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Taitz v. Feinstein

California has an unusual primary process, since the passage of Prop 14: The top two vote getters are in the primary (regardless of party) face each other in the general election.

The prevailing view is that incumbent Democratic senator Dianne Feinstein will, by far, get the most votes in the Primary and that Republican Orly Taitz, the only other candidate with any name recognition, will come in second and face Feinstein in the general election. Read more at Ballot Access News where one commenter discounted the partial poll results for several reasons, including the margin of error and:

… [A] big portion of Orly’s support is among people under 25 making less than 25K per year and are single women with children. All demographics who either fail to vote come election day or are inconsistent in polls.

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34 Responses to Taitz v. Feinstein

  1. avatar
    Norbrook April 17, 2012 at 6:50 am #

    On the bright side, Orly being the candidate would provide many hours of hilarity.

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    ASK Esq April 17, 2012 at 7:43 am #

    Win or lose, you know she’s going to sue about the results.

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    GeorgetownJD April 17, 2012 at 8:24 am #

    I would love to see Orly take the second seat on the ballot. The damage to the Republican brand would be priceless.

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    Reality Check April 17, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    I will make these predictions:

    1. Orly will not finish second.
    2. Orly will claim she was robbed.
    3. Orly will sue someone.

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    Thrifty April 17, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    I’ve been reading on Orly’s site where she talks about how she’s got this huge groundswell of popular support. I guess this is what she’s referring to? That she’s in a race against a nearly unstoppable juggernaut who the mainstream Republicans aren’t even bothering to try and beat (because they know they’ll lose) and Orly is basically coming in second place by default.

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    Bob April 17, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    She has “name recognition” but not in a good way.

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    JPotter April 17, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    Ballot Access News leans so far over, it’s lying on its right side. Edited by Mr. Winger, heh. I hope Taitz finishes 2nd. The Reds deserve it. Grow nuts, make some butter.

    Edited by Mr. Winger. Right. ;)

    All the coverage focusing on Orly seems to be coming from partisan sources. The GOP endorses Emken.

    “The prospect of Orly Taitz running against Sen. Feinstein would appear to be yet another nail in the state GOP’s coffin, with the potential of turning the party from the statewide laughingstock it is now into a national joke.”
    http://www.pensitoreview.com/2012/04/06/birther-queen-orly-taitz-leads-in-early-polling-in-californias-gop-u-s-senate-primary/

    http://www.calbuzz.com/2012/04/press-clips-the-difi-vs-orly-the-taitz-show/

    http://grumpyelder.com/?p=20132

    http://disbarorlytaitz.blogspot.com/2012/04/orly-taitz-disbarred-and-bragging-on.html

    http://wonkette.com/468572/dentist-lawyer-realtor-birther-orly-taitz-to-have-privilege-of-losing-to-sen-dianne-feinstein

    I trust the offline media will pay attention after the primary. Guessing for now, it’s subject to the birtherism gag rule.

    If Taitz places in the primary, this won’t be the first time a major party endorses its oppostition!

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    bob j April 17, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t her first campaign slogan;

    ” Vote Orly, Vote Often” ?

    and now she is calling a poll 0f 500 eligible voters; the ” most scientific poll” around?

    55 people out of 500 said they would vote for Taitz, and she is screaming victory.

    Haven’t we all seen this before?

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    Thomas Brown April 17, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    Reality Check:
    I will make these predictions:

    1. Orly will not finish second.
    2. Orly will claim she was robbed.
    3. Orly will sue someone.

    Like fallin’ offa log.

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    Lupin April 17, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    You’ve got the circuses part figured out all right. Now to get bread to the hungry…

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    JPotter April 17, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    bob j: 55 people out of 500 said they would vote for Taitz, and she is screaming victory.

    Compared to her legal track record, this represent a ∞% improvement! :D

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    Rickey April 17, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    When is Orly going to produce her naturalization records?

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    Thrifty April 17, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Permit me to play devil’s advocate here for a minute.

    Don’t most surveys have a pretty small sample size?

    bob j:
    Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t her first campaign slogan;

    ” Vote Orly, Vote Often” ?

    and now she is calling a poll 0f 500 eligible voters; the ” most scientific poll” around?

    55 people out of 500 said they would vote for Taitz, and she is screaming victory.

    Haven’t we all seen this before?

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    Northland10 April 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    I do believe Oral Arguments in her appeal of Taitz v Dunn are scheduled for Wednesday. I wonder if she managed to squeeze Feinstein is there.

    Reality Check:
    I will make these predictions:

    1. Orly will not finish second.
    2. Orly will claim she was robbed.
    3. Orly will sue someone.

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    sfjeff April 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    The prospect of Orly as the Republican candidate for Senator in California just makes me giddy with anticipation.

    The mental image of Romney swinging by the state to raise cash and Orly running after him screaming “Leeesten to meeeeee” and being asked by reporters about whether he supports Orly?

    Priceless.

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    traderjack April 17, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    “[A] big portion of Orly’s support is among people under 25 making less than 25K per year and are single women with children. ”

    i thought all of the comments about Orly’s supporters
    were right wing republicans who were elderly and senile and didn’t know any better.

    And now they are saying they are the young workers who don’t earn much money and downplaying them as insignificant.

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    J. Potter April 17, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    traderjack:
    “[A] big portion of Orly’s support is among people under 25 making less than 25K per year and are single women with children. ”

    i thought all of the comments about Orly’s supporterswere right wing republicans who were elderly and senile and didn’t know any better.

    And now they are saying they are the young workers who don’t earn much money and downplaying them as insignificant.

    You’re confusing her online birther-y supporters, who tend to be elderly, white, reactionaries who should know better but have given in to fear, with her local, offline political support in CA, which, according to the partisan “Ballot Access News”, are young, impoverished, single moms who are ‘unreliable’ voters.

    That’s according to BAN which has been quoted many other places.

    I’d say their characterization seems odd.

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    Keith April 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    sfjeff: The prospect of Orly as the Republican candidate for Senator in California just makes me giddy with anticipation.

    Didn’t the Repugs disown their own candidate in California once before? Was it David Duke running for the House somewhere I think?

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    misha April 18, 2012 at 2:14 am #

    sfjeff: The mental image of Romney swinging by the state to raise cash and Orly running after him screaming “Leeesten to meeeeee” and being asked by reporters about whether he supports Orly?

    No, she will be running after Romney demanding he sees Obama’s real birth records. Romney’s father was born in Mexico, so he won’t go near that third rail. But I do see a train wreck on the horizon.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 18, 2012 at 6:09 am #

    Duke was elected to the Louisiana House of Representatives in a special election in 1989.

    He ran for US Senate in 1990, Governor of Louisiana in 1991, the Presidential nomination in 1992, US Senate in 1996 and Congress in 1996 (this is where he was “repudiated” by the Republican party).

    According to Duke, thousands of Tea Party activists urged him to run for President in 2012. http://web.archive.org/web/20110722032238/http://www.davidduke.com/general/will-dr-david-duke-run-for-u-s-president_17873.html

    misha: Didn’t the Repugs disown their own candidate in California once before? Was it David Duke running for the House somewhere I think?

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    Northland10 April 18, 2012 at 6:46 am #

    It is likely many of them are responding to name recognition alone. Since it would typical for many to not follow news very closely, or even at all, they only recognize a handful of political names.

    So Orly’s support, assuming Republican, are low wage single mothers? That would certainly screw up the Republican meme.

    J. Potter: offline political support in CA, according to the partisan “Ballot Access News”, are young, impoverished, single moms who are unreliable’ voters.

    That’s according to BAN which has been quoted many other places.

    I’d say their characterization seems odd.

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    bovril April 18, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    traderjack: “[A] big portion of Orly’s support is among people under 25 making less than 25K per year and are single women with children. ”i thought all of the comments about Orly’s supporterswere right wing republicans who were elderly and senile and didn’t know any better.And now they are saying they are the young workers who don’t earn much money and downplaying them as insignificant.

    Yeah,

    It would be kind of useful for you if you had read the linked post and realised the poster, who apparently according to his bio should know better, seems to have a big old blind spot about CA electoral law and statistics.

    they suggest that Feinstein and Orly Taitz will place first and second. Orly Taitz is on the ballot as a Republican, and no other Republican running in the race holds elected office or enjoys high name recognition.

    See, in CA, the system is that the top two winners of votes IRRESPECTIVE of party get to fight it out, no D and R mandated face off. So you can end up with two R’s, two D’s, or any other mix.

    Next there is the not so minor set of issues that the singular poll that Winger is referring to has

    A margin of error of 4.5%
    Was only taken across 500 individuals
    Was an automated phone poll
    Showed 38% of respondents didn’t have an idea of who they wanted to vote for

    (Not to mention that Pulse Opinion Research got their methodology from….wait for it….the RWNJ polling org of choice…Rasmussens)

    The stats show a statistical dead heat, based on acknowledged error with Orly and Ramirez and that doesn’t even count the 38%’ers. So…..

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    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    Northland10: It is likely many of them are responding to name recognition alone.

    Exactly. If the BAN characterization is accurate, then her offline support is not from birthers ….. nor would the bulk of it be anyway. Birtherism is pretty rare offline, and no one I know knows who Taitz, Corsi, Farah are.

    When not ranting all birther, Taitz may actually be appealing. I’ve seen her position statements on other issues, pretty standard rhetoric.

    But what’s killing me about the BAN “poor single moms under 25″ bit is that that’s not a very politically active demographic. It’s a polling blip. And a tiny slice of the populace. Where’s the polling data? Someone who expresses suppot on a phone call, and an active supporter are two different things. The BAN story is spin …. but meant to champion Taitz as beloved by the downtrodden, or put her down as only having ‘unreliable’ support? I dunno.

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    y_p_w April 18, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    Keith: Didn’t the Repugs disown their own candidate in California once before? Was it David Duke running for the House somewhere I think?

    I do remember when Michael Huffington ran for Senate in California against Feinstein in 1994. Several prominent Republicans in California (including Steve Young) publicly endorsed Feinstein. There were claims that his then wife (Arianna of course) was the driving force behind his rise to power. Now she’s a liberal commentator. Go fig.

    I also remember when some LaRouche fanatics managed to win Democratic primaries in Illinois at a time when an entire ticket was voted in the general election. Adlai Stevenson III actually formed a new party just so he wouldn’t have to run for Governor on the same ticket. None of the primary candidates had much name recognition, and supposedly the names of the major Democratic candidates sounded “too ethnic”.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-03-28/news/mn-620_1_adlai-stevenson
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_Party

  25. avatar
    Thinker April 18, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    To clarify, the blurb in Doc’s article is not from the Ballot Access News article itself. It is from a comment made on the article by a supporter of candidate Al Ramirez.

    JPotter:
    But what’s killing me about the BAN “poor single moms under 25‘ bit is that that’s not a very politically active demographic. It’s a polling blip. And a tiny slice of the populace. Where’s the polling data? Someone who expresses suppot on a phone call, and an active supporter are two different things. The BAN story is spin …. but meant to champion Taitz as beloved by the downtrodden, or put her down as only having unreliable’ support? I dunno.

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    JD Reed April 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    The Republican leadership in Louisiana displayed some common sense and humor when David Duke became the de facto GOP candidate for governor through an open primary system much like California’s today. They printed and distributed bumper stickers that urged “Vote for the crook. It’s important.” This referred, of course, to the legendary Edwin Edwards, who served as the Bayou state’s governor several times, as well as serving several years in federal prison for corruption. Edwards reveled in his reputation as a rogue, at least until the prison doors slammed shut.
    I think California Republicans would take a leaf from their Louisiana counterparts’ book, if Orly were to by some bizarre combination of events finish in the top two in the open primary. But I don’t think this will happen.
    This reminds me of something that Clare Booth Luce wrote a half century ago. (She was the wife of Time-Life media mogul Henry Luce, a magazine editor, a very conservative Republican congresswoman from Conneciticut for two terms, foreign ambassador and a syndicated columnist.)
    Luce had a history with the maverick, Republican-turned-Democrat senator from Oregon, Wayne Morse. She resigned under pressure her appointment as Ambassador to Brazil in the wake of the furor that followed her statement that Wayne Morse’s mentality could be explained by the fact (not) that he had been kicked in the head by a horse.
    Later, she was asked what she would do if, by some odd combination of circumstances, her “old friend” Wayne Morse were to become president. No combination of events could be so odd as to put Morse in the White House, she retorted.
    I think California Republicans will make sure that no combination of events will put Orly Taitz in a Senate seat, or even a runoff for that seat.

  27. avatar
    Daniel April 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    It’s interesting to note that while the poll in question does put Orly ahead of the other GOP candidates….

    “Not Sure” still beats her by a 2 to 1 margin.

    BWAHAHAHAHA

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    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    Thinker: To clarify, the blurb in Doc’s article is not from the Ballot Access News article itself. It is from a comment made on the article by a supporter of candidate Al Ramirez.

    I stand corrected, thanks, thinker! Geez, doc even noted it was a comment. This one really got magled up in the brain blender.

    Looking at it again, I’d say BAN was glossing over the tiny poll sample and the majority representation for “i don’t know”, and the 25K-single-moms-under-25 was a cheap shot from the competition. Wonder if he has any data backing it up, or just pulling from posterior to imply she belongs “in trailer park” as poster ‘Ad hoc’ put it.

    Looking at the polling data (Orly herself was kind (foolish) enough to link to it) … ‘Concerned Californian’ is blatantly lying about the results …. shocking.

    http://attachment.benchmarkemail.com/c74142/Crosstabs_20120308_CA_Primary.xls

    Orly’s ‘support’ in the tiny poll sample is a little bit all over the place….but predominantly married … and all over the income scale.

    Direct link to comment in question (and look farther down for sarcastic response from ‘Ad hoc’) … http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/04/16/fragmentary-california-polling-suggests-orly-taitz-might-place-second-in-u-s-senate-race-on-june-5/comment-page-1/#comment-921886

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    Rickey April 18, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    JD Reed:

    I think California Republicans will make sure that no combination of events will put Orly Taitz in a Senate seat, or even a runoff for that seat.

    If she did somehow get on the ballot for the general election, she would get no financial support from the Republican Party.

    I would love to see a debate between her and Feinstein, though.

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    y_p_w April 18, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    Rickey: I would love to see a debate between her [Taitz] and Feinstein, though.

    Your time is up Ms. Taitz.

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    Keith April 18, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Duke was elected to the Louisiana House of Representatives in a special election in 1989.

    OK, yeah, Duke was from Louisiana. I remember that now.

    There was another one from California, Orange Count I think. I can’t remember if he was an avowed NAZI or KKK supporter, but they party officially disowned him and encouraged voters to support a write-in candidate instead. If I recall correctly the write-in candidate actually won.

    Researching this response, I came up with quite a few examples, Ohio being a recent one where the GOP disowned a NAZI. But I can’t find a reference to the California incident. It was a while back.

    (Doc, you replied to my comment, but it got credited to Misha. I wouldn’t want to unfairly saddle Misha with my disrespectful reference to the Republicans.)

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    Keith April 19, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    Keith: If I recall correctly the write-in candidate actually won.

    I must be wrong there. Wikipedia doesn’t list it in its article on “Write-in candidate”.

    I trust Wikipedia implicitly. 8-)

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    y_p_w April 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    Keith: There was another one from California, Orange Count I think. I can’t remember if he was an avowed NAZI or KKK supporter, but they party officially disowned him and encouraged voters to support a write-in candidate instead. If I recall correctly the write-in candidate actually won.

    I’m not sure any KKK or neo-Nazis managed to get on the ballot, but I mentioned that LaRouche supporters have been candidates for years. They’ve sometimes gotten the Democratic nomination in primaries because there was little name recognition among the candidates. Once in OC one was the only Democratic candidate because no other person bothered to file for candidacy in a Congressional district where there was little chance of beating the Republican incumbent. That would have been all fine and dandy except that the Democratic nominee automatically became a member of the county and state party central committees. They worked on a write-in candidate.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-03-26/news/mn-420_1_orange-county-democratic-party
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-06-05/news/8602090722_1_nominations-for-lieutenant-governor-writer-from-santa-ana-write-in
    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1986-06-18/news/8602050793_1_write-in-votes-bruce-sumner-lyndon-larouche
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19860712&id=1-IzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=6926,1254811
    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-12/news/mn-22662_1_election-night
    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-28/local/me-13913_1_larouche-candidates

    Seems really strange. The write-in candidate was the ostensible winner, then the LaRouche guy was declared the winner days later, then a recount declared the write-in candidate the winner. He tried to get the recount voided in court and lost.

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    Keith April 19, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    y_p_w: Once in OC one was the only Democratic candidate because no other person bothered to file for candidacy in a Congressional district where there was little chance of beating the Republican incumbent.

    Maybe that was the one I’m thinking of. The mind plays wonderful tricks.