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Enjoy it while it lasts

I must admit that I have been having some fun lately, posting comments at WorldNetDaily. If you have a Facebook account, you can leave unmoderated comments on WorldNetDaily articles and reply to the birthers and RWNJ’s there.

I’m trying to cultivate “bemusement” when I reply — no name calling, just straight, well-written, concise and factual replies to the articles or the commenters.

38 Responses to Commenting fun

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    Wayne June 6, 2011 at 2:11 pm #

    I read your comment on Vogt, “He has written some other pseudo-scientific works about how he discovered the altars of Moses in the desert”

    Did you see where Vogt has predicted the end of the world will be October 2046 from the secret codes he found in the Old Testament?

    At the bottom of his vectorpub.com site, he has a countdown clock until the end of the world.

    The man is another Harold Camping, lol.

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    The Magic M June 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm #

    I’ve been writing there, too, for some time now. At least the number of sane voices seems to be higher than when I started…

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    Loren June 6, 2011 at 2:27 pm #

    According to one of his books, Vogt is also a big believer in pyramid power.

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    J. Edward Tremlett June 6, 2011 at 3:02 pm #

    Yeah, I think this definitely an “enjoy it while it lasts” moment.

    The good news is that, if someone gets trolly with you, you can reach into FB and block that person, thereby no longer having to see their posts. The bad news is that they can do that to you, too, so you may be screaming yourself blue for no reason.

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    SueDB June 6, 2011 at 3:08 pm #

    Loren:
    According to one of his books, Vogt is also a big believer in pyramid power.

    That is just soo.. 60’s ya know….

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    Rickey June 6, 2011 at 4:04 pm #

    There is a pyramid-capped church in Phoenix which I used to drive by every day. It was then called Capstone Cathedral, and the preacher who built it claimed that Jesus was going to return at that site.

    http://joeorman.shutterace.com/Bizarre/Bizarre_Pyramidonshea.html

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    ballantine June 6, 2011 at 4:32 pm #

    Loren:
    According to one of his books, Vogt is also a big believer in pyramid power.

    That brings back memories. I actually built a pyramid back in the seventies after reading one of those books. Of course, I was 14 and tore it down when it proved useless. Some people grow up and some don’t.

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    Wayne June 6, 2011 at 5:20 pm #

    On his website, vectorpub.com/True_Authorship_of_the_New_Testament.html, Mr. Vogt advocates that Jesus and the entire New Testament are fictitious. He teaches about the forgery that is the New Testament on Youtube.

    Amazing how WND, a Christian leaning news site, will get in bed with such a man. Apparently WND hates Obama so much that they are willing to even thrown Jesus under the bus!

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    raicha June 6, 2011 at 6:07 pm #

    Wayne: On his website, vectorpub.com/True_Authorship_of_the_New_Testament.html, Mr. Vogt advocates that Jesus and the entire New Testament are fictitious. He teaches about the forgery that is the New Testament on Youtube.Amazing how WND, a Christian leaning news site, will get in bed with such a man. Apparently WND hates Obama so much that they are willing to even thrown Jesus under the bus!

    I suppose Vogt bases his argument that the New Testament is forged on his analyis of the layers and other discrepancies in pdfs and jpgs?

    Has he forwarded a 22-page complaint to the Pope demanding criminal prosecution of the forgers?

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    John Potter June 6, 2011 at 10:43 pm #

    I have been trying to clue believers in to the nature of Vogt’s “expertise”, to no avail of course. They can’t acknowledge any possible meaning in this. Cannot see what this implies for the value of Corsi’s “research”. I am not worried about them, they are lost. What I am worried about is their potential for infecting innocent passersby with the stupid.

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    richCares June 6, 2011 at 10:53 pm #

    be careful, I logged in usings my wife’s facebook account (I don’t have one), shortly after my wife was being bombarded with spam. She said “What all this stuff I’m getting”, I installed a spam filter that if you are not in her address book it don’t go through. I deleted over 300 spam emails.

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    Keith June 6, 2011 at 11:28 pm #

    Rickey:
    There is a pyramid-capped church in Phoenix which I used to drive by every day. It was then called Capstone Cathedral, and the preacher who built it claimed that Jesus was going to return at that site.

    http://joeorman.shutterace.com/Bizarre/Bizarre_Pyramidonshea.html

    I quite like the looks of that building, actually.

    Here is another building with a pyramid on top: Masonic Temple, Washington D.C.

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    richCares June 7, 2011 at 12:16 am #

    here’s the comment I placed:
    if you load the pdf file into the Abbyy FineReader OCR program and read it, the “TXE “becomes “THE” in the ouput
    (Finereader is the most accurate OCR out there)
    .
    the comment was gone in one hour, they probably have FineReader

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    foreigner June 7, 2011 at 3:01 am #

    I asume finereader checks from a library which includes
    “THE” but not “TXE”

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    John Potter June 7, 2011 at 3:15 am #

    foreigner:
    I asume finereader checks from a library which includes
    “THE” but not “TXE”

    Foreigner, please look to your right for a handy list of recent articles on this site. See “TXE”

    Oh, hell, here is a direct link:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/06/txe/

    Further, do you not understand that OCR is a general term for processes that recognize letterforms and performs an action on them? In this case, the process attempted to identify letters and script, and then emphasize those with a bitmap overlay. It did NOT place text over the letters it found. If it didn, this document would look a whole lot different. Then you would REALLY think it was forged!

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    Daniel June 7, 2011 at 3:46 am #

    foreigner:
    I asume finereader checks from a library which includes
    “THE” but not “TXE”

    I think it’s quite probable that you still don’t understand the crux of the issue.

    Do you not understand that whether or not the image of the LFBC posted to the internet was altered in some way or other is completely irrelevant?

    Even if you could prove that the image has been heavily altered, it would be completely meaningless. Do you not understand that at all?

    Is that why you continue to dribble on and on about pixels, and kerning, and TXE, and other assorted bogus crap?

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    foreigner June 7, 2011 at 4:01 am #

    you cannot refute something just only by (repeatedly) calling it crap.
    Let’s figure out the details.
    The “meaning” could just lie in figuring out the credibility
    of the players.

    You would have to know how finereader works to explain why it
    sees an “H” here. A typical human would not read an H (IMO)

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    Expelliarmus June 7, 2011 at 5:32 am #

    It doesn’t matter.

    It is obvious that we are looking at an artifact of the use of a handstamp. The stamp was either poorly inked, damage, applied with uneven pressure, or there was a speck of dust on either the stamp or the paper that prevented the letter “H” from being imprinted clearly. While it does not look like a complete H, it is clearly not an X either. Look closely at the letter — an X is formed by the intersection of two diagonal lines — you can compare the supposed X with other letters in the stamp formed with diagonal lines, such as the top half of the Y, the As, the tails on the Rs. Basically the lines aren’t slanty enough to be an X.

    You still have to go back to the Hawaii press release, which affirms the making of a certified copy.

    Obviously, the people at the department of health have proper stamps available, so if they wanted to phony up a birth certificate, the one thing they wouldn’t have a problem with is getting the stamp right.

    So what is your theory? If you could somehow prove that the letter is in fact a smudged X rather than a smudged H…. what possible significance would it have?

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    Majority Will June 7, 2011 at 8:19 am #

    foreigner:
    you cannot refute something just only by (repeatedly) calling it crap.
    Let’s figure out the details.
    The “meaning” could just lie in figuring out the credibility
    of the players.

    You would have to know how finereader works to explain why it
    sees an “H” here. A typical human would not read an H (IMO)

    You’re still just chasing shadows and your nit-picking proves nothing other than you’re obsessive.

    You never explained why you are here.

    A typical human? πŸ™„

  20. avatar
    Bovril June 7, 2011 at 8:22 am #

    Speaking of commenting, that paragon of intellectual and journalistic proprietary, The Pest and Offal has now gotten to thestage where it won’t even allow Birfoon comments to interrupt it’s seditious flow of malodorous filth.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/06/06/comments-function-to-close-at-the-post-email/

    I particlularly enjoy the lies such as

    In December 2009, the blog was converted to an electronic newspaper so as to cover more topics of interest in a factual, well-researched manner.

    ****cough**** BS and out right lies, it’s an effing blog, there has never been anything factual, well written or credible on show.

    Many electronic newspapers never enable a Comment feature.

    REALLY, I must have been mistaken and not really seen coments at CNN, NYT etc.

    However, as Mr. Charlton had originally stated, our focus is on delivering the news rather than moderating comments, which has been consuming at least two hours each day.

    Seditious cack is NOT news

    Followed by the mandatory Birfoon squeals of PAYPAL….PAYPAL…..GIMME MONEY

    It will be interesting to see where the filth that posted there now migrate to.

  21. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 7, 2011 at 8:55 am #

    Bovril: It will be interesting to see where the filth that posted there now migrate to.

    WorldNetDaily is where they will get the most bang for the buck among birther sites.

  22. avatar
    sactosintolerant June 7, 2011 at 10:08 am #

    I thought the X was now a K since Corsi claimed it was MiKe who forged the BC.

  23. avatar
    Bovril June 7, 2011 at 10:14 am #

    It used to be Freeperville but Jim Rob is going through one of his periodic, albeit subjective purges on Birfoons at the moment.

    Although saying that one of Dr K(H)ates speshul people “Hotlanta Mike” seems to get some leeway.

    A new site that is just popping up is “One Nation Under Fraud” that is coming out from the muppet that gave us”Give Us Liberty” and the LSOS Gary Wilmott

    http://onenationunderfraud.blogspot.com/

    Basically expanding ODS to all elements of Da Ebil Democratic NWO Gubmint

    Usual self serving lying blather about it at the blog site (never a newspaper) The Pest and Offal

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/06/07/new-website-focuses-on-citizen-action-items/

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    richCares June 7, 2011 at 10:41 am #

    A smudged H looks like an X and birthers get so excited, what a strange place the birther
    mind exists in. In escapes them that the context of the smudged H strongly suggest what
    the word really is.
    Which would an intelligent person read:
    ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE
    ABSTRACT OF TXE RECORD ON FILE
    Birthers make noise out of smudges because all they have is noise.
    Our friend foreigner, being a foreigner can’t read or discern smudges, too bad. That’s the cross of a birther.

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    The Magic M June 7, 2011 at 10:49 am #

    > Which would an intelligent person read

    A birther doesn’t just read the “TXE” version, he immediately starts making up reasons why this fits with his confirmation bias. Like digging up what a “.txe file” is and concluding this was “evidence” the LFBC was created from a digital record. *facepalm*

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    The Magic M June 7, 2011 at 10:53 am #

    > So what is your theory? If you could somehow prove that the letter is in fact a smudged X rather than a smudged H…. what possible significance would it have?

    I was debating over at WND with a guy the other day who claimed every “typo” or “misspelling” would immediately invalidate a document. That’s all they ever think about: “How can I argue this invalid?”
    So they would easily buy into “the TXE typo invalidates the BC so Obama didn’t show his BC although he showed it”.

    I know this from people with querulatory disorder who look for ways to say “yes, I did receive this court letter, but I want to be treated as if I didn’t receive it because [insert insane idea here]”.

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    AnotherBird June 7, 2011 at 10:59 am #

    foreigner:
    I asume finereader checks from a library which includes
    “THE” but not “TXE”

    These people baffle me.

    When deciding on an image or picture I want to use I generally pick one that is bigger than my needs. Then I reduce the image size to something that is useful. Going the other direction make little sense since the software will approximate the missing information.

    Using the “TXE” argument I can read the title of every book behind in the picture beside Dr. Conspiracy’s welcome message. Or, is it the fact that I can’t that they aren’t really books.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 7, 2011 at 11:23 am #

    AnotherBird: Using the “TXE” argument I can read the title of every book behind in the picture beside Dr. Conspiracy’s welcome message. Or, is it the fact that I can’t that they aren’t really books.

    You know, I have actually wondered if it is possible, through enhancement, to read any of the book titles in the slightly larger version of the photo that I use for Lounge articles:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/drconspiracy.jpg

    And you can make out perhaps a bit. The large red book to the left of the hat seems to begin with “THE” and the second line with “PARALL”. I suppose with some time and effort, the actual book could be identified.

    If I ever make a YouTube video, I should keep the backdrop in mind. (I have 6 book cases in my study with all sorts of book on them.)

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    Majority Will June 7, 2011 at 11:48 am #

    The Magic M:
    > Which would an intelligent person read

    A birther doesn’t just read the “TXE” version, he immediately starts making up reasons why this fits with his confirmation bias. Like digging up what a “.txe file” is and concluding this was “evidence” the LFBC was created from a digital record. *facepalm*

    Decoded as follows:

    TXE = Thrashing Xenophobic Extremists

    Which is actually an anagram for Tight Bronx Cheer Toxins misshape!

    That has to be an secret NWO signal. I’ve said too much.

  30. avatar
    Majority Will June 7, 2011 at 11:50 am #

    Bovril: . . . and the LSOS Gary Wilmott

    The London School of Striptease? πŸ˜›

  31. avatar
    Bovril June 7, 2011 at 11:52 am #

    Ludicrously Stupid Odorous Scum

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    obsolete June 7, 2011 at 3:02 pm #

    foreigner: The “meaning” could just lie in figuring out the credibility
    of the players.

    If so, you must be aware that the credibility of the Hawaiian DOH has been beyond reproach so far. I am not giving any weight to birthers who try to parse and squint sideways at the various DOH statements to unlock secret codes.
    In the real world, and in any court, the word and papers from the Hawaiian DOH are gold and would not be called into question.

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    Daniel June 7, 2011 at 4:26 pm #

    foreigner:
    you cannot refute something just only by (repeatedly) calling it crap.
    Let’s figure out the details.
    The “meaning” could just lie in figuring out the credibility
    of the players.

    You would have to know how finereader works to explain why it
    sees an “H” here. A typical human would not read an H (IMO)

    Calling it crap simply identifies the nature of it.

    The image you want to pick apart pixel by pixel is simply not relevant.

    It could be drawn in crayon on wax paper and it still wouldn’t be relevant.

    It simply doesn’t matter.

    There is no “meaning. There are no “players” to find credibility of.

    You’re not even picking flyshit out of pepper here, you’re picking flyshit out of flyshit.

    The image isn’t relevant.

    The nature of the image isn’t relevant.

    The supposed changes you want to be in the image aren’t relevant.

    The method of reproducing the image isn’t relevant.

    The file format of the image isn’t relevant.

    The method of delivery of the image isn’t relevant.

    The brand of photocopier that made the scan of the image isn’t relevant.

    Are you noticing a trend here?

    Now say it with me.

    “it’s not relevant”

    Gooooooooooooooooooddddddd.

  34. avatar
    G June 7, 2011 at 5:16 pm #

    Majority Will: Bovril: . . . and the LSOS Gary Wilmott
    The London School of Striptease?

    LSOS is a standard abbreviation for Lying Sack of S…

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    Majority Will June 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm #

    G: LSOS is a standard abbreviation for Lying Sack of S…

    I guess I forgot to include my sarcasm tag again? πŸ˜‰

    (but thanks anyway for looking out for me!)

  36. avatar
    Majority Will June 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm #

    Bovril:
    Ludicrously Stupid Odorous Scum

    Lacertilian Saprophagous Oxythymous Spatilomancers?

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    G June 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm #

    Majority Will: I guess I forgot to include my sarcasm tag again? (but thanks anyway for looking out for me!)

    LOL! (Always. πŸ˜‰ )

    Regardless, I’m sure there are visitors here who weren’t familiar with LSOS, so it was of value to explain it for those reader’s benefit.

    Personally, I’m really enjoying all the creative and clever acronyms you are all coming up with…”Lacertilian Saprophagous Oxythymous Spatilomancers” … too funny!

  38. avatar
    Bovril June 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm #

    Lachyrmose Stupifyingly Otiose Sepsis