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A peculiar story appeared in the Honolulu Star Advertiser newspaper Monday. Two persons identifying themselves as “authorized by the Sheriff of Maricopa County” and carrying badges of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s office showed up at the Department of Health and asked for verification of President Obama’s birth certificate. In addition to Mike Zullo, member of Joe Arpaio’s volunteer Cold Case Posse, was Brian Mackiewcz.

The story does not indicate whether the two were shown a copy of the index of 1961 births which available to the public at the Department of Health. (It would have been a nice touch.) They were, however, shown the legal requirements necessary for them to be eligible to obtain the verification. Presumably they left without getting what they came for. A phone call would have saved a lot of money.

It sounds like a publicity stunt to me.

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71 Responses to Zullo flashes badge in Honolulu

  1. avatar
    Joe Acerbic May 22, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    I guess they were not arrested for impersonating a police officer. Birfoons always get special kid gloves treatment because they’re “special”.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 3:05 am #

    I posted them in the Hawaii,Arizona: hostilities increase thread but there are two other stories on this at WND and the Arizona Republic.

    The WND story says Jerome Corsi is “imbedded” with Zullo and Mackiewcz and he won’t be able to report anything until the trip is over….to “protect the investigation”.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/hawaii-five-o-sheriff-joe-sends-detectives-to-honolulu/?cat_orig=us

    The Republic story has Sheriff Arpaio saying Mackiewcz, a sworn deputy, is accompanying Zullo due to “security issues”.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/05/21/20120521arpaio-obama-birth-funding.html

    At the Secretary of State to the mix and it’s quite clear they’ve gone mad in Arizona.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 3:07 am #

    CarlOrcas: At the Secretary of State

    Make that “Add the Secreary of State……………….”

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    misha May 22, 2012 at 4:48 am #

    CarlOrcas: At the Secretary of State to the mix and it’s quite clear they’ve gone mad in Arizona.

    Gawker – Arizona the worst state in the Union:
    http://gawker.com/5834800/the-worst-50-states-in-america-the-final-five

    “The sheriff of the area is an insane lunatic cowboy wannabe who rules the town like Gene Hackman in the The Quick and the Dead.

    …the state’s governor Jan Brewer, a perky-eyed psychopath who speaks in tongues. Arizona is swiftly devolving into a dystopic free-for-all of armed mad men patrolling the state with guns, often to disastrous effect.”

  5. avatar
    Lupin May 22, 2012 at 5:16 am #

    Thifty is going to get on my case again, but there is something worrisome about a “first world” nation devolving — or some parts of it, to be fair — into “third world” nation behavior.

    I live in the poorest part of France; for those who watch the lovely TV show JUSTIFIED, picture me in the French version of Harlan County, minus the meth labs. And for all the local vices, drunkenness, loutishness, petty crimes, etc. we’re a million times more civilized than what I read about Arizona and some of the other Southern States.

    A civilized society is a compact which to some extent make everyone unhappy because they don’t get their way once in a while; without that compact you get Bosnia, Haiti or Rwanda. I honestly don’t want to see the USofA go that way.

    I’m sure there are plenty of complex reasons for this, and I’m not as much criticizing (something many other Americans have done & are doing much better than I could) but just expressing my concern; that’s all.

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    AnotherBird May 22, 2012 at 5:55 am #

    Wouldn’t the correct paper be needed anyways for such a request? That would have been the first thought, but when you are running a “posse” that could be forgotten.

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    Terry K. May 22, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    TPM has the email chain between Bennett and Hawaiian officials, who patiently explain to Bennett that he has not established his qualifications under Hawaiian law to obtain a copy of Obama’s BC.

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    Scientist May 22, 2012 at 9:03 am #

    Will they be flying from Honolulu to Lansing to check up on Romney’s birth records? I know it isn’t as exotic and delightful as Hawaii, but Michigan can be nice this time of year. They can also stop in Toronto if they don’t find the records in Michigan, in case Mitt’s folks took a quick trip across the border.

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    donna May 22, 2012 at 9:07 am #

    my question is STILL, why isn’t the az AG tom horne speaking speaking with his counterpart in hi?

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    Bob May 22, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    donna:
    my question is STILL, why isn’t the az AG tom horne speaking speaking with his counterpart in hi?

    Because it would immediately be over. WND wants to drag it out and pretend that Hawaii is stonewalling. Publicity is a necessary ingredient of a smear merchant’s business plan. There are “books” to sell.

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    AnotherBird May 22, 2012 at 9:42 am #

    donna:
    my question is STILL, why isn’t the az AG tom horne speaking speaking with his counterpart in hi?

    It makes for better politics in AZ not to.

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    dch May 22, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    The TPM correspondence is great reading. The Arizona SoS Bennett gets totally owned by the HI officials when they ask him to provide evidence that his requests are part of a larger process to vet all candidates. They clearly are experts after 4 years of dealing with delusional birthers. Bennett’s real mistake is doing this in his official capacity IMHO, he is using state resources to carry out a clearly partisan action.

    1. He put his true MOTIVES in writing with the emails to the birther kooks setting himself up for a disaster if he tries to interfere with the ballot.
    2. His actions to date provide clear evidence that he targeted a single individual, corroborating the evidence in the emails.
    3. All of his actions have been directed from his office in his official capacity as SoS – so he is using his state office to thwart access to the ballot – which is beyond just stupid and gets him into a whole new level of risk.

    Can’t the Democratic party just start suing this idiot for interfering in their balloting and electors and get him removed?
    I think he is past the point-of-no-return with his birther emails, he can’t go back and he can’t get to his destination.

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    Arthur May 22, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    And who is to blame for all this? Barack Obama! He’s the one who chose Janet Napolitano, then governor Arizona, to become head of Homeland Security. Jan Brewer was Secretary of State, and per the Arizona constitution, she succeeded Napolitano as governor.

    misha: …the state’s governor Jan Brewer, a perky-eyed psychopath who speaks in tongues. Arizona is swiftly devolving into a dystopic free-for-all of armed mad men patrolling the state with guns, often to disastrous effect.”

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    alg May 22, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Bennett’s easiest way out is to simply say that information referred to him by Hawaii State officials confirms that Obama was born in Hawaii and he doesn’t need any more information. That won’t buy him any friends at the tea party but it may partially restore his credibility among the less rabid parts of his constituency. Then perhaps, by the time his gubernatorial campaign ramps up, people will have forgotten.

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    Paper May 22, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    Not only Thrifty, my friend!

    Long and short, we are not devolving. The challenges of this nature that we face have always been with us. As a whole, it’s not where our momentum is. There are pockets of nonsense, but I’ve travelled and lived all over (this country and world), and for all our issues, we are most definitely not devolving. Our critical challenges are not these sideshows, but the big issues and decisions. Those decisions are off-topic for this blog, and this blog is about the sideshows. I get a lot from this site, but I don’t mistake sideshows for our de-evolution.

    Lupin: Thifty is going to get on my case again, but there is something worrisome about a “first world” nation devolving — or some parts of it, to be fair — into “third world” nation behavior.

    I live in the poorest part of France; for those who watch the lovely TV show JUSTIFIED, picture me in the French version of Harlan County, minus the meth labs. And for all the local vices, drunkenness, loutishness, petty crimes, etc. we’re a million times more civilized than what I read about Arizona and some of the other Southern States.

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    Northland10 May 22, 2012 at 10:45 am #

    Through all the email from the SOS and the posse, I do not recall any of them ever requesting a certified copy from the Obama campaign. If they needed to verify something, wouldn’t it be from a hard copy provided by Obama?

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    Horus May 22, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    dch: Can’t the Democratic party just start suing this idiot for interfering in their balloting and electors and get him removed?

    The party does not need to do a thing, it will burn itself out.
    Bennett will be messing with Federal Law if he tries to keep Obama off the ballot.

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    SluggoJD May 22, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    Arthur:
    And who is to blame for all this? Barack Obama! He’s the one who chose Janet Napolitano, then governor Arizona, to become head ofHomeland Security. Jan Brewer was Secretary of State, and per the Arizona constitution, she succeeded Napolitano as governor.

    Blame?

    Stroke of genius, actually.

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    Benji Franklin May 22, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    Let’s give WND’s Arpaio the benefit of as much doubt as we can muster. Couldn’t the most outlandish claims made by this mob just be typographical errors and insufficient proofreading? Didn’t they really intend to convey the sense as indicated below in CAPS?

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/hawaii-five-o-sheriff-joe-sends-detectives-to-honolulu/?cat_orig=us

    WND reporter Jerome Corsi is embedded (IN BED) with the investigators in Hawaii with the provision that reporting during the trip be curtailed to protect (PROLONG) the investigation.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/05/21/20120521arpaio-obama-birth-funding.html#ixzz1vbsmabIN

    The deputy joined Mike Zullo, a volunteer member of Arpaio’s cold-case posse, in Hawaii this week in part due to “security (INSECURITY) issues,” according to Arpaio, and because the investigation has progressed (PROLAPSED).

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    donna May 22, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    thanks for the giggles – of course i knew that (why the az ag is not involved)

    after all, why put an attorney in contact with an attorney when you have a NEW BIRTHER (as opposed to bennett last year)?

    a NEW BIRTHER, who is considering a run for governor, co-chairs romney’s az campaign and OBVIOUSLY DOESN’T KNOW THE LAW

    i LOVE this part from Nagamine

    As the Secretary and I initially discussed, it appears that you might be eligible for verification of the record based on subparagraph (2), but we need to see what your authority is “to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of your activities.” Will you send me a copy of your law that allows this, and will you send me information that shows:

    (1) What list are you updating?
    (2) Is it your normal procedure to update all entries on your list by requiring birth data verification?
    (3) Are you requiring birth data verification of all entries on your list, rather than just TARGETING ONE NAME on your list? (please provide evidence that you are doing so)

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    misha: …the state’s governor Jan Brewer, a perky-eyed psychopath who speaks in tongues.

    There’s talk she is going to try and run for a third term. Her first came when Janet Napalitano left and she moved up from the Secretary of State’s office. The second she won on her own. Supposedly the Governor is limited to two terms but now they’re arguing about what that means.

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    bgansel9 May 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    Flashing a Maricopa County Sheriff’s badge in Honolulu, Hawaii gets you nothing. Arpaio’s birther posse thugs have no jurisdiction in Hawaii. It is hilarious that they think they do though.

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    bgansel9 May 22, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    CarlOrcas, she would have to circumvent the Arizona Constitution to try it.

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    bgansel9 May 22, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    Note to Doc: I’ve opened up a Facebook page regarding the Ballot Challenge in Arizona. If I get any trolls, I’m sending them to you. 😛

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    bgansel9: CarlOrcas, she would have to circumvent the Arizona Constitution to try it.

    You know that. I know that. I don’t think they do.

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    y_p_w May 22, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    CarlOrcas: There’s talk she is going to try and run for a third term. Her first came when Janet Napalitano left and she moved up from the Secretary of State’s office. The second she won on her own. Supposedly the Governor is limited to two terms but now they’re arguing about what that means.

    The 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution has specific language that anyone who has been elected twice as president can’t be elected again, and that anyone serving at least two years of another President’s term can’t be elected President more than once. It’s pretty clear what the cutoff would be, although I guess that word games could be played as to what “two years” means – either two years until the term is completed or two years until the date of the election. Then there’s the question as to what would be the date of the election. Would it be the day in November or the day that the Electoral College casts its ballots?

    However, that leaves an entirely crazy set of possibilities. The biggest loophole is that it doesn’t set the number of times someone can be elected Vice-President, and that it doesn’t preclude a former President (regardless of the number of terms served) from being elected Vice-President. I’ve heard suggestions that a popular President could theoretically campaign for Vice-President with the implicit understanding that the elected President could resign and elevate that person to President.

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    bgansel9 May 22, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    y_p_w: The 22nd Amendment to the US Consitution…

    Ummm, okay, I’m confused. What does this have to do with the Arizona Governor exactly? The Arizona Governor is elected according to the Arizona Constitution (which also states that a governor cannot serve more than two terms, including through having obtained office through forfeiture of previous official. It’s the same concept, but here in Arizona, our governor is not elected according to the United States Constitution.

    http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/5/1.1.htm

    Article 5, Section 1 (amended) states that no governor shall hold office for more than two terms of four years. Jan Brewer is saying there is ambiguity because the term of office is stated as four years… but if she seeks a third term, does she expect everyone to believe she would resign after two years? Otherwise, if she did not, and she won re-election, she would be in violation of the Constitution after two years.

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    Bob May 22, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    .0001875 % of Arizona’s population told Bennett to jump off a cliff . . . and he did.

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    jayHG May 22, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Wow!! I think that Joke the Shruiff is getting desparate. He’s got some birthers who have pinned all the hopes of seeing President Obama frog marched SOMEWHERE on him, and he’s got to deliver…….SOMETHING.

    Now an actual deputy from Maricopa County has gone with this Zullo nut to Hawaii for…what??? The Hawaii DOH is not going to give random folks, badge or no, any of President Obama’s birther records or ANY records from that department.

    Seriously, this is lunacy and I guess it will be moreso as the election year progresses.

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    y_p_w May 22, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    bgansel9: Ummm, okay, I’m confused. What does this have to do with the Arizona Governor exactly? The Arizona Governor is elected according to the Arizona Constitution (which also states that a governor cannot serve more than two terms, including through having obtained office through forfeiture of previous official. It’s the same concept, but here in Arizona, our governor is not elected according to the United States Constitution. http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/5/1.1.htmArticle 5, Section 1 (amended) states that no governor shall hold office for more than two terms of four years. Jan Brewer is saying there is ambiguity because the term of office is stated as four years… but if she seeks a third term, does she expect everyone to believe she would resign after two years? Otherwise, if she did not, and she won re-election, she would be in violation of the Constitution after two years.

    I’m just saying (without looking up the Arizona Constitution) that there can be backdoor ways into certain offices.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    bgansel9: Article 5, Section 1 (amended) states that no governor shall hold office for more than two terms of four years. Jan Brewer is saying there is ambiguity because the term of office is stated as four years

    As I recall the idea is that her current term…..begun in January 2009 when she moved up to the office – won’t count because it really isn’t a full term.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    jayHG: Seriously, this is lunacy and I guess it will be moreso as the election year progresses.

    As one wit on Talking Points Memo put it: You can’t have crazy with AZ.

  33. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    CarlOrcas: You can’t have crazy with AZ.

    Sheesh……make that You can’t have crazy without AZ.

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    Whatever4 May 22, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    y_p_w:
    However, that leaves an entirely crazy set of possibilities.The biggest loophole is that it doesn’t set the number of times someone can be elected Vice-President, and that it doesn’t preclude a former President (regardless of the number of terms served) from being elected Vice-President.I’ve heard suggestions that a popular President could theoretically campaign for Vice-President with the implicit understanding that the elected President could resign and elevate that person to President.

    The 12th amendment takes care of that.”But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” Since a President who has served his time is no longer eligible to the presidency, he is also no longer eligible to be VP.

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    donna May 22, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    “the elected President could resign and elevate that person to President.”

    you mean president hillary & vp bill?

    Q: Could former President Bill Clinton be vice president?

    A: Probably not, but it’s an untested constitutional conundrum.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/vice-president-bill-clinton/

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    y_p_w May 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Whatever4: The 12th amendment takes care of that.”But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” Since a President who has served his time is no longer eligible to the presidency, he is also no longer eligible to be VP.

    However – what is the “constitutional eligibility”? In generally it’s accepted that it means the base requirements – natural born citizen, at least 35, and a resident of the United States for a certain amount of time. The two term limit is specific about being elected. It would be an interesting case if anyone tried, because the language probably didn’t anticipate anyone trying.

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    bgansel9 May 22, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    CarlOrcas: As I recall the idea is that her current term…..begun in January 2009 when she moved up to the office – won’t count because it really isn’t a full term.

    But, if she were to find a way to get re-elected, and serve four years, she would violate the AZ Constitution after two years.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    bgansel9: But, if she were to find a way to get re-elected, and serve four years, she would violate the AZ Constitution after two years.

    After getting reelected in 2016. She’s find this year.

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    Patrick McKinnion May 22, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    So let’s see….

    We have Arizona’s Secretary of State, who is the state co-chair for the Mitt Romney campaign, having discussions including apparent strategy planning with various members of the “Surprise Tea Party”, which was one of the motivating factors for the Mariposa Cold Case Posse’s “investigation”. And some of whom have members who have written for World Net Daily and the WND affiliated Western Center for “Journalism”. (Remember that the Western Center for “Journalism” is currently ran by GOP dirty trickster Floyd Brown.)

    And said Secretary of State is using taxpayer monies and time to try and force officials in the State of Hawaii to produce information he may not have a legal right to, and is playing partisan games with.

    Then you have a Sheriff who has been using his position to also play partisan games, and who sends a taxpayer-funded deputy to the State of Hawaii as “support” for an “investigator” affiliated with the above mentioned “Surprise Tea Party”, and who also doesn’t have a legal right to the information they’re trying to get. And it just so happens that a “reporter” for World Net Daily – and a reporter that’s known for his lies and political dirty tricks – is “imbedded” with the deputy and “investigator”. Said deputy’s sole purpose seems to be an attempt to intimidate Hawaiian officials, and is part of a MCSO department that the Sheriff in question has used in the past to harass and intimidate his political rivals.

    Oh, and said Sheriff was the 2008 state campaign chairperson for the campaign of…….Mitt Romney.

    Add this all up, and the naked partisan stink can be smelled clear over here in Washington State. And Joseph Farah, though his World Net Daily and his Western Center for “Journalism” is involved in it up to his pornstar mustache. This is heavy-duty political dirty tricks going on, and it has elected officials are using their office and taxpayer money to give it the color of authority. And all involved have clear connections to World Net Daily and it’s cadre of dirty tricksters, the Western Center for “Journalism” and IT’S cadre of dirty tricksters, AND the presidential campaigns supporting Mitt Romney.

    In 2004, Jerome Corsi introduced to political language the term “Swiftboating”.

    I think it’s safe to say this is nothing more than the start of attempts to “Swiftboat” President Obama for partisan gain.

    That’s exactly how I see it. Anyone have anything to add?

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    Scientist May 22, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion: In 2004, Jerome Corsi introduced to political language the term “Swiftboating”.
    I think it’s safe to say this is nothing more than the start of attempts to “Swiftboat” President Obama for partisan gain.
    That’s exactly how I see it. Anyone have anything to add?

    Of course I’m sure Corsi is modelling his campaign on the swiftboating in 2004. I don’t share the opinion that the swiftboat garbage was decisive in 2004-the incumbent usually wins in a non-recession economy and Kerry was a weak candidate (his accomplishments in the Senate were very light for someone of his longevity). Obama is an incumbent and the primary factor is his record (not bad given the circumstances) and whether Rmoney’s plans strike anyone as likely to improve matters (exceedingly doubtful; more likely to make things worse).

    The biggest factor is that the end game is that there is documentary proof in Obama’s case and if Bennett really wants to push things and leave Obama off the ballot, actual paper birth certifiicates can be brought into court. The swiftboat matter was never going to be decided by a judge.

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    Sean May 22, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    I wonder what such a badge would mean legally in Hawaii.

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    dunstvangeet May 22, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    Just wondering. How much is the CCP going to reimburse the Sheriff’s Department? Is it going to be for the cost of the deputy? Is the deputy getting paid during the time that the sheriff sent him to Hawaii? Is he using vacation time and doing this on his own time?

    So, a Deputy Sheriff gets paid a minimum of $44,304 in base salary, they can make as much as $63,003. Now, for math sake, let’s make it easy: 50 weeks (sheriff’s deputies get a minimum of 15 days off a year, 10 paid holidays), and this excursion is taking 1 week of time. So, that’s a minimum of $866.08 in base salary that the CCP should reimburse the people of the great county of Maricopa for use of their deputy. (Divide this by 5 if you want to do daily).

    Benefits are usually somewhere around 1/3rd of your base salary, so let’s say that it’s anywhere from $14,768 to $21001 a year. So, the cold case posse should also repay a minimum of $295.36 for the cost of benefits for that deputy for that week. We’re upto $1161.04 should be recompensated per week of the Deputy’s time, and that’s before we get to the air-fair, meals, hotel, and any other things that people normally get while travelling.

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 22, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    Maybe good for a law enforcement discount at the diner.

    Sean: I wonder what such a badge would mean legally in Hawaii.

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    Bob May 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    It’s clear that Gnome Corsi is trying to swiftboat Obama. With Kerry the charges were vague, open to all sorts of interpretation, and based on what was in his heart and mind — there was no definitive proof of anything. With Obama, there is one sheet of paper in an archives that proves he’s eligible. It just makes Corsi and his flying monkeys look stupid.

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    linda May 22, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    TPM reports that Arpaio said the taxpayers are covering the cost of airfare and hotel for the investigators, plural.

    “He said taxpayers were footing the tab for the airfare and hotel for the investigators, but he hopes the agency will be paid back through private donations. Before now, Arpaio has said the investigation was funded entirely through donations, which are being encouraged by the conspiracy website WorldNetDaily.”
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/arpaio_threats_unit_birther_hawaii_bennett.php

    dunstvangeet: Just wondering. How much is the CCP going to reimburse the Sheriff’s Department? Is it going to be for the cost of the deputy? Is the deputy getting paid during the time that the sheriff sent him to Hawaii? Is he using vacation time and doing this on his own time?

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    James M May 22, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

    Sean:
    I wonder what such a badge would mean legally in Hawaii.

    “Flashing it” with the implication that one is assuming the authority of a law enforcement agent in order to persuade them to violate a state law should be a crime on the order of bribery.

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    misha May 22, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    Sean: I wonder what such a badge would mean legally in Hawaii.

    As much as a decoder ring, from a Crackerback Jox.

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    misha May 22, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    James M: “Flashing it” with the implication that one is assuming the authority of a law enforcement agent in order to persuade them to violate a state law should be a crime on the order of bribery.

    I believe it is a crime. Any lawyers here know what statute they violated?

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    Horus May 22, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    bgansel9: Arpaio’s birther posse thugs have no jurisdiction in Hawaii. It is hilarious that they think they do though.

    They know they don’t have squat, it’s all just part of the show.
    To fleece birthers of even more of their money.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    Sean: I wonder what such a badge would mean legally in Hawaii

    Zullo’s badge means nothing……even in Arizona.

    The other guy’s might mean something depending on Hawaii state law and how it deals with reciprocity. Every state is different.

    Police officers travel to other states all the time for investigations, extraditions, etc.so there’s nothing out of the ordinary about it.

    In this case, however, it’s painfully obvious this is nothing but a publicity stunt….just as Doc noted.

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    Horus May 22, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    Arthur: And who is to blame for all this? Barack Obama! He’s the one who chose Janet Napolitano, then governor Arizona, to become head of Homeland Security. Jan Brewer was Secretary of State, and per the Arizona constitution, she succeeded Napolitano as governor.

    It still amazes me that the office of Governor of my State is not required to have at least a 4 year college degree to hold that office.
    Jan only has an AS in X-ray tech.
    She’s nothing more than a puppet for the private prison industry in AZ.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    misha: I believe it is a crime. Any lawyers here know what statute they violated?

    You’d have to research Hawaii law. It probably isn’t a crime….especially for the sworn deputy. Zullo may be another matter because posse members often get charged with impersonating a police officer in Arizona when they badge a real cop.

    Now….if dumb in public is a crime in Hawaii they may both be in big trouble.

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    misha May 22, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    Horus: She’s nothing more than a puppet for the private prison industry in AZ.

    “The “Kids for cash” scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, PA. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts in order to ensure that the detention centers would be utilized. Ciavarella and Conahan pleaded guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud and conspiracy to defraud the United States (tax evasion) in connection with receiving $2.6 million in payments from managers at PA Child Care in Pittston Township and its sister company Western PA Child Care in Butler County.”

    Read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

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    y_p_w May 22, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Zullo’s badge means nothing……even in Arizona.The other guy’s might mean something depending on Hawaii state law and how it deals with reciprocity. Every state is different.Police officers travel to other states all the time for investigations, extraditions, etc.so there’s nothing out of the ordinary about it.In this case, however, it’s painfully obvious this is nothing but a publicity stunt….just as Doc noted.

    About the only thing I can figure is that Hawaii grants the right for “Qualified Law Enforcement Officers” to carry concealed weapons if they would otherwise be granted that right as sworn officers in their home jurisdiction. They also state that anyone doing so for more than three days would have to register it with the chief of police of the county (all Hawaii local police are county police). They could also only carry while on duty and are limited to only 10 round magazines.

    http://hawaii.gov/ag/criminal_justice/LEO/149331_2.pdf

    I don’t know how this would apply to federal law enforcement. I was under the impression that they are authorized to carry in all 50 states while on duty, and Hawaii would have a tough time restricting them to 10 round magazines. There’s federal law enforcement working all over Hawaii including Secret Service, FBI, etc. If FBI or any number of plainclothed federal law enforcement was sent into Hawaii for an investigate, I doubt they could stop them from carrying concealed weapons.

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    misha May 22, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Horus: She’s nothing more than a puppet for the private prison industry in AZ.

    Arizona’s Private Prison Pay-To-Play Scandal Widens: “Much has been made of Governor Brewer’s intimate ties to Corrections Corporation of America. Her Chief of Staff, Paul Senseman, is a former CCA lobbyist, and his wife is currently a lobbyist for the company. Brewer’s campaign manager and senior policy advisor, Chuck Coughlin, runs a consulting firm that also lobbies for CCA in Arizona. Brewer accepted a total of $60,000 in contributions from people associated with CCA for her campaign…The scandal made waves after the passage of SB1070, raising questions about CCA’s role in drafting legislation that would potentially provide the company with millions more in contracts for immigrant detention facilities in Arizona.”

    Read on:
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/cell-out-arizona/2011/07/20/arizona%E2%80%99s-private-prison-pay-to-play-scandal-widens-chair-of-house-appropriations-committee-appropriated-by-geo-group/

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    y_p_w: About the only thing I can figure is that Hawaii grants the right for “Qualified Law Enforcement Officers” to carry concealed weapons if they would otherwise be granted that right as sworn officers in their home jurisdiction

    As I read the guidelines the officer must also be on “official duty”. That means Sheriff Joe can’t carry when he’s vacationing in Hawaii.

    y_p_w: I don’t know how this would apply to federal law enforcement. I was under the impression that they are authorized to carry in all 50 states while on duty

    Each agency has different rules but generally they are not dependent on state laws for any of their authority.

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    Sean May 22, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Maybe good for a law enforcement discount at the diner.

    I would try to reenact that scene from Bad Lieutenant. “You two are bad girls.”

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    y_p_w May 22, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    CarlOrcas: As I read the guidelines the officer must also be on “official duty”. That means Sheriff Joe can’t carry when he’s vacationing in Hawaii. Each agency has different rules but generally they are not dependent on state laws for any of their authority.

    I’m pretty sure that federal law enforcement is required to have local permission to enforce state or local laws. There’s probably something in Hawaii law to address that.

    However, there’s tons of MPs in Hawaii as well as several National Park Service sites with their own law enforcement. However, I’m pretty sure that federal regs/laws allowing federal LE to carry supercede these laws. I think they usually open carry, although there are probably civilian DoD LE that carry concealed. The NPS also has plainclothed investigators in the US Park Police who often come to investigate incidents.

    I’m just hoping that Arpaio find firsthand that federal law enforcement has the authority to arrest him for criminal violations. Maybe just walk right into his office at the MCSO and come in to arrest him with a small army of FBI and maybe US Marshals for backup. Heck, he’s so unpopular in the area that I wouldn’t be surprised if they couldn’t get Phoenix Police to assist.

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    CarlOrcas May 22, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

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    y_p_w: I’m pretty sure that federal law enforcement is required to have local permission to enforce state or local laws. There’s probably something in Hawaii law to address that.

    I think we’ve been through this before. State law handles this. The two I am most familiar with, Arizona and California, allow most federal officers to enforce state laws without specific permission.

    y_p_w: However, there’s tons of MPs in Hawaii as well as several National Park Service sites with their own law enforcement. However, I’m pretty sure that federal regs/laws allowing federal LE to carry supercede these laws

    I suspect the Supremacy Clause and several decades of case law have settled that.

    y_p_w: I’m just hoping that Arpaio find firsthand that federal law enforcement has the authority to arrest him for criminal violations.

    If and when it happens he will go with a whimper.

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    Keith May 22, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    Arthur:
    And who is to blame for all this? Barack Obama! He’s the one who chose Janet Napolitano, then governor Arizona, to become head ofHomeland Security. Jan Brewer was Secretary of State, and per the Arizona constitution, she succeeded Napolitano as governor.

    Democratic Governors have a habit of getting tapped for Feds duty. Raul Castro (Ambassador to Argentina), Bruce Babbitt (completed his terms before being called to the Interior Ministry), and now Napolitano.

    Republicans, on the other hand have a completely different habit of leaving office under a cloud. Ev Mecham was impeached, recalled, and indicted for a felony; Fife Symington was convicted of bank fraud.

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    Keith May 22, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

    That should be Arizona Democratic Governors and Arizona Republican Governors.

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    Keith May 22, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

    CarlOrcas: There’s talk she is going to try and run for a third term. Her first came when Janet Napalitano left and she moved up from the Secretary of State’s office. The second she won on her own. Supposedly the Governor is limited to two terms but now they’re arguing about what that means.

    I believe the limit is 8 consecutive years, but I haven’t looked it up. A second term would put her over the 8 years.

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    Keith May 22, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    y_p_w: The 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution has specific language that anyone who has been elected twice as president can’t be elected again, and that anyone serving at least two years of another President’s term can’t be elected President more than once.It’s pretty clear what the cutoff would be, although I guess that word games could be played as to what “two years” means – either two years until the term is completed or two years until the date of the election.Then there’s the question as to what would be the date of the election.Would it be the day in November or the day that the Electoral College casts its ballots?

    However, that leaves an entirely crazy set of possibilities.The biggest loophole is that it doesn’t set the number of times someone can be elected Vice-President, and that it doesn’t preclude a former President (regardless of the number of terms served) from being elected Vice-President.I’ve heard suggestions that a popular President could theoretically campaign for Vice-President with the implicit understanding that the elected President could resign and elevate that person to President.

    Nope. The Vice-President has to meet the same qualifications, including years already served as President.

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    misha May 22, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    Keith: Republicans [Governors], on the other hand have a completely different habit of leaving office under a cloud. Ev Mecham was impeached, recalled, and indicted for a felony; Fife Symington was convicted of bank fraud.

    That’s because Republican governors are graduates of the Spiro Agnew School of Public Administration™. They learn vital terms such as Nolo Contendere, and how Jews distort public debate. This last is not an exaggeration. After resigning, Agnew turned out to be an anti-Semite.

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    CarlOrcas May 23, 2012 at 12:31 am #

    I wonder if Zullo and his security detail are still in Hawaii. If they are I’m sure they’ll want to run right down and explain to the Hawaii AG how they got it all wrong.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-for-arizona-secretary-of?ref=fpblg

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    nbc May 23, 2012 at 12:48 am #

    Yeah… Hilarious. When Arpaio is now going to claim that there is something fishy with the electronic version of a certified copy, they can now point to AZ SOS Bennett who has received official verification that President Obama was born in Hawaii..

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    James M May 23, 2012 at 1:15 am #

    CarlOrcas: I wonder if Zullo and his security detail are still in Hawaii.

    I’d love for the other shoe to drop, and learn that they haven’t been _allowed_ to leave until they can convince a magistrate that they didn’t commit a crime when they attempted to persuade a state official to break a state law by flashing their badges, essentially impersonating police officers, knowingly using law enforcement credentials _far_ beyond their jurisdiction.

    Frankly I’m surprised they were not arrested on the spot.

    Maybe they were. We haven’t actually heard from them, have we?

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    richCares May 23, 2012 at 2:53 am #

    “they can now point to AZ SOS Bennett who has received official verification”
    .
    why did sheriff joe send them to Hawaii when it is well known there have been no big foot sightings in Hawaii, and what will sheriff joe say to bennett? and what will the birthers say to bennett? and what will big foot say about sheriff joe, lots of what ifs!
    .
    what’s that about weaving webs?

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    gorefan May 23, 2012 at 2:57 am #

    richCares: what will big foot say about sheriff joe

    Pick one of these:

    http://www.bfro.net/REF/bfmedia.asp#sound

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    misha May 23, 2012 at 3:21 am #

    gorefan: Pick one of these: http://www.bfro.net/REF/bfmedia.asp#sound

    Lay off Bigfoot. He’s in my kitchen having a midnight snack.

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    Lupin May 23, 2012 at 3:52 am #

    Paper: Long and short, we are not devolving. The challenges of this nature that we face have always been with us. As a whole, it’s not where our momentum is. There are pockets of nonsense, but I’ve travelled and lived all over (this country and world), and for all our issues, we are most definitely not devolving. Our critical challenges are not these sideshows, but the big issues and decisions. Those decisions are off-topic for this blog, and this blog is about the sideshows. I get a lot from this site, but I don’t mistake sideshows for our de-evolution.

    I’m glad to hear this, and I certainly hope that you’re correct.