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The occasional open thread: Saul Alinsky memorial edition

Never read Alinsky myself, but the birthers seem to like him.

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    roadburner February 22, 2013 at 3:37 am #

    i believe youll find that 99.9999% of birfoons havent read alinsky either

    its enough for them that a community organiser with a funny un-american sounding name = evil socialist commie.

    hmmm….think we have a pattern here :D

    they loves them a nice bogeyman to wave about!

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    The Magic M February 22, 2013 at 3:59 am #

    OK, if this is not a spoof, it has got to be the dumbest birther comment ever, and that is saying something:

    When you win this, will there be a special election between your plaintiffs? This is the first I heard of this lawsuit and didn’t realize you were representing 3 presidential candidates. How will this work? Do you get to select one of them to replace Obama?

    This was a comment on Orly’s site about her Grinols case.

    Then again it doesn’t surprise me that a self-proclaimed “defender of the Constitution” thinks a goofball lawyer gets to pick the next President on “Any day now Day”…

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    The Magic M February 22, 2013 at 4:02 am #

    And why don’t we start a rumour “Obama campaign to finance Hollywood movie version of ‘Rules for Radicals’?” and see how far it propagates? *lol*

    Edit: It is done. :-)

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    Bran Mak Morn February 22, 2013 at 4:55 am #

    I’ve read a few pages from “Rules for Radicals.” Some things just are “common sense,” some things are “pragmatics for the task,” the second which I believe end up being morally questionable at the best times, and outright wrong, in the worst sections

    Nonetheless, we must remember there is more to Alinsky than his “rules.” I don’t think he lived them “to the letter” himself. The egotism promoted in them run contrary to any real work for the other, service for change. I don’t think Alinsky understood this, but his friends, like Maritain, did. In other words, I don’t agree with a demonization of Alinsky.

    And it’s quite true, the ones who bring him up the most, tend to be the ones who follow his rules to the letter in their propaganda (WND and their ilk).

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    Dave Alinsky February 22, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    The Magic M: And why don’t we start a rumour “Obama campaign to finance Hollywood movie version of ‘Rules for Radicals’?” and see how far it propagates? *lol*Edit: It is done.

    Damn! Does that mean I get residuals?

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    Keep in mind that some significant percentage of the comments on Orly’s site are making fun of her. Your example was from one “Gaye Barr” (gay bar).

    The Magic M: This was a comment on Orly’s site about her Grinols case.

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    The Magic M February 22, 2013 at 11:14 am #

    Oh, I missed that tidbit. ;)

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    Rickey February 22, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Keep in mind that some significant percentage of the comments on Orly’s site are making fun of her. Your example was from one “Gaye Barr” (gay bar).

    A few days ago she let a comment through from someone named “Enorme Pene.”

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    donna February 22, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    and yet she deleted my link to the mississippi decision which i tried to post before she acknowledged the defeat

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    Threefiddy February 22, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    Saul Alinski is one of those foreign sounding, evil creepy names birthers like to toss around.. I had no idea who he was until I started tracking their threads.

    I doubt they know who he is.. I still don’t.

    Birthers, and by extension, too many Republicans are what I like to term, “ideologically ignorant”. Not stupid.. But definitely ignorant.

    As in, they are predisposed towards a certain black and white view of things. And they usually disregard any information that challenges that view, no matter how convincing. So they are incapable of reasoned thought.. As a last resort, they’ll change facts around to support those views.

    Which is fine, as long as they don’t hold positions of power over the rest of us.. That would not be good.

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    donna February 22, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    Threefiddy: I doubt they know who he is..

    he was the original “community organizer” supported by the catholic church who hired obama – his book is read by the tea party and george romney said republicans should be listening to saul –

    In 1969, Saul Alinsky received the Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award, given annually by a coalition of Catholic groups in the Midwest to commemorate an encyclical about human rights and alternatives to war written by Pope John XXIII. Most honorees have been ardent reformers of one faith or another: Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu, Cesar Chavez, Daniel Berrigan, and Jim Wallis are on the list—as is Lech Walesa.

    OH AND it might be difficult to criticize the woman who received the award seven years after Saul Alinsky: a community organizer from Calcutta named Mother Teresa.

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    sfjeff February 22, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

    Thanks I didn’t know any of that. Literally everything else I know about Alinsky has been from Birthers who seem to think that they have memorized his rules.

    A couple people have mentioned his foreign and ‘commie’ sounding name- but the other obvious to me linkage to his name is that it is “Jewish’ sounding.

    Birthers love them their boogeymen.

    Donna:

    Threefiddy: I doubt they know who he is..

    he was the original “community organizer” supported by the catholic church who hired obama – his book is read by the tea party and george romney said republicans should be listening to saul –

    In 1969, Saul Alinsky received the Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award, given annually by a coalition of Catholic groups in the Midwest to commemorate an encyclical about human rights and alternatives to war written by Pope John XXIII. Most honorees have been ardent reformers of one faith or another: Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu, Cesar Chavez, Daniel Berrigan, and Jim Wallis are on the list—as is Lech Walesa.

    OH AND it might be difficult to criticize the woman who received the award seven years after Saul Alinsky: a community organizer from Calcutta named Mother Teresa.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm #

    Yes I found that, and featured it in my new article:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/02/tricksters-taunt-taitz-terribly/

    Rickey: A few days ago she let a comment through from someone named “Enorme Pene.”

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    donna February 22, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    Anti-Gay Pastor Posts New ‘Proof’ Obama Is Homosexual

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/22/scott-lively-obama-gay_n_2742242.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

    Birthers Unite Against Anti-Arpaio Effort

    Attorney Larry Klayman is threatening a lawsuit over a move to oust the Arizona sheriff

    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/21/birthers_unite_against_joe_arpaio_recall_effort/singleton/

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    Horus February 22, 2013 at 6:08 pm #

    Threefiddy:
    Saul Alinski is one of those foreign sounding, evil creepy names birthers like to toss around..I had no idea who he was until I started tracking their threads.

    I doubt they know who he is..I still don’t.

    Birthers, and by extension, too many Republicans are what I like to term, “ideologically ignorant”. Not stupid.. But definitely ignorant.

    As in, they are predisposed towards a certain black and white view of things. And they usually disregard any information that challenges that view, no matter how convincing.So they are incapable of reasoned thought..As a last resort, they’ll change facts around to support those views.

    Which is fine, as long as they don’t hold positions of power over the rest of us.. That would not be good.

    Like that guy who went on Hard Ball and kept comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlin.
    When Chris called him on it and asked him what Chamberlin had done, he could only stammer. He could not explain what he did and how Obama was like him.

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    misha marinsky February 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

    Threefiddy: Saul Alinski is one of those foreign sounding, evil creepy names birthers like to toss around.. I had no idea who he was until I started tracking their threads.

    I doubt they know who he is.. I still don’t.

    ‘Obama was influenced by Alinsky’ is a dog whistle to anti-Semites.

    Horus: When Chris called him on it and asked him what Chamberlin had done, he could only stammer. He could not explain what he did and how Obama was like him.

    All conservatives can do is cut and paste.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2013 at 10:02 pm #

    Taitz has done it again, outdoing herself in arrogance. She is asking her readers to make an appointment for her with Congressman Scalisi for March 5. Given her general ineptitude in legal matters, perhaps she fears that she’d screw up making an appointment too.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=394921

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    misha marinsky February 22, 2013 at 11:23 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Taitz has done it again, outdoing herself in arrogance. She is asking her readers to make an appointment for her with Congressman Scalisi for March 5.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=394921

    I went to the link. On the sidebar, she wrote “If you would like to advertize here…”

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    aesthetocyst February 23, 2013 at 12:15 am #

    Horus: Like that guy who went on Hard Ball and kept comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlin.
    When Chris called him on it and asked him what Chamberlin had done, he could only stammer.He could not explain what he did and how Obama was like him.

    Kevin James!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0d8ENS__c

    It’s around 4min 15sec.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater February 23, 2013 at 12:31 am #

    aesthetocyst: Kevin James!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0d8ENS__c

    It’s around 4min 15sec.

    yeah this dbag is currently running for Mayor of Los Angeles
    http://www.kevinjamesformayor.com/

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    aesthetocyst February 23, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: yeah this dbag is currently running for Mayor of Los Angeles

    What makes it so awesome is that you know Matthews knew James was going there, and just had to walk him into it. “Chamberlin” is just another go-to word, a default political insult. Google “Obama Chamberlin” and you’ll get an eyeful, from 2008 right up to the present day.

    Another good one going around is the Chuck Hagel / “Friends of Hamas” bit. We joke here about wingnuts taking sarcasm and jest as gospel truth …. and there’s a real-life example!

    http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172631896/friends-of-hamas-how-a-joke-went-wrong

    Of course, the fine folks at Breitbart don’t do it because their stupid, but because they know it will play. If only the guy had left it at “The Junior League of Hezbollah” LOL

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    bobj February 23, 2013 at 6:34 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Taitz has done it again, outdoing herself in arrogance. She is asking her readers to make an appointment for her with Congressman Scalisi for March 5. Given her general ineptitude in legal matters, perhaps she fears that she’d screw up making an appointment too.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=394921

    When I was a kid and wanted to do something like watch T.V, I would have my little sister ask our parents. They always seemed to say no to me much more easily than to her.

    Every time I read about Orly asking the FM’s to do a mundane task, I wonder if she is the same reasoning.

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    Majority Will February 23, 2013 at 8:07 am #

    aesthetocyst: What makes it so awesome is that you know Matthews knew James was going there, and just had to walk him into it. “Chamberlin” is just another go-to word, a default political insult. Google “Obama Chamberlin” and you’ll get an eyeful, from 2008 right up to the present day.

    Another good one going around is the Chuck Hagel / “Friends of Hamas” bit. We joke here about wingnuts taking sarcasm and jest as gospel truth …. and there’s a real-life example!

    http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172631896/friends-of-hamas-how-a-joke-went-wrong

    Of course, the fine folks at Breitbart don’t do it because their stupid, but because they know it will play. If only the guy had left it at “The Junior League of Hezbollah” LOL

    “He was an appeaser!”

    Great. Another word slandered by a ego driven fanatic and revisionist. Leave our good words alone.

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    Paul Pieniezny February 23, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Keep in mind that some significant percentage of the comments on Orly’s site are making fun of her. Your example was from one “Gaye Barr” (gay bar).

    I swear, if the writer had used a “normal name” (like Bobby Jindle, Shuffle Klayman or Amerigo Vatelli) I would have thought Orly wrote it herself.

    [How's that for Alinsky tactics, Svetochka?]

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    donna February 23, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

    doc: Bob addresses this in his book. I’ll paraphrase his answer: Madison says parentage sometimes matters. Where? Obviously in presidential qualifications.

    it’s so “obvious” that the founders kept a “3rd class of citizenship for the presidency” a secret ……. a secret so hidden that no court nor credible analyst has found that “3rd class of citizenship for the presidency” credible

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    Kiwiwriter February 23, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    Heard of Mr. Alinsky, and because of this page, I glanced at his theories. Interesting.

    I also recommend “John George & Laird WIlcox”‘s book “Nazis, Communists, Klansmen, and Others on the Fringe.” It analyzes them in great detail, and has a lot of insight. It runs through a lot of conspiracy theory lies, breaking down their idiocy and origins.

    The book also delineates behavior traits of radicals on left and right equally. An important point it makes as do other books on the subject is that radicalism is more about “style” than “content.” Which is why you see guys like Mark Hess III and Bill White flip from left to right or right to left, always extremist, no matter what.

    Another psychologist wrote in another book I have is that adherents of conspiracy theories could join any cause or movement…they could become neo-Nazis or Earth Firsters, whoever gets them. They’re sponges waiting to be filled with water.

    Also, a lot of radicalism is about extremely unimportant people trying to put importance into their lives…just look at the stuff they spout, about how they’re at the center of the great battle for freedom against an oppressive tyranny, and that tyranny is working night and day to ruin their lives. The exaggerated self-importance and narcissism covers their deep sense of unimportance and self-loathing.

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    Majority Will February 23, 2013 at 6:52 pm #

    Kiwiwriter:
    Heard of Mr. Alinsky, and because of this page, I glanced at his theories. Interesting.

    I also recommend “John George & Laird WIlcox”‘s book “Nazis, Communists, Klansmen, and Others on the Fringe.” It analyzes them in great detail, and has a lot of insight. It runs through a lot of conspiracy theory lies, breaking down their idiocy and origins.

    The book also delineates behavior traits of radicals on left and right equally. An important point it makes as do other books on the subject is that radicalism is more about “style” than “content.” Which is why you see guys like Mark Hess III and Bill White flip from left to right or right to left, always extremist, no matter what.

    Another psychologist wrote in another book I have is that adherents of conspiracy theories could join any cause or movement…they could become neo-Nazis or Earth Firsters, whoever gets them. They’re sponges waiting to be filled with water.

    Also, a lot of radicalism is about extremely unimportant people trying to put importance into their lives…just look at the stuff they spout, about how they’re at the center of the great battle for freedom against an oppressive tyranny, and that tyranny is working night and day to ruin their lives. The exaggerated self-importance and narcissism covers their deep sense of unimportance and self-loathing.

    Interesting. Thanks!

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    donna February 24, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

    it’s now $5 MILLION

    as my father used to say, “you lie and i’ll swear to it”

    orly’s site: “Recent Examiner article on Obama’s coverup” (with a link to the examiner)

    examiner website (from orly’s link): Obama paid $5 million to seal his records (Photos)

    from their article: On Saturday, Dr. Orly Taitz – who has filed several birther lawsuits against Obama – posted on her website that the president has paid more than $5 million in legal fees to national law firm Perkins Coie to keep his personal, and possibly professional, records hidden from the public. The $5 million figure, which was previously thought to be less than $3 million, does not include fees paid to other parties and law firms acting on behalf of Obama.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-paid-over-5-million-to-law-firm-to-seal-his-records

    also included “Barry Soetoro”, “Bush released his college records (he didn’t)”, Wayne Allen Root (blah blah), trump,

    also a link to a pat dollard article regarding valerie jarrett and the muslim purchase of the us presidency

    http://patdollard.com/2012/09/obama-vetting-1979-newspaper-article-by-valerie-jarrett-father-in-law-reveals-start-of-arab-purchase-of-u-s-presidency/

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    Kiwiwriter February 24, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    donna:
    it’s now $5 MILLION

    as my father used to say, “you lie and i’ll swear to it”

    orly’s site: “Recent Examiner article on Obama’s coverup” (with a link to the examiner)

    examiner website (from orly’s link): Obama paid $5 million to seal his records (Photos)

    from their article: On Saturday, Dr. Orly Taitz – who has filed several birther lawsuits against Obama – posted on her website that the president has paid more than $5 million in legal fees to national law firm Perkins Coie to keep his personal, and possibly professional, records hidden from the public. The $5 million figure, which was previously thought to be less than $3 million, does not include fees paid to other parties and law firms acting on behalf of Obama.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-paid-over-5-million-to-law-firm-to-seal-his-records

    also included “Barry Soetoro”, “Bush released his college records (he didn’t)”, Wayne Allen Root(blah blah), trump,

    also a link to a pat dollard article regarding valerie jarrett and the muslim purchase of the us presidency

    http://patdollard.com/2012/09/obama-vetting-1979-newspaper-article-by-valerie-jarrett-father-in-law-reveals-start-of-arab-purchase-of-u-s-presidency/

    I guess it has to do with inflation and the rising cost of living.

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    aesthetocyst February 24, 2013 at 11:24 pm #

    donna: it’s now $5 MILLION

    Wow, from 2, to 4, back to 2, then up to 5. Is this tied to a stock price somewhere? Or some page on a wingnut site that generates a title: “Obama Paid $”;d6;”M to Seal Records!!!” ?

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    aesthetocyst February 24, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    I visited an elderly friend tonight. She was born here in Okieland, in 1935, and her birth certificate was filed a few days after her birth. (Yes, it came up in conversation, and she pulled out her only copy, issued n 1986, to show me.) She was born at home, delivered by a country doctor, who completed the pre-printed form by hand. A few things of interest, imagine the fun birfers would have with these:

    1. It was a preprinted form, completed entirely by hand, in ink. Yes, in sterotypical doctor’s scrawl.

    2. Field #6 was “Legitimate?” (answer: a handwritten, “yes”)

    3. The name field was completely blank! Her parents didn’t name her at the time of her birth. No one completed it before filing, apparently no one checked back, not surprising as her family live in rural country w/o electricity or phones.
    The certificate had been amended in 1952 to add her name, a change which was attested to by an affidavit from her mother and school records from her superintendent. Until the age of 17, my friend’s name was officially recorded as “Not stated”

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    ZixiOfIx February 25, 2013 at 4:13 am #

    donna: Anti-Gay Pastor Posts New ‘Proof’ Obama Is Homosexual

    Birthers go out of their way to be fooled if they like what they’re hearing.

    The guy quoted in the HuffPo story is Kevin DuJan, who runs a site called HillBuzz. He promised his followers that the Obamas were in the midst of buying a 35 million dollar estate in Hawaii, and that their home in Chicago was being readied to be sold. He even detailed how Mrs. Robinson, the First Lady’s mother, was telling all of her friends that she’s be moving to Hawaii with her daughter and son-in-law.

    All of this preparation was because (when the first article was written, last August), President Obama just knew that he was losing.

    Except, you know, for all the internal polls that President Obama had which indicated that he wasn’t losing.

    Seen here, with links to the other articles in DuJan’s “”series” right below the first one:
    http://hillbuzz.org/the-obamas-already-preparing-for-move-to-hawaii-in-january-2013-hyde-park-neighbors-talking-about-chicago-house-being-sold-soon-63935

    Bonus: A hilarious mock-up of Mrs. Robinson supposedly holding a picture of the house her son-in-law was supposed to be purchasing: http://hillbuzz.org/celebrate-empty-chair-day-in-barack-michelle-obamas-35-million-kailua-hawaii-mansion-being-purchased-for-them-by-penny-pritzker-and-wealthy-chicagoans-96516

    Birthers: crushed to bits on the rocks every time the beautiful siren (this time in the form of Kevin DuJan) sings.

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    Bovril February 25, 2013 at 7:47 am #

    Yep, ORYR is pimping the magially increasing numbers which come from looking at the FEC reports for disbursments for the Presidential campaign and adding up mostly Perkins Coie bills.

    Before it got zotted, some ebil Obot posted

    ====================================

    So, lets see, in (as an example September) a national presidential campaign spends $83,698,802.51 and its legal bill to one firm is under $290,000 and this is somehow some smoking gun for fraud.. So, one third of 1 percent of the months spend is…..what?

    Some folks need to get out in the fresh air and look at reality for a change.

    ====================================

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    Bovril February 25, 2013 at 9:17 am #

    So Lindy-poo filed a frivolous lawsuit, lost it and was told BEFORE filing her appeal that appealing would cost her some serious change.

    Then in a truly insane piece of Birfoon theatre, she then retains an ex judge with birther sympathies, is paying him, with zero expectation of a reduction in billed costs withe zero likelyhood of success.

    The BEST likely outcome for her now is simply the 13K in costs plus the ex-judges fee, a more likely result is INCREASED costs plus the ex-judges fees.

    And the Birthers wonder why we laugh at them……..

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    misha marinsky February 25, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    Kiwiwriter: a lot of radicalism is about extremely unimportant people trying to put importance into their lives…The exaggerated self-importance and narcissism covers their deep sense of unimportance and self-loathing.

    That is exactly what my mother – עליה השלום – used to say:

    “Forget about him. He has a miserable life.”

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    misha marinsky February 25, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    aesthetocyst: The name field was completely blank! Her parents didn’t name her at the time of her birth. No one completed it before filing, apparently no one checked back

    That’s common among Orthodox. Boys are not named until the bris, 8 days after birth. The BC would read “baby boy” for first name.

    My mother told me this story: The registrar came into her hospital room, and asked “What are you naming your son?”

    My mother replied, “After my father.”

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    Gabe February 25, 2013 at 3:35 pm #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEqh07E4dY

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    donna February 25, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    for those who didn’t know, michelle obama appeared at the end of the oscars last night to present the final award for best picture – she stepped out of the governors’ dinner to present the award and was beautifully attired in silver

    however, the religious police in iran didn’t like her gown … too much skin ….. and the rest didn’t like the portrayal of iran in “argos”

    SOOOOOO “Iran photoshops Michelle Obama’s ‘racy’ dress”

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4812453/iran-photoshops-michelle-obamas-racy-dress.html

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 25, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

    Taitz has filed an image from old Census records with the federal court in Mississippi: more of that Bounel stuff. Jack Ryan has ‘em over at Scribd.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 25, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    Taitz sends letter to Judge in Liberi v. Taitz case. The letter violates local rule 83-2.11. The rule says you can’t send letters to the judge.

    http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/documents/LRs-Effective-2012-December%201-Chapter-1-with-App-B.pdf

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/127251845/CDCA-ECF-608-2012-02-25-Liberi-v-Taitz-Notice-of-Filer-Deficiencies

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    donna February 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    doc

    taitz violates a rule? QUELLE SURPRISE

    perhaps she wants a “pen pal”

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    J.D. Sue February 26, 2013 at 12:15 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Taitz sends letter to Judge in Liberi v. Taitz case. The letter violates local rule 83-2.11.

    This is very basic ethically based rule applicable in every court. I guess Taitz is trying to rack up additional ethical violations before Judge Guilford rules on all her other ethical violations in his courtroom…. She is a relentless provocateur.

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    John Reilly February 26, 2013 at 1:00 am #

    Let me see if I have this right. There is a fellow named Harry Bounel, born in Russia around 1890, in the 1940 census. He lives in The Bronx. There are no other matches in Ancestry.Com which match to him. He is not in the Social Security Death Index.

    There is a name, Harrison Bounel, which shows up in electronic databases somehow connected to Pres. Obama’s social security number. That name may be that of a real person who is connected to the President accidentally. Or it may be the result of someone who filled out a credit application using “Harrison Bounel” and the President’s social security number. Or it may be some other confusion.

    And on that basis Mr. Astrue should be defaulted.

    This, apparently, makes sense to Dr. Taitz.

    One suspects that Judge Wingate will do another facepalm.

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    The Magic M February 26, 2013 at 4:36 am #

    donna: SOOOOOO “Iran photoshops Michelle Obama’s ‘racy’ dress”

    Which is still kinda classy compared to what the right-wing blogosphere wrote about her appearance. Go figure.

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    Lupin February 26, 2013 at 7:03 am #

    Gary Trudeau (DOONESBURY) mocks the Birthers:

    http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2013/02/26

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    gorefan February 26, 2013 at 9:11 am #

    John Reilly: There is a name, Harrison Bounel, which shows up in electronic databases somehow connected to Pres. Obama’s social security number.

    It did not show up until November, 2009.

    None of the other cracked detectives (Daniels, Sampson or Sankey) found the name in their searches.

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    donna February 26, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    according to ORYR: Sheriff Joe Now Investigating Obama Alias Harry Bounel: Obama Mama In WA In 1961

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 26, 2013 at 9:27 am #

    Just remember, Harrison J. Bounel is an anagram for Hula Born Joiners.

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    The Magic M February 26, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    donna: according to ORYR: Sheriff Joe Now Investigating Obama Alias Harry Bounel: Obama Mama In WA In 1961

    Obviously Maybe their “100% convincing evidence” will be “some public database sez SAD was in WA in 1961 so she can’t have given birth to Obama in Hawaii that year”. I’m not sure 24/7 surveillance was that tight in 1961…

    gorefan: It did not show up until November, 2009.

    None of the other cracked detectives (Daniels, Sampson or Sankey) found the name in their searches.

    Who cares in Birtherstan, where yesterday’s claims are always collectively “forgotten”. Or did Corsi ever explain how he reconciled “everybody has always known you need two citizen parents” with the fact he “forgot” to mention this important claim in his first anti-Obama book?

    Spacetime is seriously twisted in their world; things that show up one day have “always been there” (as in “we have always been at war with Eurasia”), just like they use their 2012 “discovery” of that promo flyer as justification for going birther back in 2008. (At least that’s the usual birther reply when I ask them why they never mistrusted Congress and states when other presidents were “vetted”.)

  50. avatar
    justlw February 26, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    Lupin:
    Gary Trudeau (DOONESBURY) mocks the Birthers:

    http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2013/02/26

    Appropriately, it’s a rerun.

  51. avatar
    gorefan February 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

    ORYR has another Mark Gillar video up about the pdf. It’s an old idea repackaged for a new time.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/02/reporter-proves-obama-birth-certificate-altered.html

  52. avatar
    justlw February 26, 2013 at 1:23 pm #

    Actually, two new ideas: the LFBC was not shown at the April 2011 presser and no cameras were allowed. These new ideas would both appear to be lies.

  53. avatar
    justlw February 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    The video is now private.

    If you didn’t get a chance to see it, its conclusion was that the high-res copies of the BC were made from the lower-res PDF because smudge marks.

  54. avatar
    gorefan February 26, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

    justlw: The video is now private

    Different video but with the the same stuff about the “smudge marks”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa-SHnBb220

    BTW, the shadow of his nose onto his upper lip creates the appearance that he has a Charlie Chaplin mustache – it is an interesting separated at birth.

  55. avatar
    bgansel9 February 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm #

    Is Orly admitting to inciting sedition?

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=395860

    “U.S. citizens are rising against the Obama regime. I believe in the near future they will start affectuating citizen’s arrests of all the corrupt governmental officials who are committing High Treason. Pictures courtesy “Before its news”

  56. avatar
    Thomas Brown February 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    justlw:
    The video is now private.

    If you didn’t get a chance to see it, its conclusion was that the high-res copies of the BC were made from the lower-res PDF because smudge marks.

    But why would anyone… I mean, what would be the point of… Who would believe that… If they could produce a high-res version, wouldn’t they have… You’d have to be an utter moron to… I can think of 100 better ways to… Why wouldn’t they have just…

    Never mind.

  57. avatar
    Dave B. February 26, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    Doc, I don’t know if you’ve come across this, but Charles Gordon’s 1968 article is now available online in a much more easily accessible format:

    Who Can Be President of the United States: the Unresolved Enigma

    http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2068&context=mlr

  58. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    Conservative writer David Brooks Writer Jonathan Chait uses “birther” as a generic term for those who deny facts, using the term “plan birthers” for those who deny that Obama has presented a deficit reduction plan.

    He wrote:

    Interestingly, when the administration released Obama’s birth certificate, it did not win over all the birthers, but at least managed to discourage some of them, and force the rest to devise more inventive conspiracies. But the release of the deficit plan certificate has not, as far as I can tell, even slightly fazed the Plan Birthers. Their certainty in the nonexistence of Obama’s deficit plan remains wholly unperturbed. – See more at: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/david-brooks-obama-plan-birther.html#sthash.Y7zOhHWj.dpuf

  59. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 26, 2013 at 8:54 pm #

    Thanks, Dave. I have updated the links on the site to use this better source.

    Dave B.: Doc, I don’t know if you’ve come across this, but Charles Gordon’s 1968 article is now available online in a much more easily accessible format:

    Who Can Be President of the United States: the Unresolved Enigma

  60. avatar
    JPotter February 26, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: “plan birthers” for those who deny that Obama has presented a deficit reduction plan.

    Most awesomely, said plan is available, in various forms and revisions, at the White House website as …. a PDF! The article links to a sort of flyer outline:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/deficit_reduction_table_bucketed_r8.pdf

    But there are multiple iterations from the OMB available. Here’s one:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2012/assets/jointcommitteereport.pdf

    Who could ever deny a PDF from the White House?

  61. avatar
    Dave February 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    The quoted article is not by Brooks, it’s about Brooks. The author is Jonathan Chait, and he is presenting Brooks as an example of a “plan birther.”

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Conservative writer David Brooks uses “birther” as a generic term for those who deny facts, using the term “plan birthers” for those who deny that Obama has presented a deficit reduction plan.

  62. avatar
    The Magic M February 27, 2013 at 4:23 am #

    bgansel9 (quoting Orly): I believe in the near future they will start affectuating citizen’s arrests

    Like this kangaroo court that has the RWNJ’s panties in a knot:
    http://itccs.org/

    Their “any day now” is April 4th…

  63. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 27, 2013 at 8:53 am #

    This article has been updated with the Madison quote from Federalist 62.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/09/the-framers-on-foreign-influence/

  64. avatar
    Scientist February 27, 2013 at 8:58 am #

    JPotter: Most awesomely, said plan is available, in various forms and revisions, at the White House website as …. a PDF! The article links to a sort of flyer outline:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/deficit_reduction_table_bucketed_r8.pdf

    But there are multiple iterations from the OMB available. Here’s one:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2012/assets/jointcommitteereport.pdf

    Who could ever deny a PDF from the White House?

    Brooks’ column from Monday admits that he erred in saying that the White House does not have a plan
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/opinion/brooks-our-second-adolescence.html?_r=0

    I give him kudos for admitting his mistake, something few pundits (and no birthers) ever do.

  65. avatar
    Paper February 27, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Thank you for adding that *context* to my thinking about the balance between indiscriminate acceptance and prudent use of our human resources. Prudence does not mean sleeping under the bed, I used to tell Ben.

    - James

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    This article has been updated with the Madison quote from Federalist 62.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/09/the-framers-on-foreign-influence/

  66. avatar
    bgansel9 February 27, 2013 at 10:26 am #

    The Magic M: Their “any day now” is April 4th…

    Interesting. While the movement Orly was referring to is talking about May 14th, last night I had a conversation with one of these crazies and he stated there is another movement that is going to do something on March 23. Some of us found information on a couple of websites discussing “Attacking Washington D.C.” on either March 22 or 23 (and apparently Obama is scheduled to be in Israel on the 22nd).

    Now you say April 4th. It appears that there are too many captains and not enough sailors here and they are not all on the same page. Leave the far right to create a hierarchy of authority and chaos is the result. These people couldn’t organize a sock drawer.

  67. avatar
    US Citizen February 27, 2013 at 10:38 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Just remember, Harrison J. Bounel is an anagram for Hula Born Joiners.

    Bounel = Barack Obama Unelected

    As for the $35 mil house in Hawaii, you can clearly see how tabloids like to exaggerate things:

    http://weeklyworldnews.com/politics/51125/obama-buys-40-million-estate-in-hawaii/

  68. avatar
    Arthur February 27, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

    A Michigan state senator flirts with birtherism:

    “Michigan GOPer Wonders Why More Time Wasn’t Spent Investigating Obama’s Birthplace” (audio and text)

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/tom_casperson_birther.php?ref=fpb

  69. avatar
    The Magic M February 27, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    bgansel9: It appears that there are too many captains and not enough sailors here and they are not all on the same page.

    Fortunately for sanity and reason. ;) The extremist right in Germany suffers from the same problem, every little leader has a saviour complex and wants to be the next Führer. Which has (with few exceptions) prevented them from getting into state parliaments – the leaders of the two largest ultra-right-wing parties (the NPD and the “Republicans”) could never agree which of them should cede the #1 position to the other in a joint venture.

  70. avatar
    The Magic M February 27, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    US Citizen: As for the $35 mil house in Hawaii, you can clearly see how tabloids like to exaggerate things

    … or pass a doctored photo off as real if it suits their propaganda.

  71. avatar
    JPotter February 27, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    Scientist: Brooks’ column from Monday admits that he erred in saying that the White House does not have a plan
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/opinion/brooks-our-second-adolescence.html?_r=0

    I give him kudos for admitting his mistake, something few pundits (and no birthers) ever do.

    I have never read his column (thanks for the link), but see him every Sunday. He seems levelheaded on TV, too reasonable to fall for the kneejerk “There is no plan! There is no plan!” auto-response wingers have been generating for years. (I think it used to be “there is no *realistic* plan!”—can go wrong with that—but at some point became dumber).

    I was commenting on the PDF at whitehouse.gov angle. Maybe the nuts are implying it’s a fraudulent plan? A forged plan? I mean, c’mon, it’s a PDF from the White House!

  72. avatar
    Guy Fawkes February 27, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

    bgansel9: Now you say April 4th. It appears that there are too many captains and not enough sailors here and they are not all on the same page. Leave the far right to create a hierarchy of authority and chaos is the result. These people couldn’t organize a sock drawer.

    How many false dates for D-Day did the Allies try to convince the Germans was the true date?

    Just sayin…

  73. avatar
    donna February 27, 2013 at 7:18 pm #

    Republican rep demands White House records after ‘fraudulent’ gun control tweets

    Bloggers first spotted the “spambot” trend and said they suspected something fishy because the senders had sent no other tweets, had no followers and followed nobody.

    A review of Stockman’s Twitter account by staffers and conservative bloggers showed at least 16 identical tweets.

    Of the 16 members of Congress who have received the tweets, nine are Democrats and seven are Republicans.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/26/republican-rep-wants-white-house-organizing-for-action-records-on-gun-control/#ixzz2M9H1tKTB

  74. avatar
    CrapBunch February 27, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

    The racist obots need to begin learning how to honor their oaths and pledges to ‘defend the constitution’ against all enemies foreign or domestic. Platitudes used by obots are more than sickening too have to read them on this racist blog.

    FORGED documents don’t count for a crime in the obot’s eyes, for certain.

    A most amazing phenomena is the obots’ pursuit of their agendas to prove that the White House ‘liar’ is a valid representative for America. The OBOTS don’t have a damned lick of proof that America has a valid white house representative, but continue with their charade to attempt to place legitimacy on that liar in the white house… called O’bullshit.

  75. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 27, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

    My first objection to this comment is that it was disrespectfully dumped on the discussion of another topic and is unrelated to that topic. We have an open threat for that, but our writer just barged in, perhaps blinded by hatred, and a pathological need to share it.

    My second objection is the misguided application of oaths and pledges. I pledge allegiance to the United States regularly, and I understand that by doing so, I promise to promote liberty and justice for all. An essential part of justice is truth, and an essential part of liberty is an informed electorate. Birthers, on the other hand, do everything in their power to put forward false claims about the President. The voters, however, saw through that attempt and elected Obama anyway.

    Only cranks think Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. It has been verified by real experts (not guys off the street) and certified by the State of Hawaii. Nobody with an ounce of common sense believes the President’s birth certificate is anything but an authentic and accurate copy of the original.

    As for calling this site “racist,” perhaps you are projecting.

    Just for deeply misinformed and deluded folks like you, I created the Debunker’s Guide to Obama Conspiracy Theories. Read it and weep.

    You really are pathetic, though.

    CrapBunch: The racist obots need to begin learning how to honor their oaths and pledges to ‘defend the constitution’ against all enemies foreign or domestic. Platitudes used by obots are more than sickening too have to read them on this racist blog.

    FORGED documents don’t count for a crime in the obot’s eyes, for certain.

    A most amazing phenomena is the obots’ pursuit of their agendas to prove that the White House ‘liar’ is a valid representative for America. The OBOTS don’t have a damned lick of proof that America has a valid white house representative, but continue with their charade to attempt to place legitimacy on that liar in the white house… called O’bullshit.

  76. avatar
    Balderdash February 27, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

    Obots are silly mental retards that are incapable of understanding how the world functions.

    UGH!

    [Moved to the open thread. UGH! Doc.]

  77. avatar
    JPotter February 27, 2013 at 11:04 pm #

    CrapBunch: obots need to begin learning how to honor their oaths and pledges to ‘defend the constitution’ against all enemies foreign or domestic.

    Hmmm …. Crapbunch* is implying that Obots are either naturalized or in the military. (The phrase appears in both the Oath of allegiance and the Oath of Enlistment). While I would happily take the oath—it would be an honor!—as a natural born citizen pinko commie socialist, I have never been graced with the opportunity to formally do so.

    What oaths do birfers take?

    ________________

    * What is the deal with the self-deprecatory handles birfers choose for themselves? “by denigrating myself I bring all others down?” An intriguing manifestation if their mental illness. Belief in the efficacy of altering reality through sympathetic magic—voodoo!

  78. avatar
    Dave February 28, 2013 at 9:16 am #

    Besides naturalization and military, all Federal employees take an oath to “support and defend” the Constitution. See this OPM article. This practice began around the Civil War, when it was apparent that there were substantial numbers of people in this country who wouldn’t “support and defend” it.

    So most Americans have never had cause to take that oath, but virtually all have taken the Pledge of Allegience about a zillion times. And I’d point out to our troll that honoring the pledge does not require us to accept birthers’ baseless allegations in place of obvious facts.

  79. avatar
    The Magic M February 28, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    JPotter: What is the deal with the self-deprecatory handles birfers choose for themselves?

    I suppose they don’t mean to apply that name to themselves but to use it as an additional insult to others.

    JPotter: What oaths do birfers take?

    I don’t think you’d understand North Korean. ;)

  80. avatar
    justlw February 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    As a California state employee, I had to swear loyalty to the state constitution.

    A part of a later job, I had to attest that I am “not now nor ever have been a member of the Communist party,” which struck me as an interesting throwback to the McCarthy era. Kind of like listening to Ted Cruz.

    I also had to say whether or not I had ever been “affiliated with any organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which advocates the overthrow of our constitutional form of government” (that’d be “no”).

    Unfortunately, a lot of birthers and one particular 2008 VP candidate would have some ‘splainin’ to do on that part of the form.

  81. avatar
    Shame on Liberals Shame February 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

    Looks like Dr. Ignorance doesn’t know what to write anymore about the illegal, unqualified skinny Kenyan negro as the phony racist president of US.

    I guess he’s running out of lies as so much truth is slamming ‘em.

    Ahh, so much for negro worship.

    Negroes don’t invent anything,
    Negroes don’t farm,
    Negroes live off of whites,
    Negroes are lazy,
    Negroes are racist,
    Negroes are not known to prosper any country,

    That kind of describes the skinny Kenyan who Dr. Ignorance just worships.

    [This comment is allowed to appear for the purpose of indicting the writer and those of his tribe. Doc.]

  82. avatar
    Arthur February 28, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

    So Dr. C. was slumming over at ORYR, and left this mildly-worded comment:

    “It would have been helpful if Orly Taitz had filed her notice of default, the lower court order, and her proof of service along with her motion for mandamus. Oh well.”

    How have birthers responded?

    Tom Thumb thumb said, “You have pancreatic cancer.”

    julio schwartz offered, “Harry Bounel has just announced that useful idiots getting furloughed at midnight, will qualify for retraining as envelope likkers.”

    ThomasThe Paine suggested, “The only good liberal is a dangling liberal!”

    And above, we have some shameful racism. Ah, birthers. If only their brains could be declared toxic waste sites, maybe the EPA could shut them down and clean things up.

  83. avatar
    Rickey February 28, 2013 at 9:23 pm #

    Dave:

    So most Americans have never had cause to take that oath, but virtually all have taken the Pledge of Allegience about a zillion times. And I’d point out to our troll that honoring the pledge does not require us to accept birthers’ baseless allegations in place of obvious facts.

    I took the military oath 46 years ago, but I never thought of it as a lifetime oath. Among other things, the oath required me to “obey the orders of the President of the United States,” but I’m pretty sure that I could safely decline if President Obama were to order me to a duty station.

    However, it would be amusing if Obama were to issue orders to Fitzpatrick and Kerchner, telling them to knock off the birther crap.

  84. avatar
    Daniel February 28, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

    Shame on Liberals Shame:
    Looks like Dr. Ignorance doesn’t know what to write anymore about the illegal, unqualified skinny Kenyan negro as the phony racist president of US.

    I guess he’s running out of lies as so much truth is slamming ‘em.

    Ahh, so much for negro worship.

    Negroes don’t invent anything,
    Negroes don’t farm,
    Negroes live off of whites,
    Negroes are lazy,
    Negroes are racist,
    Negroes are not known to prosper any country,

    That kind of describes the skinny Kenyan who Dr. Ignorance just worships.

    [This comment is allowed to appear for the purpose of indicting the writer and those of his tribe. Doc.]

    It’s people like you that almost convince me to become a liberal.

    Thankfully you’re not a conservative, close to a conservative, even remotely resembling anything that could possibly, in any sense of the word, be a conservative.

    I, and my fellow conservatives, will fight your slimy festering, racist, seditionist, anti-American, hatemongering ilk to the ends of the earth to protect my country and my Constitution from your vile hands.

  85. avatar
    Rickey February 28, 2013 at 9:52 pm #

    I was reading a story about the Bradley Manning case and noticed that the military judge who is presiding over the case is none other than Denise Lind, who presided over Terry Lakin’s court martial.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/28/17132690-judge-accepts-bradley-mannings-guilty-pleas-on-10-lesser-charges-trial-on-12-others-set-for-june?lite&

  86. avatar
    justlw February 28, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    Daniel: Thankfully you’re not a conservative, close to a conservative, even remotely resembling anything that could possibly, in any sense of the word, be a conservative.

    I think this is an important point. People like SoLS shouldn’t be mapped on a “left to right” line; they’re on a Z axis of mental illness.

  87. avatar
    ZixiOfIx February 28, 2013 at 11:15 pm #

    When I read this petulant, sad dreck, I see a person who is worried sick that the era of white privilege is ending, knowing that they probably can’t make it on their own two feet.

    I see a person who is so bound up in hatred and fear, that they are forced to head for the internet to spew garbage anonymously, knowing they’d never repeat their hateful rhetoric to any black person or to most white people face-to-face.

    People like this, regardless of what they want to call themselves, have no interest in open markets or limited governmental interference. They’re not conservative. People like this need a protected market and a closed society if they want to have any hope of success.

    People like this are scared, and they know that their best days are probably behind them due to the fact that the next generation doesn’t care much about race, and will base their decisions on the competence of individuals.

    I’d like to ask everyone who read this person’s post to pity them, and to try to forgive them for behaving like an out-of-control, untrained child.

    Pray for them if you’re so inclined. Reality dictates that their lack of talent and brains means that they need all the help they can possibly get.

    Shame on Liberals Shame: Looks like Dr. Ignorance doesn’t know what to write anymore about the illegal, unqualified skinny Kenyan negro as the phony racist president of US.

    I guess he’s running out of lies as so much truth is slamming ‘em.

    Ahh, so much for negro worship.

    Negroes don’t invent anything,
    Negroes don’t farm,
    Negroes live off of whites,
    Negroes are lazy,
    Negroes are racist,
    Negroes are not known to prosper any country,

    That kind of describes the skinny Kenyan who Dr. Ignorance just worships.

    [This comment is allowed to appear for the purpose of indicting the writer and those of his tribe. Doc.]

  88. avatar
    misha marinsky March 1, 2013 at 1:06 am #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: That kind of describes the skinny Kenyan who Dr. Ignorance just worships.

    Including this New York Jewish liberal, who voted twice for Obama. Eat your heart out.

  89. avatar
    misha marinsky March 1, 2013 at 1:09 am #

    justlw: they’re on a Z axis of mental illness

    Lithium or Thorazine?

  90. avatar
    John Reilly March 1, 2013 at 1:15 am #

    Mr. Shame is a disgrace to the human race. Had he been in the service, he would have met many fine African-Americans upon whom his life depended. My eye was saved by an African American opthalmic surgeon at Ramstein. No bedside manner, but I can see, and that’s what counts. (And, for the record, I was pulled from my plane by a Hispanic from Chicago whose parents are illegals.) We are all God’s children.

  91. avatar
    G March 1, 2013 at 1:57 am #

    Let’s hope so…

    ZixiOfIx: People like this are scared, and they know that their best days are probably behind them due to the fact that the next generation doesn’t care much about race, and will base their decisions on the competence of individuals.

  92. avatar
    misha marinsky March 1, 2013 at 2:25 am #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: Looks like Dr. Ignorance doesn’t know what to write anymore about the illegal, unqualified skinny Kenyan negro as the phony racist president of US.

    Listen bubbe, you forgot to take your medicine.

  93. avatar
    The Magic M March 1, 2013 at 5:30 am #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: skinny Kenyan

    Can anyone explain what the nutjobs are about with the “skinny” attribute? It must have some special meaning, otherwise they’d also include “short-haired” or “brown-eyed”, or leave it out altogether. A racist dog-whistle I don’t get?

  94. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund March 1, 2013 at 8:25 am #

    I think the skinny is in there to reinforce the “starving African” stereotype, but that’s little more than a guess.

  95. avatar
    Majority Will March 1, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    The Magic M: Can anyone explain what the nutjobs are about with the “skinny” attribute? It must have some special meaning, otherwise they’d also include “short-haired” or “brown-eyed”, or leave it out altogether. A racist dog-whistle I don’t get?

    Maybe only fat, American white people are supposed to be superior.

  96. avatar
    MN-Skeptic March 1, 2013 at 9:23 am #

    Majority Will: Maybe only fat, American white people are supposed to be superior.

    Make that American white MEN and I bet you have the poster’s true feelings. How much do you want to bet that the poster would despise reporting to a woman at work?

  97. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 1, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    W. Kevin Vicklund: I think the skinny is in there to reinforce the “starving African” stereotype, but that’s little more than a guess.

    I know they used the term a lot in the movie Black Hawk Down. It seemed to refer to the militia of an impoverished nation in this case Somalia.

  98. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 1, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    Shame on Liberals Shame: blah blah blah I’m a racist pos

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_inventors_and_scientists

  99. avatar
    Majority Will March 1, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    MN-Skeptic: Make that American white MEN and I bet you have the poster’s true feelings. How much do you want to bet that the poster would despise reporting to a woman at work?

    Straight, fat, American white men with lots of guns and secret obsessions.

  100. avatar
    Arthur March 1, 2013 at 9:50 am #

    Looks like Obama’s thugs are trying to “Breitbart” Sheriff Joe, but luckily, he got away with only a broken arm!

    “Joe Arpaio’s office released a pair of videos Thursday night that showed the injured Arizona sheriff resting in a hospital bed and responding to a series of questions from a woman off camera.”

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/injured-arpaio-releases-videos-from-hospital-bed?ref=fpb

    I hope john gets to work on this!

  101. avatar
    Dave March 1, 2013 at 9:50 am #

    The racist post above about “Negroes don’t invent anything” and so forth is a sort of bigot mantra that appears in off-topic comments all over the web.

    Forums at places like Stormfront and Vanguard News Network have threads proving these statements to themselves. They use the same logic as birthers — take the statement as true, then adjust reality to fit.

    Seems the base idea is that, at the time the slave trade started around 1600, Africans hadn’t invented much. I find it interesting to ponder, as of 1600 what had white people invented. Not too much.

  102. avatar
    Majority Will March 1, 2013 at 10:57 am #

    Here’s a comment from a birther on another website:

    “No one here can say for sure, as a proven fact, that Obama was born when and where he states. This should not be allowed to happen again. All presidential candidates should be vetted only as far as their constitutional qualifications are concerned.

    This sort of thing could easily spark a civil war in the future, when the remedy would be to check before the election.

    We should also re-establish the original American birthright to U.S. citizen as that being a person born in one of the united states of two-citizen parents. This will allow more time for aliens to become ‘Americanized’ before running for the presidency.”

    Americanized.

  103. avatar
    Majority Will March 1, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    Here’s a funny thought from another commenter:

    “What we need is to allow the entire US population to fly to Hawaii and file through the room containing the actual document – you know, kinda like Lenin’s tomb.”

  104. avatar
    justlw March 1, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    Majority Will:
    Here’s a comment from a birther on another website:

    “We should also re-establish the original American birthright to U.S. citizen as that being a person born in one of the united states of two-citizen parents. This will allow more time for aliens to become ‘Americanized’ before running for the presidency.”

    Americanized.

    Of all the many things I might say about Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio, I’m not the slightest bit worried that either of them will sell us out to the Canucks or Cubans.

    (Oh, and: How does forbidding someone from ever, ever doing something “allow them more time”? I guess it’s a Lamarckian thing.)

  105. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 1, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Comment I left at ORYR:

    Whatever one might say about Orly Taitz, one must admit that she is a very inexperienced lawyer, and an inexperienced lawyer is simply not able to take on state governments, the US Attorney, and political parties who have highly-trained and experienced attorneys.

    She continues to have basic problems with the rules in the courts where she litigates. My advice to her, and I have given it to her directly, is to hire an experienced lawyer. It is certainly in no one’s interest for her to file 20 lawsuits, only to have them dismissed for errors in law, errors in service and failing to follow court rules. I think that in all of her lawsuits, only one was actually adjudicated on the merits (Farrar v. Obama in Georgia) and even then her evidence was largely ignored because she failed to qualify her witnesses (plus the Superior court said that even that case should have been dismissed). She is just wasting her own time and the courts’ time by trying to do things she doesn’t know how to do.

  106. avatar
    justlw March 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    I’m no birther, but this causes me to reevaluate everything I have ever thought I knew about Obama.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/01/nerds-erupt-obama-mixes-star-trek-and-star-wars-in-jedi-mind-meld-metaphor/

  107. avatar
    Kiwiwriter March 1, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Comment I left at ORYR:Whatever one might say about Orly Taitz, one must admit that she is a very inexperienced lawyer, and an inexperienced lawyer is simply not able to take on state governments, the US Attorney, and political parties who have highly-trained and experienced attorneys.She continues to have basic problems with the rules in the courts where she litigates. My advice to her, and I have given it to her directly, is to hire an experienced lawyer. It is certainly in no one’s interest for her to file 20 lawsuits, only to have them dismissed for errors in law, errors in service and failing to follow court rules. I think that in all of her lawsuits, only one was actually adjudicated on the merits (Farrar v. Obama in Georgia) and even then her evidence was largely ignored because she failed to qualify her witnesses (plus the Superior court said that even that case should have been dismissed). She is just wasting her own time and the courts’ time by trying to do things she doesn’t know how to do.

    How did Orly react to your suggestion that she hire an experienced lawyer? Just curious.

    And for that jerk earlier with the racist drivel…blacks didn’t invent anything? I can hardly wait until his life is saved by a traffic light….

  108. avatar
    Majority Will March 1, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

    Kiwiwriter: And for that jerk earlier with the racist drivel…blacks didn’t invent anything? I can hardly wait until his life is saved by a traffic light….

    Or needs a blood bank, gas mask, dust pan, comb, mop, brush, clothes dryer, refrigerator, lawn mower . . .

  109. avatar
    justlw March 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

    justlw:
    I’m no birther, but this causes me to reevaluate everything I have ever thought I knew about Obama.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/01/nerds-erupt-obama-mixes-star-trek-and-star-wars-in-jedi-mind-meld-metaphor/

    The White House has now responded to this — with style:

    http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/03/01/obama-jedi-mind-meld-gaffe-sparks-white-house-pushback/

  110. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    I posted it on her blog, and she never approved the comment.

    Kiwiwriter: How did Orly react to your suggestion that she hire an experienced lawyer? Just curious.

  111. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 1, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

    I took it to be a troll, rather than a real racist, but Poe’s law…

    Dave: The racist post above about “Negroes don’t invent anything” and so forth is a sort of bigot mantra that appears in off-topic comments all over the web.

  112. avatar
    Dave March 1, 2013 at 9:28 pm #

    Thing is, an experienced lawyer would tell her that there is no case to be made here. And she isn’t going to listen to that.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    My advice to her, and I have given it to her directly, is to hire an experienced lawyer.

  113. avatar
    Rickey March 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    The Magic M: Can anyone explain what the nutjobs are about with the “skinny” attribute? It must have some special meaning, otherwise they’d also include “short-haired” or “brown-eyed”, or leave it out altogether. A racist dog-whistle I don’t get?

    It may have to do with birther claims that Obama is gay. There is a stereotype about skinny men being gay.

  114. avatar
    aesthetocyst March 1, 2013 at 11:05 pm #

    Rickey: It may have to do with birther claims that Obama is gay. There is a stereotype about skinny men being gay.

    Or a weakling. Can we get Freddie Blassie to give us a round of “Pencil-Necked Geek”?

  115. avatar
    aarrgghh March 1, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    aesthetocyst: Or a weakling. Can we get Freddie Blassie to give us a round of “Pencil-Necked Geek”?

    or a coke/speed/meth addict. or a vegetarian.

    birfers will denigrate any and all of the usurper’s attributes, physical and mental, typical or atypical, just as a matter of course, because his having the attributes he has is what makes those attributes bad.

  116. avatar
    Northland10 March 2, 2013 at 9:47 am #

    W. Kevin Vicklund:
    I think the skinny is in there to reinforce the “starving African” stereotype, but that’s little more than a guess.

    For quite a while, I was a skinny guy. I grew out of that phase.

  117. avatar
    G March 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    I loved the WH response… hilarious!

    justlw: The White House has now responded to this — with style:

    http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/03/01/obama-jedi-mind-meld-gaffe-sparks-white-house-pushback/

  118. avatar
    Kiwiwriter March 2, 2013 at 5:22 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I posted it on her blog, and she never approved the comment.

    That figures.

    She knows best…..

  119. avatar
    Kiwiwriter March 2, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    Dave:
    Thing is, an experienced lawyer would tell her that there is no case to be made here. And she isn’t going to listen to that.

    I guess so…hell, David Irving and Tom Metzger both acted as their own lawyers. Look how they did.

  120. avatar
    donna March 2, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    last night, pursuant to law, obama signed the sequestration order

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/whiteboard/2013/3/The_president_s_sequestration_order.html?hp=l1_b2

    cantor admitted that he, ryan and mccarthy were responsible for the sequester

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/02/eric-cantor-the-sequester-and-the-death-of-the-grand-bargain.html#ixzz2MF8d6tY1

    shouldn’t orly’s next amendment of the amendment, etc be to rescind sequestration?

  121. avatar
    Paper March 2, 2013 at 10:05 pm #

    An article about how the tone of comments affect perceptions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/opinion/sunday/this-story-stinks.html?hp

  122. avatar
    donna March 3, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    taitz: Is that a threat? Press release re International law forum

    letter from taitz to Mr. Arshack

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/press-release-re-International-criminal-forum_00013.jpg

  123. avatar
    Keith March 3, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    donna:
    taitz: Is that a threat? Press release re International law forum

    letter from taitz to Mr. Arshack

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/press-release-re-International-criminal-forum_00013.jpg

    The “Royal Mountain Police”?

    Has Orly never never attended any kind of convention anywhere? A paid audience member is not the same as a presentation provider or a panel member. It isn’t an evidence gathering event… its an excuse to network and get drunk for crying out loud.

    She’s not just a bad dentist and lawyer and real estate salesperson, she’s a really, really, stupid person.

    I suspect her letter to Mr. Arshack almost killed him… with laughter.

  124. avatar
    donna March 3, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

    Keith: I suspect her letter to Mr. Arshack almost killed him… with laughter.

    i suspect you are correct

    perhaps he agreed with her suggestion that she take her “evidence” to “national forum for proctology” – in the end, that’s the “end” where it belongs – i don’t think the “international forum for door nob design in timbuktu” is the correct venue -

  125. avatar
    Daniel March 4, 2013 at 12:38 am #

    donna:
    taitz: Is that a threat? Press release re International law forum

    letter from taitz to Mr. Arshack

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/press-release-re-International-criminal-forum_00013.jpg

    She says she’s going to contact the Royal Mountain Police. Victoria.

    What a putz. She can’t even get the name of one of the most famous police forces in the world right.

  126. avatar
    misha marinsky March 4, 2013 at 12:41 am #

    Keith: The “Royal Mountain Police”?

    It gets better: “You can also see attached a letter I sent recently to the President of Israel with all the aforementioned information.”

    The President of Israel is a ceremonial position. He’s basically a toastmaster. It’s a sinecure, given as patronage.

    Orly might as well have said, ‘I’ll hit you with my purse.’

  127. avatar
    roadburner March 4, 2013 at 5:27 am #

    misha marinsky: It gets better: “You can also see attached a letter I sent recently to the President of Israel with all the aforementioned information.”The President of Israel is a ceremonial position. He’s basically a toastmaster. It’s a sinecure, given as patronage.Orly might as well have said, ‘I’ll hit you with my purse.’

    it would appear that oily knows as much about the israeli political system as the birfoons do about the u.s. political system

  128. avatar
    The Magic M March 4, 2013 at 6:27 am #

    Does the Bible prove Vattelists wrong?

    Leviticus 18:26: “… The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things

    So the Bible clearly says you can either be native-born or a foreigner (why would the Bible allow “doing any of these detestable things” to people born of two citizen parents?).

    Now come on, birthers, say the Bible isn’t authoritative on natural (= God-given) law but Vattel is. ;)

    [Disclaimer: I think the Bible is a book of fiction, but I'm applying this argument anyway.]

  129. avatar
    Keith March 4, 2013 at 7:15 am #

    The Magic M: [Disclaimer: I think the Bible is a book of fiction, but I'm applying this argument anyway.]

    I understand the Bible as a book of mythology, not fiction. Two different things altogether.

    But that is another discussion altogether.

  130. avatar
    misha marinsky March 4, 2013 at 9:03 am #

    The Magic M[Disclaimer: I think the Bible is a book of fiction, but I'm applying this argument anyway.]

    Keith: I understand the Bible as a book of mythology, not fiction…But that is another discussion altogether.

    OT: The bible, or Scriptures, is allegory like Greek mythology. Call it Jewish mythology.

  131. avatar
    JPotter March 4, 2013 at 9:26 am #

    donna: taitz: Is that a threat? Press release re International law forum

    That was a “press release”? Or a letter? Who does Orly send her press releases to, or does she just post them on her blog and expect the press to find them?

    She can’t even consistently spell her target’s name. Or Timbuktu …. or Tomboctou. Or grace us with a line break between ’s.

  132. avatar
    The Magic M March 4, 2013 at 9:55 am #

    JPotter: Who does Orly send her press releases to, or does she just post them on her blog and expect the press to find them?

    I think she just believes it sounds better to call some of her ramblings “press release”.

    In this case, she is probably trying to jump on the “threatened journalist” bandwagon in the desperate hope that some conservative media will be so negligent as to include her in their growing list of “threatened journalists” and thus give her some additional publicity.

    As usual, a desperate attempt to latch onto every faint possibility of getting the birther message out. (Like her attempts to attract the attention of every politician or journalist who ever said something critical about Obama, as if this made it any more likely said person would be willing to go full-tilt birther.)

  133. avatar
    donna March 4, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    as birtherism is winding down (?) taitz seems to be beginning other professions: foreign & domestic policy expert

    “pity” she can’t run for president

    taitz:

    All the recovery reports are bogus. Europe and US are in deep depression and joblessness. You cannot recover, when you send all the manufacturing jobs to slave labor in China and do away with all tariffs on slave labor imports

    Egyptians are in the streets protesting Obama-Kerry-Morsi- Muslim Brotherhood axis of Evil, spineless Americans are sitting at home scared!

    Egyptian Protesters Accuse Kerry of Muslim Brotherhood Membership

  134. avatar
    justlw March 4, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

    Today’s TwitFeed(TM) brings us more breathless reportage from ORYR:

    “BREAKING: Acxiom Database Pull Shows Obama Also Used The Name Barack Soetoro”

    Al Hendershot has been sifting through skiptrace reports, and found a record for Barack Soetoro (“not Barry”!) at Columbia University! The smoking gun: this record was “altered” on 2/2010, so clearly someone has recently been trying to cover something up!

    Now, my Obot excuse machine immediately goes into high gear. I’m thinking, “Is there possibly some other reason why this record did not exist prior to 2010?” (The database screenshot shows this as “date reported,” not “date altered.”)

    Also of interest is the address: “2960 Broadway.” Not an address previously known to be associated with Obama. And in fact, what is at this address is the Miller Theatre at the Columbia U School of the Arts.

    All in all, more great birther detectivatin’.

  135. avatar
    donna March 4, 2013 at 6:41 pm #

    for those who were wondering (or cared)

    Sheriff Arpaio’s Mike Zullo reveals new plan over eligibility investigation

    On January sixth of this year, Zullo held a conference with members of the Arizona chapter of the Tea Party and others but did not hold a nationally televised event. He assured patriots and Tea Party citizens that efforts are still ongoing and that a Plan B is underway. In this particular plan, key national figures in the private and governing sectors of society will raise their concerns and voice their opinions that the President has violated the Constitution and has been allowed by Congress to continue in office because either the leaders on Capitol Hill have ignored the evidence at hand or have simply not acted as they should with the body of evidence to pursue due process and impeach a sitting President.

    Undeniable charges

    Their allegations may also be presented such as naming President Obama as a defendant, who has committed forgery of a federal document, falsified his identification, and has assumed office of the Presidency under false pretense. There are many other charges that this would involve such as treason for endangering national security, being an accessory in the murder of American federal employees overseas, the violation of national security through his unauthorized knowledge of secret intelligence releases, waging a foreign war without Congressional approval and more. Few can truly appreciate the extent of law breaking under this present oval executive, who has arrogantly flaunted the law and continued his assault upon the US Constitution and American society.

    and as loud as they scream, the media ignores them – QUELLE DOMMAGE

    http://www.politisite.com/2013/03/04/sheriff-arpaios-mike-zullo-reveals-new-plan-over-eligibility-investigation/#.UTUwqhk6yrg

  136. avatar
    justlw March 4, 2013 at 7:47 pm #

    donna: Sheriff Arpaio’s Mike Zullo reveals new plan over eligibility investigation

    I am enjoying the heck out of “Doc Vega”‘s way with a pen:

    “Regardless of whether or not the US mainstream media has blacked out coverage of the ongoing investigation is superfluous.”

    “Another event blacked out by maistream news media” [Might that be because, as you say in the next sentence, Zullo didn't inform or invite the press?]

    “He assured patriots and Tea Party citizens…” [You're saying these are disjoint sets, then?]

    “…this oval executive…” [What an egghead!]

    “…who has arrogantly flaunted the law…” ["Check out this here law! Eat your heart out, non-law-having people!"]

    “this is a sad reality of what America has descended into under a soft coup de tat” [A craftily knitted plot stitched together out of whole cloth with much embroidery, probably by Muslins]

  137. avatar
    donna March 4, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

    justlw:

    can you imagine REAL law enforcement holding conferences with groups (of xxxx) and divulging their plans?

    they and prosecutors say this is an ongoing investigation and no further information will be released at this time

    everything is “alleged”

  138. avatar
    Dave B. March 4, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

    We could all learn a thing or two from Doc Vega. That last sentence of the first paragraph is a thing of beauty. I like this one, too:
    “When Sheriff Arpaio gave his first national press conference in 2011 on the results of his then, 6 month old investigation, he was met with pure skepticism and questions involving his credibility rather than any intrigue over what President Obama himself might have done to raise doubts over his questionable conduct.” Apparently that one has been entirely blacked out by the “maistream media”, too. Who knew he was so on the ball, investigating the birth certificate image before it even existed?
    Is this the same Doc Vega, “small businessman, former single parent, writer, and UFO investigator”?
    http://www.nowpublic.com/doc-vega
    Here’s his blog:
    http://www.docvega.com/home.htm

    justlw: I am enjoying the heck out of “Doc Vega”‘s way with a pen:

  139. avatar
    Dave B. March 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    This “Doc Vega” has kind of piqued my interest. For only $55.94 on Amazon, you can enjoy 736 pages of his way with a pen:
    http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Dark-Doc-Vega/dp/1414011288/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362446118&sr=1-2
    You can get it cheaper from the Doc himself, but why would anybody want to do that? The only thing better would’ve been if he’d made a docx e-book out of it!
    And you can read an excerpt on his website!
    http://www.docvega.com/demon.htm
    !!!

    justlw: I am enjoying the heck out of “Doc Vega”‘s way with a pen:

  140. avatar
    donna March 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    taitz received an email from arpaio begging for money:

    Why is Arpaio acting like a panhandler instead of filing a criminal complaint against Obama? Tell him “Not a cent for you in donations until you file a criminal complaint against Obama for fraud and use of forged IDs in your jurisdiction”

    I got this e-mail from Sheriff Arpaio. It further asked for a donation. I feel that a sheriff, who is getting a high salary and benefits and 3,000 employees working for him in his sheriffs department, should not be asking for donations, but should be doing his job and filing criminal charges. He has all the evidence against Obama, he needs to file a criminal complaint immediately. Same goes for all the politicians, congressmen, senators, conservative organizations. Please, tell them “Not a cent for you until you file a criminal complaint against Obama”

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=398774

    IMAGINE a birther requesting donations – especially one (taitz) who loaned her own ca campaign $280,000

  141. avatar
    Keith March 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm #

    misha marinsky:
    OT: The bible, or Scriptures, is allegory like Greek mythology. Call it Jewish mythology.

    Some argue that the New Testament is Egyptian mythology, but if you read Joseph Campbell, he argues that it is quite literally universal.

  142. avatar
    justlw March 4, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

    Dave B.: That last sentence of the first paragraph is a thing of beauty.

    Yes, I was admiring that, too! Translated from the original German, possibly?

    Dave B.: And you can read an excerpt on his website!
    http://www.docvega.com/demon.htm

    [jaw dropped]

    Was he intentionally channeling the detective scenes in Plan Nine?

  143. avatar
    Dave B. March 4, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    Hard to say. On his Facebook page (which, interestingly enough, comes up under doc.vega.9– coincidence?!), he describes himself as “A misunderstood and undiscovered author who given a chance would do better than some and no worse than other prominent published writers.” I can’t find anything not to love about that. He says he “Studied subtle absurdity for the soul at University of Wisdomless Aging.” He gives his education specifics as “School of Paranoid Introspection
    Class of 2015″, and “University of Wisdomless Aging
    Class of 2000 Determination of Objective Reality Free of leftist contamination subtle absurdity for the soul Cynical Observation insincerity a means to an end”. So who knows? Seven hundred and thirty-six pages of subtle absurdity would require a pretty serious commitment.
    Here’s a pearl of his about Orly and the Supremes:
    http://www.politisite.com/2013/02/14/orly-taitz-demonstrates-why-president-should-be-impeached-in-front-of-supreme-court/#.UTVP_TephFs
    from which I quote:
    “Alan Keyes may well have been President of the United States in 2009 had candidate Barack Obama been rightfully denied candidacy for the Democratic Party.”
    I kid you not. He really said that. I’m just a little too not smart enough to find the subtlety in that absurdity.

    justlw: Was he intentionally channeling the detective scenes in Plan Nine?

  144. avatar
    The Magic M March 5, 2013 at 8:44 am #

    Dave B.: He really said that. I’m just a little too not smart enough to find the subtlety in that absurdity.

    Obviously a corollary from “all blacks will vote for the black candidate”.

    If you want to see real madness, look at the likes of Cody Judy who claimed that if he successfully had Obama’s election victory voided, he would (have to) be crowned President by the House (because Romney “had already conceded his loss” and therefore “can no longer be selected”).

  145. avatar
    The Magic M March 5, 2013 at 8:49 am #

    justlw: Yes, I was admiring that, too! Translated from the original German, possibly?

    Because of “coup de tat”? ;)

  146. avatar
    justlw March 5, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    The Magic M: Because of “coup de tat”? ;)

    For the particular sentence Dave was referring to, it was its length. I was going to include it in my original list of excerpts, but I was concerned it would overwhelm the thread.

    (I was considering changing my screen name to “Coup de Tat” with an avatar consisting of the words, “What would MADAME DEFARGE do?” I’d have done it, if I had the Algerian font on my computer.)

    …Oh, what the heck, here’s the sentence in question, just to spare anyone the pain of looking it up:

    Just because the White House can and does manipulate the press corps into saying and doing anything they demand does not mean that Mike Zullo and his investigative staff have not continued pursuing probably one of the most important investigations in the history of the United States in their race against time to not only convict the President for his unlawful concealment of identity and background, but the damage his policies are presently inflicting upon the nation.

  147. avatar
    Keith March 5, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    The Magic M: Because of “coup de tat”?

    Is that a segment of a forest of tattoos?

  148. avatar
    The Magic M March 6, 2013 at 4:02 am #

    justlw: For the particular sentence Dave was referring to, it was its length.

    You should read the English tests I wrote in school. 2000+ words in a 5 hour test (though my girlfriend at the time used to beat me with 2400 words but she never got the regular A+ I got), and some of my sentences were as contrived as the one you quoted. Then again, German is my first language… ;)

  149. avatar
    donna March 6, 2013 at 10:09 am #

    i can hardly wait …..

    from orly:

    Congressional meetings 03.05.2013 re ObamaForgeryGate. 14 Congressmen, among them 12 members of the Judiciary committee received subpoenas. Report will be provided tomorrow

  150. avatar
    Rickey March 6, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Chris Strunk was given some additional time to perfect the appeal on his sanctions. His brief now has to be filed and served by Friday.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/128884438/Strunk-Sanctions-Appeal-2013-02-22-Order-Enlarging-Time-to-Perfect-Appeal

    We should have a pool on how brief his brief will be.

  151. avatar
    Greenfinches March 6, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    The Magic M: German is my first language

    don’t remind me of verbs like that, a horrible jolt from my schooldays long past…..my dvd player does, ‘as tis German, but I am used to its lies like ‘kein disc wird angelegen’…. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrgh.

  152. avatar
    donna March 6, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

    The Magic M: German is my first language

    i can’t account for their accuracy, but i found accounts of people with birth certificate & passport problems who were born in germany on military bases

    http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/deportation-removal-issues/58319-birth-certificate-insufficient-us-passport.html

  153. avatar
    donna March 6, 2013 at 5:53 pm #

    apparently we won’t be treated to “Orly Taitz serves subpoenas to Congress on Obama’s eligibility”

    the video, Uploaded by AdamKokesh, “has been removed by the user.”

  154. avatar
    G March 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

    Is Strunk even capable of being brief in anything he does? A bigger question is if he can manage to send in a reply that doesn’t invoke blaming a Jesuit conspiracy…

    Rickey: We should have a pool on how brief his brief will be.

  155. avatar
    Sef March 6, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

    donna:
    apparently we won’t be treated to “Orly Taitz serves subpoenas to Congress on Obama’s eligibility”

    the video, Uploaded by AdamKokesh, “has been removed by the user.”

    It’s back https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZWW5BzOtk9c

  156. avatar
    donna March 6, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    Sef:

    thanks for that

    taitz: 14 U.S. Congressman and House Judiciary committee were served with subpoenas with attached Urgent Demand for Verification to be provided within 2 weeks by March 19th. If they do not comply, they are in contempt of court.

    after a long blah blah

    You are requested to fill out the questioner below and clarify whether you were aware of the facts and evidence provided with the complaint and that you authorized Wagner and Olsen to oppose the TRO.

    followed by 16 questions

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=399457

  157. avatar
    misha marinsky March 7, 2013 at 12:57 am #

    I am trying to imagine a white president forced to show his papers at a national news conference, and coming up blank. I am trying to a imagine a prominent white Harvard professor arrested for breaking into his own home, and coming up with nothing. I am trying to see Sean Penn or Nicolas Cage being frisked at an upscale deli, and I find myself laughing in the dark.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-racist-people.html

  158. avatar
    The Magic M March 7, 2013 at 4:15 am #

    donna: You are requested to fill out

    As a lawyer, Orly should know a subpoena is not a “do whatever I say” blank checque.

  159. avatar
    The Magic M March 7, 2013 at 7:04 am #

    Greenfinches: my dvd player does, ‘as tis German, but I am used to its lies like ‘kein disc wird angelegen’

    You have a German DVD player? We Germans all have Japanese ones. ;) And those don’t lie.

    “Keine Disk eingelegt” = “no disc inserted”, maybe yours is hard-wired to the wrong regional code. ;)

  160. avatar
    Northland10 March 7, 2013 at 9:16 am #

    The Magic M: As a lawyer, Orly should know a subpoena is not a “do whatever I say” blank checque.

    What a normal lawyer considers legal documents and filings are “look at me!!!” documents for Orly. That creates new rules for usage.

  161. avatar
    Lupin March 7, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    The racism of the American right-wing has just gone off the meter:

    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/black-socialist-pope-to-follow-black-socialist-president/

    What appalls me the most is not that they THINK it, it’s that they can SAY it publicly without being buried under a heap of abuse from your media.

  162. avatar
    Rickey March 7, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    donna:
    Sef:

    thanks for that

    taitz: 14 U.S. Congressman and House Judiciary committee were served with subpoenas with attached Urgent Demand for Verification to be provided within 2 weeks by March 19th. If they do not comply, they are in contempt of court.

    after a long blah blah

    You are requested to fill out the questioner below and clarify whether you were aware of the facts and evidence provided with the complaint and that you authorized Wagner and Olsen to oppose the TRO.

    followed by 16 questions

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=399457

    I hope she gets slapped down for abuse of process. She can serve a subpoena calling for the production of existing records or documents, but she can’t require someone to create a new record (not to mention that the Grinols case is not in discovery). .

    This is all part of her legal fantasy that the individual members of Congress are defendants in the Grinols case. According to Orly’s “logic,” if she were to sue the United States of America the Solicitor General would have to get the permission of every U.S. citizen before filing a response.

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    Northland10 March 7, 2013 at 1:17 pm #

    Lupin:
    The racism of the American right-wing has just gone off the meter:

    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/black-socialist-pope-to-follow-black-socialist-president/

    What appalls me the most is not that they THINK it, it’s that they can SAY it publicly without being buried under a heap of abuse from your media.

    Nice dog whistle in the title. The article was strictly about a potential “socialist” pope who dares to remember that Jesus had a heavy social justice thing yet the author had to make a big deal about his race.

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    Paper March 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    Well, he could have said graying pope to follow graying president…but he didn’t want to make anyone feel old or anything…

    Northland10: Nice dog whistle in the title.The article was strictly about a potential “socialist” pope who dares to remember that Jesus had a heavy social justice thing yet the author had to make a big deal about his race.

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    J.D. Sue March 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    Rickey: This is all part of her legal fantasy that the individual members of Congress are defendants in the Grinols case. According to Orly’s “logic,” if she were to sue the United States of America the Solicitor General would have to get the permission of every U.S. citizen before filing a response.

    This is one of my “favorite” Orly mind twists. First, she fails to name the congressional members as parties, yet she somehow insists they are defendants. Second, she fails to serve them with complaint/summons, yet complains that the U.S. Attorney has failed to consult with them. Third, while insisting that the U.S. Attorney is representing them, she nonetheless contacts these purported represented parties directly (not through counsel). Fourth, she directly sends them an improper “Demand for Verification” (which is just a very poorly crafted “Request to Admit”), demanding they waive attorney-client privilege, admit to all her “facts”, and admit to all her legal conclusions–without objection. Fifth, having failed to receive responses to her demand for verification, she now serves them again via subpoena, as if admissions can be subpoenaed. Sixth, she declares they will be in contempt of court if they fail to comply with (or if they object to) her demands–as if contempt of Orly is the same as contempt of court. Seventh, she actually files all this horrendously improper crap with the court. It hurts my brain just to try to follow her twists and turns….

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    justlw March 7, 2013 at 5:22 pm #

    misha marinsky:
    I am trying to imagine a white president forced to show his papers at a national news conference, and coming up blank. I am trying to a imagine a prominent white Harvard professor arrested for breaking into his own home, and coming up with nothing. I am trying to see Sean Penn or Nicolas Cage being frisked at an upscale deli, and I find myself laughing in the dark.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-racist-people.html

    Hadn’t you heard? Racism is no longer an issue, because we have a black president.

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    justlw March 7, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    On the lighter side of the news, James O’Keefe has agreed to pay 100,000 smackerdoodles to one of the people he got fired at ACORN. Doesn’t seem like enough, but it’s something.

    I despair that anything similar would be visited on the likes of, oh, say Corsi or Gillar, since Obama is a public figure, and in any event it would be difficult to prove that anything of significance has actually happened because of what they’ve done.

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    G March 8, 2013 at 2:44 am #

    It is certainly a step in the right direction…

    Good to see some justice done to that little hack skeezball…

    justlw: On the lighter side of the news, James O’Keefe has agreed to pay 100,000 smackerdoodles to one of the people he got fired at ACORN. Doesn’t seem like enough, but it’s something.

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