogation are normally questions of law. *****It is possible, however, for such questions to be decided solely upon some factual issue, in which case they would be questions of fact. *****For example, the question of what warnings, if any, were given by an interrogator to a suspect would be a factual question.A question is interlocutory unless the ruling on it wouldfinally decide whether the accused is guilty. ******Questions which may determine the ultimate issue of guilt are not interlocutory. **** An issue may arise as both an interlocutory question and a question which may determine the ultimate issue of guilt. An issued is not purely interlocutory if an accused raises a defense or objection and the disputed facts involved determine the ultimate question of guilt.”So if the lawfulness of the order involves whether the person who had to authorize it actually held the position to do so – held the position lawfully and Constitutionally, as required by Article 92(1) – ultimately determines the issue of guilt, then it is not interlocutory.And if the lawfulness of the order hinges on a factual issue (such as whether the President ever “qualified” by Jan 20th as required by the 20th Amendment), then it is an issue of fact, not of law.So in the instance where the sole issue that decides guilt is the facts surrounding whether the authorizing person actually holds the position to be able to authorize the order, it is an issue of fact rather than law and it is not an interlocutory question. Thus Rule 801(e)(1)(A) doesn’t apply to it, and it is not stated that the judge’s ruling must be final.That’s why I think there’s that footnote that I referenced, and it seems to me that the instance I described in the preceding paragraph shows the exception that the footnote refers to.It is exactly Lakin’s situation.572 posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 2:11:43 PM by butterdezillion “Where can I send the evidence and have it qualify as “new evidence”? Who do I need to talk to, and how? It would be new evidence if the court hasn’t received the evidence that the HDOH has made a statutory admission that Obama’s BC is amended and that they thus have no legally valid BC for him, and that they have indirectly confirmed in 3 different ways that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery.The fact that even his age remains legally undeterminable without the HI BC being presented as evidence should speak to the issue of whether he met the 20th Amendment requirement of “qualifying” before being allowed to “act as President” – and the orders down the chain of command can’t be “contrary to the Constitution” in order to meet the “lawfulness” criteria for Article 92(1).So that, for instance, if the President had not taken the oath office and could not therefore execute the duties of the office, then any orders he gave before taking the oath of office would not be lawful. If he had ordered the surge at 12:01pm on Jan 20th but didn’t take the oath until 12:05, the orders for the surge all down the chain of command would be unlawful according to the criteria of Article 92(1).In similar fashion, if he ordered the surge at 12:01 on Jan 20th but hadn’t qualified until (never, still waiting….) the authorization for the surge would be unlawful and all the orders implementing it as well.If they’d like evidence regarding the falsification of historical documents (newspaper microfilms) in 5 different libraries throughout the country I’d be happy to give them that too. Shows the deception involved to cover up for him, which wouldn’t be necessary if there was no problem with his documents.And I’d be happy to give them what I’ve got concerning Nancy Pelosi most probably perjuring herself to sign the certifications of nomination by which Obama got onto the ballots in every state.610 posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 4:53:57 PM by butterdezillion http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2643672/posts?q=1&;page=601

    “Lind’s ruling that the legal authorization for the orders are irrelevant to the lawfulness of the order contradicts 4 different legally-binding sources. When can that ruling be appealed?

    If the legal authorization for the orders – which in the case of combat is the President – is irrelevant, then why did Lind even mention anything about Obama? Why did she take judicial notice that Barak Obama (and yes, I spelled that how SHE spelled it) was certified as the electoral winner and took the oath of office? Under her own ruling, shouldn’t that be just as irrelevant as whether he ever “qualified” as required by the 20th Amendment?

    Where in her ruling does Obama being “the President” (whether Constitutionally or not) have anything to do with the price of beans in China? She cited no legal reference that brings him into the picture at all – specifically used i under Article 92 “lawfulness” and avoided ii.

    622 posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 5:22:27 PM by butterdezillion

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    Black Lion December 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    Black Lion: “Lind’s ruling that the legal authorization for the orders are irrelevant to the lawfulness of the order contradicts 4 different legally-binding sources. When can that ruling be appealed?If the legal authorization for the orders – which in the case of combat is the President – is irrelevant, then why did Lind even mention anything about Obama? Why did she take judicial notice that Barak Obama (and yes, I spelled that how SHE spelled it) was certified as the electoral winner and took the oath of office? Under her own ruling, shouldn’t that be just as irrelevant as whether he ever “qualified” as required by the 20th Amendment?Where in her ruling does Obama being “the President” (whether Constitutionally or not) have anything to do with the price of beans in China? She cited no legal reference that brings him into the picture at all – specifically used i under Article 92 “lawfulness” and avoided ii.622 posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 5:22:27 PM by butterdezillion

    It didn’t take a time machine for somebody at the Honolulu Advertiser office to create an Advertiser forgery and give a copy to the librarian at the Hawaii State Library (which she then faithfully kept in her drawer, ready to send out to anybody who asked for it, including Lori Starfelt and “infidel granny”).

    Apparently it didn’t bother her that it was a forgery, that she was lying about where she got it, OR that the forgery she was given was pristine even though she accurately told others that the HSL microfilms are in such bad shape they are nearly unreadable.

    Nor did it take a time machine for him/her to create a forgery for the Star-Bulletin and go on the Prius chat forum, claiming that he/she herself had made the copies from the HSL. He/she had learned from the previous mistakes, though, that the places where the forgery was C&P’ed needed to be covered up better, so he/she added some “scratch lines”.

    It was just a little “oops” that the HSL’s Star-Bulletin microfilms as of Feb 2010 didn’t have any of those scratch lines. In fact, the Star-Bulletin microfilms at the HSL are pristine. Funny how prominent scratches just disappear like that.

    And then, once that person had forged paper copies for both the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin, it didn’t take a time travel machine to give copies of both to Michael Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com. He/she did think to remove one of the C&P lines from the left-hand margin but FORGOT to re-scan the document. The borders and paper edge waviness on the scans sent to Rivero are an exact match with the borders and paper edge waviness of the documents that supposedly surfaced from 3 other “independent” sources: from the HSL librarian, from “Koa” at Texas Darlin’ Blog, and from the poster at the Prius Chat Forum . Funny that all those copies are identical, huh?

    So there was no time travel involved. Just motive and opportunity. Unfortunately for them, the evidence paints a pretty clear picture of what was done and how.

    All the paper copies that were initially shown on the internet came from one person who had access to the archived microfilms for both the Star-Bulletin and Honolulu Advertiser, which were kept at the Advertiser office – both the pristine master copies, and scratched-up copies (since those microfilms at least until 2006 were available to be viewed by the public).

    The first written evidence that the microfilms at the Advertiser office were withheld from the public was Starfelt’s statement that she asked to get a copy from the Advertiser office and was told that the microfilms were not available to the public. So we know that sometime between 2006 and 2008 when the Obama “announcements” surfaced, the Advertiser decided to restrict public access to their microfilms. Wonder when that happened and why…

    So keep mocking, Lurking Libertarian. The facts are on my side.

    628 posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 5:54:55 PM by butterdezillion

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    Rickey December 20, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett:I have just written an op-ed over at op ed news

    You hit the nail on the head. I have been so angry at the keyboard kommandos who risked nothing themselves but were more than willing to egg Lakin on, casting him as a patriotic hero, all the while happy to let him fall on a sword to advance their hatred of Obama. They are a pathetic, seditious group, calling for insurrection but content to sit back and wait for some other deluded soul to lead the revolt.

    None of this excuses Lakin, of course. It’s not as if the truth wasn’t out there. He simply chose to ignore it.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 20, 2010 at 5:35 pm #

    Black Lion: [Quoting Diana West] But Lakin put his life, in the sense of his distinguished 17-year career as an Army surgeon, his income, his pension, and his personal freedom, on the line because of his sworn duty to the U.S. Constitution.

    And he put the lives of his unit who shipped to Afghanistan on the line too when he stayed home to play hero of his own mind. The doctor who replaced Lakin didn’t have adequate time to prepare, so he testified.

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    G December 20, 2010 at 7:26 pm #

    Black Lion: Old friend “lie-guy” is still at it….I guess some of the birthers will never learn….http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakin-14/#comments

    LOL! Thanks for the link. That was hilarious to follow. Typical “lie-guy” behavior. He made bold accusations of what other posters said on another thread and then when they show him that the actual thread says nothing of the sort, he remains in defiant denial and just gpt more belligerent about his lies and doubled down on them. Then he did a final foot stomping whiney pout and left in a huff of fail.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) December 20, 2010 at 7:39 pm #

    Black Lion: Old friend “lie-guy” is still at it….I guess some of the birthers will never learn….http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakin-14/#comments

    He’s over at cout-martial now? Did he get tired of being made a fool over at caaflog too?

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    G December 20, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    Black Lion: BZ, still pushing the same discredited nonsense….

    Thanks for always keeping us informed of the goings on in crazy-land, BL!

    Wow…reading all 3 of the BZ postings you provided…just…wow.

    She is so completely off her rocker and obsessively OCD’ing on coming up with fantasy conspiracies for meaningless minutia that I think she is past the point of a return to sanity!

    I don’t see how she can continue on much longer with such an unhealthy fixation. She’s liable to end up giving herself a stress-induced heart attack with her intense madness. Just very, very sad and a pathetic way to waste one’s life. Still, I feel more sorry for her students and any family that have to deal with her. They really need to get her help soon.

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    Dave December 20, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: Speaking of Lakin and WND, maybe ya’ll can help me with something.I have just written an op-ed over at op ed news that says that, as the Birthers are responsible for creating the atmosphere that led Lakin astray, they are morally obligated to provide for his welfare once he gets out of jail.

    There’s a lot of merit in what you say, though at the same time we have to recognize that LTC Lakin is a big boy and completely responsible for who he chose to believe and what he chose to do.

    However, his legal fees are the least of it. It appears likely (though not yet certain) that he will lose his pension. Replacing that will cost over a million dollars. It is absolutely impossible that the birthers could raise this much money.

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    Dave December 20, 2010 at 8:30 pm #

    To expand slightly on my skepticism that birthers can replace LTC Lakin’s pension: Taitz just posted that, in her fundraiser to cover her $20K sanction, she has just broken $11K. She has been at this for over 4 months.

    To be of any use to LTC Lakin, the birthers will have to do two orders of magnitude better than this. I don’t see how this is even remotely possible.

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    James M December 20, 2010 at 8:30 pm #

    Dave: It appears likely (though not yet certain) that he will lose his pension. Replacing that will cost over a million dollars.

    Meh. He has a hot young Asian trophy wife who is also a physician. And there is so far no reason to believe that he will lose his own license to practice medicine. Between the two of them, if they start from a couple million in debt today, they still will retire with orders of magnitude more wealth and comfort than I will.

    I don’t feel the least concern for Lakin’s financial security.

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    James M December 20, 2010 at 8:38 pm #

    Black Lion:

    In short, Lakin has ruined his life.

    Nah. He will come out of this a civilian physician with a medical license, married to a young woman who is also a licensed physician.

    At worst, they end up a household of TWO medical doctors. On top of that, he is famous, and may choose to capitalize on that fame in some way.

    All he ruined is his military career and his reputation among those who can be bothered to pay attention to such things, and he has essentially made a contribution against the deficit, and opted out of things like USAA insurance.

    But I don’t think Mr. Lakin is likely to ever miss a meal or do without hot running water.

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    G December 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm #

    James M: All he ruined is his military career and his reputation among those who can be bothered to pay attention to such things, and he has essentially made a contribution against the deficit, and opted out of things like USAA insurance.

    But I don’t think Mr. Lakin is likely to ever miss a meal or do without hot running water.

    Agreed. I have no sympathy for him or the fool’s errand he willingly chose. Will his retirement nest egg now be less than it would have otherwise? Yes, due to rightfully losing his pension & benefits. Other than that, I’m sure he’ll be just fine. …other than having to live with himself and his decision to dishonor himself for the rest of his life.

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    James M December 20, 2010 at 9:01 pm #

    Dave: Taitz just posted that, in her fundraiser to cover her $20K sanction, she has just broken $11K. She has been at this for over 4 months.

    I laughed out loud, and I mean really, not LOL, which made my co-workers look my direction disapprovingly 🙂

    This experience, what I will call the “Post-Lakin Birther Period” lays bare the paucity of supporters of the movement. Ever since the huge rally on the Washington Mall (which attracted up to a dozen people, a few of whom expressed actual interest in the event), and the amazing turnout of birthers at the Lakin trial, we can clearly see the reality in a way that “over five hundred thousand people who signed” the WND petition, etc.

    That reality is that there really isn’t a birther movement, the number of its supporters was always greatly exaggerated, and a few of their big victories (rallies, courtroom hearings) have made it painfully obvious how broad their support really is.

    In a way this is upsetting to me, because I can see a source of entertainment rapidly fading away.

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    DaveH December 20, 2010 at 9:13 pm #

    obsolete: Just like the birthers turned their wrath against Maj. Dobson after he was called to testify how he had to take the birfoon Lakin’s place on short notice, and encountered difficulties treating a large attack against our troops due to Lakin’s absence.Maj. Dobson and the wounded soldiers he treated are heroes. Lakin- not so much.

    Not if you live in the ‘bizarro world’ of birfers.

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    G December 20, 2010 at 9:28 pm #

    James M: In a way this is upsetting to me, because I can see a source of entertainment rapidly fading away.

    They won’t fade away quietly. The devout and obsessive contingent amongst them will be around for years to come. They are impervious to reality, so I think there will be plenty to entertain you. It will just continue to endlessly look more and more pathetic as time wears on…but that’s simply the nature of delusional, failed movements. Expect them to even ramp up for awhile during the 2012 election cycle. So, keep your popcorn handy.

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    J. Edward Tremlett December 20, 2010 at 9:51 pm #

    Dave:
    There’s a lot of merit in what you say, though at the same time we have to recognize that LTC Lakin is a big boy and completely responsible for who he chose to believe and what he chose to do.

    I agree. I am trying to stick it to Farah et. al. to see if I can get them to at least admit that they are responsible for creating the atmosphere in which his delusion could thrive, and then cheering him on in his delusion. If they won’t give, then we know what’s up with them.

    Dave:However, his legal fees are the least of it. It appears likely (though not yet certain) that he will lose his pension. Replacing that will cost over a million dollars. It is absolutely impossible that the birthers could raise this much money.

    But I thought there were millions of birthers? If they all contributed a dollar…

    /sarcasm.

    However, in yet another case of Hoofinmouthitis, I see that someone already HAS created a fund for Lakin and his family

    http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com

    it’s pretty smarmy and vomit-inducing, but it has been up since November 15th, apparently. So, oops on me.

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    GeorgetownJD December 20, 2010 at 11:28 pm #

    G:
    Thanks for always keeping us informed of the goings on in crazy-land, BL!Wow…reading all 3 of the BZ postings you provided…just…wow.She is so completely off her rocker and obsessively OCD’ing on coming up with fantasy conspiracies for meaningless minutia that I think she is past the point of a return to sanity!I don’t see how she can continue on much longer with such an unhealthy fixation. She’s liable to end up giving herself a stress-induced heart attack with her intense madness. Just very, very sad and a pathetic way to waste one’s life.Still, I feel more sorry for her students and any family that have to deal with her.They really need to get her help soon.

    Yet, for all her conviction that Obama is not “acting as President” because he “failed to qualify” before January 20, 2009, Butterbuns is unwilling to put her convictions to the test by refusing to accept the benefits of the new tax law that the non-President signed last week. When asked if she would be paying the higher pre-Bush marginal tax rate that would have gone into effect had Obama not signed the legislation or whether she would be returning the 2% FICA reduction to the United States Treasury, Butter weasels out on what she believes to be a technicality — that the law would have become effective in any event as the result of a pocket veto. Also, she lays the blame squarely on her husband:

    “For me personally, my husband does our taxes; we file a joint return. He doesn’t make waves so he would do whatever Turbo Tax tells him to do and take the penalty if it turns out we paid too little because Obama was proven to have “failed to qualify”. That would be the most pleasing fine I would ever have to pay. I would dance and sing to pay that fine. lol.

    I, being the quiet, submissive wife, would let my husband figure out our taxes according to his conscience.”

    The United States Tax Code does not compel married folks to file a joint return. A husband and wife can file separately. Butterbuns, if she truly believes all the sh*t she writes, should demonstrate her convictions by reporting and remitting the correct tax. It seems the least she can do. After all, her hero LTC Col. made a greater sacrifice to the cause.

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    Keith December 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: However, in yet another case of Hoofinmouthitis, I see that someone already HAS created a fund for Lakin and his family

    http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com

    it’s pretty smarmy and vomit-inducing, but it has been up since November 15th, apparently. So, oops on me.

    I was just going to point this out to you.

    The folks as CAAFLog are not convinced that it is genuine. It claims to have endorsement from Lakin’s wife, but skeptics abound.

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    G December 20, 2010 at 11:55 pm #

    GeorgetownJD: QUOTING NUT-BIRTHER BZ: “I, being the quiet, submissive wife, would let my husband figure out our taxes according to his conscience.”

    Somehow…I have serious doubts that she qualifies as “quiet”.

    …But then again, maybe if she truly is living in some old-fashioned “quiet, submissive wife” lifestyle – maybe that is part of an oppressive environment at home that causes her to crack and go off on paranoid obsessive delusions

    … pure speculation, of course.

    But in looking at her clear and intense insanity, one can’t help but wonder how the age old “nature vs. nurture” argument comes into play here… (i.e. is it more than just physical limitations of her brain and ability to grasp deductive reasoning and making her paranoid or are there a lot of environmental factors driving her off the cliff… I’d put my bet on both! )

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    ellid December 21, 2010 at 6:56 am #

    James M:
    Meh.He has a hot young Asian trophy wife who is also a physician.And there is so far no reason to believe that he will lose his own license to practice medicine.Between the two of them, if they start from a couple million in debt today, they still will retire with orders of magnitude more wealth and comfort than I will.I don’t feel the least concern for Lakin’s financial security.

    He now has the equivalent of a felony conviction on his record. That’s a huge downcheck to obtaining employment, a professional license, and malpractice insurance.

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    ellid December 21, 2010 at 7:03 am #

    GeorgetownJD:
    Yet, for all her conviction that Obama is not “acting as President” because he “failed to qualify” before January 20, 2009, Butterbuns is unwilling to put her convictions to the test by refusing to accept the benefits of the new tax law that the non-President signed last week.When asked if she would be paying the higher pre-Bush marginal tax rate that would have gone into effect had Obama not signed the legislation or whether she would be returning the 2% FICA reduction to the United States Treasury, Butter weasels out on what she believes to be a technicality — that the law would have become effective in any event as the result of a pocket veto.Also, she lays the blame squarely on her husband:“For me personally, my husband does our taxes; we file a joint return. He doesn’t make waves so he would do whatever Turbo Tax tells him to do and take the penalty if it turns out we paid too little because Obama was proven to have “failed to qualify”. That would be the most pleasing fine I would ever have to pay. I would dance and sing to pay that fine. lol.I, being the quiet, submissive wife, would let my husband figure out our taxes according to his conscience.”The United States Tax Code does not compel married folks to file a joint return.A husband and wife can file separately.Butterbuns, if she truly believes all the sh*t she writes, should demonstrate her convictions by reporting and remitting the correct tax.It seems the least she can do.After all, her hero LTC Col. made a greater sacrifice to the cause.

    Very true. During the time between my separation and my divorce, I filed taxes separately from my husband. Good thing, too – he didn’t filed for at least a year or two, and the IRS tried to find him at my house a couple of years after the divorce….

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    Black Lion December 21, 2010 at 9:27 am #

    GeorgetownJD: Yet, for all her conviction that Obama is not “acting as President” because he “failed to qualify” before January 20, 2009, Butterbuns is unwilling to put her convictions to the test by refusing to accept the benefits of the new tax law that the non-President signed last week. When asked if she would be paying the higher pre-Bush marginal tax rate that would have gone into effect had Obama not signed the legislation or whether she would be returning the 2% FICA reduction to the United States Treasury, Butter weasels out on what she believes to be a technicality — that the law would have become effective in any event as the result of a pocket veto. Also, she lays the blame squarely on her husband:“For me personally, my husband does our taxes; we file a joint return. He doesn’t make waves so he would do whatever Turbo Tax tells him to do and take the penalty if it turns out we paid too little because Obama was proven to have “failed to qualify”. That would be the most pleasing fine I would ever have to pay. I would dance and sing to pay that fine. lol.I, being the quiet, submissive wife, would let my husband figure out our taxes according to his conscience.”The United States Tax Code does not compel married folks to file a joint return. A husband and wife can file separately. Butterbuns, if she truly believes all the sh*t she writes, should demonstrate her convictions by reporting and remitting the correct tax. It seems the least she can do. After all, her hero LTC Col. made a greater sacrifice to the cause.

    Georgetown, BZ is definately a hypocrite. She ignored the question for awhile and finally gave that half assed response. She is hung up on a technicality on an older HI regulation that was replaced, and when that is pointed out to her as well as the letter from HI stating that President Obama’s birth info is not able to be released due to privacy laws, she uses that as her proof that there is a conspiracy by HI to violate their own regulations. And even when the more sane of the freepers point out to her that she is misreading the statute, she keeps going on. She falls into the category of a delusional birther….

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    Black Lion December 21, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    G: Thanks for always keeping us informed of the goings on in crazy-land, BL!Wow…reading all 3 of the BZ postings you provided…just…wow.She is so completely off her rocker and obsessively OCD’ing on coming up with fantasy conspiracies for meaningless minutia that I think she is past the point of a return to sanity!I don’t see how she can continue on much longer with such an unhealthy fixation. She’s liable to end up giving herself a stress-induced heart attack with her intense madness. Just very, very sad and a pathetic way to waste one’s life. Still, I feel more sorry for her students and any family that have to deal with her. They really need to get her help soon.

    G, no problem. I find it fascinating to observe the birthers at places like free republic, the post and fail, citizen wells, or dr kates continually repeating the same discredited nonsense and dreaming of that day when the President is led out of the White House in handcuffs….However I will say that BZ does take the cake. Her lack of logical thinking is amazing.

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    Black Lion December 21, 2010 at 9:36 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): He’s over at cout-martial now? Did he get tired of being made a fool over at caaflog too?

    I guess he did…And judging by his posts, he hasn’t learned anything….

    “lie-guy” 12.20.10 at 18:55
    How much information about a candidate’s past do we, the voters, have a right to?

    Everything that has direct bearing on eligibility for the office, at the least.

    It’s a legal document, it’s good enough to use to get a passport, and it contains the key piece of information needed in this case: place of birth = Honolulu.

    The point is not that the COLB has less information, but that it represents the testimony of the current DoH rather than that of the officials who purportedly recorded the birth originally; so there is no way for the general public to know beyond a reasonable doubt that he was born in HI except the original documentation be published.

  65. avatar
    Dave December 21, 2010 at 10:04 am #

    Over at Dr Kate I saw a comment by “eddie h” that tickled me:

    bill— i am aware of issas wealth but he must be forced to rock the boat or as far as im concerned be forced out of office plus arrested for misprison of felony of treason and fraud. we are at a stage where we cannot afford to play games with anybody. they either stand up with us for the constitution or go down with all the other obots.

    Got that? Rep. Issa better investigate the President’s eligibility, or else the birthers will vote him out, imprison him, and call him an obot.

    This is going to be a new theme with the incoming Congress, as the birthers are confronted with the reality that the new GOP controlled House doesn’t care about their conspiracy theory any more than the last one did.

    Still, I don’t expect it to be a big theme — the birthers can’t complain about this without calling attention to it, and I think in general they’d rather not notice that the GOP doesn’t want them.

  66. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett December 21, 2010 at 10:51 am #

    Keith:
    I was just going to point this out to you.
    The folks as CAAFLog are not convinced that it is genuine. It claims to have endorsement from Lakin’s wife, but skeptics abound.

    Hmmm. What’s the reason for their skepticism?

  67. avatar
    Black Lion December 21, 2010 at 11:30 am #

    Dave: Over at Dr Kate I saw a comment by “eddie h” that tickled me:Got that? Rep. Issa better investigate the President’s eligibility, or else the birthers will vote him out, imprison him, and call him an obot.This is going to be a new theme with the incoming Congress, as the birthers are confronted with the reality that the new GOP controlled House doesn’t care about their conspiracy theory any more than the last one did.Still, I don’t expect it to be a big theme — the birthers can’t complain about this without calling attention to it, and I think in general they’d rather not notice that the GOP doesn’t want them.

    Better yet this quote…Sometimes you have to wonder if Dr kate and her birther following actually are this stupid or are they pandering to their audience….

    drkate
    December 19, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    A question to ponder and discuss: does the record in this case– the poor evidence, illegal decisions, and atty puckett’s failure to rigorously protect his client (by not pursuing certain key items helpful to Lakin) create reversible error at appeals? Could the whole case be thrown out on appeal?

  68. avatar
    Black Lion December 21, 2010 at 11:33 am #

    More interesting however is how the birthers stay ignorant. This shows that no matter what evidence Obama shows, the birthers will never accept it nor accept the fact that he is the President of the US….

    Look at the comment by “ohioborn” and Dr Kate’s response….It says it all…

    ohioborn1
    December 20, 2010 at 10:53 am
    The reason that Obama’s election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress and the reason that he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States is that the citizenship of Obama’s parent (or even two parents) has no relationship to his Natural Born Citizen status.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’st attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

    “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

    drkate
    December 20, 2010 at 11:48 am
    ohio, this is such trash and you know it. Intellectually dishonest to say the least. Your comment stays here because it illustrates how truly stupid and dishonest you obots are. But you will not be able to post here again. Good luck with your head up your a$$ hope it smells good to you.

  69. avatar
    G December 21, 2010 at 11:37 am #

    Black Lion: More interesting however is how the birthers stay ignorant. This shows that no matter what evidence Obama shows, the birthers will never accept it nor accept the fact that he is the President of the US….

    Look at the comment by “ohioborn” and Dr Kate’s response….It says it all…

    LOL! Yeah, perfect illustration. Telling birthers the truth and trying to educate them just pisses them off.

    All they do, when confronted with reality is stick their fingers in their ears and cover their eyes and stomp their feet and dig in further to denial.

    “ohioborn” was obviously correct. Dr. Kate is the one who is deluded and in denial and who just can’t handle the truth.

  70. avatar
    Black Lion December 21, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Sorry I forgot the link….

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/the-navy-commander-versus-col-obot/

    And as usual more proof of the ignorance of the birther mind….

    herbie
    December 20, 2010 at 8:22 pm
    God bless you all.

    Obama used his BS line that he was not running for President but Senator, twice!

    That very same debate.

    I saw it, and I remember the early Obots that tried to explain away why Keyes refered to why our Constitution wanted an American only to stand against threats from foreign enemies.

    I sure as hell remember the defense from the call in C-span double header of Keyes and Obama reply I saw.

    I don’t care what anyone says, it happened because I saw it.

  71. avatar
    G December 21, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    G:
    LOL!Yeah, perfect illustration.Telling birthers the truth and trying to educate them just pisses them off.All they do, when confronted with reality is stick their fingers in their ears and cover their eyes and stomp their feet and dig in further to denial.“ohioborn” was obviously correct.Dr. Kate is the one who is deluded and in denial and who just can’t handle the truth.

    Furthermore, I love how, unlike birthers, “ohioborn” provides his information in a clear, non-confrontational manner and SOURCES everything he states to show its legitimacy.

    And what does Dr. Kate do when confronted with the truth? She resorts to angry attacks and “bans” him from future posts.

    Just shows that the birthers have to resort to blacklisting real information to maintain their false propaganda facade.

  72. avatar
    Black Lion December 21, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    G: Furthermore, I love how, unlike birthers, “ohioborn” provides his information in a clear, non-confrontational manner and SOURCES everything he states to show its legitimacy.And what does Dr. Kate do when confronted with the truth? She resorts to angry attacks and “bans” him from future posts. Just shows that the birthers have to resort to blacklisting real information to maintain their false propaganda facade.

    G, I agree with you 100%…The birthers ignore facts and perfer to remain ignorant in the web of lies and deciet that they have constructed….

  73. avatar
    G December 21, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    Black Lion: I don’t care what anyone says, it happened because I saw it.

    Ah…typical birtherism. They don’t care if the tape doesn’t exist at all, or when one does, if it clearly shows nothing matching their crazy claims.

    They “saw” it in their own imagination…and that’s all that matters to them. The real world just hurts their poor widdle fee-fees.

    What a dumb whine anyways…who cares if a politician at one point said he wasn’t planning to run for a certain office and then changes his mind later and does so. Happens all the time.

    The birthers are the most pathetic bunch of whiny, sore losers I’ve ever seen. …well, them and the PUMAs.

  74. avatar
    James M December 21, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    Black Lion: Intellectually dishonest

    I keep hearing this expression. It’s become quite a catchphrase this year. People who say it often seem to be trying to avoid saying that their target is simply “dishonest” and they never demonstrate that the other person is dishonest. It seems to be nothing but a way to add nine syllables to whatever they are saying.

  75. avatar
    G December 21, 2010 at 12:05 pm #

    James M:
    I keep hearing this expression.It’s become quite a catchphrase this year.People who say it often seem to be trying to avoid saying that their target is simply “dishonest” and they never demonstrate that the other person is dishonest.It seems to be nothing but a way to add nine syllables to whatever they are saying.

    Not to mention that they (the birthers) use it wrong in the first place. Providing factual & relevant info to correct the record cannot be construed as “dishonest” in any real sense of the word.

    As always, birthers are nothing but mere projection of how THEY operate & think and can’t deal with any reality that conflicts with their world-of-make-belief comfort zone that they desperately cling to within their own minds.

    So, all they can do, in true bizarro-world fashion, is accuse others of doing what they always do.

  76. avatar
    HORUS December 21, 2010 at 1:45 pm #

    misha: The earth will burn up in 2011:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubereye/3611738524/

    Repent!!

    Jersey plates.

  77. avatar
    Dave December 21, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    Black Lion: [Quoting Dr. Kate:]
    ohio, this is such trash and you know it. Intellectually dishonest to say the least. Your comment stays here because it illustrates how truly stupid and dishonest you obots are. But you will not be able to post here again. Good luck with your head up your a$$ hope it smells good to you.

    Contrast this with another comment she posted the previous day:

    This is a free speech zone on this site, and as you know I am not one to moderate or modify any comments…I am trying to create a safe place here to discuss.

    Right. She doesn’t moderate any comments. She just deletes comments.

    She often uses that phrase “safe place” to refer to her blog. I think it indicates that she sees any disagreement as an attack.

  78. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) December 21, 2010 at 4:56 pm #

    Black Lion: Sorry I forgot the link….http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/the-navy-commander-versus-col-obot/And as usual more proof of the ignorance of the birther mind….herbieDecember 20, 2010 at 8:22 pmGod bless you all.Obama used his BS line that he was not running for President but Senator, twice!That very same debate.I saw it, and I remember the early Obots that tried to explain away why Keyes refered to why our Constitution wanted an American only to stand against threats from foreign enemies.I sure as hell remember the defense from the call in C-span double header of Keyes and Obama reply I saw.I don’t care what anyone says, it happened because I saw it.

    Didn’t Keyes campaign even say this didn’t happen in the debate? I’ve heard things from it happening during the debate to it being backstage. It changes with every reiteration. I find it funny a post and email says two witnesses claim they’ve seen the footage. One “witness” says he was perusing all over Leo’s blog as well as the post and email and heard a story about how someone supposedly saw this footage and then this “witness” suddenly “remembered” that he “saw” it too during the debate. Such crack journalism!

  79. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) December 21, 2010 at 4:57 pm #

    Dave: Contrast this with another comment she posted the previous day:Right. She doesn’t moderate any comments. She just deletes comments.She often uses that phrase “safe place” to refer to her blog. I think it indicates that she sees any disagreement as an attack.

    Haha if I had access I would quote the post she made right below her post to ohioborn

  80. avatar
    Judge Mental December 21, 2010 at 6:30 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: Hmmm. What’s the reason for their skepticism?

    Yep, that would be interesting to hear…..but in the meantime, since I’ve always been a bit of a gambler, for once on this subject I’m going to take a walk on the wild speculation side, like a demented birther with zero evidence (but without the birtherism attached) and wildly guess on pure instinct that naturalborncitizenparty, mr strunk and the terrylakinactionfund are all at the very least closely linked to each other in other than just a simple “all are birtherism fans” sense. If I knew how to insert a winking smiley I would. 😉

    Merry Christmas to all over in USA when it comes..

  81. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) December 21, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    Haha what a good laugh: over at dr kates blog

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/the-navy-commander-versus-col-obot/

    Gullible Birther
    December 21, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Thanks LTC Lakin for providing us an outlet to accept many 10s of dollar donations on your behalf. The money well had just about dried up after the previous 72 cases were dismissed in court and so you provided us with a new cause célèbre. Much like those during the Terri Schiavo affair we had the foresight and huge juevos to go with our guts and collect on your misery. We went against all evidence, reality, better judgment and every possible notion that could be considered sane to provide a support group for like minded scammers. For this we will be forever grateful. So please tell your former colleagues to step up to the challenge and question Obama’s eligibility so that we can continue keeping the paypal buttons clicking.

    Best,
    The Movement

  82. avatar
    Rickey December 21, 2010 at 8:41 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett:
    Hmmm. What’s the reason for their skepticism?

    From what I’ve seen, it’s mostly gut feeling.

    The admin address shown by WHOIS matches Lakin’s home address in Maryland, but anybody could have registered the domain with his address and without his knowledge.

    I did a quick medical licensing search on his wife and didn’t find anything, but she may be licensed under her maiden name.

  83. avatar
    Dave December 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm #

    I see some speculation here about terrylakinactionfund.com, so I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that it’s legit.

    Here why: if it isn’t, it’s not likely they can get away with it. Since they state that the money is for Lakin’s legal and family expenses, the only way they can abscond with the money is if Lakin never hears about it. That seems unlikely.

  84. avatar
    aarrgghh December 22, 2010 at 12:32 am #

    Dave: I see some speculation here about terrylakinactionfund.com, so I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that it’s legit.Here why: if it isn’t, it’s not likely they can get away with it. Since they state that the money is for Lakin’s legal and family expenses, the only way they can abscond with the money is if Lakin never hears about it. That seems unlikely.

    all i can say is think again. these are birfers we’re talking about, after all …

  85. avatar
    Judge Mental December 22, 2010 at 8:50 am #

    In view of later posts, just want to ensure there’s no misunderstanding of what I said. My walk on the speculative wild side didn’t speculate about terrylakinactionfund not being ‘legit’ in the sense that any net money raised will probably go to terry lakin.

    My speculation is confined solely to an instinct that strunk, naturalborncitizenparty and terrylakinactionfund are probably very closely related parties, even if they consist of more than one or two people in total in the first place.

  86. avatar
    HORUS December 22, 2010 at 11:09 am #

    Black Lion: All our institutions including the Supreme Court and military have been compromised and brain washed by progressive ideas and political correctness and they have lost sight of the founding documents and their true meaning and intent.

    I just love all those Progressive ideas coming from Scalia and Alito.

  87. avatar
    HORUS December 22, 2010 at 11:57 am #

    G: True, but if any cosmic event of that magnitude hit, we wouldn’t have any advance notice and we’d be completely destroyed before we could even realize what was happening…

    In reality the beam would have to be focused on earth for 24 hours to kill everyone/everything, which is not probable.
    Those on the opposite side of the planet at the time of the event would probably survive. But would they want to?

  88. avatar
    G December 22, 2010 at 12:17 pm #

    HORUS:
    In reality the beam would have to be focused on earth for 24 hours to kill everyone/everything, which is not probable.
    Those on the opposite side of the planet at the time of the event would probably survive. But would they want to?

    Good points.

  89. avatar
    Majority Will December 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm #

    HORUS:
    In reality the beam would have to be focused on earth for 24 hours to kill everyone/everything, which is not probable.
    Those on the opposite side of the planet at the time of the event would probably survive. But would they want to?

    And the Food Network would be conflicted on whether or not to cover the world’s biggest barbecue ever.

  90. avatar
    Sef December 22, 2010 at 4:24 pm #

    HORUS:
    In reality the beam would have to be focused on earth for 24 hours to kill everyone/everything, which is not probable.
    Those on the opposite side of the planet at the time of the event would probably survive. But would they want to?

    And what wasn’t fried would be subject to a huge genetic change & evolution experiment.

  91. avatar
    Slartibartfast December 22, 2010 at 6:11 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: However, in yet another case of Hoofinmouthitis, I see that someone already HAS created a fund for Lakin and his family

    http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com

    it’s pretty smarmy and vomit-inducing, but it has been up since November 15th, apparently. So, oops on me.

    Question: Can anyone find an example like this of a birther correcting themselves?

  92. avatar
    Keith December 22, 2010 at 7:54 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett:

    Sorry, I didn’t see your query until now. I think others have answered, but I’ll keep reading the thread to make sure and get back to you if not.

  93. avatar
    Keith December 22, 2010 at 8:02 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: Hmmm. What’s the reason for their skepticism?

    I think it was mainly just distrust of the con-artists and their paypal honeypots. Somebody checked the addresses and they seemed reasonable, like Rickey said, but their is just no separate confirmation.

    Someone came onto the thread claiming to be associated with the site, claiming it was legit and had Mrs. Lakin’s support. That did nothing to quiet the skepticism.

    I think they want Mrs. Lakin to give a press conference acknowledging her support. Why is she spending millions of paypal dollars hiding herself away like this?

  94. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    Humorous writings by original “flying monkey” birther over at the Post and eFail….

    “Officers:

    It is my hope that this message will proceed chain-of-command style from Matthew, through Robert, and eventually to Carla and Karl. I purposely do not use the honorary military titles since in this instance they are not meaningful.

    The recent military trial and conviction of Terry Lakin causes a considerable rumbling among the body politic. You may not be aware of the amplitude of this reaction due to the fact that you are all apparently comfortably ensconced in what may be thought of as the career “military cocoon” and surrounded by those who also are shielded from the opinions of the general public. Please do not take that in any pejorative sense, as that’s not how it is meant. I’m merely trying to make you aware of the millions of “ordinary” Americans and how your military court system is now viewed by them.
    ………….

    The number of Americans who believe that Terry was abominably treated and unfairly sentenced and is now serving a grossly-overblown punishment is, you may be surprised to learn, numbered in the millions and not merely a handful of over-wrought kooks as the print and TV media likes to continually wrongfully promote. Ironically enough, many of these millions themselves are veterans of US military service and see the matter as the huge blot that it really is upon not only the military itself but upon our country as a whole.
    ………………….

    As it is, the UCMJ has made the implicit ruling by its actions that Obama IS eligible for the office and his orders are lawful when the UCMJ has no (and should not have) such jurisdiction over contraverting and/or defining the words of the Constitution – yet the UCMJ has incorrectly done this.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/12/22/the-military-cannot-presume-obama-is-qualified/

  95. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 11:33 am #

    More Post and eFail nonsense….A letter addressed to former LtC Lakin in Leavenworth…

    “Allow me to introduce myself. I am Edward C. Noonan, of the People’s Republic of California. I ran against Democrat/Socialist Barbara Boxer as a 3rd party candidate (American Independent Party.) (US Senate CA) Of course, the political process in America is so corrupt, that 3rd party candidates haven’t a chance in the world to gain a foothold in the election process. And the corrupt media ignores anyone except the two BIG BUCKS parties and give free news accounts of these parties, yet ignore the other 3 to 4 parties on the ballot.
    ……………

    I was termed out as State Party Chair in Sept 2008; however I had been instrumental in starting the war cry of the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN (NBC) issue of Mr. Soetoro. I left office, and the person who took my slot as chairman took up the fight. He (Markham Robinson) and Alan Keyes sued the Secretary of State, Debra Bowen demanding that she vet Mr. Soetoro. She won in court when she said it wasn’t her job to vet anyone…that she was only in charge of elections. (?) The judge agreed. Gary Kreep who led the legal matter was also my attorney when part of the AIP wanted Chuck Baldwin to be the Presidential candidate…I wanted Alan Keyes. My faction of the party and I won.
    ……………

    As you must know by now, there have been three instances of non-qualified candidates being elected to the office of the President and Vice President. The first, of course, was Chester Arthur. He was not a natural born citizen; therefore the Constitution has been dead since then. The next, was Spiro Agnew. He was only VICE PRESIDENT, but he still is required to be NATURAL BORN CITIZEN since he is next in line for the office of President should something occur to place him there.

    There is nothing I can do about past “deaths of the Constitution,” but perhaps I can do something about this third constitutional crisis… I was only 20 years old at the Spiro Agnew eligibility scam (1969), and I wasn’t alive in 1891 when Chester Arthur was the bogus Commander in Chief, but I AM ALIVE FOR THIS CURRENT MATTER REGARDING MR. SOETORO.
    ……………..

    The mainstream media, for the most part of course, is completely ignoring anything to do with the illegal alien status of Mr. Soetoro. Not one of the news anchors want to question the fact that in his book DREAMS OF MY FATHER Soetoro stated that he went to Pakistan. There is NO US PASSPORT on file showing that he traveled with a US passport, so therefore we conclude he traveled as an INDONESIAN CITIZEN. And you also know, there is an internet copy of his INDONESIAN SCHOOL RECORD showing him to be listed as an INDONESIAN CITIZEN. We all want to know WHEN DID HE GET HIS AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP BACK!

    The only mainstream media piece on you was Maureen Dowd’s hit piece, regarding BONEHEAD BIRTHERS. I did a reply stating that I objected to be called a BONEHEAD CONSTITUTIONALIST. The Post and Email printed it. It is on several of my blogs as well.

    As a former US Army E5 (1969-1974), I am concerned that our bogus Commander in Chief is an illegal alien and not a citizen of the United States…let alone a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. I am advocating that he be deported back to Indonesia with haste!

    And too, Mr. Soetoro needs to answer the matter of a Kenyan Land Minister announcing in Parliament that Mr. Soetoro “was born in Kenya and not even a NATIVE born American.” What does this Kenyan Land Minister know that we don’t?

    Retired Major General Paul Vallely and Radio Show Host Peter Boyles did a good interview together. I did a partial transcription of this interview and posted it and my reply to Maureen Dowd’s liberal puke-piece on the internet…and have copied both and enclosed them both here in this letter.

    As I have said in the above, I plan to write a daily letter and get it out to you AND ON THE INTERNET. I shall appeal to as many in Congress and to the Supreme Court to intercede in your favor. I shall hound the news media, hound the public and especially hound the Military to wake up and see that this bogus Commander in Chief (CIC) is wrong for this country, wrong for the White House and has especially WRONG for what his treachery (as a bogus CIC) has done to you!

    Before he is deported back to Indonesia (or Kenya, which ever will accept him) he needs to apologize for the way he has deceived the American people and more notably he needs to apologize to the thousands of patriots like you and me who have strived to defend the Constitution from it’s multiple deaths from secret combinations that have conspired against it.
    …………….

    I can assure you, I will be sending no letters, no food, no supplies, or books to this former ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF via Leavenworth snail-mail! I would not want to waste a .42 stamp!

    But then again, I may be joining you shortly? Surely the White House has spies all around you. All of the addresses of those who write to you will be collected and deposited with Homeland Security and I may be getting a midnight knock on my door. According to Military Judge Lind (who you know so well) it is against Military policy to “embarrass” the bogus Commander in Chief! Isn’t this why you are locked away in confinement…so once they have possession of this letter here, WILL I BE NEXT?

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/12/22/former-senatorial-candidate-stands-up-for-lt-col-terrence-lakin/

  96. avatar
    G December 23, 2010 at 11:37 am #

    Black Lion: FROM POSTER ON PEST & FAIL:

    “The number of Americans who believe that Terry was abominably treated and unfairly sentenced and is now serving a grossly-overblown punishment is, you may be surprised to learn, numbered in the millions and not merely a handful of over-wrought kooks as the print and TV media likes to continually wrongfully promote. Ironically enough, many of these millions themselves are veterans of US military service and see the matter as the huge blot that it really is upon not only the military itself but upon our country as a whole.”

    Ahh… good old birther math. It just keeps getting more exaggerated with time. LOL!

    Yeah, “millions”…. yeah, right. *chuckles*

    That would be a first for birtherdom, wouldn’t it?

    Of course, when a birther says “millions” he/she means themself and at most, a handful of his fellow cranky internet buddies.

    Although, with the likelihood of severe mental illness in many hardcore birthers (at least based on the evidence of their online rants), it is quite possible that these inflated numbers are them adding up all the various voices in their heads as separate people…

    😉

  97. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 11:37 am #

    More examples of birthers heads exploding….Courtsey of the Post and eFail…

    “Using only the quietest and most humble voices to disagree with the Dictator-in-Chief, Republican leaders continued to bow and scrape to the usurped and, therefore, illegal authority claimed by Barack Hussein Obama to function as POTUS. In other words, as The Obama bows to foreign leaders–therefore placing the USA in a subservient position to them–the GOP establishment RINOs (aka Marxist/Democrat plants) continue to bow to The Obama.
    …………..

    However, rather than acknowledge what We-the-People literally shouted to Congress with our 2010 midterm election votes, the old corrupt establishment Republicans in Name Only (predominantly but not entirely in the Senate) offered only the mildest pretense of fighting the Marxist/Leninist tyrants now occupying the once people’s White House. Instead, RINOs joined with the Marxist Party to vote in the heavily-detrimental-to-the-USA START (which effectively gives the defense of the USA to the whims of Russia), the repeal of DADT and the Marxist “voice-only vote” to take over OUR country’s food supply (including its distribution) of the United States–effectively giving the Marxists (should they so choose) the power to starve-out any segment of the society it wishes. Don’t think it can happen? It already has in both Soviet Russia and Mao’s China–where millions and millions of people were–by design–murdered. Note: Both of these countries were ruled by Marxist/Leninists when these atrocities occurred.
    ………………

    We voted for gridlock over the continued dismantling of the United States of America; not more destruction to OUR country. And as we did so, the factual evidence that Barack Hussein Obama is not a natural-born or otherwise US citizen continued to mount…and mount…while the RINO “faithful” continue to beg for alms from the Usurper and Dictator-in-Chief.

    Note: Attorney Stephen Pidgeon has a logical, if not brilliant, dissertation on both Obama’s ineligibility to hold any elected position in the USA, let alone that of POTUS and cites multiple US codes (two include 18 U.S.C. 1017 and 1028) already on the books that deal with this type of fraud and the punishment to be rendered. Such punishment may include 15 years in prison. In other words, contrary to popular opinion, there actually ARE remedies to the continuing swindle and hoax that strongly appears to have been perpetrated upon the US public by both Obama and the leaders of the Marxist-Democrat Party.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/12/23/gop-continues-to-play-supplicant-to-marxist-obama-our-nation-under-siege/

  98. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    G: Ahh… good old birther math. It just keeps getting more exaggerated with time. LOL!Yeah, “millions”…. yeah, right. *chuckles*That would be a first for birtherdom, wouldn’t it?Of course, when a birther says “millions” he/she means themself and at most, a handful of his fellow cranky internet buddies.Although, with the likelihood of severe mental illness in many hardcore birthers (at least based on the evidence of their online rants), it is quite possible that these inflated numbers are them adding up all the various voices in their heads as separate people…

    G, as usual you are correct. We all know that millions really translate into about 100 or so hard core birthers like Robert Laity, who post on every birther site and are seriously mentally unbalanced…

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    G December 23, 2010 at 11:44 am #

    Black Lion:

    KOOKY EDWARD C NOONAN WRITES TO LAKIN: “I can assure you, I will be sending no letters, no food, no supplies, or books to this former ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF via Leavenworth snail-mail! I would not want to waste a .42 stamp!”

    Huh? The rest of his rant I could somewhat understand that he plans to be a typical annoying obsessed birther and write whiny harassing letters and calls on a daily basis.

    Nothing more than typical birther FAIL SPAM.

    But this part…about food, supplies and books? It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever at all.

  100. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 11:50 am #

    G: Huh? The rest of his rant I could somewhat understand that he plans to be a typical annoying obsessed birther and write whiny harassing letters and calls on a daily basis. Nothing more than typical birther FAIL SPAM.But this part…about food, supplies and books? It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever at all.

    G, you are assuming that birthers makes sense….remember they are irrational and suffering from Obama derangement syndrome….Their ability to engage in cognative thought has seriously been diminished…I think this idiot was pretending that somehow President Obama would be in Leavenworth and he would not send him anything….That shows how detached from reality these guys are….

  101. avatar
    G December 23, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    Black Lion: More examples of birthers heads exploding….Courtsey of the Post and eFail…

    “Using only the quietest and most humble voices to disagree with the Dictator-in-Chief, Republican leaders continued to bow and scrape to the usurped and, therefore, illegal authority claimed by Barack Hussein Obama to function as POTUS. In other words, as The Obama bows to foreign leaders–therefore placing the USA in a subservient position to them–the GOP establishment RINOs (aka Marxist/Democrat plants) continue to bow to The Obama.

    …continues on with *blah blah blah* – complete bizarro world fabrications, totally contrary to any of the actual policy provisions within the laws just passed…

    Boy, it must really such living in the delusional alternative universe bizarro-world that only exists within the birthers warped minds. What a frightening place with commie-like bogeymen out to get them and screw them over at every turn.

    Thankfully, none of their warped view of things has any bearing in reality.

    These birthers who believe this nonsense have to be utterly miserable 24×7 and in constant shear terror from their imaginary fears. How do they even function to get out of bed every morning?

    Future self-induced heart attack and/or asylum victims – the lot of them!

  102. avatar
    G December 23, 2010 at 11:55 am #

    Black Lion: G, you are assuming that birthers makes sense….remember they are irrational and suffering from Obama derangement syndrome….Their ability to engage in cognative thought has seriously been diminished…I think this idiot was pretending that somehow President Obama would be in Leavenworth and he would not send him anything….That shows how detached from reality these guys are….

    LOL! Is that what he meant?

    Trust me BL, I never assume that birthers make sense.

    But I figured I’ve been exposed to enough of their sanity to be able to translate the crazy.

    Thanks for help with the translation on this one. I think it deserves an award for lamest birther fantasy idle threat yet.

  103. avatar
    Lupin December 23, 2010 at 12:08 pm #

    Black Lion quoting a lunatic: However, rather than acknowledge what We-the-People literally shouted to Congress with our 2010 midterm election votes, the old corrupt establishment Republicans in Name Only (predominantly but not entirely in the Senate) offered only the mildest pretense of fighting the Marxist/Leninist tyrants now occupying the once people’s White House. Instead, RINOs joined with the Marxist Party to vote in the heavily-detrimental-to-the-USA START (which effectively gives the defense of the USA to the whims of Russia), the repeal of DADT and the Marxist “voice-only vote” to take over OUR country’s food supply (including its distribution) of the United States–effectively giving the Marxists (should they so choose) the power to starve-out any segment of the society it wishes. Don’t think it can happen? It already has in both Soviet Russia and Mao’s China–where millions and millions of people were–by design–murdered. Note: Both of these countries were ruled by Marxist/Leninists when these atrocities occurred.

    This is so disconnected with anything even remotely resembling reality that I’m in awe that a functioning mind can hold such thoughts.

    I would expect the originator of these words to be not unlike a “walker” in THE WALKING DEAD, ambling along aimlessly looking for fresh meat.

    On a somewhat connected note yesterday I left a very non confrontational post on dr.kate, merely to state that, speaking as a French guy, Vattel didn’t actually say what one guy there was saying he said; I didn’t challenge any of their Obama theories, said I had no position on the issue of his legitimacy, etc, etc.

    The post was deleted in less than two hours.

    They really really really can’t stand the truth, can they?

  104. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 12:19 pm #

    Lupin: This is so disconnected with anything even remotely resembling reality that I’m in awe that a functioning mind can hold such thoughts.I would expect the originator of these words to be not unlike a “walker” in THE WALKING DEAD, ambling along aimlessly looking for fresh meat.On a somewhat connected note yesterday I left a very non confrontational post on dr.kate, merely to state that, speaking as a French guy, Vattel didn’t actually say what one guy there was saying he said; I didn’t challenge any of their Obama theories, said I had no position on the issue of his legitimacy, etc, etc. The post was deleted in less than two hours.They really really really can’t stand the truth, can they?

    Lupin, of course she deleted your post. She knows she is wrong. She is like all of the others, moderates her blog to make it seem to her and her sheeple that everyone thinks like they do. Which is why those idiots think that there are millions of supporters out there when there aren’t. Remember she got only 3 people to attend her “usurperthon”. Impressive. She will leave up one post so that her and her idiotic birther faithful can attack the poster without any ability for him to defend himself, as I showed in the other thread. Dr Kate needs to join the ugly list if she is not already there….

  105. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    WND…Hilarious as usual….What a cesspool…They are still pimping Lakin for donations while some birthers are upset that they are not allowed to address Lakin as LtC Lakin anymore…..

    “Army public affairs officer Lt. Col. Rob Manning today asked WND readers appealing for clemency for imprisoned “birther” Dr. Terrence Lakin to send their pleas to Lakin’s defense counsel, not to the officer with authority to free Lakin, Maj. Gen. Karl Horst.

    “We’re getting a lot of calls,” said Manning, the director of public affairs for the Joint Force Headquarters, National Capital Region.

    Manning emphasized clemency requests should be sent to Maj. Matthew Kemkes, Lakin’s defense counsel. Kemkes’ e-mail address is matthew.kemkes@us.army.mil.

    Manning declined to estimate how many calls he and his secretary had answered.

    “I don’t know, but it’s been quite a few,” said Manning.

    Lakin backer Margaret Hemenway told WND yesterday that the Army had received 300 calls by 12:30 p.m., even before Manning’s phone number appeared on WND.”

    ……………..

    The former lieutenant colonel intended to use the pre-trial “discovery” process to obtain documents that would determine whether orders handed down by President Obama, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, are legally valid.

    Lakin hoped to force Obama to produce identity documents, such as his birth certificate, that would answer conclusively whether Obama is a “natural-born citizen,” the constitutional requirement any American must meet to serve as president of the United States.

    The court martial judge, Col. Denise Lind, refused to give Lakin discovery. She also refused to allow his defense to introduce evidence and experts who could explain the constitutional issues involved in the case or discuss when a soldier’s duty requires him to disobey orders.

    Obama has steadfastly refused to produce the 1961 copy of his birth certificate, his adoption records, passport records, travel records, school records and many other papers that would document his identity. His eligibility to serve as president remains unproven, so his authority as commander-in-chief is open to question.

    Lakin supporters have established a fund to support Lakin’s legal defense and provide for the needs of his wife and children while he is incarcerated at Fort Leavenworth.

    Financial contributions should be sent to the Terry Lakin Action Fund, the only fund authorized by Lakin’s family. Donate online at Terrylakinactionfund.com using any major credit card, or mail checks made payable to the Terry Lakin Action Fund, PO Box 1116, Bel Air, MD 21014.

    Cards and letters, but no packages, can be sent to Lakin at the following address, and should not mention rank: Terrence Lakin #89996, 830 Sabalu Road, Fort Leavenworth, KS 66027.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=242665

  106. avatar
    G December 23, 2010 at 1:08 pm #

    Black Lion: “I don’t know, but it’s been quite a few,” said Manning.

    Lakin backer Margaret Hemenway told WND yesterday that the Army had received 300 calls by 12:30 p.m., even before Manning’s phone number appeared on WND.”

    Yeah, of course they are up to their usual harassment tricks. So, BFD. Every nutbag birther is wasting their time as usual with annoying calls and letters.

    The only estimate out there of an actual # is from Hemenway. So, birther math being in force, not even the paltry 300 number can be trusted. It is either a huge exaggeration or more than likely consists of the same few idiots calling over and over and over again, as they are won’t to do.

    If they were truly such a big movement and this was their #1 cause celebre, with all of the main birther sites pimping the need to call, then the number of calls would have been in the hundreds of thousands by now.

    EPIC FAIL for the birthers, as usual.

  107. avatar
    Daniel December 23, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    Black Lion: It is on several of my blogs as well.

    Notice in Noonan’s letter to Lakin he referred to “It is on several of my blogs as well.”

    I suspect that most of the hard core birthers run several “mirror” blogs each, and post and repost to all the other birther mirror blogs as well. This gives the appearance opf numbers when you do a google search.

  108. avatar
    The Magic M December 23, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    > and should not mention rank

    Is that another birther invention-turned-meme now? Or is there any substance behind it? I can hardly imagine Ft. Leavenworth gives a hoot whether mail is addressed “LTC Lakin” or “Mr. Lakin” or “His Royal Highness the Formidable Unique Super-Admiral (6 stars) Lakin”…

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    The Magic M December 23, 2010 at 2:42 pm #

    > I would expect the originator of these words to be not unlike a “walker” in THE WALKING DEAD

    At least the walkers had *some* degree of brain activity… 😉

  110. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

    Let WND’s Loving Portrayal of Terrence Lakin’s Martyrdom Begin
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    A couple days ago, we described how Joseph Farah and WorldNetDaily must be happy would-be birther doctor Terrence Lakin has been convicted and imprisoned by the military for disobeying order, since he feeds WND’s birther fanaticism much better in prison than as a free man.

    As we predicted, WND is getting serious about portraying Lakin as a martyr.

    A Dec. 20 article by Brian Fitzpatrick described how “as Dr. Terrence Lakin was being processed at the Fort Leavenworth military prison Monday morning, well-wishers were bombarding Army authorities with requests for clemency.” The article provided an address to send Lakin cards as well as listed the phone number for the Army public affairs officer to “the ‘Convening Authority’ over the former lieutenant colonel’s court martial,” whom a Lakin supporter encouraged like-minded birthers to “call, write, email and fax” because he “has the authority to accept or reduce the sentence handed down by Lakin’s court martial panel, or to order Lakin released.” Of course, Fitzpatrick made sure to include contacts for donating to the “Terry Lakin Action Fund.”

    Fitzpatrick followed the next day with an article quoting the Army public affairs officer asking people to stop calling him and pointing that out he and the “Convening Authority” are the wrong people to contact. Fitzpatrick includes the email address of the defense counsel the public affairs officer said to contact.

    Farah, meanwhile, was burnishing Lakin’s martyrdom credential in his Dec. 21 column, complete with biblical imagery and a sneering glance at gays:

    Terrence Lakin was not allowed to speak up in his own defense. He was not permitted to use the power of discovery to prove his innocence. He was not granted the right to introduce evidence.

    He was an innocent lamb led willingly to slaughter.

    That a man like this, committed at all costs to the integrity of the Constitution and to truth, would be sentenced to prison and discharged from the military he loved while the Congress of the United States votes to allow open homosexuality in the armed forces says a great deal about the state of our nation.

    Farah leaves out the little matter that Lakin isn’t “innocent” — there’s no question Lakin committed the crime of disobeying orders that he was accused of. He was merely prevented from getting into the birther stuff because it’s irrelevant to the immediate matter of whether he disobeyed orders. As we noted earlier, it’s an issue of maintaining the system of military discipline that Farah has yet to address.

    Farah goes on to spew more hatred at the president:

    Beginning in a few short weeks state legislatures will come back into session in 50 states.

    In several of those states you will see bills introduced to require future presidential candidates to prove their constitutional eligibility to get on the ballot.

    When you see that happening, it will spell the beginning of the end of Obama’s charade.

    I no longer believe it is likely that Obama can pass that test.

    If he could, why wouldn’t he just release it? Would he really let a man like Terrence Lakin go to jail when he could prevent it so easily? If he could, what kind of a man is Barack Obama?

    If I’m right about these moves in the state legislatures, Obama will have a choice to make in 2012. If he wants to seek re-election, he will have to produce the evidence so many of us have longed to see. Or, he will have to forgo his ambition and not seek re-election. If he chooses the latter path, you and I will know why. Remember, it will not be because of any of the excuses he offers. It will not be because he wants to spend more time with Michelle and the kids. It will not be because of a mysterious health concern. It will not even be because his popularity ratings are so low – though I have no doubt they will be.

    It will be because he can’t or won’t prove his own constitutional eligibility.

    Let’s hope his successor has the decency to offer a full pardon for the man who stood up and tried to get the truth out two years earlier – Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin.

    But not before Farah and WND milk Lakin’s martyrdom for all it’s worth.

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/

  111. avatar
    G December 23, 2010 at 3:32 pm #

    The Magic M: > I would expect the originator of these words to be not unlike a “walker” in THE WALKING DEADAt least the walkers had *some* degree of brain activity…

    (Excellent reference to a great TV show & comic BTW)…

    Well, the Walking Dead only really have brain stem functionality and therefore only autonomic body functions, such as the use of senses and the ability to eat and walk around….

    I guess the main improvement of the Walking Dead over the birthers is that all the Walking Dead can do to communicate is grunt…. so at least they are less noisy than the birthers and unable to spread b.s. 😉

  112. avatar
    G December 23, 2010 at 3:38 pm #

    Black Lion: Let WND’s Loving Portrayal of Terrence Lakin’s Martyrdom Begin
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    A couple days ago, we described how Joseph Farah and WorldNetDaily must be happy would-be birther doctor Terrence Lakin has been convicted and imprisoned by the military for disobeying order, since he feeds WND’s birther fanaticism much better in prison than as a free man.

    Yeah, Farah and the rest of the con-artist WND propaganda scum are going to milk this for all they can. While they continue to mislead their flock and solicit donations, they directly ask for actions that can have no other result except to annoy officials. But then again, I’m sure all branches of government and military are used to having to deal with the occasional delusional cranks out there, so other than a complete waste of time and money, at what point does WND run out of worthless fools errands for its gullible flock?

  113. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 3:51 pm #

    And from Orly’s house of horrors….She reposts a letter to the Lakin public affairs officer, I think….The usual nonsense but more interesting is that she allowed someone to dissent on her blog…Maybe the peroxide dripped in her eyes and she slipped up….

    A letter from a patriot Patricia Levy to director of the public affairs for the U.S. Army Washington DC area Col Manning

    From: Patricia A. Levy
    To: robert.manning1@us.army.mil
    Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 8:20 am
    Subject: LTC Terry Lakin

    Dear Sir,

    A terrible travesty of justice has occurred. Ltc. Terry Lakin is a true patriotic soldier. Why is he being punished? I am ashamed of our justice system, or should I say injustice system. Why wasn’t he allowed discovery, or the opportunity to present his evidence and testimony from others who know the truth about Obama? The truth will eventually come out and then we will know who really was the patriotic soldier. The judge should be court martialed and removed from her position. Because she doesn’t want to embarass Obama is not a good enough reason to obstruct justice and destroy a true patriot, who truly is trying to defend this country from the destruction that is coming from within our government that is supposed to be protecting its citizens.

    It is in your power to undo the injustice that has occurred. We need more men like Terry Lakin to stand up for the truth, instead of the chain of command that just sweeps the truth under the rug. This brave man risked everything because he thought justice would be served and he trusted the system. Don’t let that trust be destroyed. Please revisit this situation and do the right thing. This is your chance to be a true hero. Do you have the courage of Ltc. Terry Lakin? We are asking you to restore Ltc.Lakin to his former position and return all of his benefits, and then do the investigation that should have been done before the election.

    Remember, you took an oath, too.

    Sincerely,

    A truly concerned U.S. citizen
    Patricia A. Levy

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=16669

    And in the comments…

    Chum Lee
    December 22nd, 2010 @ 9:13 am
    Orly,

    I fail to see your logic (and I won’t go into the issue regarding the birth certificate since we both know where each other stands).

    Mr. Lakin (yes, he is now “Mr.”) waived his Article 32, and got new counsel. These were all his choices. He could have chosen to plow ahead with his original plan, and had grounds for an appeal. He did not, and like we all learn when we are children – choices have consequences.

    He made a choice and it did not work out. Where is the duress? You cannot plead duress when you through an entire allocution before a judge/jury/etc. It is not duress when you get rulings that are subjectively horrible (or objectively for that matter). A gun was not pointed to his head, and if there was a gun, he missed out on raising that issue. Because, guess what, it is too late to raise that issue.

    The admission is therefore worth the paper and transcript it is written on, as is his guilty plea. It is over for him.

    Litigants everyday are stuck with evidentiary and other trial decisions from judges that they disaprove of, but they do not then plead guilty and admit that the prosecution was correct. They, unlike Lakin, take their licks and push through. In fact, he appears to have accepted his fate, but no other birthers have. Time to find a new martyr.

    I once again wish to raise my concerns with all of the chickenhawks out there (the ones that called Lakin a traitor and turncoat for changing legal strategies). Instead of hoping that soldiers refuse to follow orders, why don’t you all start breaking the law, and when you get arrested demand to see Obama’s papers.

    Birthers have a number of places to do this as Obama has signed a number of bills into law already. You can commit a federal crime, and when the DOJ comes after you say the US Attorney was nominated by Obama and has no authority, or the same thing about Holder or an Obama appointed judge, etc.

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    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    And of course the usually bigoted and marginally insane Lame Cherry is still beating the Lakin dead horse with her/his usual ridiculous screed….I guess now Lakin is a POW….

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/12/pow-terry-lakin.html

    “It is important in the next months for Americans to rally to the support of Terry Lakin as the Obama regime and their political officers have become the Vietcom in torturing this fine American by putting him into federal prison.
    ………

    It is in this that all Americans must unite to the survival of Terry Lakin. In Christian virtue we should remember the innocent in prison with cards and letters.

    Regulations prohibit the sending of food or packages, but letters introducing yourself, thanking him for his service, telling him about your interests and just showing concern for another human deprived by our own Governement of liberty while Obama runs free is what giving a cup of water to someone in Christ’s Name is about in mercy.

    Please do not remind Terry Lakin of the bad things as he knows that, but uplift him as his knowing Americans care about him, beyond Christmas, New Years and when the cycle winds down is important for him.

    Please also do not address letters as Lt. Col. as that is a burr in the saddle to these Obamites in their regulations in the crime they just committed on this fine American, depriving him of his standing in the United States Military.”

  115. avatar
    Black Lion December 23, 2010 at 4:41 pm #

    LTC Lakin is apparently confined at new Midwest Joint Regional Correctional Facility, not USDB
    By Dwight Sullivan, December 21, 2010

    WorldNetDaily has posted this report about LTC Lakin’s supporters’ campaign to obtain clemency for him. The article provides a mailing address for supporters to send letters, cards, and money orders to him. That address is 830 Sabalu Road, Fort Leavenworth.

    The USDB is on Warehouse Road. The new Midwest Joint Regional Correctional Facility, which opened in September and started receiving inmates in October, is at 830 Sabalu Road. It replaces and consolidates confinement facilities at Fort Sill, Fort Knox, and Lackland Air Force Base. So LTC Lakin will apparently serve his sentence not at the USDB, but at the Midwest Joint Regional Correctional Facility. That new facility is just a few hundred yards away from the USDB.

    The road on which the new confinement facility sits is named for Master Sergeant Wilberto Sabalu Jr., an MP and corrections specialist who was killed alongside COL James Harrison while they served as detention mentors for the Afghan National Army in 2007.

    http://www.caaflog.com/2010/12/21/ltc-lakin-is-apparently-confined-at-new-midwest-joint-regional-correctional-facility-not-usdb/#comments

  116. avatar
    Daniel December 23, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    G:
    (Excellent reference to a great TV show & comic BTW)….I guess the main improvement of the Walking Dead over the birthers is that all the Walking Dead can do to communicate is grunt…. so at least they are less noisy than the birthers and unable to spread b.s.

    OTOH, Zombies rapidly multiply, whereas Birthers can’t seem to get any significant numbers to buy into their disease.

  117. avatar
    Daniel December 23, 2010 at 4:47 pm #

    G: at what point does WND run out of worthless fools errands for its gullible flock?

    Farah will never run out so long as he can invent new fool’s errands when needed.

  118. avatar
    G December 24, 2010 at 12:23 am #

    Black Lion: QUOTING CHUM LEE:

    “I once again wish to raise my concerns with all of the chickenhawks out there (the ones that called Lakin a traitor and turncoat for changing legal strategies). Instead of hoping that soldiers refuse to follow orders, why don’t you all start breaking the law, and when you get arrested demand to see Obama’s papers.

    Birthers have a number of places to do this as Obama has signed a number of bills into law already. You can commit a federal crime, and when the DOJ comes after you say the US Attorney was nominated by Obama and has no authority, or the same thing about Holder or an Obama appointed judge, etc.”

    LOL! I love it! Right on, Chum Lee, right on!

    I nominate this quote for Dr. C’s quote section.

  119. avatar
    Lupin December 24, 2010 at 2:15 am #

    I’m proud to have introduced the Walkers vs Birthers controversy. Let’s sum up:

    W B
    Inability to form
    coherent thoughts X X

    Poor personal hygiene X X

    Hotter, wetter, tighter X

    Obsessive compulsive
    behavior X X

    Successful in spreading
    their contagion X

    Proliferate in large
    numbers X

    I think overall the advantage goes to the Walkers.

  120. avatar
    Lupin December 24, 2010 at 2:16 am #

    I see my poor attempt at formatting a table didn’t work. Too bad.