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    Keith July 13, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Sorry Doc, the open mike seems to be closed. This is an elaboration on the ‘its not a theory, dammit’ motif of the last few posts.

    A current ‘theory’ making the rounds in Oz right now is the idea that eating nuts while breast feeding ‘may’ lead to peanut allergy.

    “What we have uncovered is that from a biological point of view, there are risks for breastfeeding if women eat nuts during breastfeeding and probably during pregnancy,” he said.

    “It is probably little fragments of nuts, proteins from nuts that mum had been eating. It is not the breast milk itself, it is the other very microscopic amounts of proteins and so on that you get from eating nuts.

    “We are not saying that breast feeding should be stopped. What we are saying is that there is some risk at breast feeding if you’re eating, if mum is eating peanuts.”

    Translation: “We don’t have any proof that there is any relationship what-so-ever”, but we have invented some anomalies in the stats between Oz and the UK and we aren’t sayin’, we’re just sayin’ “.

    So, I guess they are suggestion that Paraguayan women stopped eating peanuts when they had kids, or there were massive peanut allergy deaths in pre-Columbian South America.

    Peanut allergies are a bloody serious mother-diddling condition that was almost completely unknown until recently. Its just crazy. I have a much more reasonable HYPOTHESIS for the increased incidence of peanut allergy over the last few decades: over protective parents don’t let their kids be kids anymore. Eating dirt is part of being a kid and building up a robust immune system. Turning the home into an antiseptic operating theater doesn’t do anyone any good except the shareholders of the companies that sell the cleaning products. That’s my HYPOTHESIS anyway.

    My money says there is Baby Formula Manufacturer money behind this ‘study’.

    On a vaguely related note, the Australian “National Prescribing Service” (a Government funded foundation to promote the “Quality Use of Medicines”) is running a campaign to get people to challenge their doctor when they are prescribed antibiotics for virus infections. Antibiotics are rapidly losing their effectiveness in Australia because of over-prescription and folks are getting quite nervous about it. I see the US CDC is of a similar mind, and so to the UK DoH and the European Union.

    I’ve been boring people with my HYPOTHESIS about this for 30 years and really ramped it up in Oz when I heard about friends routinely getting antibiotics from their doctor every time they had a little sniffle. Its true that some people are susceptible to bacterial infection when they have a virus; but when everyone is taking antibiotics they are just making them ineffective for those who actually need them.

    I guess this particular HYPOTHESIS of mine has grown up to a full THEORY. Woop for me; sometimes I hate being right.

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    JPotter July 13, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    Keith: Turning the home into an antiseptic operating theater doesn’t do anyone any good except the shareholders of the companies that sell the cleaning products.

    So then, i trust you live in a pig sty? ;)

    Your rant is spot on.

    People get antibiotics for colds?!? That’s ridiculous. Drug abuse, even. Unprovoked pre-emptive strikes on friendly bacteria are bound to do more harm than good. Even justified aggression against malignant bacteria accomplishes a lot of collateral damage.

    Back in the day before antibiotics, when people used silver instead (I wish I was making that up), at least the over-zealous were harming only themselves.

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    Arthur July 13, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    No open thread, so I’ll post this here. It’s not about the eligibility question, but it is related to debunking myths about Obama’s presidency:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 13, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    If I recall correctly, it was the Wall Street Journal that initially published this story. Generally economic policy is off topic for this blog, but there is clearly a connection between telling lies and believing lies about Barack Obama, whether it is about his place of birth, or how much the federal government spends during his administration.

    Politics in the US has been for the last 3 decades more or less dysfunctional. I thought that electing a dedicated pragmatist president would help, but it didn’t. Checks and balances are great, but gridlock is not.

    Arthur: No open thread, so I’ll post this here. It’s not about the eligibility question, but it is related to debunking myths about Obama’s presidency:

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    richCares July 13, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    can someone arrange to have an intelligent member of the press attend the Sheriff Joe July 17 presser? Someone that can ask real questions. Joe is going to present some really silly stuff and needs to be called on it.

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    G July 13, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    Sadly, there is a lot of that that has been happening over the past 2 decades. It seemed they would try to prescribe antibiotics for everything under the sun! I’d say the abuses were more common and worse probably 10 years ago than now. Finally, some doctors have stopped pandering to the hypochondriacs (and drug companies) and have become a lot more conscious about drug-resistant strains developing and a lot more careful in what and when they prescribe such solutions…

    I’ve actually always been the opposite. When doctors used to over-casually try to prescribe antibiotics for me or my wife on severe cold/flu type illnesses, I’d grill them pretty hard to convince me that such medicines were actually necessary / appropriate.

    JPotter: People get antibiotics for colds?!? That’s ridiculous. Drug abuse, even.

    Ah yes, colloidal silver… the stuff that can turn ya blue (for real):

    http://www.davidbarrkirtley.com/blog/?p=1172

    JPotter: Back in the day before antibiotics, when people used silver instead (I wish I was making that up), at least the over-zealous were harming only themselves.

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    G July 13, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    Agreed !!!

    Dr. Conspiracy: Checks and balances are great, but gridlock is not.

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    justlw July 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    http://xkcd.com/1081/

    Off to find a water slide.

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    Lupin July 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/worst-tb-outbreakin-20-years-kept-secret/nPpLs/

    If you get sick, cough on a Republican.

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    Arthur July 13, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I thought that electing a dedicated pragmatist president would help, but it didn’t.

    Same here.

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    Arthur July 13, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    If you haven’t been over to Patrick’s blog, “BadFiction” lately, it’s well worth the visit. Among other things, he has two remarkable videos by Rudy (Lonestar1776) and David Manning. The depth of their lunacy is vividly illustrated by their own words.

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    Michael Heuss July 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    The article picture – I am guess it is representing the fawning of birthers by Joe Arpaio not because he is deer, but in order to get more doe?

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    BillTheCat July 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    Um, anyone know what’s going on with Fogbow? The site is down, fyi.

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    sactosintolerant July 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    richCares:
    can someone arrange to have an intelligent member of the press attend the Sheriff Joe July 17 presser? Someone that can ask real questions.Joe is going to present some really silly stuff and needs to be called on it.

    This bothers me. If he’s gonna have another press conference where he gives ZERO proof of fraud and instead just highlights “anomalies” and shows how fraud COULD be committed (e.g., stamps can be cut with an exacto knife), someone needs to be there to call him out on it in person… or at the very least question him about why he still has no proof and how long he plans to continue an investigation that hasn’t found any proof. I don’t know that there are any members of the media that are knowledgable enough about this nonsense to be equipped to ask the right questions though.

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    G July 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    I’m not sure that any members of the actual real media plan to pay attention to this latest circus act at all. I think they got the clear message the first time around that this was nothing but a nonsensical dog-and-pony farce and not worth spending any further air nor print time on.

    Other than “WND TV” and the same old conspiracy kook hangouts on the internet (and sites like this, which merely monitor the kooks), I’m not aware of anyone else that has any interest or care about Joe’s upcoming stunt on the 17th.

    sactosintolerant: I don’t know that there are any members of the media that are knowledgable enough about this nonsense to be equipped to ask the right questions though.

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    Bob July 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    sactosintolerant: I don’t know that there are any members of the media that are knowledgable enough about this nonsense to be equipped to ask the right questions though.

    Entertainment Tonight should send somebody to ask how the investigation helps WND book and “Birther on Board” bumpersticker sales.

    At any rate, there will be an August Cold Case Posse “press conference” and one in September and one in October (I’m sure).

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    y_p_w July 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    G: Sadly, there is a lot of that that has been happening over the past 2 decades. It seemed they would try to prescribe antibiotics for everything under the sun! I’d say the abuses were more common and worse probably 10 years ago than now. Finally, some doctors have stopped pandering to the hypochondriacs (and drug companies) and have become a lot more conscious about drug-resistant strains developing and a lot more careful in what and when they prescribe such solutions…

    I’ve heard that some patients have specifically asked for Cipro. That’s sort of like using a flamethrower when a flyswatter will do.

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    Rickey July 13, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    G:
    I’m not sure that any members of the actual real media plan to pay attention to this latest circus act at all.I think they got the clear message the first time around that this was nothing but a nonsensical dog-and-pony farce and not worth spending any further air nor print time on.

    Other than “WND TV” and the same old conspiracy kook hangouts on the internet (and sites like this, which merely monitor the kooks), I’m not aware of anyone else that has any interest or care about Joe’s upcoming stunt on the 17th.

    Even the ones who pay attention get a lot of it wrong. Many of them still believe that it’s only about the birth certificate (probably because none of them has ever heard of Vattel).

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    Patrick McKinnion July 13, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    Arthur:
    If you haven’t been over to Patrick’s blog, “BadFiction” lately, it’s well worth the visit. Among other things, he has two remarkable videos by Rudy (Lonestar1776) and David Manning. The depth of their lunacy is vividly illustrated by their own words.

    Why thank you!

    I expect Rudy to be a few french fries short of a happy meal. But I really wasn’t expecting the sheer level of self-loathing and hatred that James Manning showed. It must really be sad to hate your own race that much.

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    G July 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    Yeah…that was quite bizarre and loathesome. Manning is even more messed up than I realized…and I already thought he was extremely messed up!

    Patrick McKinnion: But I really wasn’t expecting the sheer level of self-loathing and hatred that James Manning showed. It must really be sad to hate your own race that much.

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    Arthur July 13, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion: Why thank you!

    My pleasure–I always enjoy reading your summaries of birther nonsense.

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    bovril July 13, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

    Oh don’t forget Randy the Hater is also a “contributer” to the latest write ups for the latest book from that seditious sak of cack Lakin

    http://www.amazon.com/OFFICER-OATH-Constitution-demanded-sacrifice/dp/0578086646/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1342235070&sr=8-2&keywords=terry+lakin

    Feel free to respond… 8-)

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    Rickey July 13, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion: Why thank you!

    I expect Rudy to be a few french fries short of a happy meal. But I really wasn’t expecting the sheer level of self-loathing and hatred that James Manning showed.It must really be sad to hate your own race that much.

    I never miss it when you post something new on Bad Fiction. It is at once entertaining and frightening.

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    bgansel9 July 14, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    G:
    I’m not sure that any members of the actual real media plan to pay attention to this latest circus act at all.I think they got the clear message the first time around that this was nothing but a nonsensical dog-and-pony farce and not worth spending any further air nor print time on.

    Other than “WND TV” and the same old conspiracy kook hangouts on the internet (and sites like this, which merely monitor the kooks), I’m not aware of anyone else that has any interest or care about Joe’s upcoming stunt on the 17th.

    Phoenix New Times wouldn’t miss it for the world. Just letting you know. We have a very anti-Arpaio publication here and they cover absolutely EVERYTHING he does. http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/search/results/keyword:Arpaio/type:all/ (not really in any particular order on the search, but there’s about 3,700 articles just on Arpaio alone).

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    G July 14, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    Good point. Both they (and the OC Register) do a good job of monitoring and reporting on their local kooks.

    bgansel9: Phoenix New Times wouldn’t miss it for the world. Just letting you know. We have a very anti-Arpaio publication here and they cover absolutely EVERYTHING he does. http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/search/results/keyword:Arpaio/type:all/(not really in any particular order on the search, but there’s about 3,700 articles just on Arpaio alone).

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    Keith July 14, 2012 at 1:54 am #

    Anybody see this brilliant put down reported by the PNT?

    Joe Arpaio Owned by the Infamous Duke St. Rollins

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    US Citizen July 14, 2012 at 2:01 am #

    Michael Heuss: The article picture – I am guess it is representing the fawning of birthers by Joe Arpaio not because he is deer, but in order to get more doe?

    Does the deer have a little doe?
    Yeah, two bucks!
    -The Three Stooges

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    linda July 14, 2012 at 3:07 am #

    I always enjoy reading your blog. I have never posted there, but I am a big fan of your work.

    Patrick McKinnion: I expect Rudy to be a few french fries short of a happy meal. But I really wasn’t expecting the sheer level of self-loathing and hatred that James Manning showed. It must really be sad to hate your own race that much.

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    roadburner July 14, 2012 at 5:18 am #

    Keith: Anybody see this brilliant put down reported by the PNT?Joe Arpaio Owned by the Infamous Duke St. Rollins

    LOL!

    if that is henry (and the way its written certainly sounds like it) it probably wont be the last time.

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    Thrifty July 14, 2012 at 6:30 am #

    I was watching Kids in the Hall, and this sketch reminds me of the “Obama has a fake social security number” conspiracy theory.

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    Keith July 14, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    roadburner: LOL!

    if that is henry (and the way its written certainly sounds like it)it probably wont be the last time.

    And the avatar image is Henry. Doesn’t mean anything of course.

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    donna July 14, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    klayman’s haunting the white house

    Judge: W.H. account of health law drafting ‘sparse’

    U.S. District Court Judge Richard Roberts denied the White House’s request to throw out the suit filed by longtime gadfly Larry Klayman and his current organization, Freedom Watch.

    Roberts instructed the White House to decide by August 13 whether to take another shot at convincing the court that the suit was without merit or allow Klayman to take depositions and seek records related to the meetings. In his earlier incarnation, Klayman became the legal scourge of the Clinton Administration by forcing senior officials into lengthy depositions and subjecting them to wide-ranging questions.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/07/judge-wh-account-of-obamacare-drafting-too-sparse-128900.html

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    Well really, the photo is one I took the day before at the house by the lake where I was staying. It has no other intended meaning.

    Michael Heuss: The article picture – I am guess it is representing the fawning of birthers by Joe Arpaio not because he is deer, but in order to get more doe?

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    roadburner July 15, 2012 at 6:56 am #

    Keith: And the avatar image is Henry. Doesn’t mean anything of course.

    just had a hunt around, and it isnt.

    got a delivery very similar though

    i missed the obvious – duke sT ROLLINS

    :D

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    donna July 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s two-ring circus comes to town

    The Ringling Brothers just left Phoenix, but don’t worry, boys and girls: Another circus is coming to town this week, and it’s shaping up to be a real two-ring doozie. In one ring we have a tea party ass-kissing media hog; in the other you’ll find a, well, criminal. Psst! They’re the same guy.

    First up, on Tuesday, July 17, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his sidekick jokers at WorldNetDaily have scheduled a second press conference that promises to reveal even more explosive evidence about the president’s “forged” birth certificate.

    Right on cue, the Globe reported on Arpaio’s earth-shattering investigation. In addition to revealing “Dirty secrets of the NBA champs,” the fish-wrapper’s front page screams, “BUSTED! This man forged Obama birth certificate.” There’s even a photo of the president having a sad and a man hiding his identity, so it must be so. Oh, and Kathie Lee hates Regis. And check out the words beneath the president: “Breaking News: Bloodbath!” Classy.

    more

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/15/1107496/-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-s-two-ring-circus-comes-to-town?showAll=yes

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    misha July 15, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

    US Citizen:
    Does the deer have a little doe?
    Yeah, two bucks! -The Three Stooges

    What’s the difference between Beer Nuts and deer nuts?

    Beer Nuts are $1.79. Deer nuts are under a buck.

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    Keith July 15, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    misha: What’s the difference between Beer Nuts and deer nuts?

    Beer Nuts are $1.79. Deer nuts are under a buck.

    That deserves a rimshot

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    misha July 15, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    Keith: That deserves a rimshot

    [bada-bing]

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    Scientist July 15, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    donna: First up, on Tuesday, July 17, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his sidekick jokers at WorldNetDaily have scheduled a second press conference that promises to reveal even more explosive evidence about the president’s “forged” birth certificate.

    So that will wrap up the Obama investigation and Joe will then be looking into Romney’s taxes and SEC filings and how someone can leave a company while remaining CEO for years after, right?

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    bgansel9 July 15, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    Did you all know about this? I didn’t hear about it.

    The Globe covers birther issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll1ihGd3lCo

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    Arthur July 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    Sublime.

    misha: What’s the difference between Beer Nuts and deer nuts?Beer Nuts are $1.79. Deer nuts are under a buck.

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    Arthur July 15, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Yeah, I heard about it. Since there’s no information, other than an assertion by the Cold Case Posse, I didn’t pay much attention to it. I imagine they’ll have something to say about this on Tuesday.

    bgansel9: Did you all know about this? I didn’t hear about it. The Globe covers birther issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll1ihGd3lCo

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    donna July 15, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    Scientist:

    wrap up? didn’t a book come out after the last episode of la cage aux folles? i hope that joe and his frozen fools get right on all of romney’s issues – mexico is closer than hawaii – one would think that he could just hop over the border and find some romney family records –

    romney gave mccain (from az) 23 years of tax returns – dontcha think sheriff joe has someone who could get their hands on those returns? after all, they’re right there in his own state – “shirley” someone should know something

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 15, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    Oh, I’m loving Ocrazy’s latest squawkings. She’s telling people to DEMAND news outlets pay attention to her. I’m not sure what’s funnier, her ramblings or Seanbaby’s bi-monthly articles at Cracked.

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    Shamalama July 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    Sovereign citizens are featured on tonight’s episode of The Glades.

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    Lupin July 16, 2012 at 2:15 am #

    Totally OT, the Tour de France whizzed through our village yesterday and this is a link to a video Mrs Lupin shot of the event:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuvPOMU5_XI

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    Keith July 16, 2012 at 3:39 am #

    Lupin:
    Totally OT, the Tour de France whizzed through our village yesterday and this is a link to a video Mrs Lupin shot of the event:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuvPOMU5_XI

    Cool. I’m jealous.

    One question and two comments:

    Comment 1: there are lots of Australians in the race this year. Some have crashed out, but there were about 15 that started, I think. Of course Cadel Evans is the defending champ.

    Question: Speaking of Cadel Evans, did you have a pocket full of tacks by any chance?

    Comment 2: Just say no to VVS

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    Greenfinches July 16, 2012 at 7:55 am #

    The Olympic Torch is due in my town today – alas we are in the rainy season here. If M.Lupin could refrain from flaunting his favourable climate please, for a day or three…..

    I will leave it to the BBC to cover the event if I may?

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    donna July 16, 2012 at 8:50 am #

    Trump Calls For Release Of Obama’s College Transcripts, Again

    Donald Trump responded to question about Mitt Romney’s taxes by raising the issue of President Obama’s college transcripts, saying that Mitt Romney should release more of his tax returns when President Obama releases his college “applications and records,” in an interview on “Fox & Friends” Monday morning. Trump said that Romney releasing two years of returns was enough and that he understands not wanting to release more because the Democrats use the information they find to make him look bad.

    Trump hit the issue of Obama’s college transcripts several times in the interview – which he has done repeatedly in the past as well. Trump said that if he were running for president, he would promise to release any amount of tax returns in exchange for Obama’s grades.

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    Lupin July 16, 2012 at 9:04 am #

    Keith: Question: Speaking of Cadel Evans, did you have a pocket full of tacks by any chance?

    This was absolutely awful. Apparently it happened last year at an event in the UK. The guilty party was eventually arrested & turned out to be a pastor! I don’t really know the details.

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    misha July 16, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    Lupin: The guilty party was eventually arrested & turned out to be a pastor!

    He was a minister in the Church of the Holy Mackerel.

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    G July 16, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    Thanks for sharing that, Lupin!

    Wow, they all travel really fast! I was surprised how tight-knit the entire motorcade was and had no idea that there were so many support vehicles that travel with them! To see all those vehicles covered with additional bikes on their roofs was quite a spectacle as well…

    Lupin:
    Totally OT, the Tour de France whizzed through our village yesterday and this is a link to a video Mrs Lupin shot of the event:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuvPOMU5_XI

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 16, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/sheriff-joe-responds-to-smutty-comic/

    So, apparently comedian George Lopez had a few choice words for Sheriff Joe. A lot of F-bombs and harsh insults, nothing unwarranted. And now Ol’ Joe is actually calling for a showdown!

    It amazes me at how much these self-proclaimed defenders of the Constitution bitch and moan when someone exercises their first amendment right.

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    Lupin July 16, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    G: Wow, they all travel really fast!

    Yes — if you blink, WHOOSH! they’re gone. They’re traveling at like 40-50 kph (like 30 mph).

    If you want to see more short videos of our village in Southern France, Mrs Lupin has a few posted on YouTube under her handle “Daylight Possum” (don’t ask). They’re here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGw0OGMEHI&feature=plcp

    It might look quaint and exotic to you folks, a little like the set of the movie CHOCOLATE.

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    G July 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    Thanks for sharing that! It was sad to see many small shop areas closed or not in use (like that interesting market exchange area). Then again, the same has happened in many small towns everywhere here in America…so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that it would be that way in many other parts of the world as well. Some of this is just a result of modernization and the trend towards chain stores over mom & pop shops. Some, I’m sure is also a result of global economic slowdown.

    Lupin: Yes — if you blink, WHOOSH! they’re gone. They’re traveling at like 40-50 kph (like 30 mph).

    If you want to see more short videos of our village in Southern France, Mrs Lupin has a few posted on YouTube under her handle “Daylight Possum” (don’t ask). They’re here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGw0OGMEHI&feature=plcp

    It might look quaint and exotic to you folks, a little like the set of the movie CHOCOLATE.

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    Thomas Brown July 16, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/sheriff-joe-responds-to-smutty-comic/

    So, apparently comedian George Lopez had a few choice words for Sheriff Joe. A lot of F-bombs and harsh insults, nothing unwarranted. And now Ol’ Joe is actually calling for a showdown!

    It amazes me at how much these self-proclaimed defenders of the Constitution bitch and moan when someone exercises their first amendment right.

    In their world, Free Speech, Voting, Civil Rights etc. are only for the Right Kind of People.

    Not those Other People. You know the ones.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 16, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Their world is also flat, and the sun revolves around it.

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    sfjeff July 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    donna: Trump Calls For Release Of Obama’s College Transcripts, Again
    Donald Trump responded to question about Mitt Romney’s taxes by raising the issue of President Obama’s college transcripts, saying that Mitt Romney should release more of his tax returns when President Obama releases his college “applications and records,”

    Everytime someone says that my irony meter breaks.

    They never mention that Romney hasn’t released his college records.

    If Romney really wanted voters to see Obama’s college records, he could simply release his own- which would put real pressure on Obama.

    But that is not the point- from either side.

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    y_p_w July 16, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    Lupin: Yes — if you blink, WHOOSH! they’re gone. They’re traveling at like 40-50 kph (like 30 mph).

    I once saw a photo of a group that set up a table by the side of the road along the countryside. They had everything – bread, wine, cheese like they’d had a nice little party. They raised their glasses as the peloton rode by, and I’m guessing it was over in less than a minute. I guess this is a tradition in the countryside, although I realize that the routes change every year and there’s no guarantee that your location is going to be on the routes the next year.

    I certainly have a lot of respect for the riders, although some Europeans I’ve worked with are cynical that everyone is doped. I remember riding once trying to get to a top speed, and I managed maybe 37 MPH on flat land, but only after drafting off of a group and bursting ahead for the peak speed. I remember Greg Lemond managed to average that for his legendary 1989 time trial finish where he wasn’t even being drafted.

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    donna July 16, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    “They never mention that Romney hasn’t released his college records.”

    and trump NEVER MENTIONS that piece of crap COLB romney released

    a COLB which trump said was useless – you can’t even use it to obtain a passport or a driver’s license he said

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    Sam the Centipede July 16, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    (Re Tour de France topicette)

    y_p_w: I certainly have a lot of respect for the riders, although some Europeans I’ve worked with are cynical that everyone is doped.

    That was certainly a reasonable assumption twenty years ago (perhaps not everyone, but many or most), and about ten years ago there was great cause for skepticism. David Millar tried to race clean then got seduced into doping by peer pressure (of the “you’re crazy if you don’t dope” sort) as much as anything, got caught and punished and is now a strident anti-doper, and his autobiography is an interesting read on the subject as we don’t often get an honest view from the inside.

    But many of the current crop of riders come from a clean racing background, especially the British ones who are an offshoot of the awesome British track team which came to the fore about 8 years ago, and which was ruthlessly clean. They get many of the effects of doping – which often is to allow harder training or quicker recovery – by better carefully targeted training.

    Bradley Wiggins, the current yellow jersey (leader of the Tour) has an interesting article in a very recent edition of The Guardian newspaper entitled Bradley Wiggins: I can never dope because it would cost me everything where he lists how his life would suffer if he were to be caught doping, his reputation, finances, medals, all sorts of things would suffer. Added to that disincentive to doping is also the fact that the anti-doping tests are getting better and better, so it becomes increasingly difficult to get away with it. Lance Armstrong is currently finding life a little hot as his old blood samples are re-tested, especially as I think the French cycling authorities resent him.

    Link to Wiggins article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/jul/13/bradley-wiggins-dope-drugs

    There’s also a cultural thing: the northern Europeans tend to very disapproving of doping whereas the southern Europeans tend to be more ambivalent: when Richard Virenque (a great French “grimpeur”) got caught, the French public didn’t reject him in the same way as, say, the British public would. The attitude was much more “poor lad got tempted and caught, could happen to anyone” rather than “cheating b******d! I spit on him!”.

  62. avatar
    Scientist July 16, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    donna: and trump NEVER MENTIONS that piece of crap COLB romney released
    a COLB which trump said was useless – you can’t even use it to obtain a passport or a driver’s license he said

    You probably couldn’t use the one Romney released, since it is marked “void” and has no seal. Of course, you could use Obama’s.

    Romney’s father released 12 years of tax returns and he wasn’t even the nominee. Talk about evolution going backwards…

  63. avatar
    donna July 16, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    Scientist:

    romney released 23 YEARS of tax returns to mccain – were the contents of those returns the reason why romney wasn’t picked?

    george romney said: “One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show”

  64. avatar
    Lupin July 17, 2012 at 2:04 am #

    G: Thanks for sharing that! It was sad to see many small shop areas closed or not in use (like that interesting market exchange area). Then again, the same has happened in many small towns everywhere here in America…so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that it would be that way in many other parts of the world as well. Some of this is just a result of modernization and the trend towards chain stores over mom & pop shops. Some, I’m sure is also a result of global economic slowdown.

    In the 60s and 70s (berfore we moved there) there was actual industry — rubber and clothing factories — in the area, but they all closed the; the local population dwindled from 5000 to about 1000/1200 where it is today. However we still have 2 groceries, 2 butcher shops, 2 cafés, 1 bank, 2 insurance agents, 2 doctors, 1 pharmacy, 1 gas station, 1 newsagent, 2 bakeries, 1 hotel/restaurant, so it’s not as bad (by far) as many other villages which have little or no services.

  65. avatar
    Lupin July 17, 2012 at 2:07 am #

    Sam the Centipede: That was certainly a reasonable assumption twenty years ago (perhaps not everyone, but many or most), and about ten years ago there was great cause for skepticism. David Millar tried to race clean then got seduced into doping by peer pressure (of the “you’re crazy if you don’t dope” sort) as much as anything, got caught and punished and is now a strident anti-doper, and his autobiography is an interesting read on the subject as we don’t often get an honest view from the inside.

    But many of the current crop of riders come from a clean racing background, especially the British ones who are an offshoot of the awesome British track team which came to the fore about 8 years ago, and which was ruthlessly clean. They get many of the effects of doping – which often is to allow harder training or quicker recovery – by better carefully targeted training.

    Bradley Wiggins, the current yellow jersey (leader of the Tour) has an interesting article in a very recent edition of The Guardian newspaper entitled Bradley Wiggins: I can never dope because it would cost me everything where he lists how his life would suffer if he were to be caught doping, his reputation, finances, medals, all sorts of things would suffer. Added to that disincentive to doping is also the fact that the anti-doping tests are getting better and better, so it becomes increasingly difficult to get away with it. Lance Armstrong is currently finding life a little hot as his old blood samples are re-tested, especially as I think the French cycling authorities resent him.

    I’m inclined to agree with this.

    Armstrong was/is widely unpopular amongst many people (nor just the French; in America too) unlike Greg LeMond who was generally loved by one and all. I have a friend who met both of them in a professional capacity and he thought Armstrong was a dick.

  66. avatar
    Lupin July 17, 2012 at 2:09 am #

    y_p_w: I guess this is a tradition in the countryside, although I realize that the routes change every year and there’s no guarantee that your location is going to be on the routes the next year.

    They announce the exact itinerary months in advance, so you can plan to “follow” the Tour if you’re so inclined. You should see how many British, German, Dutch, Belgian, etc. camping cars travel with the Tour every year.

  67. avatar
    Keith July 17, 2012 at 2:24 am #

    G: It was sad to see many small shop areas closed or not in use

    The guys color commentators for Australian TV (I think its the same ones for the US coverage, but I could be wrong) mentioned that a listener had texted or tweeted a question about the empty villages, spectators yes, but no visible shop and general population are noticeable from helicopter shots, and often even the street level shots don’t show open shops. The commentators said that they too had noticed that over the years, the small villages all seemed to be closed up when the race went through and they didn’t have an explanation.

    My guess is that the Tour is a real circus for locals, and once the tourists have trampled over all the rose bushes, crapped in the wheat fields, and painted grafitti all over the streets, the locals have pretty much glad it only happens once every few years for them.

    Lupin: They announce the exact itinerary months in advance, so you can plan to “follow” the Tour if you’re so inclined. You should see how many British, German, Dutch, Belgian, etc. camping cars travel with the Tour every year.

    Yeah, TdF tours are big business in Australia too. My wife best friends brother has gone 3 times, and is pissed off that he had to miss it this year. They set up packages with ex-riders, like Australian Phil Anderson, and they often ride various stages of the tour route a few days before or after the race goes through.

  68. avatar
    Keith July 17, 2012 at 3:16 am #

    I just had an ‘interesting’ exchange with a ‘correspondent’ on another site.

    He was commenting on an article at Newsbusters.org by someone called Lamar Smith. I’ve never heard of Smith, but the blog masthead claims it is “exposing and combating liberal media bias”. (perhaps someone here is familiar with him?) [Edit: is this the Texas Congressman?]

    The thrust of my correspondents comment was that the mainstream media is in cahoots with the politicians of both sides of the fence, picking and choosing what they report (no kidding?).

    But then, as an example, he highlighted Smith’s observation that when the recent employment figures came out showing job growth but not very good growth, Obama said “see, the private sector is doing fine, but the public sector down”, the media reported it positively, but nobody asked the long term unemployed whether they thought the economy was doing fine. Furthermore, when the Fed released figures showing that household net worth was down 40% from 2005 to 2010 nobody mentioned it at all, let alone asked how that showed the economy was doing fine.

    The point my correspondent was trying to make was that you really need to have a jaundiced eye when reading the mainstream media.

    I guess I had a bit of a field day with that one.

    First I pointed out that Obama didn’t say the economy was doing fine, only that the private sector was apparently doing fine and hiring lots of people compared to the public sector. He was commenting on the reason for the slow over all growth, not on the satisfactory nature of the situation.

    Second I pointed out that net worth statistics over a five year period don’t have anything to do with short term employment figures, 2005 was the height of the property price bubble and 2010 was just about the bottom of it. Why should there be a surprise that household net worth had declined.

    And here is the (vague, I admit) tie in to the topic here. He clearly hadn’t done any fact checking and just relied on Smith’s blog entry that the stats actually showed a 40% decline 2005 – 2010. Just like a birther/conspiracy theorist. Believe any bull crap however obviously doubtful it is, as long as it seems to support your particular paranoic hallucination.

    I looked up the stats and found them here: Balance Sheet of Households and Nonprofit Organizations

    So, what that chart actually shows is that yes, net worth declined 2005-2010 – around 2.5% though, not 40%. Is it any wonder why the MSM didn’t pick up on that story? It is total crappola. A 1600% lie.

    Also the 2012Q1 figures are available, that is why the chart was published at that time. Why weren’t the latest figures used? Because they show a 2.5% growth since 2005 that’s why.

    The propaganda-ist’s stock in trade: Don’t believe my opponents lies, believe mine!

  69. avatar
    linda July 17, 2012 at 4:14 am #

    At the bottom of the article, it says “Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) is Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and Co-Chairman of the Media Fairness Caucus.”

  70. avatar
    linda July 17, 2012 at 4:21 am #

    That pretty much sums it up…

    Keith: The propaganda-ist’s stock in trade: Don’t believe my opponents lies, believe mine!

  71. avatar
    linda July 17, 2012 at 4:46 am #

    Thanks for posting the links. The cyclists were impressive (so fast!) and the town is very charming.

    Lupin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGw0OGMEHI&feature=plcp

    It might look quaint and exotic to you folks, a little like the set of the movie CHOCOLATE.

  72. avatar
    Keith July 17, 2012 at 6:18 am #

    linda:
    That pretty much sums it up…

    Aw well. There goes my fantasy about knowing how to read.

    Thanks Linda.

  73. avatar
    donna July 17, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    Keith:

    my wish is for a media that doesn’t allow false talking points – the problem is, for cable shows to fill their 24/7/365 hot air time, they need guests to return and they won’t return for a 2nd+ visit if they are confronted with their lies – daily, i scream at the tv for things/lies they let go by and for other issues they don’t raise – AND it’s the headline they’re looking for …. the breaking news they’re making which is why your “why” questions don’t get answered – recently i read something about fox v the other cable networks – fox gets 4 subjects to talk about for the entire day – the other networks (msnbc/cnn) have 1 topic they repeat and the other topics are left to the show hosts -

    i don’t know if you know who frank luntz is but he really decides (with bill sammon) what subjects are discussed and the exact words to use (via his focus groups) to promote the conservative agenda on fox:

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html

    a pdf link: THE LANGUAGE OF HEALTHCARE 2009
    THE 10 RULES FOR STOPPING THE “WASHINGTON TAKEOVER” OF HEALTHCARE

    Deconstructing Frank Luntz’s Obstructionist Health Care Reform Memo

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2009/05/06/170766/luntz-memo/

    the politifact “lie of the year” was the frank luntz term “government takeover” of healthcare

    “public option” were nice words … public park/pool/library …. option means choice … also nice

    illegal aliens (scary words) v undocumented immigrants (nicer)

    look at how fox changes the title depending on the audience –

    Fox Nation Vs. Fox News Latino On The New Immigration Policy

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/06/15/fox-nation-vs-fox-news-latino-on-the-new-immigr/186859

    on inauguration eve, luntz held a “secret” dinner with several republicans and they gave birth to their plan to make obama a “one term president”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html

    luntz has taken the other side for dems on climate change – The First Rule of Fighting Climate Change: Don’t Talk About Climate Change

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/gop-pollster-luntz-tells-enviros-stop-talking-climate

    i have heard luntz’s talking points used by boehner and cantor on 60 minutes re “compromise” … instead use “cooperation” and stick to your “principles” you can pull up the 60 minute interviews and see how cantor and boehner stuck to those words – other reps have used the same words and refuse to “compromise” cause that would help obama –

    cantor’s spokesperson even interrupted the interview: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01/03/396439/cantor-taxes-spokesman-reagan/

    it is truly diabolical how the media is not doing their jobs for ratings while, at the same time. manipulating the viewers

  74. avatar
    justlw July 17, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    Meanwhile, former Bush41 Chief of Staff John Sununu has dipped his toes in birfer waters:

    “I wish this president would learn how to be an American” … “He has no idea how the American system functions, and we shouldn’t be surprised about that, because he spent his early years in Hawaii smoking something, spent the next set of years in Indonesia, another set of years in Indonesia. And, frankly, when he came to the U.S. he worked as a community organizer, which is a socialized structure, and then got into politics in Chicago.”

    Sununu was born in Havana, Cuba to an El Salvadoran mom. His tenure as Chief of Staff was marked by an intense interest in traveling to ski lodges and golf resorts on the taxpayer’s dime while promoting the “Thousand Points of Light” program to stop people from frittering away the government’s money on things like basic survival.

  75. avatar
    justlw July 17, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    As I understand this timeline, Obama would have been a pothead in the 3rd grade, and become a community organizer at age 11. Is that about right?

  76. avatar
    JoZeppy July 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    justlw: Meanwhile, former Bush41 Chief of Staff John Sununu has dipped his toes in birfer waters:

    Having known Sununu from his tenure as NH governor, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Since he starts the statement with the President starting off in Hawaii (rather then Kenya), I’m guessing he’s not throwing his lot in with Sheriff Joe….but the statement is pretty ignorant on it’s face….not to mention, he has the President smoking pot as a toddler before his mom moved to Indonesia…

  77. avatar
    justlw July 17, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    JoZeppy: Having known Sununu from his tenure as NH governor, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Well, I did say “dipped his toes.”

    But he’s clearly going for the “otherness” card. What he really seems to be basing it on is the “Obama went to Indonesia for a year or more before/during/after/instead of Columbia” rumor.

  78. avatar
    Master Ennui July 17, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    I am so sick of ‘yadda, yadda, yadda’ with no consensus. Do all you people just like ‘listening to yourselves’? It’s been months, and nothing has been resolved. Don’t you’all have something to do with your lives that will really make a difference? Sounds like you’re all a bunch of dilettantes who are full of yourselves.

  79. avatar
    G July 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    What are you blabbing about here, aimlessly?

    There *IS* a clear consensus, from those who have looked into these rumours seriously:

    Obama was born in the US and is NBC and Birtherism is nothing but nonsense.

    As to the rest of your meaningless rant – read what the purpose of this specific blog site is intended for. It is not that hard. The Visitor’s Guide is clearly marked at the top of the page and explains it all.

    If there isn’t much new to add or say, it simply is because there is NOTHING that is really new in the insanity of Birtherism at all…and hasn’t been for a long time. Just an endless serious of the same cast of scam artists trotting out the same long dead horses, to no effect.

    Are you really that ignorant that you don’t grasp what the internet is and what blog sites are; particularly that independent sites usually have a specific purpose? Yes, people have different interests and hobbies. If you don’t share them, then why are you bothering to troll here at all?

    Sounds like the only one without purpose and nothing to say here is you…

    Master Ennui:
    I am so sick of ‘yadda, yadda, yadda’ with no consensus.Do all you people just like ‘listening to yourselves’?It’s been months, and nothing has been resolved.Don’t you’all have something to do with your lives that will really make a difference? Sounds like you’re all a bunch of dilettantes who are full of yourselves.

  80. avatar
    Thrifty July 17, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

    Do you not understand the concept of a hobby? Do you walk up to people playing Frisbee in the park and say “You dolts! There are more important things to do than play Frisbee!” Not everything in life has to be for the purpose of making a difference.

    Reality reached consensus 4 years ago, when it was settled that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, being a natural born citizen. It’s birthers who can’t seem to decide if he was born in Kenya, or if he was born in Hawaii but it doesn’t matter because he doesn’t have two natural born citizen parents, or if he surrendered his citizenship when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro (he wasn’t adopted by Lolo BTW). We have one logical, consistent narrative and you dopes have about a dozen competing, ludicrous conspiracy theories and crank legal views.

    Master Ennui:
    I am so sick of ‘yadda, yadda, yadda’ with no consensus.Do all you people just like ‘listening to yourselves’?It’s been months, and nothing has been resolved.Don’t you’all have something to do with your lives that will really make a difference? Sounds like you’re all a bunch of dilettantes who are full of yourselves.

  81. avatar
    Arthur July 17, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

    The others aren’t, but I am. Thanks for exposing my life-lie, master bater!

    Master Ennui: Sounds like you’re all a bunch of dilettantes who are full of yourselves.

  82. avatar
    Majority Will July 17, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    “Don’t you’all (sic) have something to do with your lives that will really make a difference?”

    Yes, I troll private blogs and make a fool of myself just to keep testing better irony meters.

    (WOOOSH – that was a clue flying low and fast over the birther bigots’ pinheads.)

  83. avatar
    G July 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    LMAO! Good one. ;)

    Majority Will:
    “Don’t you’all (sic) have something to do with your lives that will really make a difference?”

    Yes, I troll private blogs and make a fool of myself just to keep testing better irony meters.

    (WOOOSH – that was a clue flying low and fast over the birther bigots’ pinheads.)

  84. avatar
    RuhRoh July 18, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Susan Daniels is on the Peter Boyles show right now: http://www.iheart.com/#/live/377/?autoplay=true

  85. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 18, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    Master Ennui:
    I am so sick of ‘yadda, yadda, yadda’ with no consensus.Do all you people just like ‘listening to yourselves’?It’s been months, and nothing has been resolved.Don’t you’all have something to do with your lives that will really make a difference? Sounds like you’re all a bunch of dilettantes who are full of yourselves.

    Like someone else mentioned. Its a hobby. Some of us happen to really enjoy watching completely inept people make complete and utter asses of themselves.

  86. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 18, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    Thrifty: Do you not understand the concept of a hobby? Do you walk up to people playing Frisbee in the park and say “You dolts! There are more important things to do than play Frisbee!” Not everything in life has to be for the purpose of making a difference.Reality reached consensus 4 years ago, when it was settled that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, being a natural born citizen. It’s birthers who can’t seem to decide if he was born in Kenya, or if he was born in Hawaii but it doesn’t matter because he doesn’t have two natural born citizen parents, or if he surrendered his citizenship when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro (he wasn’t adopted by Lolo BTW). We have one logical, consistent narrative and you dopes have about a dozen competing, ludicrous conspiracy theories and crank legal views.

    Are you saying Master Ennui is the Kanye West of birtherstan?

  87. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 18, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    Master Ennui: I am so sick of ‘yadda, yadda, yadda’ with no consensus. Do all you people just like ‘listening to yourselves’? It’s been months, and nothing has been resolved. Don’t you’all have something to do with your lives that will really make a difference? Sounds like you’re all a bunch of dilettantes who are full of yourselves.

    Umm Obama is the President I’d say it’s pretty damned resolved and has been since the election.

  88. avatar
    Thomas Brown July 18, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Like someone else mentioned. Its a hobby. Some of us happen to really enjoy watching completely inept people make complete and utter asses of themselves.

    With me, it’s more like watching a freak show. Only since it’s kind of shameful being entertained by the victims of birth defects and accidents, we are in luck: we can laugh mercilessly at Birfers, ’cause their buffonery and idiocy are plainly self-inflicted.

    And adding to the hilarity is the fact that most of them don’t even realize that they’re the show, or why.

  89. avatar
    bovril July 18, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    At least we have moved on from taking amusement in the clinically mad, in the 17th century a visit to to Bethlem Hospital (Bedlam) was seen as a most refreshing amusement

    http://archive.org/stream/amusementsserio00brow#page/34/mode/2up

    page 34 of “Amusements serious and comical, calculated for the meridian of London”

    Having said that the descriptions of some of the inmates resounds with the dissonance of Birfoons………

  90. avatar
    G July 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Agreed.

    Thomas Brown: we are in luck: we can laugh mercilessly at Birfers, ’cause their buffonery and idiocy are plainly self-inflicted.
    And adding to the hilarity is the fact that most of them don’t even realize that they’re the show, or why.

  91. avatar
    Jim July 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Thomas Brown: With me, it’s more like watching a freak show.

    For me…It’s the Gong Show. I keep waiting for someone to Gong old Joe out!!! :D

  92. avatar
    justlw July 18, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    I think for a lot of us, it’s kind of like we keep getting tossed a logic puzzle that we then get to untangle. “Here’s a load of random stuff, and we think it goes together like this.” And we have fun untwisting it, sort of like a Rubik’s cube.

    For Doc, it’s that he knew Ernő Rubik, and he gets irked when people say the puzzle works in a way that it does not. “The cubes actually have little motors inside them, and they move when you’re not looking!” Well, no.

    The problem is that nowadays we all know the standard moves, so it’s losing its challenge. We’re hungry for new twists, and the CCP just isn’t delivering. And Orly keeps smashing the dang thing on the ground, and yelling, “Look! I solved it!?!”

    Even worse, these things are ridiculously easy to solve when all the faces are… white.

  93. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Note that the number of comments published on the blog has passed 150,000.

  94. avatar
    Jim July 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Note that the number of comments published on the blog has passed 150,000.

    Way to go Doc!

    http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2010/03/157790,xcitefun-congratulations-wish-greeting-card.png

  95. avatar
    donna July 18, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Note that the number of comments published on the blog has passed 150,000.

    mazel tov, doc!!!!

    funny of the day

    Sen. Sherrod Brown’s Wife Makes Conservative Blogger Look Silly

    Connie Schultz, a Pulitzer prize-winning columnist and wife of Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, posted an E-mail exchange between herself and an unnamed, unwitting conservative blogger to her Facebook page Tuesday night.

    The blogger emailed Schultz on July 9 to say, smugly:

    “Dear Ms. Shultz, We are doing an expose on journalists in the elite media who socialize with elected officials they are assigned to cover. We have found numerous photos of you with Sen. Sherrod Brown. In one of them, you appear to be hugging him. Care to comment?”

    Schultz, of course, is married to Brown. She wrote back a day later:

    “Dear Mr. [Name Deleted]:

    I am surprised you did not find a photo of me kissing U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown so hard he passes out from lack of oxygen. He’s really cute. He’s also my husband. You know that, right?”

  96. avatar
    y_p_w July 19, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    I’ve of course taken an interest in all these kooky conspiracy theories. The one birther meme that strikes me as odd but possibly understandable is the claim that there is a microform with Obama’s BC (possibly) that could shed light on this. It’s fed by Orly although it does seem to be a recurring theme in birther commentary.

    The supposed reason is the negative image of the Nordyke BCs, which do look like they came from a negative image from some sort of microform. Of course we understand that they were produced via the photostat process and negative images are typically produced unless they really want to do it twice to get a positive image.

  97. avatar
    donna July 19, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    Lawsuit of the Day: Fun With Hawaii Birth Certificates

    http://abovethelaw.com/2010/07/lawsuit-of-the-day-fun-with-hawaii-birth-certificates/

  98. avatar
    justlw July 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Another question. I’m in the thick of an “Oh, you answered that? Well answer this” thread with someone, and he asks “How could two stamps be placed identically on the two different forms?”

    This seems to be so fringe-y a theory that I can’t even find it discussed in any detail on birther sites, so I’m not even sure which two stamps he’s talking about.

    Any clues?

  99. avatar
    misha July 19, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    Why Sununu and Romney are wrong, and Obama is right:

    It’s Mitt Romney Who Doesn’t Understand America –
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/07/romney-obama-inventions-and-government-money.html

  100. avatar
    misha July 19, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    donna: Lawsuit of the Day: Fun With Hawaii Birth Certificates

    He’s so young, and already so angry and cranky. Hate to think what he’ll be like at 60.

  101. avatar
    G July 19, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    Wow…just…wow!

    Thanks for sharing that!

    All I can say about the Gustafsons… what a bunch of A$$holes !!!

    donna:
    Lawsuit of the Day: Fun With Hawaii Birth Certificates

    http://abovethelaw.com/2010/07/lawsuit-of-the-day-fun-with-hawaii-birth-certificates/

  102. avatar
    G July 19, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Why are you bothering to get into the weeds of irrelvant nits, anyway?

    Birthers simply go there, because they have NO REAL basis to argue in the first place. So they simply chase after meaningless details for the purposes of distracting an argument away from the REAL issues.

    IMHO, it is a waste of time to let them pull that cr@p on you. When they attempt it, simply cut them off and point out that they are picking at irrelevant nits and bring them back to the BIG and real issues that they CAN’T hide from…

    justlw:
    Another question. I’m in the thick of an “Oh, you answered that? Well answer this” thread with someone, and he asks “How could two stamps be placed identically on the two different forms?”

    This seems to be so fringe-y a theory that I can’t even find it discussed in any detail on birther sites, so I’m not even sure which two stamps he’s talking about.

    Any clues?

  103. avatar
    justlw July 19, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    G: Why are you bothering to get into the weeds of irrelvant nits, anyway?

    I just hate to leave them any kind of back door escape, when none is justified.

    I’m of course simultaneously hammering them on the big points, to which they have no response.

  104. avatar
    charo July 19, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    John Drew was mentioned last hour by Rush Limbaugh (in reference to the composite girl Obama dated). It was just a quick mention.

  105. avatar
    donna July 19, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    Hawai’i is one of the few states that does list race information on birth certificates, and does so largely because Native Hawaiians need to be identified as such to qualify for certain Hawaiians-only programs, she said. Affirmative action programs also ask for proof of ethnicity.

    “We don’t force anyone to put down any information,” Okubo said.

    Press release

    Hawaii Department of Health Lifts Race-Requirement for Birth Certificates to Avoid Defending the Out-Dated Policy in Federal Court

    Hawaii is one of the last states in the union to print the race of a child’s parents on his or her birth certificate. Until last week, the state’s policy had been to deny certified copies of birth certificates to parents who choose not to declare a race.

    The main reason why Hawaii demands racial identity on birth certificates is for the benefit of ethnic Hawaiians, who receive race-based benefits from more than 160 federally funded programs, numerous state-funded programs, and numerous private race-based institutions. All such programs are for ethnic Hawaiians exclusively, and require the beneficiaries to prove their racial identity.

    http://www.angelfire.com/big09a/BirthCertificatesRaceRequired.html

  106. avatar
    misha July 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    Mitt Romney fortune built with help from Robert Maxwell and Jack Lyons

    Robert Maxwell and Jack Lyons, two of the most notorious figures in British corporate history, helped Mitt Romney build his $250 million (160 million) fortune, it can be disclosed.

    Read on:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9413564/US-Election-2012-Mitt-Romney-fortune-built-with-help-from-Robert-Maxwell-and-Jack-Lyons.html

    No honor among thieves.

  107. avatar
    JPotter July 20, 2012 at 12:41 am #

    Sam Sewell stopped by Amazon today and dropped some absolute gems. Nthing new, really, just concentrated awesomeness. I think Same may be the most disingenuous person on the planet. Yes, even more so than Corsi!

    http://www.amazon.com/Arpaio-allowed-foreigners-Hawaiian-certificates/forum/Fx3O0GUS5OOQ7GV/Tx1LJFFR7ZP4I2Q/6/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=1936488299&cdMsgID=MxU7P9CN0QJD6&cdMsgNo=128&cdSort=oldest#MxU7P9CN0QJD6

  108. avatar
    Majority Will July 20, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    “We’ve given all you people all you need to know”
    - Ann Romney in an interview on ABC with Robin Roberts

  109. avatar
    JPotter July 20, 2012 at 2:07 am #

    Majority Will:
    “We’ve given all you people all you need to know”
    - Ann Romney in an interview on ABC with Robin Roberts

    I’m loving today’s explanation, given by both husband and wife: “Turning over more would just give ammunition to our opponents.”

    Oh, reeeeeeally?!? How reassuring! Talking around the foot in your mouth is an impresive Stupid Human Trick. now I really, really want to see those return! Just how tasty is this “ammunition”? :D

  110. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 20, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    Left on the Contact form here:

    “So, Dr. Conspiracy, are you a nigger loving lutheran or what?”

  111. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 20, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    Well, he writes for Pravda. What would you expect?

    JPotter: I think Same may be the most disingenuous person on the planet.

  112. avatar
    misha July 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Left on the Contact form here: “So, Dr. Conspiracy, are you a nigger loving lutheran or what?”

    Why am I not surprised?

  113. avatar
    Jim July 20, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Left on the Contact form here:

    “So, Dr. Conspiracy, are you a nigger loving lutheran or what?”

    Some people just can’t admit they’re wrong, can they?

  114. avatar
    misha July 20, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    “are you a nigger loving lutheran or what?”

    No, a Jewish one.

  115. avatar
    misha July 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    Quasimodo places an ad for a bell ringer. Several days later, there was a knocking at Notre Dame’s door.

    Quasimodo opens the door, and a man is there without arms. “I would like to apply as a bell ringer.”

    “Excusé moi monsieur, but you don’t have any arms.” The man indignantly replies, “Are you refusing to hire the handicapped?” Quasimodo replies, “pourquoi pas?” and leads the man to the bell tower. “Let’s see you ring the bells.”

    The man leaps towards the bell, hits it with his head, and it rings. “Oui, mais” Quasimodo says, “can you do this for several hours?” “Mais bien sur,” the man replies. He leaps several times more, and then misses the bell, sails through the opening, and falls to the street.

    Quasimodo makes his way down the stairs, walks up to where the gendarmeries are standing, and looks at the man’s crumpled body. “Mon Dieu,” he says. He is asked by them, “Do you know this man?”

    Quasimodo replies, “No, but his face rings a bell.”

    Thank you. I’ll be here all week.

  116. avatar
    linda July 20, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    Vile!

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Left on the Contact form here:

    “So, Dr. Conspiracy, are you a nigger loving lutheran or what?”

  117. avatar
    Thrifty July 20, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    I’m guessing if you called that guy a racist, he’d get huffy and say “You Obots! Always calling people racist for not loving your precious 0b0z0!”

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Left on the Contact form here:

    “So, Dr. Conspiracy, are you a nigger loving lutheran or what?”

  118. avatar
    JPotter July 20, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Well, he writes for Pravda. What would you expect?

    Ummm ….. The Truth? ;)

  119. avatar
    donna July 21, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    latest red meat

    Wednesday, July 18, 2012

    OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

    In the absence of honor, courage and justice on the part of those serving in the U.S. Congress and Federal Judiciary, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case investigative group has concluded the only law enforcement analysis of the image of Obama’s alleged “Certificate of Live Birth” posted to a government website in April, 2011 and found it to be the product of criminal fraud and document forgery.

    It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitution’s framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.

    http://thedailypen.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/obamas-kenyan-birth-records-discovered.html

  120. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    An appeal to anonymous authority’s accessed to sealed records. Yawn.

    donna: OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

  121. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Actually, I replied: “God is love.” But he had given a bogus email address and it bounced.

    Thrifty: I’m guessing if you called that guy a racist, he’d get huffy and say “You Obots! Always calling people racist for not loving your precious 0b0z0!”

  122. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    Pravda stories from the Rational Wiki:

    The Moon landings are a hoax.
    Global warming is a hoax.
    HIV is a hoax.
    Evolution is a hoax.
    Russia has a HIV vaccine. (Even though it’s a hoax.)
    An alien base was filmed on the moon.
    A time travel machine was created.
    America is ready to attack Russia.
    Nostradamus foresaw World War III in 2010. (Perhaps he saw someone playing Modern Warfare?)
    Atlantis was discovered under Antarctica.
    Human and alien skulls were discovered on Mars.
    Fishermen caught and ate an alien.
    A young boy called Boris Kipriyanovich is an indigo child and the reincarnation of a Martian.

    JPotter: Dr. Conspiracy:
    Well, he writes for Pravda. What would you expect?

    Ummm ….. The Truth? ;)

  123. avatar
    Paper July 21, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Wait a second! Birgthers assemble!

    donna: OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

  124. avatar
    JPotter July 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Pravda stories from the Rational Wiki:

    Like I said, the Truthy Truth! I did not know Sewell writes for a tabloid. I thought he just wrote his own crazy in his newsletters and blog. I’ll give that industry one thing, they do recycle. A lot. It would be greener, and far more helpful of them however, to just stop.

  125. avatar
    Paper July 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    (um…as I was saying…)

    Wait a second! Birthers assemble!

    That’s it! Woah! There are not enough exclamation points in the world for this mind-blowing revelation!!!

    The President is not Ann Dunham’s son! That’s the answer!!!

    He’s the second son of Barack Obama Sr. from another woman in Africa, then slipped into the country here and presented to the world as Ann Dunham’ son!!!!

    Forget the PDF. Here we go, roller coaster fans!!!

    Man, I wish I was the one who pulled this birther truth from his…left shoe!!!

    donna: OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

  126. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    Saw Ocrazy’s latest rant.
    Is there nothing that woman won’t say in an attempt to advance her cause?
    Now she’s using that shooting in Colorado two days ago, as some kind of swipe at Obama.
    I am literally physically ill after reading that.

  127. avatar
    Northland10 July 21, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Actually, I replied: “God is love.” But he had given a bogus email address and it bounced.

    I think some Birthers would do well reading 1 John, Chapter 4 (as would I).

  128. avatar
    Keith July 22, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Is there nothing that woman won’t say in an attempt to advance her cause?

    Since her cause is attention whoring, I think the question answers itself.

  129. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 22, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    Is anyone having problems with email notifications to comments?

  130. avatar
    Lucas Daniel Smith July 23, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    Dear readers of the Obama Conspiracy Theories website,

    Please read my report regarding my friend Phyllis:

    Phyllis Rose Vrettos (August 12, 1942 – July 7, 2012)

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/phyllis-rose-vrettos-august-12-1942-july-7-2012/

    Posting a comment is much like casting a vote so please exercise your right to do so. Thank you.

  131. avatar
    bob j July 23, 2012 at 12:41 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is anyone having problems with email notifications to comments?

    half of the emails go to the spam folder, the other half show in my inbox; there doesn’t seem to be a pattern

  132. avatar
    bob j July 23, 2012 at 12:46 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Saw Ocrazy’s latest rant.
    Is there nothing that woman won’t say in an attempt to advance her cause?
    Now she’s using that shooting in Colorado two days ago, as some kind of swipe at Obama.
    I am literally physically ill after reading that.

    She is also claiming a victory in her Indiana case because her claim has ” standing”. It is the same dance ( the “thank god, finally after 4 years I have won.” shtick.)she did in January when the Georgia case went to the judge. Maybe there will be a historic video soon. It will further distract her followers from the Senate debacle. She has no sense of shame.

    She is also trying to tie the Arizona shooting to the Colorado shooting.

    It is beyond despicable, and I really hope she is held accountable. IANAL, but couldn’t that be construed as libel?

  133. avatar
    G July 23, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    Thanks Lucas for sharing that.

    Although the passing of a friend is always a sad occasion, I found that there was a lot more of Birther-related intrigue to your article than the title proffers.

    I will encourage everyone here to check it out, as it tells quite the cloak-and-dagger paranoia tale of much of the physical custody of your POSFKBC over the past few years. I had always assumed it simply remained in your possession or Steadman ended up bidding it off your eBay or something like that.

    My eyebrows were certainly raised to find out that Mario Apuzzo is your attorney…and that he held onto the POSFKBC for you from 12/8/10 – 9/15/11… (from your attached 11-22-11 letter to Phyllis, page 2, 3rd paragraph)

    …Although from your description, it sounds like there was some problems with the professional service you received from Mr. Apuzzo, as you allude that he ignored your emails and calls to return the POSFKBC to you for months and then finally delivered it, again with no explanation.

    So I am curious about that relationship between you and Mario Apuzzo. Is he still your Attorney? In what capacity does/did he represent you? Was he involved with any of your recent court issues?

    From the description in the letter, it sure sounds that the professional relationship was strained…or at least not up to any minimum responsive standards of what I would expect as a client from an attorney representing me.

    Lucas Daniel Smith:
    Dear readers of the Obama Conspiracy Theories website,

    Please read my report regarding my friend Phyllis:

    Phyllis Rose Vrettos (August 12, 1942 – July 7, 2012)

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/phyllis-rose-vrettos-august-12-1942-july-7-2012/

    Posting a comment is much like casting a vote so please exercise your right to do so. Thank you.

  134. avatar
    linda July 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    Yes, I quit receiving any about a week or so ago. Nothing in the spam folder either.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is anyone having problems with email notifications to comments?

  135. avatar
    linda July 23, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    I hope Romney and company get more flack from the sane members of the party than they get fanmail from the crazies.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-romneys-encouragement-of-the-obama-conspiracies/2012/07/20/gJQAlFXWyW_story.html

  136. avatar
    linda July 23, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Klayman calls Judge Terry Lewis “a very liberal democrat”.

    http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/

  137. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 23, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    His client, Voeltz, called the judge very professional and fair.

    linda: Klayman calls Judge Terry Lewis “a very liberal democrat”.

    I keep wondering how they come up with all these liberal judges in Florida, Mississippi, Georgia and Arizona.

  138. avatar
    nbc July 23, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I keep wondering how they come up with all these liberal judges in Florida, Mississippi, Georgia and Arizona.

    Cognitive dissonance?

  139. avatar
    JPotter July 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I keep wondering how they come up with all these liberal judges in Florida, Mississippi, Georgia and Arizona.

    The defense motions are filed with large envelopes of cash. American greenbacks.

    The birfer bux that accompany birther filings don’t spend so well. Like a MasterCard at the London Olympics!

  140. avatar
    Northland10 July 23, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    Kenneth Allen’s FOIA appeal to the 9th appeals court is another loss.

    http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/memoranda/view_subpage.php?pk_id=0000012105

  141. avatar
    Northland10 July 23, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is anyone having problems with email notifications to comments?

    Can’t help you there. The RSS feed seems fine most of the time (I miss some things pulled from moderation but most of the time it works).

    On a side note, when I enter a comment on my laptop, when I look at it soon after on my android phone (or the other way around), the click to edit is available. This happens even when I am on different networks.

    Edit: Okay.. it appears the actual edit window is blank, so it does not really work. It must be pulling the saved form info on my Name/email.

  142. avatar
    JPotter July 24, 2012 at 12:59 am #

    Input requested and appreciated …!

    I’ve been trying to kill two birds with one stone: 1) catching up on the whole coding business, and 2) breaking a foot or three off in my pet birther, Hermitian. He has been pushing a couple ludicrous, blatant lies and personal attacks, as usual, and is in need of correction.

    I started in on him here: [Ridiculously long Amazon URL]

    Any feedback is appreciated. Especially correcting any errors. Yes, i know I need an editor! … and there is bingo formatting at Amazon. Thanks any and all.

  143. avatar
    Keith July 24, 2012 at 8:25 am #

    I case someone isn’t following the story…

    He’s Baaaa-aack!

  144. avatar
    Thrifty July 24, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    New post on Orly’s site states something that one of our new birther guests has been spouting recently.

    Results of the poll conducted by Komarovski show:89.6% believe that Obama was not born in the US and not eligible, 10.4% believe that he was born in the US and eligible

    Komarovski seems to refer to Leonid Komarovski which…. well a quick glance at the first page of Google reveals several more mentions by Orly Taitz of her appearing on his show, but no reference to his actual show or where you can listen to it. I’m thinking this Leonid Komarovski is just some random goober.

    One time, when I was in the 10th grad, I knew this kid named Kyle in my Biology class. He was a big time Madonna fan, and talked about Madonna a lot. One day, I told Kyle “You’re obsessed with Madonna.” He said “No I’m not.”. I told him I would poll the class and see what they thought. So I went to everyone in our class of 15 students and asked them “Do you think Kyle is obsessed with Madonna?” Everybody responded “yes”.

    It was a small group of people. They all knew Kyle (who was a rather ostentatious character), and they knew his propensity to talk about Madonna a lot. Many of them smiled from amusement when I asked my question. So I get the feeling my sample wasn’t exactly random and unbiased. It was also pretty small.

    This report of the Komarovski poll reminds me of that.

    Can anyone else find anything on this Leonid Komarovski guy? Google isn’t turning up anything more than a bunch of references by Orly Taitz, plus the usual junk you usually get when you Google a non-famous name.

  145. avatar
    Scientist July 24, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    Thrifty: Results of the poll conducted by Komarovski show:89.6% believe that Obama was not born in the US and not eligible, 10.4% believe that he was born in the US and eligible

    The 2 numbers add up to EXACTLY 100%, which is blatantly unreal. Real polls always have some “don’t know/refused to say”. Also what about-”Born in the US and not eligible” and “Not born in the US and eligible”? We know at least some Vattel birthers believe the former and there is no doubt some people believe the latter.

    So the whole thing is crap.

  146. avatar
    donna July 24, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    latest from birtherstan Concerning VALERIE JARRETT

    Valerie is Obama’s personal advisor in the White House.

    Valerie’s grandfather was Robert R. Taylor.

    Robert R. Taylor was confirmed Communist.

    Robert R. Taylor was friends with and worked with Frank Marshall Davis.

    Vernon Jarrett was Valerie’s father-in-law.

    Vernon Jarrett was a confirmed Communist.

    Vernon Jarrett was friends with and worked with Frank Marshall Davis.

    Frank Marshall Davis was a confirmed Communist.

    Frank Marshall Davis was Obama’s mentor in Hawaii.

    Frank Marshall Davis was introduced to Obama by his grandfather Stanley Dunham.

    Obama’s grandfather Stanley Dunham was a suspected Marxist and close friend of Frank Marshall Davis.

  147. avatar
    Rickey July 24, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    donna:
    latest from birtherstanConcerning VALERIE JARRETT

    They love to distort, don’t they? Wikipedia articles on Valerie Jarrett’s grandfather and father-in-law:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Robinson_Taylor

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Jarrett

  148. avatar
    misha July 24, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Rickey: They love to distort, don’t they?

    MB – Michele Bachmann
    MB – Muslim Brotherhood

    Coincidence?

  149. avatar
    Rickey July 24, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    misha:

    MB – Michele Bachmann
    MB – Muslim Brotherhood

    Coincidence?

    I think not!

  150. avatar
    Thrifty July 24, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Interesting. I didn’t notice the sum of exactly 100%. Makes me wonder if the poll was done poorly, or just made up out of whole cloth.

    Scientist: The 2 numbers add up to EXACTLY 100%, which is blatantly unreal.Real polls always have some “don’t know/refused to say”.Also what about-”Born in the US and not eligible” and “Not born in the US and eligible”?We know at least some Vattel birthers believe the former and there is no doubt some people believe the latter.

    So the whole thing is crap.

  151. avatar
    Scientist July 24, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

    Thrifty: Interesting. I didn’t notice the sum of exactly 100%. Makes me wonder if the poll was done poorly, or just made up out of whole cloth.

    I have never seen a legitimate poll with 0% “don’t know/refused to answer”. Especially on a question like this I would expect “Don’t know” to be quite high. It’s garbage.

  152. avatar
    misha July 24, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    Readers may remember that I said progressives believe in the ballot box; conservatives believe in legislating away your opponents:

    Turzai: Voter ID Law Means Romney Can Win PA – “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

    http://www.politicspa.com/turzai-voter-id-law-means-romney-can-win-pa/37153/

    Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Threatens To Disenfranchise Nearly 10 Percent Of State’s Voters – Republicans have remained steadfast in claiming that the measures are necessary to prevent voter fraud, an occurrence that is, by most calculations, small.

    According to frequently cited studies on voter fraud, there were a grand total of 13 “credible cases of in-person voter impersonation” — one of the types of fraud most frequently targeted by voter ID champions — recorded from 2000 to 2010. As Comedy Central’s Indecision blog points out, exploding toilets and deaths by television are far more common.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/pennsylvania-voter-id-law_n_1652469.html

  153. avatar
    misha July 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Tea party leader says all Muslims a ‘threat’ to U.S.; seeks recall of McCain – While Harris has many problems with McCain, a mass email he sent out focused solely on the senator’s recent defense of Huma Abedin, a top aide to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Harris accused Abedin of having ties to an Islamic extremist group, and he objected to the fact that a Muslim was working for the State Department in the first place.

    “…anyone that is a Muslim is a threat to this country, and that’s a fact,” Harris told the Arizona Capitol Times. “There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim…”

    Turkey is part of Nato.
    http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/07/23/tea-party-leader-says-all-muslims-a-threat-to-u-s-seeks-recall-of-mccain/

  154. avatar
    Majority Will July 24, 2012 at 4:31 pm #

    (excerpt) Mike Zullo is called the lead investigator for the Cold Case Posse. Last week, he told a room full of reporters that he had five years of experience as a police officer in Demarest, NJ. An online search shows the Demarest Police Department currently employs nine police officers. You can see the website here (http://www.demarestnj.net/Police.php).

    Zullo also reportedly worked as a private investigator before moving to the Valley in the early 1990s. For the past 20 years, Zullo has worked in the car sales business, most recently serving as president and CEO of the company, Autotruth. He did not reveal that information during last week’s news conference.

    http://www.kpho.com/story/19094741/cold-case-posse-lacks-law-enforcement-experience

  155. avatar
    donna July 24, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    Majority Will: re zullo

    there is no mention of Zullo in the New Jersey public employees pension system, so if he did retire as a police officer, he didn’t do so in the traditional manner. Assuming, of course, that he was a police officer in the first place.

    A 1998 Bergen Record article also describes him as a “former private investigator” living in the Phoenix, Az. area.

    Zullo does not self-identify now as an active private investigator. In fact, a check of Arizona private investigator licenses shows only that someone named Gary Zullo had a PI license in the state, but that expired nearly eight years ago.

    Now, Arizona law says that to legally work as a PI, or do any “investigative” work, you have to have a license. And here’s how the Arizona Revised Statutes defines “private investigator:

    http://turningthescale.net/?p=688

  156. avatar
    Arthur July 24, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    Majority Will: Zullo also reportedly worked as a private investigator before moving to the Valley in the early 1990s. For the past 20 years, Zullo has worked in the car sales business, most recently serving as president and CEO of the company, Autotruth. He did not reveal that information during last week’s news conference.
    http://www.kpho.com/story/19094741/cold-case-posse-lacks-law-enforcement-experience

    Thanks for this link. According to the news investiagion, the CCP is selling it’s report on Amazon for $7.99 in violation of Maricopa county’s code of conduct. Specifically,
    “Employee’s (and volunteers) are prohibited from using their official position . . . for . . . Personal or financial gain.” Zullo claims that the money he’s earned in book sales has been donated to his church. Critic’s argue that the proper thing for Zullo to do would be to make his report available on-line for free.

  157. avatar
    Scientist July 24, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    Majority Will: For the past 20 years, Zullo has worked in the car sales business, most recently serving as president and CEO of the company, Autotruth. He did not reveal that information during last week’s news conference.

    That certainly fits. “This car was driven by a little old lady to church on Sunday” and “This is the 1961 code manual” were probably delivered wiith the same smirk and tone of voice. Same amount of truth in the 2 also.

  158. avatar
    JPotter July 24, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    This appears to be what Art 2 SuperPAC is running in the Moonie Times:

    http://www.art2superpac.com/UserFiles/file/A18-WTNA07232012.pdf

    :D

  159. avatar
    JPotter July 24, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    Arthur: Critic’s argue that the proper thing for Zullo to do would be to make his report available on-line for free.

    Well, duh, taxpayers have contributed to it. Even if all other expenses are covered by donations / volunteering, who’s paying for the Sheriff’s time? How much does it cost to hire a county Sheriff for appearances?

  160. avatar
    Arthur July 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    And now, the Western Center for Journalism wonders if the government was involved:http://www.westernjournalism.com/was-colorado-shooting-staged-by-the-government/

  161. avatar
    misha July 24, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

    Arthur: And now, the Western Center for Journalism wonders if the government was involved

    Orly beat them to it. She’s crazier than the Western Center for Journalism.

  162. avatar
    Thrifty July 24, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    I was reading an article about the guy who shot up that theater last week. Turns out that they arrested him, and their holding him in solitary in prison while the district attorney’s office puts together a case Which seems weird after following Joe Arapaio’s antics. Aren’t they supposed to hold a bunch of press conferences saying stuff like “Here’s the evidence that this guy shot up a theater. Someone should do something about this!”

  163. avatar
    Arthur July 24, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    Thrifty: Aren’t they supposed to hold a bunch of press conferences saying stuff like “Here’s the evidence that this guy shot up a theater. Someone should do something about this!”

    LOL!

  164. avatar
    Arthur July 24, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    JPotter: Well, duh, taxpayers have contributed to it. Even if all other expenses are covered by donations / volunteering, who’s paying for the Sheriff’s time? How much does it cost to hire a county Sheriff for appearances?

    I also flabergasted that state funds supported writing a report, and that the funds received by sales is being given to a church. Can you imagine what the reaction would be if that money was going to mosque?

  165. avatar
    JPotter July 24, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    Arthur: I also flabergasted that state funds supported writing a report, and that the funds received by sales is being given to a church.

    A violation of separation of church and state? ;)

    Arthur: Can you imagine what the reaction would be if that money was going to mosque?

    Keep your hopes up …. he didn’t specify which church! He was pandering. There’s all kinds of ‘churches’ out there!

  166. avatar
    JPotter July 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

    Thrifty: Aren’t they supposed to hold a bunch of press conferences saying stuff like “Here’s the evidence that this guy shot up a theater. Someone should do something about this!”

    What do they have Holmes on? Eyewitness accounts? A confession? Hearsay. Powder residue? Lots of American enjoy shooting.

    They have to write a book, then they can hold a press conference.

  167. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 25, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    This is unrelated but damn funny. I get a news feed on my Wii, and some of the stories this week have covered Sheriff Joe’s trial. One of the stories was about how he, despite being very vocal and showy, became suddenly very quiet in court after some of his own BS was played back to him. He claims that he’s fighting the flu. Yeah, right. he also claimed that him calling hispanics, “dirty” was taken out of context, and that he didn’t REALLY mean that he was “honored” to have his department compared to the Klan.

    Stick a fork in him, he his done! But be sure to put him in the garbage, as that ham is well past it’s prime.

  168. avatar
    Majority Will July 25, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    Romney camp denies “Anglo-Saxon heritage” comment

    (excerpt) According to the Telegraph, the adviser suggested that Mr. Obama could not understand the depth of the relationship between the two countries because he cannot fully appreciate the shared “Anglo-Saxon heritage.”

    “We are part of an Anglo-Saxon heritage, and he feels that the special relationship is special,” the adviser said of Romney, according to the Telegraph: “The White House didn’t fully appreciate the shared history we have.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57479578-503544/romney-camp-denies-anglo-saxon-heritage-comment/

  169. avatar
    donna July 25, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    Majority Will:

    does anyone deny that his “adviser” meant what he said?

    this is on top of we are a “christian” nation

    oh and only the RIGHT KIND of christian

    recently: Bachmann Tells Hagee’s Flock About Obama’s Love Affair With Evil Muslims

    hagee called the catholic church “whore of Babylon” with the pope as Anti-Christ

    the catholic league’s donohue said of hagee:

    “If someone said to me: who is the biggest anti-Catholic bigot in the evangelical community, I would say hands down, John Hagee.”

    it wasn’t bad enough that he used the Australian Foreign Minister’s comments to support his theory that America has “declined” under President Obama – a comment carr said romney “misinterpreted”

    A spokesman yesterday said Mr Romney’s interpretation was not correct.

    ”Senator Carr was arguing the case that America’s economy is stronger than it is given credit for,” he said. He said the Foreign Minister had offered the same diagnosis to World Bank chief, Bob Zoellick.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/romney-misinterprets-carr-on-us-decline-20120723-22kpo.html#ixzz21ePOZEY1

    i’m of the firm belief that voices get louder from people who are losing

    whether it’s the birthers, pat buchanan’s America is “disintegrating” because “white America is an endangered species”, the numerous abortion/contraception bills, the erroneous voter ID/fraud laws, marriage equality and gay rights, opposition, etc, a “black guy” in the white house was the last straw

  170. avatar
    Majority Will July 25, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    donna:
    Majority Will:

    does anyone deny that his “adviser” meant what he said?

    this is on top of we are a “christian” nation

    oh and only the RIGHT KIND of christian

    recently: Bachmann Tells Hagee’s Flock About Obama’s Love Affair With Evil Muslims

    hagee called the catholic church “whore of Babylon” with the pope as Anti-Christ

    the catholic league’s donohue said of hagee:

    “If someone said to me: who is the biggest anti-Catholic bigot in the evangelical community, I would say hands down, John Hagee.”

    it wasn’t bad enough that he used the Australian Foreign Minister’s comments to support his theory that America has “declined” under President Obama – a comment carr said romney “misinterpreted”

    A spokesman yesterday said Mr Romney’s interpretation was not correct.

    ”Senator Carr was arguing the case that America’s economy is stronger than it is given credit for,” he said. He said the Foreign Minister had offered the same diagnosis to World Bank chief, Bob Zoellick.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/romney-misinterprets-carr-on-us-decline-20120723-22kpo.html#ixzz21ePOZEY1

    i’m of the firm belief that voices get louder from people who are losing

    whether it’s the birthers, pat buchanan’s America is “disintegrating” because “white America is an endangered species”, the numerous abortion/contraception bills, the erroneous voter ID/fraud laws, marriage equality and gay rights, opposition, etc, a “black guy” in the white house was the last straw

    Ask John Sununu:

    “I Wish This President Would Learn How To Be An American.”

  171. avatar
    donna July 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    Majority Will: Ask John Sununu: “I Wish This President Would Learn How To Be An American.”

    and HIS background (i stole from another poster)?

    Sununu was born in Havana, Cuba, the son of Victoria (née Dada) and John Saleh Sununu, an international film distributor.

    He is of Palestinian Christian and Greek descent.

    His father grew up in Jerusalem and his mother was born in San Salvador, El Salvador.

    His tenure as Chief of Staff was marked by an intense interest in traveling to ski lodges and golf resorts on the taxpayer’s dime while promoting the “Thousand Points of Light” program to stop people from frittering away the government’s money on things like basic survival.

  172. avatar
    misha July 25, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    JPotter: There’s all kinds of ‘churches’ out there!

    A Pastafarian, I see.

    donna: His tenure as Chief of Staff was marked by an intense interest in traveling to ski lodges and golf resorts on the taxpayer’s dime while promoting the “Thousand Points of Light” program to stop people from frittering away the government’s money on things like basic survival.

    As White House Chief of Staff, Sununu reportedly took personal trips, for skiing and other purposes, and classified them as official, for purposes such as conservation or promoting the Thousand Points of Light. The Washington Post wrote that Sununu’s jets “took him to fat-cat Republican fund-raisers, ski lodges, golf resorts and even his dentist in Boston.” Sununu had paid the government only $892 for his more than $615,000 worth of military jet travel. Sununu said that his use of the jets was necessary because he had to be near a telephone at all times for reasons of national security. Sununu became the subject of much late-night television humor over the incident. Sununu worsened the situation shortly afterwards when, after leaking rumors of financial difficulties in his family, he traveled to a rare stamp auction at Christie’s auction house in New York City from Washington in a government limousine, spending $5,000 on rare stamps. Sununu then sent the car and driver back to Washington unoccupied while he returned on a corporate jet.

    Sununu repaid over $47,000 to the government for the flights on the orders of White House counsel C. Boyden Gray, with the help of the Republican Party. However, the reimbursements were at commercial rates, which are about one-tenth the cost of the actual flights; one ski trip to Vail, Colorado alone had cost taxpayers $86,330.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Sununu

  173. avatar
    JOHN WAYNE July 25, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

    $25,000 Challenge to General Colin Powell
    Article II Super PAC

    On August 8, 2011 the Birther Summit issued a challenge to Gen. Colin Powell (Ret) to review a mountain of evidence clearly demonstrating the birth certificate officially released by the White House and posted on its server on April 27, 2011 was a forgery.

    Nine days later, the Arizona “Surprise Tea Party” collected 242 signatures on a petition requesting Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona to conduct an investigation into the birth certificate posted on the White House servers on April 27, 2011.

    One man honored his Oath of Office by immediately launching an investigation, while the other dismissed “We the People’s” challenge in classic Alinsky style — ridicule.

    Article II Super PAC revisited the original challenge and upped the ante. We are giving General Colin Powell a second chance to do what an honorable man does–honor his Oath. We are challenging him “to meet with Sheriff Arpaio in the reasonably near future, review the evidence, and issue a statement regarding that evidence. If you choose to accept this challenge, which we pray you will do, then we will make a $25,000 donation to the Wounded Warrior Project in your name.”

    Duty, honor and country–does it still matter? Will Gen. Colin Powell accept Article II Super PAC’s Challenge?

  174. avatar
    Potter, J. July 25, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    misha: Sununu repaid over $47,000 to the government for the flights on the orders of White House counsel C. Boyden Gray, with the help of the Republican Party. However, the reimbursements were at commercial rates, which are about one-tenth the cost of the actual flights; one ski trip to Vail, Colorado alone had cost taxpayers $86,330.

    So, when Sunununununu opines Obama should learn to act like a “Real American”, he means he can’t trust a man who doesn’t embezzle?

  175. avatar
    G July 25, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    LMAO! Good for him! May all of these lying scammers have their day of being of being hoisted on their own petard and skewered by their own remarks.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    This is unrelated but damn funny. I get a news feed on my Wii, and some of the stories this week have covered Sheriff Joe’s trial. One of the stories was about how he, despite being very vocal and showy, became suddenly very quiet in court after some of his own BS was played back to him. He claims that he’s fighting the flu. Yeah, right. he also claimed that him calling hispanics, “dirty” was taken out of context, and that he didn’t REALLY mean that he was “honored” to have his department compared to the Klan.

    Stick a fork in him, he his done! But be sure to put him in the garbage, as that ham is well past it’s prime.

  176. avatar
    G July 25, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Agreed.

    donna: i’m of the firm belief that voices get louder from people who are losing
    whether it’s the birthers, pat buchanan’s America is “disintegrating” because “white America is an endangered species”, the numerous abortion/contraception bills, the erroneous voter ID/fraud laws, marriage equality and gay rights, opposition, etc, a “black guy” in the white house was the last straw

  177. avatar
    G July 25, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    LMAO! Good one!

    Potter, J.: So, when Sunununununu opines Obama should learn to act like a “Real American”, he means he can’t trust a man who doesn’t embezzle?

  178. avatar
    nbc July 25, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    Orly has filed a motion for mandamus/prohibition/quo warranto arguing that President Obama’s name on the ballot is in violation of Indiana Law.

    I show why she will fail

    First of all, President Obama’s name is correctly represented on the ballot, Orly just failed to read further. Second of all, a mandamus cannot be used in an instance where Orly already had the statutory opportunity to object, and finally, Orly has no direct interest in the office and thus cannot use Quo Warranto (assuming that there is even a public office of ‘nominee for the President’).

    So many problems… Did I miss my calling and should I have entered law school? :-)

    All joking aside, anyone with a computer and an internet connection could have found what I found in a few hours of effort.

  179. avatar
    Scientist July 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    Potter, J.: So, when Sunununununu opines Obama should learn to act like a “Real American”, he means he can’t trust a man who doesn’t embezzle?

    Sununu’s boss is learning to “act” like an actual person for the campaign (not well, I might say). Afterwards, he will go back to acting like a corporation.

  180. avatar
    donna July 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    MSNBC: What Now? The corrupt Cold Case Posse

    welcome back. time for “what now.” cold case posse lead investigator mike zulo admits that he violated the maricopa county sheriff’s office code of conduct for accepting $ 1400 for the sale of the ebook version of his investigation into president obama’s birth certificate. meanwhile, arizona sheriff joe arpaio is taking the stand today over allegations of racial profiling and targeting latinos. hugo, does it surprise anybody on earth that the cold case posse may not be the crackerjack investigative team that sheriff joe thought they might be?

    i’m not surprised. these are fun, crazy people out there having a fun, crazy time.

    the sheriff did a good job of helping this issue jump the shark. it is in the realm of
    the absurd, is it not?

    …… how do we know that someone didn’t go to every library in hawaii and change the microfiche?

    been there for a long time. conspiracy theories have long lives in america. think about the zapruder film. obviously that involved the assassination of a president but 30 years later, oliver stone made a movie about that for people who are fevered in their minds and paranoid and lunatics, this won’t stop this year or next year. it will go on — barack obama will leave office and people will still be saying this was true 20 years from now.

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/now-with-alex-wagner/48304130/#48304130

    via http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/msnbc-what-now-the-corrupt-cold-case-posse/

  181. avatar
    Potter, J. July 25, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    Scientist: acting

    Acting?

    It occurred to me yesterday that …. after years of levelling various derogatory memes against Obama …. de birfers have been rewarded: by getting to choose between Obama and a guy who actually is everything they say Obama is! LOL!

    But he has the right complexion, that absolves all. ;)

  182. avatar
    The Magic M July 26, 2012 at 8:00 am #

    nbc: Did I miss my calling and should I have entered law school?

    If Orly made it, anyone can make it.

    Echoing Frank Sinatra’s famous words: “If you can make it there, you’ll make it anywhere”.
    I personally prefer quoting Holly Johnson: “There’s a place // Where a kid without a cent // He can grow up // To be President” (the unabridged Vattelist edition of course has “Where a kid without a cent but two citizen parents”).

  183. avatar
    donna July 26, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    A new right-wing PAC which has not yet identified any donors is running birther ads on cable television:

    Conservative Majority Fund Shady Past (call a # and sign a demand to remove obama)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t2ZTYRjPP4

  184. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    While it’s a little off topic for an article, this Atlanta Journal Constitution article about birther attorney Mark Hatfield’s re-election bid is quite interesting:

    http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/07/23/youtube-and-a-hot-state-senate-race-in-south-georgia/

  185. avatar
    Potter, J. July 26, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: While it’s a little off topic for an article, this Atlanta Journal Constitution article about birther attorney Mark Hatfield’s re-election bid is quite interesting:

    The GOP is actively trying to weed out the nutters LOL! Awesome. Thanks for that.

    Another entry for the Birtherism: Costs & Consequences Ledger.

  186. avatar
    misha July 26, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    While it’s a little off topic for an article, this Atlanta Journal Constitution article about birther attorney Mark Hatfield’s re-election bid is quite interesting:

    http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/07/23/youtube-and-a-hot-state-senate-race-in-south-georgia/

    From that article: “Harper says he’ll protect our Christian conservative values”

    US Constitution,Article VI, paragraph 3: “…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

  187. avatar
    G July 26, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    Thanks for finding and sharing that.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    While it’s a little off topic for an article, this Atlanta Journal Constitution article about birther attorney Mark Hatfield’s re-election bid is quite interesting:

    http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/07/23/youtube-and-a-hot-state-senate-race-in-south-georgia/

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