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Leftover news: Strunk withdraws, US responds

In leftover news from yesterday, Christopher-Earl: Strunk filed a handwritten note on a printed email with the Circuit Court of Appeals in DC, withdrawing his appeal in his FOIA lawsuit. He cites financial limitations. Strunk also faces an unknown amount of sanctions from previous lawsuits in New York. He says the the government has probably destroyed all the documents he wants anyway. The Court dismissed the appeal following his request.

In the case of Grinols v. Electoral College, Orly Taitz’ attempt to rewrite the 2012 election in California, the US Government moved last Friday to dismiss the complaint as to the Federal Defendants (the California State defendants previously filed a motion to dismiss). The US Attorney notes that while named in the lawsuit, President Obama does not appear to have been served with the complaint, and as such is not a party to the lawsuit.

Read the Government’s brief:

EDCA ECF 71-1-2013-02-15 – Grinols v Electoral College – Federal Defendants Memo in Support of Motion to Di… by Jack Ryan

In the mean time, Orly has filed an Amended Complaint: Part 1 and Part 2. There is a hearing scheduled in March on a motion to reconsider

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29 Responses to Leftover news: Strunk withdraws, US responds

  1. avatar
    alg February 20, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    Little by little…bit by bit…ruling after ruling…each and everyone of these silly lawsuits are being dispatched. Is the birther nonsense factory finally coming to an end?

    I see that Orly is now turning her full attention to Congress, inventing petitions and admonishing her gullible lemmings to email their respective representatives.

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    Andrew Morris February 20, 2013 at 10:16 am #

    Now THAT is what a brief should look like! Not the hysterial ranting that Taitz pumps out, most of it cut-and-paste.

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    JPotter February 20, 2013 at 11:29 am #

    Yes, a brief that is brief and organized. Well-structured. Most of all … readable.

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    Rickey February 20, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

    Speaking of briefs, Strunk hasn’t filed his appeal brief in his sanctions case yet. He received an extension but he has to file it in the next two days.

    http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/ad2/calendar/webcal/motions/2012/M145473.pdf

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    Andrew Morris February 20, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

    Seems still to have the mindset that was in play as she ran up repeated violations for talking on a mobile phone while driving, and running red lights, i.e. she is pathologically inacapable of learning. Who was it who said that doing the same thing over and over again in hope of a different result is a definition of insanity? Parts One and Two are the same old. Except now she’s claiming that she and her bunch of angry white loons should be certified (indeed they should be!) as a class action. Is there no way to yank a law licence? She knows nothing about electoral law, the Constitution, evidence, procedure, drafting, service.

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    Birther Weary February 20, 2013 at 1:00 pm #

    Andrew Morris:
    Is there no way to yank a law licence? She knows nothing about electoral law, the Constitution, evidence, procedure, drafting, service.

    That wouldn’t stop her. She’d just keep doing the same thing, pro se.

    What will stop her is sanctions. There is a point where her husband and children will tire of watching while she destroys the family’s financial security, and step in to stop it.

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    Andrew Morris February 20, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

    I’ve always assumed that they tolerate her crap because it keeps her out of their way.

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    mostlyharmless February 20, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

    I’m new to looking in-depth at birther nonsense – it was just irritating but I mostly ignored it. An acquaintance posted stuff that was so outrageous that I had to look into it and it led me here…what I find fascinating is the person behind it – I’ll admit to wanting to play armchair psychologist. What do you think motivates this woman? Why would anyone put so much effort into something that clearly is going nowhere and earns them no respect from her “peers” (meaning legal professionals)? How could a person keep this up for so long? Thx.

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    donna February 20, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    mostlyharmless: How could a person keep this up for so long?

    ahhh a question for history

    my fave quote: “History will be harsh in its judgment against these peddlers of conspiracy theories – they won’t be seen as the patriots they imagine but as crackpot reactionaries who ended up hurting the credibility of their fellow conservatives.”

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    Bob February 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

    mostlyharmless: What do you think motivates this woman?

    I think she has legal Munchausen’s Syndrome — creating a problem where none exists and screaming about it merely in order to draw attention to herself. She’s done absolutely nothing that would indicate a serious intention of resolving the “issue.” She’s had all of her “questions” answered time and time again.

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    mostlyharmless February 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    Someone in comments I read here talked about conspiracy theorists who cut things up and paste them into an ugly collage – when you are already convinced of the answer to something, every bit of evidence against your position will somehow get twisted around to suit your “answer”.

    I think that’s what I’ve found so frustrating about our current political climate. You can’t have a conversation where information enlightens and possibly changes an opinion – there are too many on both sides who have dug their heels in with their “answer”. Or if one side refuses to budge (listen, consider), the other side has to do the same or else gets chowdered. eh, well, I’m sure you all know this well! Or if you refuse to engage, you lose because the big mouthpieces get all the air time. arggg

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    Plantmaster February 20, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

    mostlyharmless:

    – I’ll admit to wanting to play armchair psychologist. What do you think motivates this woman? Why would anyone put so much effort into something that clearly is going nowhere and earns them no respect from her “peers” (meaning legal professionals)? How could a person keep this up for so long?

    Answer: a combination of the following-(1) Narcissistic Personality Disorder (2) Histrionic Personality Disorder (3) General Psychopathy–NOS and (4) Racist Assininity

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    roadburner February 20, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    alg:
    Little by little…bit by bit…ruling after ruling…each and everyone of these silly lawsuits are being dispatched.Is the birther nonsense factory finally coming to an end?

    I see that Orly is now turning her full attention to Congress, inventing petitions and admonishing her gullible lemmings to email their respective representatives.

    what i find most worrying is that the inhabitants of birferstan are starting to realise that the courts have roundly rejected all their crap, and will continue to do so no matter what order they word it in.

    the desperation is racking up in the comments within their echo chambers.

    the possiblility of one of them doing something stupid, but in a violent manner is IMO getting very close

    and i hope to christ im wrong.

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    bgansel9 February 20, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    donna: “History will be harsh in its judgment against these peddlers of conspiracy theories – they won’t be seen as the patriots they imagine but as crackpot reactionaries who ended up hurting the credibility of their fellow conservatives.”

    Great quote. Now, can we skip to the end and get it over with? I’d like for them to be invariably known for the pain they’ve caused their GOP. (what can I say, I’m also “birther weary”.)

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    The Magic M February 21, 2013 at 5:43 am #

    roadburner: the possiblility of one of them doing something stupid, but in a violent manner is IMO getting very close

    I don’t think so. Birthers are the same type of cranks I’m familiar with from watching the right-wing extremist scene in my country. Those who speak out on the internet are not the types who will risk their life, or health, or job etc. “for the cause”. Instead they find more and more excuses for themselves why they don’t have to act – the constant belief in the next “OMG moment” is a clear symptom for that.

    Our right-wing cranks keep making up “historical meaningful deadlines” such as “60 years after the surrender of the German forces” or “70 years after the installation of the Constitution” and believe (or try to convince themselves) that once such a deadline is met, things will unravel (i.e. turn out favourably to the Nazi apologists) on their own. E.g. there was the claim that by the Hague convention, the Reich would have to be reinstalled after 60 years of “occupation” by the Allied Forces; when that didn’t happen, they simply turned their eyes on their next made-up OMG moment.

    They are so ensconched in their “any day now” that they don’t even realize they have been wasting years waiting for Godot.

    And just like “any day now” will never come, I firmly believe that those birthers we read about will never do anything violent. In fact, I bet that even if the government came for their guns, they would simply hand them over and then write angry internet comments about it.

    There may be offline birthers who are actually nuts enough to turn violent, but if you look at the facts, how probable is that? Even after Obama’s re-election, not even those with the most violent rhethoric have done so much as hit an “Obot” in the face.

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    Sam the Centipede February 21, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    The Magic M: …Birthers are the same type of cranks I’m familiar with from watching the right-wing extremist scene in my country. Those who speak out on the internet are not the types who will risk their life, or health, or job etc. “for the cause”. Instead they find more and more excuses for themselves why they don’t have to act – the constant belief in the next “OMG moment” is a clear symptom for that. …
    … Even after Obama’s re-election, not even those with the most violent rhethoric have done so much as hit an “Obot” in the face.

    You’re right about the apathy of birthers, who can’t even be bothered to go out and demonstrate. They’ll make crank phone calls, but that’s about it for most. It’s good that their violent thoughts are only expressed in words, not in deeds.

    However, the “sovereign citizen” movement does seem to be a home for actually and potentially violent RWNJs. I don’t know if there’s much of an overlap; I guess the sovcit party line is that it doesn’t matter whether Mr. Obama is eligible to be President or not because they reject the entire political and administrative structure of the USA (while no doubt continuing to take money from it when offered and to use its roads, etc.).

    The USA has two associated problems in its social structure: a significant fraction of people are irrationally fearful of anything unusual or different and there is a history and sometimes fetishisation of violence (as in the frequent birther dreams of killing Mr. Obama). The danger is when the fearfulness and violence meet are mixed with the ready availability of firearms. It only takes a short period of madness for a tragedy to occur.

    It’s not everybody of course, but a few violent and irrational people can cause a heck of a lot of pain and grief.

    With 300 plus million people in the country, if even 0.01% (one in ten thousand) of the population are involved in any movement, that’s over 30,000 people. That both shows how small the birther movement is (perhaps 1000 active??) but also that a “meme” doesn’t have to have large penetration to gain a serious number of followers.

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    The Magic M February 21, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    Sam the Centipede: there is a history and sometimes fetishisation of violence (as in the frequent birther dreams of killing Mr. Obama)

    Yes, but I would compare that to people who play violent shooter games. While there have been attempts to blame shootings like Sandy Hook (which have happened in Germany as well) on “killer games”, I think the jury is still out on that.
    Personally, I think such fantasies have a cathartic effect and actually *decrease* their anger and therefore the probability the person will actually carry out those fantasies.
    Of course this does not hold for actual certified nutcases, but then again I don’t think birthers are the violent kind. They are mostly old cowards locked up in their basement “because if I go out, the government will get me”.

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    jayHG February 21, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

    mostlyharmless:
    I’m new to looking in-depth at birther nonsense – it was just irritating but I mostly ignored it.An acquaintance posted stuff that was so outrageous that I had to look into it and it led me here…what I find fascinating is the person behind it – I’ll admit to wanting to play armchair psychologist.What do you think motivates this woman?Why would anyone put so much effort into something that clearly is going nowhere and earns them no respect from her “peers” (meaning legal professionals)?How could a person keep this up for so long?Thx.

    If you think Orly is crazy, you have to google that butterdezillion person. She’s a loon if I ever saw one AND you know this because she spouts all kinds of deluded crazyiness and is 100000% convinced that she’s right. She actually believes that she and Larry Klayman sent some letter to the Senators and now they are “on notice” and so they are committing treason if they don’t frog march President out of the White House and Hawii has CONFIRMED that the birth certificate is a forgery and….well, you get the picture.

    I would love for you to read some of her ravings/rantings and tell me what you think.

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    US Citizen February 21, 2013 at 3:52 pm #

    mostlyharmless: What do you think motivates this woman? Why would anyone put so much effort into something that clearly is going nowhere and earns them no respect from her “peers” (meaning legal professionals)? How could a person keep this up for so long?

    #1 reason: Ego
    Consider that Orly has never had people following or praising her.
    She’s never been looked up to by so many people in her life.
    She is now Lady Liberty.
    This is her ego’s greatest success.

    #2 reason: Money and laziness.
    Orly has assumed titles that normally take extraordinary training and skill:
    Dentistry and the law.
    In these careers one must normally work very hard before even making any money.
    Then afterward, only the hardest jobs ever make any sizable money.

    However Orly is only qualified for the bare minimums of her professions.
    Her dental work has brought complaints even for the most minimum operations like teeth cleaning, a job normally delegated to a 3rd party hygienist.
    Her law work speaks for itself.
    So Orly has only studied with laziness, learned only the minimum and can only perform the minimum… all producing a minimum of income.

    Now consider her birther-law exploits.
    She gets sent money for little work.
    The work can be shoddy and unsuccessful too.
    Instead of trying important cases or doing quality dental work, her Paypal account gathers free money.
    This money is not based on her skills or accomplishments, but only on giver’s emotions and hopes.

    If a person has such a huge ego, loves money and is lazy, doing what she’s doing now would come naturally.
    It would be bolstered by the fact her husband makes millions, something Orly likely desires in order to feel equal.

    So Ego, money and laziness are my bets.

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    US Citizen February 21, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    oh and….

    “i” before “e,” except after “c,” or when sounded like “a,” as in “neighbor” and “weigh…”
    …unless you’re an ancient weird science being, a heifer bothered by his conscience or a hygienist with liens threatening them to walk off a pier.

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    Andrew Morris February 21, 2013 at 4:11 pm #

    Returning to Doc’s comment that Orly makers routine court announcements into a HUGE deal…she’s now claiming victory because the State of California is withdrawing its opposition to her original motion:

    Press Release: Motion to dismiss by the defendants in Grinols v Electoral College was withdrawn

    But she clearly didn’t (or maybe she did) read the second sentence in their letter, where they said they would of course be filing an opposition to her amended motion.

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    Andrew Morris February 21, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    Perhaps we need a “rate my lawyer”…this is from a dental review site:

    Family & Cosmestics Dentistry: Taitz Orly DDS: Reviews
    1 – 6 of about 6

    The Worst‎
    Rated 1.0 out of 5.0 By Paul – Oct 28, 2009
    Left office in middle of appointment. Dr. Taitz is rude, loud, and does not appear to know what she is doing. Personal hygiene is poor; made me gag to be so close to her and she kept flicking mascara flakes into my face off her false eyelashes. Office looked dirty.‎

    Doesn’t know what the heck she is…‎
    Rated 1.0 out of 5.0 By info – Sep 16, 2009
    I walked out halfway thru my visit, with my bib on and bleeding profusely. I should have know…while I was in the waiting room, she got served papers for a lawsuit. Go elsewhere please.‎

    Worst cleaning ever.‎
    Rated 2.0 out of 5.0 By Rmleider – Aug 5, 2009
    She may have scraped my tounge and gums more than my teeth. NEVER AGAIN.‎

    she didn’t finish my dental work right‎
    Rated 2.0 out of 5.0 By jeff – Aug 4, 2009
    Not a good dentist. Not a nice person. She is not the one you want digging around your mouth. I recommend you find someone else. I had to find another dentist to repair what she had done. The only reason I gave her 2 stars is that she had the decency to not charge me for poor work. Overall, Orly Taitz left a bad taste in my mouth.‎

    OMG this woman is a nutjob‎
    Rated 1.0 out of 5.0 By lucene – Aug 4, 2009
    This is that psycho that is the “lawyer” that got her degree from an online school and claims she is a dentist, a lawyer, a real estate agent, and a master in Tae Kwon Doe. She is a nutjob of the worst sort. Stay away!! I wonder if she is even a real dentist.

    Stay Away‎
    Rated 1.0 out of 5.0 By jameskw – Aug 3, 2009
    I think she is overcharging based on her rates but who knows, and smells awful when up close. She’s an uncaring doctor in my opinion and just not very personable. …

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    misha marinsky February 21, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    The Magic M: they don’t even realize they have been wasting years waiting for Godot.

    Then who was that guy in my building’s lobby, who introduced himself as “Monsieur Godot”?

    He seemed sincere, so I loaned him a twenty.

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    misha marinsky February 21, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

    roadburner: the possiblility of one of them doing something stupid, but in a violent manner is IMO getting very close

    and i hope to christ im wrong.

    You listen to Arpaio and Boehner, and it’s clear they are trying to incite a lone wolf – and are disingenuous about it.

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    The Magic M February 22, 2013 at 4:20 am #

    US Citizen: “i” before “e,” except after “c,” or when sounded like “a,”

    I always found actual rules for English spelling ironic given words like sieve / conceive / concede / proceed – four spellings for the same “i:” sound that would pretty much always be rendered as “ie” in German. (Coming from a language that is pretty much “spelled as spoken” with little ambiguities, I was lucky to learn English without having to memorize a lot.)

    misha marinsky: Then who was that guy in my building’s lobby, who introduced himself as “Monsieur Godot”?

    Maybe the International Jewish Conspiracy is on a priority visit list? ;)

    Andrew Morris: But she clearly didn’t (or maybe she did) read the second sentence in their letter, where they said they would of course be filing an opposition to her amended motion.

    She has meanwhile acknowledged as much in a comment to her own article, but of course she won’t update her “press release”.

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    Kiwiwriter February 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm #

    What’s the story on this jackass’s stupid name? Is he one of those “Sovereign Citizens” who thinks that he’s an independent nation?

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    Keith February 23, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    Kiwiwriter:
    What’s the story on this jackass’s stupid name? Is he one of those “Sovereign Citizens” who thinks that he’s an independent nation?

    Who?

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    Kiwiwriter February 23, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    Keith: Who?

    Strunk, I mean…what’s with the colon in his name? “Christopher-Earl: Strunk”

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    Keith February 23, 2013 at 7:29 pm #

    Kiwiwriter: Strunk, I mean…what’s with the colon in his name? “Christopher-Earl: Strunk”

    Oh. I see. If I recall correctly he is indeed a sovcit, but while I noticed his punctuated handle, I don’t set much relevance in forum handles. He might just be trying to keep it separate from his other 15 personalities for all I know. I didn’t take it as important; but then again the sovcits take EVERY capital letter and punctuation mark as legally vital so what do I know?

    Are you an American in Aotearoa? Te Ika-a-Māui or Te Wai Pounamu?