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Ignorance of the law is no excuse

In response to the Mississippi Secretary of State’s Motion to Dismiss the Taitz ballot challenge in Mississippi by pointing out Orly Taitz cites no statute supporting what she demands, Taitz replies [link to Taitz web site] by making an appeal to common sense in lieu of a statute:

Not everything is spelled out in statutes. For example, the statutes do not write that Attorney General and the Secretary of State should be paid a salary and how much should they be paid. However, it is understood, that they need to be paid some salary for their work in order to feed their families. It is also understood that the Attorney General and the Secretary of State should possess a minimal IQ and minimal common sense while doing their work in order not to place on the ballot the name of a person, who is using a forgery instead of a birth certificate, a stolen Social Security number and a name, that is not legally his as a basis of his eligibility for the U.S. Presidency.

Actually, the Constitution of Mississippi, Article 5, Section 133 says, for example:

He [Secretary of State] shall receive such compensation as shall be prescribed.

The specific salary of the Secretary of State and the Attorney General are specified by law:

TITLE 25. PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES; PUBLIC RECORDS
CHAPTER 3. SALARIES AND COMPENSATION
GENERAL PROVISIONS

Miss. Code Ann. § 25-3-31 (2012)

§ 25-3-31. Salaries of elective state and district officers
The annual salaries of the following elected state and district officers are fixed as follows:
Governor………………………………………………..$ 122,160.00
Attorney General…………………………………………..108,960.00
Secretary of State………………………………………….90,000.00
Commissioner of Insurance……………………………………90,000.00
State Treasurer…………………………………………….90,000.00
State Auditor of Public Accounts……………………………..90,000.00
Commissioner of Agriculture and Commerce………………………90,000.00
Transportation Commissioners…………………………………78,000.00
Public Service Commissioners…………………………………78,000.00
Miss. Code Ann. § 25-3-31

I would think that any fool should know that the salaries of state officers are fixed by law. One glance told me that Taitz’s remark was absurd. It did take a few minutes to prove it.

Taitz is not helping herself by flaunting her CA Bar License number on the pro se filing in Mississippi. Part of the Democratic Party’s argument for sanctions is that she is really an attorney and knows better than to file a frivolous suit like this. They have no idea.

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33 Responses to Ignorance of the law is no excuse

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    ASK Esq March 8, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

    “It is also understood that the Attorney General and the Secretary of State should possess a minimal IQ and minimal common sense while doing their work”

    The same is understood of attorneys, but then Orly shows that expectations are not always met.

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    John Reilly March 9, 2012 at 2:11 am #

    Every time you lower your expectation of Dr. Taitz to comport with reality, you find out you are still too high.

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    nbc March 9, 2012 at 3:07 am #

    Yep…. Orly is totally losing it and it ain’t a pretty picture. Poor Orly, she is sooo lost right now. So close ‘I won I won’ and yet so far ‘dismissed’

    She is a disgrace. But she has her flair when blaming others for her failures, And there are too many.

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    nbc March 9, 2012 at 3:09 am #

    Ignorance of law is Orly’s trademark.

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    Lupin March 9, 2012 at 4:16 am #

    At this stage, I think the ones who should be investigated, and I mean with whatever force your Government could throw at them, is the California Bar Association.

    IMHO we have long crossed the line of “negligence” (to their duties) and we’re now sailing into more dangerous waters. That this lunatic is able to spout violent, seditious rubbish is intolerable.

    If Orly was Imam Abdul El Uzi and invited her followers to use Sharia Law to go after judges or elected officials the way she presently does, she’d be in Gitmo already.

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    G March 9, 2012 at 4:28 am #

    I’m completely with you on this…

    Lupin: IMHO we have long crossed the line of “negligence” (to their duties) and we’re now sailing into more dangerous waters. That this lunatic is able to spout violent, seditious rubbish is intolerable.

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    Lupin March 9, 2012 at 4:32 am #

    G:
    I’m completely with you on this…

    Thank you. But seriously: if you were to transpose Orly’s actions and statements into some kind of mad Sheik’s ravings, we all know that the FBI would be all over her like ants at a picnic, she would have been disbarred, excommunicated, tarred and feathered already, and might even enjoy the taste of lemon chicken in Gitmo.

    I’m not fond of Muslim extremists, but I have to say, there does seem to be two standards at work here.

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    G March 9, 2012 at 4:38 am #

    Sadly, this is a nation full of double-standards…

    *sigh*. But don’t get me wrong. There are still many, many wonderful things about America and also the opportunities it still holds. It is because I love my country so much that I wish to hold it to higher standards and constantly strive to behave better and become better.

    Lupin: Thank you. But seriously: if you were to transpose Orly’s actions and statements into some kind of mad Sheik’s ravings, we all know that the FBI would be all over her like ants at a picnic, she would have been disbarred, excommunicated, tarred and feathered already, and might even enjoy the taste of lemon chicken in Gitmo.I’m not fond of Muslim extremists, but I have to say, there does seem to be two standards at work here.

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    Paul Pieniezny March 9, 2012 at 4:54 am #

    Lupin: At this stage, I think the ones who should be investigated, and I mean with whatever force your Government could throw at them, is the California Bar Association.

    Though I recently changed my signature at the FogBow, I still stand behind it 100%:

    The California Bar seems to consider Birferism– so preposterously frivolous by nature, that there is no way choosing Taitz as your lawyer, rather than some far more gifted constitutional expert such as De Berg, the Putz and the Paraclete, could possibly harm your case – even though she cannot win a small claims dog bite case against a pro se Pit Bull Terrier if the Terrier’s teeth were still stuck in the victim.

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    Paul Pieniezny March 9, 2012 at 5:00 am #

    But, lest we forget:

    Ja nigdy nie będę mówił że Orly Taitz została usunięta z palestry, chyba że w rzeczywistości Orly Taitz została usunięta z palestry.

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    Lupin March 9, 2012 at 5:20 am #

    G:
    Sadly, this is a nation full of double-standards…

    *sigh*.But don’t get me wrong.There are still many, many wonderful things about America and also the opportunities it still holds.It is because I love my country so much that I wish to hold it to higher standards and constantly strive to behave better and become better.

    I’m certainly not going to hold France as a model (e.g.: we’re way lagging behind in women’s equality in politics and the workplace) but the way we pounced on Scientology recently, and, before that, the Raelians, make me proud of the old Republic. 🙂

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    Lupin March 9, 2012 at 5:26 am #

    Paul Pieniezny: Though I recently changed my signature at the FogBow, I still stand behind it 100%:

    The California Bar seems to consider Birferism– so preposterously frivolous by nature, that there is no way choosing Taitz as your lawyer, rather than some far more gifted constitutional expert such as De Berg, the Putz and the Paraclete, could possibly harm your case – even though she cannot win a small claims dog bite case against a pro se Pit Bull Terrier if the Terrier’s teeth were still stuck in the victim.

    I don’t think Taitz harms her clients (does she actually have any clients?) but I think she clearly wastes the Courts’ time and does damage to the profession in general; the seditious talk is on top of that, but I’m not competent to frame that discussion.

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    Paul Pieniezny March 9, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    Lupin: I don’t think Taitz harms her clients (does she actually have any clients?) but I think she clearly wastes the Courts’ time and does damage to the profession in general; the seditious talk is on top of that, but I’m not competent to frame that discussion.

    It is far more than damage to the profession. She has asked potential witnesses to perjure themselves, she has threatened judges who ruled against her with civil and criminal suits, she has asked her followers to harass judges and law clerks, she has lied about service, and more that I cannot remember. All of which would probably have cause disbarment long ago in Western Europe.

    She does have clients of course, but these are very willing to be mere fronts for her legal actions. The only time she got really sanctioned, her client had switched sides just before her last awfulness.

    All the rest she does is off limits thanks to the First Amendment, I think.

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    jayHG March 9, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Lupin: Thank you. But seriously: if you were to transpose Orly’s actions and statements into some kind of mad Sheik’s ravings, we all know that the FBI would be all over her like ants at a picnic, she would have been disbarred, excommunicated, tarred and feathered already, and might even enjoy the taste of lemon chicken in Gitmo.I’m not fond of Muslim extremists, but I have to say, there does seem to be two standards at work here.

    This is so true……but then again maybe she is on the FBI/Secret Service’s radar and we just don’t know it. I mean, it’s unlikely that some announcement would be made and you know if Orly had been contacted in any way from anyone she remoted thought was federal law enforcement she’d howl TREASON/THEY’RE TRYI8NG TO SHUT ME UP/FOOT STAMPS (?) from the highest mountain.

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    jayHG March 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    jayHG: This is so true……but then again maybe she is on the FBI/Secret Service’s radar and we just don’t know it. I mean, it’s unlikely that some announcement would be made and you know if Orly had been contacted in any way from anyone she remoted thought was federal law enforcement she’d howl TREASON/THEY’RE TRYI8NG TO SHUT ME UP/FOOT STAMPS (?) from the highest mountain.

    i man “THEY’RE TRYING TO SHUT ME UP/FOOD STAMPS (?)” I was tying too fast, and that last part about food stamps was to show that Orly’s crazy so who knows what she might say or mean at any given time…

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    jayHG March 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    jayHG: This is so true……but then again maybe she is on the FBI/Secret Service’s radar and we just don’t know it. I mean, it’s unlikely that some announcement would be made and you know if Orly had been contacted in any way from anyone she remoted thought was federal law enforcement she’d howl TREASON/THEY’RE TRYI8NG TO SHUT ME UP/FOOT STAMPS (?) from the highest mountain.

    I mean “THEY’RE TRYING TO SHUT ME UP/FOOD STAMPS (?)” I was tying too fast, and that last part about food stamps was to show that Orly’s crazy so who knows what she might say or mean at any given time…

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    jayHG March 9, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Paul Pieniezny: It is far more than damage to the profession. She has asked potential witnesses to perjure themselves, she has treatened judges who ruled against her with civil and criminal suits, she has asked her followers to harass judges and law clerks, she has lied about service, and more that I cannor remember. All of which would probably have cause disbarment long ago in Western Europe.She does have cliensts of course, but these are very willing to be mere fronts for her legal actions. The only time she got really sanctioned, her client had switched sides just before her last awfulness.All the rest she does is off limits thanks to the First Amendment, I think.

    Orly really deserves disbarrment for those things, so maybe the CA Bar is waiting for her to leave more of a paper trail before they disbar her.

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    BillTheCat March 9, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    I’ve never understood why the Cal Bar has waited/taken so long/ignored her conduct. It’s pretty outrageous.

  19. avatar
    bob j March 9, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Sigh…..
    Of all the comments on this thread, I was certain, a certain, James Durwood Johnson(sic?) would reply.

    Has he moved on?

    Is he disillusioned with his hero?

    Is he she, and verse visa?

    It really is taking more willpower than I will admit, to not visit Orly’s site. I gave stupid birther sites for Lent ( and ever after).

    Thanks Doc for being my Methadone.

    It ain’t that I want her to fail; I just wish her believers could think it was possible.

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    Arthur March 9, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    bob j: Of all the comments on this thread, I was certain, a certain, James Durwood Johnson(sic?) would reply

    Durwood is enduring a self-imposed exile, but has promised to return when Obama is show to be a ineligible for office. He’s also promised to demonstrate a flying pig, a method of freezing hell, and a goose with remarkable egg-laying properties.

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    Zachary Bravos March 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    Think you can shorten this to: “Ignorance is no excuse”

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    cabathome March 11, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    james Durwood Johnson…the one who murdered his son the other day?

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Man-jailed-in-shooting-death-of-son-during-Ft-1688142.php

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    G March 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    Woah….

    The possibility is certainly there that this could be the same person and not just someone with the same name. The demographic stats would fit the stereotype quite well.

    cabathome: james Durwood Johnson…the one who murdered his son the other day?http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Man-jailed-in-shooting-death-of-son-during-Ft-1688142.php

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    J. Potter March 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    G:
    Woah….

    The possibility is certainly there that this could be the same person and not just someone with the same name.The demographic stats would fit the stereotype quite well.

    Nah, they’re in completely different parts of the country. And he was posting here after the crime was committed. If the same person, he surely had better things to do..

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    G March 11, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    What part of the country was the Birther posting here from? I don’t remember seeing anything where he revealed that or why he couldn’t be from TX…

    J. Potter: Nah, they’re in completely different parts of the country. And he was posting here after the crime was committed. If the same person, he surely had better things to do..

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    Keith March 11, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    BillTheCat:
    I’ve never understood why the Cal Bar has waited/taken so long/ignored her conduct. It’s pretty outrageous.

    I agree.

    Have any lawyers on here filed an actual formal complaint? It is the legal profession that is being harmed by her antics more than anything. I thought one of the reasons for the existence of the Bar was to ensure the honor of its membership.

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    J. Potter March 11, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    G:
    What part of the country was the Birther posting here from?I don’t remember seeing anything where he revealed that or why he couldn’t be from TX…

    JDJ in TX shot his son in a drunken confrontation on or before Jan 18th. He is 57 years old.
    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Man-jailed-in-shooting-death-of-son-during-Ft-1688142.php

    “Our” JDJ was posting here in late February, and is a devoted Orly fan who claimed to be 77 years old.

    I was thinking he had said he was in CA, but I may have blurred my geezers together.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 11, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    I do not ever recall us having a poster with the name JDJ. We had a JBJD.

    J. Potter: “Our” JDJ

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 11, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    I don’t know about anyone here, but supposedly 3 complaints were filed: one anonymously, one by an attorney and one by a former client, Connie Rhodes. I feel pretty confident about the first two.

    Keith: Have any lawyers on here filed an actual formal complaint?

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    G March 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

    We did have a spate of posts recently from a “James Durwood Johnson”. With such a specific detailed name, that is why it is so weird to see someone with that exact same name appear in the recent arrest reports.

    Dr. Conspiracy: I do not ever recall us having a poster with the name JDJ. We had a JBJD.

    Thanks for reminding me of those details he claimed about himself and the timeframe issues. Not that Birthers are above lying about who they are or their background though… we’ve had numerous examples of that in the past.

    But it leaves me curious – either this is just a bizarre coincidence where someone had the exact same name… or the guy who posted here chose that moniker on purpose… or…

    J. Potter: JDJ in TX shot his son in a drunken confrontation on or before Jan 18th. He is 57 years old.http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Man-jailed-in-shooting-death-of-son-during-Ft-1688142.php“Our” JDJ was posting here in late February, and is a devoted Orly fan who claimed to be 77 years old. I was thinking he had said he was in CA, but I may have blurred my geezers together.

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    J. Potter March 11, 2012 at 10:41 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I do not ever recall us having a poster with the name JDJ. We had a JBJD.

    Sorry, Doc, being lazy and imprecise; I was referring to James Durwood Johnson. He was posting under that name back in July at Orly’s. Who knows, maybe it was the same guy, posting after made bail!

    There are almost 16K “James Johnson” according to HowManyOfMe. I’m thinking “Durwood” really cuts into that.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 11, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    JimBot?

    Ours was from California.

    J. Potter: There are almost 16K “James Johnson” according to HowManyOfMe.

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    J. Potter March 11, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: JimBot?

    I don’t think so, unless JimBot was also this guy:

    Handle: “James Durwood Johnson”
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/circular-date-stamps-and-obamas-selective-service-registration/#comment-162776