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Concentrated birther

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The thought of crazy people walking around unsupervised bothers me a little, and there’s no shortage of crazy sounding people leaving comments over at WorldNetDaily attached to WND’s birther stories. This one just now got my attention:

It is well documented that his mother was in Kenya when he was born, even to the extent there are records showing she was denied travel from Kenya to Hawaii due to her advanced pregnancy.

That’s crazy and even more disturbing are the ones with violent vigilante language that we’ve all seen. The comments are so very emphatic and certain.

The number of birthers and birther sympathizers peaked when Donald Trump championed their cause, but when the long form was released, birther numbers plummeted, leaving only about 5% of the population still convinced Obama was born overseas. The withering fire of evidence and media commentary has driven away all but the hard core true believers, and we should expect birther rhetoric to become more dogmatic and delusional – because only the dogmatic and delusional birthers remain: concentrated birther.

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21 Responses to Concentrated birther

  1. avatar
    ASK Esq August 11, 2011 at 5:13 pm #

    That, to me, is one of the strangest things about birthers, and also the thing that makes them impossible to defeat with mere facts. They are, for the most part, willing to accept as true anything that bolsters their position, no matter how ridiculous or even contradictory. Since this person heard this, they automatically accept it. Even though, were it true, the matter would be settled. And if you point out that they’re wrong, they will simply ignore you.

  2. avatar
    DP August 11, 2011 at 5:39 pm #

    Actually, that’s not unusual in conspiracy fringes.

    In general, these people are not motivated by factual analysis. They are motivated by an emotional need. In this case, it is simply emotionally unacceptable to them that Obama can be a legitimate President who will show up on all the lists forevermore. They go down with this birther stuff because it answers that need–Obama is illegitimate, he isn’t actually on that list. That’s what they’re clinging to, facts be damned. The facts will be waterboarded as necessary to maintain the citadel in their minds.

  3. avatar
    JoZeppy August 11, 2011 at 6:31 pm #

    I really don’t have the patience to deal with the WND boards. The amount of abject stupidity that goes unchallenged there is just mind boggling. In my occasional passing though of the place, it seems to be where our favorite paralegal from New Mexico holds court, and actually seems to be treated as an authority. Anywhere that a sometime paralegal lacking any degree from an institution of higher learning (heck even an associate’s degree from community college) is looked to as an authority on the law, is a genuinely scary place.

    I recently popped over to see what the talk about crazyland was, and in addition to their normal completely incorrect and unsupported statements of law, our paralegal friend was claiming that “some scholars” (I always loved how some people throw the general “some people say” comments when really they mean “I have no source for this, and none probably exists, but I want to make this wild accusation anyway”) claim that the Democratic party was founded by British loyalists that fled to Canada during the revolution and came back to try to undermine the country. Never mind that the party was formed 60 years after the Revolution…never mind that first Democratic President Andrew Jackson is considered the founder of the party. The same Andrew Jackson that defeated the British in during the War of 1812 during the battle of New Orleans. But hey, as long as you’re operating in a fact free environment, why not throw a few partisan lies in on top of everything.

    Genuinely scary the kind of insanity that runs rampent there.

  4. avatar
    BatGuano August 11, 2011 at 8:25 pm #

    …… great movie tho.

  5. avatar
    Gary Miller August 11, 2011 at 8:37 pm #

    It’s just not as much fun as it used to be. Over at the Free Republic cesspool, Butterdezillion’s nonsense has cooled down considerably, Beckwith seems to have thrown in the towerl, Red Steel’s input is minimal.

    Come back, birthers, come back!

  6. avatar
    US Citizen August 11, 2011 at 9:29 pm #

    Anybody see the latest madness known as the Pitchfork Rally scheduled for Aug 15th in GA?

    Basic stuff is below along with many links.
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/08/colonel-lawrence-sellin-obamas_11.html

    For some of the legal minded here, read about some of the cases the lawyer in charge of this shebang has tried to pull off.
    I think Orly has a long, lost brother: http://www.larryklayman.com

  7. avatar
    US Citizen August 11, 2011 at 9:53 pm #

    Oops. This is a better link for his cases:

    http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/cases

  8. avatar
    misha August 11, 2011 at 10:03 pm #

    US Citizen: I think Orly has a long, lost brother: http://www.larryklayman.com

    US Citizen: Oops. This is a better link for his cases:

    I wrote this before: Larry Klayman literally sued his own mother, and took it to trial!!

    Read all about it: http://www.slate.com/id/2317/

  9. avatar
    BatGuano August 11, 2011 at 10:07 pm #

    misha:
    I wrote this before: Larry Klayman literally sued his own mother,…..

    malpractice?

  10. avatar
    Paul August 11, 2011 at 10:14 pm #

    US Citizen:
    Anybody see the latest madness known as the Pitchfork Rally scheduled for Aug 15th in GA?

    Basic stuff is below along with many links.
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/08/colonel-lawrence-sellin-obamas_11.html

    For some of the legal minded here, read about some of the cases the lawyer in charge of this shebang has tried to pull off.
    I think Orly has a long, lost brother: http://www.larryklayman.com

    Oh holy Jeebus, Lary Sellin is a freakin madman. He actually tried to friend me on LinkedIn because I had written in to Canada Free Press criticizing him. And when I called him on it, “Ok, I KNOW who you are…” his answer was “Baahhhhhhhhh!!!!!”

    He’s like some freakin’ 12 year old. Except a 12-year-old’s balls have probably dropped.

  11. avatar
    J. Potter August 11, 2011 at 11:37 pm #

    The LFBC popped the bloated red birther supergiant and it’s deflated to a brown dwarf. Does anyone think that anyone has been radicalized by birtherism alone? I don’t. The nuts were already nuts, it’s just one more bell to ring.

  12. avatar
    US Citizen August 12, 2011 at 12:39 am #

    misha:
    I wrote this before: Larry Klayman literally sued his own mother, and took it to trial!!

    Read all about it:http://www.slate.com/id/2317/

    I never saw that before. Thanks.

    I guess it’s not hard for two people to find the same holes in the cheese.
    These people are mad and in every way the term can apply.
    They’ll endorse breaking laws from minor ones all the way up to the constitution, while waving their flags and saying the country is being destroyed.
    Anyone that doesn’t agree with them has taken some secret oath and all the NWO and Soros stuff.
    I bet 99% of them don’t even realize how many people are richer than Soros and donated more money to Obama.
    Even with Forbes publishing lists yearly and donations being public record, if Glen Beck said it, it must be true.
    And every one of them probably using either Apple or Microsoft products where their owners and leaders voted and supported Obama along with their own homes filled with stuff made in China.
    The irony of their comments is sometimes so profound, I sometimes have to wonder if they’re being sarcastic.
    Unfortunately, most aren’t. They’re just that dumb and hateful.
    I can’t wait to see their heads explode for another 4 years as they try to take back their country!

  13. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett August 12, 2011 at 1:10 am #

    time bandits: best unofficial Monty Python, kitchen sink sci fi action humor comedy, british who’s-who movie ever.

    world net daily: proof that, given typewriters and a mandate to produce shakespeare, monkeys will merely throw poop.

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    The Magic M August 12, 2011 at 6:42 am #

    DP: In general, these people are not motivated by factual analysis. They are motivated by an emotional need. In this case, it is simply emotionally unacceptable to them that Obama can be a legitimate President who will show up on all the lists forevermore. They go down with this birther stuff because it answers that need–Obama is illegitimate, he isn’t actually on that list.

    German poet Christian Morgenstern wrote about that state of mind – his “weil nicht sein kann, was nicht sein darf” (“that which must not be, cannot be”) has become a common figure of speech in German.

    http://www.christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/index.php?title=Die_unm%C3%B6gliche_Tatsache (includes English translation)

    Cranks are stuck in their fictional computer-like world, frantically looking for the “undo” button.
    But that only reflects the deeper underlying motivation – their fear of things they’re not in control of. That’s what drives every conspiracy theorist (and most religions), their deep emotional need for the existence of a human-based entity that is able to control everything.

  15. avatar
    Keith August 12, 2011 at 9:11 am #

    I am reminded of this passage from Stargate SG-1 Season 9 Episode 11 (The Fourth Horsemen Part 2):

    EXT—VILLAGE, SODAN HOMEWORLD, DAY

    [Keeping an eye on the now unburied device, which sits on a pedestal on the perimeter of the circle, a member of SG-22 keys the remote and puts his hand to his holstered sidearm. The Prior awakens, and immediately notices a bruise on the inner side of his arm. He looks confused.]

    DANIEL
    Yeah, we took the liberty of borrowing a sample of your blood. Hope you don’t mind.

    [The Prior stands and notices Daniel and Mitchell standing at the outer edge of the competition circle. Mitchell casually holds the Prior’s staff.]

    MITCHELL
    (tossing staff from hand to hand)
    You looking for this?

    [The Prior reaches out. Mitchell fakes the staff being released from his grasp. SG-22 and the Sodan raise their weapons.]

    MITCHELL
    Whoa!
    (Mitchell pulls the staff back confidently.)
    No. That’s not going to work.

    [The Prior looks very confused.]

    DANIEL
    That warm, fuzzy feeling you’re experiencing may be the effects of a device that inhibiting your ability to concentrate and focus your powers.

    MITCHELL
    Symptoms may include dizziness, irritability…

    DANIEL
    Nausea.

    MITCHELL
    Mild nausea, and a condition known as hot dog fingers.

    [Mitchell waggles his fingers in demonstration.]

    PRIOR
    It makes no difference what you do to me. But know this, the Ori are all seeing.

    [Mitchell and Daniel look at the sky in false expectation. Haikon and Jolan look at each other and shake their heads.]

    PRIOR
    They are already aware of this affront to their eminence, and shall strike down those who dare to defy them.

    MITCHELL
    Nothing yet. You?

    DANIEL
    Drawing a blank.

    [The Prior watches them incredulously.]

    DANIEL
    A little thirsty.

    MITCHELL
    That doesn’t count.

    DANIEL
    No, it doesn’t.

    PRIOR
    Their ways are not so easily divined. Their ways are unseen and veiled in mystery.

    DANIEL
    Right, right, they “have a plan.”
    (Mitchell makes quote marks with his fingers on Daniel’s behalf)
    I don’t suppose you want to tell us what that is? Why’d they send you to this galaxy in the first place?

    PRIOR
    We are beacons on the road to enlightenment.

    MITCHELL
    No, you’re dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn’t been quite upfront with you.

    DANIEL
    Nice work on the metaphor.

    MITCHELL
    Thank you.

    DANIEL
    Well, for starters, did you know that the Ori need people to worship them because that’s how they gain their power?

    [The Ori scoffs incredulously and looks around.]

    MITCHELL
    He didn’t know.

    DANIEL
    No, he didn’t know that. No, it’s true. Now, we’re not exactly sure how it works, but from what I’ve heard, they actually drain power from their followers. That’s why they need worshipers.

    [Mitchell and Jolan exchange sober looks.]

    MITCHELL
    You should talk to them about that the next time you’re home.

    DANIEL
    Yeah, they might do a better job explaining the process to you.

    PRIOR
    Ours is not question, but to rejoice in their service, for they are perfection.

    DANIEL
    No, not really, because a perfect being wouldn’t need to lie to ensure the loyalty of their followers. They wouldn’t need to promise you ascension if they had no intention of delivering it.

    PRIOR
    (nonplused)
    “Those who follow the path of righteousness shall be raised up high.”

    MITCHELL
    No, they won’t. Because the Ori do not share power.
    (He leans forward)
    They’re using you.

    PRIOR
    “Pity not the blind man, for he is hindered not by the visions of this world, but rather pity yourselves…”

    [Mitchell starts to turn away.]

    MITCHELL
    (low, to Daniel)
    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    PRIOR
    (without confidence)
    …for he shall see the light before you.”

    MITCHELL
    (calling back to his team)
    I’m going to get something to eat.

  16. avatar
    Keith August 12, 2011 at 9:15 am #

    I meant to put this part in bold:


    DANIEL
    Well, for starters, did you know that the Ori need people to worship them because that’s how they gain their power?

    [The Ori scoffs incredulously and looks around.]

    MITCHELL
    He didn’t know.

    DANIEL

    No, he didn’t know that. No, it’s true. Now, we’re not exactly sure how it works, but from what I’ve heard, they actually drain power from their followers. That’s why they need worshipers.

    [Mitchell and Jolan exchange sober looks.]

    MITCHELL
    You should talk to them about that the next time you’re home.

    DANIEL
    Yeah, they might do a better job explaining the process to you.


    PRIOR
    Ours is not question, but to rejoice in their service, for they are perfection.

    DANIEL
    No, not really, because a perfect being wouldn’t need to lie to ensure the loyalty of their followers. They wouldn’t need to promise you ascension if they had no intention of delivering it.

  17. avatar
    The Magic M August 12, 2011 at 11:28 am #

    I’d have put this part in bold, too:

    “No, you’re dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn’t been quite upfront with you.”

    Nice find. 🙂

  18. avatar
    Bovril August 12, 2011 at 10:49 pm #

    Oh NOZES………The Birfoons haz found out and interviewed the miscreants of “Operation Barry”…!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlFV6lgBS1s&feature=player_embedded

    (h/t to Mimi of the Fogbow………)

  19. avatar
    Northland10 August 13, 2011 at 10:08 am #

    WND’s lawyer Klayman also received sanctions (not directly financial) this week in Klayman v. Judicial Watch.

    https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2006cv0670-362

    The DC Federal Court may be down for a while this weekend, so it is possible the link will not work briefly.

  20. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 14, 2011 at 9:59 pm #

    Profound.

    J. Edward Tremlett: world net daily: proof that, given typewriters and a mandate to produce shakespeare, monkeys will merely throw poop.

  21. avatar
    Keith August 15, 2011 at 3:34 am #

    The Magic M:
    I’d have put this part in bold, too:

    “No, you’re dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn’t been quite upfront with you.”

    Nice find.

    That episode happened to be on TV while I was reading the thread. The synchronicity was interesting, I thought.