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Font size discrepancy in two copies of the Birth Certificate

As you probably know, President Obama obtained two stamped and sealed copies of his long form birth certificate from the State of Hawaii and showed one of them to the Press and released a scanned color copy of it on the White House web site. I have spent hours studying the electronic copies on the Internet and know it very well. Jerome Corsi and WorldNetDaily immediately claimed it a forgery. So far there are no press reports of anyone seeing the other copy.

It’s important to keep on the lookout for any tiny problem in documentation, and I found a doozie. I had the privilege  today of traveling to see two copies of … the Birth Certificate, and I did a double take. The font was not the same size between the two copies! I looked again and it was clear that they did not have the same origin. They were supposed to each be the official copies, but this finding leads me to ask whether one or both is a fake. Here is the photographic evidence. I sneaked a photo  with my cell phone camera and I swear that this photo has not been doctored in any way.

Where's the Birth Certificate? copies (click to enlarge)

35 Responses to Font size discrepancy in two copies of the Birth Certificate

  1. avatar
    katahdin June 10, 2011 at 7:28 pm #

    Clearly Corsi is hiding something. Where was he born again?

  2. avatar
    Stanislaw June 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm #

    That just proves that everything in Corsi’s book is a complete lie. He could just solve all of this if he would let his publisher release the original, long-form, vault-copy of the manuscript and then have that manuscript subjected to independent forensic analysis.

    Corsi! Release your manuscript!

  3. avatar
    Mick June 10, 2011 at 8:07 pm #

    Thin.

  4. avatar
    Fred June 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm #

    I just analysed that image you posted and the image clearly has layers and was copied therefore the book is a fake. No doubt about it.

  5. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 8:46 pm #

    Fred: the image clearly has layers

    The book itself has layers… hundreds of them… made from wood pulp, no less…

    Very suspicious

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    aarrgghh June 10, 2011 at 9:41 pm #

    where’s the “where’s the birth certificate?”

  7. avatar
    richCares June 10, 2011 at 10:06 pm #

    darn it, I had to get a new keyboard, remember don’t drink coffee while reading!

  8. avatar
    AnotherBird June 10, 2011 at 10:52 pm #

    At first I noticed nothing, but the discrepancy is quite obvious. Corsi tried two times to make the covers. Very suspicious. We need to see the contents of the books to make sure.

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    Obsolete June 10, 2011 at 11:14 pm #

    WND has refused to confirm that it published either copy.
    I think WND has a major credibility problem in the coming months…

  10. avatar
    Joe Markowitz June 10, 2011 at 11:57 pm #

    You are a brave and patriotic citizen performing an important public service. Keep up the good work!

  11. avatar
    misha June 11, 2011 at 1:59 am #

    katahdin: Corsi is hiding something. Where was he born again?

    Corsica.

    Know who else was from Corsica? Napoleon. Coincidence?

  12. avatar
    Daniel June 11, 2011 at 2:28 am #

    misha: katahdin: Corsi is hiding something. Where was he born again?

    Corsica.

    Know who else was from Corsica? Napoleon. Coincidence?

    Wow, Napoleon….

    And Corsi is also a “horrible little man”.

    Plus Napoleon rode a horse north into Belgium… and Corsi closely resembles the south end of a north-bound horse.

    It’s all falling into place now

  13. avatar
    US Citizen June 11, 2011 at 2:58 am #

    It is normal for words to diminish in size as they get closer to a stack of Ann Coulter books.

  14. avatar
    Mary Brown June 11, 2011 at 4:04 am #

    How funny.

  15. avatar
    foreigner June 11, 2011 at 4:13 am #

    I assume, this is supposed to be humour.
    In America you must be funny.

  16. avatar
    foreigner June 11, 2011 at 4:31 am #

    I assume, this is in reaction to this article:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=308397

    I’d rather like to see someone doing the same with another similar
    birth certificate what Paul Irey did with Obama’s,
    so we can compare.
    Do we have another such birth certificate from Hawaii 1961 in
    high resolution ? I can’t easily find it.

  17. avatar
    The Magic M June 11, 2011 at 4:59 am #

    There you go, foreigner:
    http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg

  18. avatar
    Majority Will June 11, 2011 at 7:35 am #

    foreigner: I assume, this is in reaction to this article:

    Do you know what happens when you assume?

    In Birtherstan, you must be a riot.

    I’d rather like to know the motive of anonymous, foreign people questioning the legitimacy of our President.

    It’s bad enough that a noisy handful of our own citizens are disrespectful, paranoid lunatics with more spare time than common sense who seek to undermine our laws.

  19. avatar
    Scientist June 11, 2011 at 8:37 am #

    The Magic M: There you go, foreigner:http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg

    Wow! When I blow it up to 2x size, I see a whole bunch of stuff:

    1. line 1 in the middle name it’s hard to read the second to last letter. I’m assuming it’s a “n” as in “pauline”, but it could be an “o” It doesn’t look at all like the “n” in June on line 5, which is very clear.
    2. line 6a The first “a” is very blurry and looks almost like an “s”Is it “Wahiawa” or “Wshiawa”?
    3, line 7d Why is the address so faint? This is VERY suspicious.
    4. line 9 The “asi” “in Caucasian” looks squashed. By the way are the parents REALLY Caucasian? One is from Arkansas and one is from Austria. The Caucasus are in Georgia and Armenia. Europeans really aren’t from the Caucasus; they migrated from Africa around 70,000 years ago and possibly mixed with resident Neanderthals.

    Letters on a typed document don’t all look the same. Why? Because the paper is not perfectly smooth, the surface has ridges and depressions. The keys don’t ink exactly the same each time. The time the keys remain in contact with the paper varies. And so on. They weren’t producing the Mona Lisa here, just preparing a run-of the-mill document. If they had striven to make each and every birth certifiicate a masterpiece of perfection, they would have been working through January’s births in Dcember

    What Mr Irie has done is a one point experiment. He is like a doctor who has a patient wiith a stomach ache and gives him compound X. Three days later, the stomach ache is gone, so he concludes that compound X is a miracle drug. Sorry, just as you have to treat many patients and have a carefully randomized control group, so you have to look at a good sampling of 1960s Hawaiian birth certificates. Are there anomalies in the type on all of them? The answer appears to be YES.

  20. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny June 11, 2011 at 9:10 am #

    Scientist: The Magic M: There you go, foreigner:http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg

    Wow! When I blow it up to 2x size, I see a whole bunch of stuff:

    What about the fact that the mother is born in Austria and is called Margaret? No Austrian girl was ever called Margaret at birth until American and English names became popular after world war II. Austrian girls were called Margaretha or Margarethe.

    Of course, outside of Birobijan (note the similarity to Birfobijan) no Soviet girl was ever called Orly at birth.

    The reason Margarethe got away with it (looking at the birth years I think she was a war bride) is the Austrian habit of abbreviating Margarethe into Marg.

    I am not making this up:
    http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/usa/1890nynames.htm

    Fraud, I tells you, indubitable fraud!

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    Majority Will June 11, 2011 at 9:15 am #

    Scientist: they would have been working through January’s births in Dcember

    You left out the e in December. That invalidates the entire paragraph.

    Nice try. 😉

    “He is like a doctor who has a patient wiith a stomach ache and gives him compound X. Three days later, the stomach ache is gone, so he concludes that compound X is a miracle drug.”

    Pointing out simple logical fallacies just makes idiotic birthers confused and angry.

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    richCares June 11, 2011 at 10:38 am #

    hey foreigner, here’s another 1961 BC (Nordyke)
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y8ag4VGcCHo/TP38McJqQrI/AAAAAAAAKE8/nlSl8VNRMEo/s1600/NordykeBirthCertificate.jpg
    Good luck with your evaluation which we know you won’t do, birthers are allergic to proof.

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    Scientist June 11, 2011 at 10:53 am #

    richCares: hey foreigner, here’s another 1961 BC (Nordyke)http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y8ag4VGcCHo/TP38McJqQrI/AAAAAAAAKE8/nlSl8VNRMEo/s1600/NordykeBirthCertificate.jpgGood luck with your evaluation which we know you won’t do, birthers are allergic to proof.

    On the Nordyke certificate the names of the child and the parents are all caps. On the Coats certificate only the first letter is capitalized. On the Nordyke certificate lines 7a and d are indented (to different degrees, I mght add). On the Coats certificate neither line is indented. This is highly suspicious and clear evidence that both are fraudulent. Ms Coats was definitely born in Austria when her mother went back to visit her family (by the way do we know if Mrs Coats was a US ciitizen in 1962)? The Nordyke twins were born in Holland, since Nordyke is a Dutch name.

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    gorefan June 11, 2011 at 11:10 am #

    Scientist: Nordyke is a Dutch name.

    Notice the doctor’s name appears to be “A. E. McAmish”, so maybe they are Pennsylvania Dutch.

    Also in box 2, the typed word Female is horizontal while the printed bottom line of the box curves down.

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 11, 2011 at 11:23 am #

    foreigner: I assume, this is in reaction to this article…

    No it isn’t. I was just at the bookstore, and checked to see if Corsi’s book was in stock and noticed that the two copies they had were different.

    However, since you pointed the WND article out, I thought it was worth a comment — slow news day and all that.

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    Sef June 11, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: No it isn’t. I was just at the bookstore, and checked to see if Corsi’s book was in stock and noticed that the two copies they had were different.

    However, since you pointed the WND article out, I thought it was worth a comment — slow news day and all that.

    Did you check edition numbers or printings?

  27. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 11, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    foreigner: I assume, this is supposed to be humour.
    In America you must be funny.

    It’s satire, marginally funny perhaps. I think my best satirical effort was this one:

    Obama Announces National “Natural Born Day” Celebration

    It requires, however, a pretty detailed knowledge of the birther movement to understand and appreciate all the jokes.

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    richCares June 11, 2011 at 11:51 am #

    do you think foreigner will get back to us on those additinal BC’s he requested, or is it his blowing in the wind routine that will surface.

  29. avatar
    G June 11, 2011 at 12:10 pm #

    richCares:
    do you think foreigner will get back to us on those additinal BC’s he requested, or is it his blowing in the wind routine that will surface.

    I think it has been quite clear for some time that this poster is not sincere and is merely an intentional Concern Troll.

  30. avatar
    foreigner June 11, 2011 at 12:35 pm #

    they are not very good so far, lower resolution than
    the Obama BC. Compare with the one Irey used
    scan is better than photo

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    Scientist June 11, 2011 at 12:39 pm #

    foreigner: they are not very good so far, lower resolution than
    the Obama BC. Compare with the one Irey used
    scan is better than photo

    First, that is nonsense.

    Second, the differnces between the Nordyke and Coats certificates *capitalization and indentation) have nothing to do with resolution.

    Irey’s entire story makes no sense. If a forger picked a “d” from one old document,, he would use the same “d” everywhere.

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    AnotherBird June 11, 2011 at 4:30 pm #

    foreigner:
    I assume, this is supposed to be humour.
    In America you must be funny.

    It is call irony. Even more ironic is that you missed that. However, that is no surprise.

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    The Magic M June 11, 2011 at 7:42 pm #

    > Nordyke is a Dutch name

    Americanized, though. I couldn’t find Nordykes in the Netherlands on Google, though “Noordijk” (which the Dutch pronounce “Nordyke”) got quite some hits.

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    AdrianInEngland June 12, 2011 at 4:52 am #

    Well, based on the other birth certificates, and the similar ‘inconsistancies’ between the fonts, spacing, etc in each one, the birthers will now claim that Hawaii faked all of the birth certificates for all of the births in that year, at least. God help us, Orly is gonna sue everyone born in Hawaii for being a usurper