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    Sean September 21, 2011 at 5:03 am #

    Did you know a Black man invented the gas mask?

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    Pastor Charmley September 21, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    That’s something of an oversimplification. A number of people independently invented various forms of gas mask, one of whom was indeed an African-American ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_mask ).

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    Pastor Charmley September 21, 2011 at 6:39 am #

    On birtherism, is not this another example of the fact that politics is becoming less about policies and more about persons? Let’s face it, there are many people who do not understand the sort of economic policies that are front and centre in party platforms at this present time (and I will confess to being one of them!). It takes time and effort to read a party or personal manifesto and think it through.

    Hence the quick and easy method of dealing with someone you do not like but cannot express why others should not vote for him – he’s evil. Not just ‘bad for the country’, but morally evil. We see this jump all too often today, even in those who should know better. British PM Tony Blair has been criticised for making this leap mentally as concerned his political opponents.

    And of course we have all encountered it over and over on the internet if we engage in any sort of public forum. As a moderate evangelical Christian I lose count of the number of times I have been denounced as evil by Fundamentalists for not agreeing with them.

    Folks, people may honestly disagree with you. Remember that. A man may be factually wrong without being morally evil.

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    Sean September 21, 2011 at 7:22 am #

    OH YEAH? Well the super soaker was invented by a Black man.

    Pastor Charmley:
    That’s something of an oversimplification. A number of people independently invented various forms of gas mask, one of whom was indeed an African-American ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_mask ).

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    Tarrant September 21, 2011 at 7:48 am #

    So I’m sure people have seen Sheriff Joe’s appointment of a posse to look into the birth certificate issue. The thing I find hilarious is a recent interview with the Sheriff where he says that an investigation into this issue could take “Up to five years to complete”.

    Five years! I love it. Reading ORYR the wails of anguish are so loud you can almost hear them through the computer screen.

    It seems clear to me that the Sheriff is simply pulling a Trump – he’s toying with the birthers for political or personal gain, stringing them along by giving them tidbits of what they want to hear but never actually committing to anything. And eventually he’ll either drop them or they’ll get frustrated and move on to some other Great White (emphasis white) Hope.

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    Majority Will September 21, 2011 at 8:47 am #

    Tarrant: And eventually he’ll either drop them or they’ll get frustrated and move on to some other Great White (emphasis white) Hope.

    Birther Chuck Norris.

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    Bovril September 21, 2011 at 9:03 am #

    Whilst I agree, in broad brush strokes, with Pastor Charmley about not labelling dissent with “evil”, it needs context.

    Disagreeing about, say, the economic paths of the Democrats and Republicans is one matter.

    Calling for the summary execution of the elected President and his family, demands for a military coup against the lawfully elected government, deliberate lies with the intent to incite same etc ARE by their nature “evil”

    I tend to the views of the psychiatrist M Scott Peck and his definitions

    According to Peck, an evil person:[11][12]

    Is consistently self-deceiving, with the intent of avoiding guilt and maintaining a self-image of perfection

    Deceives others as a consequence of their own self-deception

    Projects his or her evils and sins onto very specific targets, scapegoating others while appearing normal with everyone else (“their insensitivity toward him was selective”)

    Commonly hates with the pretense of love, for the purposes of self-deception as much as deception of others

    Abuses political (emotional) power (“the imposition of one’s will upon others by overt or covert coercion”)

    Maintains a high level of respectability and lies incessantly in order to do so
    Is consistent in his or her sins. Evil persons are characterized not so much by the magnitude of their sins, but by their consistency (of destructiveness)

    Is unable to think from the viewpoint of their victim

    Has a covert intolerance to criticism and other forms of narcissistic injury

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    john September 21, 2011 at 9:24 am #

    Here is another great recount of Dean and Miki’s trip to Hawaii. http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/21/what-are-you-hiding-honolulu/
    It’s quite clear that Kapaoloni and DOH are definitely involved in a the coverup. When Dean and Miki returns in a month, I heard Miki will pull out her trump card when she visits DOH again by addressing the smiley face in Alvin Onaka’s signature on Obama’s birth certificate.

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    ASK Esq September 21, 2011 at 10:07 am #

    Anyone know what happened to the BC thread over at Hannity? I enjoyed reading it. As one of the few birther-dominated discussions that allowed people with facts to post, it was a good place to view birther spin in its native environment.

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    Thrifty September 21, 2011 at 12:18 pm #

    Hmmm….. Is it okay to post things that are completely unrelated to Birtherism? I’ve got a question about my favorite movie, One Hour Photo, and I’ve been searching for the meaning of it for years. Doc, I guess you can delete this if you find it too inappropriate, but I hope you’ll grant me this indulgence.

    So there’s a scene in the movie where Robin Williams’ character Sy Parish is fired from his job at the photo lab when it’s discovered he’s been stealing prints. There’s a dialogue about the reasons that is not explained in the movie or the commentary. Maybe one of the brilliant minds here will be able to explain it.

    Bill: Sy, there’s been some discrepancies in the click count.
    Sy: Oh, well, that’s probably Yoshi. You know, his math skills are pretty weak… but I told you about that when you moved him over from audio.
    Bill: No, all the discrepancies are on the logs that you initialed.
    Sy: They are?
    Bill: Yeah.
    Sy: Oh. l, you know… I guess sometimes the end of the week you get a little tired–
    Bill: We’re not talking about a few innocent math errors, Sy. The net clicks all zero out. They always zero out. The problem is, Sy, that the
    shutdown clicks don’t correspond at all. I mean, they don’t even come close to matching the amount of prints that we sold.
    Sy: Well, then, it’s probably a problem with the reorder counter.
    Bill: Well, I asked Larry about that.
    Sy: What did he say?
    Bill: Well, he looked at the counter and said that it checked out. He also said that in 14 years of servicing… he’s never seen a faulty counter on an
    AGFA unit.
    Sy: Really?
    Bill: So the question is, Sy… where did all those unaccounted for prints go?
    Sy: Well, what kind of discrepancy are we talking about, Bill?
    Bill: We’re talking about hundreds of prints, Sy.
    Sy: Oh! That’s not possible, Bill.
    Bill: Oh, no. I’ve done the math… and the P.O.s confirm it, too.
    Sy: Well, I don’t know anything about it.
    Biill: Oh, I think you do, Sy.
    Sy: Well, I don’t, Bill.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 21, 2011 at 1:28 pm #

    When I read Peck’s definition list of characteristics, I was immediately reminded of another label: psychopath.

    I don’t doubt that there are some evil people among the birthers or behind the birthers, but I don’t know that I am prepared to point to any particular birther and say that they are a psychopath or an essentially evil person.

    Someone might want to put a candidate forward that we can discuss.

    Bovril:
    Whilst I agree, in broad brush strokes, with Pastor Charmley about not labeling dissent with “evil”, it needs context.

    I tend to the views of the psychiatrist M Scott Peck and his definitions

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    John September 21, 2011 at 1:38 pm #

    ASK Esq:
    Anyone know what happened to the BC thread over at Hannity? I enjoyed reading it. As one of the few birther-dominated discussions that allowed people with facts to post, it was a good place to view birther spin in its native environment.

    Yes, that thread and three other unrelated ones had gotten so big, they were degrading the entire forum\board software. They deleted and started a new one. Same cast of Characters, including me…. Same entertainment value, high.

    John

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    John September 21, 2011 at 1:40 pm #

    Sorry, I should have used a different name, I’m NOT the “john” that has been posting here and that has posted in this thread before my Hannity BC thread post.

    Sorry for any confusion

    Not birfer John

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    BF September 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm #

    truTV weighs in:

    http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/government-lies/obama/gallery.html

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    Bovril September 21, 2011 at 2:26 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: When I read Peck’s definition list of characteristics, I was immediately reminded of another label: psychopath.
    I don’t doubt that there are some evil people among the birthers or behind the birthers, but I don’t know that I am prepared to point to any particular birther and say that they are a psychopath or an essentially evil person.
    Someone might want to put a candidate forward that we can discuss.

    Orly
    Corsi
    Farah
    Dr Kate

    From Freeperville I would nominate “RedSteel” as an exempler

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    Daniel September 21, 2011 at 2:34 pm #

    John:
    Sorry, I should have used a different name, I’m NOT the “john” that has been posting here and that has posted in this thread before my Hannity BC thread post.

    Sorry for any confusion

    Not birfer John

    That’s OK. We pretty much figured out from the moment you started making sense that you wren’t “birther john”.

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    richCares September 21, 2011 at 2:41 pm #

    john says “It’s quite clear that Kapaoloni and DOH are definitely involved in a the coverup. When Dean and Miki returns in a month, I heard Miki will pull out her trump card when she visits DOH again by addressing the smiley face in Alvin Onaka’s signature on Obama’s birth certificate”
    .
    I called the FBI to report this, on hearing my complaint they started laughing and then hung up on me! What do I do next john?

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    Majority Will September 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I don’t doubt that there are some evil people among the birthers or behind the birthers, but I don’t know that I am prepared to point to any particular birther and say that they are a psychopath or an essentially evil person.

    James von Brunn

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    Arthur September 21, 2011 at 2:49 pm #

    john: Here is another great recount of Dean and Miki’s trip to Hawaii. http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/21/what-are-you-hiding- .

    Hey, thanks for the link john. I was interested in the comments people left, especially this one, since it so powerfully illustrates the moral sickness of portraying people who disagree with you as intractably evil: “The Democrat Party is totally worthless, corrupt, evil, and 100% infiltrated by mujahideen, progressive liberal, socialist-communist traitors – so if you don’t want to see America become exactly like Somalia – Then Vote Republican”

    Repulsive, isn’t it?

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    Critical Thinker September 21, 2011 at 3:04 pm #

    I once saw a very funny post by a moderator of the birfer thread of Hannity’s forum. It went something like this, “We mods are tired of getting whiney messages from posters on the birther thread complaining that other forum members are being mean to them. If you’re going to be a conspiracy theorist, people are going to make fun of you. Get used to it or give up the birther nonsense.”

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    G September 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm #

    LMAO! Priceless!

    Critical Thinker: I once saw a very funny post by a moderator of the birfer thread of Hannity’s forum. It went something like this, “We mods are tired of getting whiney messages from posters on the birther thread complaining that other forum members are being mean to them. If you’re going to be a conspiracy theorist, people are going to make fun of you. Get used to it or give up the birther nonsense.”

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    Joey September 21, 2011 at 3:56 pm #

    Did Birfer John really say that Miki Booth has a TRUMP card! πŸ˜‰
    “I’ve got investigators in Hawaii and they can’t BELIEVE what they are finding!”

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    Paul September 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm #

    Interesting conspiratorial note…

    Oily Taint has a post up titled “I will be on Knews 94.3 FM Palm Springs at 3:30”.

    The first response is from someone named “Dallas Erickson”, who writes:

    “Maybe the only way to get Obama out is to play a game of chess. Start out getting the pawns and work you way up. The way it’s been going for you is trying to get a checkmate with out moving any pawns or pieces. The rest will follow into play.Just a thought.I have written my congressman and governor and received no response and even considering joining the militia in my home state.I am a father of six children and served my country when I was 17. I believe in what you are doing and never give up or be corrupted or be persuaded by them to give up. Give them hell and show them no mercy until the truth and justice is served.”

    I noted in my response that I have read that exact same comment before on her site, and I asked her “What are you doing, Oily? Posting comments to your own posts under different names, and you’re running out of material?”

    SHE DELETED IT! I mean, usually she just leaves my comments up with a note saying “Comment is Awaiting Moderation”, and they never get posted, but this one she actually deleted!!!

    Hmmmm… I smell … I smell a…

    Oh hell, I just smell Oily Taint.

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    obsolete September 21, 2011 at 4:54 pm #

    Hilarious, Birther John!

    Nixon- brought down by a “third-rate” burglary.
    Obama- brought down by a smiley face!

    I can just imagine the future History Channel documentaries-

    “And yet, even after being ridiculed, birthers never gave up- knowing that the “smiley face” was the key to the biggest conspiracy in human history”

    Birther Hero John (being interviewed in front of the D.C. Birther Memorial Monument): I was happy to turn State’s evidence against all of the corrupt Obots on internet sites like Doctor Conspiracy’s. They laughed for years, but now all those paid shrills have a lifetime in prison to regret it”

    “Indeed. After the Usurper President Obama fled to somewhere near the Chinese border, new Attorney General Taitz prosecuted tens-of-thousands of Obama supporters for Misprision of Felony.”

    Any day now, Birther John…

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    Critical Thinker September 21, 2011 at 7:52 pm #

    I hope birfers don’t let Sheriff Joe off the hook as easily as they let Trump off the hook. When the Sheriff’s investigation doesn’t go anywhere, I hope they call and write and bitch and moan until he is forced to make a deliberate public statement why he is not taking any birfer-related action.

    Joey:
    Did Birfer John really say that Miki Booth has a TRUMP card!
    “I’ve got investigators in Hawaii and they can’t BELIEVE what they are finding!”

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    Joey September 21, 2011 at 9:07 pm #

    Birfer Summit Czar Dean Haskins has a new whine up on (Com)Post & E-fail:
    “What Are You Hiding, Honolulu?”
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/21/what-are-you-hiding-honolulu/

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 21, 2011 at 9:08 pm #

    I need to add Dean to my prayer list.

    Joey: Birfer Summit Czar Dean Haskins has a new whine up on (Com)Post & E-fail:
    “What Are You Hiding, Honolulu?”

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    SluggoJD September 21, 2011 at 11:33 pm #

    john:
    Here is another great recount of Dean and Miki’s trip to Hawaii.http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/21/what-are-you-hiding-honolulu/
    It’s quite clear that Kapaoloni and DOH are definitely involved in a the coverup.When Dean and Miki returns in a month, I heard Miki will pull out her trump card when she visits DOH again by addressing the smiley face in Alvin Onaka’s signature on Obama’s birth certificate.

    The Pope, Miley Cyrus, Brad Pitt, John Lennon, and Bob Hope are also involved in the coverup!

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    Majority Will September 22, 2011 at 4:16 am #

    “There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.

    You built a factory out there—good for you! But I want to be clear.

    You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for.

    You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate.

    You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for.

    You didn’t have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.

    Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea—God bless. Keep a big hunk of it.

    But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

    – Elizabeth Warren

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    The Magic M September 22, 2011 at 9:57 am #

    obsolete: After the Usurper President Obama fled to somewhere near the Chinese border, new Attorney General Taitz prosecuted tens-of-thousands of Obama supporters for Misprision of Felony.

    YMMD. πŸ˜‰

    Though the actual commentary would probably go something like this:

    “By the deadline of December 14th, 2011, more than 85% of the former Obama voters had taken up the AG’s offer of sending a written apology and pledge of allegiance to the Birthers’ Republic of America, renouncing Marxismfor good.
    Those who refused or weren’t eligible for amnesty for actively campaigning for the ousted usurper, or being Muslims, or both, were rounded up in Outer Guantanamo Bay (formerly known as Chicago, IL) before being deported to Kenya.
    US President Joe Arpaio, who personally delivered Prisoner #000001, Donald Trump, to the lower decks of the USS “Spirit of Donofrio”, called it “a good day to set sails, baby”.
    An attempt of Kenya to be accepted as 50th state of the union (replacing Hawaii after its exclusion in November 2011) and have Obama be retroactively declared a natural born citizen failed. Vice President Corsi said “We may consider North Korea’s application, though”.

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    Thrifty September 22, 2011 at 10:06 am #

    John: Sorry, I should have used a different name, I’m NOT the “john” that has been posting here and that has posted in this thread before my Hannity BC thread post. Sorry for any confusionNot birfer John

    I would strongly suggest adding a last name (even if it is a fake one) or coming up with a completely new nickname.

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    Arthur September 22, 2011 at 10:37 am #

    Majority Will:

    Thanks for the comments from Elizabeth Warren. I agree with her argument; it’s an excellent rebuttal to libertarian politics.

  33. avatar
    Arthur September 22, 2011 at 10:53 am #

    I just read an interesting article in The Economist that identifies the world’s top-ten employers. It’s interesting to note who the real “job creators” are. A color graphic is included.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/09/employment

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    Thomas Brown September 22, 2011 at 1:29 pm #

    ” – so if you don’t want to see America become exactly like Somalia – Then Vote Republican”

    Of course, the opposite is true. If the Tea Party Extremists get their way, and shrink the Government down to where “we can drown it in the bathtub,” America WILL become Somalia.

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    Majority Will September 22, 2011 at 3:15 pm #

    “Ahmadinejad attacked the United States for it’s history of slavery, causing two world wars, using a nuclear bomb against “defenseless people,” and imposing and supporting military dictatorships and totalitarian regimes on Asian, African and Latin American nations.”

    Mixing truth, half-truths and lies . . . the same way a birther bigot argues.

    (quote source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/22/501364/main20110186.shtml)

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    Sef September 22, 2011 at 3:28 pm #

    Majority Will:
    “Ahmadinejad attacked the United States for it’s history of slavery, causing two world wars, using a nuclear bomb against “defenseless people,” and imposing and supporting military dictatorships and totalitarian regimes on Asian, African and Latin American nations.”

    Mixing truth, half-truths and lies . . . the same way a birther bigot argues.

    (quote source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/22/501364/main20110186.shtml)

    Did he take his shoe off and pound on the table?

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    obsolete September 22, 2011 at 4:12 pm #

    The Magic M: US President Joe Arpaio, who personally delivered Prisoner #000001, Donald Trump, to the lower decks of the USS “Spirit of Donofrio”, called it “a good day to set sails, baby”.

    Pretty good stuff! πŸ™‚

    Here are a couple of interesting articles:
    Exclusive: Now, ‘birthers’ have eye on Marco Rubio
    Is he ‘natural born?’ A debate has begun
    http://www.news-press.com/article/20110920/NEWS0107/110918016/Exclusive-Now-birthers-eye-Marco-Rubio?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

    and

    Marco Rubio Under Fire From Birthers Who Don’t Believe He’s a “Natural Born Citizen”
    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/09/marco_rubio_under_fire_from_bi.php

    The Money Quote:
    “There’s no serious question because he was born in the USA. Any contrary argument is birther-like silliness,” Daniel Takaji, a law professor at Ohio State University, tells the paper. “His parents’ immigration status is irrelevant to his U.S. citizenship under the 14th [Amendment].”

    Sounds like “Quote of the Day” material to me, Doc C!

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    Daniel September 22, 2011 at 10:06 pm #

    So wasn’t today supposed to be the day Orly had all her supposed meeting with impo’tant people on the hill?

    I haven’t heard any wailing and gnashing of teeth yet.

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    GeorgetownJD September 22, 2011 at 10:36 pm #

    Daniel:
    So wasn’t today supposed to be the day Orly had all her supposed meeting with impo’tant people on the hill?

    I haven’t heard any wailing and gnashing of teeth yet.

    Two years ago, to much fanfare, Orly went to the Hill for a “meeting” with Sen. Jon Kyl. Except it was a short meet and greet with one of the staffers.

    Orly never mentioned it.

  40. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith September 23, 2011 at 1:46 am #

    Good evening Obotopians!

    THREE NEW CAPTIVATING BLOG REPORTS at WOBIK!

    Where in the world is Theresa Cao?

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/where-in-the-world-is-theresa-cao/

    The S.A.D. Barack Obama Kenyan Birth Story — Poem [written and directed by Bruce Steadman]

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/the-s-a-d-barack-obama-kenyan-birth-story-poem-by-bruce-steadman/

    Pretrial Conference in State vs Smith and the forged’ (according to Obotopians) North Atlantic Extradition Services document.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/obama-news/pretrial-conference-in-state-vs-smith-and-the-forged-according-to-obotopians-north-atlantic-extradition-services-document/

    Please read, share andο»Ώ comment!

    Thank you!

    Respectfully,

    Lucas Daniel Smith
    319-804-0440

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    Black Lion September 23, 2011 at 7:47 am #

    Marco Rubio Under Fire From Birthers Who Don’t Believe He’s a “Natural Born Citizen”

    Believe it or not, the right wing is targeting Republican Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a rumored vice presidential contender. They argue he is ineligible for the job because his Cuban parents weren’t U.S. citizens when he was born in Miami in 1971.

    It is the same argument of twisted logic and handpicked history the so-called birther fringe has been throwing at Barack Obama since his presidential candidacy began.

    Here’s how blogger “Obama Release Your Records” sees it in a post he wrote three weeks ago:

    Marco Rubio is not now and never can be a Natural Born Citizen because his parents were not citizens at the time he was born … The main stream media and news organizations all across the country are brazen in their attempts to subvert the Constitution. They are now completely complicit and actively engaged in undermining the rule of law by aiding and abetting a usurper to the Office of the Presidency…which is a crime.
    The problem is that few serious legal scholars believe that anyone born on U.S. soil could fail to meet the “natural born citizen” requirement in the Constitution.

    The Fort Myers News-Press rang up some professors this week to bounce the Rubio problem off them.

    “There’s no serious question because he was born in the USA. Any contrary argument is birther-like silliness,” Daniel Takaji, a law professor at Ohio State University, tells the paper. “His parents’ immigration status is irrelevant to his U.S. citizenship under the 14th [Amendment].”

    Rubio certainly has a better argument to be president than Barry Goldwater, the 1964 Republican candidate who wasn’t even born on U.S. soil. Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became an American state.

    A few scholars do want to see the Supreme Court hear arguments over someone like Rubio’s candidacy, just to stop these kinds of arguments from erupting from the birth-iest corners of the Interwebs.

    Rubio, to his credit, never gave the birthers much credence when Obama was in their crosshairs. When Donald Trump was stirring the birther masses, Rubio told the L.A. Times that he was “more concerned with issues that are happening back here on planet Earth.” Either way, the hubbub might be a nonissue for now. His spokesman tells the News-Press that birthers or not, Rubio is not interested in leaving the Senate. “He’s not going to be vice president,” spokesman Alex Burgos says.

    What does all this prove? The “birther” movement can just as easily direct its racism at Republicans as at Dems.

    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/09/marco_rubio_under_fire_from_bi.php

  42. avatar
    Majority Will September 23, 2011 at 8:27 am #

    THREE NEW CAPTIVATING BLOG REPORTS at WOBIK!

    (Desperate) spam alert.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 23, 2011 at 9:20 am #

    Lucas D. Smith: THREE NEW CAPTIVATING BLOG REPORTS at WOBIK!
    Where in the world is Theresa Cao?

    Who cares?

    Lucas D. Smith: The S.A.D. Barack Obama Kenyan Birth Story — Poem [written and directed by Bruce Steadman]

    Once again who cares? Your buddy wrote a poem wow what an accomplishment.

    Lucas D. Smith: Pretrial Conference in State vs Smith and the forged’ (according to Obotopians) North Atlantic Extradition Services document.

    Again who cares?

    So three totally uninteresting blogs.

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    Paul Pieniezny September 23, 2011 at 11:27 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Once again who cares? Your buddy wrote a poem wow what an accomplishment.

    Let me play devil’s advocate here and state that a poem is a better argument than a painting

    And a painting is a better argument than a T shirt.

    But we should make a note of every name quoted by Him, Lucas Smith.

    The list of his aliases the courts know about, is obviously wat too short

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    nbc September 23, 2011 at 2:33 pm #

    InspectorSmith has little to offer here other than a minor insight into his own trial and predicaments.

    Non-news… Who truly cares.

  46. avatar
    Daniel September 23, 2011 at 2:55 pm #

    Dear Lucas…Here’s hoping you get into one of the better prisons.

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    G September 23, 2011 at 3:05 pm #

    Greetings Lucas,

    Thank you for informing us of your lastest 3 blog posts. I read them all and will give you my feedback, from a non-birther perspective:

    1. – Theresa Cao update: Thank you for informing us on what you could find out about Cao since last anyone heard word. I learned that you had 3 months of phone conversations with her during her crazy court stunt timeframe. I also learned that nary a peep has been heard from her in Birtherland since then. Personally, I find it comforting to hear that the cacophany of crazy has been reduced by one for the time being. Other than pure entertainment value of laughing at a loon, I don’t miss her presence at all. If she remains MIA from the scene, all the more peaceful for the world, I say. I found your speculation that she is quiet under condition of her plea to be plausible and it will be interesting to see what turns up in December. I look forward to your future report on that event. Since speculation is all we have to go on, I’ll speculate that maybe she is finally getting the mental help & medication she seems to badly need.

    2. Your friend’s S.A.D. poem – I found it just sad and a bunch of offensive and unsupportable nonsense. I find it particularly disgusting when a bunch of hateful people chose to make up spurious insinuations about someone who is dead in order to denigrate their character. MIsha can explain to you why the travel part of his tale falls apart as well. In the end, it was just complete rubbish and amateurish. Also, what is the point of having a computer voice intro/ending and not have any voice over for the “poem” itself? Lame and pure juvenille offensive cr*p fiction, in my opinion.

    3. I appreciate the update on your personal court issues. However, I’m not sure what you are going on about with your claims of “obot” challenges to your transportation/arrest situation. Either you are making a poor attempt at satire that doesn’t translate well or creating a cowardly strawman argument. Which is it? If you really have been challenged by a few specific individuals on the authenticity of your arrest, then provide some actual sourced and quoted evidence and name names (or at least handles). Otherwise, it comes across as nothing but a made up and cowardly charge on your part, quite frankly. You tend to be so detailed on certain aspects of your recounts, yet when it comes to making these claims, you become suddenly obscure and obtuse in your telling… Considering that you suffer from a long-term credibility gap to overcome, you need to avoid such weaseling in your tales and cite specifics that can stand the light of scrutiny.

    Lucas D. Smith: Good evening Obotopians!THREE NEW CAPTIVATING BLOG REPORTS at WOBIK!Where in the world is Theresa Cao?http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/where-in-the-world-is-theresa-cao/The S.A.D. Barack Obama Kenyan Birth Story — Poem [written and directed by Bruce Steadman]http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/the-s-a-d-barack-obama-kenyan-birth-story-poem-by-bruce-steadman/Pretrial Conference in State vs Smith and the forged’ (according to Obotopians) North Atlantic Extradition Services document.http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/obama-news/pretrial-conference-in-state-vs-smith-and-the-forged-according-to-obotopians-north-atlantic-extradition-services-document/Please read, share andο»Ώ comment!Thank you!Respectfully,Lucas Daniel Smith319-804-0440

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    G September 23, 2011 at 3:24 pm #

    Walt Fitzpatrick may be back in jail:

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=18754#more-18754

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    Obsolete September 23, 2011 at 3:46 pm #

    Is He, Lucas, next for the hoosegow?

    Posted at his site “wasobamaborninkenya” (no, he wasn’t) in response to his article where he theorizes that Cao has been silenced by the courts in her anti-Obama efforts:

    “So she is a sell-out who cares more for her own hide than she dies for our great country. Typical.

    Of course, I would hope she is just getting treatment for her obvious mental illness, which you should not be encouraging and egging on.”

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    Rickey September 23, 2011 at 5:03 pm #

    G:
    Walt Fitzpatrick may be back in jail:

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=18754#more-18754

    Confirmed. I partially redacted his date of birth.

    Offender Name: WALTER FRANCIS FITZPATRICK
    Offender ID: 84215
    Date of Birth: xx/xx/1952
    Age: 59
    Race: White
    Gender: Male

    Custody Status: In Custody
    Location of Offender: Monroe County Sheriff’s Office

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    Arthur September 23, 2011 at 6:43 pm #

    Re: Cao/Fitzpatrick

    Of Theresa–two words: crazy/HOT. Those wings she wears from Walmart’s Christmas Angel collection make her a real BILFF: Birther I’d like to Friend on Facebook.

    As for Walt Fitzpatrick, I know of a community theatre doing “Dr. Strangelove” that is still looking for someone to play Major T. J. Kong. Wonder if he can get work-release?

  52. avatar
    Daniel September 23, 2011 at 9:21 pm #

    This just in from Orly’s site. I havn’t seen the doc she’s referring to, but she appears to be a bit miffed about it. ROFLMAO…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    US Department of Injustice: having a criminal with a stolen Social Security number-is not an extraordinary circumstance, Obama’s right to privacy to use a stolen SSN supercedes the right of 311 million American citizens to know, if we have a legitimate President and have a fraud and a criminal removed from the WH.

    Posted on | September 23, 2011 | No Comments

    Taitz v Astrue opposition to motion for reconsideration

    Please, forward my motion for reconsideration with all the exhibits and the response from the Department of Injustice to every congressman and demand they write letters to chairmen and ranking members of House and Senate Judiciary committees and subcommittees on privacy and demand to invite me to the committee hearings and testify on ObamaForgeryGate and ObamaSSNfraudGate and subpoena records,subpoena attendance of Judge Lamberth, Judge Puglisi, judge Nishimura, Judge Clay D. Land, commissioner Astrue, director of Health Fuddy, registrar Onaka an demand answers from all of them. This is complete lawlessness, this is worse than the Soviet Union, Libya and Iran taken together. This answer from the Department of Justice de facto tells every American citizen: “You are nothing but a dumb slave, we can do absolutely everything and anything to you”. I hope every American citizen is livid and up in arms in the face of this flagrant injustice and flagrant abdication of the most basic constitutional rights of the US citizens.

    Please, forward to me copies of your letters to your representatives and senators. Please, follow up with the phone calls to their home and DC offices, please visit their offices and don’t get off the phone and don’t get out of the office until you get an answer, and don’t take no for an answer. Call Eric Holder, Robert Mueller, your state Attorney Generals, Sheriffs and Governors. This outrage has to end now.

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    Daniel September 23, 2011 at 9:22 pm #

    Here’s the link if you wnat it but I do NOT RECOMMEND you go to ORLY’s site without some very, very good malware protection.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=25844

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    G September 23, 2011 at 11:12 pm #

    It just amazes me how that crazed and lazy Prima Donna doesn’t do anything herself and instead fires off constant demands to her slavish flying monkey followers to do all of her work for her. She truly has gilded delusions of grandeur. Of course, the bigger fools are those foolish and pathetic enough to do her bidding.

    Daniel: Please, forward to me copies of your letters to your representatives and senators. Please, follow up with the phone calls to their home and DC offices, please visit their offices and don’t get off the phone and don’t get out of the office until you get an answer, and don’t take no for an answer. Call Eric Holder, Robert Mueller, your state Attorney Generals, Sheriffs and Governors. This outrage has to end now.

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    Steve September 23, 2011 at 11:37 pm #

    Occasionally, I listen to Michael Savage’s show (I guess I’m a glutton for punishment) and I’ve noticed he doesn’t talk about liberals as much anymore as he talks about communists and Marxists.
    There’s a regular caller named “Jimmy from Brooklyn” who also seems to have the same unhealthy obessions with communism. Everyone to the left of him is a communist. The most benign, apolitical organizations are communist front groups, etc.
    As best I can tell, Jimmy and Savage are probably about the same age. They both grew up in New York around the same time, in the 50s and early 60s. Is there anything about growing up in that particular place and time in history that could lead to that sort of obsession with communism?

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    Arthur September 24, 2011 at 12:34 am #

    Steve:
    Occasionally, I listen to Michael Savage’s show (I guess I’m a glutton for punishment) and I’ve noticed he doesn’t talk about liberals as much anymore as he talks about communists and Marxists.
    There’s a regular caller named “Jimmy from Brooklyn” who also seems to have the same unhealthy obessions with communism. Everyone to the left of him is a communist. The most benign, apolitical organizations are communist front groups, etc.
    As best I can tell, Jimmy and Savage are probably about the same age. They both grew up in New York around the same time, in the 50s and early 60s. Is there anything about growing up in that particular place and time in history that could lead to that sort of obsession with communism?

    The little I know about Michael Savage is that until about 1980 he was a fairly liberally- minded fellow who, in the the late ’60s, moved from New York to the West Coast where he earned advanced degrees in biology and nutrition and developed friendly relationships with counter-culture figures like Timothy Leary and Allen Ginsburg. His politics began to shift to the right in the 1980s, and he began his radio career in the 1990s. He’s one of the most hateful, ill-tempered little s.o.b.’s I’ve ever had the misfortune to listen to.

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    nbc September 24, 2011 at 1:00 am #

    Astrue will remain dismissed and the HI will unravel. Another typical day in the life of Orly…

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    nbc September 24, 2011 at 1:03 am #

    Orly, as usual, fails to understand the meaning of extraordinary circumstance as well as public interest. When it comes to issues of law she is such an incompetent nincompoop (my apologies to nincompoops). She believes that there is public interest when the public shows that it is interested… I kid you not…

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    nbc September 24, 2011 at 1:10 am #

    In the mean time Orly’s whirlwind tour of DC appears to have been the usual flop

    Cindy talked to some staffers

    I just talked to Aaron (very nice guy) in Senator Coburn’s office and Michael Schwartz. Per orly’s suggestion she said to call Michael and thank him for his meeting with her yesterday, so I did. Alas, Michael sorta laughed under his breath, and said , well she did drop some materials off for the Senator but that was it–all I did was take the materials , so it was not really a meeting . See I told you her definition of a meeting, was a drop by.

    Even Orly reports

    those were separate meetings. I talked to the chief of staff for West, Jonathan Blyth, (he actually was not very nice and sounded like an Obot gatekeeper, but under pressure of his constituancy he met with me) write and personally talk to West, ask him to write to Oren Hatch and Lamar Smith to invite me to speak at Senate and House Judiciary committee

    In other words, nothing of real relevance happened… The House or Senate Judiciary committees are not going to invite Orly to anything and become the joke of our Nation πŸ™‚

    Although, some of the Republicans appear to have signed on to Obama’s re-election efforts and have decided not only to destroy our Nation by failing to pass common budgets but also by showing that other than destroying our Nation and refusing to pay for disaster relief, they have nothing of value to offer.
    This ‘do nothing’ congress will provide all the ammunition President Obama needs…

    Fascinating self destructive nature.

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    Rickey September 24, 2011 at 3:28 am #

    Steve:
    Occasionally, I listen to Michael Savage’s show (I guess I’m a glutton for punishment) and I’ve noticed he doesn’t talk about liberals as much anymore as he talks about communists and Marxists.
    There’s a regular caller named “Jimmy from Brooklyn” who also seems to have the same unhealthy obessions with communism. Everyone to the left of him is a communist. The most benign, apolitical organizations are communist front groups, etc.
    As best I can tell, Jimmy and Savage are probably about the same age. They both grew up in New York around the same time, in the 50s and early 60s. Is there anything about growing up in that particular place and time in history that could lead to that sort of obsession with communism?

    I doubt that it has anything to do with place, but anyone who went to school in America in the 50s and early 60s was taught to fear Communism. The Domino Theory was the motor which ran U.S. foreign policy and was the principal justification for the Vietnam War and the Korean War.

    Movies and T.V. reinforced this – movies such as I Married a Communist, Red Scared, I Was a Communist for the FBI, etc. and TV shows such as I Led 3 Lives.

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    G September 24, 2011 at 10:05 am #

    Plus, didn’t you folks back then have “Red Scare bomb drills” repeatedly at your schools, where you basically practiced having air raid sirens go off and simply duck & cover under your desks, with your heads down?

    A pretty worthless drill, if you ask me… but I can see how that would also mess with the psyche of young minds…

    Rickey: I doubt that it has anything to do with place, but anyone who went to school in America in the 50s and early 60s was taught to fear Communism. The Domino Theory was the motor which ran U.S. foreign policy and was the principal justification for the Vietnam War and the Korean War.Movies and T.V. reinforced this – movies such as I Married a Communist, Red Scared, I Was a Communist for the FBI, etc. and TV shows such as I Led 3 Lives.

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    BatGuano September 24, 2011 at 1:51 pm #

    G:
    Plus, didn’t you folks back then have “Red Scare bomb drills” repeatedly at your schools, where you basically practiced having air raid sirens go off and simply duck & cover under your desks, with your heads down?

    my brother, born in 1960, had those. when i got to the same school 7 years later they had become “earthquake drills” ( we live in so-cal ). exact same drill.

    you’ve got me curious now to compare how communism was taught thru out the cold war. i don’t remember much of the “red menace” being taught in school ( i was the first generation raised with “seseme street” so…….. we were into the whole huggy-feely accepting differences thing ).

  63. avatar
    GeorgetownJD September 24, 2011 at 3:32 pm #

    Daniel:
    Dear Lucas…Here’s hoping you get into one of the better prisons.

    Yes, the one at Picacho is supposed to be nice.

  64. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith September 24, 2011 at 7:59 pm #

    G: Greetings Lucas,Thank you for informing us of your lastest 3 blog posts. I read them all and will give you my feedback, from a non-birther perspective:1. – Theresa Cao update: Thank you for informing us on what you could find out about Cao since last anyone heard word. I learned that you had 3 months of phone conversations with her during her crazy court stunt timeframe. I also learned that nary a peep has been heard from her in Birtherland since then. Personally, I find it comforting to hear that the cacophany of crazy has been reduced by one for the time being. Other than pure entertainment value of laughing at a loon, I don’t miss her presence at all. If she remains MIA from the scene, all the more peaceful for the world, I say. I found your speculation that she is quiet under condition of her plea to be plausible and it will be interesting to see what turns up in December. I look forward to your future report on that event. Since speculation is all we have to go on, I’ll speculate that maybe she is finally getting the mental help & medication she seems to badly need.2. Your friend’s S.A.D. poem – I found it just sad and a bunch of offensive and unsupportable nonsense. I find it particularly disgusting when a bunch of hateful people chose to make up spurious insinuations about someone who is dead in order to denigrate their character. MIsha can explain to you why the travel part of his tale falls apart as well. In the end, it was just complete rubbish and amateurish. Also, what is the point of having a computer voice intro/ending and not have any voice over for the “poem” itself? Lame and pure juvenille offensive cr*p fiction, in my opinion.3. I appreciate the update on your personal court issues. However, I’m not sure what you are going on about with your claims of “obot” challenges to your transportation/arrest situation. Either you are making a poor attempt at satire that doesn’t translate well or creating a cowardly strawman argument. Which is it? If you really have been challenged by a few specific individuals on the authenticity of your arrest, then provide some actual sourced and quoted evidence and name names (or at least handles). Otherwise, it comes across as nothing but a made up and cowardly charge on your part, quite frankly. You tend to be so detailed on certain aspects of your recounts, yet when it comes to making these claims, you become suddenly obscure and obtuse in your telling… Considering that you suffer from a long-term credibility gap to overcome, you need to avoid such weaseling in your tales and cite specifics that can stand the light of scrutiny.

    Hi, G.

    Thank you for your feedback on my three recent WOBIK blog reports.

    Yes, the part about the Obot challenge to the North Atlantic Extradition Services prisoner transport fees document was/is purely SATIRE.

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    Rickey September 24, 2011 at 8:37 pm #

    G:
    Plus, didn’t you folks back then have “Red Scare bomb drills” repeatedly at your schools, where you basically practiced having air raid sirens go off and simply duck & cover under your desks, with your heads down?

    A pretty worthless drill, if you ask me… but I can see how that would also mess with the psyche of young minds…

    We just called them air raid drills. A couple of the kids I went to school with had fallout shelters which their fathers built or had built. There is a subdivision in Colorado which was developed in the fifties where a fallout shelter came with each new home.

    Remember, this was when Khrushchev pounded his shoe on a desk at the U.N. and announced “We Will Bury You.” Then there was the Cuban Missile Crisis – the Communist threat seemed very real.

    It’s out of print now, but there is an interesting book called “Red Scared” which does an entertaining job of showing how the fear of Communism affected U.S. culture in the fifties and sixties.

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    Keith September 24, 2011 at 9:27 pm #

    Tucson was ringed with Titan missile bases, and of course Fort Huachuca is/was the number two military communications center after Cheyenne Mountain or something. We most definitely had ‘duck and cover’ drills.

    There was a magazine article, I think it was in Parade magazine one Sunday, that pointed out that Tucson would be the number three target in the continental USA. We would be saturation nuked back to the Pliocene. My next door neighbors were all packed up and ready to hit the road during the Cuban Missile Crises, but they couldn’t decide where to go.

    Nobody in Tucson payed much attention to the ‘duck and cover’ drills after that. By the time I was in High School, the Chemistry teacher had a duck and cover poster on the inside of the supplies cabinet instructing us to ‘drop to the floor, get to cover under a desk, hold on to the desk leg, keep your head between your knees, and kiss your ass goodbye.

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    G September 24, 2011 at 10:03 pm #

    Thanks for all those examples, guys! I was born in 1971. The only drills we had here in Ohio during my youth were tornado drills…some similarities, except the tornado trill procedure was appropriate & useful (in orderly fashion, get into lower hallways in the center of the building with no windows, press against the wall while sitting indian style with head down & hands locked, covering the back of the neck).

    Communism still existed during most of my youth, but no drills. For my generation, the stories of the “red scare” & fallout shelters were tales from our parents. “Commies” were the bogeyman, but more in terms of the defacto villain in just about every movie and they felt more like comic book villains or simply our competition for supremecy (think Ivan Drago in Rocky IV). Yeah, you had the movie Red Dawn too….but other than that there really wasn’t that series a fear in my generation of “Commies”. If anything, the biggest influence was feeling for the people stuck over there and songs such as Sting’s “Russians” (“Russians love their children too) really struck a chord. There was a lot of happiness when the Wall fell & “glasnost” occurred. I know quite a few missionary friends who ended up bringing back Russian brides and the Russians I met that came hear around that time absolutely loved everything about America.

  68. avatar
    G September 24, 2011 at 10:15 pm #

    Appreciate the clarification, thanks.

    Lucas D. Smith: Hi, G.
    Thank you for your feedback on my three recent WOBIK blog reports.
    Yes, the part about the Obot challenge to the North Atlantic Extradition Services prisoner transport fees document was/is purely SATIRE.

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    charo September 25, 2011 at 12:18 am #

    G: sitting indian style

    You sit “crisscross applesauce” now. PC rules for kids. I learned that from my daughter 5 years ago when she was in preschool.

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    G September 25, 2011 at 1:18 am #

    LOL! Didn’t know that. For some reason, reminds me of the old “hot cross buns” jingaling they used to have us sing as kids….

    charo: You sit “crisscross applesauce” now. PC rules for kids. I learned that from my daughter 5 years ago when she was in preschool.

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    Keith September 25, 2011 at 4:57 am #

    G: Communism still existed during most of my youth, but no drills. For my generation, the stories of the “red scare” & fallout shelters were tales from our parents. “Commies” were the bogeyman, but more in terms of the defacto villain in just about every movie

    Of course the height of the ‘Red Scare’ was Joe McCarthy’s hearings in the House Committee on UnAmerican activities. Joe was brought down by his own hubris, exposed by an investigation that examined his interference with the Army in favor of a friend (Late in the hearings, Senator Stuart Symington made an angry and prophetic remark to McCarthy: “The American people have had a look at you for six weeks,” he said. “You are not fooling anyone.”) and by a couple of Edward R. Murrow’s ‘See It Now’ program where Murrow essentially let McCarthy shoot himself in the foot with his own words, then editorialized:

    His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men. […]

    We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn’t create this situation of fear; he merely exploited it—and rather successfully.

    Journalists like Edward R. Murrow are sorely missed in today’s media.

    Reviewing the McCarthy story-line arc for this post on Wikipedia I was reminded yet again by the amazing correspondence between the McCarthy style Communism scare and the current demonization of Islam and the Birther’s/Truthers/Tea Partier’s attack on honest Government employees. We don’t have the House CUnAA but we do have Bachman, Palin, Perry, Brietbart, Beck, and Dr. Khate.

    We really really need another Edward R. Murrow or two to step up to the plate.

    Good night and good luck.

  72. avatar
    Northland10 September 25, 2011 at 7:22 am #

    Keith quoting Edward R. Murrow: We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men.

    [snip]

    We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

    Very good!!!

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    G September 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm #

    Well said, both by Mr. Murrow & yourself!

    Keith: by a couple of Edward R. Murrow’s See It Now’ program where Murrow essentially let McCarthy shoot himself in the foot with his own words, then editorialized:
    His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men. […]
    We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn’t create this situation of fear; he merely exploited it—and rather successfully.
    Journalists like Edward R. Murrow are sorely missed in today’s media.
    Reviewing the McCarthy story-line arc for this post on Wikipedia I was reminded yet again by the amazing correspondence between the McCarthy style Communism scare and the current demonization of Islam and the Birther’s/Truthers/Tea Partier’s attack on honest Government employees. We don’t have the House CUnAA but we do have Bachman, Palin, Perry, Brietbart, Beck, and Dr. Khate.
    We really really need another Edward R. Murrow or two to step up to the plate.
    Good night and good luck.

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    Obsolete September 25, 2011 at 3:58 pm #

    Don’t forget the Birther’s/Tea Partier’s/Republicans war on scientists as well. I think that will heat up over the next year.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 25, 2011 at 7:02 pm #

    I was born in 1950 and we never had drills in rural Alabama, but then why would anyone shoot a missile there? I do recall anxiety during the Cuban Missile Crisis and I think a couple of folks in town built shelters.

    G: Thanks for all those examples, guys! I was born in 1971. The only drills we had here in Ohio during my youth were tornado drills

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 25, 2011 at 7:28 pm #

    I don’t remember a lot being said about Communism in school and I don’t think any history class I ever had got past the 19th century.

    In fact I think I heard more in church about Communism (from visiting preachers) than I did in school. In church Communists were held up as a model of dedication to a cause that we should feel guilty about not matching.

    For some reason I ended up reading J. Edgar Hoover’s book, Masters of Deceit in high school. I found it interesting because it was full of the propaganda techniques I was studying in English. I guess my anti-Communist education consisted mostly of learning to recognize fallacious arguments — something that has served me well over the years.

    Remarkably, I still remember one thing (presuming this memory is accurate). Hoover said that one of the Communist tricks was to label those that disagree with them “fascists.” Later on the book, it calls Communists “fascists.”

    It was about that time that I first encountered conspiracy theories with Gary Allen’s book None Date Call it Conspiracy, which is right-wing conspiracy theory book along the lines of the New World Order conspiracies popular today, only before the black helicopters.

    That was also about the time I encountered ESP books about the research done at Duke University by J. B. Rhine.

    BatGuano: you’ve got me curious now to compare how communism was taught thru out the cold war.

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    Sef September 25, 2011 at 7:58 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I was born in 1950 and we never had drills in rural Alabama, but then why would anyone shoot a missile there?

    Huntspatch, maybe?

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    Keith September 25, 2011 at 8:43 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I don’t remember a lot being said about Communism in school and I don’t think any history class I ever had got past the 19th century.

    I find that incredible. I don’t doubt you, but I cannot comprehend how you could get through school in the 1950’s/60’s (you are roughly about the same age as me judging by your retirement date) without studying WW1, Prohibition and the Great Depression, WW2, Korea, and Viet Nam. I was reading about Viet Nam in My Weekly Reader in 4th grade and that was way before the US had fighting troops on the ground (officially anyway – there were ‘advisors’).

    I wonder if this is part of the reason why birthers and “sovereign citizens” refuse to acknowledge the 20th century amendments to the Constitution. If American Constitution is frozen in time at 1900 according to their ‘education’ experience, that could explain a great deal, methinks.

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    JoZeppy September 26, 2011 at 10:43 am #

    Daniel: This just in from Orly’s site. I havn’t seen the doc she’s referring to, but she appears to be a bit miffed about it. ROFLMAO…+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++US Department of Injustice: having a criminal with a stolen Social Security number-is not an extraordinary circumstance, Obama’s right to privacy to use a stolen SSN supercedes the right of 311 million American citizens to know, if we have a legitimate President and have a fraud and a criminal removed from the WH.Posted on | September 23, 2011 | No CommentsTaitz v Astrue opposition to motion for reconsiderationPlease, forward my motion for reconsideration with all the exhibits and the response from the Department of Injustice to every congressman and demand they write letters to chairmen and ranking members of House and Senate Judiciary committees and subcommittees on privacy and demand to invite me to the committee hearings and testify on ObamaForgeryGate and ObamaSSNfraudGate and subpoena records,subpoena attendance of Judge Lamberth, Judge Puglisi, judge Nishimura, Judge Clay D. Land, commissioner Astrue, director of Health Fuddy, registrar Onaka an demand answers from all of them. This is complete lawlessness, this is worse than the Soviet Union, Libya and Iran taken together. This answer from the Department of Justice de facto tells every American citizen: “You are nothing but a dumb slave, we can do absolutely everything and anything to you”. I hope every American citizen is livid and up in arms in the face of this flagrant injustice and flagrant abdication of the most basic constitutional rights of the US citizens. Please, forward to me copies of your letters to your representatives and senators. Please, follow up with the phone calls to their home and DC offices, please visit their offices and don’t get off the phone and don’t get out of the office until you get an answer, and don’t take no for an answer. Call Eric Holder, Robert Mueller, your state Attorney Generals, Sheriffs and Governors. This outrage has to end now.

    I read the opposition. Quite a bit of which is what what I predicted. All of her “new evidence” was available to her before; even if the President posted his social security number on the internet, it would not constitute a waiver of the privacy protections; she is just re-arguing the position she already lost on when the court said she has not provided any evidence to her crazy claims.

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    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 12:27 pm #

    Exactly JoZeppy. IANAL but even I know a motion for reconsideration is not designed for just begging the judge to change his mind. It’s for those rare times that new information or evidence that was simply not available before the trial, has been discovered.

  81. avatar
    G September 26, 2011 at 4:42 pm #

    Salon just put out an article about Orly’s visits to DC, where they seem to give her way too much benefit of the doubt. When will they learn that Orly should never be taken at her word for her “version” of things…

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/09/26/orly_taitz_republicans

    Their own article headline actually reads as follows:

    Top GOP staffers huddle with Birther activist

    Leading Obama conspiracy theorist Orly Taitz gets a warm welcome on a trip to Capitol Hill

    I mean seriously, are the basic tenents of journalism really that dead? Do editors even exist for online newspapers? Does nobody bother to fact check a situation BEFORE publishing an article? Just pathetic and extremely amateurish.

    Of course, it gives us laughs, but it just makes Salon look no better than The Enquirer.

    After you read the article, which simply and completely uncritically reports the whole tall tale exactly as Orly presents it to them, you get to this final UPDATE disclaimer just added:

    UPDATE: Brian Phillips, communications director for Sen. Mike Lee, sends this note about his office’s encounter with Taitz:

    Mrs. Taitz did not “meet” with our office in the widely understood sense. She arrived at our office unannounced and requested to speak with someone about a “homeland security” issue. She was afforded five minutes with a staffer. Once it was clear that her issue did not reflect one of critical national security importance, she was thanked and the meeting ended.

    LMAO! I mean seriously… for anyone who has been paying attention, who DIDN’T see that coming? (and YES, any reporter on Orly should have done some basic homework on her history and antics to see she has no credibility.)

  82. avatar
    Rickey September 26, 2011 at 7:22 pm #

    The defendants have filed a Motion to Dismiss the libel lawsuit filed by Farah and Corsi.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/66414368/JOESPH-FARAH-et-al-v-ESQUIRE-MAGAZINE-INC-et-al-66411988-Motion-to-Dismiss

  83. avatar
    Head Researcher September 26, 2011 at 7:40 pm #

    Hi Obots!!! My principal has been debating Vattle Birthers at Free Republic and beating them like carpets over a clothesline WITH LOGIC, and has written two very good new Internet Articles about Vattle Birthers. One of them is even a White Paper which is about a whole new type of cult!!!:

    Are The Vattle Birthers A Internet Cult??? Yes!!! (A White Paper)

    These might interest you. Plus, one of the Free Republic Vattle Birther Cult Members says that she has been sent there by here, so if he comes here and asks you, please set him straight. Ok???

    The Head Researcher, as Agent.

  84. avatar
    Joey September 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm #

    Head Researcher:
    Hi Obots!!! My principal has been debating Vattle Birthers at Free Republic and beating them like carpets over a clothesline WITH LOGIC, and has written two very good new Internet Articles about Vattle Birthers. One of them is even a White Paper which is about a whole new type of cult!!!:

    Are The Vattle Birthers A Internet Cult??? Yes!!! (A White Paper)

    These might interest you. Plus, one of the Free Republic Vattle Birther Cult Members says that she has been sent there by here, so if he comes here and asks you, please set him straight. Ok???

    The Head Researcher, as Agent.

    It would probably help if you knew how to spell “Vattel.”
    The man’s name was Emerich de Vattel.

  85. avatar
    Scientist September 26, 2011 at 8:18 pm #

    Head Researcher: My principal has been debating Vattle Birthers at Free Republic

    Your principal? When do you graduate? What do you plan to do after high school?

  86. avatar
    Head Researcher September 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm #

    Ever since this place insulted her (me), my principal will not post here under her individual name. Sooo, since she is also the Head Researcher at a Think Tank, she posts under that name as a AGENT, for her individual name, the PRINCIPAL. It is a law thing you can do as I learned in Business Law, that the head of a organization is kind of a separate person who has a fiduciary responsibility for the organization.

    Sooo, while the individual me might be mad and not post here because she was insulted so bad, the entity head me, The Head Researcher, has a duty on behalf of The Birther Think Tank to do what is best for the entity irregardless of what is best for the individual me. Sooo, that is the hat I wear when I come here, because it is my duty sometimes.

    The Head Researcher

  87. avatar
    Scientist September 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm #

    Who cares?

  88. avatar
    obsolete September 26, 2011 at 8:55 pm #

    Squeeky?

  89. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 9:36 pm #

    Head Researcher: Ever since this place insulted her (me), my principal will not post here under her individual name. Sooo, since she is also the Head Researcher at a Think Tank, she posts under that name as a AGENT,

    Still wrestling with that schizophrenia I see…

  90. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm #

    Head Researcher: since she is also the Head Researcher at a Think Tank

    The padded cell may be a place to think; it may even be referred to as the “tank”.

    It’s not a “think tank” though, I’m afraid.

  91. avatar
    Sef September 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm #

    Head Researcher: she is also the Head Researcher at a Think Tank

    Must be related to Thomas Crapper.

  92. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 9:39 pm #

    Head Researcher: Sooo, while the individual me might be mad and not post here because she was insulted so bad,

    I thought we insulted you pretty darn well, actually.

  93. avatar
    G September 26, 2011 at 9:40 pm #

    *facepalm* Wow. The mental gymnastics some folks put themselves through instead of just being straight up with themselves and life… cripes on toast! Other than that, hello Squeeky. Hope you are well….relatively speaking.

    Head Researcher: Sooo, while the individual me might be mad and not post here because she was insulted so bad, the entity head me, The Head Researcher, has a duty on behalf of The Birther Think Tank to do what is best for the entity irregardless of what is best for the individual me. Sooo, that is the hat I wear when I come here, because it is my duty sometimes.

  94. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 9:48 pm #

    Daryn Moran to DC to arrest Obama 001.MOV 26 Sep 2011

    http://youtu.be/J0UYTEIn8tE

    Good luck with that Mr. Moron

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    Head Researcher September 26, 2011 at 9:51 pm #

    Hi G!!!

    Everything is fine. I have just been taking it easy this summer and working in my yard, and tanning and stuff. Resting up for the 2012 elections. But, now it is time to get back to work and blogging. Did you like the Vattle Birthers Are A Internet Cult Internet Article??? Was it good???

    Oh plus, some stupid Vattle Birther at Free Republic says that Doctor C sent me there to mess them up. If he shows up here, please tell them how good I used to just clobber you Obots, OK???

    Head Researcher, as Agent.

  96. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 9:59 pm #

    Hurry and see the video before it gets taken down. Direct threats against the POTUS are usually removed pretty quickly by YouTube

  97. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm #

    I guess Mr. Moron forgot to check the President’s schedule.

    “Hi, I’m a birther nutbag, and I’m here to arrest the President.”

    “I’m sorry, but the President isn’t home right now, Can you come back and make your feeble attempt to look important perhaps sometime next week?”

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 26, 2011 at 10:36 pm #

    Head Researcher:
    Hi G!!!

    Everything is fine. I have just been taking it easy this summer and working in my yard, and tanning and stuff. Resting up for the 2012 elections. But, now it is time to get back to work and blogging. Did you like the Vattle Birthers Are A Internet Cult Internet Article??? Was it good???

    Oh plus, some stupid Vattle Birther at Free Republic says that Doctor C sent me there to mess them up. If he shows up here, please tell them how good I used to just clobber you Obots, OK???

    Head Researcher, as Agent.

    Squeeky what’s with the name change again? Try being consistent.

  99. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 26, 2011 at 10:38 pm #

    Daniel:
    Daryn Moran to DC to arrest Obama 001.MOV 26 Sep 2011

    http://youtu.be/J0UYTEIn8tE

    Good luck with that Mr. Moron

    Did you see Rudy’s video on Moran?

  100. avatar
    Head Researcher September 26, 2011 at 10:40 pm #

    I am being consistent, because here I am always “Head Researcher” ever since I was falsely accused and threatened. Since I am the Head Researcher at The Birther Think Tank, and everybody knows I am, it is just the same as my real Internet name. This is NOT hard to understand.

    Head Researcher, as Agent.

  101. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 11:23 pm #

    Head Researcher:
    I am being consistent,

    This is true, you’re just as delusional and mentally unstable as ever.

  102. avatar
    Daniel September 26, 2011 at 11:23 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Did you see Rudy’s video on Moran?

    Don’t think I’ve had the pleasure. Do you have a link handy?

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    G September 26, 2011 at 11:47 pm #

    Hello Squeeky, or HR,A as I’ll call you for short. Honestly, most people use a handle or moniker on the internet and some even change it from time to time, so I don’t have a problem with what you use these days. But boy, reading your explanation of how it came about and what it represents…my mind immediately invisioned having to fill out three forms in triplicate and send along a notarized statement via a lawyer in order to respond…LOL! It was such a bureaucratic labyrinth-esque explanation that it just floored me and nearly had me fall back in my chair in laughter. Please don’t take offense. We can all use a good surprise gut-punch laugh from time to time and that gave me mine.

    Anyways, no, I haven’t yet had a chance to read your latest articles, but I will try to get over there and see them and comment back. Honestly, past articles have never quite lived up to the hype you give them…so I’m aware of what I’m likely to find.

    Also, I don’t think “clobber” is the right phrase that you want to use, unless you mean it in only some sort of ironic and hyperbolic sense. I surely don’t recall any actual clobbering that happened here, but I do recall you often ignoring sound rebuttal or corrections offered to you.

    Glad to hear that you had a good summer and that your yard survived the TX drought.

    Head Researcher: Hi G!!!Everything is fine. I have just been taking it easy this summer and working in my yard, and tanning and stuff. Resting up for the 2012 elections. But, now it is time to get back to work and blogging. Did you like the Vattle Birthers Are A Internet Cult Internet Article??? Was it good??? Oh plus, some stupid Vattle Birther at Free Republic says that Doctor C sent me there to mess them up. If he shows up here, please tell them how good I used to just clobber you Obots, OK???Head Researcher, as Agent.

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    Head Researcher September 27, 2011 at 12:44 am #

    G:

    When you have your think tank, you have a responsibility to think and stuff. Plus you have to run it professionally or it will just not have any cred. (Which means “credibility”) Sooo, that is why I thought I should be the Head Researcher there, and not just Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter, because usually, girl reporters don’t run their own think tank. Plus, I didn’t want people who visited the think tank to get confused when they read my poetry somewhere else or my Squeekonomics. Sooo, that is why I have two names sometimes, but I am only Head Researcher when I am here or the think tank, or representing the think tank somewhere with other thinkers.

    Head Researcher, as Agent.

  105. avatar
    Daniel September 27, 2011 at 1:17 am #

    Well squeeky we’ll always think of you as being in “the tank”

  106. avatar
    G September 27, 2011 at 1:38 am #

    Ok, whatever works for you re: your moniker. As I said, I’m used to people having different internet handles for different reasons and don’t mind it at all. Even though you are posting here as “Head Researcher, as Agent”, I’ll still refer to you as Squeeky, because it is easier for me.

    Anyways, I did take the time to read your White Paper article and will give my feedback breakdown as promised. I’ll do it in order of how I read it.

    1. I did enjoy the opening image and the word play of the blurb underneath: “Squeeky, Preparing to Bopp The Hale Out Of The Vattle Cultists.” Got a huge kick out of the “Hale Bopp Cult” reference and do think that was really clever mulit-leveled phrasing. Kudos on that.

    2. While I can agree with the two types of Birthers, please understand that I do not view any type of Birtherism as “smart”, as simply put, none of its manifestations has any factual or solid evidential basis whatsoever at all. I do agree that the deVattelists are completely wrong and nuts. Birtherism is merely an emotional reaction and not a reality-based one.

    3. Although I applaud your report on Internet Cults, a relatively new phenomenon, you are definitely not the first to notice or write about such things. In fact, if you look at just this blog commentary history alone, you will see that very topic has come up a number of times over the past few years and I myself have been quite vocal in discussing the topic. As you mentioned, the typical Cult has a “leader”…but beyond various Birther Bloggers and sham Birther lawyers maybe viewing themselves as a wanna-be leader, it really is a leaderless movement as a whole…something which I think is endemic and different about the new Interet Cult phenomenon vs physical cults.

    4. As with most things, not everyone of a certain viewpoint gets there via the same motivations/conclusions. I bring that up to point out that the anti-climate change viewpoint is not monolithic in its reasoning either and that certain members of that group do seem to exhibit more cult-like reasoning than merely being “skeptical”. Sorry, but the science is fairly solid on this and overall, most scientists DO agree it is happening and that mankind has had an IMPACT ascerbating the situation.

    5. Moon Landing deniers are definitely over the edge. Whether they fit the definition of a cult or not is worthy of debate, but they are definitely wrong and nutty in their views on this issue. There is no two sides to this one. Heck, you can see what we left behind on the moon pretty clearly in the current satellite images.

    6. I agree with the 3 factors you cited being present in Internet Cults and really liked the citations and “Key Points” you provided below to support it. Kudos.

    7. The rest of your article does a good job of pointing out several valid reasons for why the de Vattelists are wrong and interpreting law incorrectly as well as demonstrating the irrational denial behavior tactics they use when confronted with the facts. I completely agree with your remaining conclusions.

    So in summary, I really enjoyed your article and feel it was your best work to date. A well deserved Kudos to you! You have made a significant amount of progress in your learning and writing skills, so I’m very proud of your accomplishment on this article and appreciate you sharing it.

    My only criticism/challenge to you is to define and support your basis for the type of “Birtherism” you adhere to and to try to critically look to evaluate that it doesn’t fall into the same traps and thinking behaviors.

    Mere emotional suspicion or dislike of government, public leaders or individuals simply does not equate to evidence and logical conclusions cannot be drawn from such merely gut-based insinuations. I hope you can one day understand that as well.

    Kind regards and again, a well deserved Kudos on this article in general.

    Head Researcher: G:When you have your think tank, you have a responsibility to think and stuff. Plus you have to run it professionally or it will just not have any cred. (Which means “credibility”) Sooo, that is why I thought I should be the Head Researcher there, and not just Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter, because usually, girl reporters don’t run their own think tank. Plus, I didn’t want people who visited the think tank to get confused when they read my poetry somewhere else or my Squeekonomics. Sooo, that is why I have two names sometimes, but I am only Head Researcher when I am here or the think tank, or representing the think tank somewhere with other thinkers.Head Researcher, as Agent.

  107. avatar
    G September 27, 2011 at 1:48 am #

    Squeeky –

    I also read your “A Vattle Birther Tackles The Bible” article and found it to be entertaining and probably a fairly apt analogy example of the flawed thinking pattern in Birther thinking.

    The most important take away illustrated by your example scenario is something that is a major problem that occurs quite often – cherry picking Bible quotes to support someone’s preconceived conclusions, while ignoring every other part of the Bible that might not support that conclusion or may even contradict it.

    In pointing that out, you’ve really hit the nail on the head of a flawed justification strategy that we sadly see applied way too often in society, on issues much bigger and broader than just the deVattelists that you used in your example. For too many, the Bible is just a cherry-picked cover they use to justify their actions, hide behind them and turn off critical thought and shut down rational discourse. Kudos for putting the spotlight on this major issue and giving a portrayal of how it can tend to play out and be contradictory.

    In summary, I very much appreciated and enjoyed both of your latest articles. Kudos again.

  108. avatar
    Keith September 27, 2011 at 2:17 am #

    Scientist: Your principal?When do you graduate?What do you plan to do after high school?

    You are assuming facts not in evidence again. I don’t think Squeeky is old enough for High School.

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    aarrgghh September 27, 2011 at 2:43 am #

    “i distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do, because i notice it always coincides with their own desires.” (susan b anthony)

    G:
    For too many, the Bible is just a cherry-picked cover they use to justify their actions, hide behind them and turn off critical thought and shut down rational discourse.

  110. avatar
    roadburner September 27, 2011 at 7:54 am #

    Head Researcher: The Birther Think Tank

    anyone spot the oxymoron?

  111. avatar
    The Magic M September 27, 2011 at 8:04 am #

    aarrgghh: “i distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do, because i notice it always coincides with their own desires.” (susan b anthony)

    Thanks for the reference, I’ll add that to my favourite quotes. πŸ™‚

    And indeed, I’m still waiting for the concern troll bigot who claims “I hate to do […], but God wants me to”.

  112. avatar
    Head Researcher September 27, 2011 at 8:11 am #

    G:

    Thank you sooo very much for your very good and helpful critique of my Internet Articles!!! I have to think some more about the de-centralized nature of the Internet Cultists. Maybe it is like a friend of mine who is selling colliding vitamins or something like that??? She just swears the stuff has made her healthier and stuff but I don’t want to spend $59 per month on a bunch of little pills and juice stuff. She found this stuff on the Internet I think. Now, it is all she can talk about and she is irritating everybody trying to sell this stuff. What is really funny is that on one hand she tells us how natural this stuff is because they find it somewhere in Utah maybe, but then she goes and gets a boob job. Go figure.

    Head Researcher (Squeeky), as Agent.

  113. avatar
    Lupin September 27, 2011 at 12:13 pm #

    Alabama Judge to offenders: Become a Christian or go to jail:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/26/alabama-town-to-offenders-go-to-church-or-go-to-jail/

    Note that synagogue, mosques or buddhist temples need not apply.

    And then some wonder why we French fight so hard to contain religion and promote laicity.

  114. avatar
    Lupin September 27, 2011 at 12:17 pm #

    Head Researcher: Sooo, while the individual me might be mad and not post here because she was insulted so bad, the entity head me, The Head Researcher, has a duty on behalf of The Birther Think Tank to do what is best for the entity irregardless of what is best for the individual me. Sooo, that is the hat I wear when I come here, because it is my duty sometimes.

    Meet Norman Bates.

  115. avatar
    G September 27, 2011 at 12:31 pm #

    WOW! That is definitely blatently unconstitutional and really crosses the line. It just goes to show how some folks can have good intentions with the laws they make but really, really violate other’s rights and not even understand why their law is so wrong in the first place.

    Lupin: Alabama Judge to offenders: Become a Christian or go to jail:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/26/alabama-town-to-offenders-go-to-church-or-go-to-jail/Note that synagogue, mosques or buddhist temples need not apply.And then some wonder why we French fight so hard to contain religion and promote laicity.

  116. avatar
    G September 27, 2011 at 12:42 pm #

    Sounds like your friend is into colloidial silver. Although there might be some questionable minor medical benefits associated with it, there are bigger side effect problems from taking too much of it or for too long (such as turning people blue).

    The people who really swear by it are definitely way overboard in their endorsement, as if it is some sort of magic cure-all. Definitely in many ways exhibiting cult-like behavior as a result…so I would suspect that much of the benefit they “think” they are getting is nothing but a “placebo effect” of what they believe over what is reality.

    Some info on that stuff, its medical uses through history & its dangers:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver

    Just an excerpt:

    Since the 1990s, “colloidal silver”, a liquid suspension of microscopic silver particles, has been marketed as an alternative medicine, often claiming impressive “cure-all” qualities. The effectiveness of these products has never been scientifically proven, and in some jurisdictions, it is currently illegal to include such claims in product advertisements.[14] Medical authorities and publications advise against the ingestion of colloidal silver preparations, because of their lack of proven effectiveness and because of the risk of adverse side effects, such as argyria.[2][15][16][17] Historically, colloidal silver was also used as an internal medication to treat a variety of diseases. Their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s, due to the development of safe and effective modern antibiotics and concern about adverse side effects

    It has a huge warning about it on QUACKWATCH, which is a great site to check & see if medical claims are legit or not:

    http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

    One of the key things mentioned there is that these kinds of things are often sold by MLMs (mulit-level marketing) outfits – which should be the first WARNING right there. Those types of organizations are pretty much pseudo Ponzi schemes and are just about all scams to some extent. They usually use the MLM money-making hook to trick people into pushing cr*p products onto others…

    I say avoid your friend’s likely scam cult at all costs and hope that she finally snaps out of it and breaks free from the stuff herself before she turns herself into a Smurf…

    Head Researcher: G:Thank you sooo very much for your very good and helpful critique of my Internet Articles!!! I have to think some more about the de-centralized nature of the Internet Cultists. Maybe it is like a friend of mine who is selling colliding vitamins or something like that??? She just swears the stuff has made her healthier and stuff but I don’t want to spend $59 per month on a bunch of little pills and juice stuff. She found this stuff on the Internet I think. Now, it is all she can talk about and she is irritating everybody trying to sell this stuff. What is really funny is that on one hand she tells us how natural this stuff is because they find it somewhere in Utah maybe, but then she goes and gets a boob job. Go figure.Head Researcher (Squeeky), as Agent.

  117. avatar
    Sef September 27, 2011 at 12:43 pm #

    G:
    WOW!That is definitely blatently unconstitutional and really crosses the line.It just goes to show how some folks can have good intentions with the laws they make but really, really violate other’s rights and not even understand why their law is so wrong in the first place.

    Candidate Obama’s “guns and religion” comment continues to be relevant.

  118. avatar
    Daniel September 27, 2011 at 12:47 pm #

    So squeeky imagines herself a tank thinker now.

    What’s next… President?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 27, 2011 at 1:31 pm #

    Head Researcher: I am being consistent, because here I am always “Head Researcher” ever since I was falsely accused and threatened. Since I am the Head Researcher at The Birther Think Tank, and everybody knows I am, it is just the same as my real Internet name. This is NOT hard to understand. Head Researcher, as Agent.

    Falsely accused and threatened? Whose head are you researching? Do you also give testicular cancer screenings too? Birther think tank is an oxymoron. Also you said you weren’t going to post here anymore when you were going by Squeeky Fromme.

  120. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 27, 2011 at 1:33 pm #

    Daniel: Don’t think I’ve had the pleasure. Do you have a link handy?

    Well he has several

    Here’s rudy’s channel http://www.youtube.com/user/LoneStar1776

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 27, 2011 at 1:37 pm #

    Lupin: Alabama Judge to offenders: Become a Christian or go to jail:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/26/alabama-town-to-offenders-go-to-church-or-go-to-jail/Note that synagogue, mosques or buddhist temples need not apply.And then some wonder why we French fight so hard to contain religion and promote laicity.

    Kinda breaks the whole first ammendment thing.

  122. avatar
    Daniel September 27, 2011 at 1:47 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Well he has several

    Here’s rudy’s channel http://www.youtube.com/user/LoneStar1776

    That is truly frightening. Do you suppose he’s related to Timothy McVeigh?

  123. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 27, 2011 at 2:53 pm #

    Daniel:

    Would not surprise me in the least. I would have posted something on his page but he blocked me from commenting after I said Lakin was a blue falcon who betrayed his colleagues in a time of war.

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    Thrifty September 27, 2011 at 4:29 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Well he has severalHere’s rudy’s channel http://www.youtube.com/user/LoneStar1776

    You owe me a new set of ear drums.

    This character certainly is loud.

  125. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) September 27, 2011 at 5:31 pm #

    Thrifty: You owe me a new set of ear drums.This character certainly is loud.

    Loud? Not exactly the adjective I would use. Insane? Foaming at the mouth? Dipshit? Scumbag?

  126. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 27, 2011 at 7:08 pm #

    I have enough trouble getting myself out of a chair, much less sending someone else somewhere.

    Head Researcher: Oh plus, some stupid Vattle Birther at Free Republic says that Doctor C sent me there to mess them up. If he shows up here, please tell them how good I used to just clobber you Obots, OK???

  127. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 27, 2011 at 7:10 pm #

    If memory serves me right, the odd spelling is intentional.

    Joey: It would probably help if you knew how to spell “Vattel.”

  128. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 27, 2011 at 7:12 pm #

    I’ve never known birthers to respond to logical argument.

    Head Researcher: My principal has been debating Vattle Birthers at Free Republic and beating them like carpets over a clothesline WITH LOGIC, and has written two very good new Internet Articles about Vattle Birthers.

  129. avatar
    Joey September 27, 2011 at 7:35 pm #

    The latest attempt by birthers to get the Supreme Court to invalidate the Obama presidency, Keyes v Bowen was presented in Cert Conference at the Supreme Court of the United States yesterday:
    No. 10-1351
    Title: Alan Keyes, et al., Petitioners
    v.
    Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State, et al.

    Docketed: May 4, 2011
    Lower Ct: Court of Appeal of California, Third Appellate District
    Case Nos.: (C062321)
    Decision Date: October 25, 2010
    Discretionary Court
    Decision Date: February 2, 2011

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    May 2 2011 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due June 3, 2011)
    May 25 2011 Waiver of right of respondent Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State to respond filed.
    Jun 2 2011 Waiver of right of respondents President Barack Obama, and Vice-President Joseph Biden Jr. to respond filed.
    Jun 2 2011 Waiver of right of respondents 55 California Presidential Electors of 2008, (Aleita Huguenin, et al.) to respond filed.
    Jun 15 2011 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of September 26, 2011.

  130. avatar
    gorefan September 28, 2011 at 1:51 pm #

    Al Hendershot has a new video up. His problem is that he is still using public databases which are unreliable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma9xCv-8zsg&feature=player_embedded#!

    Also he does all this computer work and doesn’t show it on the video. It’s a strange presentation.

    His search on Rita Resko (3:25 minutes in) only shows how unreliable the public databases are. He says there is no evidence she owned the house (5050 Greenwood) next to the Obama’s. But the Cook County Recorder website shows she owned it in 2005. So who to believe the public databases or the county recorders office?

    The guy is basically incompetent. So he fits in well with the birther movement. And they cannot understand why people don’t take them seriously.

  131. avatar
    Daniel September 28, 2011 at 4:11 pm #

    So according to the post and fail, Daryn Moron chickened out of his heroic drive to Washington to arrest the President, after an early morning visit from the Secret Service.

    Well that’s not exactly the way the post and fail spun it, but that’s the essence.

    Where’s your bravado now, Mr “call the President a coward” Moron?

  132. avatar
    JoZeppy September 28, 2011 at 7:02 pm #

    In other news, Orly has posted her draft Reply to the Government’s Opposition to her Motion for Reconsideration on her website. Wow….what a festering piece of doo-doo.

    Point A for Orly: It’s OK for a judge to call an attorney stupid. It’s his courtroom. He can do whatever he wants. It’s not OK for an attorney to call opposing counsel stipud or braindead, having collective dyslexia or not understanding simple English. That will P.O. the judge. Particularly if the person doing the name calling is the actual idiot who couldn’t find the law if she was bludgeoned with the entire US Code and Federal Reporter. Judges expect the parties to be professional and civil to each other. Name calling scores you zero points.

    Point B for Orly: Not only did the opposition address the Motion for Recon, it beat it to a bloody pulp. Orly seems to be under the misconception that they actually need to counter her crazy factual claims (although I do believe they did call her accusations still unsupported by any facts, and that they are additionally irrelevant). They do not. There is a legal standard for Reconsideration (although it’s not actually reconsideration, it’s a motion to amend or alter a judgment). The Government pointed what that standard was, and why your claim for new evidence doesn’t apply.

    Point C for Orly: Usually citing case law is a good idea. Her one citation, isn’t even citing to anything. Particularly when the opposition clearly states, citing case law that newly discovered evidence if new evidence that a person could not have reasonbly found before. She does nothing to counter the Government’s contention that none of her “newly found evidence” was not available to her earlier. Just because she didn’t know about a document that had been on the White House’s website for years, doesn’t make it newly discovered. It was out in the open, and if she actually did some research, rather than relying on her flying monkeys, she would have been aware of it. All the e-verify stuff can’t remotely fit under newly discovered, because she was fully aware of the ability to use it, since this is her second time using the information illegally.

    Point D for Orly: Quit bringing up Nixon and Watergate. The two situations are remotely similar. The Nixon tapes were subpoena’ed by a special prosectuor investigating the Watergate break-in/cover up. All the screaming and footstomping doesn’t put Orly in the same position as the folks who actually have investigative power under the law.

    Point E for Orly: Stop acting like you’ve actually proven fraud. It’s all in that very scary place she calls her mind. Particularly since it is all based on public databases, and the very confused belief that the geographic code of an SSN is dispositive. The SSA website says not to rely on it for anything.

    I could go on and on about this “piece of work.” Orly just blathers on incoherently, jumping from one insane rant to the next, with little detours into tangents about dead people voting, Bill Ayers, his relatives, the Salon story about her “meetings” with hill people. I think Orly is becoming more and more unhinged as time goes on. This is the kind of stuff one would expect found scribbled on a roll or toilet paper in an insane asylum.

  133. avatar
    Lupin September 29, 2011 at 3:24 am #

    JoZeppy: This is the kind of stuff one would expect found scribbled on a roll or toilet paper in an insane asylum.

    I once received a hand-written fan letter, several pages long, from a jailed convict who claimed he was the real author of all of John Lennon’s songs.

    I would generally not mind Orly’s lunacy if she wasn’t cluttering the courts and taking away valuable time & resources.

  134. avatar
    The Magic M September 29, 2011 at 9:00 am #

    JoZeppy: I think Orly is becoming more and more unhinged as time goes on.

    I just think she knows very well that this “motion for reconsideration” is a dead duck and her public display is just for the gallery, that’s why it reads more like a birther propaganda leaflet than an actual court filing.
    I wonder why she left out scolding the judge for calling it “not her lucky day”. That always sits so well with the birfer audience.

  135. avatar
    JoZeppy September 29, 2011 at 2:55 pm #

    The Magic M: I just think she knows very well that this “motion for reconsideration” is a dead duck

    I think you’re giving Orly’s grasp of reality far too much credit

  136. avatar
    Majority Will September 30, 2011 at 7:01 am #

    On Facebook: Orly Taitz for Obama 2012

    “I am going to help Obama feenish his campaign”

    “I apologize to President. I support him for re-election campaign. All republican candidates are cheap, computer generated holograms and I cannot support them.”

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Orly-Taitz-for-Obama-2012/217903494941074?skip_nax_wizard=true

  137. avatar
    G September 30, 2011 at 11:01 am #

    HILARIOUS!!!

    Majority Will: On Facebook: Orly Taitz for Obama 2012“I am going to help Obama feenish his campaign”“I apologize to President. I support him for re-election campaign. All republican candidates are cheap, computer generated holograms and I cannot support them.”http://www.facebook.com/pages/Orly-Taitz-for-Obama-2012/217903494941074?skip_nax_wizard=true

  138. avatar
    Majority Will September 30, 2011 at 11:18 am #

    Majority Will:
    On Facebook: Orly Taitz for Obama 2012

    “I am going to help Obama feenish his campaign”

    “I apologize to President. I support him for re-election campaign. All republican candidates are cheap, computer generated holograms and I cannot support them.”

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Orly-Taitz-for-Obama-2012/217903494941074?skip_nax_wizard=true

    And this one: Birthers for Obama

    “We support Obama even if he no legal becuse Orly Taitz support him.”

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Birthers-for-Obama/294818880533951

  139. avatar
    Head Researcher September 30, 2011 at 5:12 pm #

    Well, my Principal is still just clobbering the Vattle Birthers, and here are two more very good Internet Articles which just beat the Vattle Birthers like carpets over a clothesline. One is a separate page thingy, The Case the Two Citizen Parent Birters Just HATE, so when you go to the website it is always available. It is just the important part of the case and made easier to read, I am really surprised that none of you Obots ever thought to do this but New Thoughts are not your forte I guess. Anyway here are the linky thingies if you are interested:

    http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2011/09/30/translators-we-dont-need-no-stinkin-translators-unlike-the-vattle-birthers/

    http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/the-case-the-two-citizen-parent-birthers-just-hate/

    But, don’t feel neglected!!!. My Principal is working on “Obots: Still Crazy After All these Years!!!”

    The Head Researcher, as Agent

  140. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith September 30, 2011 at 5:17 pm #

    Hi Obotopians!

    I have published a new blog report at WOBIK!

    “Neil Sankey’s letter (email) to a Sheriff in Iowa. Lonny Pulkrabek.”

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/neil-sankeys-letter-email-to-a-sheriff-in-iowa-lonny-pulkrabek/

    Please read, comment and share!

    Thanks!

    Lucas Daniel Smith

    319-804-0440

  141. avatar
    G September 30, 2011 at 8:36 pm #

    Hi Squeeky,

    I read both articles and enjoyed them. I’ve really enjoyed the clever and funny little images you’ve included as illustration at the beginning of your articles (including the youtube & other links to expand on those references that you cite at the bottom.) Keep up that format.

    Two suggestions for improvement in the future:

    1) Check spelling, particularly when it is the subject of your article. Sometimes you spell Vattel properly in the middle of your article, but more often you keep citing him wrong as Vattle. You don’t want major errors like that to distract from the credibility of your article.

    2) In your posting here, you alluded to that information in your articles not already having been addressed other places or here (“It is just the important part of the case and made easier to read, I am really surprised that none of you Obots ever thought to do this but New Thoughts are not your forte I guess.”) .

    When in fact, all those points have been addressed many times and are cataloged on this site. Both the case laws you cited has been expressed & explained here in repeated detail as well as an even more indepth analysis of Vattel’s publication dates and actual words and how they properly translate – to an extent beyond what you’ve been able to touch upon yet.

    (Note: one of the regulars here, Lupin is a French attorney and has covered these topics in extensive depth repeatedly. The key point that the Vattel Birthers even get wrong Vattel’s translation and that the plural use of parents does NOT mean that BOTH have to be required for citizenship).

    I realize that this site has been around and covering these issues long before you ever discovered us and that with such a long history and list of articles and comments, it is easy to not realize what all has already been covered here; but I do wish to caution you from putting your foot in your mouth by claiming that no one else hasn’t done something before you, without adequately researching to see if they have.

    It is still an accomplishment that you’ve learned and arrived at this information on your own, and for that I am glad and proud of you. I just want you to focus more on doing good research than making unnecessary and inaccurate prideful boasts in the future. Such things only hurt your cause and I want to see you be better than that.

    Also, from the comment you added at the end of your first article, I see you still have your orphan Blue Jay! Wow…I didn’t know how long they live, but I’m always glad to hear about a rescued animal still thriving. Has that been over 2 years now that you’ve had him?

    Head Researcher: Well, my Principal is still just clobbering the Vattle Birthers, and here are two more very good Internet Articles which just beat the Vattle Birthers like carpets over a clothesline. One is a separate page thingy, The Case the Two Citizen Parent Birters Just HATE, so when you go to the website it is always available. It is just the important part of the case and made easier to read, I am really surprised that none of you Obots ever thought to do this but New Thoughts are not your forte I guess. Anyway here are the linky thingies if you are interested:http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2011/09/30/translators-we-dont-need-no-stinkin-translators-unlike-the-vattle-birthers/http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/the-case-the-two-citizen-parent-birthers-just-hate/But, don’t feel neglected!!!. My Principal is working on “Obots: Still Crazy After All these Years!!!”The Head Researcher, as Agent

  142. avatar
    Head Researcher September 30, 2011 at 10:16 pm #

    G:

    Thank you for saying nice things!!! Yes, Squawky is still alive and doing fine. He lives at the other house, but there is food put out for him every day. I got him last year, sooo he is about 1 1/2 years old. But I bet he lives to be 10 years old, because he eats a lot of food, and has a lot of bird friends and squirrels. Plus, there are 3 purple martins there that I rescued from the cats. But they all look the same to me, because they live in a big bird herd.

    Anyway, what I was talking about on the Indiana case thingy, which I did differently, was that I broke it in half at Natural Borm Citizen, and just put that part in so nobody has to read forever to get to it. Then, I moved all the footnotes from the middle of stuff down to the bottom. That way you can read a paragraph straight through. Because some of the Vattle Birthers are just not very smart (as opposed to the one who are just big, fat liars) and it needs to be as easy for them and the Independents as possible .

    Then, I bolded some of the most important stuff, like where the Vattle Birther case was stated . That way, a person who is not on the fight, can read more easily and not have to work as hard. Plus, I gave it a separate page and a intriguing and catchy title like it is a secret, which everybody loves to snoop on stuff. Because really, that case just clobbers the Vattle Birthers and it is not wild or anything. It is just based on old timey SCOTUS cases.

    I think that makes it more accessible to people. But, I also included a link sooo anybody who doesn’t believe me can check it out for themselves. So, its really the “packaging” of the case that I think I am a real innovator about.

    Plus, I misspell Vattle on purpose because it make the Vattle Birthers sound stupider. Plus, I have started putting his name as Emerich D. Vattle, when I know that it is really “de”, because once again, it is a way of teasing them. Because “Emerich D. Vattle” has a bumpkiny sound to it.

    But, thank you again for reading my stuff. I am glad you like the little jokes I put in there. Whenever possible, I try to hide funny little Easter Eggs in the pictures, sooo if you hover your mouse over them, they pop up!!! Sometimes I have to do as much thinking about that stuff as I do the Internet Articles. But you know, you learn a lot of stuff just looking for the right image and thinking of captions. It kind of pulls your brains a different direction and makes you think about stuff differently.

    Thank you again!!!

    The Head Researcher, as Agent.

  143. avatar
    G September 30, 2011 at 11:39 pm #

    You’re welcome. As a fellow animal lover, glad to hear all the good news & details! May your animals live many more healthy years!

    Head Researcher: Thank you for saying nice things!!! Yes, Squawky is still alive and doing fine. He lives at the other house, but there is food put out for him every day. I got him last year, sooo he is about 1 1/2 years old. But I bet he lives to be 10 years old, because he eats a lot of food, and has a lot of bird friends and squirrels. Plus, there are 3 purple martins there that I rescued from the cats. But they all look the same to me, because they live in a big bird herd.

    Thanks for the explanation re: the packaging. That makes sense. Good idea & Kudos.

    Head Researcher: I think that makes it more accessible to people. But, I also included a link sooo anybody who doesn’t believe me can check it out for themselves. So, its really the “packaging” of the case that I think I am a real innovator about.

    Thanks for that explanation too. That makes sense, but can I suggest that at the end of your articles you append a small footnote/disclaimer actually explaining that in-joke against the Vattel-heads… That way they can still be mocked/duped by your rewording in the article & yet your footnote/disclaimer will let the casual reader know that you do know what you are talking about and not accidentally discount you as someone who doesn’t know the subject well enough to spell it. Just trying to help.

    Head Researcher: Plus, I misspell Vattle on purpose because it make the Vattle Birthers sound stupider. Plus, I have started putting his name as Emerich D. Vattle, when I know that it is really “de”, because once again, it is a way of teasing them. Because “Emerich D. Vattle” has a bumpkiny sound to it.

    Cool! I went back & moused over a bunch of article images (incl the Galileo one) and got a kick out of all the Easter Eggs. The ones that made me laugh the hardest were “DOH!” and “The End Result of the 2 Parent Theory”. ROTFLMAO!!! Wickedly funny stuff! Thanks for the tip.

    Head Researcher: But, thank you again for reading my stuff. I am glad you like the little jokes I put in there. Whenever possible, I try to hide funny little Easter Eggs in the pictures, sooo if you hover your mouse over them, they pop up!!! Sometimes I have to do as much thinking about that stuff as I do the Internet Articles. But you know, you learn a lot of stuff just looking for the right image and thinking of captions. It kind of pulls your brains a different direction and makes you think about stuff differently.

  144. avatar
    Head Researcher October 1, 2011 at 12:07 am #

    G:

    Thank you. That is a good idea about the “Vattle” footnote. I will go back and start adding those. I am glad you liked the Easter Eggs. But, I think there are some that nobody in the Universe will ever get, like on The Vine of Much Itching. Plus, I bury stuff in the Internet Articles sometimes, like the Fu Xi pun. For some reason, if you are a INTP, this stuff just happens to you all the time, where you think of stuff. But, it helps if you do crossword puzzles.

    I am glad you liked the stuff.

    The Head Researcher, as Agent

  145. avatar
    Keith October 1, 2011 at 1:21 am #

    G: I read both articles and enjoyed them.

    Personally, I’d much rather listen to the Neville Brothers than read about the Vattle Birthers.

  146. avatar
    charo October 2, 2011 at 4:08 pm #

    Head Researcher:
    G:

    Thank you. That is a good idea about the “Vattle” footnote. I will go back and start adding those. I am glad you liked the Easter Eggs. But, I think there are some that nobody in the Universe will ever get, like on The Vine of Much Itching. Plus, I bury stuff in the Internet Articles sometimes, like the Fu Xi pun. For some reason, if you are a INTP, this stuff just happens to you all the time, where you think of stuff. But, it helps if you do crossword puzzles.

    I am glad you liked the stuff.

    The Head Researcher, as Agent

    I have to say that your site is much different than I expected. I scanned some parts of it and literally l’d-o-l a few times.

    I really liked this one:

    And, if you think I am being sacrilegious. . .well, it is Sunday, and I got you to read two Bible verses, which is probably two more than most of you Heathens would have read otherwise!!!

  147. avatar
    Sef October 2, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

    charo: And, if you think I am being sacrilegious. . .well, it is Sunday, and I got you to read two Bible verses, which is probably two more than most of you Heathens would have read otherwise!!!

    How about John 11:35, but in the context of what is happening to our planet and humanity.

  148. avatar
    Northland10 October 2, 2011 at 8:33 pm #

    charo quoting HR: And, if you think I am being sacrilegious. . .well, it is Sunday, and I got you to read two Bible verses, which is probably two more than most of you Heathens would have read otherwise!!!

    Well, last Sunday, after reading a blog article from classmate from seminary (full disclosure, I was in a music and liturgy program, not divinity), I did spend a couple hours on on one verse, or two, if you count that it is in both Matthew and Mark. The research involved determining where Thomas Cranmer in the Book of Common Prayer came up with “let no man put usunder” when the King James, and most other translations use “let not man put asunder (or separate)”. That one verse, had me checking various translations of the time and earlier, including Wylcliffe, the Latin Vulgate, the Greek, Luther’s Bible, the Sarum rite and the Use of York rite (pre-reformation), among others.

    Still, it was only one verse (not counting church in the morning, or the extra verses I checked on the project, or studying the Lectionary for future weeks or… oh never mind).

    And if you must know, I did not find out why, yet. All but Cranmer used “let not man” as in all people not a singular person. And yes, I have odd hobbies.

  149. avatar
    JD Reed October 2, 2011 at 8:54 pm #

    I had thought that assertions that Barack Obama;s academic brackground was at least in part fabriicated was limited to the fringe blogosphere, but then I heard a variant from a candidate for a major statewide offiiice state this:
    “You can double check on it, but I’m virtually certain that Obama is not a magna; I don’t believe he graduated with any honors.”
    This guy identifies himself as a Harvard Law magna cum laude graduate.’
    I’m totally convinced that no one could pull off a fraudulent MCL claim running for the most high profile office in the planet, but just to play devil’s advocate, can anyone provide the definitive source to authenticate the president’s academic honors?

  150. avatar
    charo October 2, 2011 at 9:47 pm #

    Northland10: Thomas Cranmer in the Book of Common Prayer

    http://costlygrace.blogspot.com/2011/09/let-no-man-put-asunder.html

  151. avatar
    aarrgghh October 2, 2011 at 10:22 pm #

    JD Reed:
    I had thought that assertions that Barack Obama;s academic brackground was at least in part fabriicated was limited to the fringe blogosphere, but then I heard a variant from a candidate for a major statewide offiiice state this:
    “You can double check on it, but I’m virtually certain that Obama is not a magna; I don’t believe he graduated with any honors.”
    This guy identifies himself as a Harvard Law magna cum laude graduate.’
    I’m totally convinced that no one could pull off a fraudulent MCL claim running for the most high profile office in the planet, but just to play devil’s advocate, can anyone provide the definitive source to authenticate the president’s academic honors?

    if such a very public claim to its honors were false, harvard law itself would have long since stepped forward and scotched it, just as hawaii’s doh would have scotched obama’s claim to being born there. there is no more definitive source. is the devil’s advocate satisfied?

  152. avatar
    Head Researcher October 2, 2011 at 10:41 pm #

    Charo:

    Thank you!!! I am glad you liked it.

    The Head Researcher, as Agent.

  153. avatar
    Whatever4 October 2, 2011 at 11:04 pm #

    JD Reed:
    I had thought that assertions that Barack Obama;s academic brackground was at least in part fabriicated was limited to the fringe blogosphere, but then I heard a variant from a candidate for a major statewide offiiice state this:
    “You can double check on it, but I’m virtually certain that Obama is not a magna; I don’t believe he graduated with any honors.”
    This guy identifies himself as a Harvard Law magna cum laude graduate.’
    I’m totally convinced that no one could pull off a fraudulent MCL claim running for the most high profile office in the planet, but just to play devil’s advocate, can anyone provide the definitive source to authenticate the president’s academic honors?

    From a Harvard publication:

    “The presidential hopeful graduated magna cum laude from the Law School in 1991; his wife earned the degree three years earlier.” http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/

    Speculation about Obama’s political career began even before he graduated magna cum laude in 1991 from the Law School, where he made history as the first black president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review.
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/11/5/obama-wins-in-historic-race-democratic/

  154. avatar
    Expelliarmus October 2, 2011 at 11:18 pm #

    JD Reed: I’m totally convinced that no one could pull off a fraudulent MCL claim running for the most high profile office in the planet, but just to play devil’s advocate, can anyone provide the definitive source to authenticate the president’s academic honors?

    Obama was the President of Law Review as a 3L (3rd year law student). In law school, law review is itself an honors-based selection process, only for the top students. So while it a person could be on law review would not necessarily also graduate magna cum laude, they’d have to be very close.

    Links to information sources:

    New York Times article from 1990:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

    Harvard Crimson article:
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/

    Blog report re confirmation from Harvard that Obama graduated magna cum laude:
    http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/09/harvard-law-school-confirms-obamas-magna-cum-laudie.html

  155. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 3, 2011 at 12:53 am #

    I’m a faithful member of our church’s Monday “Through the Bible” study.

    charo: well, it is Sunday, and I got you to read two Bible verses, which is probably two more than most of you Heathens would have read otherwise!!!

  156. avatar
    sfjeff October 3, 2011 at 1:14 am #

    All the innuendo and speculation that Obama didn’t graduate magna cum laude harks back to the old ‘he was just an affirmative action student’ which of course is code words for “black people couldn’t ever achieve this by merit”

  157. avatar
    G October 3, 2011 at 2:49 am #

    Agreed. That is exactly the dog-whistle implied with all the lines of questioning on his academic record.

    sfjeff: All the innuendo and speculation that Obama didn’t graduate magna cum laude harks back to the old β€˜he was just an affirmative action student’ which of course is code words for “black people couldn’t ever achieve this by merit”

  158. avatar
    Bob J October 3, 2011 at 3:45 am #

    I just saw the WND article about something recent, and forgot what the article was about because I was sidetracked by the comments section. It was there I realized why I am so drawn to this “controversy” ( Oh it was the WND article about the country tearing itself apart about eligibility.). I have lived in South Korea for the last 2 years. It can be a very difficult country to understand for an American. For instance, people don’t like touching hands or money during transactions because it is “dirty”; yet people eat communal meals with chopsticks.
    I follow the birthers, and their crazy, because I know where the crazy comes from. I know that people who don’t have proof for their argument yell louder, insult and make up something they can verify through the vastness of the Internet and/or like-minded delusional.The way that fringe conspirators, like the birthers operate, are like other American conspiracy movements; Moon Landing Hoax, Flat Earth, Illuminati/ Bilderberg, Aliens at Roswell, et etal.
    I love my country because of the people like the birthers. They push me to actually study primary documents ( Never in a 100 years would I have read Minor v Happerstatt [s.p?]), and it is entertaining to be called, mutually exclusive, terms in CAPS. I love their tenacity and unwavering belief in the face of overwhelming evidence. I love the true American right to believe in anything through relativism.

  159. avatar
    Bob J October 3, 2011 at 3:47 am #

    Sorry, during my revision process my attempt to correct etal in the penultimate paragraph posted the above post. Sorry for the grammar and spelling mistakes contained in the above. I also love that birthers is still a term that spell check flags.

  160. avatar
    Judge Mental October 3, 2011 at 6:15 am #

    sfjeff: All the innuendo and speculation that Obama didn’t graduate magna cum laude harks back to the old β€˜he was just an affirmative action student’ which of course is code words for “black people couldn’t ever achieve this by merit”

    To be fair Obama himself voluntarily alluded to him having benefited from affirmative action policies during his academic career, including some parts of the Harvard Law Review selection procedure.

    On the other hand it is preposterous and wholly unrealistic for anyone to suggest that affirmative action benefits played any direct or significant part in his magna cum laude achievement.

  161. avatar
    Rickey October 3, 2011 at 10:08 am #

    To the surprise of no one here, the Supreme Court officially denied cert in Keyes v. Bowen today.

  162. avatar
    Rickey October 3, 2011 at 11:43 am #

    No. 10-1351
    Title:
    Alan Keyes, et al., Petitioners
    v.
    Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State, et al.
    Docketed: May 4, 2011
    Lower Ct: Court of Appeal of California, Third Appellate District
    Case Nos.: (C062321)
    Decision Date: October 25, 2010
    Discretionary Court
    Decision Date: February 2, 2011

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    May 2 2011 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due June 3, 2011)
    May 25 2011 Waiver of right of respondent Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State to respond filed.
    Jun 2 2011 Waiver of right of respondents President Barack Obama, and Vice-President Joseph Biden Jr. to respond filed.
    Jun 2 2011 Waiver of right of respondents 55 California Presidential Electors of 2008, (Aleita Huguenin, et al.) to respond filed.
    Jun 15 2011 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of September 26, 2011.
    Oct 3 2011 Petition DENIED.

  163. avatar
    Joey October 3, 2011 at 1:04 pm #

    I am SHOCKED that the Supreme Court would deny Orly Taitz yet again. ObamaReleaseYourRecords over at birtherreport.com is blaming this latest rejection on Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan for refusing to recuse themselves (even though it only takes four votes to grant cert and there are FIVE conservatives on thei high court, rendering Kagan’s and Sotomayor’s votes irrelevant).
    I guess Justices Roberts, Kennedy, Alito, Thomas and Scalia just won’t “do the right [birther] thing.” πŸ˜‰

  164. avatar
    Rickey October 3, 2011 at 3:45 pm #

    Joey:
    I am SHOCKED that the Supreme Court would deny Orly Taitz yet again. ObamaReleaseYourRecords over at birtherreport.com is blaming this latest rejection on Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan for refusing to recuse themselves (even though it only takes four votes to grant cert and there are FIVE conservatives on thei high court, rendering Kagan’s and Sotomayor’s votes irrelevant).
    I guess Justices Roberts, Kennedy, Alito, Thomas and Scalia just won’t “do the right [birther] thing.”

    This time it was Gary Kreep who was denied. When the case was appealed, Alan Keyes and perhaps one other defendant dumped Orly and had Kreep carry on, so Orly had nothing to do with this appeal.

    Otherwise, your comments are spot on.

  165. avatar
    Joey October 3, 2011 at 4:06 pm #

    Yeah, as soon as I had hit the “submit” button, I remembered that this was a Kreep lawsuit. Thanks for the correction.

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    JoZeppy October 3, 2011 at 6:04 pm #

    Joey: I am SHOCKED that the Supreme Court would deny Orly Taitz yet again. ObamaReleaseYourRecords over at birtherreport.com is blaming this latest rejection on Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan for refusing to recuse themselves (even though it only takes four votes to grant cert and there are FIVE conservatives on thei high court, rendering Kagan’s and Sotomayor’s votes irrelevant).I guess Justices Roberts, Kennedy, Alito, Thomas and Scalia just won’t “do the right [birther] thing.”

    Just to point out how irrelevant Sotomayor and Kagan are in the denial of cert. This, as with all birther cases, the respondents waived the right to reply to the petition. If the Court is even going to remotely entertain the petition, the respondents will be requested to file some sort of response to the petition. It only take ONE justice to request a response from a respondent. So out of the 5 conservative justices, not even ONE felt this petition (or any other birther petition for cert), had enough merit to need any response.

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    Joey October 3, 2011 at 6:17 pm #

    JoZeppy: Just to point out how irrelevant Sotomayor and Kagan are in the denial of cert.This, as with all birther cases, the respondents waived the right to reply to the petition.If the Court is even going to remotely entertain the petition, the respondents will be requested to file some sort of response to the petition.It only take ONE justice to request a response from a respondent.So out of the 5 conservative justices, not even ONE felt this petition (or any other birther petition for cert), had enough merit to need any response.

    Some birthers believe that before the secret Masonic (no Bilble) 2nd swearing in ceremony, Obama threatened Roberts and the rest of the High Court with death and/ofr with the deaths of their children at the hands of the Chicago Mafia if they ever ruled against him on eligibility.
    That’s why in 17 attempts for writs or applications for injunctions/stays, the birthers have lost them all at the Supreme Court.

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    JoZeppy October 3, 2011 at 6:55 pm #

    Joey: Some birthers believe that before the secret Masonic (no Bilble) 2nd swearing in ceremony, Obama threatened Roberts and the rest of the High Court with death and/ofr with the deaths of their children at the hands of the Chicago Mafia if they ever ruled against him on eligibility.That’s why in 17 attempts for writs or applications for injunctions/stays, the birthers have lost them all at the Supreme Court.

    So Obama threatened them on eligility only? You’d think if his threats were that effective, the result in Citizens United might have been different.

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    aarrgghh October 3, 2011 at 8:26 pm #

    Joey: Somebirthers believe that before the secret Masonic(no Bilble) 2nd swearing in ceremony, Obama threatened Roberts and the rest of the High Court with deathand/ofr with the deaths of their children at the hands of the Chicago Mafia if they ever ruled against him on eligibility.
    That’s why in 17 attemptsfor writs or applications for injunctions/stays, the birthers have lost them all at the Supreme Court.

    while others are sure roberts et al are totally in on it — no coercion necessary:

    “Obama knew and when did he know it. Did Justice Roberts give him a clue sometime before the private swearing in ceremony after a phoney botched public ceremony. I’ve often wondered if the private affair which I think did not use a Christian bible actually used something akin to the Queran. Robert’s needs to clear this up along with the actual words used such as’ defend the Constitution against all enemies’.”

    ah yes, justice roberts, can you clear this up for the citizen’s grand jury? and please speak clearly into the microphone, thank you …

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    Head Researcher October 3, 2011 at 9:42 pm #

    A IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT from The Birther Think Tank:

    As of October 1, 2011, The Birther Think Tank has enlarged its original mission to include the de-bunking of what I call the Vattle Birthers, who are people who believe it takes two citizen parents for a person to be a natural born citizen and eligible for the presidency. Their beliefs are based primarily on the writings of Emerich de Vattel in his book, The Law of Nations. (I purposely mis-spell his name as Vattle to tease them.) These people are either liars, or complete idiots who believe the core of liars. They are an embarrassment to regular Common Sense Suspicious Birthers. The law is clear that if you are born in the United States, then you are a natural born citizen. Internet articles relating to this CULT, can be found under Anti-Vattel Birther Analysis.

    The Head Researcher.

    Sooo, now instead of just clobbering Obots WITH LOGIC, I will also be clobbering Vattle Birthers.

    The Head Researcher, as Agent.

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    The Magic M October 4, 2011 at 10:01 am #

    Head Researcher: I will also be clobbering Vattle Birthers

    But don’t try logic, that won’t fly with them. It only gets you labelled “Obot” as well. πŸ˜‰

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    Daniel October 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm #

    I see your strategy “G”, by making her think her “writings” have merit, you’re slowly turning her into an Obot lol

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    Head Researcher October 4, 2011 at 12:42 pm #

    Magic M:

    LOL!!! OH, the Vattle Birthers have already started calling me a Obot. They are just mad because I am beating them like carpets over a clothesline WITH LOGIC!!! One of them even said that Dr. C sent me there to be-devil them!!! But don’t worry. I still have plenty of energy to give you Obots a good whacking!!!

    OH PLUS, I am getting really good at reading these case thingies and I have discovered a Secret Book on this stuff that I don’t think nobody, not even you Obots have discovered!!! I would quote straight from it, but the Vattle Birthers would use it just to mislead people in a big way. But I have already discovered stuff that I will use to clobber them some more.

    The Head Researcher, as Agent.

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    Daniel October 4, 2011 at 2:11 pm #

    Ahhh, secret books…

    If only there weren’t quite so many “secret” books that any Tom, Dick and Hairless with internet and Google could find with one click.

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    Ballantine October 4, 2011 at 2:16 pm #

    Head Researcher: Magic M:LOL!!! OH, the Vattle Birthers have already started calling me a Obot. They are just mad because I am beating them like carpets over a clothesline WITH LOGIC!!! One of them even said that Dr. C sent me there to be-devil them!!! But don’t worry. I still have plenty of energy to give you Obots a good whacking!!!OH PLUS, I am getting really good at reading these case thingies and I have discovered a Secret Book on this stuff that I don’t think nobody, not even you Obots have discovered!!! I would quote straight from it, but the Vattle Birthers would use it just to mislead people in a big way. But I have already discovered stuff that I will use to clobber them some more. The Head Researcher, as Agent.

    I’ve seen you taking on the Vattle Birthers and think you are doing great. Sadly, some of those freepers cannot be argued with. One of them insists on re-writing any authority you cite to her, claiming it says exactly the opposite of what it actually says. Arguing with her is akin to banging one’s head against the law. Though you seem to have plenty of resources, feel free to come here for more. Here are some that might be helpful:

    http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html

    Here are 400 books that disagree with the Vattle Birthers. This usually blows their minds.

    http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com/2010/10/view-of-constitution-of-united-states.html

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    JoZeppy October 4, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

    aarrgghh: Joey: Somebirthers believe that before the secret Masonic(no Bilble) 2nd swearing in ceremony, Obama threatened Roberts and the rest of the High Court with deathand/ofr with the deaths of their children at the hands of the Chicago Mafia if they ever ruled against him on eligibility.
    That’s why in 17 attemptsfor writs or applications for injunctions/stays, the birthers have lost them all at the Supreme Court.
    while others are sure roberts et al are totally in on it — no coercion necessary:
    “Obama knew and when did he know it. Did Justice Roberts give him a clue sometime before the private swearing in ceremony after a phoney botched public ceremony. I’ve often wondered if the private affair which I think did not use a Christian bible actually used something akin to the Queran. Robert’s needs to clear this up along with the actual words used such as’ defend the Constitution against all enemies’.”
    ah yes, justice roberts, can you clear this up for the citizen’s grand jury? and please speak clearly into the microphone, thank you …

    Of couse these idiots ignore the fact that the second swearing was not private, and no book of any sort was actually used.

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    Rickey October 4, 2011 at 3:50 pm #

    JoZeppy: Of couse these idiots ignore the fact that the second swearing was not private, and no book of any sort was actually used.

    And Obama could have been sworn in with his hand on the phone book and it would have been valid.

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    Joey October 4, 2011 at 4:42 pm #

    Rickey: And Obama could have been sworn in with his hand on the phone book and it would have been valid.

    I was hoping that he’d be sworn in the second time using “The Law of Nations!” πŸ˜‰

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    aarrgghh October 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm #

    JoZeppy: Of couse these idiots ignore the fact that the second swearing was not private, and no book of any sort was actually used.

    … and notice the claim that obama “actually used something akin to the Queran”, whatever that is; a lame hedge betraying the speaker’s awareness that claiming obama did indeed swear himself in on a koran is, at least for this birfer, a step too far into toontown, as if he hadn’t already set up a homestead there.

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    Sef October 4, 2011 at 6:21 pm #

    JoZeppy: Of couse these idiots ignore the fact that the second swearing was not private, and no book of any sort was actually used.

    All this discussion of the President’s swearing in misses the point that, while the Constitution requires the oath it does not say when it should be administered. Obama became President at noon on the 20th when the term of his predecessor ended. The oath was not a gating item for him to have the full rights and responsibilities as President. Yes, it needed to be done, and it was done.