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Bunk document analysis at WND

I thought that WorldNetDaily had a moment of decency when Bob Unruh wrote:

While there may be other challenges to the document’s authenticity that bear further scrutiny, it appears that the “layer argument” can be easily explained….

Tests on other PDF images produce an effect similar to the multiple layers extracted from Obama’s document.

Assuming that this statement is true, and I can verify that it is, what do we make of this article at WND, Online ‘birth certificate’ document ‘was changed’ also by Unruh?

A computer document expert who analyzed the online image of Barack Obama’s purported Certificate of Live Birth for WND confirmed there are anomalies inconsistent with a simple scanning process, and there is evidence it has been manipulated, but there’s no way to determine exactly what may have been modified.

In yet a third article, Hawaii detective charges: ‘Birth certificate’ a fraud, WND cites a named “expert” Ivan Zatkovich that contradicts the experts cited in the first article:

When a paper document is scanned on a scanner and saved as a PDF file it normally contains only a single layer of graphical information.

Having personally scanned a document with Adobe Acrobat, I know that layers are created and Zatkovich is full of it.

Of course WorldNetDaily is just fanning the controversy by reporting crank views, and not taking sides. It’s what they do.

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23 Responses to Bunk document analysis at WND

  1. avatar
    El Diablo Negro May 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm #

    This is a bit OT but interesting.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/09/deathers-new-hampshire-skeptical-bin-laden-death_n_859371.html

    It is not surprising and I think this will be tougher to debunk than birtherism. Only because of the nature of the mission and the Top Secret info that cannot be released. This feeds the conspiracy. Personally, I would like to see the photo’s of the dead Osama, but that does not mean I believe he is not dead. As far as the helicopter stealth secrets? meh, i’ll trade that for the death of Osama any day. Just my 2 cents.

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    richCares May 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm #

    the Takeyuki Irei story will finally force the usurper out, just wait and see. WND guarantees the Obama will be out of office in 2017, so I pushed their paypal many times, I have a callous on my forefinger. What great news, finally an OMG moment to drive paypal pushes. All of you need to rush over and push it. Thank you Corsi, and freedom marches on. NO O
    .
    BAMA PRESIDENT IN 2017.

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    The Magic M May 9, 2011 at 12:55 pm #

    > I would like to see the photo’s of the dead Osama, but that does not mean I believe he is not dead

    Seeing the photos will not mean he’s dead or he wasn’t dead for 10 years. No photo can ever convince you if you don’t want to be convinced.

    Likewise, you could have a birfer look at the original LFBC in the Hawaiian archives and have 100 forensic experts state it’s real, he still won’t be able to reach that conclusion on his own and will thus only infer “the experts have been bought or threatened or support Obama”.

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    Greg May 9, 2011 at 1:04 pm #

    Let’s see. We think OBL’s dead. They think he’s dead. Seems to me that for all practical purposes, he’s dead.

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    Slartibartfast May 9, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

    Looks like that was only the tip of the iceberg – I think Farah is probably going to roll out a new lie every day until the book is released. It will be interesting to see how long he tries to keep it up AFTER next Tuesday…

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=296293

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    Bob May 9, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

    Let Osama prove he’s alive.

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    Joey May 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm #

    Would a scan of a picture of a dead Osama bin Laden done with Adobe Acrobat have layers? 😉

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    Majority Will May 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    Greg:
    Let’s see. We think OBL’s dead. They think he’s dead. Seems to me that for all practical purposes, he’s dead.

    And now there’s a new, 6 ft., 4 in. coral reef forming at the bottom of the North Arabian Sea courtesy of the U.S. Navy. It’s the Circle of Life.

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    Majority Will May 9, 2011 at 1:25 pm #

    Joey:
    Would a scan of a picture of a dead Osama bin Laden done with Adobe Acrobat have layers?

    Probably not but a CAT scan would.

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    El Diablo Negro May 9, 2011 at 1:48 pm #

    Bob:
    Let Osama prove he’s alive.

    Rumors of his death have NOT been exaggerated.

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    El Diablo Negro May 9, 2011 at 1:50 pm #

    Slartibartfast:
    Looks like that was only the tip of the iceberg – I think Farah is probably going to roll out a new lie every day until the book is released.It will be interesting to see how long he tries to keep it up AFTER next Tuesday…

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=296293

    I am always of the mindset that eventually some lies will stick. But some of these birfers fail to realize all the lies that have been proved to be lies…and dismiss them.

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    Slartibartfast May 9, 2011 at 1:58 pm #

    El Diablo Negro: I am always of the mindset that eventually some lies will stick. But some of these birfers fail to realize all the lies that have been proved to be lies…and dismiss them.

    The way I see it, Farah is all about making money off of the birthers. I’m sure he had this publicity campaign planned long in advance – although it must have taken some time to incorporate the LFBC release into his lies…

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    J. Edward Tremlett May 9, 2011 at 2:26 pm #

    I’;m going to go digging through WND to see exactly when and how Farah started moving the goalposts from “show us the long form” to “it doesn’t matter cause his daddy’s from Africa!”

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 9, 2011 at 5:09 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: I’;m going to go digging through WND to see exactly when and how Farah started moving the goalposts from “show us the long form” to “it doesn’t matter cause his daddy’s from Africa!”

    I wanna know when he’s going to pay that $15,000 with no strings attached.

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 9, 2011 at 6:18 pm #

    Joey: Would a scan of a picture of a dead Osama bin Laden done with Adobe Acrobat have layers?

    It depends on whether it was scanned as a “color photo” or a “color document.”

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    richCares May 9, 2011 at 7:48 pm #

    when I visit a birther site that claims “Military will rise against Obama”, I send the link to Obama being cheered by the troops
    Drives them Crazy!!!!
    .
    here’s a link of what the Troops think of Obama:
    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=17346

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    Lee May 10, 2011 at 7:05 am #

    richCares:
    when I visit a birther site that claims “Military will rise against Obama”, I send the link to Obama being cheered by the troops
    Drives them Crazy!!!!
    .

    Can you quote some of their replies?

    I don’t want to visit their website.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 10, 2011 at 12:41 pm #

    Lee: Can you quote some of their replies?I don’t want to visit their website.

    Any pictures of them saluting Obama? Then you could say you mean Rise up like this?

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    Majority Will May 10, 2011 at 1:41 pm #

    Lee: Can you quote some of their replies?

    I don’t want to visit their website.

    “I expected that at some point, somewhere, someone in the military was going to stand up and say, “Mr. Obama, you can go to Hades. We’ve had enough.” – LCDR Walter Fitzpatrick

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=17255
    (a good site)

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    Paul Pieniezny May 10, 2011 at 1:48 pm #

    I think they got the Ivan Zatkovich nonsense from here:

    http://www.allrightmagazine.com/politics/papa-president-keep-us-from-what-is-silly-or-unsafe-8418/#more-8418

    That one was published on May the seventh, believe it or not. Well after Osama’s death.

    Some birthers are really unbelievable. These guys do not even like Trump.

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    Paul Pieniezny May 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm #

    I think they got the Ivan Zatkovich nonsense from here:

    http://www.allrightmagazine.com/politics/papa-president-keep-us-from-what-is-silly-or-unsafe-8418/#more-8418

    That one was published on May the seventh, believe it or not. Well after Osama’s death.

    Some birthers are really unbelievable. These guys do not even like Trump.

    Paul Pieniezny:
    I think they got the Ivan Zatkovich nonsense from here:

    http://www.allrightmagazine.com/politics/papa-president-keep-us-from-what-is-silly-or-unsafe-8418/#more-8418

    That one was published on May the seventh, believe it or not. Well after Osama’s death.

    Some birthers are really unbelievable. These guys do not even like Trump.

    I got that wrong, probably because it seemed like a complete statement of Ivan’s views in the third person. But wnd and other birther and right-wing sites had quoted him before.

    See:

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread694949/pg100

    Second of May, so still after Osma’s death. By the way, thanks to the Abottobad event, the Orly-Stormfront Axis has now been joined by an unexpected ally:

    http://www.imammahdiarrival.com/

    “Return of the Caliphate” was or is also one of the main goals of the Chechen/Ichkerian terrorists/freedom fighters. So, is there a link between Orly and Chechnya after all?

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    Daniel May 10, 2011 at 5:00 pm #

    Don’t know if it’s been reported yet, but for anyone who is interested…

    Look’s like Corsi’s new book “Where’s the Birth Certificate” (sic), is already in the half price bin, a week before it’s released.

    List Price: $25.95
    Price: $14.11
    You Save: $11.84 (46%)

    clipped from http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Birth-Certificate-Eligible-President/dp/1936488299/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305060878&sr=8-1

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    Majority Will May 10, 2011 at 6:21 pm #

    Daniel:
    Don’t know if it’s been reported yet, but for anyone who is interested…

    Look’s like Corsi’s new book “Where’s the Birth Certificate” (sic), is already in the half price bin, a week before it’s released.

    List Price:$25.95
    Price:$14.11
    You Save:$11.84 (46%)

    clipped from http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Birth-Certificate-Eligible-President/dp/1936488299/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305060878&sr=8-1

    What a waste of trees.