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More racist comments at ORYR

I’ve been spending a little more time over at the Obama Release Your Records site as a result of the article there about the box labels on INS records at the National Archives. What struck me is the detachment from reality that I saw in comments on that article. Folks there say all sorts of things, declaring them facts, without any sources whatever. It’s almost like they were taking some hallucinogenic drug that made them see things that aren’t there. Further, they accept such things uncritically from others.

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One must wonder how and why these fantasies are so easily spun from straw into gold and how they believe that anybody and everybody is a participant in the conspiracy that  stretches from this blog to the highest positions in the US Government. One commenter (“Natural-born citizen”) made up this story about us:

Knowing you bow before Obama and pray nightly to him precludes you from being non-bias (sic). Every story you have is in favor of Barry. Not one thing Barry is accused of and proven, do you agree with. It’s almost as if you are being paid to spew.

You claim to know so much… problem is, none of what you preach to the drones is correct.

No specifics because there are simply so many… Knowing that if Barry were to descend before you and admit he was the foreigner that he is… you would call him a liar too.

YOUR AGENDA PRECLUDES YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO RECOGNIZE OR DISSEMINATE THE TRUTH. It is simply against what you want to believe and that the Conservatives are evil, Liberals are gods. Story after story after story…’those conservatives are wrong’ That is why you are simply another Jim Jones. Your followers are the low information voters formally called MORONS. You may have them fooled but anyone with an education can see you motives.

Don’t you have somewhere else to be where they believe the shit you shovel?

That remark, it appears to me, reflects a political prejudice against liberals in general. There’s also that phrase “low information voters” that could be a code word for something unstated (since black voters overwhelmingly voted for Obama). Of course, at least among the commenters here, I find high information folks (not all voters). Rather than being a site where people are “fed” a line of information, commenters here in the main are contributors and equal participants.

We need not invoke code words, however, to interpret this further comment (turn off irony meters) from “not easily fooled” at ORYR. It is plain unvarnished racism:

Lets look at this from God’s perspective. Well-meaning whites have been trying to lift up their brown brothers from the middle of the 19th century until now, pretending that the average brown man is capable of the same achievement as the average white man.

This has all been BLASTED TO SMITHEREENS – THE EMPEROR TRULY HAS NO CLOTHES! Sorry, facts and events from the past few years have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not our equals, and can only bring us down if we continue to pretend that they are our equals.

Facts: Widespread cheating on academic tests at minority-dominated schools. The "No Child Left Behind Act" sought to identify and punish supposedly underperforming schools and teachers who were holding back black and brown achievement. The only thing that NCLB proved was that the black and brown children were holding back their well-meaning teachers! If their teachers were teaching at white schools they wouldn’t be suspect. The unlucky teachers assigned to minority schools were blamed for black and brown under-achievement. The teachers knew this and engaged in widespread cheating to hide under-achievement!

Now we have the spectacle of whites being unable to bring themselves to admit that the president is a fraud from top to bottom. Revealing his records etc (sic) would show the whole affirmative action enterprise has been a waste of time. It is so bad that whites are asked to look past ignorant efforts at evidence tampering! How stupid do you have to be to think that you can get away with, e.g., whiting out a date, or cutting a date stamp in half, and that it wouldn’t be evident exactly what was done?

None of this is meant to mean that there aren’t black and brown men who are equally as apt as smart white men. There just aren’t as many of them, and it seems that the current system only promotes the relatively unqualified to the top.

In fact, it is the birthers who are the low-information voters, and it only takes a minute reading comments at ORYR to pick out rumors and misinformation masquerading as fact. Here’s a good example of that:

I remember a blog last year having info regarding arrivals in the US from Kenya in the last 6 months of 1961 in that there was only one child that entered the US from Kenya between July and December 1961.

Barrack Obama Sr. had 2 sons born in Kenya (his only sons at the time) prior to Kenyan independence in 1963 and then several more born after 1963. His 2nd son was born in 1961 in Kenya. Barry is his 2nd son. This info was gleaned from the Kenyan Archives in London where Barry’s BC was on public display until 2009 when Hillary had the files sealed on her first trip to London as SoS.

The regulars took that as fact and ran with it, even though most of it is untrue. (The INS report showed one person entering the US from Kenya, but it did not say it was a child, nor that it was in August, thereby precluding Obama and his son from both traveling. No US citizens entered in that period, precluding Obama’s mother. The birth certificate claim is a complete fabrication.)

24 Responses to More racist comments at ORYR

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    roadburner December 26, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    been visiting there a fair bit recently, mainly as theyre so easy to catch out and have fun with.

    roadburner – AKA fred smith

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    bovril December 26, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    One of the many many hilarious memes over at ORYR is that there are a selection of the RWNJ fraternity ( many of whom are probably sock puppets of the same Muppet) who are utterly convinced that all the non birthers are in fact the eponymous Rikker.

    They simply cannot accept that there are a wide selection of Obots who simply enjoy winding up Birfoons.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 26, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    They tend to default to racism, when they find themselves faced with someone who uses facts and cites sources that smack down their lies. It also happens when they realize the current big birther plan has just failed, or is in the process of failing.

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    poutine December 26, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    What can one really say to refute arguments that were actually torn down as long ago as 1871, when slavery (premised on the legislatively codified notion of the racial inferiority of blacks) was formally abolished? Even 1950s pro-segregationists didn’t bother justifying their argument by citing to racial inferiority. Their position was based on “separate but EQUAL,” after all. So really, these people want to fight the same battle that Abraham Lincoln’s opponents were fighting. Do they deserve a stage on which to do so?

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 26, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    “Scientific racism” was the property of the Nazis and their precursors.

    poutine: What can one really say to refute arguments that were actually torn down as long ago as 1871, when slavery (premised on the legislatively codified notion of the racial inferiority of blacks) was formally abolished?

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    TheEuropean December 26, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    bovril:
    One of the many many hilarious memes over at ORYR is that there are a selection of the RWNJ fraternity ( many of whom are probably sock puppets of the same Muppet) who are utterly convinced that all the non birthers are in fact the eponymous Rikker.

    They simply cannot accept that there are a wide selection of Obots who simply enjoy winding up Birfoons.

    But rikker has seen more than any other Obot …..

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    El Diablo Negro December 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    “None of this is meant to mean that there aren’t black and brown men who are equally as apt as smart white men. There just aren’t as many of them, and it seems that the current system only promotes the relatively unqualified to the top”

    Perhaps because there are more whites than blacks in the USA. If the population was equal 50/50 there would be no difference.

    In my field (Information Technology), you cannot fake it to the top, there is too much technical knowledge and you will be outed, especially as engineers and analysts.

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    poutine December 26, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Asian-Americans are statistically “superior” to white Americans according to the same factors these same racists tout. They have lower crime rates than whites, higher education and income levels than whites, and their young students score better than whites on standardized tests. But 75 percent of them voted for Obama this year. Wake up and smell the coffee, Republicans.

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    Thomas Brown December 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    “It’s almost like they were taking some hallucinogenic drug that made them see things that aren’t there.”

    They are. The drug is called FOX NEWS.

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    BillTheCat December 26, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    ORYR posters are the literal definition of “low information voters”. I’m surprised they can type using just their knuckles.

    My irony meter broke reading that screed about liberals/Obots having an agenda that doesn’t allow for truth – OH SWEET IRONY. :) That site is definitely the biggest cesspool of birther dregs. Creme de la creme they are.

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    Majority Will December 26, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    Thomas Brown:
    “It’s almost like they were taking some hallucinogenic drug that made them see things that aren’t there.”

    They are. The drug is called FOX NEWS.

    It’s good for what Ailes you.

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    Thomas Brown December 26, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    Majority Will: It’s good for what Ailes you.

    My hat is off, Sir. That’s quite a wit you have there.

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    Majority Will December 26, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

    Thomas Brown: My hat is off, Sir.That’s quite a wit you have there.

    8-) Thanks.

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    Yoda December 26, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    I have them foaming at the mouth today.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 26, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    I figured that was their natural state. ;)

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    richCares December 27, 2012 at 1:04 am #

    Just received this weeks TIME Magazine, Obama on the cover as Man of the Year, that plus Obama’s high approval ratings must drive birthers crazy.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 27, 2012 at 1:58 am #

    richCares: Just received this weeks TIME Magazine, Obama on the cover as Man of the Year, that plus Obama’s high approval ratings must drive birthers crazy.

    If their tears were any more delicious, the government would have to start taxing them like alcohol.

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    Dave December 27, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    There are some odd things about that site that go beyond the fact that they’re birthers.

    First, there’s the way every story is about how desperate Obama is, how panicked he is. Somehow they need to believe that after four years of not the slightest risk of any birther case going anywhere, Obama lives in fear of the birthers.

    Second, as Dr. C notes here, they have serious issues with being disagreed with. I’ll grant they have a trolling problem (I’m looking at you, rikker) and they deal with it as poorly as can be imagined. But, as I have found, even low-volume posting of polite disagreement leads to getting your comments blocked.

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    JPotter December 27, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    poutine: Their position was based on “separate but EQUAL,”

    The name of that concept was a reference to separate but equal accommodations, and not at all a statement of any belief in racial equality. Don’t do segregationists any undeserved favors. The entire idea was a massive exercise in denial over the results of civil war and reconstruction.

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    Keith December 27, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    JPotter: The name of that concept was a reference to separate but equal accommodations, and not at all a statement of any belief in racial equality. Don’t do segregationists any undeserved favors. The entire idea was a massive exercise in denial over the results of civil war and reconstruction.

    And separate but equal accommodations didn’t even mean of equal usability. If, for example, both whites and blacks had a drinking fountain, but only the whites fountain actually delivered any water, that was not a problem in their eyes. At least there were two fountains even if one didn’t actually fountain.

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    Reality Check December 28, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    A commenter at ORYR claimed Doc had closed comments on this article. I guess he be wrong. :lol:

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    Dave December 28, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    Never fails. They know they’ve blocked dissenting comments at their site, so they have to accuse this site of doing the same.

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    Dave December 28, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    Sure enough. I just posted a comment over there pointing out that this thread is still open — and my comment was immediately deleted.

    Pathetic. There are birthers, and then there are birthers, but ORYR is just patheitc.

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    roadburner December 28, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    same here.

    guess they dont like getting their asses handed to them.

    maybe they should be reminded what the quote they use from lovejoy means, or stop being hypocritical and remove it.

    then again, its normal for birfoon sites – when it gets too hot and the posts disprove them, start with the censorship.

    thumbs up (actually, ORYR is probably pissed at the thumbs up the non-birthers have been getting :D )to doc for letting dissenting views on here, no matter how irrational they are.