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Unrepentant Smith doubles down on fake birth certificate

Lucas Smith

Our erstwhile contributor and guest of the state Lucas Smith has a new web site, Was Obama Born in Kenya. A cursory review suggests that one major theme of the site is support for the fake Kenyan birth certificate Smith has been promoting. I call it a fake because there is solid evidence that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Two of the most obvious errors on the POSFKBC include the US instead of British date formatting, and the misspelling of the hospital administrator’s name (actually the wrong administrator for the time period) on a stamp. In two articles, Smith argues that some other countries have inconsistencies in their dates and that some legitimate stamps have errors on them.

The site is rather attractive, I must admit. I will offer some advice though. Mixing a personal blog with an Obama conspiracy blog dilutes both topics. Been there, done that.

148 Responses to Unrepentant Smith doubles down on fake birth certificate

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    Obsolete July 11, 2011 at 11:55 am #

    Those may be Strikes One and Two against Smith’s POSFKBC, but Hawaii stating that Obama was born there, in no uncertain terms, and issuing certified proof, is Strike Three.

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    Reality Check July 11, 2011 at 11:57 am #

    I wonder if Lucas refunded the money to the people who bought “tickets” on Ebay to buy his book that was supposed to have been published on July 4, 2010?

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    Thrifty July 11, 2011 at 1:05 pm #

    Yes, but does the Lucas Smith Kenyan birth certificate have layers? If it doesn’t have layers, that makes it authentic. I think.

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    gorefan July 11, 2011 at 1:17 pm #

    Lucas says this on his blog,

    “The stamp is misspelled and the CPGH administrative staff member that signed above the stamp used that same misspelling.”

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/heltonhetlan-maganga-2009-ink-stamp-on-barack-obamas-1961-cpgh-kenyan-certificate-of-birth/

    He doesn’t understand that if Dr Heltan Maganga did not sign the Kenya BC then it is not a legal document. He just outed it as a fake.

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2011 at 1:49 pm #

    I don’t think Smith ever said it was a legal document, only that he obtained from a hospital in Kenya.

    gorefan: He doesn’t understand that if Dr Heltan Maganga did not sign the Kenya BC then it is not a legal document.

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    Lucas D. Smith July 11, 2011 at 1:56 pm #

    gorefan:
    Lucas says this on his blog,

    “The stamp is misspelled and the CPGH administrative staff member that signed above the stamp used that same misspelling.”

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/heltonhetlan-maganga-2009-ink-stamp-on-barack-obamas-1961-cpgh-kenyan-certificate-of-birth/

    He doen’t understand that if Dr Heltan Maganga did not sign the Kenya BC than it is not a legal document.He just outed it as a fake.

    Thanks a lot of your deceptive comment and for taking my words out of context.

    First: The paragraph and sentence that you butchered reads , in full:

    If indeed there is only one true, correct, invariant and specific spelling of doctor Maganga’s first name and if that spelling is Heltan rather than Helton than there is a untroublesome explanation for the 2009 CPGH admin ink stamp and 2009 CPGH admin signature on Barack Obama’s 1961 CPGH Kenyan birth certificate: The stamp is misspelled and the CPGH administrative staff member that signed above the stamp used that same misspelling.

    Second: You state“He [Lucas Smith] doen’t understand that if Dr Heltan Maganga did not sign the Kenya BC than it is not a legal document.He just outed it as a fake.”
    What do you do about customs, norms and legalities in Kenya or other countries in Africa?

    Perhaps you should read over another few sentences in another paragraph that I wrote in the cited blog report:

    “Americans and Europeans tend to, often invariably, apply their anal retentive norms when attempting to analyze the rest of the human inhabitants of the Earth. One of the most welcoming and amiable aspects of living and traveling abroad for me is that I don’t have to deal with the obsessive compulsive mannerisms nearly homogenous amongst fellow white Americans (including myself) and white Europeans.”

    People like you are the epitome of unwitting and uncultivated Americans/Europeans that invariably, and smugly, attempt to apply your narrow view of life when attempting to analyze the rest of the human inhabitants, and their culture and societies, of the world. And if you are not an American/European than you’ve certainly assimilated into the smug, yet witless, head-set that is rampant and significantly prevalent throughout American and Western Europe. How do you know what makes a document in Kenya a legal or non-legal document?

    I expect that you will do ‘The Google,‘ now and cite something trivial in an novice attempt to feed your pride. You just couldn’t possibly be wrong could you?

    I, He, The, Lucas Daniel Smith (btw the I, He, The is a joke) cite solid and tangible evidence. A majority of Obots and harsh skeptic just pretend to be experts after they do ‘The Google’.

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    Lucas D. Smith July 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm #

    Dear Dr Conspiracy,

    Thank you for writing your new blog report about my new blog at WasObamaBornInKenya!

    I support and advocate freedom of speech, especially and notably in written form, and I welcome any and all thoughts that you have regarding my blog.

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    katahdin July 11, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith:
    Dear Dr Conspiracy,

    Thank you for writing your new blog report about my new blog at WasObamaBornInKenya!

    I support and advocate freedom of speech, especially and notably in written form, and I welcome any and all thoughts that you have regarding my blog.

    You could start by freely stating your real name, and giving any evidence that you have ever been to Kenya.

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    katahdin July 11, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: A majority of Obots and harsh skeptic just pretend to be experts after they do The Google’.

    It’s always wise to be skeptical of a con artist.

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    Lucas D. Smith July 11, 2011 at 2:27 pm #

    katahdin: You could start by freely stating your real name, and giving any evidence that you have ever been to Kenya.

    My real name??? Are you a conspiracy headcase or something? Does everything have to be a conspiracy? You want a little vial of my blood too?

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    thisoldhippie July 11, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    Mr. Smith – your response to stating “your real name” is in fact a blatant attempt to direct the discussion away from actually giving any evidence that you have ever been to Kenya.

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    Thrifty July 11, 2011 at 2:53 pm #

    Quit being mean to Lucas! If you can’t trust an anonymous guy on the Internet, then who can you trust? Certainly not two governors of Hawaii, a state Director of Health, or a State Registrar. What kind of fool would trust a governor of Hawaii who is making a positive statement in Barack Obama’s favor while campaigning for his rival?

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    Bovril July 11, 2011 at 3:01 pm #

    Purely as a matter of interest Lucas, what pray tell does some purported commercial paper date format from the Domican Republic have to do with Kenyan government official paperwork date formats?

    Hint, the answer is nothing, whatsoever.

    Not even a passable strawman argument, come back and attempt to use the argument when you have examples of contemperaneous, offical, governmental paperwork from Kenya showing differing date formats.

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    Paul Pieniezny July 11, 2011 at 3:03 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: How do you know what makes a document in Kenya a legal or non-legal document?

    We know that because Kenyan officials said official documents come from civil adminstration, not from hospitals. Surprise, surprise, that is how it is almost everywhere in the world. The exceptions are countries like Finland, where the Lutheran church still keeps birth certificates.

    By the way, you did not answer Katahdin’s first question and you completely skipped her second one: any evidence that you have ever been to Kenya?

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    Scientist July 11, 2011 at 3:04 pm #

    Lucas: I don’t need a date format or Dr Maganga’s name or the lack of a Kenya stamp in your passport to know that the President was NOT born in Kenya. The entire story of an 18-year old American woman’s supposed trip there (without her two-timing bum of a husband) to give birth surrounded by his relatives (who completely diisapproved of his marrying her) is laughable from start to finish. As is the story that she would concoct an elaborate fraud to register the birth in Hawaii, when she had perfectly good legal routes to get citizenship for her child even if he were born overseas.

    Frankly, even if you got the birth certificate signed by the President of Kenya, I wouldn’t believe such an obviously ridiculous story.

    By the way, surely you are aware that the entire “Kenyan birth” story was traced to a hypothetical question posed on a legal blog. The story was never meant to be taken seriously, but was a sort of “moot court” that lawyers and pseudo-lawyers with too much time on their hands like to play with. You and Orly and your pals have been taken in by a fairy story that was never meant to be true in the first place..

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    JoZeppy July 11, 2011 at 3:07 pm #

    Thrifty: Quit being mean to Lucas! If you can’t trust an anonymous guy on the Internet, then who can you trust? Certainly not two governors of Hawaii, a state Director of Health, or a State Registrar. What kind of fool would trust a governor of Hawaii who is making a positive statement in Barack Obama’s favor while campaigning for his rival?

    Thrifty, how dare you relegate THE Lucas D. Smith to the status of “anonymous guy on the Internet.” We are talking about Lucas D. Smith, International Man of Mystery. I mean what other explanation can there be for multiple aliases? I can’t be because he’s a forger and convicted felon. Why wouldn’t you take his word over that of two governors of the State of Hawaii, a state Director of Health, or a State Registrar. I mean it’s not like he’s a career criminal and con man who immediately tried to pawn the Birth Certificate on ebay, or something.

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    gorefan July 11, 2011 at 3:09 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: I expect that you will do The Google,‘now and cite something trivial in an novice attempt to feed your pride. You just couldn’t possibly be wrong could you?

    You mean like when you used Google translator to translate the daily journal of a Belgian medical student?

    If that is not Dr. Maganga’s signature, than that paper is more worthless then it already was. And can never be presented in a US court for any purpose other then to show your crude attempt at forgery.

    You really should have done more research into the CPGH before you made up the BC. And not taken his name from the June, 2009 newspaper article. Then you would not have to scramble with ridiculous explanations and attempts at distraction.

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    Majority Will July 11, 2011 at 3:10 pm #

    Scientist: You and Orly and your pals have been taken in by a fairy story that was never meant to be true in the first place..

    I don’t think “taken in” is accurate. He and his friend Bruce most likely saw it as just another grift and a meal ticket as well as a chance to jump on the birther bandwagon.

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    Scientist July 11, 2011 at 3:23 pm #

    Let me further add, “What the g–damn difference does it make where Obama was born?” We are watching the idiot Tea Partiers try to drive the world economy into a Depression from which it may not recover in our lifetimes rather than ask a the very wealthy to pay a few pennies more (interestingly, most of the very wealthy realize they will lose much more in a global collapse than they will ever pay in taxes). The President appears to be the only one behaving in a semi-adult fashion (note the non-Obotic “semi”). Given that, I couldn’t care less if he was born iin Hawaii, New Jersey, Kenya or Krypton. Only when the Republicans begin to put the welfare of the country (and the world) first wiil birth certificates even matter in the slightest.

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    katahdin July 11, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: My real name??? Are you a conspiracy headcase or something?Does everything have to be a conspiracy? You want a little vial of my blood too?

    Considering that the police in Iowa list several different aliases used by you, it’s not conspiracy mongering to ask you to provide your real name. Many people make use of screen names on the internet, but you have presented yourself as a person whose actual name is Lucas Smith. So prove it. Birth certificate, please.

    Oh, and also provide evidence that you were ever in Kenya.

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    ellen July 11, 2011 at 5:00 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith has repeatedly claimed that he obtained the “Kenyan birth certificate” in Mombassa, Kenya.

    HOWEVER, Lucas D. Smith has never shown the Kenyan entry stamps on his passport that would prove that Lucas D. Smith was in Kenya at the time that he claims to have been there.

    IF Lucas D. Smith were to prove that he had been to Kenya, it might moderate the overwhelming skepticism about the “Kenyan birth certificate.” Lucas D. Smith likes to argue about formats and whether Mombassa was part of Kenya at the time. But these might be considered minor issues, IF Lucas D. Smith proved that he had gone to Kenya.

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    Judge Mental July 11, 2011 at 5:15 pm #

    Call me a cynic but quite clearly Lucas Smith hasn’t evidenced his visa or entry/exit stamps because he’s never been to Kenya in his life and it’s only a matter of time before one or other of his seedy contacts blows the whistle on his petty and incompetent attempts at fabrication.

    Before that stage his disbelievers will probably be treated to some cock and bull story about how he entered and left Kenya by some obscure overland route that bypassed the need for either visas or stamps in passports.

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    Majority Will July 11, 2011 at 5:18 pm #

    ellen:
    Oops. That should read. “Lucas D. Smith has never shown the Kenyan entry stamps on his PASSPORT.”

    But isn’t this Kenya?

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    thisoldhippie July 11, 2011 at 5:57 pm #

    Soooooo, what happened to the esteemed Mr. Smith? When asked for confirming evidence of his trip to Kenya he disappears? Probably changed his name again.

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    Scientist July 11, 2011 at 6:17 pm #

    Judge Mental: Before that stage his disbelievers will probably be treated to some cock and bull story about how he entered and left Kenya by some obscure overland route that bypassed the need for either visas or stamps in passports

    Since Kenya is in the Eastern hemisphere and the US is in the Western hemisphere, I know of no way of getting from the US to Kenya by an overland route. While you might be able to avoid flying into and out of Kenya itself, you would have to fly into some country in Africa or Europe, which would stamp your passport. You would also get a US stamp upon re-entry.

    As a starting point, Lucas should show a stamp from somewhere in the Eastern hemisphere a reasonable time before he supposedly got the b.c. in Mombasa and a US stamp, some reasonable time after.

    I must add that even if Lucas can make a credible case that he actually left the US, the fact remains that the story of Obama’s “Kenyan birth” is an out and out fairy tale that is prima facie laughable, so any birth certificate purporting to show such an event is ludicrous, no matter where the presenter might have travelled. Humans are biologically designed to assimilate truth through stories, not through pieces of paper; therefore, the first order of business is to tell a story that makes sense.

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    Atticus Finch July 11, 2011 at 9:01 pm #

    The so-called Lucas Smith’s alleged Obama’s Kenya birth certificate will never be introduced as evidence in any trial because the manner of the way Lucas Smith obtained the birth certificate did not comply with the Federal Rules of Evidence, particularly regarding foreign public documents as set forth in Rule 902 (3) of the Federal Rules of Evidence, as provided:

    (3) Foreign public documents.–A document purporting to be executed or attested in an official capacity by a person authorized by the laws of a foreign country to make the execution or attestation, and accompanied by a final certification as to the genuineness of the signature and official position (A) of the executing or attesting person, or (B) of any foreign official whose certificate of genuineness of signature and official position relates to the execution or attestation or is in a chain of certificates of genuineness of signature and official position relating to the execution or attestation. A final certification may be made by a secretary of an embassy or legation, consul general, consul, vice consul, or consular agent of the United States, or a diplomatic or consular official of the foreign country assigned or accredited to the United States. If reasonable opportunity has been given to all parties to investigate the authenticity and accuracy of official documents, the court may, for good cause shown, order that they be treated as presumptively authentic without final certification or permit them to be evidenced by an attested summary with or without final certification.

    Federal courts have ruled that unless the foreign birth certificate complies with FRE 902 then the it is inadmissible .US v. Medrano, __F. 3rd ___ (10th cir. 2009) (“birth certificate was executed by a person authorized by Mexican laws to execute birth certificates, and it was accompanied by a certification from a United States Vice-Consul that the person who executed it was authorized to do so.”) . “Although the trial court was correct in finding that neither Rule 901 nor 902(3) was complied with, the court did abuse its discretion in holding the evidence authentic and admissible. This circuit requires strict compliance with the authenticity rules. United States v. Perlmuter, 693 F. 2d 1290, 1292 (9th Cir. 1982 (internal citations omitted)

    As such, the purported Lucas Smith’s birth certificate doesn’t even come close in complying with Rule 902(3) by the following:

    1. There is no proof by Kenyan laws that a Chief Administrator “Dr. Heltan Maganga” of a private hospital is authorized to attest as to the genuineness of the birth certificate
    2. There is no proof that signature of the Chief Administrator “Dr. Heltan Maganga” is genuine in absence of a certification
    3. There is no final certification by any personnel in the United States embassy in Kenya.

    That is why Lucas Smith’s purported birth certificate is worthless

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    Joy July 11, 2011 at 9:27 pm #

    Thrifty, I finally laughed at a comment when I read yours. Thanks. But, on the serious side, you can’t use as two separate sources one who quotes another … for instance when the Republican gov quotes the Director of Health, its not like they both saw the certificate and validated it, right? By the way, I’m not going back to the other side or anything, just chipping in to maintain intellectual honesty on both sides. Do you or others here no of any response to the wnd claim about the Health Director stating that the certificate was half typed and half written?

    Thrifty:
    Quit being mean to Lucas!If you can’t trust an anonymous guy on the Internet, then who can you trust?Certainly not two governors of Hawaii, a state Director of Health, or a State Registrar.What kind of fool would trust a governor of Hawaii who is making a positive statement in Barack Obama’s favor while campaigning for his rival?

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    gorefan July 11, 2011 at 9:45 pm #

    Joy: Do you or others here no of any response to the wnd claim about the Health Director stating that the certificate was half typed and half written?

    This has been addressed before:

    The half handwritten statement is not that mysterious if you are aware of two things.

    1) The BCs given to the parents are only a portion of the data collected at birth. They contain most of the demographic information but little if any of the medical information. By the way, this medical information is still protected by privacy laws.

    2) The second thing to consider is that “A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it. Then the attending physician enters certain medical data and affixes his signature. Finally, the hospitals sends the completed certificate to the local registrar.”Vital Records in Hawaii, Hawaii Medical Journal, VOL.15, No. 2-November-December, 1955.

    Did the doctor type the medical infornation or fill it out by hand?

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    Thrifty July 11, 2011 at 9:48 pm #

    Joy: Do you or others here no of any response to the wnd claim about the Health Director stating that the certificate was half typed and half written?

    There’s a very simple response. The long form was half typed and half written, as Fukino stated. The problem is that birthers take this way too literally, as though 50% of the letters had to be typed and 50% written. “Half” in that sense is colloquial for “partially”, such as when you “half expect” something or perform a task “with half a heart” or “spent half your day” on a task which you expected to take 10 minutes. You don’t think that someone expected something using 50% of their brain cells, or did something with 50% of their emotions, or spent exactly 12 hours on a task. If you look at the long form, it’s got all the data typed, with hand writing for the signatures (of Dr. Sinclair and Stanley Ann Dunham) and the dates and what look kinda like some pencil markings in some of the margins.

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2011 at 9:55 pm #

    This isn’t a point I would raise Lucas Smith could get a Kenyan entry visa the same we he got a Kenyan birth certificate.

    Paul Pieniezny: By the way, you did not answer Katahdin’s first question and you completely skipped her second one: any evidence that you have ever been to Kenya?

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2011 at 10:02 pm #

    You’re welcome, and thanks for letting me know about the newsworthy advent of your blog. I apologize for not writing something sooner and for the brevity of this entry.

    Lucas D. Smith: Thank you for writing your new blog report about my new blog at WasObamaBornInKenya!

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    joyeagle July 11, 2011 at 10:31 pm #

    OK … that makes sense. I was thinking myself something more like what Thrifty suggested of overdoing the “half” into a percentage. Still trying to get rid of the vestiges of questions in my mind.

    gorefan: This has been addressed before:

    The half handwritten statement is not that mysterious if you are aware of two things.

    1) The BCs given to the parents are only a portion of the data collected at birth. They contain most of the demographic information but little if any of the medical information. By the way, this medical information is still protected by privacy laws.

    2) The second thing to consider is that “A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it. Then the attending physician enters certain medical data and affixes his signature. Finally, the hospitals sends the completed certificate to the local registrar.”Vital Records in Hawaii, Hawaii Medical Journal, VOL.15, No. 2-November-December, 1955.

    Did the doctor type the medical infornation or fill it out by hand?

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    obsolete July 11, 2011 at 11:13 pm #

    joyeagle:

    1) The BCs given to the parents are only a portion of the data collected at birth. They contain most of the demographic information but little if any of the medical information. By the way, this medical information is still protected by privacy laws.

    There is a bottom-half of the long form that neither us nor Obama will ever see. What gets released is literally about half of the actual document.

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    obsolete July 11, 2011 at 11:15 pm #

    Atticus Finch: That is why Lucas Smith’s purported birth certificate is worthless

    Lucas also knows that he will never, ever, actually get into a courtroom with his POSFKBC, so he can profess his desire to testify under oath until he turns blue- he knows there is no chance he will have to commit perjury.

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    gorefan July 11, 2011 at 11:16 pm #

    joyeagle: OK … that makes sense

    By the way, this is the Hawaii Medical Journal cited by WND. It is by Charles Bennett and George Tokuyama.

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    doggone July 11, 2011 at 11:18 pm #

    Lucas is charged with writing a bad check on his closed Bank of America account….. something he was forced to do because someone bought his delinquent property taxes and Lucas is in danger of losing his house. He was captured by the feds and shot up with truth serum in Mexico because he has the goods on Obama. Lucas , a world authority on what Google says about plantains, needs your help as there is only so much Steadman can do to keep him out of trouble. How Charles Lincoln forgave him I’ll never know …Where oh where is Andy Lenny?

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    Keith July 12, 2011 at 12:03 am #

    As to the supposedly conflicting date formats on his money transfer and subsequent currency exchange, I noticed that there is no inconsistency at all, and left this post for him to ponder:

    Again, since the transfer transaction originated in the United States of America, where as you know, the normal’ format is month-day-year, that is the format of the date in the datastream that was transmitted to the Dominican Republic.

    However, the currency exchange transaction occurred wholly with in the Dominican Republic, where the format is day-month-year.

    There is absolutely nothing inconsistent or confusing about it at all.

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    Keith July 12, 2011 at 12:04 am #

    I hit submit too soon.

    I meant to add that the rest of the comments to his blog post seem to be off topic to the date “question”.

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    Keith July 12, 2011 at 12:10 am #

    Also, as a childhood stamp collector, I seem to remember several different postmark stamp abbreviations for Philadelphia. It seems that there just wasn’t enough space on the stamp for the full spelling.

    I am sure that I have seen it spelled P’delphia and several other permutations. But I’ll have to do an archaeological dig to verify that as my collection, while still in existence, is buried somewhere in the never-never.

    Perhaps someone can find a philatelist that specializes in American Postmarks in their locale; such specialists do exist.

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    Keith July 12, 2011 at 12:28 am #

    OK. Google is my friend.

    Here are some Philidelphia postmarks.

    1836 Stampless Cover
    pre-GPU Maritime Mail Stamps
    A large range of Philidelphia postmarks.

    In that last one, I can’t find any abbreviations (or misspellings). Perhaps Lucas example is a rarity after all, one that would be very attractive to a collector, depending on how many examples exist. Stamp collectors are always looking for the oddities.

    Never-the-less, It begs the question about how the existence of an abbreviation for a long city name on a postal mark justifies the misspelling of a personal name on both rubber stamp (that could have been a manufacturing error) and signature (surely Dr. Maganga knows how to spell his own name).

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    Keith July 12, 2011 at 12:29 am #

    (And I see that even I misspelled Philadelphia… several times.)

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    Keith July 12, 2011 at 12:48 am #

    Ahh! Found it!

    First Day Covers Lesson 3 Section 7

    Errors, freaks, and oddities (EFOs) do occur on FDCs. Once in a while a stamp that falls into the category of an EFO is found on an FDC. One example is the missing color on the Stamp Collecting booklet pane (Scott 2198-2201) issued in 1986. But many of the EFOs found on FDCs appear in the cancellation. The misspelling of the first day site, an inverted cancellation die, an incorrect Zip Code or using the wrong canceling device are common aberrations.

    Someone played hooky or flunked spelling the day the commemorative honoring schoolteachers (Scott 1093) was released on June 1, 1957, at Philadelphia. Of the 375,986 FDCs canceled, 40,000, about one in ten, were postmarked by a device with the city’s name spelled “Philadelpia.” The second “h” is missing (Figure 3-32).

    So not so rare that Lucas is going to get rich, but worth storing it properly and maybe even getting it appraised.

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    Keith July 12, 2011 at 1:02 am #

    Actually, I found a block of four first day cover that looks like it might have the error on it for $25.00. So rich he ain’t.

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    Jeffrey Doobin July 12, 2011 at 3:05 am #

    Gotta love this guy Lucas, I mean Tony Bolden… no wait, what do the cops call you now? Oh ya, Nate Weston… hey Nate, your “birth certificate” is hilarious and any idiot could see from that giant footprint, lol. You are a convicted criminal and proven con-artist, or at least *attempted* lol con-artist haha. What a pathetic guy you are, can’t even commit a crime right. I bet you’ve made maybe 20 bucks tryin’ to scam these birfer idiots. haha i sincerely hope you get some of these clowns to send you their birfin’ money, cuz it’ll be 5 less bucks going towards right-wing politics and 5 more bucks goin’ to your meth dealer.

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    AnotherBird July 12, 2011 at 5:05 am #

    Smith is just another person who just refuses to accept or admit that Obama birth certificate is authentic. A one of a kind item is proof that one of a kind items do exist.

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 12, 2011 at 8:09 am #

    Stamp collectors use three terms to describe “different” stamps. They are: errors, freaks and oddities. Somehow that list seems to fit this Obama conspiracy business.

    Keith: Actually, I found a block of four first day cover that looks like it might have the error on it for $25.00. So rich he ain’t.

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    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 1:06 pm #

    Keith:
    As to the supposedly conflicting date formats on his money transfer and subsequent currency exchange, I noticed that there is no inconsistency at all, and left this post for him to ponder: Again, since the transfer transaction originated in the United States of America, where as you know, the normal’ format is month-day-year, that is the format of the date in the datastream that was transmitted to the Dominican Republic.

    However, the currency exchange transaction occurred wholly with in the Dominican Republic, where the format is day-month-year.

    There is absolutely nothing inconsistent or confusing about it at all.

    Keith,

    It appears that the significance of my blog report went over your head.

    There is, invariably, and explanation for everything. You’re explanation could be accurate and correct. Although I’ve sent money via Western Union to the Dominican Republic and the pay out receipts that the payees receive always vary in date format, sometime its DD/MM/YYYY and sometimes its MM/DD/YYYY.

    Again, the significance of my blog report appears to have went directly over your head. The rules of Obotopia state that if the date format on a document does not match the official or standard date format for the country (Kenya, Dominican Republic, or any country) then the said document in a clear fake , forgery and a fraud.

    I trust that you understand the significance now? If not, here, I make it real simple for you: I doesn’t matter that you have a reasonable explanation for the atypical, or wrong, date format on the Western Union receipts. The Western Union receipts are clear forgeries according to the rules of Obotopia.

    A little advice for you Keith…back off the conspiracy juice. The way that you fiendishly went off on a bloodthirsty hunt to prove that Philadelpia was an abbreviation suggests that you suffer from sort of conspiratorial neurosis.

    To even think that Philadelpia would be an abbreviation for Philadelphia is, well, forgive me Keith, a bit…empty-headed.

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    Paul Pieniezny July 12, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: This isn’t a point I would raise Lucas Smith could get a Kenyan entry visa the same we he got a Kenyan birth certificate.

    Paul Pieniezny: By the way, you did not answer Katahdin’s first question and you completely skipped her second one: any evidence that you have ever been to Kenya?

    Thanks to the Fogbow we know what really happened when He, Lucas Smith crossed the border between the Belgian Congo and Kenya. After pushing the 1927 30 CV Minerva that he had rented in Bujumbura for 2,000 Belgian francs across the border, he was of course accosted by your typical Kenyan customs official.

    Typical Kenyan Customs official: “Hold up there, you! It’s a shilling to park your car in this square. And I shall need to know your name.”

    He, Lucas Smith: “What do you say to three shillings, and we forget the name?”

    Customs offical: “Welcome to Kenya, Mr Smith!”

    (it was all captured on video: http://ishare.rediff.com/video/others/three-shillings-and-we-forget-the-name-/3552375)

    Of course, I expected Him Lucas Smith to provide me with a photograph of himself standing next to a couple of Rothschild giraffes in the Serengetti Park.

  49. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    Paul Pieniezny: Thanks to the Fogbow we know what really happened when He, Lucas Smith crossed the border between the Belgian Congo and Kenya. After pushing the 1927 30 CV Minerva that he had rented in Bujumbura for 2,000 Belgian francs across the border, he was of course accosted by your typical Kenyan customs official.

    Typical Kenyan Customs official: “Hold up there, you! It’s a shilling to park your car in this square. And I shall need to know your name.”

    He, Lucas Smith: “What do you say to three shillings, and we forget the name?”

    Customs offical: “Welcome to Kenya, Mr Smith!”

    (it was all captured on video: http://ishare.rediff.com/video/others/three-shillings-and-we-forget-the-name-/3552375)

    Of course, I expected Him Lucas Smith to provide me with a photograph of himself standing next to a couple of Rothschild giraffes in the Serengetti Park.

    As everyone that knows anything already knows I traveled, over land, from the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Uganda to Kenya.

    You ever been out in the field? Or you just play on the computer like Ron Polarik (or whatever that computer nerds name is)?

    I’m asking because I don’t know if you have or haven’t. Not ask in a sarcastic way.

  50. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 1:34 pm #

    “As everyone that knows anything already knows I traveled, over land, from the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Uganda to Kenya.”

    No, no one knows. you haven’t provided any evdience (plane tickets, toll recepits, customs forms, visa stamps) that you have ever stepped foot in Kenya.

    Only your fake photos from the DR, and from which what your video featured (that wasn’t Kenya)

  51. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 1:39 pm #

    Thrifty:
    Quit being mean to Lucas!If you can’t trust an anonymous guy on the Internet, then who can you trust?Certainly not two governors of Hawaii, a state Director of Health, or a State Registrar.What kind of fool would trust a governor of Hawaii who is making a positive statement in Barack Obama’s favor while campaigning for his rival?

    Me, He, I, The Lucas Daniel Smith is now an anonymous guy on the Internet?

    Before you make such empty-headed comments you should check the definition of the adjective that describe me with.

    I’ve appeared at federal court hearings a been ordered to the witness room by the Honorable Judge David O. Carter while awaiting to be called into open Court to give my testimony. If it wasn’t for the USDOJ, they fought my testimony, I would have been on the witness stand on Sept 08, 2009.

    I’ve filed declarations and affidavits in several Courts, both state and federal, across the country which, regarding my account of obtaining Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate in Kenya.

    I’ve sent certified and notarized letters to every member of the US Congress in 2010 discussing my account of obtaining Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate in Kenya.

    I’ve uploaded, online, scores and photos of my family and myself.

    There are tons of public records that have been cited and referenced which contain my name. I’ve been a guest on different radio talk shows.

    I’ve been doing this for going on 3 years.

    Yes, I’m quite anonymous aren’t I?

    My advice to you is to go easy on the conspiracy juice. Everything doesn’t have to be a conspiracy.

  52. avatar
    Thrifty July 12, 2011 at 1:42 pm #

    You’re quite full of yourself, aren’t you Lucas?

  53. avatar
    Thrifty July 12, 2011 at 1:48 pm #

    Lucas, I also noticed that, as usual, you address the least relevant portion of a criticism and introduce a verbose, hot air filled, objection to the other part. Take out the adjective “random” and my sarcastically stated point still stands.

  54. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 12, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    Lucas, I could prove I have I have been in most of the countries I claim to have visited on Wikipedia, because I have those stamps in my passport. I could prove I have been to Africa, but since I have never claimed to have done anything particular there, what is the point of giving up my anonimity.\

    YOU have claimed you did something very important in Africa, but all we have is an account and a certificate full of errors. It is normal that people then ask you to provide some evidence that you have actually been in Mombassa, rather than just any country with dark-skinned inhabitants.

    Still waiting for the Serengetti photographs.

  55. avatar
    ellen July 12, 2011 at 1:55 pm #

    Re: “This isn’t a point I would raise Lucas Smith could get a Kenyan entry visa the same we he got a Kenyan birth certificate.”

    Actually, wouldn’t that involve forging a US passport? I expect that doing that would be difficult, and run the risk of federal prosecution.

    We would want to see the external of the passport, the front page, and the page or pages with the Kenyan entry and exit stamps.

    Smith is now claiming that he traveled overland within Africa to Kenya. But without a Kenyan entry and exit stamp, he would have had to have entered Kenya illegally. And he would have had to have had the entry and exit stamps for at least one other country in Africa, where he arrived by plane. Why he should have wanted to have entered Kenya illegally is a question. Does he just want to do illegal things? Or, does he feel that by being an illegal alien in Kenya he had a special advantage in getting the “birth certificate.”

    Come on Lucas D. Smith, be a truthful person for once, admit that you were never in Kenya.

  56. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Me, He, I, The Lucas Daniel Smith is now an anonymous guy on the Internet?Before you make such empty-headed comments you should check the definition of the adjective that describe me with.I’ve appeared at federal court hearings a been ordered to the witness room by the Honorable Judge David O. Carter while awaiting to be called into open Court to give my testimony. If it wasn’t for the USDOJ, they fought my testimony, I would have been on the witness stand on Sept 08, 2009.I’ve filed declarations and affidavits in several Courts, both state and federal, across the country which, regarding my account of obtaining Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate in Kenya.I’ve sent certified and notarized letters to every member of the US Congress in 2010 discussing my account of obtaining Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate in Kenya.I’ve uploaded, online, scores and photos of my family and myself.There are tons of public records that have been cited and referenced which contain my name. I’ve been a guest on different radio talk shows.I’ve been doing this for going on 3 years.Yes, I’m quite anonymous aren’t I?My advice to you is to go easy on the conspiracy juice. Everything doesn’t have to be a conspiracy.

    So Lucas how does any of this explain why you can’t show any proof you were ever in Kenya, Uganda or the Congo? Visa stamps please? How do we know you’re even Lucas Smith since you have used multiple aliases in your life?

    There’s also the point that you missed with your mispelling of Maganga’s name, first he wouldn’t mispell his own name and second he wasn’t the hospital administrator when you claimed you were in Kenya.

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    Majority Will July 12, 2011 at 2:02 pm #

    ellen: Come on Lucas D. Smith, be a truthful person for once, admit that you were never in Kenya.

    Or whatever alias the convicted con artist and identity thief is going by today.

  58. avatar
    doggone July 12, 2011 at 2:03 pm #

    How much jail time are you facing this time Lucas?

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    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:04 pm #

    ellen:
    Re: “This isn’t a point I would raise Lucas Smith could get a Kenyan entry visa the same we he got a Kenyan birth certificate.”

    Actually, wouldn’t that involve forging a US passport? I expect that doing that would be difficult, and run the risk of federal prosecution.

    We would want to see the external of the passport, the front page, and the page or pages with the Kenyan entry and exit stamps.

    Smith is now claiming that he traveled overland within Africa to Kenya. But without a Kenyan entry and exit stamp, he would have had to have entered Kenya illegally. And he would have had to have had the entry and exit stamps for at least one other country in Africa, where he arrived by plane. Why he should have wanted to have entered Kenya illegally is a question. Does he just want to do illegal things? Or, does he feel that by being an illegal alien in Kenya he had a special advantage in getting the “birth certificate.”

    Come on Lucas D. Smith, be a truthful person for once, admit that you were never in Kenya.

    What do you mean by “now” Lucas Smith is claiming?

    I’ve been stating the same thing for almost three (3) years now.

    And yes, I have African passport stamps in my passport.

    Geez, pay attention please. Or at very least think before you post in empty-head mode.

  60. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: What do you mean by “now” Lucas Smith is claiming?I’ve been stating the same thing for almost three (3) years now.And yes, I have African passport stamps in my passport.Geez, pay attention please. Or at very least think before you post in empty-head mode.

    Lets see them for the timeframe you supposedly were in Kenya.

  61. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 12, 2011 at 2:06 pm #

    Well, you know, an image on the Internet and all that.

    ellen: Actually, wouldn’t that involve forging a US passport? I expect that doing that would be difficult, and run the risk of federal prosecution.

  62. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:08 pm #

    doggone:
    How much jail time are you facing this time Lucas?

    5 years to 25 years.

    No big deal. I’ve done more time in the sack with your user-friendly wife. No sweat.

  63. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:11 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There’s also the point that you missed with your mispelling of Maganga’s name, first he wouldn’t mispell his own name and second he wasn’t the hospital administrator when you claimed you were in Kenya.

    Dear old Kenny,

    Perhaps you haven’t yet reviewed my latest blog report?

    “Helton/Heltan Maganga 2009 ink stamp on Barack Obama’s 1961 CPGH Kenyan certificate of birth.”

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/heltonhetlan-maganga-2009-ink-stamp-on-barack-obamas-1961-cpgh-kenyan-certificate-of-birth/

  64. avatar
    doggone July 12, 2011 at 2:12 pm #

    I dont know Lucas…… thats a long time to be totally forgotten

    as a taxpayer I’m all for it though

  65. avatar
    dunstvangeet July 12, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Me, He, I, The Lucas Daniel Smith is now an anonymous guy on the Internet?

    Yes, you are some anonymous guy on the Internet. You have absolutely no expertise. You have no forensic training. In fact, your background, the one that we’ve been, would easily lead to your impeachment on the stand and loss of credibility, so that some anonymous guy who doesn’t give his name and background would actually have more credibility than you would.

    Before you make such empty-headed comments you should check the definition of the adjective that describe me with.

    You’re right. You’re a convicted forger who has absolutely no proof that he ever set foot in Kenya claiming that he illegally got something from someone who has directly denied that he ever signed his name to that document, and actually (according to you) misspelled his own name on his signature. Furthermore, he actually wasn’t Chief Administrator of the hospital at the time, and has directly said this. A 1st year law student could impeach your testimony if it ever got into a court of law. In fact, I’ve never been to law school, and I could impeach your testimony if it ever came up. No competent attorney would ever allow you, or your birth certificate, anywhere near a courtroom.

    I’ve appeared at federal court hearings a been ordered to the witness room by the Honorable Judge David O. Carter while awaiting to be called into open Court to give my testimony. If it wasn’t for the USDOJ, they fought my testimony, I would have been on the witness stand on Sept 08, 2009.

    The DOJ didn’t fight your testimony. They filed to dismiss the case. Trust me, any attorney wouldn’t fight getting you up on the stand for the other side, because they would have absolutely no problem impeaching your testimony. You have absolutely no evidence that you ever went to Kenya, and you’re a convicted forger. Your word is essentially worthless, and in fact would harm the credibility of any case that put you up on the stand. You’re a cross-examiner’s wet dream.

    I’ve filed declarations and affidavits in several Courts, both state and federal, across the country which, regarding my account of obtaining Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate in Kenya.

    I’ve sent certified and notarized letters to every member of the US Congress in 2010 discussing my account of obtaining Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate in Kenya.

    All of which are worthless. I could impeach you on the stand in two questions. Like I said you’re a cross-examiner’s wet dream. You’re worse than anonymous. You’d actually be a hindrance to any case you testified on, and no competent attorney would allow you anywhere near the stand.

  66. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:21 pm #

    doggone:
    I dont know Lucas…… thats a long time to be totally forgotten

    as a taxpayer I’m all for it though

    Dear dog mug,

    I’m not going to convicted of the crime. I’m innocent.

    The case carries 5 years (class D). But in Iowa can be bumped up to 10 years (class C) because I have priors. However, one commendable aspect of the Honorable Linn County Court is that they don’t usually ever do that. They looks at cases as they should be, individually. It not some cold dead heart 3 strikes things like in California.

    Lastly, since I am now 31 years old, and the last crime that I was convicted of in Iowa took place (not the date of conviction) in 2005 I could, technically, be termed as a ‘habitual offender’ and sentenced to an extra 15 years on top of the time (5 or 10 years) that I would be sentenced to for the case in question.

    At any rate, I’m innocent. The Honorable Court in Linn County will not convict me nor will they send me to prison.

    Bye dog mug.

  67. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:28 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dear old Kenny,Perhaps you haven’t yet reviewed my latest blog report?“Helton/Heltan Maganga 2009 ink stamp on Barack Obama’s 1961 CPGH Kenyan certificate of birth.”http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/heltonhetlan-maganga-2009-ink-stamp-on-barack-obamas-1961-cpgh-kenyan-certificate-of-birth/

    I read your blog entry didn’t you see I commented on it? I notice you went around in a circle and didn’t answer why you got the wrong administrator on your forgery and why the administrator would spell his own name wrong. There’s a difference between an error on a stamp that’s misprinted for philadelphia and a stamp for an administrator who would have looked at it and said “Hey my name is spelled wrong”. So for all the wording you put in your article it still doesn’t explain why the wrong administrator is on your forgery “Lucas Smith”

  68. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:28 pm #

    dunstvangeet: The DOJ didn’t fight your testimony. They filed to dismiss the case. Trust me, any attorney wouldn’t fight getting you up on the stand for the other side, because they would have absolutely no problem impeaching your testimony. You have absolutely no evidence that you ever went to Kenya, and you’re a convicted forger. Your word is essentially worthless, and in fact would harm the credibility of any case that put you up on the stand. You’re a cross-examiner’s wet dream.

    Dear empty head number 2,

    Would you mind checking things out a bit before you start talking about stuff that you don’t know about?

    For the record, The Honorable Judge David O. Carter was pushing, fervently, in open Court, the USDOJ, to hear my testimony on the 8th day of September 2009.

    The USDOJ fought against hearing my testimony that day.

    You can read all about it, word for word, from the official court transcript:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19777637/KEYES-v-OBAMA-OFFICIAL-COURT-TRANSCRIPT-982009

    “KEYES v OBAMA OFFICIAL COURT TRANSCRIPT 9-8-2009”

  69. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dear dog mug,I’m not going to convicted of the crime. I’m innocent.The case carries 5 years (class D). But in Iowa can be bumped up to 10 years (class C) because I have priors. However, one commendable aspect of the Honorable Linn County Court is that they don’t usually ever do that. They looks at cases as they should be, individually. It not some cold dead heart 3 strikes things like in California.Lastly, since I am now 31 years old, and the last crime that I was convicted of in Iowa took place (not the date of conviction) in 2005 I could, technically, be termed as a ‘habitual offender’ and sentenced to an extra 15 years on top of the time (5 or 10 years) that I would be sentenced to for the case in question.At any rate, I’m innocent. The Honorable Court in Linn County will not convict me nor will they send me to prison.Bye dog mug.

    Yes Lucas I’m sure when you were in prison it was filled with Innocent people who committed no crimes.

  70. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): I read your blog entry didn’t you see I commented on it?I notice you went around in a circle and didn’t answer why you got the wrong administrator on your forgery and why the administrator would spell his own name wrong.There’s a difference between an error on a stamp that’s misprinted for philadelphia and a stamp for an administrator who would have looked at it and said “Hey my name is spelled wrong”.So for all the wording you put in your article it still doesn’t explain why the wrong administrator is on your forgery “Lucas Smith”

    Excuse me for not noticing you Kenny. You have to many aliases. One minute you are good old Ken and the next minute you are Bob.

    Got any ID?

  71. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:31 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dear empty head number 2,Would you mind checking things out a bit before you start talking about stuff that you don’t know about?For the record, The Honorable Judge David O. Carter was pushing, fervently, in open Court, the USDOJ, to hear my testimony on the 8th day of September 2009.The USDOJ fought against hearing my testimony that day.You can read all about it, word for word, from the official court transcript:http://www.scribd.com/doc/19777637/KEYES-v-OBAMA-OFFICIAL-COURT-TRANSCRIPT-982009“KEYES v OBAMA OFFICIAL COURT TRANSCRIPT 9-8-2009‘

    Looks like passive aggressive Lucas is back. Everytime his forgery is called out he starts with the name calling and the snippy comments. There was no pushing for your testimony by the court. Also I notice you skipped over his comment about you having the wrong hospital administrator on your forgery.

  72. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:33 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Excuse me for not noticing you Kenny. You have to many aliases. One minute you are good old Ken and the next minute you are Bob.Got any ID?

    Too many aliases? Really you couldn’t read the (Bob Ross) here and then see the Bob Ross posted in your comments and realize it was the same person? I have been clear about what screen names I use. You on the other hand have been totally unclear when you used multiple aliases to commit actual crimes. I’ve always shown my alias as Bob Ross here and on other sites including yours. It’s not my fault you can’t read.

    Again Lucas why do you have the wrong hospital administrator on your forgery? You keep skipping over that question. Why won’t you show the passport stamps from African countries during your supposed travel?

  73. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:35 pm #

    You know Doc Lucas’ mug up above reminds me of the popular internet meme “Scumbag Steve”
    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/scumbag-steve

  74. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:36 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): here was no pushing for your testimony by the court.

    Why are you lying?

  75. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:38 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Why are you lying?

    I’m not lying, I leave that to you. Your case was dismissed you were not called for any testimony. Why do you have the wrong administrator on your forgery?

  76. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:39 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court

    You ever doing any fact checking before you start blabbing?

    Again, why have you just lied? (Or does that just come easy and typical for you?)

  77. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:40 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: You ever doing any fact checking before you start blabbing?Again, why have you just lied? (Or does that just come easy and typical for you?)

    Yes, its clear you haven’t which is why Dr Manganga’s name was mispelled on your forgery. Which is also why you had the wrong administrator when you created your forgery.

  78. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:41 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court

    You said, “There was no pushing for your testimony by the court”

    So, why did you lie? The Honorable Judge David O. Carter asked the USDOJ to hear my testimony that day on the 8th of September,2009.

    So why are you lying Ken/Bob?

    ?

  79. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:41 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court.

    Why are you lying?

  80. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:42 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: You said, “There was no pushing for your testimony by the court”So, why did you lie? The Honorable Judge David O. Carter asked the USDOJ to hear my testimony that day on the 8th of September,2009.So why are you lying Ken/Bob??

    There wasn’t any pushing for your testimony. The case never got past the preliminary stages and so you would have never been called as a witness. Why are you lying Lucas? Were you ever called to be a witness? Were you subpoenaed?

  81. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court.

    I remember you now. You are the Obot with the slow and feeble mind. That’s not a cut-down, it’s just the truth. I remember it well now. You never could keep up with the facts.

    Now please tell me why you are lying? And does it feel good to lie? Do you feel powerful now?

  82. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There wasn’t any pushing for your testimony.

    Why are you lying?

  83. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:46 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There wasn’t any pushing for your testimony.The case never got past the preliminary stages and so you would have never been called as a witness.Why are you lying Lucas?Were you ever called to be a witness?Were you subpoenaed?

    You better start reading the official court transcript:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19777637/KEYES-v-OBAMA-OFFICIAL-COURT-TRANSCRIPT-982009

    Then tell us all why you lied.

    Why did you lie?

  84. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:47 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court.

    Why did you lie?

  85. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:48 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: You better start reading the official court transcript:http://www.scribd.com/doc/19777637/KEYES-v-OBAMA-OFFICIAL-COURT-TRANSCRIPT-982009Then tell us all why you lied.Why did you lie?

    You mean the case where you claimed Orly Taitz asked you to lie in court? The one where she tried to beg Carter to allow you to testify? Carter didn’t try to get you to testify and there was no subpoena for you to testify. Once again why do you keep changing the subject away from the Wrong Administrator being on the forgery you created?

  86. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:50 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: I remember you now. You are the Obot with the slow and feeble mind. That’s not a cut-down, it’s just the truth. I remember it well now. You never could keep up with the facts.Now please tell me why you are lying? And does it feel good to lie? Do you feel powerful now?

    Ah yes when Lucas gets called out he tries to insult people and change the subject. Remember last time you got torn apart and broke down into unintelligible insults when asked to defend why you forged the document you claim is Obama’s birth certificate. Tell me Lucas was it worth the aggrevation to create a document no one in their right mind would believe? Was it worth the time and energy for the little monetary gain you got out of the forgery? Did it make you feel powerful that gullible birthers fell for your handiwork? Does it make you feel like a man?

  87. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:50 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater or Bob Ross or whatever his name really is has been lying to us.

    Tell us why you lied?

    You done reading the facts yet?

    You still going keep lying? Or you just going to be a man for once in your long and uneventful life and tell the truth and admit that you were wrong?

    Why did you lie?

  88. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:50 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Why did you lie?

    Once again I leave the lying to you. Why is the wrong administrator on the forgery you created?

  89. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 2:50 pm #

    oh lookee, the baby is having a tantrum.

  90. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

    Hawaiiborn: oh lookee, the baby is having a tantrum.

    He does this everytime his forgery is questioned. He’s a child.

  91. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court.

    Why are you lying?

  92. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

    why hasn’t lucas (aka forger aka liar aka criminal) haven’t produced any evidence that he has been to Kenya.

    His fake video from that is actually the Dominican Republic isn’t Kenya.

  93. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 2:52 pm #

    He isn’t.

    why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

  94. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:52 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There was no pushing for your testimony by the court.

    Why are you lying?

  95. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 2:53 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Why are you lying?

    He isn’t.

    why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

  96. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 2:54 pm #

    Hawaiiborn:
    He isn’t.

    So, you haven’t read the transcript? Or are just a man-friend of old man Kenny/Bobby?

  97. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:54 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dr Kenneth Noisewater or Bob Ross or whatever his name really is has been lying to us.Tell us why you lied?You done reading the facts yet?You still going keep lying? Or you just going to be a man for once in your long and uneventful life and tell the truth and admit that you were wrong?Why did you lie?

    Lucas Smith or should I call you Mr Wilson? How about Anthony Jones Bolden? Andrew Ellis Hall? Frank Allen Long? You seem to have an affinity for using the first middle and last names in your aliases. I’ve read up you were never subpoenaed but again you failed to answer my questions. Isn’t this the case that never went anywhere where you told people Orly Taitz told you to lie to the court? Why is the wrong administrator on the forgery you created?

  98. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 2:54 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: So, you haven’t read the transcript?Or are just a man-friend of old man Kenny/Bobby?

    i’ve read it. You obviously cannot remember your lies because it doesn’t say what you think it says.

    why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

  99. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 2:55 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Why are you lying?

    Once again I leave the lying to you. Why is the wrong administrator on the forgery you created?

  100. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 2:58 pm #

    lookee , baby is having a tantrum. avoids direct questions., caught in his lies upon lies.

    court transcript doesn’t support what lucas is saying

    Carter didn’t subpoena. You begged to testify (that means the COURT didn’t ask you to testify) therefor Bob ross is correct.

    Stop dodging you liar:

    why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

  101. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 3:00 pm #

    Hawaiiborn: lookee , baby is having a tantrum. avoids direct questions., caught in his lies upon lies.court transcript doesn’t support what lucas is sayingCarter didn’t subpoena. You begged to testify (that means the COURT didn’t ask you to testify) therefor Bob ross is correct.Stop dodging you liar:why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

    Orly Taitz also begged Carter to have Lucas testify. She also told Lucas to lie to the court. Even she thought so lowly of Lucas that she wanted to use him as a common criminal.

  102. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 3:01 pm #

    Hawaiiborn:
    lookee , baby is having a tantrum. avoids direct questions., caught in his lies upon lies.

    court transcript doesn’t support what lucas is saying

    Carter didn’t subpoena. You begged to testify (that means the COURT didn’t ask you to testify) therefor Bob ross is correct.

    Stop dodging you liar:

    why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

    Why are you lying? And why haven’t you read the transcript? How did you and Kenny/Bobby meet? How long have you guys been swapping tongue for now?

  103. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 3:02 pm #

    Official court transcript:

    The Honorable Judge David O. Carter stated,
    “…why cannot
    that deposition
    (of Lucas Smith)
    take place while this witness is here? In other words, thiswitness is prese
    nt. That deposition could take place. It’s not interfering with the jurisdictional issues that you have because it’s not „discovery’ that she is seeking from you. It’s some witnessthat she has that she believes she can’t get back in a timely fashion. Hold on. I know you’re
    opposed to it. I can read your mind. My question is, why not? First of all, it gives thegovernment a wonderful glimpse of what is forthcoming. It lets you prepare. Number two, it
    allows you to put on this witness who’s come all the way from Kenya, whether they’re in
    danger or not. Number three, if people need to get this particular witness back, as you claim,that he or she is essential to your claim, then the government can bring them back. So from
    the government’s perspective,

    what are you doing this week? Where are you from?…Now the
    problem is, though, if this witness is languishing out in the hallway and you believe that the
    witness is critical, that person has to continue to languish …And my initial question was, to
    the government, what harm? In other words, they
    (the defendants)
    actually got a glimpse of
    what your claim is…so why wouldn’t we take this witness with the admonition that thiswitness would have to be called back. In other words, I’m really concerned about peopl
    e
    testifying who are available…”

  104. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 3:03 pm #

    The response from the USDOJ (United States Department of Justice) was,
    “…I think it is an unwise move at this point in time to order this witness be deposed.”

  105. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 3:03 pm #

    The Honorable Judge David O. Carter responded to the USDOJ with,
    “I’m just alittle perplexed why that wouldn’t be to your benefit, because in case your motion
    (to dismiss)
    fails, you know exactly what is coming and you have a chance to either prove it or disprove it,
    but I leave that to your wisdom.”

  106. avatar
    Thrifty July 12, 2011 at 3:05 pm #

    Boy this got ugly fast. Don’t make me break out the fire hose!

  107. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 3:13 pm #

    I dont see where in that transcript that the Judge is asking you to testify. It was request made by ORLY to have you testify, but she had some requirements. He asked why those requirements were needed.

    He then didn’t let you testify.

    The court didn’t ASK you to testify (BOB SAID THE COURT, NOT ORLY). ORLY wanted you to testify (that isn’t the COURT asking you to testify)

    Orly is NOT the court. She a nitrous addled dentist lawyer who has affairs.

    why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

  108. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 3:14 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Official court transcript:The Honorable Judge David O. Carter stated,“…why cannotthat deposition(of Lucas Smith)take place while this witness is here? In other words, thiswitness is present. That deposition could take place. It’s not interfering with the jurisdictional issues that you have because it’s not „discovery’ that she is seeking from you. It’s some witnessthat she has that she believes she can’t get back in a timely fashion. Hold on. I know you’reopposed to it. I can read your mind. My question is, why not? First of all, it gives thegovernment a wonderful glimpse of what is forthcoming. It lets you prepare. Number two, itallows you to put on this witness who’s come all the way from Kenya, whether they’re indanger or not. Number three, if people need to get this particular witness back, as you claim,that he or she is essential to your claim, then the government can bring them back. So fromthe government’s perspective,what are you doing this week? Where are you from?…Now theproblem is, though, if this witness is languishing out in the hallway and you believe that thewitness is critical, that person has to continue to languish …And my initial question was, tothe government, what harm? In other words, they(the defendants)actually got a glimpse ofwhat your claim is…so why wouldn’t we take this witness with the admonition that thiswitness would have to be called back. In other words, I’m really concerned about peopletestifying who are available…”

    Lucas whats with the elipses? Why are you leaving stuff out?

  109. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 3:14 pm #

    Lucas: why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

  110. avatar
    raicha July 12, 2011 at 3:19 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dear empty head number 2,Would you mind checking things out a bit before you start talking about stuff that you don’t know about?For the record, The Honorable Judge David O. Carter was pushing, fervently, in open Court, the USDOJ, to hear my testimony on the 8th day of September 2009.The USDOJ fought against hearing my testimony that day.You can read all about it, word for word, from the official court transcript:http://www.scribd.com/doc/19777637/KEYES-v-OBAMA-OFFICIAL-COURT-TRANSCRIPT-982009“KEYES v OBAMA OFFICIAL COURT TRANSCRIPT 9-8-2009‘

    Judge Carter did not push, fervently or otherwise, to hear your testimony that day. In fact, he said the opposite:

    Page 22, Line 15: “And you are bringing witnesses into court, which is what I call, for both sides, a little bit of surprise and ambush. We’re not going to do that.”

    Page 38, Line 17: “I don’t intend to hear witnesses on the fly as they come in and with each party jumping up and claiming that this witness is dispositive. And I don’t intend to hear witnesses in a court of law without notice to the other party.”

    Judge Carter suggested that Taitz notice the other party for taking your deposition while you were still available. That deposition would not have occurred on September 8, 2009. And it would not have been testimony in front of Judge Carter.

    You are lying. But then, you are a convicted forger facing charges that could lock you up for 25 years. Your lies are not surprising.

  111. avatar
    Estiveo July 12, 2011 at 3:23 pm #

    So, In fact, He, Lucas Daniel Smith, there was no pushing for your testimony. There was just a suggestion to the DOJ attorneys that they could take your deposition while you were all at the courthouse (not the same thing as testimony in court) in case their motion to dismiss were to fail, which it didn’t and wasn’t going to. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt; you aren’t telling a lie, you’re just wrongly interpreting the truth.

    Also, too, Lucas, why is it that you can NEVER answer a direct question with a direct answer? Why is it that after dodging the same questions over and over you ALWAYS resort to accusations of homosexuality?

    And why do us silly Obots keep plying He, Lucas Daniel Smith’s, childish games?

  112. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 3:30 pm #

    And there we go, Lucas Smith caught lying:

    Lucas: why did you misspell the name of the Hospital administrator on your fake birther certificate.

  113. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 3:42 pm #

    Bill Bowman brought this up at fogbow but according to Lucas he opened that checking account he was in trouble for with his passport as his ID. Do you think this would be entered into evidence in his latest case?

  114. avatar
    MikTaerg July 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm #

    The name is Heltan.

    According to the
    MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS RETENTION REGISTER, 2010 Ministry of Medical Services of Kenya

    The Register is issued by the Ministry of Medical Services
    The Register is signed by Dr. Francis M. Kimani, director of medical services

    here are the necessary links.

    the official Register listing Maganga
    http://medicalboard.co.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=35

    the Kenyan law establishing the body in charge of the Register(cap 253)
    http://www.kenyalaw.org/kenyalaw/klr_app/view_content.php?ContentHistoryID=2292

    the Ministry of Medical Services
    http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/government/medical_services.htm

    Those willing to run through the links will realize that this is not just another online directory

    it also seems I can use this document in court as prima facie evidence concerning the contents of Maganga’s registration

    http://www.kenyalaw.org/kenyalaw/klr_app/view_content.php?ContentHistoryID=2297

    10. (1) The publication of the list of registered medical and dental practitioners in the Gazette shall be prima facie evidence that the persons named therein are registered under this Act, and the absence of the name of any person from such list shall be prima facie evidence that the person is not so registered.

    (2) All register books and all copies thereof or extracts therefrom certified under the hand of the Registrar shall be receivable in evidence in all courts.

    when here:

    http://www.medicalboard.co.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=35

    be sure to type Heltan in the search box. Maganga will not turn out results

    Dr. MAGANGA, HELTAN MNJAMA
    Reg. Date 1994-06-17 (wow to Lucas for the date format !)
    Reg. No. A3636
    Address P.O BOX 41009 -80100, MOMBASA
    Qualifications MBChB(Nairobi) 1993, M.Med(Surg)(Nbi) 2001
    Specialty General Surgery

    Dr. F. M. KIMANI

    Registrar/ Director of Medical Services

  115. avatar
    dunstvangeet July 12, 2011 at 4:14 pm #

    Lucas Smith,

    Like I said, you’d be a cross-examiner’s wet dream. There’s a saying that you never interrupt your opponent when he’s making a mistake. No lawyer in their right mind would try to keep you off the stand when you’re going against them, because you have nothing to offer. You’re a convicted forger with a document that nobody can authenticate but you. You’re a convicted forger with a document that has none of the authentication that is required before a court of law (read FRE 902(3)). I’d have fun impeaching your testimony on the stand. I wouldn’t keep you off. And since you have absolutely nothing that you can offer but to show how bad your case actually is. It would be fun to get the judge annoyed at your case when it becomes blatently obvious that you have absolutely no admissible evidence to deny the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    If you ever did get to a court of law, it would be a 2-minute trial. Obama would present the exact same birth certificate as what has been on the internet for 2 years. There would be no need to call anybody to authenticate the birth certificate. It’s a self-authenticating document. And no amount of “But there’s layers” will discount that fact. And your document would be fun, because it would just show the judge the actual weakness of the opposition case.

    You’d basically shoot your case in the foot by trying to admit that you’re the best evidence that they actually have, and your evidence is crap, as far as legal evidence is concerned. It would be fun to actually impeach you on the stand, and a 1st year law student would have absolutely no problem doing it. All they’d have to do is bring up the fact that you’re a convicted forger with a document that has no further authentication other than your word. Then they’d bring up other facts, such as the fact that the person who signed the birth certificate as “Chief Administrator” was not chief administrator at the time, and in fact misspelled his own name on the signature. You’re a cross-examiner’s wet dream.

  116. avatar
    Loren July 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

    Last Monday, July 4 2011, marked exactly one year from the pledged release date for Lucas’ 1000-page tell-all book:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2289&p=149143#p149143

    ‘Tickets’ for said book were offered on eBay at $15 each, and Lucas raked in at least a couple hundred dollars from eBay buyers at the time.

    Then, to our utter shock and surprise, Lucas never wrote any book. Now over a year has passed since its supposed release date, and the book continues to be vaporware.

    “Unrepentant Smith” indeed.

  117. avatar
    Turning the Scale July 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm #

    Hmmm … He, AKA’s POSFKBC uses the wrong style of date.

    Corsi’s letters, allegedly from a Kenyan governmental official, have the wrong style of date.

    Is it possible, even probable, that the source of all those documents was the same?

    You been hanging with Jerome, Lucas?

  118. avatar
    JoZeppy July 12, 2011 at 4:31 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Why are you lying?

    Actually Mr Smith, the question of you giving testimony in open court was immediately shot down. (“I don’t intend to hear witnesses on the fly as they come in and with each party jumping up claiming that this witness is dispositive. And I don’t intend to hear witnesses in a court of law without notice to the other party. These are usually accomplished by depositions, quite frankly. And, therefore, it’s notice to the other party.”)
    First off, there was no trial for you to give testimony at. You’ll note the word “deposition” was used. A deposition is not the same thing as giving testimony. I’m not surprised you are confused, afterall, you were working with Orly, for whom the Federal Rules of Civil Proceedure are impossible to grasp.

    Another point….Orly said you had come from another country and she didn’t know if you would be able to return….I didn’t realize Iowa was a foreign country. The judge seemed to be under the impression you were coming all the way from Kenya. That’s what’s known as a lack of candor with the court. You see, if she told the judge he flew all the way for Iowa, there wouldn’t even be a question of whether he would allow your deposition.

    Also, you should be happy that you never testified in open court. You see that perjury thing really sucks. Your meaniless junior high grade soft core porn that you filed as affidavits pretty much get ignored. They really don’t amount to a hill of beans. The courts generally aren’t going to bother reading an affidavit attached to an incomprehensible, blubbering motions the type which Orly files, so you can dodge that bullet. Start spewing that garbage at a trial, odds are much better you’ll get prosecuted for perjury.

    Finally….what’s with all the homosexual name calling? You’ve done this before. Didn’t you grow out of that by junior high? And you really expect people to take you seriously?

  119. avatar
    JoZeppy July 12, 2011 at 4:37 pm #

    dunstvangeet: It would be fun to actually impeach you on the stand, and a 1st year law student would have absolutely no problem doing it.

    Make it 2nd year….you usually don’t take evidence in your first year.

  120. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 12, 2011 at 4:43 pm #

    Hawaiiborn:
    “As everyone that knows anything already knows I traveled, over land, from the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Uganda to Kenya.”

    No, no one knows. you haven’t provided any evdience (plane tickets, toll recepits, customs forms, visa stamps) that you have ever stepped foot in Kenya.

    Only your fake photos from the DR,and from which what your video featured (that wasn’t Kenya)

    What Lucas does not realize is that travelling overland in Central Africa may indeed be a nice way of avoiding stamps in your passport but is even more hazardous than in the days when Obama sr and his highly pregnant wife are supposed to have travelled overland to Mombasa.

    Particularly in the Congo. Sorry if this sounds like a racist rant, but 95% of all Congolese when asked will tell you you must be stark raving mad to travel “overland” in the Congo. During Zairization, roads were no longer repaired or looked after, but nevertheless for many years were still used by heavy duty lorries that drove the commodities to an airport from where they were shipped to us.

    Inland long-distance travel is by plane in the Congo. People who really cannot afford to pay the bill. use river boats.

    Of course, Uganda and Kenya have (or have had) their own problem with civil wars, making overland travel dangerous

  121. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    dunstvangeet: Lucas Smith,Like I said, you’d be a cross-examiner’s wet dream. There’s a saying that you never interrupt your opponent when he’s making a mistake. No lawyer in their right mind would try to keep you off the stand when you’re going against them, because you have nothing to offer. You’re a convicted forger with a document that nobody can authenticate but you. You’re a convicted forger with a document that has none of the authentication that is required before a court of law (read FRE 902(3)). I’d have fun impeaching your testimony on the stand. I wouldn’t keep you off. And since you have absolutely nothing that you can offer but to show how bad your case actually is. It would be fun to get the judge annoyed at your case when it becomes blatently obvious that you have absolutely no admissible evidence to deny the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.If you ever did get to a court of law, it would be a 2-minute trial. Obama would present the exact same birth certificate as what has been on the internet for 2 years. There would be no need to call anybody to authenticate the birth certificate. It’s a self-authenticating document. And no amount of “But there’s layers” will discount that fact. And your document would be fun, because it would just show the judge the actual weakness of the opposition case.You’d basically shoot your case in the foot by trying to admit that you’re the best evidence that they actually have, and your evidence is crap, as far as legal evidence is concerned. It would be fun to actually impeach you on the stand, and a 1st year law student would have absolutely no problem doing it. All they’d have to do is bring up the fact that you’re a convicted forger with a document that has no further authentication other than your word. Then they’d bring up other facts, such as the fact that the person who signed the birth certificate as “Chief Administrator” was not chief administrator at the time, and in fact misspelled his own name on the signature. You’re a cross-examiner’s wet dream.

    Not only that Loren but as we see from how he acts here the moment Lucas is asked to answer a direct question he will become a hostile witness. Lucas would most likely be charged with Contempt of Court after he starts going on about the questioning attorney’s sexual orientation.

  122. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 5:02 pm #

    Dear JoZeppy,

    I didn’t come to the California hearing by way of Iowa. I came from, fles in from, abroad, outside of the USA.

    Why are you people always taking wild guesses and then trying to pass them off as hard fact?

  123. avatar
    Obsolete July 12, 2011 at 5:03 pm #

    Was God being playful by allowing Obama’s genuine and true Kenyan birth certificate to fall into the hands of the one person who would never be believed as having acquired the real deal due to his past?

  124. avatar
    JoZeppy July 12, 2011 at 5:10 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dear JoZeppy,I didn’t come to the California hearing by way of Iowa. I came from, fles in from, abroad, outside of the USA.Why are you people always taking wild guesses and then trying to pass them off as hard fact?

    Mr Smith,

    Read the very transcript you provided the link to. It is very clear what impression Orly gave. It is also pretty clear that you spend a good portion of you time in the US, and that Orly’s statements lacked candor. While you may have been coming in from abroad just prior to the hearing, to try to stretch that to not being available for future depositions is a flat out lie.

  125. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 5:12 pm #

    Obsolete: Was God being playful by allowing Obama’s genuine and true Kenyan birth certificate to fall into the hands of the one person who would never be believed as having acquired the real deal due to his past?

    Are you saying Lucas is the modern Cassandra?

  126. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 5:13 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dear JoZeppy,I didn’t come to the California hearing by way of Iowa. I came from, fles in from, abroad, outside of the USA.Why are you people always taking wild guesses and then trying to pass them off as hard fact?

    Funny isn’t that what you did with your forgery Lucas?

  127. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 12, 2011 at 5:18 pm #

    Dear Paul Pienienzy,

    You really and truly are the king of Google search. Thanks you so much for your online search data regarding the Congo.

    From your remarks I think its safe to say that you’ve never really been a true ‘field’ man.

    For the record, little meek Paully, adventure seeking Americans don’t travel to the Congo to be daunted by its lack or roads and its overabundance or rebels in the lawless forests.

    Paul sounds like one of my university professors always warning me ‘don’t eat the food that street vendors sell, you get a tummy ache and die.’ Or, don’t take the public cars, they’ll rob you and take you to a bad place.’

    People like Paul will ever understand people like Lucas Smith and Ann Dunham.

  128. avatar
    Jo July 12, 2011 at 5:29 pm #

    Why was the wrong administrator on the alledged birth certificate?
    Why was the wrong administrator’s name spelled incorrectly?
    Why have you not published scans of your passport showing your visa stamps?

  129. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 12, 2011 at 5:30 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dear Paul Pienienzy,You really and truly are the king of Google search. Thanks you so much for your online search data regarding the Congo.From your remarks I think its safe to say that you’ve never really been a true field’ man.For the record, little meek Paully, adventure seeking Americans don’t travel to the Congo to be daunted by its lack or roads and its overabundance or rebels in the lawless forests.Paul sounds like one of my university professors always warning me don’t eat the food that street vendors sell, you get a tummy ache and die.’ Or, don’t take the public cars, they’ll rob you and take you to a bad place.’People like Paul will ever understand people like Lucas Smith and Ann Dunham.

    And Lucas Smith doesn’t travel to the Congo either. So why was the wrong administrator’s name on your forgery?

  130. avatar
    JoZeppy July 12, 2011 at 5:58 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: People like Paul will ever understand people like Lucas Smith

    Poor Paul. I guess we’ll just have to clump him into the group of people that don’t understand the criminal mind.

    And please…you are nowhere near the same catagory as Ann Dunham. You’re just a minor league felon with delusions of grandure.

  131. avatar
    Hawaiiborn July 12, 2011 at 6:02 pm #

    Jo:
    Why was the wrong administrator on the alledged birth certificate?
    Why was the wrong administrator’s name spelled incorrectly?
    Why have you not published scans of your passport showing your visa stamps?

    care to answer. can we leave the bs transcript out since this is about his fake BC?

  132. avatar
    doggone July 12, 2011 at 6:15 pm #

    Lucas Smith HAS published pictures of himself in Africa

    Here is a link to the photos:

    http://theautonomist.com/atnmst/bo_bc_files/obamma_bc_ebay6_bids.html

    Click on the link that says View Larger Pictures

    Lucas says this about the photos:

    On Jul-01-09 at 19:11:56 PDT, seller added the following information:
    Added another photo of Andylenny and Lucas together. This photo is not for autograph.

    Added two other photos of Lucas. These two photos are only listed to show the background neighborhood in Africa, which will be of relevance when documenting our story (explain later). These two photos are not for autograph.

    Added photo of Dawnella and Lucas together. This photo is not for autograph

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Strangely the photos of Africa look a lot like a slum in The Dominican Republic.

  133. avatar
    Obsolete July 12, 2011 at 6:49 pm #

    Uh oh!
    “Not a Registered User” on EBay!

    The whole world is against you today, Lucas.

  134. avatar
    SluggoJD July 12, 2011 at 9:04 pm #

    Lucas, just a little friendly advice – since you can’t provide any evidence that you actually went to Kenya, why don’t you start claiming that the Virgin Mary floated you over there.

    Seriously, it’s your only option at this point.

  135. avatar
    Zixi of Ix July 12, 2011 at 11:59 pm #

    gorefan:

    He doesn’t understand that if Dr Heltan Maganga did not sign the Kenya BC then it is not a legal document. He just outed it as a fake.

    He outs himself as a fake, along with his ratty, poorly cobbled together Kenyan birth certificate in many ways, but this is definitive:

    Lucas’ few remaining deluded supporters claim that he’s keeping his passport information under wraps to protect himself from the big bad Obama meanies who would use it as proof that he’s telling the truth and needs to be silenced. In other words, he’s keeping those records private as a form of protection.

    But that’s flawed thinking, to put it nicely.

    If Lucas had an entry in his passport for Kenya, it would prove nothing, except that he’d actually been to Kenya. He could show his passport and identifiable trip photos all day long. A passport and identifiable photos mean nothing except that they would prove he’s not a lying liar who lies when he says he’s been to Kenya/

    On the other hand, if what he says is true and the birth certificate he waves around is real, then Obama certainly knows it. It would prove everything. The birth certificate, if real, could be seriously dangerous information to have if you follow birther logic, yet Lucas throws it out there everywhere with abandon.

    Lucas is unable to show what any other chump with the money for plane tickets to Kenya could show, but is happy to show something that he knows is a laughable fake.

  136. avatar
    Zixi of Ix July 13, 2011 at 12:03 am #

    Zixi of Ix: He outs himself as a fake, along with his ratty, poorly cobbled together Kenyan birth certificate in many ways, but this is definitive:

    Oh, and then there is this:

    Throw an address, a seal, a footprint, and a doctor’s name, all from the internet, together in the Gimp, and ta-da! You have a fake birth certificate from half way around the world in Kenya. Very few people in the US will be able to tell the difference between real and not.

    Many more people in the US have been to Kenya than have experienced with Kenyan birth certificates, though. An even greater number have passports.

    Valid passports with stamps from Kenya, and current visas would be so much harder to fake competently, so he didn’t or couldn’t fake them, and thus can’t show those.

  137. avatar
    gorefan July 13, 2011 at 12:39 am #

    Zixi of Ix: Many more people in the US have been to Kenya than have experienced with Kenyan birth certificates, though.

    Actually, a valid, official Kenya Birth Certificate looks nothing like the one produced by Lucas Smith. His BC is more like a hospital souvenir.

  138. avatar
    Jeffrey Doobin July 13, 2011 at 2:27 am #

    Throw an address, a seal, a footprint, and a doctor’s name, all from the internet, together in the Gimp, and ta-da!You have a fake birth certificate from half way around the world in Kenya. Very few people in the US will be able to tell the difference between real and not.

    Actually, the opposite is true.

  139. avatar
    roadburner July 13, 2011 at 4:01 am #

    Lucas D. Smith: adventure seeking Americans don’t travel to the Congo to be daunted by its lack or roads and its overabundance or rebels in the lawless forests .

    think about this for a moment lucas.

    we´re talking here about a heavily pregnant woman who is about to drop.

    anne dunham may have been adventurous, but she most certainly wasn´t insane enough to take a long arduous overland journey on unmade roads in extreme heat through hostile territory in that state.

    to suggest that she would beggars belief

  140. avatar
    Keith July 13, 2011 at 9:54 am #

    Lucas D. Smith: Keith,

    It appears that the significance of my blog report went over your head.

    There is no reason to go insulting my height challenged body.

    There is, invariably, and explanation for everything. You’re explanation could be accurate and correct.Although I’ve sent money via Western Union to the Dominican Republic and the pay out receipts that the payees receive always vary in date format, sometime its DD/MM/YYYY and sometimes its MM/DD/YYYY.

    Again, the significance of my blog report appears to have went directly over your head.The rules of Obotopia state that if the date format on a document does not match the official or standard date format for the country (Kenya, Dominican Republic, or any country) then the said document in a clear fake , forgery and a fraud.

    Even if I accept your premise (and I don’t – I often used YYYY/MM/DD in the USA), the documents you published show no sign of not matching the “standard date format for the country (Kenya, Dominican Republic, or any country)”. They are 100% consistent. Period.

    I trust that you understand the significance now? If not, here, I make it real simple for you: I doesn’t matter that you have a reasonable explanation for the atypical, or wrong, date format on the Western Union receipts. The Western Union receipts are clear forgeries according to the rules of Obotopia.

    No they don’t. Not by that criteria. The only thing suspicious about those documents is the fact that you, a convicted forger, are using them to support some arcane argument about why your already proven fake document might pass muster in some bizzarro universe.

    A little advice for you Keith…back off the conspiracy juice. The way that you fiendishly went off on a bloodthirsty hunt to prove that Philadelpia was an abbreviation suggests that you suffer from sort of conspiratorial neurosis.

    To even think that Philadelpia would be an abbreviation for Philadelphia is, well, forgive me Keith, a bit…empty-headed.

    Hey, that was just a little bit of personal fun, you don’t have to get insulting about it. I used to be a keen stamp collector (when I was much younger) and part of my collection is the same stamp with many different post marks on it. There are others like me that collect weird stuff. I thought the story of the ‘Philadelpia’ mark could be interesting, my first thought was abbreviation, but it didn’t seem all that likely that they would drop one letter. So I checked it out, and found that it was an error. Stamp collectors love EFO’s and I just educated myself about one I hadn’t known about before. Thank you for the introduction. I have a first day cover block of four of the Dag Hammarskjold invert (not rare at all), and a few others. I wish I had the Nixon invert.

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    ellen July 13, 2011 at 10:49 am #

    Re: “What do you mean by “now” Lucas Smith is claiming?
    I’ve been stating the same thing for almost three (3) years now.”

    Answer: So you have been repeating those claims NOW. The fact that you have been lying for three years does not make it the truth.

    Re: “And yes, I have African passport stamps in my passport.”

    ANSWER: BALONEY. If you did, you would show it.

    Moreover, you have claimed to have gone to KENYA. You never answered the question why you would enter Kenya and not get a Kenyan stamp on your passport. And, you have not shown that you have gone to Kenya AT ALL. Not even a bill from a Kenyan Hotel, not even a credit card statement showing that you had paid money for a hotel in Kenya.

    So the claim that you traveled overland to Kenya, which you say that you have been saying for three years, is BALONEY.

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 13, 2011 at 11:18 am #

    Note the word “African” and not “Kenyan.”

    ellen: Re: “And yes, I have African passport stamps in my passport.”

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    Paul Pieniezny July 13, 2011 at 11:35 am #

    doggone:
    Lucas Smith HAS published pictures of himself in Africa

    Here is a link to the photos:

    http://theautonomist.com/atnmst/bo_bc_files/obamma_bc_ebay6_bids.html

    Strangely the photos of Africa look a lot like a slum in The Dominican Republic.

    They surely do not look like Mombasa, where the more or less inhabitable slums have been built by East Germans, and unsurprisingly look a bit like slums in certain parts of Eastern Europe (Moldova is one of those).

    On the other hand, Port Royal is not in the Dominican Republic, but it is in the Caribbean, and until Lucas proves me wrong, I am convinced that is the only abroad he ever went to. (that is a refernece to my video of Lucas arriving in “Kenya”)

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    Paul Pieniezny July 13, 2011 at 11:44 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Note the word “African” and not “Kenyan.”

    That is going to be his line of defense, I think: I took the plane to the Congo or Tanzania, or whatever and then got into Kenya by bribing a customs official.

    Of course, if the stamp is indeed from the Congo (oh, perhaps he was there indeed, after all who would be so mad as to conhess he has been looking for dinosaurs in the Congo unless it was true), and it is just above the stamp from the Dominican Republic, intertwining with it so it is difficult to show only the Congolese one), Lucas will have some explaining to do.

    Particularly if the Congolese stamp says Zaire.

    Still waiting for Serengetti photos.

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    doggone July 13, 2011 at 11:45 am #

    Paul Pieniezny: They surely do not look like Mombasa, where the more or less inhabitable slums have been built by East Germans, and unsurprisingly look a bit like slums in certain parts of Eastern Europe (Moldova is one of those).

    On the other hand, Port Royal is not in the Dominican Republic, but it is in the Caribbean, and until Lucas proves me wrong, I am convinced that is the only abroad he ever went to. (that is a refernece to my video of Lucas arriving in “Kenya”)

    Its easy to get confused when you leave Iowa.

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    Paul Pieniezny July 13, 2011 at 12:10 pm #

    JoZeppy: Poor Paul. I guess we’ll just have to clump him into the group of people that don’t understand the criminal mind.

    I may not understand the criminal mind but I knew his BC was a fake and I knew his hilarious Youtube video (you had to turn your computer screen 90 degrees to see what was happening) was taken in the Caribbean. You might almost say I could tell a forgery when I see one.

    Which I why I am still eagerly awaiting Lucas’ Serengetti pictures.

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    doggone July 13, 2011 at 3:42 pm #

    Which I why I am still eagerly awaiting Lucas’ Serengetti pictures.

    The Disney Worlds Animal Kingdom has a very nice African village that might work

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    Majority Will July 13, 2011 at 3:56 pm #

    doggone: The Disney Worlds Animal Kingdom has a very nice African village that might work

    But they don’t accept badly misspelled, forged Park Tickets with the wrong dates.