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Wooldridge on Obama’s social-security number

A Google alert sent me over to the News With Views web site and an article by Frosty Wooldridge: Our Fraudulent President Cannot Pass an E-Verify Check.

Let me pose a question to Mr. Wooldridge: What would you do if you were the subject of a conspiracy theory held by millions of people, and your social-security number were all over the Internet, returning 223,000 hits on Google?

Screenshot of Google search returning 230,000 for Obama name and SSN

Wouldn’t you apply for a new number? I would.

Mr. Wooldridge says “Something is rotten in Denmark.” I think the problem lies between Mr. Wooldridge’s ears.

49 Responses to Wooldridge on Obama’s social-security number

  1. avatar
    richCares February 11, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    That 1890 stuff shows up on an inquery that also shows the address that Obama lived at in the 70’s, plus 1890 was not in the date field. But birthers love it.

  2. avatar
    Thinker February 11, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    A Georgia teenager was arrested last month for allegedly using the SSN of a White House official on a credit card application, a number he says he found on the internet. The article doesn’t say that it was Obama’s pre-birfer SSN, but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. http://www.ajc.com/news/cops-teen-used-white-1290701.html

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    Paul Pieniezny February 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    richCares:
    That 1890 stuff shows up on an inquery that also shows the address that Obama lived at in the 70′s, plus 1890 was not in the date field. But birthers love it.

    Er, surely you mean 90’s and not 70’s? I have already explained how a common data entry error could have caused a 90 to have been entered instead of 61, a 90 which was later turned into 1890 when precautions were made against the 2k problem.

    In the 70’s, Obama was first in Indonesia, then in Hawaii.

  4. avatar
    richCares February 11, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    In the 70′s, Obama was first in Indonesia, then in Hawaii.
    .
    records show he got his ssn in 1977 (70’s)
    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

  5. avatar
    gorefan February 11, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

    Paul Pieniezny: turned into 1890

    In one of Susan Daniels database entries the same Massachusetts address has both the 1890 date and a 1990 date. Daniels just never talks about the 1990 date.

  6. avatar
    Rickey February 11, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Also, if the person who was issued that SSN was born in 1890, he or she would be dead by now, which means that a copy of the person’s SS-5 could be ordered. The oldest living American is Besse Cooper of Georgia, who was born in 1896.

    Of course, anyone who ordered the SS-5 would be turned down, since the person it was issued to is still alive.

    I wonder if it has occurred to any birther to order the SS-5 of Bari Shabazz?

  7. avatar
    RuhRoh February 11, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    IANAL, but it seems that a judge would need to ensure that any decision he rendered was in concert with the current law.

  8. avatar
    richCares February 11, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    The entry containing the 1890 value clearly show ssn issued 1979-1980, which means the 121 yr old guy was 87 years old when he got his ssn and hasn’t died yet, sure buddy! That 1990 one also shows being issued in 1997-1998, he got that when he was 100 years old, Daniels is an idiot!

  9. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny February 11, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    richCares:
    In the 70′s, Obama was first in Indonesia, then in Hawaii.
    .
    records show he got his ssn in 1977 (70′s)
    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

    Yes, but both 1890 and 1990 are associated with an address in Boston where Obama is known to have lived at in 1990.

  10. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny February 11, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    gorefan: In one of Susan Daniels database entries the same Massachusetts address has both the 1890 date and a 1990 date.Daniels just never talks about the 1990 date.

    Surely, Susan Daniels would not be trying to obfuscate the fact that there is a simple explanation for that 1890 date (ie automatic 2k conversion) rather than something odious like Obama being a vampire or the intervention of the Tardis?

  11. avatar
    Tarrant February 11, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    In the birther universe, there are NEVER typos or errors, like the one that could easily explain a Connecticut SSN. Everything for the past 50 or so years was done specifically to keep the USURPER’S eligibility problems hidden.

    It’s a perfect explanation.

  12. avatar
    David February 11, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    Orly’s witness Linda Jordan fraudulently represented herself as Barack Obama to use the E-verify program’s Self Check service, as explained here by Jerome Corsi:
    http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/344461/
    Here are the terms of use for using Self Check:
    https://selfcheck.uscis.gov/SelfCheckUI/
    from which I quote:
    Under “Security”-:
    “Unauthori-zed use of this system may result in criminal, civil and/or administra-tive penalties.-”
    Under “Your Use of Self Check”:
    “By using the Self Check service, you agree that you will not submit biographic-al or employment authorizat-ion document data that relates to anyone other than yourself.”
    Under “Jurisdict-ion”:
    “Unauthori-zed access is a violation of the laws of the United States (U.S.) and the policies of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and may result in administra-tive or criminal penalties. Users shall not attempt to access other users’ files or system files without prior authorizat-ion. Absence of access controls is not an authorizat-ion to access or a waiver of applicable laws or Department policies.”
    It’s ironic that Jerome Corsi finally comes up with proof of somebody actually committing fraud, and it’s someone he’s using as a source.

  13. avatar
    Arthur February 11, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    Paul Pieniezny: Surely, Susan Daniels would not be trying to obfuscate the fact that there is a simple explanation for that 1890

    Of course not, Paul! And don’t call me Shirley.

  14. avatar
    Northland10 February 11, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    Tarrant: In the birther universe, there are NEVER typos or errors,

    Absolutely… just ask rly.

  15. avatar
    misha February 12, 2012 at 3:35 am #

    Arthur: And don’t call me Shirley.

    ‘The shortest book ever written? Jewish sports heros.’

    Extra credit: how many matadors were Jewish? Exactly one.

  16. avatar
    Majority Will February 12, 2012 at 6:38 am #

    misha: The shortest book ever written? Jewish sports heros.’

    Extra credit: how many matadors were Jewish? Exactly one.

    I’ll take quality over quantity.

    Sandy Koufax, Ryan Braun, Shawn Green, Ken Holtzman, Max Baer, Marty Hogan, Al Rosen, Dara Torres, Sid Luckman, Hank Greenberg, and Mark Spitz to name a few.

  17. avatar
    RetiredLawyer February 12, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    Majority Will: I’ll take quality over quantity.

    Sandy Koufax, Ryan Braun, Shawn Green, Ken Holtzman, Max Baer, Marty Hogan, Al Rosen, Dara Torres, Sid Luckman, Hank Greenberg, and Mark Spitz to name a few.

    Way back in my childhood, in the 50’s I received for a birthday or Chanukah (both in December) a book of “Jewish Sport Heroes” and one entitled “They Fought Too”, a compilation of stories about Jewish war heroes from WII. If I remember correctly, each book was around 150 to 170 pages and had a sports figure or a hero about every page and a half. The most interesting thing about the sports book was how many Jewish sports figures there were in the early part of the 20th Century and in the second half of the 19th.

  18. avatar
    Majority Will February 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    RetiredLawyer: Way back in my childhood, in the 50′s I received for a birthday or Chanukah (both in December) a book of “Jewish Sport Heroes” and one entitled “They Fought Too”, a compilation of stories about Jewish war heroes from WII.If I remember correctly, each book was around 150 to 170 pages and had a sports figure or a hero about every page and a half.The most interesting thing about the sports book was how many Jewish sports figures there were in the early part of the 20th Century and in the second half of the 19th.

    More boxers than most people probably realize.

    Thanks.

  19. avatar
    Steve February 13, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    Just for the sake of argument, if the birthers were right about this and Obama did obtain his Social Security Number fraudulently as they claimed he did 34 years ago, how could he or anyone who could have been associated with the crime be prosecuted? I’d assume whatever statute of limitations there are for such a crime have expired and he was a juvenile at the time. I’d also imagine the likely co-conspirators are already dead.

  20. avatar
    mary h February 19, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    doesn;t matter what he does cause he could tear up all our laws and make his own, bankrupt us, takeall our freedom from us turn us into a communist country and his sheep will be fine with it. well sheeple that is what he is doing and good luck to you that want america to go down. fight for him. be good and loyal to your leader. see if he fights for you. unless someone is brave enough to stand up to him you will get what you want. a country like iran.

  21. avatar
    Arthur February 19, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

    Mary:

    Not only are you pathologically obtuse, you have a moronically exaggerated understanding of presidential power. Also, your punctuation sucks. Other than that, I’m sure you’re a wonderful grandmother. Just work on that punctuation.

    mary h: doesn;t matter what he does cause he could tear up all our laws and make his own, bankrupt us, takeall our freedom from us turn us into a communist country and his sheep will be fine with it.

  22. avatar
    G February 19, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

    *waaaaaaah!!!*

    You sure have quite a diseased imagination! Thankfully, the real world is nothing like your pants pissing nightmares….

    mary h: doesn;t matter what he does cause he could tear up all our laws and make his own, bankrupt us, takeall our freedom from us turn us into a communist country and his sheep will be fine with it. well sheeple that is what he is doing and good luck to you that want america to go down. fight for him. be good and loyal to your leader. see if he fights for you. unless someone is brave enough to stand up to him you will get what you want. a country like iran.

  23. avatar
    Majority Will February 19, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    mary h:
    doesn;t matter what he doescause he could tear up all our laws and make his own, bankrupt us, takeall our freedom from us turn us into a communist country and his sheep will be fine with it. well sheeple that is what he is doing and good luck to you that want america to go down. fight for him. be good and loyal to your leader. see if he fights for you. unless someone is brave enough to stand up to him you will get what you want. a country like iran.

    I’m so glad you understand.

    Are you packed? The FEMA Camp buses will be coming to pick you up very soon.

    Don’t get all freaked out if bin Laden is your driver (Shhh! That’s supposed to be a secret!).

    And remember, sharp objects are NOT allowed (you really shouldn’t have them anyway).

    Praise the Leader!

  24. avatar
    mary h February 19, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    i am not a birther or a tea party member as a matter a fact im democrat but i listened to this mans campain speeches and heard him lie. and he has been lying ever since. I researched things i was hearing for myself and found so many things about him. But unlike the rest of you I do not follow blindly. these are things you should open your eyes too and stop being in denial. bill ayers. khalidi, acorn. the chicago project, cair, solandra. rezko conneutiction, fast and furious, saying he will wait until after election to deport illegals[how crummy. his adoption by lolo sotero, hidden papers, joe young, reverand wright who he said he parted with but still met with him numerous times. stop the denying and do some research. while your at it check on who funded his college tuit.Before you start calling these people names do alittle research of your own that is if you care at all who is in charge.

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 19, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    Illiterate and out of touch with reality is a bad combination. However, if you really don’t like Obama all that much, there is an election coming up.

    mary h: doesn;t matter what he does cause he could tear up all our laws and make his own, bankrupt us, takeall our freedom from us turn us into a communist country and his sheep will be fine with it. well sheeple that is what he is doing and good luck to you that want america to go down. fight for him. be good and loyal to your leader. see if he fights for you. unless someone is brave enough to stand up to him you will get what you want. a country like iran.

  26. avatar
    Majority Will February 19, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    mary h:
    i am not a birther

    No, you’re definitely a birther. Also, you don’t get to decide that. It’s determined by the delusional and paranoid stupidity in your posts.

  27. avatar
    Majority Will February 19, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    mary h: I researched things i was hearing for myself and found so many things about him.

    P.S. If you’re geting your information from WorldNetDaily and other RWNJ echo chambers, I have some very disturbing news for you.

  28. avatar
    Arthur February 19, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    mary h: .Before you start calling these people names do alittle research of your own that i

    Take your own advice.

  29. avatar
    Arthur February 19, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    Majority Will: Are you packed? The FEMA Camp buses will be coming to pick you up very soon.
    Don’t get all freaked out if bin Laden is your driver (Shhh! That’s supposed to be a secret!).

    Majority Will:

    Dude! You know the rules–no talking about amp-skay until they’re inside-skay. And for God’s sake, if Osama heard you talking like that, he’d have your stripes!

  30. avatar
    Majority Will February 19, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    Arthur: Majority Will:

    Dude! You know the rules–no talking about amp-skay until they’re inside-skay. And for God’s sake, if Osama heard you talking like that, he’d have your stripes!

    Tee hee!

  31. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 19, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    If you are not a birther, then why did you say in 2008:

    what these idiotic supporters such as google , walmart and the little sheepie doesn”t realize that if barry gets his energy thing passed it will collaspse this country. They will be in the same old proverial boat as the rest of us. What does it take for them to open thier eyes and admit they are wrong about this kenyan.

    Just as proof that you’re not a critical thinker, you seem to have made up a story in your head that this is some kind of pro-Obama web site. If you had taken the time to research instead of just making stuff up, you would have found that this web site in general doesn’t allow the discussion of whether Obama is a good or a bad president.

    Your comment “he does cause he could tear up all our laws and make his own, bankrupt us, takeall our freedom from us turn us into a communist country” is ridiculous to anyone who didn’t drop out of school in the 5th grade. The Congress makes the laws, not the President. It’s this “checks and balances” thing.

    Iran is a country run by religious fundamentalists. Barack Obama is not a religious fundamentalist. If you don’t want the US to be like Iran, you might do better to attack the religious fundamentalist running for President, Rick Santorum.

    You’re welcome to say what you think here, but if you want to enter into actual dialog, you should try not to sound like a raving lunatic. I meant “raving lunatic” to be the best description I could think of to describe how you sound me, not to be insulting. It reminds me of some of the lawsuits filed by inmates in prison psychiatric wards.

    And Barack Obama was never adopted.

    mary h: i am not a birther or a tea party member as a matter a fact im [sic] democrat but i listened to this mans [sic] campain [sic] speeches and heard him lie. and he has been lying ever since. I researched things i was hearing for myself and found so many things about him. But unlike the rest of you I do not follow blindly. these are things you should open your eyes too [sic] and stop being in denial. bill ayers. khalidi, acorn. the chicago project, cair, solandra. rezko conneutiction [sic], fast and furious, saying he will wait until after election to deport illegals[how crummy. his adoption by lolo sotero [sic], hidden papers, joe young, reverand [sic] wright who he said he parted with but still met with him numerous times. stop the denying and do some research. while your at it check on who funded his college tuit.Before you start calling these people names do alittle [sic] research of your own that is if you care at all who is in charge.

  32. avatar
    G February 19, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    So let me guess, you are yet another butt-hurt PUMA.

    The rest of your post just shows how susceptible you are to any pavlovian bogeyman word that your ODS-addled mind can salivate to…

    Ok, back to screeching gloom and doom on street corners for you. Go on, off you go now…

    mary h: i am not a birther or a tea party member as a matter a fact im democrat but i listened to this mans campain speeches and heard him lie. and he has been lying ever since. I researched things i was hearing for myself and found so many things about him

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 19, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

    I thought the PUMAS were extinct. No?

    mary h: i am not a birther or a tea party member as a matter a fact im democrat but i listened to this mans campain speeches and heard him lie. and he has been lying ever since.

  34. avatar
    Arthur February 19, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I thought the PUMAS were extinct. No?

    Well, only natural-born PUMAs are extinct; however, the RNC is trying naturalize some foreign PUMAs and breed them with Ann Coulter or Andrew Breitbart.

  35. avatar
    Daniel February 19, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I thought the PUMAS were extinct. No?

    PUMAs may be but pumas certainly are not. I see them on occasion on my hikes up here

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 19, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    So you didn’t say: “. The man is a disgrqace to america and should be put out of office and sent back to what michelle says is his homeland , Kenya.” Hmmm?

    And then there was: “george was at least an american citizen though he made mistakes he didn:t intentionally try to destroy , our nation as this kenyan is doing.”\

    Oh, and don’t forget “The addrerss he gave in honalua was shady. no one ever saw a white woman a black man and a black baby in or around that neighborhood. And isn:t it strange the governor of hawaii cannot find his birth certificate after telling people he saw one. How much was he paid I wonder.”

    Let me see, this one sounds really birtheresque: “The democrats should all be sentenced for keeping quiet about him not being a natural born citizen. Howard Dean, polosi, reid all knew this from the start.”

    mary h: i am not a birther

  37. avatar
    Arthur February 19, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So you didn’t say: “. The man is a disgrqace to america and should be put out of office and sent back to what michelle says is his homeland , Kenya.” Hmmm?

    There you go again, Dr. C.–how dare you use a person’s own words against her. It’s just like Martha said, you’re nothing but a psychological assault weapon. Your blog is so dangerous it should be registered with the FBI!@!

  38. avatar
    justlw February 20, 2012 at 1:09 am #

    mary h: see if he fights for you.

    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5102/5678309793_6584c14f34_o.jpg

  39. avatar
    G February 20, 2012 at 1:26 am #

    I take it that PUMA Birther Martha Trowbridge’s cries of alarm about Doc C’s site must have made the rounds through the internet dustbin of what remains of PUMA sites these days….

    …Considering how small and insignificant the PUMA movement is, we sure are seeing a sudden uptick of PUMA Birthers showing up out of nowhere to let us know that they are still having tantrums and difficulty coping…

    It must be extremely exhausting to spend 4 years of one’s life in a state of constant petty hysterics…

  40. avatar
    misha February 20, 2012 at 1:26 am #

    mary h: unless someone is brave enough to stand up to him you will get what you want. a country like iran.

    You should be worried about Santorum or Huckabee: “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards…”

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/11/few-words-from-mike-huckabee.html

  41. avatar
    Donna L. Schoening February 20, 2012 at 6:59 am #

    For Dr. Conspiracy –

    Was There An Adoption
    Obama arrived in Indonesia at about the age of five according to most accounts, although it was possible he arrived at the age of six, according to a few sources. At some time, Lolo Soetoro adopted Barry, and Barry would have automatically become an Indonesian citizen according to the country’s laws in the 1960’s, which stipulated any child is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process.

    As evidence that an adoption occurred, there are the following artifacts:

    1. The registration document from the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School, in Jakarta, Indonesia. Barry Soetoro is registered as a “citizen” of Indonesia.

    2. According to Indonesian legal experts, only Indonesian citizens could attend state-operated public schools.

    3. In the divorce documents (page1 and page2), Lolo Soetoro is described as “father” — “husband has not contributed to support of wife and children” — “oldest child in university” — and this curious note, “both mother and child are U. S. citizens while father an Indonesian citizen”

    There is accumulating evidence that Anna was something of an expert at taking advantage living abroad, while carefully keeping one foot in the US of A for herself and her children

  42. avatar
    The Magic M February 20, 2012 at 7:46 am #

    You missed the obvious giveaway birther grammar fail:

    Dr. Conspiracy: […]

    mary h: while your at it

  43. avatar
    The Magic M February 20, 2012 at 7:51 am #

    Steve: Just for the sake of argument, if the birthers were right about this and Obama did obtain his Social Security Number fraudulently as they claimed he did 34 years ago, how could he or anyone who could have been associated with the crime be prosecuted? I’d assume whatever statute of limitations there are for such a crime have expired and he was a juvenile at the time.

    Wouldn’t this be an “ongoing crime” (dunno the proper legal term) since he is still using the SSN (e.g. in his tax papers)? So I don’t think that argument would fly.

  44. avatar
    Northland10 February 20, 2012 at 8:13 am #

    Donna L. Schoening: Barry would have automatically become an Indonesian citizen according to the country’s laws in the 1960’s, which stipulated any child is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process.

    Proof?

  45. avatar
    Majority Will February 20, 2012 at 8:28 am #

    Donna L. Schoening:
    For Dr. Conspiracy –

    Was There An Adoption

    Go here first:

    Hollister v. Indonesian Citizenship Law

    by Dr. Conspiracy on FEBRUARY 9, 2009

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/hollister-v-indonesian-citizenship-law/

    Department of State denies birther allegations

    by Dr. Conspiracy on APRIL 23, 2009

    Here are excerpts from the document filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia today:

    To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States or is otherwise ineligible to serve as President of the United States, that allegation is denied.

    To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama may be an illegal alien or that President Obama is or ever was a citizen of Indonesia, those allegations are denied.

    To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama’s birth certificate has not been released to the public, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that the birth certificate released to the public at the direction of President Obama is not a valid birth certificate or that such certificate is not sufficient proof of U.S. citizenship, those allegations are denied.

    Specifically, Defendants deny that President Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the state of Hawaii.

    To the extent this paragraph alleges that Lolo Soetoro is or ever was President Obama’s father by birth or adoption, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is or ever was a practicing Muslim, that allegation is denied.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/department-of-state-denies-birther-allegations/

  46. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 20, 2012 at 8:48 am #

    Let’s consider your comment.

    First Barack Obama arrived in Indonesia at age 6 (not 5). We know this from State Department documents (Soetoro immigration file FOIA) dated October 6, 1967 stating that Obama is 6 years old and living in Hawaii. This is a documented fact and not subject to speculation.

    See: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/01/how-old-was-obama-when-he-moved-to-indonesia/

    As you probably know, the law that grants citizenship to Indonesian adoptees does not apply to 6-year-old child children.

    Your point 1 is the only evidence that suggests Barack Obama had Indonesian nationality. The Inside Edition report that originally presented the form said that it was common practice to use the Father’s surname and Religion on the form. The report doesn’t focus on nationality, but it is plausible that they used the Father’s nationality as well. It’s weak evidence, and against it there is a US State Department response in the Strunk lawsuit, that denies Barack Obama was ever adopted and that he was ever an Indonesian citizen. So these two taken together cancel each other out.

    Inside Edition report:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPXVJuT2vY&feature=player_embedded#!

    State Department denial:
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/department-of-state-denies-birther-allegations/

    As to your point #2, yours is not the opinion of “Indonesian legal experts” but of a birther lawyer, Phil Berg who totally mangled Indonesian law. There is no law that says that only Indonesian citizens can attend state supported schools. I debunked this THREE YEARS AGO.

    See:
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/hollister-v-indonesian-citizenship-law/

    3. The Soetoro divorce does use the term “father” but one cannot say whether this excudes a step father relationship. As you point out, the divorce decree states that Barack Obama is a US citizen, a rather definitive statement, won’t you admit?

    Soetoro divorce:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/9940006/Soetoro-Divorce-1980-9-Pages-Merged

    So you got nothing.

    Donna L. Schoening:
    For Dr. Conspiracy –

    Was There An Adoption
    Obama arrived in Indonesia at about the age of five according to most accounts, although it was possible he arrived at the age of six, according to a few sources.At some time, Lolo Soetoro adopted Barry, and Barry would have automatically become an Indonesian citizen according to the country’s laws in the 1960’s, which stipulated any child is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process.

    As evidence that an adoption occurred, there are the following artifacts:

    1.The registration document from the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School, in Jakarta, Indonesia.Barry Soetoro is registered as a “citizen” of Indonesia.

    2.According to Indonesian legal experts, only Indonesian citizens could attend state-operated public schools.

    3.In the divorce documents (page1 and page2), Lolo Soetoro is described as “father” — “husband has not contributed to support of wife and children” — “oldest child in university” — and this curious note, “both mother and child are U. S. citizens while father an Indonesian citizen”

    There is accumulating evidence that Anna was something of an expert at taking advantage living abroad, while carefully keeping one foot in the US of A for herself and her children

  47. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 20, 2012 at 9:00 am #

    Any time I see something like “According to Indonesian legal experts” I ask that if this is really true, why isn’t the expert named? This is an “appeal to an anonymous expert” fallacy, and one hallmark of a crank argument.

    Donna L. Schoening: 2. According to Indonesian legal experts, only Indonesian citizens could attend state-operated public schools.

  48. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 20, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    It’s actually true (Indonesian Law No. 62) except that it only applies to children under the age of 5. Barack Obama was 6 when he traveled to Indonesia.

    (1)A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri [state court] at the residence of the person adopting the child.

    So it does not apply to President Obama.

    See: http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,LEGISLATION,IDN,4562d8cf2,3ae6b4ec8,0.html

    Northland10: Proof?

  49. avatar
    misha February 20, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Any time I see something like “According to Indonesian legal experts”

    That’s how Onion headlines are usually written: “Area Man Thinks He Has Rapport With His Mechanic.”

    Or, “Area man mistakes Onion story for reality.” http://www.salon.com/2006/07/14/onion_blogger/singleton/

    Or, “Renowned Hoo-Ha Doctor Wins Nobel Prize For Medical Advancements Down There”
    Accompanying the Nobel Prize is a $1.4 million grant that, according to medical experts…

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