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Terry Lakin homecoming event

Dr. Terry Lakin, the army doctor who was jailed for trying to force Obama to release his birth certificate by disobeying a deployment order, returns home tomorrow to a planned supporting demonstration coordinated by the Terry Lakin Action Fund. The TLAF hopes to have a few hundred supporters carrying homemade signs show up. Afterwards, lunch.

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152 Responses to Terry Lakin homecoming event

  1. avatar
    richCares May 13, 2011 at 11:12 pm #

    what a great homecoming this will be, so may people will show up to congratulate him on his amazing achievement which amounted to nothing, nothing at all. He may even wear blue tights (Blue Falcon ID) in celebration, what a hero.
    .
    Hating Obama causes brain damage.

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    Sean May 13, 2011 at 11:20 pm #

    Why is he being released? Did he serve his time?

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    misha May 13, 2011 at 11:35 pm #

    Sean: Why is he being released? Did he serve his time?

    Time reduced for good behavior. Usually, the reduction is 1/3.

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    misha May 13, 2011 at 11:37 pm #

    “TLAF hopes to have a few hundred supporters carrying homemade signs show up. Afterwards, lunch.”

    I’ll have a club sandwich, hold the mayo. My dog will get the bacon; she’s not kosher.

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    G May 13, 2011 at 11:54 pm #

    I think it would be hilarious if angry military families showed up in counter protest, with signs reading “Blue Falcon”..

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    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 12:19 am #

    Considering the huge success the Birthers have had with past events, Lakin supporters waiting to welcome him home could number in the dozen

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    Slartibartfast May 14, 2011 at 12:59 am #

    Daniel:
    Considering the huge success the Birthers have had with past events, Lakin supporters waiting to welcome him home could number in the dozen

    I stand by my prediction of many to several ones of people. Actually, given the events of late, I’m guessing that this will draw any birther that can possibly make it (Theresa Cao, for one – and maybe the massive Usurpathon crew [I’m sure dr k(H)ate wishes she could be there too, but most unemployed people can’t afford a trip to DC to see a coward…]).

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    richCares May 14, 2011 at 1:17 am #

    “welcome him home could number in the dozen”
    it’ll be closer to 300,000 and they all willl arrive in a single mini van (as they do at all birther rallys)

  9. avatar
    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 1:27 am #

    KenyanBornObamAconr:

    Can’t run from the FACTS!

    How fortunate we are then, that you don’t have any.

  10. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 14, 2011 at 1:28 am #

    [KenyaBornObamAcorn is being banned for spamming, being unable to act in a civilized manner and for generally being obnoxious. It’s a qualify of life thing. KBOA has declared jihad against people who participate in the Fogbow forum and put my photo in a YouTube video that claims that folks on the Fogbow forum helped to sabotage Terry Lakin’s defense by getting him represented by an attorney who is really working for Obama. It is deeply bizarre. Doc.]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefILwDwMwg

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    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 1:35 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    SEEK and YE shal find! Link is right in front of your face!

    I’m sorry. were we talking about facts, or were we talking about your Birther propaganda link?

  12. avatar
    G May 14, 2011 at 1:47 am #

    meaingless rant followed by meaningless random video from a crazy person

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: another meaingless rant followed by meaningless random video from a crazy personblockquote>

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: yet another meaingless rant followed by meaningless random video from a crazy person

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: SEEK and YE shal find! Link is right in front of your face!

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: final pathetic shameless plug from a crack pot desperate to drive views to his meaningless amateur youtube videos…

    *yawn* oooh… you can make whiny videos on youtube to rant like a kook… well, heck, what kook doesn’t. Face it, you are just a hack nut and simply not interesting enough to waste time on watching your private little flights of tantrum fancy.

    Hey, guess what… when you wake up tomorrow – Obama will still be POTUS. And the next day. And the next day. And the one after that too… Sure sucks to be you!

    Hey, guess what – your crying over spilled milk on Lakin. He already lost and was punished, so you’ve lost that argument months ago. No magic genie can go back in time and take away his months spent serving behind bars…

    …Then again, you’re still crying over spilled milk on an election that was decided overwhelmingly over 2.5 years ago…so you’re nothing but a serial sore loser.

    *waaah* Sucks to be you.

  13. avatar
    misha May 14, 2011 at 2:37 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: Your Messiah is TOAST!

    Obama does not believe in witches, and cannot see Russia from his front porch. Obama also believes in the 1st Amendment, and believes in Darwinian evolution.

    You can’t say that about Palin or Huck. Palin and Huck are the leaders of the American Taliban. Ezra Benson was Eisenhower’s Ag sec. When asked why the Mormon church refused black members, Benson replied “darkies are good people, and they have their place.”

    Google it – if you know how.

    I’ll take Obama over your Messiah any day.

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    G May 14, 2011 at 2:45 am #

    Misha –

    Your comment got me thinking about the strong connection between Dominionistic Fundamentalism mentalities and RWNJ crazy thinking…

    I wasted time reading through all of Lakin’s jail journals. Sounds like he’s one of those theocratic RWNJ too… or at least he’s become more of one over the past few months.

    I highly doubt that Blue Falcon douchebag is repentent at all.

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    Slartibartfast May 14, 2011 at 2:50 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    Hey Kevin,

    Check out my NEW video on the FogBlowers!

    You’ll love it, I think!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefILwDwMwg

    Now that’s truly pathetic. I guess you don’t care about the troops which the cowardly Blue Falcon Lakin put at risk with his craven refusal to follow the lawful order of a Congressional Medal of Honor winner – an officer who refuses to follow a lawful order during a time of war is lucky not to be executed, in my opinion… It’s my sincere hope that Lakin’s act of cowardice follows him for the rest of his life and that he comes to realize how badly he has shamed his uniform (that thankfully he will no longer be able to wear).

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    misha May 14, 2011 at 2:58 am #

    G: I highly doubt that Blue Falcon douchebag is repentent at all.

    That bravo foxtrot is going to spend the rest of his life licking his wounds, just like Orly and Avigdor Lieberman.

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    misha May 14, 2011 at 3:16 am #

    G: Your comment got me thinking about the strong connection between Dominionistic Fundamentalism mentalities and RWNJ crazy thinking…

    “I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards” – Huckabee

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/11/few-words-from-mike-huckabee.html

  18. avatar
    Lupin May 14, 2011 at 3:33 am #

    Turns my stomach, frankly.

    If there was an ounce of decency and patriotism in that town, she should be shunned like a leper.

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    obsolete May 14, 2011 at 6:34 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn is indulging in the latest local batch of bathtub meth.
    If I were a betting man, I would bet with Methhead Tracy that Obama won’t be out because of some poor YouTube mishmash. That is, if I thought KBOA would actually pay up… If I thought that KBOA actually had any money…

    She is correct on one thing; that YouTube video is a FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD

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    Viking (Phil Cave) May 14, 2011 at 7:27 am #

    He would have been credited with five days per month of automatic “good time” when he walked in the door.

    BWI is one of the several coming home points for Soldiers returning from A/Stan and Iraq and other deployments and overseas assignments. In fact I see uniformed military personnel in every airport I’ve been to these days. I wonder if any of them will notice as they pass by such a formation and be confused.

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    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 7:53 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: YOU ARE SCUM and a TRAITOR to your country!

    Really?

    I would have thought someone who wants to burn the constitution, suspend the rule of law,and overthrow the democratically elected government would be the traitor…. you know, someone like you.

  22. avatar
    Viking (Phil Cave) May 14, 2011 at 8:01 am #

    Dear KenyaBornObamaAcorn:

    I came to this country many years ago. I was lucky. I was able to go to college and law school immediately. While in law school I joined the UNITED STATES Navy. I then served a total of 20 years, six months, and five days on active duty in the United States Navy, in the service of my adopted country. I served on ships, I served overseas, and I went to Gulf I. I have an honorable discharge. So I think my citizenship and loyalty credentials are sound.

    I have viewed the video. It is hilarious I love it, thanks for the link! And thanks for the proof that Dwight and I were right all along. I know, I know. To you it’s a conspiracy.

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    Scientist May 14, 2011 at 8:16 am #

    Viking (Phil Cave): I then served a total of 20 years, six months, and five days on active duty in the United States Navy, in the service of my adopted country. I served on ships, I served overseas, and I went to Gulf I. I have an honorable discharge

    The only “serving” KBOA has done was the 15 minutes he lasted as a waiter at Denny’s.

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    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 8:23 am #

    Scientist: The only “serving” KBOA has done was the 15 minutes he lasted as a waiter at Denny’s.

    That was cruel, unfair, and completely uncalled for.

    Dennys has much higher standards for screening prospective employees than that.

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    Bovril May 14, 2011 at 8:48 am #

    oooooh threaty from “that rough looking blonde in jeggings” How ya doing Heather?

    Now, for the terminally brain fecked Borfoon that you are.

    Lakin is a cowardly buddy fecker who was courtmartialed and sent down for acts that should have gotten him a lot longer.

    His simple minded stupidity ensured that the only loser was…..him and his family, he admitted, in court that he had no standing and was guilty and as such has no legal recourse to any reinstatement, “quo warranto” or other since word salad you cretins keep babbling.

    I find it particularly telling and sad that on leaving prison he was met by less than a half dozen people, none of whom where his family and his first piece of business was NOT returning home but going on a whiny web cast.

    Now remember Heather, this buddy fecker of was the direct cause of reduced care to ACTUAL soldiers, injured in the line of DUTY when his antics caused his replacement to have insufficient time to train up and integrate with his team. A fact pointed out at his court martial where his replacement told the court of a mass casualty event on his 3rd day of deployment.

    Lets also not forget that this coward is also a thief. Even though he knew and had stated on the record he was not going to deploy he took paid pre-deployment leave, something his replacement didn’t have time for.

    Coward, buddy-fecker, thief, liar, all the typical characteristics of a Birfoon.

  26. avatar
    roadburner May 14, 2011 at 9:01 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: Yeah, it will follow him, straight to the White House!Cain/Lakin 2012

    i had my doubts before, but now i´m certain you´re doing too much meth.

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    roadburner May 14, 2011 at 9:13 am #

    BTW, the birfoons have been ranting around the web as to why those `lefty liberals´ amnesty international didn´t pick up on `political prisoner´ terry lakin´s case.

    i ain´t got the heart to tell them that A.I. take up the cases of political prisoners and not those of easily led idiots

  28. avatar
    Sean May 14, 2011 at 9:17 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: YES and so should Obama:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefILwDwMwg

    Oh you’re going to be disappointed! Especially in 2012 when Obama wins. It’ll be doubly as painful when that Black man was originally elected ad you had to find an excuse why reality was wrong. You’ve been wandering around in a daze ever since muttering “We can’t have a negro president, we can’t have a negro president, something has to be wrong.”

    I’d suggest you see a doctor about a medication that’ll help you cope. Racism can be hell on your blood pressure.

  29. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 14, 2011 at 10:52 am #

    Viking (Phil Cave): I have viewed the video. It is hilarious I love it, thanks for the link! And thanks for the proof that Dwight and I were right all along. I know, I know. To you it’s a conspiracy.

    As someone pictured in the video, I didn’t find it at all funny. I found it a personal assault.

  30. avatar
    misha May 14, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    Sean: I’d suggest you see a doctor about a medication that’ll help you cope.

    Thorazine.

  31. avatar
    Black Lion May 14, 2011 at 11:58 am #

    Tracy’s delusions are becoming more pronounced…That video was hilarious…She uses the Dragnet intro (Sgt. Joe Friday) but uses “Dick Tracy” as the detective….I guess she must have never watched either show…But the leaps in innuendo and fictional theories made me give that video a half a star out of 5…

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    richCares May 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm #

    do these people actaully believe that video, are they that deluded?

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    Arthur May 14, 2011 at 12:17 pm #

    Scientist: The only “serving” KBOA has done was the 15 minutes he lasted as a waiter at Denny’s.

    Actually, I’m pretty sure I spotted KBOA working the Mongolian grill at HuHot in North Dakota. You elitist, East-Coast lefties (and yes, I’m talking to you Misha), will have to Google “HuHot”–they don’t have any in Liberalstan.

  34. avatar
    Majority Will May 14, 2011 at 1:07 pm #

    If you could reason with racist birthers, there would be no racist birthers.

  35. avatar
    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    Still no pictures or video from the Baltimore airport, which leads me to believe it was a flop, numbers wise.

    The only mention I’ve been able to find of a witness to the “event” is from

    http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2719871/posts?page=1

    Where the poster mentions a “few dozen” or “about 100”, which if memory of past events serves, indicates there were maybe 20.

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    G May 14, 2011 at 2:21 pm #

    Bovril: I find it particularly telling and sad that on leaving prison he was met by less than a half dozen people, none of whom where his family and his first piece of business was NOT returning home but going on a whiny web cast.

    Just for clarification and accuracy, according to the photos and story over at his handler’s website, it was 3 people who met him when he was released, one of whom was his brother Greg and they also had a legit reason for his original “welcoming” to be small:

    Greg Lakin waits for Terry. Across the street Jim and Peggy wait in the parking lot. Any non-registered greeters could cause them to drive by and run Terry back to the prison.

    Not that I like to l link over to there, but the pictures and accounts of his initial release can be found here:

    http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/terryisfree.html

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    G May 14, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

    Daniel: Still no pictures or video from the Baltimore airport, which leads me to believe it was a flop, numbers wise.The only mention I’ve been able to find of a witness to the “event” is fromhttp://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2719871/posts?page=1Where the poster mentions a “few dozen” or “about 100‘, which if memory of past events serves, indicates there were maybe 20.

    EIther way, whether a few dozen, up to 100 or a number much, much smaller…that probably gives us a good indication of the pathetically small limits in size that birtherism is ever going to be able to muster.

    After all, Lakin is their martyr figure and with all the other birther bubbles being burst lately, the only desperate straw of a symbol they have to cling to in their woes.

    Face it, they are a washed-up movement, reduced to fawning over a dishonored military criminal, as if that is somehow, something perversely to be proud of…

    I think that fairly well sums up just how bottom of the barrel these birthers really are…

  38. avatar
    Suranis May 14, 2011 at 2:39 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: As someone pictured in the video, I didn’t find it at all funny. I found it a personal assault.

    I was pictured at the end of the video too. I liked how sinister I looked.

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    Slartibartfast May 14, 2011 at 2:59 pm #

    G: EIther way, whether a few dozen, up to 100 or a number much, much smaller…that probably gives us a good indication of the pathetically small limits in size that birtherism is ever going to be able to muster.

    I agree that whatever the size of the crowd, the birthers are unlikely to be able to muster bigger crowds in the future. I noticed someone on the Freep thread claiming to have bought the last copy of Corsi’s book at the airport bookstore (which I believe comes out on Tuesday) – pretty pathetic to lie about something as trivial as that…

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    Slartibartfast May 14, 2011 at 3:03 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: As someone pictured in the video, I didn’t find it at all funny. I found it a personal assault.

    Yes, it’s amazing how chilling even a threat that you don’t find credible is when it makes use of your real name – I imagine that your picture makes it even more sobering.

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    Bovril May 14, 2011 at 3:21 pm #

    Well “G” based on a reality based view of the world, the Borfoons are doing the small lie AGAIN.

    The “registered ” people would be those allowed on military property, as many as they like can wait outside.

    Lakin was released that means he’s signed his paperwork, he’s out, the military will not “run him back in again” except possibly if his life was in immediate danger.

    So again utter Birfoon BS, the reality is NO ONE CARES.

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    Viking (Phil Cave) May 14, 2011 at 3:25 pm #

    Slartibartfast: Lakin was released that means he’s signed his paperwork, he’s out, the military will not “run him back in again” except possibly if his life was in immediate danger.

    I think what they refer to is his status under the UCMJ (not USMJ) until he receives his DD214 discharge certificate. Until his appeals are complete he remains in the Army. He will be placed on unpaid appellate leave. During that time he is still subject to the UCMJ. That means he could be prosecuted under Article 88, UCMJ (http://goo.gl/4l02), for certain comments he might make about the president and others.

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    G May 14, 2011 at 3:36 pm #

    Bovril: Well “G” based on a reality based view of the world, the Borfoons are doing the small lie AGAIN.The “registered ” people would be those allowed on military property, as many as they like can wait outside.Lakin was released that means he’s signed his paperwork, he’s out, the military will not “run him back in again” except possibly if his life was in immediate danger.So again utter Birfoon BS, the reality is NO ONE CARES.

    Bovril –

    First, you know darn well I’m NOT a Birfoon NOR a Lakin supporter.

    I am a long time poster here and don’t appreciate the attitude you just expressed towards me in this latest post.

    All I pointed out is WHO did show up to greet him and where I got that source info. The words and explanation as to “why” there weren’t more people was THEIR explanation on his site – not mine. Hence why I put it in blockquotes in the first place.

    My main point of clarification is that we have some indication of WHO DID greet him when he was first released – his BROTHER GREG (which is family…so that is a slight correction from a statement you made about “no family”, which was wrong) and TWO other people.

    They have the pictures there showing those folks with him upon his release and with the names labelled.

    I always live in reality. Don’t give me guff because I pointed out a factual correction in your statement. Check your attitude at the door.

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    Bovril May 14, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    G , didn’t say you’re a birfoon, said the self serving bull from the TLAF site is.

    Their comments about why the turn out was so low is simple, self serving nonsense.

    If my comments came across as pointed at you I apologize unreservedly

  45. avatar
    G May 14, 2011 at 3:42 pm #

    Bovril: G , didn’t say you’re a birfoon, said the self serving bull from the TLAF site is.Their comments about why the turn out was so low is simple, self serving nonsense.If my comments came across as pointed at you I apologize unreservedly

    Apology accepted.

  46. avatar
    Suranis May 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm #

    Pictures and some video from the event is at http://arbutus.patch.com/articles/former-army-officer-birther-terry-lakin-freed-from-prison-after-defying-orders

    If that’s 100 people then I’m a watermelon. That’s all I’m gonna say.

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    richCares May 14, 2011 at 5:06 pm #

    I saw the crowd at thr airport, Lakin must be “I did all this for 24 people!”, poor guy. I wonder if he will let such a small group lead to more delusions.

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    Slartibartfast May 14, 2011 at 5:15 pm #

    Suranis:
    Pictures and some video from the event is at http://arbutus.patch.com/articles/former-army-officer-birther-terry-lakin-freed-from-prison-after-defying-orders

    If that’s 100 people then I’m a watermelon. That’s all I’m gonna say.

    First off, given typical birther/teabagger crowd estimates, this must be considered EXTREMELY precise, Mr. Watermelon… πŸ˜‰ (it looked to be off by merely a factor of 3 or 4)

    Secondly, cut the birthers some slack – this did generate an order of magnitude more people than the Usurpathon did. Give them the chance to boast about the turnout before pointing out just how pathetic it was in the overall scheme of things… It’s more fun that way!

  49. avatar
    G May 14, 2011 at 5:25 pm #

    Slartibartfast: First off, given typical birther/teabagger crowd estimates, this must be considered EXTREMELY precise, Mr. Watermelon… (it looked to be off by merely a factor of 3 or 4)Secondly, cut the birthers some slack – this did generate an order of magnitude more people than the Usurpathon did. Give them the chance to boast about the turnout before pointing out just how pathetic it was in the overall scheme of things… It’s more fun that way!

    Nah, I’m enjoying too much realizing how pathetic the turnout is right now! πŸ˜‰

    Definitely not even close to the 100 people exaggeration…which itself would be a pathetic turnout for their “martyr”.

    Simply several dozen fools. That is all. EPIC FAIL by all definitions, especially when this paltry and pathetic showing is amongst the biggest turnout they’ve ever been able to muster.

    Thanks to Bovril & Suranis for providing the links. The video was hilarious… especially the interviews with some of the ignorant supporters babbling all the typical debunked birther nonsense.

    Birtherism will have to find both a new “beard” and a new “meme” in order to try to desperately disguise and peddle their bigotry. All their existing cards in their hand have been played out.

    richCares: I saw the crowd at thr airport, Lakin must be “I did all this for 24 people!”, poor guy. I wonder if he will let such a small group lead to more delusions.

    LOL! Exactly.

  50. avatar
    Dwight Sullivan May 14, 2011 at 6:31 pm #

    Phil “My Liege” Cave sent me a link to the Heather/Tracy video without any explanation of what it was. When I started watching it, and for a significant time thereafter, I honestly thought it was a parody of a birther video. At some point I realized that, no, someone actually believed all of those weird things, including the mutually inconsistent ones. (Which is it: did Phil Cave know in advance how the court-martial was going to turn out or did seeing the LTC Lakin You Tube video lead the members to limit the confinement portion of the sentence to six months?) Birtherism is self-parodying.

  51. avatar
    Reality Check May 14, 2011 at 6:37 pm #

    Y’all want to see Tracy’s picture?

    [Posting of personal information about non-public persons is against the rules here. including identified photos. Doc]

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    AnotherBird May 14, 2011 at 7:07 pm #

    Let see if the Terry Lakin Action Fund is able to raise enough money to give him all the money he lost for disobeying orders. Now that he has served his time, maybe he will find a new hobby.

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    Dwight Sullivan May 14, 2011 at 7:26 pm #

    There’s a questron that I’m embarrassed to admit didn’t occur to me to ask until yesterday. Normally when a servicemember is confined, forfeiture of pay and allowances takes effect 14 days from the date of confinement. But a servicemember with dependents can ask the convening authority to waive automatic forfeitures and pay the servicemember’s pay and allowances to his dependents until the convening authority takes action. I wonder if MAJ Kemkes submitted such a request for waiver of automatic forfeitures and, if so, how the convening authority acted on it. If there was such a request and it was suceesfful, then LTC Lakin’s family would have continued to receive his pay until the CA approved the adjudged forfeitures, which I understand occurred on April 9.

    I think I’ll be submitting some FOIA requests this weekend, though that isn’t exactly the optimal method to acquire information quickly.

  54. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 14, 2011 at 8:00 pm #

    The video that will END the Obama Presidency! Birthers Get Last Laugh & Demand Formal Apology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DHZmeMXyE

    [Exception to ban. I have two comments on your video. First, it is intellectually dishonest. An honest treatment of the question would deal the substantial evidence that refutes the video instead of just being silent. My second comment is that a video is a terrible format for presenting what is essentially text. While there are links to sources, it’s impractical to pause the video and hand copy complicated URL’s. I didn’t see anything new in the video that hasn’t been talked about here over a year ago, so don’t have any unrealistic thoughts that this is a game changer. Doc.]

  55. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: As someone pictured in the video, I didn’t find it at all funny. I found it a personal assault.

    I’ve got like 6 other pics of you DR. CON, would you like me to use a different one in the next video?

    [I would prefer you not use any picture that links me to an activity that I am not involved in. I have no part in any attempts to identify or publish photos of birthers and in fact I deleted a link someone posted to your photo not an hour ago. If you must use a photo, use the one that appears on this blog. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/drconspiracy.jpg By the way, you’re banned here so don’t bother posting.]

  56. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 14, 2011 at 8:47 pm #

    Reality Check: Y’all want to see Tracy’s picture?[Posting of personal information about non-public persons is against the rules here. including identified photos. Doc]

    WHAT, you don’t like my BIG birth Certificate?

    That thing has been to like 5 Tea Parties!

    [Ban exception. I have no problem with your picture, but your name was attached to it. We don’t allow that here. Doc]

  57. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 14, 2011 at 9:07 pm #

    GREAT…I can use this in my next video!

    I can show how you censor me on the fogbow and then leave my thread up with my name at the end.

    I have the most info on you, lkads and loads, well, I got a LOT of Tes Rollins and Mari and Mitzi, but most on you…but xensorshit and thewn comments saying that all WE do is sensor, a bit hypocritical, eh?

    Let me take snapshots of all the banned comments..

    thanks again

    [Ban exception. I have no problem with you saying that I banned you here, just don’t say that I censored you on Fogbow, because I don’t have any administrative authority to ban or censor anybody there. I should point out that if you hadn’t been banned YOU WOULD STILL BE A MEMBER OF FOGBOW JUST LIKE ME. So, as one FOGBOW MEMBER TO ANOTHER, why are you putting my picture in the video as a fogbow member and not yours?

    By the way, I have copies of all your censored comments here. Let’s see what we have…

    1. Friggin OBOTS!
    2. Oh shup up you lame OBOT! Pathetic!
    3. Sucks to be a FogBlow member right now, eh?
    4. PATHETIC!
    5. WOMP WOMP WOMP No ONE is listening!
    6. CRUSH the OBOTS
    7. YOU ARE SCUM and a TRAITOR to your country!
    8. YAP YAP YAP, shup up, would ya!
    9. NOOO, Obviously LOVING him, like you losers do, CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE, cause you obots are beyond the thought process!
    10. FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD
    11. baaaahahahahahahahah
    12. http://i54.tinypic.com/2ql7bet.jpg

    And you expect people to put up with that? Learn how to live in polite society and you won’t get banned. Doc.]

  58. avatar
    Reality Check May 14, 2011 at 9:27 pm #

    I apoligize for posting a link to Tracy’s picture Doc. It was on a public website and she was at a public event welcoming back a convicted felon.

    I agree the video is stupid. I have often wondered why people like KBOA and Lucas Smith use YouTube as a blog. There are certainly better venues.

  59. avatar
    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 10:40 pm #

    Funny how the Birthers always drip and moan when they finally manage to get a rare moderation…. yet there’s not a single birther blog that I’m aware of that allows non-birthers to say much of anything that’s not in line with the birther dogma.

    It seems birthers are only concerned for free speech when it’s their speech.

  60. avatar
    Daniel May 14, 2011 at 10:42 pm #

    misha: Obama does not believe in witches

    I’m pretty sure Obama understands that we Witches do exist. I’m sure he’s familiar with the various forms of religion that exist in the US.

  61. avatar
    Slartibartfast May 14, 2011 at 10:58 pm #

    Daniel:
    Funny how the Birthers always drip and moan when they finally manage to get a rare moderation…. yet there’s not a single birther blog that I’m aware of that allows non-birthers to say much of anything that’s not in line with the birther dogma.

    It seems birthers are only concerned for free speech when it’s their speech.

    http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/

    I stopped commenting there after an anonymous poster threatened me using my real name, but I was allowed to post comments with counter-arguments to birther memes. It’s the only one I know of…

  62. avatar
    G May 14, 2011 at 11:28 pm #

    Daniel: I’m pretty sure Obama understands that we Witches do exist. I’m sure he’s familiar with the various forms of religion that exist in the US.

    Are the males in the religion called Witches too? I take your response as indicating that you are Wiccan. Most Wiccans I’ve ever met has been a pretty friendly people, but I don’t know much about the details of that faith. I always assumed Witch was only a term used by female members.

  63. avatar
    Thrifty May 15, 2011 at 12:09 am #

    Reality Check:
    I apoligize for posting a link to Tracy’s picture Doc. It was on a public website and she was at a public event welcoming back a convicted felon.

    I agree the video is stupid. I have often wondered why people like KBOA and Lucas Smith use YouTube as a blog. There are certainly better venues.

    God, I hate that too. I don’t think anybody can do it well. Too many people get a web cam, turn it on, and ramble for 10 minutes, then upload that crap to YouTube. Sometimes I wish YouTube charged for uploads.

  64. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 15, 2011 at 12:13 am #

    Come have a look at my channel. They do the SAME, returning the favor! Funny it’s OK for you losers to do it, but no one else can!

    [I recognize the problem, and I don’t have a good solution.

    The reason you were banned was because you posted multiple messages on different threads advertising your videos, videos which were not relevant to the topics where you posted them. I might have let that slide, but there were also messages that were inflammatory. The main criteria I use for banning here is to keep the discussion community functioning in a orderly manner (pausing to let the laughter die down).

    That said, I concede that I’m not even-handed in the application of this policy. There are almost 92,000 comments on this blog, and I don’t have the time to spend with each one examining policy and comparing precedent. An established member of the community will get cut more slack than someone who barges in yelling at the top of their lungs; however, I think I’m going to have to do something about some of our established members who seem to be intentionally stirring the pot. I really don’t want to spend my time breaking up fights on the school yard, but it appears that some folks haven’t reached enlightenment yet. Doc.]

  65. avatar
    Daniel May 15, 2011 at 12:14 am #

    G: Are the males in the religion called Witches too? I take your response as indicating that you are Wiccan. Most Wiccans I’ve ever met has been a pretty friendly people, but I don’t know much about the details of that faith. I always assumed Witch was only a term used by female members.

    The title Witch has no gender association. Both men and women are entitled to use it, and most do.

  66. avatar
    G May 15, 2011 at 12:46 am #

    Daniel: The title Witch has no gender association. Both men and women are entitled to use it, and most do.

    I never realized that. Are there other titles that members go by as well? Just curious to learn something new.

  67. avatar
    Daniel May 15, 2011 at 3:16 am #

    G: I never realized that.Are there other titles that members go by as well?Just curious to learn something new.

    No problem, but It’s probably not germane to this blog. Why don’t you drop me a line at my throw-away email canawinner@gmail.com, and you can feel free to ask me anything you like on the subject.

  68. avatar
    G May 15, 2011 at 4:08 am #

    Daniel: No problem, but It’s probably not germane to this blog. Why don’t you drop me a line at my throw-away email canawinner@gmail.com, and you can feel free to ask me anything you like on the subject.

    Thanks. I will do that at some point in the next few days.

  69. avatar
    richCares May 15, 2011 at 8:35 am #

    It was reported that a Christian motorcycle group would be on hand to escort Terry
    .
    yah, all one of them
    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/lakin-motor-cycle-escort/

  70. avatar
    Reality Check May 15, 2011 at 8:41 am #

    Jeez, I guess I should “apoligize” for my spelling of apologize, too. πŸ™

  71. avatar
    Viking (Phil Cave) May 15, 2011 at 11:00 am #

    Dwight Sullivan: There’s a questron that I’m embarrassed to admit didn’t occur to me to ask until yesterday.

    I’m not embarrasessed, but did forget to consider post-trial deferral and waiver of forfeitures as a potential “clemency” action of the convening authority. The answer is that LTC Lakin did request deferment and waiver of forfeitures of pay while confined. The requests were denied. This denial is not unusual. Usually it is only the very junior troops with young children and a non-working spouse who get favorable consideration in a NG case. There are many more times there’s an approval if the person is pleading guilty and there is a pretrial agreement (plea bargain). There was no PTA in this case.

  72. avatar
    Viking (Phil Cave) May 15, 2011 at 11:00 am #

    Viking (Phil Cave): embarrasessed

    Now that’s emabaraseeing.

  73. avatar
    Reality Check May 15, 2011 at 11:27 am #

    Viking (Phil Cave): The answer is that LTC Lakin did request deferment and waiver of forfeitures of pay while confined. The requests were denied.

    Do you think Major Kemkes filed these on Lakin’s behalf?

  74. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 15, 2011 at 11:34 am #

    I have ALL the comments up until I was banned and NO, there is not one thing that I did to warrant the ban, AND YOU KNOW IT!

    It’s because the fogbowers ganged up on foggy and gave him an ultimatum that he better get rid of me. My video will totally prove that “I” did nothing, so keep talking all your smack BIG SHOT, cause i am NOT afraid to show the TRUE facts on ANY subject and I think you are quite aware of that!

    [Ban exception. If I read any part of “your thread” on The Fogbow, I have long forgotten it. I certainly have never urged the banning of anyone at The Fogbow — none of my business. Doc.]

  75. avatar
    Viking (Phil Cave) May 15, 2011 at 11:42 am #

    Reality Check: Do you think Major Kemkes filed these on Lakin’s behalf?

    It would depend on the agreement between Neal and Lakin. I don’t normally contract to do the clemency part because usually I’ve done everything to put the mitigating matters in the record. I usually leave the clemency to the military attorney which does usually include a request for deferment and waiver of forfeitures. It’s a standard request whenever there is a wife and/or children. Not much “labor” goes into it. The biggest issue is getting a “budget” put together to show the convening authority the financial impact on the children..

  76. avatar
    Reality Check May 15, 2011 at 11:47 am #

    Once again Lakin was ready and willing to accept the authority of the questionable chain of command when it would have worked to his financial benefit. Too bad he wasn’t forced to make that agonizing choice once more.

  77. avatar
    Slartibartfast May 15, 2011 at 12:23 pm #

    [Doc C]: That said, I concede that I’m not even-handed in the application of this policy. There are almost 92,000 comments on this blog, and I don’t have the time to spend with each one examining policy and comparing precedent. An established member of the community will get cut more slack than someone who barges in yelling at the top of their lungs; however, I think I’m going to have to do something about some of our established members who seem to be intentionally stirring the pot. I really don’t want to spend my time breaking up fights on the school yard, but it appears that some folks haven’t reached enlightenment yet. Doc.

    As one of the persons who was ‘stirring the pot’, I want to add my public apology to the one I sent you privately – I’m sorry and it wont happen again.

  78. avatar
    G May 15, 2011 at 1:14 pm #

    richCares: It was reported that a Christian motorcycle group would be on hand to escort Terry.yah, all one of themhttp://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/lakin-motor-cycle-escort/

    Hilarious! I particularly like the contrast in pictures between motorcycle escorts for Lakin & Obama shown next to each other as part of that article.

  79. avatar
    Dwight Sullivan May 15, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    Romeo Charlie, Neil Puckett didn’t represent LTC Lakin post-trial, so MAJ Kemkes would have submitted the deferment request on LTC Lakin’s behalf.

  80. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 15, 2011 at 6:00 pm #

    A video link has been added to the main article, courtesy of KenyaBornObamAcorn.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSFNjt53iVE

  81. avatar
    misha May 15, 2011 at 6:28 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: so keep talking all your smack BIG SHOT, cause i am NOT afraid to show the TRUE facts

    As opposed to false facts? “True facts” is redundant.

    Get help. Thorazine at minimum.

  82. avatar
    G May 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: A video link has been added to the main article, courtesy of KenyaBornObamAcorn.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSFNjt53iVE

    LOL! Yep, more shoddy video evidence of the EPIC FAIL wet thud that was the big birther gathering…

    I got quite a chuckle out of some of their calls for him to actually run as a candidate in 2012. LOL! Yeah, that would probably result in a smaller vote margin than write-in votes for Lizard People!

    At what point do birthers that stray away from their safe little keyboards and hidey-hole birther sites rife with sock puppets realize that when it comes to actually showing up anywhere, their numbers are so dismal that fringe doesn’t even begin to describe how tiny of a force they are…?

    You would think their own history of video evidence at this event, Mannings play trial, Dr. k(H)ate’s Ursurpathon, Andy Martin’s endless street-corner “announcements”, etc, etc would start to eventually dawn on them…

    ..As detatched from reality as they are, at some point it has to sink in that they are nothing but the same small, sad sack of mere “handfuls” of delusional people over and over and over again…

  83. avatar
    Mary Brown May 15, 2011 at 8:10 pm #

    I hope Lakin has the sense to quietly put his life back together. There are loads of places in this country where a competent medical doctor could make a difference. Hopefully, he decides to use his skills to help others without engaging in the birther movement or politics. Probably not, but then hope springs eternal.

  84. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett May 15, 2011 at 9:56 pm #

    I’m so, so sorry. I couldn’t not do this.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23553441@N04/5724273671/

    It is grossly unfair, but…

  85. avatar
    G May 15, 2011 at 11:13 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: I’m so, so sorry. I couldn’t not do this.http://www.flickr.com/photos/23553441@N04/5724273671/It is grossly unfair, but…

    I found it quite funny.

  86. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:09 am #

    How’s it feel to not let the truth out?

    Your conscience must be killing you!

    hahahaha, sucks to be you!

  87. avatar
    G May 16, 2011 at 2:47 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: hahahaha, sucks to be you!

    Yet every day you wake up, Obama is still POTUS…and nothing you can do will change that.

    More than 9.5 million people more people voted and elected him than McCain. The electoral college victory margin was overwhelmingly significant in the largest voter turnout in history.

    That is a margin that the GOP, particularly with its weak field, is going to have a very, very difficult hurdle in overcoming in 2012… so your life is going to be filled with waking up to Obama as POTUS for many days and likely years to come…

    …hahahahaha sucks to be you.

  88. avatar
    Bovril May 16, 2011 at 6:06 am #

    [Aggressive, demeaning and bullying comment removed. Doc.]

    Plainly this Birfoon nonsense isn’t getting the darkie in the White House shifted and in fact seems to strength the Presidents position any time he decides to have a laugh at it.

    So, other than actually HELPING his re-election chances, what exactly are you doing to help the current 7 dwarves of the GOP in getting elected?

  89. avatar
    misha May 16, 2011 at 6:16 am #

    Bovril: what exactly are you doing to help the current 7 dwarves of the GOP in getting elected?

    Seven mental dwarves. I cannot wait to see what SNL does to Bachmann. Bachmann is the one who screams ‘socialism’ every time she is in front of a mic. I wonder why she has not returned that $250K farm subsidy? She has principles, right?

  90. avatar
    Majority Will May 16, 2011 at 6:21 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    How’s it feel to not let the truth out?

    Your conscience must be killing you!

    hahahaha, sucks to be you!

    Interesting projection.

  91. avatar
    BatGuano May 16, 2011 at 9:19 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:

    Are you aware that censorship is one of the first stages of a dictatorship!

    doc is working on becoming a dictator? good luck with that. great job security in most evil dictatorship positions. full medical and dental too.

  92. avatar
    The Magic M May 16, 2011 at 9:37 am #

    > Are you aware that censorship is one of the first stages of a dictatorship!

    Oh, the irony!

    So far, the only blogs I’ve seen that employ a strict “any dissenting view vanishes in moderation” are the Stalinist birfer blogs (Post and Email, DrKate’s, CitizenWells, ORYR, Orly, Fellowship of the minds etc.).

    So you’re admitting that birfers are planning to install a dictatorship? After all, it would fit their “let the military arrest the government and install a new leader” calls.

  93. avatar
    Thrifty May 16, 2011 at 9:59 am #

    Geeze Doc. I can’t believe you let this [Personal insult deleted. Doc] first taunt you into letting several posts in under an apparent, ban, but then let her further taunt you into lifting the ban.

  94. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 10:03 am #

    The Magic M: > Are you aware that censorship is one of the first stages of a dictatorship!Oh, the irony!So far, the only blogs I’ve seen that employ a strict “any dissenting view vanishes in moderation” are the Stalinist birfer blogs (Post and Email, DrKate’s, CitizenWells, ORYR, Orly, Fellowship of the minds etc.).So you’re admitting that birfers are planning to install a dictatorship? After all, it would fit their “let the military arrest the government and install a new leader” calls.

    I find it funny how she complains so much. She was allowed to post freely hundreds of posts here and on the fogbow and she couldn’t control herself. She outright lied and fabricated information. Now on any of the sites you mentioned above you get an instant ban on your first comment or get put into moderation.

  95. avatar
    G May 16, 2011 at 10:24 am #

    misha: Seven mental dwarves. I cannot wait to see what SNL does to Bachmann. Bachmann is the one who screams socialism’ every time she is in front of a mic. I wonder why she has not returned that $250K farm subsidy? She has principles, right?

    SNL has been having fun with Bachmann. Ever since her roundly mocked Tea Party response to the President’s State of the Union address, they have Kristin Wiig playing her with her eyes bugged out and never facing the camera properly (always looking off at weird angles)… they just did her again that way in a mock GOP debate on the 5/7 broadcast episode. It was one of the funniest bits.

  96. avatar
    Suranis May 16, 2011 at 11:34 am #

    G: SNL has been having fun with Bachmann.Ever since her roundly mocked Tea Party response to the President’s State of the Union address, they have Kristin Wiig playing her with her eyes bugged out and never facing the camera properly (always looking off at weird angles)… they just did her again that way in a mock GOP debate on the 5/7 broadcast episode.It was one of the funniest bits.

    Don’t suppose you have an interweb link for us durty furriners?

  97. avatar
    G May 16, 2011 at 12:54 pm #

    Suranis: Don’t suppose you have an interweb link for us durty furriners?

    Here ya go:

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/gop-debate/1325764/

    It not only has Bachmann but Trump.

    Funny bit of breaking news – just as I’m finding this and the Trump portion is playing, the CNN feed I have on it the background breaks in with the announcement and statement from Trump that he is NOT RUNNING for POTUS.

    So Trump is *officially* OUT. …the small splashing sounds you hear are birther tears falling…

  98. avatar
    Majority Will May 16, 2011 at 1:04 pm #

    BatGuano: full medical and dental too.

    But Orly is the dentist. Huge downside (and backside).

  99. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm #

    The Magic M: > Are you aware that censorship is one of the first stages of a dictatorship!Oh, the irony!So far, the only blogs I’ve seen that employ a strict “any dissenting view vanishes in moderation” are the Stalinist birfer blogs (Post and Email, DrKate’s, CitizenWells, ORYR, Orly, Fellowship of the minds etc.).So you’re admitting that birfers are planning to install a dictatorship? After all, it would fit their “let the military arrest the government and install a new leader” calls.

    As Doc says…He is responsible for HIS site and NOT what they do on Fogbow or any others. The same applies to me. My Youtube channel is WIDE open and I do not censor, delete comments or block people and Doc can confirm that!

    I don’t know, nor do I care how others run their sites. If they feel they can’t deal with people trying to shut down their sites or with the lies and slander that is associated with the fogbow crew and other left wing hate groups, then that is their perogative.

    I however have the truth with facts behind me and can and WILL take on the liars and troublemakers. You people do not scare me, nor will you stop me from what I am doing!.

  100. avatar
    Bovril May 16, 2011 at 1:52 pm #

    [Uncivil taunting remark directed at another commenter deleted. Doc.]

    Lakin is a Coward………(Only had his coming to Jesus moment AFTER he was told he was deploying to a war zone)

    Buddey-Fecker……(That’s what the miltary calls someone who shafts his people just as he did)

    Liar…….Admitted that his bull was all shit at his court martial AND when he tried to get a “long form” for his Daughter who was also born in Hawai’i, got the same as the Presidents

    Thief……Even after stating he would never deploy STILL took paid pre-deploymnet leave only those who deploy are entitled to.

    Told you Doc what they will do.

  101. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 1:58 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): I find it funny how she complains so much. She was allowed to post freely hundreds of posts here and on the fogbow and she couldn’t control herself. She outright lied and fabricated information. Now on any of the sites you mentioned above you get an instant ban on your first comment or get put into moderation.

    Complain, where do I complain? So, you say that me posting my facts against others lies is NOT controlling myself. Why is that? Because you can’t handle the FACTS? There’s really no other explanation! And if you call facts form government documents and the founders writings flat out lies and fabrications, then you are a [Personal attack removed. Doc.]

    And as I said before, my channel is wide open and I have no influence on anyone else’s channel and could care less what they do. How is what others do on their sites, automatically directed at me, when I have nothing to do with their sites, eh? Answer me that one!

  102. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 2:00 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: So Doc, you find it totally OK, for this person to call me SAD and ASININE

    He can call your remarks, ideas, and videos SAD and ASININE, but not call you that.

  103. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 2:02 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: Complain, where do I complain? So, you say that me posting my facts against others lies is NOT controlling myself. Why is that? Because you can’t handle the FACTS? There’s really no other explanation! And if you call facts form government documents and the founders writings flat out lies and fabrications, then you are a poor excuse for an American!And as I said before, my channel is wide open and I have no influence on anyone else’s channel and could care less what they do. How is what others do on their sites, automatically directed at me, when I have nothing to do with their sites, eh? Answer me that one!

    Tracy you complain about Fogbow all the time even though this site is totally unrelated. You haven’t posted facts at all Tracy. Why is it you continue to call lies facts?

    You don’t use government documents or the founding fathers. You instead take stuff out of context to make it mean more than it does.

    People direct stuff at you because you make up fabrications. They disprove your claims and then you talk about fogbow.

  104. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: Doc, is he allowed to call me names like that?

    No he is not, nor are you allowed to call other posters here “LEFT WING BO BO Zombies!”.

  105. avatar
    Suranis May 16, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    Lets break this down

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: So Doc, you find it totally OK, for this person to call me SAD and ASININE

    He didn’t call YOU sad and asinine, just your videos.

    and tell me that my friends are liars and thieves

    They are liars and thieves. What about all the money Farah collected for his $15,000 he promised to give to kaapiolani hospital when Barack Obama released a long form? What about the money he collected for TV ads that never appeared? What anout all the money collected by the Terry Lakin action fund? What about all the money collected in paypal for sending thousands of letters to congress By the Post and Email, that wound up sending only 3 letters. What about all the money collected by Kreep to send a fax to congress at $20 a fax?

    and I’m supposed to say…WHAT?

    You tell me what a NICE/POLITE/WITHIN THE GUIDELINES reply SHOULD look like!

    “Yes, you are correct. I’ll be more careful with my words and who I associate with in the future” would be nice.

  106. avatar
    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:06 pm #

    Complain, where do I complain? So, you say that me posting my facts against others lies is NOT controlling myself. Why is that? Because you can’t handle the FACTS? There’s really no other explanation! And if you call facts form government documents and the founders writings flat out lies and fabrications, then you are a poor excuse for an American!

    I am all in favor of facts, which is why the COLB and the Long Form are so relevant as they show, as other facts had already indicated, that President Obama was born in the US and thus a natural born citizen.

    1. President Obama’s 2007 COLB shows him born in Honolulu Hawaii. The document contained all the necessary elements to be certified: Security background paper, a signature, a date and a raised seal.

    2. The 2007 COLB was further supported through contemporaneous newspaper articles announcing President Obama’s birth, published August 13, 1961, 9 days after the birth.

    3. The birth certificate was filed on August 8, 1961

    4. The Department of Health of the State of Hawaii further validated that President Obama was indeed a natural born citizen through his birth on US soil.

    5. School records obtained under FOIA, show that Obama Sr spent the summer of 1961 attending classes in Hawaii. The classes ended on August 8, 1961. This makes it extremely unlikely that he and his wife were in Kenya.

    6. Immigration records obtained under FOIA, similarly show no evidence that Obama Sr left the United States while he was a student in Hawaii. Again showing that the likelihood that he and his wife were in Kenya, is extremely unlikely.

    7. President Obama’s certified long form’ birth certificate indicates that he was, as expected, born in Kapiolani Hospital and that his birth was witnessed by an MD and signed by his mother. While some have argued that the pdf which showed Obama’s birth certificate to be fraudulent’, it was also revealed how the combination of compression and the separation of text and graphics into layers, can explain for the creation of layers when imported into Adobe.

    8. The certified long form’ certificates were also certified in a separate letter, indicating that the creation and signing of the long form had been witnessed. The letter was then provided to President Obama’s private attorney who delivered it to the White House, maintaining the proper chain of ownership.

    Quite some facts.

    As to the Founding Fathers, yes, they are quite important when trying to understand the meaning of natural born.

    It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage; but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr Smith founds his claim upon his birthright his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony.

    Source: May 22, Citizenship of the United States, The Writings of James Madison, by James Madison

    As the Court found in US v Wong Kim Ark, birth on soil is all that is needed for one to be a natural born citizen and the Court in Ankeny v Daniels similarly found that Obama was eligible under the WKA ruling.

    Facts, Founding Fathers… Love’em

  107. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:06 pm #

    Slartibartfast: Borvil called your VIDEOS [Borvil: note the lack of apostrophe ] threaty, sad, asinine (with an intensifier), and fact free and reference you hanging out with the Cowardly Lakin. He also suggested that you (both birthers in general and you in particular, I assume) are working hard to re-elect President Obama by not letting the issue drop (I agree with this assessment as well – keep up the good work and we’ll have four more years of President Obama {which will be far better than the Republican alternative}). A polite, substantive response would be to rebut some or all of these allegations with a logical, fact-based argument that has supporting citations in US jurisprudence, but since you can’t do that (since such an argument does not exist to prove a counter-factual) your only polite option is really to apologize for your error. I expect that you will ignore this and continue playing the victim card as loudly and as disingenuously as possible…

    [Obscene, all caps, threatening and generally outside social norms comment deleted. The comment was blocked by the obscenity filter before it appeared. Doc.]

    You will NOT like my next video, mark my words! And I think you know that my WORD is GOOD!

  108. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:08 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Tracy you complain about Fogbow all the time even though this site is totally unrelated. You haven’t posted facts at all Tracy. Why is it you continue to call lies facts?You don’t use government documents or the founding fathers. You instead take stuff out of context to make it mean more than it does.People direct stuff at you because you make up fabrications. They disprove your claims and then you talk about fogbow.

    Thanks, but my video is 100% sourced with govt documents and the founders writings and I have the links attached to PROVE IT!

    It is not my problem that you can not comprehend the facts! That’s your problem, NOT mine!

  109. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:10 pm #

    nbc: I am all in favor of facts, which is why the COLB and the Long Form are so relevant as they show, as other facts had already indicated, that President Obama was born in the US and thus a natural born citizen.1. President Obama’s 2007 COLB shows him born in Honolulu Hawaii. The document contained all the necessary elements to be certified: Security background paper, a signature, a date and a raised seal.2. The 2007 COLB was further supported through contemporaneous newspaper articles announcing President Obama’s birth, published August 13, 1961, 9 days after the birth.3. The birth certificate was filed on August 8, 19614. The Department of Health of the State of Hawaii further validated that President Obama was indeed a natural born citizen through his birth on US soil.5. School records obtained under FOIA, show that Obama Sr spent the summer of 1961 attending classes in Hawaii. The classes ended on August 8, 1961. This makes it extremely unlikely that he and his wife were in Kenya.6. Immigration records obtained under FOIA, similarly show no evidence that Obama Sr left the United States while he was a student in Hawaii. Again showing that the likelihood that he and his wife were in Kenya, is extremely unlikely.7. President Obama’s certified long form’ birth certificate indicates that he was, as expected, born in Kapiolani Hospital and that his birth was witnessed by an MD and signed by his mother. While some have argued that the pdf which showed Obama’s birth certificate to be fraudulent’, it was also revealed how the combination of compression and the separation of text and graphics into layers, can explain for the creation of layers when imported into Adobe.8. The certified long form’ certificates were also certified in a separate letter, indicating that the creation and signing of the long form had been witnessed. The letter was then provided to President Obama’s private attorney who delivered it to the White House, maintaining the proper chain of ownership.Quite some facts.As to the Founding Fathers, yes, they are quite important when trying to understand the meaning of natural born. Source: May 22, Citizenship of the United States, The Writings of James Madison, by James MadisonAs the Court found in US v Wong Kim Ark, birth on soil is all that is needed for one to be a natural born citizen and the Court in Ankeny v Daniels similarly found that Obama was eligible under the WKA ruling.Facts, Founding Fathers… Love’em

    The longform has been proven a [fake], have [you] not been paying attention and why did he have to make a fake one, you tell me!

  110. avatar
    Slartibartfast May 16, 2011 at 2:11 pm #

    Slartibartfast: [Borvil: note the lack of apostrophe ]

    And I’ll note the spelling of your name… D’oh!

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    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:12 pm #

    nbc: I am all in favor of facts, which is why the COLB and the Long Form are so relevant as they show, as other facts had already indicated, that President Obama was born in the US and thus a natural born citizen.1. President Obama’s 2007 COLB shows him born in Honolulu Hawaii. The document contained all the necessary elements to be certified: Security background paper, a signature, a date and a raised seal.2. The 2007 COLB was further supported through contemporaneous newspaper articles announcing President Obama’s birth, published August 13, 1961, 9 days after the birth.3. The birth certificate was filed on August 8, 19614. The Department of Health of the State of Hawaii further validated that President Obama was indeed a natural born citizen through his birth on US soil.5. School records obtained under FOIA, show that Obama Sr spent the summer of 1961 attending classes in Hawaii. The classes ended on August 8, 1961. This makes it extremely unlikely that he and his wife were in Kenya.6. Immigration records obtained under FOIA, similarly show no evidence that Obama Sr left the United States while he was a student in Hawaii. Again showing that the likelihood that he and his wife were in Kenya, is extremely unlikely.7. President Obama’s certified long form’ birth certificate indicates that he was, as expected, born in Kapiolani Hospital and that his birth was witnessed by an MD and signed by his mother. While some have argued that the pdf which showed Obama’s birth certificate to be fraudulent’, it was also revealed how the combination of compression and the separation of text and graphics into layers, can explain for the creation of layers when imported into Adobe.8. The certified long form’ certificates were also certified in a separate letter, indicating that the creation and signing of the long form had been witnessed. The letter was then provided to President Obama’s private attorney who delivered it to the White House, maintaining the proper chain of ownership.Quite some facts.As to the Founding Fathers, yes, they are quite important when trying to understand the meaning of natural born. Source: May 22, Citizenship of the United States, The Writings of James Madison, by James MadisonAs the Court found in US v Wong Kim Ark, birth on soil is all that is needed for one to be a natural born citizen and the Court in Ankeny v Daniels similarly found that Obama was eligible under the WKA ruling.Facts, Founding Fathers… Love’em

    My video trumps all that and anything else you might have:

    The video that will END the Obama Presidency! Birthers Get Last Laugh & Demand Formal Apology
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DHZmeMXyE

    The facts are the facts and there is nothing any of you can do to change it!

    Capeesh!

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    Suranis May 16, 2011 at 2:13 pm #

    She ignored my post. I has a sad πŸ™

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    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:13 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: The longform has been proven a fact, have nyou not been paying attention and why did he have to make a fake one, you tell me!

    That’s FAKE, not fact!

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    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:14 pm #

    Thanks, but my video is 100% sourced with govt documents and the founders writings and I have the links attached to PROVE IT!

    I’d love to hear about these facts. Would you mind discussing them on Dr C’s forum? I’d love to explore your musings and see how well they hold up under closer scrutiny?
    Looking forward…

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    Scientist May 16, 2011 at 2:17 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: That’s FAKE, not fact!

    It is a state-issued birth-certificate. A state-issued certificate is by definition real, just as a $100 bill issued by the Federal Reserve is by definition a real $100 bill.

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    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:17 pm #

    The longform has been proven a fact, have nyou not been paying attention and why did he have to make a fake one, you tell me!

    Well, proof is somewhat of a strong statement. People have shown some misunderstandings as to how PDF’s work. But luckily we have additional photographs which lay to rest any confusions here.

    And the long form certificate has been fully certified by the Department of Health of Hawaii, similar to the certifications by the former, Republican administration.
    Now if you want to argue that the DOH of Hawaii somehow falsified the document then fine but I have seen no credible evidence of any kind of fraud so far.
    Care to share these ‘facts’ on an open forum where they can be discussed?

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    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

    The facts are the facts and there is nothing any of you can do to change it!

    I cannot change how you see the ‘facts’ but I can certainly point out the facts as are known to all of us which show that Obama was born on US soil. Now if the argument has evolved to claims that he could still not be NBC because he was not born to two US citizens, then we can explore that myth as well. It’s quite easily debunked but perhaps you would like to make your case on this forum?

    PS: the proper spelling is capice

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: He knows that I have facts and GRERAT sources! And I’m starting to believe that he may think my facts are JUST that and DO mean something!

    Please do not equate my removal of your information from the moderation filter as any acknowledgment of the validity of your video. While I don’t doubt that your sources are accurate (insofar as I looked at them), you do not present them honestly. An honest presentation is faithful to the context of the original source and deals with both sides of the issue. You have just cherry picked short quotations and strung them together to imply things that aren’t true.

    Your video is not significantly different from any number of other web pages and videos that share the same dishonest treatment of historical sources.

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    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

    nbc: I’d love to hear about these facts. Would you mind discussing them on Dr C’s forum? I’d love to explore your musings and see how well they hold up under closer scrutiny?Looking forward…

    My facts are ALL in the video and there is no reason why I would have to sit here and repeat them, why you all say they are lies. I already know your responses but that just proves that you can’t comprehend nor will you even watch the video with an open mind to SEE the real facts. You already have it set in stone that you will NOT change your mind, EVEN with facts being presenting, right in front of your face and I call that just totally ignorant, that you can’t take a fact and say it’s a fact!

    It’s just show how low you people are that you can’t be a rational person and JUST look at the facts! I’d hate to be stuck in a box like that, must be such a sorry life, you not be able to think for yourself!

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 2:23 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: My facts are ALL in the video and there is no reason why I would have to sit here and repeat them, why you all say they are lies. I already know your responses but that just proves that you can’t comprehend nor will you even watch the video with an open mind to SEE the real facts. You already have it set in stone that you will NOT change your mind, EVEN with facts being presenting, right in front of your face and I call that just totally ignorant, that you can’t take a fact and say it’s a fact!It’s just show how low you people are that you can’t be a rational person and JUST look at the facts! I’d hate to be stuck in a box like that, must be such a sorry life, you not be able to think for yourself!

    You mean like the fact that your fake Kenyan BC was created by a known grifter and document forger and yet you still accept it as fact?

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    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:23 pm #

    KBOA will never, ever acknowledge a single fact about Obama, such as he did not sign an executive order on his first day sealing his documents.

    Well, anyone can look at the EO and when following the definitions of the terms use, come to realize that Obama first of all ended an EO which had limited access to Presidential documents and furthermore, that the EO does not affect documents which were created before his presidency took effect.

    Executive Order 13233[1] limited access to the records of former United States Presidents. It was drafted by then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and issued by George W. Bush on November 1, 2001. Section 13 of Order 13233 revoked Executive Order 12667 which was issued by Ronald Reagan on January 18, 1989.
    The Order was partially struck down in October 2007, and Barack Obama completely revoked it, by Executive Order 13489[2] on January 21, 2009, his first full day in office.

    Source: Wikipedia

    We can also discuss the actual text, combined with the definitions of the terms used. But I am not sure if that would be of interest?

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    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

    Scientist: It is a state-issued birth-certificate. A state-issued certificate is by definition real, just as a $100 bill issued by the Federal Reserve is by definition a real $100 bill.

    THe BC is irrelevent, Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen!

    End of story!

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    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

    nbc: Well, proof is somewhat of a strong statement. People have shown some misunderstandings as to how PDF’s work. But luckily we have additional photographs which lay to rest any confusions here.And the long form certificate has been fully certified by the Department of Health of Hawaii, similar to the certifications by the former, Republican administration.Now if you want to argue that the DOH of Hawaii somehow falsified the document then fine but I have seen no credible evidence of any kind of fraud so far.Care to share these facts’ on an open forum where they can be discussed?

    Ireelevent, not a natural born citizen!

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    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:26 pm #

    My facts are ALL in the video and there is no reason why I would have to sit here and repeat them, why you all say they are lies.

    I am not saying that they are all lies, in fact, I was hoping to explore your claims in a format suitable to discussion, where one side presents their claim(s) and the other side evaluates and rebuts or admits that the claim is factual.

    It’s just show how low you people are that you can’t be a rational person and JUST look at the facts! I’d hate to be stuck in a box like that, must be such a sorry life, you not be able to think for yourself!

    That’s an ironic response to my request.

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    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:27 pm #

    nbc: I cannot change how you see the facts’ but I can certainly point out the facts as are known to all of us which show that Obama was born on US soil. Now if the argument has evolved to claims that he could still not be NBC because he was not born to two US citizens, then we can explore that myth as well. It’s quite easily debunked but perhaps you would like to make your case on this forum?PS: the proper spelling is capice

    So, thHe the government documents and founders writings that I used as sources are now obsolete, since YOUR news laws came into play? Is that what you are saying?

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 2:27 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: Afraid to watch my video, obviously!

    Tracy can’t you back up your material here? Or do you only know the information you crib from other sources at the time you make the video?

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    obsolete May 16, 2011 at 2:27 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    Not to worry, I plan on going back to where I left off and debunking EVERY comment. I don’t like to leave anything unturned! But, I can’t get to it right now, I’m a little busy tweaking at the moment! But believe me, I plan on it, TODAY!

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5226&hilit=tweaker&start=600

  128. avatar
    Majority Will May 16, 2011 at 2:28 pm #

    More interesting projection.

  129. avatar
    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:28 pm #

    Your video is not significantly different from any number of other web pages and videos that share the same dishonest treatment of historical sources.

    So let’s resolve this issue on Dr C’s blog where she can provide her claims and facts and we can explore if they accurately portray history? Would that not be the rational thing to do?

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    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:29 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): You mean like the fact that your fake Kenyan BC was created by a known grifter and document forger and yet you still accept it as fact?

    All that otjer stuff is irreleven’t. Why is it that you people can not get to the REAL POINT, natural born citizen? WHy is that, it’s always something else that is MOOT and has no bearing but you still want to argue over it!

    Wake up and get to the real issue, then maybe we can get somewhere but as long as you IGNORE that, you will never get to the truth!

  131. avatar
    Slartibartfast May 16, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: My facts are ALL in the video and there is no reason why I would have to sit here and repeat them, why you all say they are lies. I already know your responses but that just proves that you can’t comprehend nor will you even watch the video with an open mind to SEE the real facts. You already have it set in stone that you will NOT change your mind, EVEN with facts being presenting, right in front of your face and I call that just totally ignorant, that you can’t take a fact and say it’s a fact!

    It’s just show how low you people are that you can’t be a rational person and JUST look at the facts! I’d hate to be stuck in a box like that, must be such a sorry life, you not be able to think for yourself!

    [Insult deleted. Doc.] Could you give us an example of one of the ‘facts’ in your video along with your evidence to support it?

  132. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn May 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm #

    Later chumps…

    Go ahead and ban me Doc, I will not be back!

    Please unsubscribe my email as well!

    Enjoy your cespool [sic], here!

    [Why should I ban you if you’re not coming back? I removed the subscriptions. Doc.]

  133. avatar
    obsolete May 16, 2011 at 2:32 pm #

    Well, it seems I am in moderation, while KBOA has free reign.
    Did I trip an automatic mod somehow? Matbe I’ll check back in a few days.

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    Suranis May 16, 2011 at 2:34 pm #

    KBOA, in all seriousness, if you really have the ear of anyone in the Terry Lakin fund, tell them, if they care about the Lakins at all, to send a K-1 form to the Lakin family with clear markings of whatever donations they gave them. Those would count as income for the Lakin family and you do not want the Lakins landed with a huge tax bill next April.

    I could care less about the self inflicted punishment of Lakin himself, but his wife and those kids don’t need more hardship because of his stupidity. Tell them to get all their Ts crossed.

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    G May 16, 2011 at 2:35 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: You will NOT like my next video, mark my words! And I think you know that my WORD is GOOD!

    I don’t “like” any of your videos, frankly. I think they are bunk and yes, whiny.

    As to your word…you have no credibility with me.

    If you are trying to make some sort of threat with that statemetn, that just shows the flaws in your character.

    If you are going to continue to go off the deep end and act inappropriately, then just go away. If you try to cross the line with your behavior, you should be held accountable for your actions.

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    nbc May 16, 2011 at 2:35 pm #

    Sorry Doc, I was just trying to help out returning the conversation to civility.

  137. avatar
    G May 16, 2011 at 2:36 pm #

    I take it the whole thread is now under moderation…

    [The whole web site is under moderation. Doc.]

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    I find it funny how she complains so much. She was allowed to post freely hundreds of posts here and on the fogbow and she couldn’t control herself. She outright lied and fabricated information. Now on any of the sites you mentioned above you get an instant ban on your first comment or get put into moderation.

    Do you doubt that she received any less intense needling, bullying and provocation at The Fogbow than she did here? And I should point out that you can say whatever you want on her YouTube channel.

  139. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 3:43 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    You people do not scare me

    I should certainly hope not!

  140. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 4:07 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    …Why is it that you people can not get to the REAL POINT, natural born citizen?

    We’ve been talking about that for a couple of years now. I’ve written over a dozen substantive articles on the subject.

    Start here:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/natural-born-citizenship-primer/

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: THe BC is irrelevent, Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen!

    End of story!

    It’s not the end of the story because it’s not true.

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    Nbc May 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    Go ahead and ban me Doc, I will not be back!

    Figures, just when we get to discussing her facts she leaves. And I was so looking forward to a discussion on the merits of her claims.

    As to the definition of Natural Born Citizen, the Courts explained in US v Wong Kim Ark that under our Common Law, with which the Founders were familiar, natural born meant ‘born on soil, regardless of the status of the parents’. This was why the Court in Ankeny v Daniels ruled President Obama to be a natural born citizen and thus eligible.

    Them are facts…. Indisputable facts.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 4:59 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Do you doubt that she received any less intense needling, bullying and provocation at The Fogbow than she did here? And I should point out that you can say whatever you want on her YouTube channel.

    I think most of it is based on her own doing. She comes across like a hostile witness on the witness stand. Do you think we should just coddle her and treat her all nice and share candy with her she’ll just suddenly cooperate?

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 6:52 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    Do you think we should just coddle her and treat her all nice and share candy with her she’ll just suddenly cooperate?

    I think you should treat everyone with respect, or barring the ability to do that, say nothing. If someone is too disruptive to reasonably participate in the discussion, then I will exclude them. The fact that someone is unable to function in a particular environment is not cause to taunt and make fun of them.

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2011 at 6:54 pm #

    Nbc:
    Figures, just when we get to discussing her facts she leaves. And I was so looking forward to a discussion on the merits of her claims.

    Well, if you’re really hankering to have a debate, go over to her YouTube channel. The only problem there is that messages have to be pretty short.

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    nbc May 16, 2011 at 7:08 pm #

    What I am hankering for is to have both sides put their best arguments and claims on the table and discuss in a civilized manner the pros and cons of the claims. Our KBOA friend appears to believe that her video proves it all and that the best ‘obots’ can do is lie about it or call it lies.

    There should be some middle ground where one could explore in more depth the validity of her claims? I know, we have gone over many of the claims in the past but it would not surprise me to find out that our friend may not be fully familiar with them.

    Of course, when she starts with the executive order myth then there is a lot of work to be done here but perhaps it can help he find out the facts in a more balanced manner? The youtube channel is just too nasty for a discussion and our friend has shown little effort in engaging in any kind of debate.

    I was hoping that your site could serve as a place for a meeting of the minds so the speak. There appears to be a lot of anger on her part and I can understand part of it as she is facing quite a bit of nastiness from others although it is hard to distinguish cause and effect here.

    It’s fine with me either way, the whole issue has come to a wonderful end with Trump’s pretend run for the presidency which caused quite a few people to come into the open with their eligibility related concerns. And then Obama coming forward with the long form which by any reasonable measure should have settled it all. Some, more conspiracy minded, may wonder about whether or not the birthers were ‘played’ by Donald Trump, who in the past has shown little tendencies of being a Republican and who for instance “sponsored” Harry Reid’s run against Tea Party Sharon Angle (sp).

    Was it the unexpected alignment of various events, or was it a well choreographed dance… There are times where I see the latter…

    Trump, the tea party coming to rally behind Trump, Trump’s outrageous comments which only got them in more of a fray, then the release of the long form, the correspondents’ dinner, and then to top it all off: Osama.

    Trump indeed may have acted as a ‘king maker’ here…

  147. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 7:14 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I think you should treat everyone with respect, or barring the ability to do that, say nothing. If someone is too disruptive to reasonably participate in the discussion, then I will exclude them. The fact that someone is unable to function in a particular environment is not cause to taunt and make fun of them.

    Doc, respect is earned. When someone says nasty things repeatedly calls “obots” traitors and other unpatriotic things then they don’t deserve respect. Coddling her won’t help.

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    J. Edward Tremlett May 16, 2011 at 7:25 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: My video trumps all that and anything else you might have:

    The video that will END the Obama Presidency! Birthers Get Last Laugh & Demand Formal Apology
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DHZmeMXyE

    The facts are the facts and there is nothing any of you can do to change it!

    Awww man, rickrolled again! πŸ™

  149. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett May 16, 2011 at 7:26 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: That’s FAKE, not fact!

    that’s a Freudian slip.

  150. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 8:39 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: All that otjer stuff is irreleven’t. Why is it that you people can not get to the REAL POINT, natural born citizen? WHy is that, it’s always something else that is MOOT and has no bearing but you still want to argue over it!

    Wake up and get to the real issue, then maybe we can get somewhere but as long as you IGNORE that, you will never get to the truth!

    If it was so irrelevant why do you carry around this forgery to all your tea party gatherings and to Lakin’s homecoming?
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/verbalobe/5726929713/

    (Note to Doc I made sure to crop out kenya lady from the picture so as not to identify her)

    Nothing to ignore your view of Natural born citizen just didn’t exist before 2008. Its not in the civics books its not in any law books. Natural born citizen includes being born in the US regardless of the citizenship of the parents

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    nbc May 17, 2011 at 12:49 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Doc, respect is earned. When someone says nasty things repeatedly calls “obots” traitors and other unpatriotic things then they don’t deserve respect. Coddling her won’t help.

    We are better than those are we not? This has nothing to do with coddling but all with common courtesy and respect for other people’s arguments. In a case were both sides have been slinging insults, it is often hard to keep track of what started it all.
    Sure respect has to be earned but can also be granted to those who are willing to discuss their thoughts on this blog. If you feel that the person does not deserve your respect you can freely ignore said person.
    Otherwise you are granting such a person enormous powers over you as you feel necessary not just to ignore such a person but to return what you interpret as insults, with similar insults.