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Mike Huckabee falls off birther wagon

I firmly believe that the Constitution of the United States grants to every American the inalienable right to make a fool of himself or herself on TV (so long as they keep their clothes on). Mike Huckabee is no exception. Here’s the exchange between conservative host Bill O’Reilly and Huckabee:

O’REILLY: Because of the media, the perception is if you don’t release [your tax returns], you’re trying to hide something. Look, Romney doesn’t want his tax returns in the hands of The New York Times because they’re going to cherry-pick it and make him look like a greedhead and he doesn’t want to give them any more ammo. You know what this is all about.

HUCKABEE: Absolutely. And the thing is you get zero credit from the media for releasing them and then you buy yourselves a lot of grief. The question is, why would you help load a gun that’s pointed at your own head?

O’REILLY: Because the people, the folks, most of them, want you to. I think that’s the answer to your question.

HUCKABEE: Well, but he has to forcefully tell it why he’s not going to, why it’s irrelevant, say, "Look, I’ve disclosed more than I need to." Let him make this challenge: "I’ll release my tax returns when Barack Obama releases his college transcripts [O’REILLY: laughs] and the copy of his admission records to show whether he got any loans as a foreign student. When he releases that, talk to me about my tax returns."

 

Matt Romney’s similar comment, was later represented as a joke. I believed it, but now I’m not so sure. This may be a concerted under-the-table way to slip in birther doubts into the main stream. The non sequitur here is that it is not Barack Obama who is asking Romney for his tax returns: it is his fellow Republicans. Obama has nothing to do with this. In any case, Huckabee is offering abysmally stupid advice to candidate Romney.

The idea that Obama received loans as a foreign student was an April Fool’s prank. The birthers never got the memo.

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36 Responses to Mike Huckabee falls off birther wagon

  1. avatar
    John January 21, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    Obama’s college records have never been disclosed. People theorize that Obama got foreign aid since he was born in Kenya. But even if Obama was born in Hawaii, people believe that Obama was able to get foreign aid as Indonesian Citizen.

  2. avatar
    Geir Smith January 21, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    Why do you say he made a fool of himself. It’s not foolish to suppose Obama got a foreigh student’s loan.

    I don’t really know where you’re coming from and it’s suspicious especially what you say in your regular articles at b4in.

    What makes you the spacialist on the insider secrets of Barack H Obama (check if name is real or not.)?

  3. avatar
    John January 21, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    It is believed Obama was Indonesian citizen since he was a little kid. Obama probably used his Indonesian citizenship to obtain a passport for entry into Pakistan as it was difficult (But not impossible) to visit Pakistan as an American Citizen. Obama might have also used his Indonesian Citizenship to further his college career in the way of foreign aid.

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    gorefan January 21, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    Didn’t Huckabee go down the birther road before – something about the President being raised in Kenya?

    And this is a false equivalency as the President has already released his tax returns. Huck wants him to produce even more documents.

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Yes, see:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/03/mike-huckabees-bizarre-interview/

    gorefan: Didn’t Huckabee go down the birther road before – something about the President being raised in Kenya?

  6. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    What you believe is irrelevant.

    John: It is believed Obama was Indonesian citizen since he was a little kid

  7. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    I think the word is “fantasize” not “therorize.”

    John: People theorize that Obama got foreign aid since he was born in Kenya.

  8. avatar
    gorefan January 21, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    John: People theorize that Obama got foreign aid since he was born in Kenya.

    People also theorize that President Bush planned the 9/11 attacks. Do you buy into that fantasy also?

  9. avatar
    Obsolete January 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    John,
    please show us these easy foreign aid programs for students from Kenya and Indonesia. I have yet to see birthers point to any actual programs, much less ones that would have helped Obama more than what he could have received as an American (using all his fake ID’s that he masterminded as a teenager).
    On second thought- don’t bother. You won’t find any. Don’t you have some judges to spank somewhere?

  10. avatar
    nbc January 21, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    John: It is believed Obama was Indonesian citizen since he was a little kid.

    Note the absence of any evidence…. No wonder that the birther count is now 0-96…

  11. avatar
    Northland10 January 21, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    John: It is believed Obama was Indonesian citizen since he was a little kid

    “it is believed…” by whom, how many, with what authority, what is your source? Both of your comments contain, people believe, people theorize, it is believed, etc. That is sloppy and useless as it could mean anything (a couple of cranks, one upset birther, etc.). You are attempting to create the sense of a largely believed concept with no source to back it up. It may work on birthers who care little for facts, but not here.

    Oddly enough, I found the same use of “it is believed” and “it is evident” with little or no source on a Wikipedia article on Rationality. The article is flagged as missing appropriate citations. Since I have not spent time with process on Wikipedia, I am not sure how to flag the sloppy use on the article.

  12. avatar
    mitch January 21, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    I don’t care for Huckabee’s politics, but I’ve always respected his opinions. No more. I’m very disappointed in him.

  13. avatar
    Scientist January 21, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    John: Obama’s college records have never been disclosed. People theorize that Obama got foreign aid since he was born in Kenya. But even if Obama was born in Hawaii, people believe that Obama was able to get foreign aid as Indonesian Citizen.

    Can anyone link me to the “foreign aid” that an Indonesian citizen living in Hawaii and graduating from a US high school would be eligible for?

  14. avatar
    misha January 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    mitch:
    I don’t care for Huckabee’s politics, but I’ve always respected his opinions. No more. I’m very disappointed in him.

    I never have. Huckabee does not believe in the 1st Amendment:

    “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards…”

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/11/few-words-from-mike-huckabee.html

    Huck also joined in the trashing of Helen Thomas when she spoke against the Settlers.

  15. avatar
    Sef January 21, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    John:
    It is believed Obama was Indonesian citizen since he was a little kid.Obama probably used his Indonesian citizenship to obtain a passport for entry into Pakistan as it was difficult (But not impossible) to visit Pakistan as an American Citizen.Obama might have also used his Indonesian Citizenship to further his college career in the way of foreign aid.

    The vast number of things that people believe shows that it’s time for electric Monks to start believing things for them, although the Monk factory would need to continuously turn out replacement copies for birthers as they would instantly self-destruct when switched on.

  16. avatar
    misha January 21, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    gorefan: People also theorize that President Bush planned the 9/11 attacks.Do you buy into that fantasy also?

    The moon landing…don’t forget the moon landing.

    Here’s what happened to one schmuck:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

  17. avatar
    Lord Basil January 21, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    nbc: Note the absence of any evidence….No wonder that the birther count is now 0-96…

    Look at his school registration. He couldn’t do that if he wasn’t a citizen of Indonesia.

    Note that it also lists his religion as “Muslim.”

    The way the liberal media has covered up this critical story – as well as his possible role in the murder of Donald Young – is shameful. This man was clearly not vetted. I have never seen a media more in the tank for any one person in my entire life. I hardly recognize the country I fought for in Vietnam anymore.

  18. avatar
    nbc January 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm #

    Lord Basil: Look at his school registration. He couldn’t do that if he wasn’t a citizen of Indonesia.

    Again, that is incorrect. One does not have to be a citizen of Indonesia to go to their schools. The document you refer to also lists him as born in Hawaii. Since a child cannot abandon his birthright citizenship, even IF his parents had somehow managed to have him become a citizen of Indonesia, which was not possible, he would still have remained a natural born citizen.

    Such are the facts.

    Note once again that you provided NO support for your claims that ‘he couldn’t do that’…

    Rather than lament on your times in Nam, why not return to our Nation and show some evidence of novel and independent thought?

  19. avatar
    Sef January 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    Lord Basil: Look at his school registration. He couldn’t do that if he wasn’t a citizen of Indonesia.

    Note that it also lists his religion as “Muslim.”

    Lolo just filled in what he thought they wanted to hear. What part of “he was 6 years old” don’t you get?

  20. avatar
    nbc January 21, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    Obama could not have become a citizen of Indonesia under Indonesia Law even if he had been adopted by Soetoro. There exists no evidence that Obama was ever legally adopted by his step-father.

    (1)A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.

    Source: Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia

    Dr Conspiracy also presented an overview that exposes your follies

    Glad to have been of help. Are you familiar with SCOTUS rulings on children born on US soil, whose parents move abroad? Are you aware that they ruled that such citizens could not lose their citizenship birthright due to naturalization through their parents?

  21. avatar
    Northland10 January 21, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    Lord Mugwort: The way the liberal media has covered up this critical story – as well as his possible role in the murder of Donald Young – is shameful.

    Bearing false witness is shameful. One of the values many in America hold dear is honor, and you sir, show none.

  22. avatar
    SluggoJD January 21, 2012 at 9:30 pm #

    Lord Basil: Look at his school registration.He couldn’t do that if he wasn’t a citizen of Indonesia.

    Note that it also lists his religion as “Muslim.”

    The way the liberal media has covered up this critical story – as well as his possible role in the murder of Donald Young – is shameful.This man was clearly not vetted.I have never seen a media more in the tank for any one person in my entire life.I hardly recognize the country I fought for in Vietnam anymore.

    LOL. What a fake. This crap is like rookie James O’Keefe practice crap, before he got his official right wing asshole scumbag piece of trash liar badge. You failed the test dude, gotta do a lot better!!

  23. avatar
    misha January 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    Lord Basil: Note that it also lists his religion as “Muslim.”

    US Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3: “…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

    There are a few countries who mix church and state. I’ll just name the big ones: Iran, Pakistan, and our favorite, Afghanistan.

    I suggest you learn about seperation of church and state. Otherwise, we get this: God told me to invade Iraq. – GW Bush

    Lord Basil: I hardly recognize the country I fought for in Vietnam anymore.

    It’s still the same country. Just look at Iraq. Instead of the Domino Theory, WMDs were invented, both from whole cloth. Instead of Rumsfeld, we had Robert Strange McNamara. And yes, that really was his middle name.

  24. avatar
    JPotter January 21, 2012 at 10:13 pm #

    Sef: Lolo just filled in what he thought they wanted to hear. What part of “he was 6 years old” don’t you get?

    You mean what your parents write on a form when you are barely old enough to read determines your life choices permanently? Sounds kinda medieval, but, sure why not. Dang, teenagers are gonna be pissed.

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    Did you read the articles referenced above? It should be more than obvious that the suggestion Obama attended college as a foreign student is laughable. In fact I laugh at you, you silly Frog.

    Geir Smith: Why do you say he made a fool of himself. It’s not foolish to suppose Obama got a foreigh student’s loan.

  26. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    I note that the media has also ignored your possible connection to the bombing of the USS Cole.

    Lord Basil: The way the liberal media has covered up this critical story – as well as his possible role in the murder of Donald Young – is shameful.

  27. avatar
    Whatever4 January 21, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

    JPotter: You mean what your parents write on a form when you are barely old enough to read determines your life choices permanently? Sounds kinda medieval, but, sure why not. Dang, teenagers are gonna be pissed.

    Not to mention that the kid couldn’t even speak (let alone read) the language of instruction for months. His teachers relate how there was quite a bit of pointing and miming going on in the first year Barry was in school.

  28. avatar
    jayhg January 21, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    John: Obama’s college records have never been disclosed. People theorize that Obama got foreign aid since he was born in Kenya. But even if Obama was born in Hawaii, people believe that Obama was able to get foreign aid as Indonesian Citizen.

    No, not people, just dumb ass birthers……

  29. avatar
    jayhg January 21, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    John: It is believed Obama was Indonesian citizen since he was a little kid. Obama probably used his Indonesian citizenship to obtain a passport for entry into Pakistan as it was difficult (But not impossible) to visit Pakistan as an American Citizen. Obama might have also used his Indonesian Citizenship to further his college career in the way of foreign aid.

    Probably…..might have…..look out people, John is going to perp walk President Obama from the White House by noon tomorrow…..dumb ass, deluded birther.

  30. avatar
    jayhg January 21, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    Lord Basil: Look at his school registration. He couldn’t do that if he wasn’t a citizen of Indonesia.Note that it also lists his religion as “Muslim.”The way the liberal media has covered up this critical story – as well as his possible role in the murder of Donald Young – is shameful. This man was clearly not vetted. I have never seen a media more in the tank for any one person in my entire life. I hardly recognize the country I fought for in Vietnam anymore.

    Liar…….you’ve never been anywhere near Vietnam!

  31. avatar
    JPotter January 21, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    jayhg: Probably…..might have…..look out people, John is going to perp walk President Obama from the White House by noon tomorrow…..dumb ass, deluded birther.

    Time for a session on dependent probabilities for all those birthers out there! Guess what? The more “maybe”s it takes to get from an initial requirement to the desired concluion, the less likely the desired conclusion becomes.

  32. avatar
    misha January 21, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

    Lord Basil: I hardly recognize the country I fought for in Vietnam anymore.

    OK, what’s the distance in km, from Hue to Saigon? Is Saigon known by any other name?

  33. avatar
    US Citizen January 22, 2012 at 2:51 am #

    Who cares about his college transcript?
    He became a lawyer, professor, author, senator and the most powerful man in the US and what classes he chose or grades he received make any difference how?
    And why is this info a necessity for Huckabee to release his own records?
    I don’t understand how a person can appear sincere if they evade a question like this with an easy jab instead of a seriously prepared statement.
    Birther-like in spirit I’d call it. Not direct, but same tinge of “I just can’t believe black teflon exists, he must be hiding something somewhere.”

  34. avatar
    Geir Smith January 24, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: What you believe is irrelevant.

    I second that. Obama must face the mob now.

  35. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    He has a press secretary for that. It does remind me of the last birther mob Carl Swensson got together in Georgia:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/rally6_thumb.jpg

    Geir Smith: Obama must face the mob now.

  36. avatar
    misha January 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    Geir Smith: Obama must face the mob now.

    Huckabee and his ilk are rabble rousers. You just proved it.