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Birds of a feather: Arpaio, Klayman

This story is just too weird. It started off as a fairly simple report that, as you probably know, there is a recall effort directed against the newly-reelected Sheriff Joe Arpaio. A group (Citizens To Protect Fair Election Results, LLC) has formed to fight the recall in court, and the folks in that group come from the Surprise Arizona Tea Party, the same group that got Joe Arpaio doing the birther thing in the first place (shown below with Jerome Corsi on the left).

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It gets a little more curious, and a little more on-topic for this web site, when we find that the legal work for the anti-recall group is being done by birther attorney Larry Klayman. Hmmm, birther, birther.

Generally, I’m not a fan of recall elections unless some significant new fact comes to light, but the people of Arizona will do what they will do. The fact that Arpaio has left uninvestigated hundreds of sex crimes while pursuing Obama’s birth certificate is certainly grounds for recall, except that the voters of Arizona already knew that when reelecting Arpaio.

Now where truth becomes stranger than fiction: the Phoenix NewTimes Blogs discovered a court finding in Ohio that attorney Klayman had inappropriately touched his children. NewTimes said:

What are the chances that a lawyer who was found by a court to have “inappropriately touched” children would try to stop the recall of a county sheriff whose agency failed to properly investigate more than 400 sex crimes?

Now, I’m not a fan of open-ended questions either, but it certainly is strange to say the least. There are several details and nuances that I’m not cutting and pasting here in hopes that readers interested in the topic will follow the links below.

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38 Responses to Birds of a feather: Arpaio, Klayman

  1. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG February 24, 2013 at 6:53 pm #

    I always thought of Klayman as filth, but this ranks right up there with Orly’s exploiting of dead children. But I’m sure the inmates at Birther Report will claim that Klayman’s children are lying Obots.

  2. avatar
    richCares February 24, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    this article belongs on “Comedy Central” or on “The Onion”

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    realist February 24, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    OC Weekly may have “just discovered” the case filing but it’s been known for quite some time and was reported on at Fogbow long ago… and again recently.

    But yeah… birds of a feather.

  4. avatar
    Bob February 24, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    File under: Grifterpedobirthers

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 24, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    The Fogbow knows where the birther skeletons are buried.

    realist:
    OC Weekly may have “just discovered” the case filing but it’s been known for quite some time and was reported on at Fogbow long ago… and again recently.

    But yeah… birds of a feather.

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    Yoda February 24, 2013 at 7:46 pm #

    I was aware of the allegations previously but generally take all allegations with a grain of salt when they stem from custody proceedings, but I had not yet read that opinion. As an alleged attorney, Klayman had to be aware of the fact in a civil case a judge is permitted to take a negative inference whenever some pleads the fifth to a question. Klayman is scum.

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    donna February 24, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

    who wouldda thunked there was more we could say about klayman after he sued his own mother?

    and arpaio? Joe Arpaio’s “Birther” Investigation Still Exists; Lead “Birther” Swears Evidence Coming Soon

    Arpaio’s birther chief Mike Zullo, in an appearance on some birther-friendly radio show, said, “The evidence that we have acquired — new-found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity — will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100 percent a forgery.”

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/01/joe_arpaio_obama_birther_investigation_still_exists_lead_birther_swears_evidence_coming_soon.php

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    Northland10 February 24, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    I dislike recalls greatly and this situation has the greater risk of injury from a million irony meters suddenly crying out in terror and being suddenly silenced. Why does the Surprise Tea Party need to take this to court? If Arpaio has nothing to hide why does he need people to defend him?

    Now what did I do with the helmet and face mask. I know left that Kevlar somewhere.

  9. avatar
    misha marinsky February 24, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I always thought of Klayman as filth

    Yoda: Klayman is scum.

    Klayman joined Jews For Jesus. He’s below insects on the evolutionary scale.

  10. avatar
    dch February 24, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    “Grifterpedobirthers”

    Wow. Great new word! it is threefer!

  11. avatar
    Majority Will February 24, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    dch:
    “Grifterpedobirthers”

    Wow.Great new word! it isthreefer!

    Their poster child slums here from time to time.

  12. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 24, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    OK, who told you I JUST FINISHED watching Star Wars? This is getting too weird (i before e and all).

    Northland10: a million irony meters suddenly crying out in terror and being suddenly silenced.

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    Thinker February 24, 2013 at 9:54 pm #

    This case gets stranger. Klayman is now suing the lawyers who represented him in that Ohio case. It sounds like he wanted them to file lots of contumacious, frivolous, vexatious BS like he does in his lawsuits, but, being ethical and competent, his lawyers refused to do it. The complaint is available here: http://ia801604.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.flsd.414720/gov.uscourts.flsd.414720.1.0.pdf

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    aesthetocyst February 24, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    Thinker: Klayman is now suing the lawyers who represented him in that Ohio case.

    He didn’t represent himself??? First indication I have seen that any birfa’ttorney may indeed actually be a real attorney.

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    bgansel9 February 25, 2013 at 12:31 am #

    “What are the chances that a lawyer who was found by a court to have “inappropriately touched” children would try to stop the recall of a county sheriff whose agency failed to properly investigate more than 400 sex crimes?”

    Poetic justice as far as I’m concerned. I hope that this gains momentum and appears on the front page of the AZ Republic soon.

  16. avatar
    ZixiOfIx February 25, 2013 at 2:11 am #

    The type of people Sheriff Arpaio likes to surround himself with is really interesting.

    The people of Arizona should be deeply ashamed of themselves.

  17. avatar
    Lupin February 25, 2013 at 2:30 am #

    What a freak show. The only thing missing is the chicken woman.

  18. avatar
    misha marinsky February 25, 2013 at 3:31 am #

    Lupin: What a freak show. The only thing missing is the chicken woman.

    Dr C: How about a caption contest?

    “Sheriff Arpaio visits circus sideshow”

    “Sheriff Arpaio with other Gong Show contestants”

    “Sheriff Arpaio takes part in asylum residents fire drill”

    “Sheriff Arpaio meets adults who were disadvantaged children”

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    misha marinsky February 25, 2013 at 3:37 am #

    Lupin: What a freak show. The only thing missing is the chicken woman.

    “Sheriff Arpaio meets with asylum residents during inspection tour”

  20. avatar
    misha marinsky February 25, 2013 at 3:43 am #

    “Sheriff Arpaio with other bribery scandal defendants”

  21. avatar
    misha marinsky February 25, 2013 at 3:45 am #

    ZixiOfIx: The type of people Sheriff Arpaio likes to surround himself with is really interesting.

    Yeah, real class. Not.

  22. avatar
    roadburner February 25, 2013 at 4:43 am #

    misha marinsky: Dr C: How about a caption contest?”

    `arpaio and freinds gettng ready to board the short bus and help quadruple the attendance at oilys next protest

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    The Magic M February 25, 2013 at 5:26 am #

    donna: Arpaio’s birther chief Mike Zullo, in an appearance on some birther-friendly radio show, said, “The evidence that we have acquired — new-found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity — will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100 percent a forgery.”

    I’m still waiting for birthers to show me any other case in US history where an “official law enforcement investigation” was in any way interested in “convincing (the greatest) skeptics” that somebody is guilty of a crime. Real law enforcement is only interested in gathering enough evidence to convince a trial jury, not in whether the public agrees with their findings or not.
    But we all know that birthers are all out of red flags to be raised.

  24. avatar
    The Magic M February 25, 2013 at 5:34 am #

    > Generally, I’m not a fan of recall elections unless some significant new fact comes to light, but the people of Arizona will do what they will do.

    I’d call this poetic justice. After all, birthers have always been the first to demand the recall of any judge, SOS, Congress member and Governor who dared to disagree with them.
    To watch them go ape-sh*t when somebody tries their own medicine on them is simply priceless.
    To watch them use intimidation tactics OTOH is pretty much disgusting. Then again, most elected officials who have held their position for more than 15 years will never go without a fight. After such a long time, they feel untouchable and often like little kings. I’ve seen the same over here when Chancellor Kohl was in office for 16 years. Even worse examples are Samaranch (IOC, 21 years) and Havelange (FIFA, 24 years).

  25. avatar
    Thomas Brown February 25, 2013 at 8:40 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    This is getting too weird (i before e and all).

    In chronological order:

    weyward
    wey’rd
    weyrd
    weird

    You’re welcome.

  26. avatar
    Sactosintolerant February 25, 2013 at 11:17 am #

    The Northern Arizona Mexican Border Love Association fully supports Klayman’s efforts.

  27. avatar
    Sudoku February 25, 2013 at 11:21 am #

    IIRC, Klayman did represent himself at first, but was so contentious in depositions that the Judge made him retain co-counsel.

    Klayman sued the judges.

    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/ohio/ohndce/1:2009cv01459/159468/3

    His appeal (gasp) didn’t go well for him:

    http://law.justia.com/cases/ohio/eighth-district-court-of-appeals/2012/97074.html

  28. avatar
    Daniel February 25, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    Thinker: This case gets stranger. Klayman is now suing the lawyers who represented him in that Ohio case. It sounds like he wanted them

    Apparently one of the points he’s suing on is that the lawyers representing him failed to inform him that not paying child support was an indictable offense. You’d think, being a lawyer himself, he might have checked the laws in that state before deciding not to pay child support?

    It does explain his penchant for losing though.

  29. avatar
    Daniel February 25, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    One does not often see a broke lawyer, but in Klayman’s case, it’s obvious why.

  30. avatar
    donna February 25, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    Daniel: Apparently one of the points he’s suing on is that the lawyers representing him failed to inform him that not paying child support was an indictable offense. You’d think, being a lawyer himself, he might have checked the laws in that state before deciding not to pay child support?

    UNLESS you just fell off a turnip truck

    deadbeat republican joe walsh’s congressional salary was garnished for unpaid child support – now, since was not re-elected, he is fighting to terminate child support

  31. avatar
    misha marinsky February 25, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

    Remember, Klayman actually sued his own mother, and took it to trial.

    Nothing that shonde does surprises me.

    What happened to the party of Teddy Roosevelt and Nelson Rockefeller?

  32. avatar
    GLaB February 25, 2013 at 5:00 pm #

    misha marinsky:

    What happened to the party of Teddy Roosevelt and Nelson Rockefeller?

    Limbaugh, Drudge, Coulter ….

  33. avatar
    john February 25, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    The judge says Klayman “inappropriately touched” his children but says he could find nothing “sexually” involved with it. Then one has to ask the question, just what was found “inappropriate” if the touching was nonsexual in nature. The judge also reports that Klayman was uncooperative during the investigation and would not speak up to defend his innocense. Sexual violations are very serious crimes. If someone is investigating you for sexual violations, you damn right your going to be silent (5th Amendment and right to remain silent)

  34. avatar
    Horus February 25, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    I love the NewTimes, they are the only lefty news in most of Arizona.
    Plus I have used the restaurant reviews, more times than I can count, to choose restaurants while in Phoenix.

  35. avatar
    Keith February 25, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

    Sactosintolerant:
    The Northern Arizona Mexican Border Love Association fully supports Klayman’s efforts.

    Cartman loves those folks

  36. avatar
    Terry K. February 25, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    Daniel:
    One does not often see a broke lawyer, but in Klayman’s case, it’s obvious why.

    Sadly, Klayman is probably not as broke as we might hope. Bradlee Dean revealed that his failed, Klayman-represented lawsuit against Rachel Maddow cost him $77,000. That doesn’t include the $24,000 was to pay Maddow’s lawyers for trying to move the case to a different court system where Maddow couldn’t use an anti-SLAPP defense. Since the case has been dismissed, it appears that Dean is not obligated to pay that — though he could probably sue Klayman for incompetent representation for not filing in a non-SLAPP court in the first place.

  37. avatar
    misha marinsky February 26, 2013 at 12:22 am #

    Terry K.: Maddow couldn’t use an anti-SLAPP defense

    Whenever I get a lawyer letter, I respond “Go ahead and sue. I need the publicity.”

  38. avatar
    The Magic M February 26, 2013 at 4:49 am #

    john: If someone is investigating you for sexual violations, you damn right your going to be silent (5th Amendment and right to remain silent)

    I thought Birtherverse operated on the premise that anyone who doesn’t try *anything* to prove his innocence must have something to hide (as in “why doesn’t Obama just show his BC in court”). It’s pure irony that KKKlayman finds himself on the other end of the stick in this case.

    Daniel: Apparently one of the points he’s suing on is that the lawyers representing him failed to inform him that not paying child support was an indictable offense. You’d think, being a lawyer himself, he might have checked the laws in that state before deciding not to pay child support?

    He tries to have the cake and eat it. He claims his lawyers gave him wrong advice and he followed it in good faith, then claims that he was harmed as a lawyer.

    misha marinsky: Whenever I get a lawyer letter, I respond “Go ahead and sue. I need the publicity.”

    Which is the perfect rebuttal for another crank favourite, “if I were wrong, somebody would have sued me by now”. Nobody wants to give publicitiy opportunities to a crank.

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