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Game over

The Obot Mr. Hyde, obot1, wrote that the “Birther movement officially ends” back in June of 2011. After the long-form birth certificate was released, there was not much to say, except for some cranks to call it a forgery, something the State of Hawaii officially refutes.

Today, January 20, 2013, President Obama, previously confirmed by Congress as the President-elect, began his second term in office, answering Judge England’s question, “who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?” for the next 4 years.

There are any number of events that one might point to as the end of any serious doubts about Obama’s eligibility. I would go all the way back to June of 2008 when the Obama Campaign released the President’s birth certificate, and let it be photographed by FactCheck.org. The statements by Dr. Fukino of Hawaii that Obama’s records were in the files, and showed he was born in Hawaii were surely enough. Newspaper announcements, notes in Obama Sr’s immigration file and the long-form birth certificate were just redundancies.

I am not saying that just because the game is over (and has long been over) that the birthers will admit defeat and move on:  That’s not what they do; but the election is over, all of the lawsuits are either lost or moot, and there’s really nothing left for the birthers beyond old news echoing in their own ranks. I think the image of the chicken running around after its head has been cut off is an apt analogy. Eventually the chicken stops moving. Let’s see how long it takes with the birthers.

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99 Responses to Game over

  1. avatar
    Scientist January 20, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    Now on to the real game -the NFL!

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    American Mzungu January 20, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    How long for the birther chicken with head cut off to stop twitching ? (I think the analogy is perfect.) I’m guessing about as long as it took for the enthusiasm for succession from the USA to die down. It didn’t take long for all the calls to die down that Congress should object to the eligibility of Obama. Trump has moved on to other stuff. We’ll probably hear a little more about impeachment from time to time, but it won’t be driven by birtherism. Like a chicken with its head cut off, the twitching doesn’t stop all at once—it just becomes weaker and more irregular until it finally stops.

    However, until it stops moving, please don’t “retire” the blog.

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    Birther Weary January 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

    Sadly, it will never be over. The courts are corrupt, the political institutions are corrupt, the media is corrupt.

    I imagine now we’ll start hearing more from the birthers about Second Amendment solutions. These people just aren’t right in the head.

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    BillTheCat January 20, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    Too bad, so sad for the birthers, Obama has been sworn in and that is that.

    Two term President. Beloved by millions upon millions world wide.

    Schools, federal buildings, bridges, and perhaps an airport, will be named in honor of him in the future.

    The history books will proudly reflect the meaning and legacy of our first African American President for all time.

    There’s a very good chance that his face will appear on US currency some day in the distant future.

    And in the end, he will be remembered fondly as one of our greatest presidents.

    And there is not a single, solitary thing that any of your ilk can do about it. :)

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    john January 20, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

    I’m a birther. Although I still believe much, I must agree that that the effort to get Obama removed is over. Court action at this point is an exercise in futility. Birthers’ Last Stand was having a 1 Senator and 1 Congressman file a WRITTEN OBJECTION with the Joint Session of Congress. I was disappointed but not surprised. I was especially disappointed that birthers didn’t try harder to get to their Senators and Congressman. Arpaio and Mike Zullo should have been pounding on Senator McCain’s and Kyle’s door every day.

  6. avatar
    Joey January 20, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

    The fogbow is reporting that Orly Taitz’s rally and protest at the White House today drew 2 protesters besides Orly.

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    G January 20, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    Good blog post, Doc.

    I agree that the “twitching” of the “headless” will become weaker and more irregular. But that does not mean it will stop completely. Some of these people prefer to endlessly double-down on being wrong and wallow in their bitter hate, no matter what. That’s really their own sad little personal problem, not ours.

    But as I’ve been saying for a long time now, this cycle’s re-election is for Birthers what 2008 was to the PUMAs. Today’s official inauguration (his new 4-year term Constitutionally started at noon today) and tomorrow’s ceremonies (which the bitters take as an “in their face” reminder) are really the final real closing “events” of this long silly saga.

    The craziest of the cranks will keep chirping the same old chirps…but there is less and less reason for even many of their die-hard followers to keep wasting their foolish time on this particular nonsense. No, they will have to find new nonsense to pursue (or actually get back to trying to live a real life).

    But I agree with A.M. – While there is *ANY* “twitching” out there, please don’t “retire” this blog…even if it just means that updates become less frequent.

    My favorite part of this site is really the community anyways, so that can keep going and will keep me coming back here for conversation, regardless. I mean honestly, Birtherism, for all its “activity” has really been a DEAD issue on any meaningful and serious level for several years now…

    American Mzungu: ike a chicken with its head cut off, the twitching doesn’t stop all at once—it just becomes weaker and more irregular until it finally stops.

    However, until it stops moving, please don’t “retire” the blog.

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    justlw January 20, 2013 at 4:40 pm #

    Joey:
    The fogbow is reporting that Orly Taitz’s rally and protest at the White House today drew 2 protesters besides Orly.

    One per “I WIN!”

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    john January 20, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    Has there been any news on Orly’s Protest in DC. It was supposed to be today. did anyone show up. was it recorded?

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    G January 20, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    That is always a concern that I have…

    I am no less concerned about this possibility than I was in the past, as the true crazies just become more crazy and desperate with time…especially when they are constantly losing.

    However, I see any of that as really some “new” meme phase of ODS or simple RWNJ insanity… and not really “Birtherism” anymore, because Birtherism has nowhere to go.

    Then again, it will still be easy for Doc C to cover such concerns and threats here, as this site is aptly named “Obama Conspiracy Theories” and therefore can address anything that inspires ODS and not just the lame childish inanity of Birtherism…

    Birther Weary: I imagine now we’ll start hearing more from the birthers about Second Amendment solutions. These people just aren’t right in the head.

  11. avatar
    Keith January 20, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    Scientist:
    Now on to the real game -the NFL!

    The heck with that!

    Were in the homestretch for March Madness!

  12. avatar
    misha marinsky January 20, 2013 at 6:12 pm #

    A black Muslim Marxist has been re-elected. Да здравствует Ленин!

    Do not underestimate the power of the International Jewish Conspiracy™.

    Eat your hearts out, Denialists.

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    Scientist January 20, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    Keith: The heck with that!Were in the homestretch for March Madness!

    Isn’t the Aussie Open on now>? What about Aussie Rules football?

  14. avatar
    richCares January 20, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    John Roberts just finished swearing Obama in. He’s the one Orly is counting on for Feb conferance, good luck with that.

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    Keith January 20, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    Scientist: Isn’t the Aussie Open on now>?What about Aussie Rules football?

    Mere diversions. Bread and Circuses.

    College Basketball, on the other hand is ordained in the Declaration of Independence (the pursuit of happiness). 8-)

    Bear Down!

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 20, 2013 at 7:59 pm #

    The report I got was that Orly and 2 others showed up.

    john: Has there been any news on Orly’s Protest in DC. It was supposed to be today. did anyone show up. was it recorded?

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    misha marinsky January 20, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The report I got was that Orly and 2 others showed up.

    They’ve been arrested, and are now in a FEMA camp.

  18. avatar
    American Mzungu January 20, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    GAME OVER.

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    Benji Franklin January 20, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    john: Has there been any news on Orly’s Protest in DC. It was supposed to be today. did anyone show up. was it recorded?

    John, Orly’s site shows a few pics of her protest rally in front of the White House today. The extent of the throng in attendance must have really tested the ability of the Capital’s Park Police to estimate the grand total associated with the rally by their usual methods since the pictures seem to show that only two Birthers showed up, those being the ones who were standing with Orly during the two different moments of the day when she was joined by a single protester. Assuming these two attendees were not actually both Charles Lincoln III in ill-garbed disguises, or mere passing blimp-shadow-pursuing enthusiasts lured by the mesmerizing metropolitan shadow casting magic of Orly’s big hair on a DC intermittently overcast day, we can assume that for you and at least two other delusional Obama-hating zealots, this is not going away! No wonder Obama is “running scared!”

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    ASK Esq January 20, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

    “There are any number of events that one might point to as the end of any serious doubts about Obama’s eligibility.”

    Gee, Doc, if you want to point to events that ended any serious doubts about his eligibility, one need look no further than his birth in Honolulu on August 4, 1961. Any doubts after that have hardly been serious.

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    SluggoJD January 20, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    misha marinsky: They’ve been arrested, and are now in a FEMA camp.

    LOL

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    CarlOrcas January 20, 2013 at 11:52 pm #

    misha marinsky: They’ve been arrested, and are now in a FEMA camp.

    Actually the FEMA camps have been mothballed to save money so these small crowds are being put in Red Roof Inns.

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    Dave January 21, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    There’s impeachment. There’s no chance of that, but then, none of the methods birthers have tried ever had any chance.

    There have been a number of problems, but they all suffer from one overarching problem: birthers have not been successful at persuading others that Obama is not eligible.

    Notice, for example, that the House has actively investigated the administration on a number of topics, and used them as political hammers. But not eligibility. And the reason is, they don’t this issue has enough plausibility.

    So what I’m saying is, if you can figure out how to persuade anyone that the President is ineligible, then it isn’t too late — he can be impeached. And if you can’t figure out how to persuade anyone better than you’re doing now, then it has always been too late.

    john:
    I’m a birther. Although I still believe much, I must agree that that the effort to get Obama removed is over. Court action at this point is an exercise in futility.Birthers’ Last Stand was having a 1 Senator and 1 Congressman file a WRITTEN OBJECTION with the Joint Session of Congress. I was disappointed but not surprised.I was especially disappointed that birthers didn’t try harder to get to their Senators and Congressman. Arpaio and Mike Zullo should have been pounding on Senator McCain’s and Kyle’s door every day.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2013 at 12:28 am #

    At some point updates will become less frequent. We certainly have to track Taitz v. Democrat Party of Mississippi to the bitter end.

    G: But I agree with A.M. – While there is *ANY* “twitching” out there, please don’t “retire” this blog…even if it just means that updates become less frequent.

  25. avatar
    misha marinsky January 21, 2013 at 1:02 am #

    misha marinsky: They’ve been arrested, and are now in a FEMA camp.

    You don’t hear from Orly. Coincidence?

  26. avatar
    misha marinsky January 21, 2013 at 1:04 am #

    CarlOrcas: these small crowds are being put in Red Roof Inns.

    Lucky SOBs.

  27. avatar
    GLaB January 21, 2013 at 2:00 am #

    john:
    Has there been any news on Orly’s Protest in DC.It was supposed to be today.did anyone show up.was it recorded?

    pictures: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022225388

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    Thinker January 21, 2013 at 2:18 am #

    Unfortunately, Sandy Hook hoaxer conspiracy theorists have gained some steam over the past week or so. While it hasn’t been driven by birfers, I’ll bet it would be difficult to find a birfer who doesn’t believe that it was all faked as part of a NWO/Obama/Soros/Muslim/Catholic/Communist/Socialist (take your pick) plan to take away people’s guns. I haven’t paid a lot of attention to the tales people are spinning because they are so truly despicable, such an affront to human decency, that I just couldn’t stomach much of it.

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    Lupin January 21, 2013 at 3:18 am #

    May I extend my warm congratulations to all Americans on this proud day. The cacophony of a few mad birthers will not drown out the great achievements of today. Bravo!

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    ZixiOfIx January 21, 2013 at 8:00 am #

    I see birthers moving in a few different directions. Their activities and rhetoric will change, but I don’t expect it to go away.

    1). Taking up various new conspiracies and incorporating them into their fevered birther hopes and dreams. This has already started, and many are now talking about the “conspiracies” surrounding Sandy Hook tragedy with regard to President Obama.

    2). Branching off into “Sovereign Citizen” territory. This has already started as well. I’ve seen several posts on FR and elsewhere parroting SC talking points. This is especially worrisome, as the FBI classifies the SC movement as a domestic threat to law enforcement. http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens

    Read up on the SC movement so that you’ll know SC talking points when you see them: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen

    3. Finally, many birthers for whom their quest has become their raison d’être, will ride this thing into the ground – to the point where there are no more options in court or legislatively. I have no idea what they will do after that, but I pray it is peaceful.

  31. avatar
    ZixiOfIx January 21, 2013 at 8:15 am #

    I would like to add that I would love to see updates on some of the many past key players in the birther movement.

    People like Terry Lakin, James Manning, Charles Lincoln, Ron Pollard… oh, heck. Any of the people on this list at Bad Fiction:

    http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/cast-of-characters.html

  32. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    Walter Fitzpatrick has a birthday this Sunday.

    I took a gander at Patrick’s list. It’s a lot of people, and those are just some of the players. I don’t see Felicito Papa and Henry Blake for instance. Plus there are prolific birther commenters like Kenneth Olsen, James Youngblood, and many others who are activists for the birther cult as commenters.

    ZixiOfIx: I would like to add that I would love to see updates on some of the many past key players in the birther movement.

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    Paper January 21, 2013 at 10:06 am #

    Yes, some of the stuff being shoved at me about Sandy Hook is downright despicable. I saw something very similar with Tucson, but that was almost just a dress rehearsal for the conspiracy wing of my family.

    Birtherism has been merely one relatively straightforward conspiracy, allowing for review and analysis. Much of the rest out there is one big glop of mess. The good news for me personally is I don’t get sucked into that other garbage, as it is too inhuman.

    With birtherism, you can go off on forays into history, law and the workings of our government’s bureaucracy. The birthers throw out endless nonsense, but every time they do they just open the door to actual facts way more instructive and incisive than their purported “diamonds.”

    Birthers can play all kinds of games about just having questions or concerns, and can hide their dysfunction (or worse) in rabbit-holes of endless details and legalities. Birtherism has been one of those rare conspiracies with a high octane mix of emotional and intellectual elements (alienMuslimsocialistusurper/constitutional analysis). Crispy sweet. Perfect junk food. The ultimate Ben and Jerry conspiracy flavor.

    Birtherism was a chance for some to pretend their conspiracy mongering isn’t ugly and stupid and often vile. It was a chance for birther enablers to think they were just engaged in honest enquiry while ignoring their fellow travelers’ hatefulness, and the lack of sustainable vitality in their motivations.

    But what do you do with “Obama fake tears?”

    I get nauseous just typing it.

    ZixiOfIx:
    I see birthers moving in a few different directions. Their activities and rhetoric will change, but I don’t expect it to go away.

    1). Taking up various new conspiracies and incorporating them into their fevered birther hopes and dreams. This has already started, and many are now talking about the “conspiracies” surrounding Sandy Hook tragedy with regard to President Obama.

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    Woodrowfan January 21, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    GLaB: Thank you for that link. Is it just me, or does Orly’s fellow protestor look like that weird Uncle you only see at major family holidays like Christmas. The one who always starts ranting about something he read on the internet, and the one you’re always uncomfortable leaving alone with any of the kids…

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    Scientist January 21, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    ZixiOfIx: Branching off into “Sovereign Citizen” territory.

    A Sov Cit somehow got himself elected onto one of the school boards in my area. He votes on setting the school tax rate, a tax which he refuses to pay, and is in arrears for $100,000 or so. Some of the residents have petitioned the State Education Commissioner, who can remove school board members for cause, so hopefully this farce will end soon.

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    James M January 21, 2013 at 10:38 am #

    Birther Weary:
    Sadly, it will never be over. The courts are corrupt, the political institutions are corrupt, the media is corrupt.

    I imagine now we’ll start hearing more from the birthers about Second Amendment solutions. These people just aren’t right in the head.

    They should already be making a strong example out of the person responsible for the NRA advertisement that suggests that the First Family should have reduced security. If I were responsible for their security, that comment would be getting every bit the same attention as a direct threat the the President. The person who made the comment would not exit the interrogation until I was 100% confident that neither he nor one of his associates yields a credible apprehension of an actual threat to the President or his family. That’s a very long row, since the person who made the comment is clearly on record with a strong anti-government position, is known to be heavily armed, and has a large following of like-minded, even more anti-government and even more heavily armed individuals. I’d have made it much, much less comfortable for the people responsible for that ad, and before anyone plays a First Amendment card, I’m _opening_ with Compelling State Interest in the physical security of the President’s immediate family.

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    James M January 21, 2013 at 10:41 am #

    GLaB: pictures:http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022225388

    Wow! Twos of protestors! There used to be dozen of them!

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    Keith January 21, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    James M: Wow!Twos of protestors!There used to be dozen of them!

    Caption for the photo:

    “I’ve been taking your money for four years, and this is what I’ve accomplished: I’ve made a nice hand written protest sign with so much stuff on it that you can’t read what I’m protesting about. It just won’t let me feeenish.

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    Rickey January 21, 2013 at 11:23 am #

    john:
    Has there been any news on Orly’s Protest in DC.It was supposed to be today.did anyone show up.was it recorded?

    What’s your excuse for not being there?

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    Rickey January 21, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    Benji Franklin: John, Orly’s site shows a few pics of her protest rally in front of the White House today.

    Orly also posted a photo of Tracy Fair, in case anyone is interested in seeing what she looks like. It’s been re-posted on The Fogbow in the “Orly’s Latest Poopies” thread. It’s not known why Tracy didn’t show up for Orly’s protest.

    In fact, I don’t think that it’s fair to give Theresa Cao “credit” for attending. It seems to me that she is always demonstrating outside the White House.

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    MN-Skeptic January 21, 2013 at 11:49 am #

    James M: Wow!Twos of protestors!There used to be dozen of them!

    Actually, “twos of protestors” implies a multiple of two, i.e., four or more protestors. The better phrase for Orly’s gathering would be ones of protestors.

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    Horus January 21, 2013 at 11:50 am #

    john:
    I’m a birther. Although I still believe much, I must agree that that the effort to get Obama removed is over. Court action at this point is an exercise in futility.Birthers’ Last Stand was having a 1 Senator and 1 Congressman file a WRITTEN OBJECTION with the Joint Session of Congress. I was disappointed but not surprised.I was especially disappointed that birthers didn’t try harder to get to their Senators and Congressman. Arpaio and Mike Zullo should have been pounding on Senator McCain’s and Kyle’s door every day.

    That’s gotta tell you that Arpaio does not believe his own claptrap!

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    Crustacean January 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm #

    I agree that the game buzzer is about to go off and the Birthers are out of time outs, with no fouls to give (basketball reference for you, Keith!).

    The lyrics from a song by the rock band “Cake” come to mind:

    “Because he’s racing and pacing and plotting the course,
    He’s fighting and biting and riding on his horse,
    He’s going the distance.
    No trophy, no flowers, no flashbulbs, no wine,
    He’s haunted by something he cannot define.
    Bowel-shaking earthquakes of doubt and remorse,
    Assail him, impale him with monster-truck force.
    In his mind, he’s still driving, still making the grade…

    “The sun has gone down and the moon has come up,
    And long ago somebody left with the cup.”

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    Crustacean January 21, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

    I’ve been observing the latest eruption of Sandy Hook/2nd Amendment conspiracy theories, and I see a parallel with birtherism – at least the strain of birtherism that has grown resistant to even the largest dose of reality.

    A few days ago there were some posts here from Dr. C and commenter Expelliarmus about the condition known as Capgras, of which Dr. C has some personal experience. Expelliarmus’s description of this malady and its bearing on birtherism not only made a ton of sense to me, but it also made me think that, while I may find birther beliefs objectionable, the folks who hold these beliefs are perhaps deserving more of pity than loathing. They see the exact same documents, facts, and made-up stuff that we do, but they are incapable of performing a dispassionate analysis to arrive at a logical conclusion. Like those suffering from Capgras Delusion, they simply can’t make the emotional connection in their brains.

    Example: over at my hellhole-away-from-home FOTM blog (appropriately in “The Bad” column of Dr. C’s list of “Good, bad, and ugly” blogs) head conspiracist Dr. Eowyn claims she is NOT a conspiracist; she’s “just asking questions” that we deserve answers to. But when the question is, “why did (The United Way and other charitable organizations) post their condolence and donation Web pages for Sandy Hook victims four days BEFORE the tragedy,” the first response has to be, “why are you asking THAT unless you think there’s a conspiracy?” Hardly an innocent question, no?

    And then, when a Web developer who works for one of the very organizations whose motives are in question posts exactly how the dates in Web searches and blogs work and personally assures that these pages were most definitely posted after the tragedy, it seems to fall on deaf ears; Dr. E nonetheless continues to “ask these important questions” – even though they had just been answered in exhauting detail. And think about it: here we’re not dealing with questions about someone possibly forging a PDF, but multiple charitable organizations conspiring with the government to murder little children. When they say they believe the Obama administration is “capable of anything,” take them at their word!

    Now, Dr. Eowyn does in fact hold a PhD, so I give her credit for being way smarter than me (any university giving me a PhD would probably be in for a good tongue lashing for their substandard standards). But here are facts presented to her, plain as day, yet she refuses to see the truth that even my pedestrian brain can see.

    So the engine that keeps the conspiracists chugging along is obviously not fueled by intelligence, but rather emotions so strong they trump logic. I think ZixiOflx hit the nail on the head when he or she said, “Their (birthers’) activities and rhetoric will change, but I don’t expect it to go away.”

    Why would it? Not without some serious professional medical attention, at least. To quote Paul Simon, “I don’t find this stuff amusing any more…”

    Paper: Yes, some of the stuff being shoved at me about Sandy Hook is downright despicable

    Paper: Birthers can play all kinds of games about just having questions or concerns, and can hide their dysfunction (or worse) in rabbit-holes of endless details and legalities

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    Arthur January 21, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

    john: I’m a birther. Although I still believe much, I must agree that that the effort to get Obama removed is over.

    john, it’s time to let go of this birther obsession. There’s no disgrace in being a member of the loyal opposition, but clinging to debunked b.s. about Obama simply because you don’t like him is childish and irrational. Walk away from birtherism before your entire world view is contaminated by its paranoia, nihilism, and lies.

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    Paper January 21, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    For me, birtherism is just one more conspiracy among many embraced by my family. I grew up with conspiracies. I don’t think about birthers changing or evolving; I think of birtherism as an evolution of an ongoing spectrum of conspiracies.

    Birtherism is just one of the more “successful” conspiracies, a pop hit so to speak. It has multiple aspects and elements that can appeal to different groups, just like a hit song. Don’t cotton to silly forgeries? Feel like the long form birth certificate is real? Well, we’ve also got NBC concerns. Get your geek flag pin over here while ruminating about claims that you need two citizen parents to be president. Or if you want to just call him names, go for it. We are carnival!

    And now, game over, they just pick up new songs, looking for the next hit wonder. So, no, it isn’t going away, but it also was already there.

    Crustacean:
    So the engine that keeps the conspiracists chugging along is obviously not fueled by intelligence, but rather emotions so strong they trump logic.I think ZixiOflx hit the nail on the head when he or she said, “Their (birthers’) activities and rhetoric will change, but I don’t expect it to go away.”

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    Birther Weary January 21, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    richCares:
    John Roberts just finished swearing Obama in. He’s the one Orly is counting on for Feb conferance, good luck with that.

    This is all part of Orly’s big plan to get Obama to drop his guard so on Feb. 15 it will be Game, Set, and Match for Orly.

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    jayHG January 21, 2013 at 3:31 pm #

    john:
    Has there been any news on Orly’s Protest in DC.It was supposed to be today.did anyone show up.was it recorded?

    Is there any reason you’re not over at free republic asking these asinine questions?

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    Keith January 21, 2013 at 4:40 pm #

    Crustacean: I agree that the game buzzer is about to go off and the Birthers are out of time outs, with no fouls to give (basketball reference for you, Keith!).

    And as always, one team is screaming that they got jobbed by the refs.

    Bear Down Cats!

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    AC180 January 21, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/01/rapper-thrown-offstage-for-anti-obama-rant.html

    About 10 comments from the bottom, nice picture of your portrait in the White House. Dang Doc, You’ve really been getting famous lately ;)

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    RoadScholar January 21, 2013 at 5:33 pm #

    MN-Skeptic: Actually, “twos of protestors” implies a multiple of two, i.e., four or more protestors. The better phrase for Orly’s gathering would be ones of protestors.

    She could always count in binary.

    I can see it now: “There were 1101 people, at my protest!”

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    Crustacean January 21, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    Keith: Bear Down Cats!

    Wildcats alum Tom Tolbert has an afternoon sports radio show that I often enjoy on my drive home. He’s astute and funny as hell, two of my favorite qualities.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    Thanks, AC. The wife and I got a huge laugh out of that. Here’s a direct link:

    http://i49.tinypic.com/2nbrfw8.jpg

    AC180: About 10 comments from the bottom, nice picture of your portrait in the White House. Dang Doc, You’ve really been getting famous lately ;)

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    Shame on Liberals Shame January 21, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

    Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president. Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    There are concerned citizens that believe the BC is a fraud. Even if it is not and Barry said so, then he is not legal to be president because it list a foreign father.

    So, the Birthers (liberals who believe Barry came from heaven) face a two-edge sword, either they are wrong or they are wrong.

    Can Dr. Ignorance explain this?

  55. avatar
    justlw January 21, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

    I don’t think anyone can explain this.

  56. avatar
    Woodrowfan January 21, 2013 at 8:02 pm #

    “Can Dr. Ignorance explain this?”

    You’re off your meds again?

  57. avatar
    Dave B. January 21, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    No, it’s dang near perfect just like it is.

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    Arthur January 21, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: So, the Birthers (liberals who believe Barry came from heaven) face a two-edge sword, either they are wrong or they are wrong.

    Let me guess: you teach logic at Glen Beck University.

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    American Mzungu January 21, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president. Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    I feel relieved now that we’ve gotten that fact behind us. :).

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater January 21, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:
    Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president.Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    There are concerned citizens that believe the BC is a fraud.Even if it is not and Barry said so, then he is not legal to be president because it list a foreign father.

    So, the Birthers (liberals who believe Barry came from heaven) face a two-edge sword, either they are wrong or they are wrong.

    Can Dr. Ignorance explain this?

    “Concerned” my ass. Birthers are people who can’t believe we have a black president and no amount of evidence will change their mind. There is nothing in the constitution about needing citizen parents.

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    Keith January 21, 2013 at 9:04 pm #

    Crustacean: Wildcats alum Tom Tolbert has an afternoon sports radio show that I often enjoy on my drive home.He’s astute and funny as hell, two of my favorite qualities.

    Yeah, I was aware of that, but I haven’t ever heard him. What station is he on and do they netcast?

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    Keith January 21, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president. Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    Double negative much, Mr. Poe?

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    Daniel January 21, 2013 at 9:54 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:
    Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president.Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    Before we get anything out of the way, may I offer you a dictionary, so you can look up the word “fact”? Based on your usage, one can only conclude you don’t have a good grasp of what the word means.

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    DP January 21, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:
    Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president.Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    There are concerned citizens that believe the BC is a fraud.Even if it is not and Barry said so, then he is not legal to be president because it list a foreign father.

    So, the Birthers (liberals who believe Barry came from heaven) face a two-edge sword, either they are wrong or they are wrong.

    Can Dr. Ignorance explain this?

    So what exactly are you saying? The liberals you so awkwardly denounce always considered the birth issue a silly red herring. They didn’t push it and thought it was self-evidently stupid. But now they are “the birthers?” Even after some of your fellow conservative mouth breathers proudly called themselves “birthers” and lifted high the banner.

    Are you just being flippant, or are even you, too, embarrassed by the folly of the real birthers?

    There is no factual evidence of the type required by a court that indicates the birth certificate is a fraud. There is no court that has substantiated your personal opinion on the parentage required to be a natural born citizen. There, are, however, recent court judgments that say you are wrong.

    So the liberals, who were never “birthers,” face no sword at all. Dr. Conspiracy need prove nothing to people like you, who willfully cling to their ignorance.

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    donna January 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:

    for many on the right, “fact” is a 4-letter curse word beginning with “F”

  66. avatar
    Suranis January 21, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

    I’ve never heard of this Barry Saetoro guy. He planning on running in 4 years time?

    Shame on Liberals Shame: Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president. Let’s get that fact out of the way.

  67. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 21, 2013 at 11:25 pm #

    I can explain it to a certain extent. Certainly trying to explain your peculiar delusion is something I have tried to accomplish for the past 4 years: why you reject all well-sourced evidence and rely on the original research of non-experts on matters such as claims that the birth certificate is a forgery, when credentialed experts contradict, and why you would think a foreign father disqualifies a President when 7 different courts have said otherwise.

    It is a fact that people who know little overestimate their competence, and so birthers are convinced of their own reasoning skills because they have little (the Dunning-Kruger effect), and they the succumb to confirmation bias. Further birthers hang out on web sites that censor facts and opposing views, leading to a false sense of consensus, the lack of confrontation with the larger world that thinks such views crazy (to use the words of Senator Graham, no “liberal” he). Your concerned citizens are barking mad, and that is the only fact here.

    Obama was born in Hawaii, and people born citizens in the US are natural born citizens. This is quite simple, and the vast majority of people have no problem understanding this.

    Hofstadter has an excellent paper: The Paranoid Style in American Politics. It’s useful in explaining the birthers and the other like-styled cranks, although he was writing long before the birthers.

    Shame on Liberals Shame: Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro (sic) is illegal to be president. Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    There are concerned citizens that believe the BC is a fraud. Even if it is not and Barry said so, then he is not legal to be president because it list a foreign father.

    So, the Birthers (liberals who believe Barry came from heaven) face a two-edge sword, either they are wrong or they are wrong.

    Can Dr. Ignorance explain this?

  68. avatar
    aesthetocyst January 22, 2013 at 1:31 am #

    American Mzungu: I feel relieved now that we’ve gotten that fact behind us. .

    No kidding! I guess Mr. Shame decided to give up and ‘flip the script’! LOL!

    De birfers now consist of Liberals who believe Barry (Gordon? … Sanders? … Goldwater?) came from heaven???

    Barry Gordon would just be obscure.

    If it’s Barry Sanders, you have me pegged. Sanders was obviously the Second Coming, a shot-for-shot replay of the First Coming, translated into a late-20th Century American context … and with a more interesting surrogate dad.

    Liberals seeing the divine in Barry Goldwater. Wow. Admirable, yes, but divine …. well, in comparison to today’s wingers, I’ll take it.

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    Dave January 22, 2013 at 9:40 am #

    Just when you think it’s over, birther pull their next move: a rehash!

    Yes, Apuzzo has a post saying it all over again. I confess I began to skim after two paragraphs, but I’m pretty sure there’s nothing here we haven’t heard a hundred times before.

    However, this rehash is important enough to rate a post at ORYR, where the commenters get into the spirit by posting comments we’ve also heard before.

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    Arthur January 22, 2013 at 9:58 am #

    Dave: However, this rehash is important enough to rate a post at ORYR, where the commenters get into the spirit by posting comments we’ve also heard before.

    The comment that really made me smile argued that Marco Rubio is a natural born citizen, not because he was born in the U.S., but because his parents (who were born in Cuba) were actually natural born citizens of the U.S. because of the Platt Amendment.

    “The Platt Amendment outlined the role of the U.S. in Cuba and the Caribbean. It restricted Cuba in the conduct of foreign policy and commercial relations. It established that Cuba’s boundaries would not include the Isle of Pines (Isla de la Juventud) until its title could be established in a future treaty. The amendment also demanded that Cuba sell or lease lands to the United States necessary for coaling or the development of naval stations. After U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt withdrew federal troops from the island in 1902, Cuba signed the Cuban-American Treaty (1903), perpetually leasing away the land rights to Guantánamo Bay.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platt_Amendment#Conditions_of_the_Amendment

  71. avatar
    Dave January 22, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    A long while back, maybe years, Dr. Kate put up a lengthy post about the Platt Amendment argument that Cuba was part of the US, so Rubio’s parents were US citizens.

    I liked the comment by “★FALCON★” that liberals have argued that Rubio and Jindal are not NBC. Always a handy rhetorical technique, attribute to your opponents statements they never made.

  72. avatar
    Arthur January 22, 2013 at 11:42 am #

    Dave: . . . Rubio and Jindal are not NBC. Always a handy rhetorical technique, attribute to your opponents statements they never made.

    Yeah, the only people I’ve seen who think Rubio and Jindal (and Santorum) are not natural born citizens, are birthers. What’s that thing called . . . projection?

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    Crustacean January 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    Keith: Yeah, I was aware of that, but I haven’t ever heard him. What station is he on and do they netcast?

    Apologies for the off-topic diversion, Dr. C, but this is important :)

    It’s KNBR 680, and I believe they do netcast. Tom’s show is 3 – 7 PM Pacific. Warning: this is a San Francisco station, so he spends more time talking about the Warriors than the Cats, and since the W’s haven’t been as gawdawful this year as they usually are, the talk isn’t quite as funny.

    OK, back to our regularly scheduled flambeing of Shame On Liberals (aka S.O.L.)

  74. avatar
    Keith January 22, 2013 at 12:50 pm #

    Crustacean: Apologies for the off-topic diversion, Dr. C, but this is important

    It’s KNBR 680, and I believe they do netcast.Tom’s show is 3 – 7 PM Pacific.Warning: this is a San Francisco station, so he spends more time talking about the Warriors than the Cats, and since the W’s haven’t been as gawdawful this year as they usually are, the talk isn’t quite as funny.

    OK, back to our regularly scheduled flambeing of Shame On Liberals (aka S.O.L.)

    Gracias

  75. avatar
    Thomas Brown January 22, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

    My wife always tells her classes “Here’s why it is important that you learn to write correctly. If you can’t, people will assume you are quite stupid, and they will disregard what you say.”

    Birthers, take note. Those of us who tend to think you are idiots anyway are thrilled when you write like a third-grade drop-out and prove it.

  76. avatar
    Proud Obot January 22, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:
    Birthers are those that don’t believe Barry Saetoro is illegal to be president.Let’s get that fact out of the way.

    There are concerned citizens that believe the BC is a fraud.Even if it is not and Barry said so, then he is not legal to be president because it list a foreign father.

    So, the Birthers (liberals who believe Barry came from heaven) face a two-edge sword, either they are wrong or they are wrong.

    Can Dr. Ignorance explain this?

    Now THAT is the kind of comedy I expect our trolls to provide.

  77. avatar
    Thomas Brown January 22, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: There’s a whole world out there full of Sarah Palins and Ann Coulters just waiting to hug you!

    I’d rather hug a syphilitic wolverine.

  78. avatar
    Shame on Liberals Shame January 22, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    Proud Obot: Now THAT is the kind of comedy I expect our trolls to provide.

    Well if I’m lying to you you should find that funny. Liberals find it humorous when the truth is told to them.

  79. avatar
    Shame on Liberals Shame January 22, 2013 at 5:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I can explain it to a certain extent. Certainly trying to explain your peculiar delusion is something I have tried to accomplish for the past 4 years: why you reject all well-sourced evidence and rely on the original research of non-experts on matters such as claims that the birth certificate is a forgery, when credentialed experts contradict, and why you would think a foreign father disqualifies a President when 7 different courts have said otherwise.

    It is a fact that people who know little overestimate their competence, and so birthers are convinced of their own reasoning skills because they have little (the Dunning-Kruger effect), and they the succumb to confirmation bias. Further birthers hang out on web sites that censor facts and opposing views, leading to a false sense of consensus, the lack of confrontation with the larger world that thinks such views crazy (to use the words of Senator Graham, no “liberal” he). Your concerned citizens are barking mad, and that is the only fact here.

    Obama was born in Hawaii, and people born citizens in the US are natural born citizens. This is quite simple, and the vast majority of people have no problem understanding this.

    Hofstadter has an excellent paper: The Paranoid Style in American Politics. It’s useful in explaining the birthers and the other like-styled cranks, although he was writing long before the birthers.

    The trouble with you is that when the lie fits USE IT! How do you know Barry was born in Hawaii? One liar is not enough, but two liars will convince you, yeah?

    No doctor came out, no nurse came out, the Hospital name was wrong. The number sequence seem tampered with. NO HOSPITAL even came out to say Barry was born here. NONE!

  80. avatar
    Jim January 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:

    Why can’t you accept the fact you have a fraud in office that duped you?

    Why can’t you accept the fact that over 69 million voters, the Congress, the Courts, and most of the world know that the President is eligible? Why can’t you accept the fact that you dreams and desires about the President are your problem and nobody else?

  81. avatar
    aarrgghh January 22, 2013 at 6:02 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: How come you liberals don’t arrest him?

    an excellent question for that flaming libtard with a badge — shurf joe arpaio! perhaps you should ask him.

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    American Mzungu January 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: I thought liberals like to be cursed? They never had fathers you know.

    Just when I thought this headless birther chicken had finished flopping around, SLS gives us a few last spasms. It won’t be long before the jerking stops.

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    Jim January 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:
    No doctor came out, no nurse came out, the Hospital name was wrong.The number sequence seem tampered with.NO HOSPITAL even came out to say Barry was born here.NONE!

    Really? THAT’S your argument? So, where is that requirement? No where you say? Makes sense, since the doctor, nurses, and hospital I was born at are all gone. That’s why we have BC’s…like Hawaii…which are accepted all over the world.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater January 22, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: The trouble with you is that when the lie fits USE IT! How do you know Barry was born in Hawaii? One liar is not enough, but two liars will convince you, yeah?
    No doctor came out, no nurse came out, the Hospital name was wrong. The number sequence seem tampered with. NO HOSPITAL even came out to say Barry was born here. NONE!

    So I guess that’s why you continue to use long debunked lies. We know he was born there because the State of Hawaii says he was born there. How do you know where you were born? The event occured over 40 years ago any doctor or nurse would be in their 80s by now if not long dead. You’re going to take the word of someone so far along in their years and somehow trust their memory when it’s possible they birthed thousands of babies over their career? No the number sequence wasn’t tampered with it fits the numbering of births by surname in a batch set. Kapiolani Hospital came out years ago during their centennial when they read a letter and acknowledged him as being born there. Even a conservative radio host Peter Boyles called the hospital and got acknowledgement http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html?article=8479440
    The Hospital name is correct as it contains the same name on the Nordyke Certificates. You can’t say the name is wrong while at the same time claiming Obama’s numbering is wrong since you’re using the Nordyke certificates as a source for your claim.

  85. avatar
    Northland10 January 22, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

    Proud Obot: Now THAT is the kind of comedy I expect our trolls to provide.

    I’m not so sure. A dedicated troll will enhance his spew with a liberal use of “turd.”

  86. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: No, my daddy taught me logic.How come your daddy don’t teach you stuff like that?You become a liberal with no daddy around.But don’t confuse that with your boyfriend, ok?

    While it is debatable whether or not your “daddy” taught you logic it is beyond dispute that he never taught you manners.

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    justlw January 22, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: No doctor came out, no nurse came out,

    So your major concern is lack of gay medical personnel?

    , the Hospital name was wrong.

    As a marketing professional, I have to agree. I’d have gone with something like “MedHealthana Institute of Wellnessosity.” Do you have opinions on a good logo? I’m thinking of a pair of hands cradling a stylized spleen, flanked by an adorable child and a unicorn.

  88. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 22, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    Only the hospital name is not wrong. Besides the well-documented history of the hospital, we have other birth certificates contemporary with Obama with the same hospital name, not the least of which is that of the Nordyke twins born just 1 day later.

    No doctor came forward because Dr. David A Sinclair, who delivered Obama, is dead. I can’t speak for any nurses, but it was over 50 years ago.

    And of course there is a federal law that prevents hospitals from disclosing health information. However, it might be pushing the truth to say that Kapi’olani hospital didn’t acknowledge Obama’s birth there. Have you seen this video?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YpAa891AmA

    I didn’t think so.

    So you got piece of solid wrong information (the hospital name), and nothing else probative. Birthers are birthers because their heads are full of misinformation.

    Shame on Liberals Shame: No doctor came out, no nurse came out, the Hospital name was wrong. The number sequence seem tampered with. NO HOSPITAL even came out to say Barry was born here. NONE!

  89. avatar
    Arthur January 22, 2013 at 9:39 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: No, my daddy taught me logic. How come your daddy don’t teach you stuff like that? You become a liberal with no daddy around. But don’t confuse that with your boyfriend, ok?

    You sound like a mincing parody of Blanche Dubois.

  90. avatar
    donna January 22, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    doc:

    but birthers SAY there’s no “plaque” at the hospital and IF there were a plaque they would say but there is no “obama wing” or why wasn’t the hospital renamed?

    now where is today’s goalpost?

  91. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 22, 2013 at 10:10 pm #

    Go away and crap somewhere else. You’re banned.

    Your obsession with homosexuality and fatherless households is of no interest to the rest of us.

    My late father was a disabled World War II veteran, a Christian and a fine family man. Your parents never thought you any manners, it appears. Well let me introduce you to the real world: Actions have consequences and decent people don’t put up with the likes of you.

    Shame on Liberals Shame: Liberals need a good spanking! Many never had fathers. Just ask Dr. Ignorance, he knows!

  92. avatar
    misha marinsky January 22, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: How do you know Barry was born in Hawaii?

    Where did Mitt Romney bury the girl he strangled in 1987?

  93. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 22, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Go away and crap somewhere else. You’re banned.

    Your obsession with homosexuality and fatherless households is of no interest to the rest of us.

    My late father was a disabled World War II veteran, a Christian and a fine family man. Your parents never thought you any manners, it appears. Well let me introduce you to the real world: Actions have consequences and decent people don’t put up with the likes of you.

    Good for you, Doc.

  94. avatar
    RoadScholar January 22, 2013 at 11:04 pm #

    donna:
    doc:

    but birthers SAY there’s no “plaque” at the hospital and IF there were a plaque they would say but there is no “obama wing” or why wasn’t the hospital renamed?

    now where is today’s goalpost?

    There’s no plaque because Orly Taitz removed it.

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    aarrgghh January 22, 2013 at 11:14 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Go away and crap somewhere else. You’re banned.

    darn. i was waiting for shame to get back to us about why america’s most constitutionally endowed lawman — shurf joe — still hasn’t frogmarched the biggest fraud in history out of the white house.

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    ZixiOfIx January 23, 2013 at 5:57 am #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: No doctor came out, no nurse came out, the Hospital name was wrong. The number sequence seem tampered with. NO HOSPITAL even came out to say Barry was born here. NONE!

    First of all, name all the doctors, nurses, and hospitals which “came out” for Presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc.

    I know you can’t. You know you can’t. So, why do you demand it of Obama?

    Secondly, I actually knew the doctor who delivered me, as my mother was a nurse and she worked for him. He was pretty old when he delivered me. He’s dead now. I was born in a large hospital in large city. The chances of any nurse remembering the newborn me, assuming any of them are alive, is slim to none.

    Additionally:

    My mother is dead.

    My father is dead.

    My grandparents are all dead.

    My step-grandparents are all dead.

    Some of my aunts and uncles, including all of the ones who came to see me as a baby (we lived across the country and only a few visited) are dead.

    I was the oldest child in my immediate family and amongst the oldest cousins in my extended family, and most of my closest blood relatives weren’t even born when I made my entrance into the world.

    A few cousins who saw me as a baby are dead.

    I’m younger than President Obama by several years, but I have many fewer relatives than he seems to have. I have only a small handful of relatives older than I am.

    I know for a fact that the elderly neighbors in the homes across from us and to the left and right of us when I was growing up are all dead. No one to attest to my babyhood.

    This all adds up to one thing: My story and President Obama’s story are perfect examples of why we don’t rely on people to determine who is who and what is what. We don’t need doctors and nurses to “come out”. People move, they forget, and they die.

    That’s what vital records are for, and the laws, including the laws of evidence, reflect this.

    The people in charge of vital records in Hawaii where President Obama was born have repeatedly said that he was born in Hawaii. Their words carry the weight of law in every state in the Union.

    That’s why birthers cannot win and why birthers will never win with daft arguments about doctors and hospitals and “coming out”.

    Make no mistake about it: Most people in the United States understand all this, which is why Orly Taitz can’t entice enough people to come to her protests to play a game of crazy eights when the shenanigans are over.

    It is why birthers have lost scores of cases and will lose every one in the future. It is why birthers are a laughingstock. It’s why the only “coming out” birthers are ever gonna see is people coming out to laugh at them.

    So, carry on. Schadenfreude demands it.

  97. avatar
    Keith January 23, 2013 at 6:36 am #

    ZixiOfIx: First of all, …

    QFT

  98. avatar
    The Magic M January 23, 2013 at 8:09 am #

    ZixiOfIx: My story and President Obama’s story are perfect examples of why we don’t rely on people to determine who is who and what is what.

    Or just point to McCain and ask how many people from his childhood nearly 80 years ago are still alive. Even for a young nurse witnessing his birth, that would be quite a stretch.

    Also, I kinda miss birthers claiming that McCain didn’t just have to show his birth certificate (which they love to claim) but also “additional evidence” when his NBC status was in question. Let birthers find McCains delivering physician who “gave testimony” and get a new entry in the Guinness Book of Records since the guy would be 120+ years old.

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    The Magic M January 23, 2013 at 8:17 am #

    donna: and IF there were a plaque they would say but there is no “obama wing” or why wasn’t the hospital renamed?

    Until Hawaii is Even if Hawaii were renamed “Obama Island, The He-was-really-born-here State”, birthers will never be satisfied.