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The Annotated Zullo

Respected birther antagonist Frank Arduini has published a critique of Mike Zullo’s second expanded affidavit. One of the cornerstones of birther alternate history is that the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse (MCCCP1) conducted a professional law enforcement investigation of Barack Obama’s government records. Mr. Arduini begs to differ. Birthers who read this document will gain insight into why the Cold Case Posse hasn’t made any splash in the media except for the occasional phrase, “long debunked.”

The Annotated Zullo


1Anti-birthers have often associated the initials CCCP (the abbreviation for the Soviet Union in Russian characters) with the Cold Case Posse. Maricopa County Cold Case Posse (MCCCP) is one solution. Another is “Corsi’s Cold Case Posse,” something that is justified by the revelations in Arduini’s paper. Personally, I an satisfied to call them the CCP, which in Russian is the abbreviation for “Soviet Socialist Republic.” Such labeling may be a petty pursuit, but it provides a bit of fun in the grim business of refuting birthers.

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44 Responses to The Annotated Zullo

  1. avatar
    richCares December 23, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    Ringling Bros turned down Zullo’s request to attend their clown school, they said it would be redundant!

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 23, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    *Biff!*
    *Pow!*
    *Debunked!*

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    LW December 23, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    The one thing that never seems to pop out in the narrative is just what Governor Abercrombie’s goal was. Of course, a significant part of the reason for that is that birthers willfully twisted it beyond recognition.

    What he was trying to do was find something besides the birth certificate that would demonstrate that Obama was born in Hawaii. He was not pursuing the BC itself, because:

    A) it had already been released and verified; and,

    B) any further pursuit in this direction would run smack into privacy laws.

    These two things would seem to any rational person to be self-evident, but, hey: birthers.

    So, he was looking for something that was public information (again, meaning “not the BC itself”) that could be highlighted.

    I think most of us on the “not birther” side were more alarmed than anything at his naïvety at jumping in on this, but you couldn’t deny his heart was in the right place.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 23, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    I’m Dr. Conspiracy and I approve of this message.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 23, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    What struck me is how very little in the way of information or argument there was in the Zullo affidavit. To borrow a phrase from Martin Luther: “It was a right strawy epistle.”

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    My interpretation of the Abercrombie episode varies a bit from Frank’s. As I see it, the Abercrombie initiative was to find some document of Obama’s birth in the state archives that could legally be released. I do not believe that the records of the Department of Health were considered part of the state archives, that they were searched, nor would anyone have thought that such records could be released. Some other item was found in the archives referencing Obama’s birth, but it was determined that it could not legally be released either. The impression that I got was that the State AG informed Abercrombie that any personal record that they would find would be protected, and with that Abercrombie gave up.

    LW: The one thing that never seems to pop out in the narrative is just what Governor Abercrombie’s goal was. Of course, a significant part of the reason for that is that birthers willfully twisted it beyond recognition.

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    Judge Mental December 23, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    LW: The one thing that never seems to pop out in the narrative is just what Governor Abercrombie’s goal was. Of course, a significant part of the reason for that is that birthers willfully twisted it beyond recognition.What he was trying to do was find something besides the birth certificate that would demonstrate that Obama was born in Hawaii. He was not pursuing the BC itself, because:A) it had already been released and verified; and,B) any further pursuit in this direction would run smack into privacy laws.These two things would seem to any rational person to be self-evident, but, hey: birthers.So, he was looking for something that was public information (again, meaning “not the BC itself”) that could be highlighted. I think most of us on the “not birther” side were more alarmed than anything at his naïvety at jumping in on this, but you couldn’t deny his heart was in the right place.

    Unless you are talking about the short form COLB issued in 2007 and published in 2008, as opposed to the long form, I think your memory may be playing tricks on you.

    At the time at which Abercrombie was, in my opinion well meaningly but naively and clumsily, trying to help by talking about a hunt for something that could be released (January 2011) the special request by Obama for issue of a certified copy long form birth certificate had in fact not yet been made by him, let alone had the certificate yet been issued, published or verified.

    Issue of the certified copy and posting of an image of it on the WH web site didn’t take place til April 2011 a good 3 months after the Abercrombie interjection in question.

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    Judge Mental December 23, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    I have no idea why at first that last post came up as the author being “undefined” but the post came from me and I made no change to the exact same manner in which I have made every other post I’ve ever made, including this one. ??????

    Edit….and now, some time between ending my first post and making this one the author has been retitled again from “undefined” back to “Judge Mental”. Very strange. Anyway, no probs it’s showing correctly now.

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    charo December 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    http://www.democratsabroad.org/article/2012/09/15/dnc-talking-points-14-september-2012

    President Obama Hits the Campaign Trail in Colorado and Nevada and Speaks About His Vision to Restore the American Dream

    President Obama said: “”Let’s face it, a mixed kid from Hawaii BORN TO A SINGLE MOM (emphasis added) is not likely to become President of the United States. But in America it can happen because of education, because somebody gave me opportunity.

    *****
    His own mother, she (Michelle Obama) said at the beginning of her remarks, was “very young and VERY SINGLE (emphasis added) when she had him.” And, Obama added, he has observed his wife’s attempts to reconcile motherhood with her career aspirations.

    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2008/07/10/4431794-michelle-obama-talks-fatherhood?lite

    But Neil Abercrombie saw the happy couple together at social events after the birth? Surely the First Lady and the President are mistaken about the circumstances of the birth. If you read this my friend American M., don’t you think it is time to give up your scenario about Obama Sr helping with the birth certificate?

    I would take anything Neil Abercrombie has said on the matter with a very large grain of salt.

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    Keith December 23, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    Wow. Just Wow. A masterpiece from Mr. Arduini.

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    Keith December 23, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    What struck me is how very little in the way of information or argument there was in the Zullo affidavit. To borrow a phrase from Martin Luther: “It was a right strawy epistle.”

    As Arduini pointed out, an affidavit is not the place for argument.

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    Judge Mental December 23, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    charo: http://www.democratsabroad.org/article/2012/09/15/dnc-talking-points-14-september-2012President Obama Hits the Campaign Trail in Colorado and Nevada and Speaks About His Vision to Restore the American DreamPresident Obama said: “”Let’s face it, a mixed kid from Hawaii BORN TO A SINGLE MOM (emphasis added) is not likely to become President of the United States. But in America it can happen because of education, because somebody gave me opportunity. *****His own mother, she (Michelle Obama) said at the beginning of her remarks, was “very young and VERY SINGLE (emphasis added) when she had him.” And, Obama added, he has observed his wife’s attempts to reconcile motherhood with her career aspirations.http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2008/07/10/4431794-michelle-obama-talks-fatherhood?liteBut Neil Abercrombie saw the happy couple together at social events after the birth? Surely the First Lady and the President are mistaken about the circumstances of the birth. If you read this my friend American M., don’t you think it is time to give up your scenario about Obama Sr helping with the birth certificate? I would take anything Neil Abercrombie has said on the matter with a very large grain of salt.

    I don’t think that any normal person has a problem reconciling that.

    It is known that his mother was not ‘single’ in any legal sense at the time of his birth from his father’s INS records. On the other hand it is obvious that his father was efectively what ordinary folks might call a waste of space as a husband and almost certainly already philandering with other women while his mother was pregnant let alone after she gave birth and that he left USA not that long afterwards, playing no substantial part in being a ‘parent’ to Obama (except for of course inculcating the one year old child with his ‘anti-colonial’ outlook lol.

    Therefore to all intents and purposes she was indeed effectively a single mom. It is a short step from being remembered as such within the family to accidentally referring to her as such 50 years later.

    It is also not at all beyond the bounds of normal rational people’s imagination to visualise the “couple” appearing to others (whether by deliberating putting on the appearance or by it being briefly the true reality) as a ‘happy couple’ in the period immediately after the birth. It certainly didn’t last long. So while I understand the degree of caution about Abercrombie’s descriptions I wouldn’t go throwing them out the window altogether.

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    American Mzungu December 23, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    charo: If you read this my friend American M., don’t you think it is time to give up your scenario about Obama Sr helping with the birth certificate?
    I would take anything Neil Abercrombie has said on the matter with a very large grain of salt.

    I agree with you that pronouncements by Neil Abercrombie about what happened 50 years ago should be taken with a grain of sand. My own recollections about what happened 50 years ago is a bit hazy, and I’d bet that some of the stories about my college buddies have been embellished in my own mind. I can’t even remember what I wrote about Obama Sr. helping with the birth certificate whenever we had that dialogue (last year?).

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    LW December 23, 2012 at 4:58 pm #

    Judge Mental: Unless you are talking about the short form COLB issued in 2007 and published in 2008, as opposed to the long form, I think your memory may be playing tricks on you.

    Yes, I was taking about the period when the COLB had been issued but the LFBC had not — but, Fukino had already said she had indeed seen the original document.

    Thus, although some people made the assumption that Abercrombie was going to do something about releasing the LFBC, that was never his intention, stated or otherwise, for the two reasons I gave.

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    gorefan December 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    LW: some people made the assumption that Abercrombie was going to do something about releasing the LFBC

    “Pressed on whether he might unilaterally release a copy of Obama’s actual birth certificate, Abercrombie made clear that he is waiting for his cabinet officials to give him a report on what he can legally do before proceeding.”

    “Obviously, I’m going to do what is legally possible,” the governor said.”

    http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/27/governor-vows-to-end-birther-controversy/

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    LW December 23, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    gorefan: “Obviously, I’m going to do what is legally possible,” the governor said.”

    And yet: birthers.

  17. avatar
    Fwank Wank December 23, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    Fwank needs to confine his activities to what his training has provided him, else he proves his extremely limited analytical skills.
    Fwank… UGH! says missing periods in text is a gross grammatical error… yuk, yuk, yuk.

    Fwank is un-informed as to how the absence of periods in text came about. The absence of periods in certain text saves ‘billions over years… according to a PHD who made the study to eliminate periods for published documents.
    Furthermore, Fwank needs to stick to engineering to protect himself from being called a loose cannon in the game of politics.
    Fwank wants to appear as a super intellectual… when if fact he is a dunce in the political arena, and needs to retreat to the room corner, and sit on the provided stool for dunces, and of course he needs to wear his earned dunce cap, wouldn’t ya know?
    Fwank, can’t understand that collaboration between team members and non team members occur in every field of endeavor where individuals with common interest combine their information for the purpose of including questions of concern to the audiences that they serve.
    Fwank calls himself a “super engineer” hmmmm, well Fwank… you need to hide your head in shame because your analytical skills are biased, prejudiced, and totally without any indications of using simple common sense to sensibly analyze documents.

    ‘Gwate’ job Fwank… you proved your inability to factually analyze anything which brings one to believe maybe your engineering skills as you see them are not up to par and… are wanting.

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    LW December 23, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    Fwank Wank: Fwank…

    OK, the 12 year olds are now represented. Check that one off the list.

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    scott e. December 23, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    Fwank Wank:
    Fwank needs to confine his activities to what his training has provided him, else he proves his extremely limited analytical skills.
    Fwank… UGH!says missing periods in text is a gross grammatical error… yuk, yuk, yuk.

    Fwank is un-informed as to how the absence of periods in text came about.The absence of periods in certain text saves ‘billions overyears… according to a PHD who made the study to eliminate periods for published documents.
    Furthermore, Fwank needs to stick to engineering to protect himself from being called a loose cannon in the game of politics.Fwank wants to appear as a super intellectual… when if fact he is a dunce in the political arena, and needs to retreat to the room corner, and sit on the provided stool for dunces, and of course he needs to wear his earned dunce cap, wouldn’t ya know?
    Fwank, can’t understand that collaboration between team members and non team members occur in every field of endeavor where individuals with common interest combine their information for the purpose of including questions of concern to the audiences that they serve.
    Fwank calls himself a “super engineer”hmmmm, well Fwank… you need to hide your head in shame because your analytical skills are biased, prejudiced, and totally without any indications of using simple common sense to sensibly analyze documents.

    ‘Gwate’ job Fwank… you proved your inability to factually analyze anything which brings one to believe maybe your engineering skills as you see them are not up to par and… are wanting.

    i thought i was the only one who saw it. my girlfriend missed her period once, different story though, but her father was a goatherder/senior governmental economist, ph.d. candidate too. small world.

  20. avatar
    Judge Mental December 23, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    Fwank…..

    A truly pathetic contribution on every level.

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    CarlOrcas December 23, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    What struck me is how very little in the way of information or argument there was in the Zullo affidavit. To borrow a phrase from Martin Luther: “It was a right strawy epistle.”

    Or as Gertrude Stein kinda said in describing Oakland….”There is no there there.”

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    john December 23, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    Nice right up but absolutely no validity except maybe in obot land. Frank is not any person any authority. Mike Zullo is a person of authority who is preview to a 6 month investigation and events that Frank DOES NOT have. Nice right up but Zullo’s affidavitt should be given consideration in any court having come the entity of lawful authority.

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    john December 23, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    “Pressed on whether he might unilaterally release a copy of Obama’s actual birth certificate, Abercrombie made clear that he is waiting for his cabinet officials to give him a report on what he can legally do before proceeding.”

    “Obviously, I’m going to do what is legally possible,” the governor said.”
    —–

    When Governor Abercrombie said he couldn’t find the Birth Certificate, the media really started getting interested. This interested peaked when Abercrombie’s close friend Mike Evan told numerous sources that Abercrombie told him that there was NO BC. Mike Evan then changed his story (Which he was probably coerced) and then the Hawaii AG ran INTERFERENCE for Abercrombie stating he couldn’t release anything. This effectively killed the media interest in this story.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 23, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    Only he never said that. As you said, Evans changed his story, so we can’t get anything from what he allegedly heard.

    john: When Governor Abercrombie said he couldn’t find the Birth Certificate

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    CarlOrcas December 23, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    john:
    Nice right up but absolutely no validity except maybe in obot land.Frank is not any person any authority.Mike Zullo is a person of authority who is preview to a 6 month investigation and events that Frank DOES NOT have.Nice right up but Zullo’s affidavitt should be given consideration in any court having come the entity of lawful authority.

    John,

    What “authority” does Zullo have?

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    BatGuano December 23, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    john:
    Frank is not any person any authority.Mike Zullo is a person of authority….

    so which point of frank’s do you believe is incorrect?

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    realist December 23, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    john:
    Nice right up but absolutely no validity except maybe in obot land.Frank is not any person any authority.Mike Zullo is a person of authority who is preview to a 6 month investigation and events that Frank DOES NOT have.Nice right up but Zullo’s affidavitt should be given consideration in any court having come the entity of lawful authority.

    Exactly what parts of the so-called affidavit can Zullo testify he has “personal knowledge” of, John? It’s almost every bit hearsay.

    And he has no authority outside of Maricopa County and damn little there.

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    BatGuano December 23, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    Keith:
    Wow. Just Wow. A masterpiece from Mr. Arduini.

    agreed. i linked to it a couple times on a forum frank frequents thinking it would stir the regular birthers but…….. absolute silence.

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    LW December 23, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    john:
    Nice right up

    “write up” — have some degree of pride in what you right, er, write.

    Mike Zullo is a person of authority who is preview to a 6 month investigation and events that Frank DOES NOT have.

    OK, I figured it out: you meant “privy.” You got several of the consonants right, so there’s that.

    If Mike Zullo is a “person of authority,” then he should turn this over to someone for prosecution. We’re all rooting for him to do this; why aren’t you?

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 23, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

    The issue is not that the periods are missing, but that they are missing in some parts of the text, and not missing in others. Frank takes this (and this is born out by examining sources) that some of the text is not by Mike Zullo, but by Jerome Corsi.

    A major point that Frank makes is that although Zullo claims that the entire affidavit is from his personal knowledge, very little of it actually is (see summary chart at end of Franks paper). This means that most of the document is hearsay, and as such inadmissible in court. If birthers ever got a day in court, they would learn that they have no evidence.

    Fwank Wank: Fwank is un-informed as to how the absence of periods in text came about. The absence of periods in certain text saves ‘billions over years… according to a PHD who made the study to eliminate periods for published documents.

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    Rickey December 23, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    charo:
    http://www.democratsabroad.org/article/2012/09/15/dnc-talking-points-14-september-2012

    President Obama Hits the Campaign Trail in Colorado and Nevada and Speaks About His Vision to Restore the American Dream

    President Obama said: “”Let’s face it, a mixed kid from Hawaii BORN TO A SINGLE MOM (emphasis added) is not likely to become President of the United States. But in America it can happen because of education, because somebody gave me opportunity.

    *****
    His own mother, she (Michelle Obama) said at the beginning of her remarks, was “very young and VERY SINGLE (emphasis added) when she had him.” And, Obama added, he has observed his wife’s attempts to reconcile motherhood with her career aspirations.

    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2008/07/10/4431794-michelle-obama-talks-fatherhood?lite

    But Neil Abercrombie saw the happy couple together at social events after the birth?Surely the First Lady and the President are mistaken about the circumstances of the birth.

    I’ll give you this – you certainly have the ability to make something out of nothing.

    Abercrombie never referred to Obama’s parents as a “happy couple.” He merely said that they brought baby Obama to some social events. It is quite feasible that they attended some social events between the birth and the date that Stanley Ann left for Seattle.

    What we do know for certain is that Barack Obama Sr. had virtually nothing to do with raising his son, so for all intents and purposes Stanley Ann was a single mom until she married Lolo Soetoro.

    It’s time to give it a rest, Charo. Obama has been re-elected and he will be in office until 2017, so my advice is to get used to it.

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    Epectitus December 23, 2012 at 10:57 pm #

    In case anyone has any doubts “Fwank” is Scott Erlandson. He has been having an absolute meltdown over “The Annotated Zullo” for several days now on his own blog and at least one public forum. For those who don’t remember Scott, he’s also the guy who set up a debate with me on RC Radio, advertised it on his own website and blog for several weeks… and then turned tail and ran.

    I make him very unhappy it seems.

  33. avatar
    JD Reed December 23, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    john(Quote) “Mike Zullo is a person of authority … Zullo’s affidavitt should be given consideration in any court having … lawful authority.” ( I edited out three words to make your sentence make sense.)
    John, a challenge: Which do your believe?
    1) Mr. Obama “hid his Harvard Law Review articles (and) his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago …” (quoting Zullo)
    2) Mr. Obama wrote not a single scholarly article at either Harvard or the University of Chicago.
    Some of the President’s severest critics have pounced on the second, claiming it proves the man is lacking in intellectual candlepower.
    From a logical viewpoint, the first (which Mr. Zullo flogs) is ludicrous. I know that the Harvard Law Review, when Mr. Obama attended, had several thousand subscribers, including law school libraries, county law libraries, and public and private law offices.
    Any issue of the HLR would be widely available to this day; to hide it 20 years later would be harder than sneaking dawn past a barnyard of young, healthy roosters.
    I know less about the University of Chicago Law School, but the same principle would apply.
    Now of course, the fact is that the allegation by Mr. Zullo about President Obama’s first executive order is a blatant lie that has been debunked, re-debunked, and re-re-debunked.
    Miguel de Cervantes wrote: “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”
    In like manner I say, the proof of a document is in the reading.
    You can read President Obama’s executive orders by googling “Obama” executive orders”; it’s that simple.
    When you do, John, please point out precisely the language that seals Mr. Obama’s personal records.
    Then compare his first executive order to Ronald Reagan’s last. They’re identical in content, and more than 95 percent identical in language. What records was President Reagan trying to hide?
    So to sum up my dare list, John, prove that Mr. Obama hid his personal records with his first executive order, and tell us how he somehow managed to hide his articles that had been available to the public for 15 to 20 years.
    I eagerly await.

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    AlCum December 24, 2012 at 1:41 am #

    john:
    Nice right up but absolutely no validity except maybe in obot land.Frank is not any person any authority.Mike Zullo is a person of authority who is preview to a 6 month investigation and events that Frank DOES NOT have.Nice right up but Zullo’s affidavitt should be given consideration in any court having come the entity of lawful authority.

    Zullo has been proven wrong, This is not in dispute. What is the matter with you?

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    Judge Mental December 24, 2012 at 6:15 am #

    john: Nice right up but absolutely no validity except maybe in obot land. Frank is not any person any authority. Mike Zullo is a person of authority who is preview to a 6 month investigation and events that Frank DOES NOT have. Nice right up but Zullo’s affidavitt should be given consideration in any court having come the entity of lawful authority.

    Make no mistake John, despite your delusions the reality is that….

    1. Zullo has no more ‘authority’ (nor for that matter ‘credibility) regarding the subjects of Obama’s birth certificate, social security number or selective registration than you or any other common or garden birther. In fact in many cases he has even less authority and credibility than many run of the mill birthers as he has already been caught bang to rights participating in the fabrication and presentation of ‘evidence’.

    2. An “affidavit” from someone who is alive and well and physically capable of appearing in court to testify regarding its content……but won’t….has no more legal value as evidence than a piece of graffiti written on a wall in human excrement spelling out “Obama is a Kenyan born muslim””

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    JD Reed December 24, 2012 at 9:44 am #

    Judge Mental: .2. An “affidavit” from someone who is alive and well and physically capable of appearing in court to testify regarding its content……but won’t….has no more legal value as evidence than a piece of graffiti written on a wall in human excrement spelling out “Obama is a Kenyan born muslim””

    Well, Zullo has very good reason not to testify in court. If the opposite side wishes to impeach a witness, they line up other witnesesses to testify that this witness does not have a good reputation for truth and veracity. Put Zullo on the stand, and the opposite side can put on witnesses that can testify that the executive order sealing personal records is hogwash, and show chapter and verse why. Then for added entertainment, Mr. Zullo could be recalled to the stand to explain why he wrote what he did about the executive order. Of course, such impeachment would include several other assertions in his affidavit. His reputation, such as it is, would emerge shredded in the eyes of all but the most “true believer” birthers.

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    Judge Mental December 24, 2012 at 9:45 am #

    That of course should have read…. “caught bang to rights in the presentation of fabricated evidence”.

    I blame last night’s substantial intake of ‘light refreshments’ at a seasonal party for this morning’s clumisiness.

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    Judge Mental December 24, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    JD Reed: Well, Zullo has very good reason not to testify in court. If the opposite side wishes to impeach a witness, they line up other witnesesses to testify that this witness does not have a good reputation for truth and veracity. Put Zullo on the stand, and the opposite side can put on witnesses that can testify that the executive order sealing personal records is hogwash, and show chapter and verse why. Then for added entertainment, Mr. Zullo could be recalled to the stand to explain why he wrote what he did about the executive order. Of course, such impeachment would include several other assertions in his affidavit. His reputation, such as it is, would emerge shredded in the eyes of all but the most “true believer” birthers.

    Exactly. Couldn’t agree more.

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    Whatever4 December 24, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Fwank Wank:

    Fwank, can’t understand that collaboration between team members and non team members occur in every field of endeavor where individuals with common interest combine their information for the purpose of including questions of concern to the audiences that they serve.

    Collaboration has no place in a sworn affidavit where the writer is asserting his own personal knowledge. It’s not a research paper.

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    Northland10 December 24, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    john:
    Nice right up but absolutely no validity except maybe in obot land.Frank is not any person any authority.Mike Zullo is a person of authority who is preview to a 6 month investigation and events that Frank DOES NOT have.Nice right up but Zullo’s affidavitt should be given consideration in any court having come the entity of lawful authority.

    John, if you think only statements of those with authority count, here is one you might want to include:

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

    Every time you and other birthers claim authority to dispute the Hawaiian Department of Health, may I claim you do not have you have no validity because you and the birthers are not any person of lawful authority?

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    Paper December 24, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Do you count Obotland citizens to include people such as John Woodman? Woodman is someone who would not vote for Obama but who believes and has demonstrated exhaustively that Obama is eligible.

    Of course, we in Obotland do count such people as John Woodman as Obotland citizens. We do not follow the two citizen parent hoax rule regarding natural-born citizens, nor do we require our Obots to have voted for the President. They do not need to have voted for the President in two elections, one election, or any election.

    But, if you don’t count people such as John Woodman, Obotland consists of at least 27 states plus DC. Throughout the whole country, however, there are at least 62,611,250 declared Obot citizens.

    Also, really, when you come down to it in a democratic republic like this one, another name for Obotland is the United States of America.

    Plus, I think, we have to include almost all judges, certainly the judges who have ruled on any of the cases in court, certainly all Supreme Court justices, the whole Congress, including all the Republican Representatives and Senators who have certified and will again certify this President, and well, certainly the Executive branch.

    So yeah, you make a good point; however you cut it, no validity except in Obotland.

    john:
    Nice right up but absolutely no validity except maybe in obot land….

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    Paper December 24, 2012 at 11:50 am #

    That’s what happens when something turns out not to be true.

    john:
    This effectively killed the media interest in this story.

  43. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 24, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    I remember listening to the “no show” show.

    Scott also posted here as Bernadine Ayers (and got banned under that name way back when).

    However, I don’t think Scott is Fwank. Fwank is the same as Objective Doubter.

    Epectitus: For those who don’t remember Scott, he’s also the guy who set up a debate with me on RC Radio, advertised it on his own website and blog for several weeks… and then turned tail and ran.

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    sfjeff December 24, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    Scott has a real Birther-on about Frank though. I am not sure what tweaks Scott about Frank other than perhaps Frank’s unrelenting and rather humorless Birther take downs. So it wouldn’t suprise me if it was Scott though the writing style is not quite the same. Scott also seems very, very protective of Orly…wierdly so.

    Anyway- I have to say I think that I agree with the earlier poster who said that he disagreed with Frank’s interpretation of what Abercrombie was doing. I thought Abercrombie was looking in the archives for records that could verify the birth but were not protected by privacy laws.

    Unfortunately Abercrombie is not particularly concise in his langugage. For anyone other than Birthers this wouldn’t matter but we all know that any nit left unpicked is a sure sign of the Konspiracy to Birthers.

    Merry Christmas to all

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