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This little Orly goes to market …

I don’t think the birthers like the Obama birth certificate mugs and t-shirts one little bit. As Orly Taitz put it:

Obama is flaunting his crimes, rubbing them into our faces by selling mugs and T-shirts with his forged birth certificate for $22.50.

So not to be outdone, Orly is going to flaunt her epic losses in court by selling autographed, professional videos of the debacle in Georgia before Judge Malihi (losing to an empty chair) and the presentation that broke down into threatening shouts before the New Hampshire Ballot Commission.

You can have a video in a “beautiful commemorative case” autographed by Orly herself for $22.50 plus $2.50 for shipping and handling – or for $50 you can get a set of two videos. And stand by: The humiliating loss in Indiana is coming soon.

One commenter said:

Will they be available on DVD? I’d be more apt to buy if I knew this and if you”ll (sic) also throw in some pizza bagels.

Another comment began:

Copies of your infamous DVD should be sent to every member of congress and double copies to scotus.

Apparently Orly is letting quite a bit through in comments, including one I won’t copy and this one:

What a little, spoiled whore this Orly turned out to be. How dare you ask for money…

It wasn’t immediately apparent how to order a video.

88 Responses to This little Orly goes to market …

  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    Maybe if she threw in some hot buttered groat clusters and a couple tubs of slaw.

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    Jamese777 March 9, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    To add insult to empty chair, my understanding is that the Obama defense attorney in Arizona Superior Court in Pima County in Adams v Obama, phoned his defense in because he had a dinner engagement.

    You can not show up at all or phone it in and beat the birthers!

    The Arizona attorney’s telephonic ability was enough to have the President declared a natural born citizen, Wong Kim Ark determined to be precedential and Minor v Happersett declared irrelevant!

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    Northland10 March 9, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    Didn’t Dean do the Georgia video? I knew I should have invested in popcorn futures.

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    Thomas Brown March 9, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Maybe if she threw in some hot buttered groat clusters and a couple tubs of slaw.

    Will that offer be good in Sectors R and N?

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    Al Halbert March 9, 2012 at 7:19 pm #

    Come on Doc, what is wrong with you a seminal cheerleader for the dear leader? Orly Taitz bad for selling Birth Certificate T-Shirts, Obama Good for selling Birth Certificate mug? We call such actions hypocrisy.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/oshadavidson/2011/05/18/obama-campaign-raises-cash-with-birther-mug/

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    Congratulations for posting a comment to the relevant topic. I look forward to the same in the future.

    I am a little confused though. I never criticized Orly Taitz for selling videos. I only remarked, truthfully, that they are videos of her failing. In fact, I have no objection whatever to her selling videos. I wouldn’t buy one, but then I don’t buy lots of things.

    Al Halbert: Orly Taitz bad for selling Birth Certificate T-Shirts, Obama Good for selling Birth Certificate mug?

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    You know as well as I do, not after curfew.

    Thomas Brown: Will that offer be good in Sectors R and N?

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    Thrifty March 9, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    Yeah I saw Orly advertising her video a few days ago. I thought it seemed odd. Generally when I fail at something, I try to put it out of my mind. I don’t sell autographed videos of it happening.

    On the other hand, I can perceive when I’ve lost at something.

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    Thomas Brown March 9, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    You know as well as I do, not after curfew.

    And they never come up here in the hills!

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    Al Halbert March 9, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Congratulations for posting a comment to the relevant topic. I look forward to the same in the future.

    I am a little confused though. I never criticized Orly Taitz for selling videos. I only remarked, truthfully, that they are videos of her failing. In fact, I have no objection whatever to her selling videos. I wouldn’t buy one, but then I don’t buy lots of things.

    Well Doc I am confused is it not the same issue? How is it that Taitz deserves ridicule, however when Obama exploits the issue without proving his credentials and bona fides he is lauded for doing so?

    Either it is morally wrong for Taitz and Obama to gain remuneration over this issue or it is not? Especially when Obama denigrates those that would continue this issue, then profits from it by continuing the very same issue, sounds like a double standard or hypocrisy, or worse exploitation.

    Since Obama refuses to submit his records to verification by 3rd parties thereby ending the matter definitively, it is nothing but a cheap shot on Obama’s part and should be beneath anyone that holds the Oval Office.

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    Arthur March 9, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Al Halbert: How is it that Taitz deserves ridicule, however when Obama exploits the issue without proving his credentials and bona fides he is lauded for doing so?

    Al,

    Orly Taitz deserves ridicule because she is a comically unskilled lawyer who is pursuing a ridiculous agenda. Moreover, you continue to be ridiculous by making the erroneous claim that Obama hasn’t proven his eligibility.

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    BillTheCat March 9, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    I’ve long been of the opinion that those mugs and t-shirts they put out really set her off and she has been seething over them since. I think that every time she sees one or hears of them, she just burns inside. As they say, the mug thing really “stuck in her craw”.

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    Joey March 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    When Obama loses to an empty chair, he will deserve ridicule. When Obama gets fined $20,000 for being “frivolous,” he too will deserve ridicule.
    Birthers ridicule the President constantly (for example, look at the photos of him over at birtherreport.com) and that ridicule falls under their First Amendment right.
    I’m grateful to live in a nation where Orly Taitz and Barack Obama can be ridiculed to their opponents’ hearts content.

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    Arthur March 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    Al Halbert: Either it is morally wrong for Taitz and Obama to gain remuneration over this issue or it is not?

    Al,

    What you’ve presented above is called a false dichotomy, i.e., a type of logical fallacy that involves assuming that in a given situation there are only two alternatives when, in fact, additional options exist. If you don’t want to be thought ridiculous, you need to be more circumspect when framing your arguments.

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    BillTheCat March 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    Al Halbert: Since Obama refuses to submit his records to verification by 3rd parties thereby ending the matter definitively, it is nothing but a cheap shot on Obama’s part and should be beneath anyone that holds the Oval Office.

    Sorry, but as we’ve tried to tell you over and over and over, that already happened, get over it. The fact that you will not allow that fact into your brick-strong head isn’t our falt, but the facts remain that he “ended” the matter long ago.

    Talk about “beneath the Oval Office”, the idea that a sitting president should submit to the wims of the mentally unhinged fits that description perfectly.

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    G March 9, 2012 at 8:15 pm #

    You continue to demonstrate how badly you lack basic reading comprehenision skills.

    NOBODY has said it was a crime or even a *bad thing* to make a profit here.

    There is nothing wrong with Obama’s campaign selling the mugs & t-shirts. In fact, it is quite a brilliant campaign marketing strategy.

    There is nothing wrong with Orly selling tapes and signatures to make a profit either. But it is extremely funny, because she’s openly advertising and selling her failures. Then again, she has nothing but failure, so if she waited to actually have a good court performance, she’d never have anything to sell at all…

    It is easy to poke fun at Orly because she’s an incompetent trainwreck. Most people don’t go around advertising their screwups. Then again, you Birthers seem oblivious to how you always come across as a bunch of crazy losers to others. So I guess you delusional sad sacks just can’t help yourselves…

    Al Halbert: Either it is morally wrong for Taitz and Obama to gain remuneration over this issue or it is not? Especially when Obama denigrates those that would continue this issue, then profits from it by continuing the very same issue, sounds like a double standard or hypocrisy, or worse exploitation

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    G March 9, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Oh, it is quite obvious that she’s majorly p*ssed off about those mugs and t-shirts. You can tell by the way she tries to bring them up in her Court case rantings… LOL!

    I consider that the best part of the success of using them as a marketing campaign – because it totally p*sses off and enrages these deranged ODS-suffering malcontents. Good! They deserve to be poked with that comedic stick by the President. After all their nonsense of attacking his American credentials, they deserve for him to rub his birth certificate in their face like that…

    BillTheCat: I’ve long been of the opinion that those mugs and t-shirts they put out really set her off and she has been seething over them since. I think that every time she sees one or hears of them, she just burns inside. As they say, the mug thing really “stuck in her craw”.

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    Paper March 9, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Not.

    As in: Neither has anything to do with morals.

    However, they both, each in their own way, have to do with humor.

    Al Halbert: Either it is morally wrong for Taitz and Obama to gain remuneration over this issue or it is not?

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    Jamese777 March 9, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    The option for those Americans who want the President to submit his records to third parties for verification is that they can vote against him this coming November.

    In 2008, 69.4 million Americans felt that they had enough information about Barack Hussein Obama II to give him their votes, 364 members of the Electoral College concurred and not one single Senator or Representative out of 535 submitted a written objection to the certification of the President’s Electoral College votes. It would have only taken one Senator and one Representative to lodge a written objection and both Houses of Congress would have immediately convened in their Houses of Congress to consider the objections. Not one member of Congress objected. Finally, Chief Justice John Roberts could have refused to offer the Oath of Office to Barack Obama. He didn’t and Barack Obama didn’t have to suffer the embarrassment of having to find someone else to swear him in.
    Finally, the current round of ballot challenges in several of the states have found Judges ruling that the President is indeed a natural born citizen and therefore eligible for the ballot in Alaska, Indiana, Illinois, New Hampshire, New York, Virginia, Georgia and Arizona.

    Just two days ago, Judge Richard E. Gordon delivered the triple whammy to birthers:
    1) Barack Obama is a natural born citizen.
    2) US v Wong Kim Ark is binding precedent.
    3) Minor v Happersett is irrelevant to the president’s status as a natural born citizen.

    Judge Gordon ordered:
    “But even assuming that the current challenge falls within this Court’s purview to decide, there are indispensible parties, most notably Arizona’s Secretary of State, who has not been named in the lawsuit. See A.R.S. 16-344(A), (B). Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986 (1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702-03 (1898) (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV); Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678, 684-88 (Ind. App. 2010) (addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”

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    nbc March 9, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    Al Halbert: How is it that Taitz deserves ridicule, however when Obama exploits the issue without proving his credentials and bona fides he is lauded for doing so?

    Taitz deserves ridicule for her poor logic, poor lawyering skills, her inability to do proper legal research, her in ability to understand legal concepts and her continued accusations of others to blame for her own failings.

    President Obama has proven his credentials.

    If you cannot even get these facts right…

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    US Citizen March 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    Arthur: Al,

    What you’ve presented above is called a false dichotomy, i.e., a type of logical fallacy that involves assuming that in a given situation there are only two alternatives when, in fact, additional options exist.

    Wasted breath.
    They only see things as black and white.
    Literally.
    I just wonder who gets their wares into buyer’s hands first, Obama or Taitz?
    Me thinks the former.
    Orly is late with just about everything.

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    Northland10 March 9, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    G: Oh, it is quite obvious that she’s majorly p*ssed off about those mugs and t-shirts. You can tell by the way she tries to bring them up in her Court case rantings… LOL!

    It does show how extraordinarily thin skinned she and the rest of birthers are. Given the nasty things they say about Obama and anybody who disagrees with them, it is all the more ironic that they cannot even handle a little constructive criticism, not to mention a full out insult. I would figure that Orly feels the mugs and t-shirts are directed by Obama entirely at her and not the birthers in general.

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    Al Halbert March 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    [Mr Halbert’s comment has been deleted. It is off topic for this article and off topic for this web site. In the words of Ronald Reagan, “I paid for this Microphone.” Doc.]

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    ASK Esq March 9, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    Will the videos be autographed by both Orly and M. T. Chair?

  25. avatar
    justlw March 9, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Maybe if she threw in some hot buttered groat clusters and a couple tubs of slaw.

    But what about my pickle?

  26. avatar
    Al Halbert March 9, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    Doc.

    “This little Orly goes to market …”

    Could we also say the same thing; This Little Barry does too….

  27. avatar
    Paper March 9, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    In the same way that Stephen Colbert and Herman Cain have both appeared on Comedy Central.

    Al Halbert:
    Doc.

    “This little Orly goes to market …”

    Could we also say the same thing; This Little Barry does too….

  28. avatar
    Arthur March 9, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    Al Halbert: “This little Orly goes to market …”
    Could we also say the same thing; This Little Barry does too….

    I’m not Doc, but you can say that if it makes you feel better about yourself.

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    Rickey March 9, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    Al Halbert:

    Either it is morally wrong for Taitz and Obama to gain remuneration over this issue or it is not?

    Who said anything about morality?

    Orly selling videos of her legal fails makes as much sense as Rick Perry hawking a video of his debate performances.

    Orly is the Ed Wood of attorneys – woefully inept and unintentionally hilarious.

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    Thomas Brown March 9, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    justlw: But what about my pickle?

    You’re lucky you still have your brown paper bag…

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    Arthur March 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    Rickey: Orly is the Ed Wood of attorneys – woefully inept and unintentionally hilarious

    Great comparison! Ed Wood and Orly: twinsies!

  32. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

    I think you just did.

    Al Halbert: Could we also say the same thing; This Little Barry does too….

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

    Taitz is publicizing a loss. That’s pretty odd. I was there for her performance in Georgia and it was monumentally incompetent. What she did was like me selling a book containing all the typos I ever made.

    As for Obama, he is celebrating knocking down the birther movement by 50% after releasing the proof of his birth in Hawaii. Only birthers see the Obama promotional items like you do and only birthers don’t appreciate the overwhelming evidence of Obama’s eligibility. I know what you think, but don’t expect non-birthers to make any sense out of it.

    Al Halbert: Well Doc I am confused is it not the same issue? How is it that Taitz deserves ridicule, however when Obama exploits the issue without proving his credentials and bona fides he is lauded for doing so?

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    Well, they both dress up in women’s clothes. But I bought a copy of Plan 9 from Outer Space; I would never buy an Orly video.

    Arthur: Great comparison! Ed Wood and Orly: twinsies!

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    Rickey March 9, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Well, they both dress up in women’s clothes. But I bought a copy of Plan 9 from Outer Space; I would never buy an Orly video.

    Plan 9 just came out on Blu-ray this week!

    About 15 years ago a friend of mine interviewed Ed Wood’s first cousin at my house for an article she was writing which ran in Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine.

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    bob j March 9, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    I predict that her video autographs will be the lest amount of writing she does during her day.

    To Al;

    What 3rd party should see the President’s B.C? Seems there are for and against. The fors have shown the document, and the against have called it fake. The 3rd party is the Hawaii DOH, and/or the courts.

    What was the conclusion by those 3rd parties?

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    Jim March 9, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Maybe if she threw in some hot buttered groat clusters and a couple tubs of slaw.

    She’s just getting stuff prepared for inclusion in the “birther” wing of the Obama Presidential Library. When I go visit it, they better have BC mugs and t-shirts available!

  38. avatar
    Linda March 10, 2012 at 1:06 am #

    Thrifty: ]

    On the other hand, I can perceive when I’ve lost at something.

    And therein lies the difference. : )

  39. avatar
    Rob A March 10, 2012 at 2:07 am #

    justlw: But what about my pickle?

    They have fried pickles at Hooters… just sayin’

  40. avatar
    Keith March 10, 2012 at 5:50 am #

    justlw: But what about my pickle?

    What about the buffalo?

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    roadburner March 10, 2012 at 8:12 am #

    the question is, how is she going to get the fail videos out and autographed?

    she’s constnatly saying she’s tired and has no time, and short of money and needs airmiles so hiring someone is out.

    and shipping? `please allow 28 days for delivery…this might end up being longer as my record so far for submitting things on time has demonstrated’.

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    Paul Pieniezny March 10, 2012 at 8:21 am #

    Thrifty: I thought it seemed odd. Generally when I fail at something, I try to put it out of my mind. I don’t sell autographed videos of it happening.

    And some people still refuse to contemplate the possibility that Orly may be a Triple Cross (remember that film?) spy sent over by Putin to make the Republicans look ridiculous.

    The idea being that she does not even know she is being used this way.

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    Paul Pieniezny March 10, 2012 at 8:30 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: What she did was like me selling a book containing all the typos I ever made.

    Unless they are funny, of course. Like the translation I recently had to mark, where “the Normandy landings” was transformed into “the Norman landings”.

    Of course, birthers would never understand why that is funny. They still haven’t figured that there is a difference between a “birth certificate from Hawaii” and a “certificate of Hawaiian birth”.

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    Arthur March 10, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: But I bought a copy of Plan 9 from Outer Space; I would never buy an Orly video.

    But would you buy, “Plan 9 from Orly’s Place”?

  45. avatar
    Al Halbert March 10, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think you just did.

    The title of your article was condescending “This little Orly goes to market …” and oozes disgust at her very being, not to mention the review you gave on her performance. While she follows her conviction(s), right or wrong, that is after all what our 1st amendment allows us to speak against our government and it’s leaders, as well as granting us religious freedom. After all it was noble to bash president Bush, wasn’t it.

    However; you hold a different standard for Obama where you allow him to denigrate our Nations citizens from a situation that he himself created by dragging his feet for 6 months during the election in 2008 before releasing his COLB, then another 2 1/2 years for his long form. These very acts of Obama bring into question the veracity of any actions or statements on this issue by our president, at least to inquiring and rational minds.

    Now that he was dragged kicking and screaming (poetic license) by Trump to release his long form BC last April, coincidentally just before Corsi’s book was released, all citizens are supposed to just accept that all is rainbows and lollipops with our president and his stellar performance in transparency, or lack thereof? Which could be distilled as “transparency for the, not for me.”

    Inquiring minds want to know why?

    My experiences lately (last several years) trying to get drivers licenses between two different states was an exercise in redundancy and futility. I had to surrender my previous license, show my birth certificate, CCW, passport and still needed more with utility bills for my residence to prove who I was to be issued a stinking drivers license.

    Mind you this was just to prove my identity for the mere privilege to drive a motor vehicle. Are we just to going to give the highest office in the land to anyone without any vetting or a higher standard of vetting, apparently so? The President is the most powerful position on the face of the planet, and citizens are required to present more vetting on who they are to drive a vehicle than is required of the office of president?

    No wonder we are fast becoming a nation devolving rapidly to ignominy, as it is bad form to ask our leaders to submit to scrutiny than what we mere mortals are subjected to for mundane and perfunctory privileges prior to them being granted by beneficent governments. Versus a willy-nilly process for vetting a presidential candidate, which according to many must be taken at their literal word, that is if they are Democrats. Different standards apply for Republicans. My experience has been that all Politicians LIE, and LIE often, if you believe otherwise I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

    As citizens we are allowed to require more of our leaders, are we not? And if not, then our freedom is just an illusion and we deserve whatever we get at the hands of our leaders? Liberty requires vigilance, that is after all why our Constitution in the preamble starts with “We the People of the United States”, simply put, it is our duty to monitor and question our leaders.

  46. avatar
    GeorgetownJD March 10, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    Mmm, yum. My morning coffee tastes better in an Obama BC mug.

  47. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    You’re reading your own prejudices into what I wrote. This headline follows in a long line of “cute” headlines on the site. “Oozes disgust” is something from your mind, not mine.

    As for the description of her performance in the venues mentioned, I think I was being fair and objective.

    Stop putting words from your imagination into my mouth. I have never said that Orly Taitz, or anyone else, doesn’t have a right to criticize the government. What I have said is that Orly Taitz is an incompetent lawyer and that she believes crazy things.

    Al Halbert: The title of your article was condescending “This little Orly goes to market …” and oozes disgust at her very being, not to mention the review you gave on her performance. While she follows her conviction(s), right or wrong, that is after all what our 1st amendment allows us to speak against our government and it’s leaders, as well as granting us religious freedom. After all it was noble to bash president Bush, wasn’t it.

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    Tarrant March 10, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    Al Halbert:
    Since Obama refuses to submit his records to verification by 3rd parties thereby ending the matter definitively, it is nothing but a cheap shot on Obama’s part and should be beneath anyone that holds the Oval Office.

    Ah but you see, Al, third parties don’t matter. When I apply for a passport and submit a birth certificate or other documentation, if there is a question as to the veracity of any of my documentation, they don’t ask my Aunt Maude, or Mara Zebest, or even an actual forensic document examiner. They call up the state of my birth, California, and ask them if the information that I have submitted is correct. If California says “Yes, we verify that information” then a lunatic like Zullo screaming “WRONG! IT’S ALL WRONG!” really doesn’t matter to them. They don’t want third party verification, they’d much rather first party verification – the state that issued the certificate.

    Unfortunately for you, Hawaii has, more than once, and publicly, and in a pseudo-archival way (the DOH website) said that the President’s birth certificate is accurate. It wouldn’t matte of the BC was written in crayon, if the state says “That information is correct” then every court in the nation will accept it as true. Third parties not needed nor necessary.

  49. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    I say that Taitz is an incompetent lawyer. Where do I see you saying that she isn’t? I said that she lost badly. Where do you dispute that?

    It seems that you’re unwilling to address the substance of the criticism, and all you can say is that it is unfair. And, I also observe, that you waste far too many words saying it.

    Al Halbert: Well Doc I am confused is it not the same issue? How is it that Taitz deserves ridicule, however when Obama exploits the issue without proving his credentials and bona fides he is lauded for doing so?

  50. avatar
    richCares March 10, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    “otherwise I have a bridge I would like to sell you.”
    This comment from the guy who bought the bridge broke my irony meter!

  51. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    You don’t know the half of it. Stay tuned for a major update on the irony meter crisis.

    richCares: This comment from the guy who bought the bridge broke my irony meter!

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    Arthur March 10, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    Al, get a grip. You are so over the top, that a mild breeze might blow you off your molehill of self-righteous indignation. Obama’s identity as a natural-born citizen and his eligibility for the presidency are established facts. Move on, and do something productive with your anger and frustration.

    Al Halbert: No wonder we are fast becoming a nation devolving rapidly to ignominy, as it is bad form to ask our leaders to submit to scrutiny than what we mere mortals are subjected to for mundane and perfunctory privileges prior to them being granted by beneficent governments. Versus a willy-nilly process for vetting a presidential candidate, which according to many must be taken at their literal word, that is if they are Democrats. Different standards apply for Republicans. My experience has been that all Politicians LIE, and LIE often, if you believe otherwise I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

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    Majority Will March 10, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    Al Halbert: I am confused

    Occasionally, Alan gets something right.

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    Al Halbert March 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I say that Taitz is an incompetent lawyer. Where do I see you saying that she isn’t? I said that she lost badly. Where do you dispute that?

    It seems that you’re unwilling to address the substance of the criticism, and all you can say is that it is unfair. And, I also observe, that you waste far too many words saying it.

    If you were not biased, you would not have titled your article as a lead in to the three little pigs fable, some would say a fairy tale, to ridicule her with, Clearly she is not best spokeswoman, however she knows better than most of us what it means to live under an oppressive socialist/communist regime which we are being driven towards. Just as Ayn Rand did (Atlas Shrugged author) she has been willing to take on the challenge when our own news media has been silent on the issue. Why is that?

    Even Pravda is getting in on the act, never thought I would see the day when Pravda would scoop our own news sources. All in all foreign sources have been much more open to the evidence produced by Sheriff Joe, Reuters, BBC and Pravda to name a few than our own media and they are puzzled by our reaction, or in this case inaction. All I have seen is anyone that is critical of Obama is cruelly attacked by Obama, the media, DNC and on this site as well by his supporters.

    We are not stupid “Birthers” deserving of nothing better than ridicule. We are skeptics, global warming ended up being nothing but a hoax, that the media and the left championed and swallowed hook line and sinker, could Obama be nothing but a fraud as well since he also championed this same hoax? This is the very same media that said global warming was settled science, when it was anything but.

    Once again;

    As citizens we are allowed to require more of our leaders, are we not? And if not, then our freedom is just an illusion and we deserve whatever we get at the hands of our leaders by blindly following them or believing in all they say without independent confirmation. Liberty requires vigilance, that is after all why our Constitution in the preamble starts with “We the People of the United States”, simply put, it is our duty to monitor and question our leaders, we are not wrong for doing so. Blindly following anyone will lead this nation to ruin.

  55. avatar
    Arthur March 10, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

    Majority Will: Occasionally, Alan gets something right.

    So does a broken clock.

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    JoZeppy March 10, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

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    Al Halbert: The title of your article was condescending “This little Orly goes to market …” and oozes disgust at her very being, not to mention the review you gave on her performance.

    And Orly earned every bit of it. She is a train wreck of an attorney and after 3 years of this still can’t even serve a document correctly.

    Al Halbert: While she follows her conviction(s), right or wrong, that is after all what our 1st amendment allows us to speak against our government and it’s leaders, as well as granting us religious freedom.

    A person’s 1st Amendment rights don’t include wasting a Court’s time and resources.

    Al Halbert: After all it was noble to bash president Bush, wasn’t it.

    As long as you’re bashing on his policies and are grounded in reality, who cares. I mocked truthers just as much as I mock birthers. You’re all equally nutters.

    Al Halbert: However; you hold a different standard for Obama where you allow him to denigrate our Nations citizens from a situation that he himself created by dragging his feet for 6 months during the election in 2008 before releasing his COLB, then another 2 1/2 years for his long form. These very acts of Obama bring into question the veracity of any actions or statements on this issue by our president, at least to inquiring and rational minds.

    Only delusional minds. You’re a nutter and we all know it. You’ve already admitted that it’s about the President Obama, and your motiviation is not the truth, but to smear the President.

    Al Halbert: Versus a willy-nilly process for vetting a presidential candidate, which according to many must be taken at their literal word, that is if they are Democrats. Different standards apply for Republicans.

    You’re right there. Apparently a very different standard applies to Republicans. Name one Republican that has been asked for his birther certificate.

    Al Halbert: As citizens we are allowed to require more of our leaders, are we not?

    You’re free to vote against him in November if you don’t like it. But that’s really it. No where in the Constitution does it require the President to respond to ungovernable malconents

    Al Halbert: And if not, then our freedom is just an illusion and we deserve whatever we get at the hands of our leaders?

    Wah, wah, wah. Get over it. The vast majority of us are satisfied. Your whining is rather inconsequental.

    Al Halbert: Liberty requires vigilance, that is after all why our Constitution in the preamble starts with “We the People of the United States”, simply put, it is our duty to monitor and question our leaders.

    And guess what, “We the People” spoke in 2008. The majority of “We the People” think your nutters. And the way things stand as of today, “We the People” very well may re-elect him.

  57. avatar
    Scientist March 10, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    Al Halbert: Mind you this was just to prove my identity for the mere privilege to drive a motor vehicle.

    If it makes you feel better, i wouldn’t require any ID from you at all. Merely reading your posts would be enough for me to permanently deny you a license for anything, whether driving, dog ownership or hair cutting. The idea of someone as angry as you on the road, walking an animal or brandishing scissors is quite frightening.

    I would have a great big “Denied'”stamp with your name on it at the ready.

  58. avatar
    Thrifty March 10, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    When you submitted your birth certificate to the DMV for your driver’s license, did they accept it? Or did they tell you to let them into the vault at your state’s bureau of records with forensic document examiners to verify that the vault copy was not a forgery? Because unless it was the latter, Birthers are holding Barack Obama to a different standard.

    Al Halbert: My experiences lately (last several years) trying to get drivers licenses between two different states was an exercise in redundancy and futility. I had to surrender my previous license, show my birth certificate, CCW, passport and still needed more with utility bills for my residence to prove who I was to be issued a stinking drivers license.

  59. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    Here, you are totally off base. The US equivalent of Pravda has been in the forefront of coverage of the issue, from the first day Sheriff Arpaio announced his investigation, it was front-page news.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Globe9.jpg

    I am dead serious about the comparison.

    If you read it in Pravda, it must be true because Pravda is the Russian word for “truth.”

    Al Halbert: Even Pravda is getting in on the act, never thought I would see the day when Pravda would scoop our own news sources.

  60. avatar
    Scientist March 10, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The US equivalent of Pravda has been in the forefront of coverage of the issue, from the first day Sheriff Arpaio announced his investigation, it was front-page news.

    The Globe also had Arpaio’s “investigation” on its front page. However, wisely, it gave it much less prominence than the death of former Monkee Davy Jones.

  61. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    And still you are unwilling to claim that Taitz is a competent lawyer, or deny that she lost badly. Yet somehow, you think that she deserves to be immune from criticism for that. Maybe Taitz knows what it is like to live under Communism. The problem is that she doesn’t know how to live in a country that operates under the rule of law. She tries to apply her experience in a kleptocracy to us and cooks up conspiracies that everybody in the government is corrupt as she experienced in the USSR.

    She has the nerve to call herself a “Civil Rights Attorney” and describe herself as a “political dissident” when she lives in a fancy house, jets around the country, runs for Senate with not a shred of government intervention. She insults people who risk their lives and freedoms around the world fighting real oppression. Orly just likes publicity.

    As a matter of fact, I picked the article category first (Birther Merchandising) and then I asked, what snappy thing comes to mind when I think of merchandising … marketing … market … three little pigs five little piggies. The key to the title was marketing, not my feelings about Orly Taitz. And the “three little pigs five little piggies” is not a fairy tale anyway.

    My article about birther Paul Irey’s t-shirt was titled T-shirt Wars

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/06/t-shirt-wars/

    Another birther t-shirt article was Shirt v. Shirt

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/06/shirt-v-shirt/

    When I wrote about Obama’s t-shirt, one of my articles was called: Delaware paper calls Obama t-shirt “mean-spirited”

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/delaware-site-calls-obama-t-shirt-mean-spirited/

    Earlier articles on Birther t-shirts went under the title: Birther calendars and t-shirts

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/03/birther-calendars-and-t-shirts/

    Which is identical in tone to the first article I wrote about the Obama shirt: Birth Certificate T-Shirt

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/birth-certificate-t-shirt/

    I reject your criticism.

    Al Halbert: If you were not biased, you would not have titled your article as a lead in to the three little pigs fable, some would say a fairy tale, to ridicule her with,

  62. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    No. Your utility bills were evidence of your place of residence, not your identity.

    Al Halbert: and still needed more with utility bills for my residence to prove who I was to be issued a stinking drivers license.

  63. avatar
    Majority Will March 10, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

    This Little Piggy and Three Little Pigs are entirely different in form, origin and lessons.

    Facts and history matter.

    (excerpts)

    This Little Piggy” or “This little pig” is an English language nursery rhyme and fingerplay.

    The first line of this rhyme was quoted in a medley “The Nurse’s Song,” written about 1728, a full version was not recorded until it was published in The Famous Tommy Thumb’s Little Story-Book, published in London about 1760. It then appeared with slight variations in many late eighteenth and early nineteenth century collections. Until the mid-twentieth century the lines referred to “little pigs.”

    The most common modern version is:
    This little piggy went to market.
    This little piggy stayed home.
    This little piggy had roast beef,
    This little piggy had none.
    And this little piggy went wee wee wee all the way home.

    Three Little Pigs is a fairy tale featuring anthropomorphic animals. Printed versions date back to the 1840s, but the story itself is thought to be much older.

    The tale of the Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf was included in The nursery rhymes of England (London and New York, c.1886), by James Orchard Halliwell-Phillipps. The story in its arguably best-known form appeared in English Fairy Tales by Joseph Jacobs, first published in 1890 and crediting Halliwell as his source. The story begins with the title characters being sent out into the world by their mother, to “seek their fortune”. The first little pig builds a house of straw, but a wolf blows it down and the pig runs to his brother’s house. The second pig builds a house of sticks and when he sees his brother he lets him in, with the same ultimate result. Each exchange between wolf and pig features ringing proverbial phrases, namely:
    “Little pig, little pig, let me come in.”
    “No, no, not by the hair on my chinny chin chin.”
    “Then I’ll huff, and I’ll puff, and I’ll blow your house in.”
    The third pig builds a house of hard bricks and when he sees his brothers he lets them in. The wolf fails to blow down the house. He then attempts to trick the pigs out of the house, but the pigs outsmart him at every turn. Finally, the wolf resolves to come down the chimney, whereupon the pigs boil a pot of water in which the wolf then lands and is cooked.
    The story utilizes the literary rule of three, expressed in this case as a “contrasting three”, as the three pigs’ brick house turns out to be the only one which is adequate to withstand the wolf.[4]

    (source: wikipedia)

  64. avatar
    Majority Will March 10, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

    P.S. Perhaps if you have three toes, the two pig tales can be combined.

  65. avatar
    Thomas Brown March 10, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    Al: the fact that you’ve bought the “global warming is a hoax” hoax is perfectly fitting, seeing as how you swallowed the “Obama is a fraud” fraud. Neither has a single solitary shred of evidence, and you believe both anyway. Honestly, you guys are the most gullible losers on the face of the planet.

    Global warming is such well-established science that the Pentagon is studying what it means for American defense interests as water levels rise and ice caps recede. Those fools. If only they would hire you to set them straight, and the Supreme Court could benefit from your superior grasp of Constitutional Law, you might single- handedly rescue America from the evil clutches of the reality-based community bound and determined to stubbornly cling to facts instead of taking the wiser path of embracing your fabricated fantasies.

  66. avatar
    MN-Sunshine March 10, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    I find it ironic that both Obama’s merchandise and Orly’s merchandise spotlight how stupid and pathetic the birthers are. And both are funnier than heck!

  67. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    I totally said “three little pigs” without even thinking of the story by that title, still focusing on toes. I updated my comment (with suitable correction annotation).

    Majority Will: This Little Piggy and Three Little Pigs are entirely different in form, origin and lessons.

  68. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 10, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

    Global warming is only a hoax in the right-wing nut job echo chambers on the Internet.

    I personally have seen the retreating glaciers.

    Al Halbert: We are skeptics, global warming ended up being nothing but a hoax, that the media and the left championed and swallowed hook line and sinker, could Obama be nothing but a fraud as well since he also championed this same hoax?

  69. avatar
    Sef March 10, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Global warming is only a hoax in the right-wing nut job echo chambers on the Internet.

    I personally have seen the retreating glaciers.

    No comment necessary: http://epa.gov/climatechange/effects/coastal/slrmaps.html

  70. avatar
    J. Potter March 11, 2012 at 12:15 am #

    When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

    However, if your lemons are freely available on the internet, and your potential client base rife with deadbeats, you’ve go to throw some incredible sweeteners to make a sale.

    What sort of bonuses might Orly offer? A little “service” after the sale?

    * shudder / puke …. shudder / puke …. rinse & repeat *

  71. avatar
    G March 11, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    Agreed.

    Thomas Brown: Global warming is such well-established science that the Pentagon is studying what it means for American defense interests as water levels rise and ice caps recede. Those fools. If only they would hire you to set them straight, and the Supreme Court could benefit from your superior grasp of Constitutional Law, you might single- handedly rescue America from the evil clutches of the reality-based community bound and determined to stubbornly cling to facts instead of taking the wiser path of embracing your fabricated fantasies.

  72. avatar
    G March 11, 2012 at 1:23 am #

    Well, both women are clearly emotionally scarred to the point of being permanently damaged and blinded by their experiences under Communism. That part seems clear. However, this damage is a bad thing – they have been unable to adapt and grasp a world beyond their scarred memories and don’t seem to be able to grasp what America is and how it works.

    Orly’s past is no excuse for her gross incompetence nor her uncivil attitude. Ayn Rand was quite the pretentious hypocrite herself – espousing one set of crockery, while living on the government dole… If these sad sacks are your “role models”, you can have them. No wonder you Birthers are so easily detached from grasping reality.

    There is no “oppressive socialist/communist regime” here in America, nor are we headed towards that by any stretch of the term. Only in your fevered delusions, which have no basis in reality.

    Al Halbert:
    Clearly she is not best spokeswoman, however she knows better than most of us what it means to live under an oppressive socialist/communist regime which we are being driven towards. Just as Ayn Rand did (Atlas Shrugged author) she has been willing to take on the challenge when our own news media has been silent on the issue. Why is that?

  73. avatar
    G March 11, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    *rolls eyes*. Sorry, but Pravda online is nothing but another tabloid trash rag. It has been pimping Birtherism for quite a long time now. So there is nothing unusual about it wanking along with the Birthers over the Arpaio sham show. Mentioning Pravda as a source is little different then referencing the Canadian Free Press, Post & Email or WND as covering this story. Online Birther “news” rags cover Birther story. In other news, water is still wet…

    Al Halbert: Even Pravda is getting in on the act, never thought I would see the day when Pravda would scoop our own news sources.

    What a crock of sh*t. I read BBC news all the time. They’ve never treated the Birtherism nonsense as serious. They’ve given it the same type of coverage as the rest of mainstream media. I highly doubt your Reuters claim holds up either. Face it, Birthers are only taken seriously within their own Birther enclaves and no where else. But hey, keep pretending…

    Al Halbert: All in all foreign sources have been much more open to the evidence produced by Sheriff Joe, Reuters, BBC

  74. avatar
    G March 11, 2012 at 1:35 am #

    Oh Al, now you are simply trying to play the victim card. The only thing that is attacked are slanderous myths and lies and utterly stupid statements. If you don’t want to be ridiculed, then don’t come across ridiculous, simple as that. Quite a few of the regular posters here are NOT Obama supporters…so you FAIL on that charge too. Somehow those folks are able to carry on an adult and reasoned conversation here without problem. Only disingenuous liars, trolls and rude crazy people receive well-deserved negative responses. Hold yourself accountable for your own stupidity in your pathetic postings, you cry-baby.

    Al Halbert:

    All I have seen is anyone that is critical of Obama is cruelly attacked by Obama, the media, DNC and on this site as well by his supporters.

    Actually, yes, you are.

    Al Halbert:

    We are not stupid “Birthers” deserving of nothing better than ridicule.

    Oh my, how you do wallow in hyperbole with false premise arguments! There is no “blind following” going on here – except by you gullible Birthers to your scam Cult leaders. The legitimacy and eligibility of this President is not a topic of any real doubt at all. Opinion differences on policy and ideology are a different matter; but are outside the scope of this website’s focus. Your liberty has not been threatened in any way, nor has your ability to legitimately question authority been jeopardized at all. Sorry, but the sky is not falling, Chicken Little.

    As citizens we are allowed to require more of our leaders, are we not? And if not, then our freedom is just an illusion and we deserve whatever we get at the hands of our leaders by blindly following them or believing in all they say without independent confirmation. Liberty requires vigilance, that is after all why our Constitution in the preamble starts with “We the People of the United States”, simply put, it is our duty to monitor and question our leaders, we are not wrong for doing so. Blindly following anyone will lead this nation to ruin.

  75. avatar
    gorefan March 11, 2012 at 3:08 am #

    Al Halbert: Even Pravda is getting in on the act

    Are you even slightly concerned with how anti-American Pravda is?

    What is ironic is that that bastion of Constitutionalism, the freerepublic has also joined the anti-America band wangon.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2857297/posts?page=201

    Jum Robinson won’t allow articles about Mitt Romney but posts from newspapers with stories that bash America are okay.

  76. avatar
    Majority Will March 11, 2012 at 6:42 am #

    Al Halbert: We are not stupid “Birthers” deserving of nothing better than ridicule.

    Fine. Idiotic birther bigots certainly deserve pity as well. Especially birthers who invent sock puppets to try to create a crowd that sounds more convincing and concerned.

    Note the similarities in the replying posts at the following link under Birthers are Stupid:

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/nashville-tn/T3183JQ334FQN5HF2/post5

    “Posting under a multitude of names only makes you look foolish. Keeping people off the ballot is the only way the fascists can win.” – WDRussell

    And publishing deliberate misinformation is a common tool of birthers and dictatorships.

  77. avatar
    J. Potter March 11, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    It seems all birthers love online Pravda. Soooo-prize, soooo-prize, soo-oo-oo-prize!

  78. avatar
    Paper March 11, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    You know, I have found my personal birther connections relying upon Russian news sources. I have found that a bit surprising over this last year or so. These particular birthers are not just birthers but general conspiracy theorists, adhering to practically every conspiracy theory out there for decades, tying them all up together with the NWO bow. To me that makes it even a little more peculiar, to hold such beliefs and rely upon Russian sources. I don’t find the references I have received from them to be very useful/valid, but I’m not making a big deal here about Russian reliability, just noting that it seems strange for conspiracy minded individuals to run to Russia for references!

  79. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny March 11, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    Paper: You know, I have found my personal birther connections relying upon Russian news sources. I

    Russian TV as well? Surely, Russia Today stopped doing the birfers some time ago (most Russians abroad outside the uSA thought that was propaganda trying to revive “and you lynch blacks”. A bit counterproductive, in a funny way.

    NTV then? He has to understand Russian then. I do seem to remember they ran a programme a few months ago they had Orly on. Only that was about Lakin and a year old (they did not even have the result of the court case yet).

    A good idea of NTV:
    http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/266174/

  80. avatar
    Paper March 11, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Not just birther stuff. Also, various conspiracy alarums.

    Paul Pieniezny: Russian TV as well? Surely, Russia Today stopped doing the birfers some time ago

  81. avatar
    Mary Brown March 11, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    What next?

  82. avatar
    Keith March 11, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    Paper:
    You know, I have found my personal birther connections relying upon Russian news sources.I have found that a bit surprising over this last year or so.These particular birthers are not just birthers but general conspiracy theorists, adhering to practically every conspiracy theory out there for decades, tying them all up together with the NWO bow. To me that makes it even a little more peculiar, to hold such beliefs and rely upon Russian sources.I don’t find the references I have received from them to be very useful/valid, but I’m not making a big deal here about Russian reliability, just noting that it seems strange for conspiracy minded individuals to run to Russia for references!

    Well, the Rooskies are expert at all thinks conspiratorial, don’t ya know?

    At least that is what the they’ve been telling us since the end of WWII, everyone from Joe McC to Tricky Dicky to Boris and Natasha. The spend all those long cold winter nights dreaming up Rube Goldberg (hmmm, ‘Goldberg’) schemes to get access to your virgin daughters, rutn your sons into hockey players (go Redwings)..

  83. avatar
    BillTheCat March 12, 2012 at 1:48 am #

    Al Halbert:

    Even Pravda…..

    You lost me when you use Pravda as a source.

    Let’s see:

    Pravda as news
    Ayn Rand fan
    Global Warming Denier

    Tells me all I need to know.

  84. avatar
    Majority Will March 12, 2012 at 8:31 am #

    And . . . Birther Al believes in nefarious FEMA camps:

    January 2, 2012
    New Nationwide FEMA Camps Should Raise Eyebrows
    By Alan P. Halbert

    (excerpt) Of all the rumors flying around on the internet, one just refuses to die, and it concerns America’s FEMA camps.

    . . . As citizens, we need to know the exact purpose of these camps, given President Obama’s propensity to bend our constitutional republic to his own purposes!

    (source:http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/new_nationwide_fema_camps_should_raise_eyebrows.html)

    American Thunker and (online) Pravda have a lot in common.

    BillTheCat: You lost me when you use Pravda as a source.

    Let’s see:

    Pravda as news
    Ayn Rand fan
    Global Warming Denier

    Tells me all I need to know.

  85. avatar
    Sef March 12, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    Orly is all “boo hoo” that the California Reps didn’t endorse her yesterday.
    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=22601

  86. avatar
    JPotter March 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    Sef: Orly is all “boo hoo” that the California Reps didn’t endorse her yesterday.http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=22601

    (Awesome cartoon on that site!)

    “The California Republican Party unanimously endorsed Elizabeth Emken, an advocate for developmentally disabled children, to run for the US Senate against Dianne Feinstein. ”

    If that’s the case, how could they tell the difference between Taitz and Emken?

  87. avatar
    bgansel9 March 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Al Halbert: Well Doc I am confused is it not the same issue?How is it that Taitz deserves ridicule, however when Obama exploits the issue without proving his credentials and bona fides he is lauded for doing so?

    Either it is morally wrong for Taitz and Obama to gain remuneration over this issue or it is not?Especially when Obama denigrates those that would continue this issue, then profits from it by continuing the very same issue, sounds like a double standard or hypocrisy, or worse exploitation.

    Keep up, will ya? Orly tries to make it sound like Obama is exploiting the issue and then she turns around and does the same thing. The hypocrisy was already performed before you started typing out the stupidity above.

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