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Birther radio host Gillar reneges on debate

I mentioned previously an article, “’Birtherism’ and the tyranny of ignorance,” at the Western Free Press site, where I had left a few comments. The discussion there has grown, attracting “Tea Party Power Hour” Internet Radio host, and Cold Case Posse video narrator Mark Gillar, and anti-birther HistorianDude.

Gillar challenged HistorianDude to debate him on his radio show but now, after HistorianDude accepted, has backed out. You can read some of the exchange where HistorianDude says:

Mark Gillar has now formally backed out of this debate, which had been scheduled for taping on April 5, for an April 6th broadcast. I formally accepted the debate offer, but once Mike Zullo of the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse got wind of the debate he asked Gillar to rescind the invitation and cancel the debate.

The excuse for turning tail and running from the debate is that Gillar presumably knows something about the ongoing “investigation” of the Cold Case Posse, and so is somehow muzzled from engaging in debates, lest he spill the beans, or perhaps lose because he can’t use all he knows. This excuse is essentially the same one given by John Sampson for refusing a subpoena from Orly Taitz last year. Love those magic phrases, “person of interest” and “ongoing investigation,” smoke screens to hide behind.

This would all be funny if it weren’t so pathetic. The truth is that Gillar would be reduced to a smoldering heap in a debate that tried to excuse the misconduct of the Cold Case Posse. Mike Zullo and the Cold Case Posse has been caught lying and fabricating evidence. If there is any justice in the world, they are the ones who should be investigated.

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151 Responses to Birther radio host Gillar reneges on debate

  1. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG March 29, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    Birthers are such pussies.

  2. avatar
    US Citizen March 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    These guys drawers are probably filled with items from Victoria’s Secret.
    All they like to do is tease.

  3. avatar
    Thomas Brown March 29, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    B’ck… brrruck… buck… b’KAAAAAWK!
    –Mark Gillar, quoting Scott Erlandson

  4. avatar
    gorefan March 29, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Birthers are such pussies.

    Maricopa Cold Cuts Pussies?

    This may have to do with the recent visit to CPAC by Zullo. How would it look if the VIPs he talked to were sent a copy of the Gillar/HD debate. So much for his open and shut case.

  5. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 29, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

    Sounds about right. Gillar blocked me from commenting on his videos after I made a fool of him. I’m also blocked from commenting on his show page on Blog Talk Radio. Birthers are nothing but cowards. I bet Zullo caught wind and then asked Corsi to which Corsi said don’t do it.

  6. avatar
    Crustacean March 29, 2013 at 6:44 pm #

    US Citizen: These guys drawers are probably filled with items from Victoria’s Secret.
    All they like to do is tease.

    Well, Sheriff Joe did once say, “I can get elected on pink underwear. I’ve done it five times.”

    What sweet justice it would be if Arpaio, Zullo, and the rest of those posses were ever jailed for their misuse funds and Lord knows what else – and then were paraded for the cameras in their jail-issued pink underwear…

  7. avatar
    arrrogantlyignorant March 29, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

    Not surprising that he’d chicken out like that.
    A week ago he replied to one of my comments on YouTube on this video:

    http://youtu.be/alVzyfptF80

    TeaPartyPowerHour wrote:

    “If you ever want to debate the issue. you can try me on for size. As the person who produced all of the evidence videos shown that day I can’t help but notice you don’t know the first thing about the facts of the case”

    I told him “any time, any place”.
    He never replied.

  8. avatar
    Thinker March 29, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

    I don’t think Gillar is a chicken. I think he’s a moron. I think he buys into the Lt. Zullo, Boy Detective character that Zullo the Clown has fabricated and he thinks he’s assisting a legitimate law enforcement investigation of a serious issue. Gillar does what Zullo wants him to do, and Zullo does what Corsi wants him to do.

  9. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 29, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    arrrogantlyignorant:
    Not surprising that he’d chicken out like that.
    A week ago he replied to one of my comments on YouTube on this video:

    http://youtu.be/alVzyfptF80

    TeaPartyPowerHour wrote:

    “If you ever want to debate the issue. you can try me on for size. As the person who produced all of the evidence videos shown that day I can’t help but notice you don’t know the first thing about the facts of the case”

    I told him “any time, any place”.
    He never replied.

    You can still post there? He blocked me from posting lol. I’m the one who started the whole censorship rampage he went on with his videos

  10. avatar
    arrrogantlyignorant March 29, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

    It wasn’t on his channel. I’m sure he’s blocked me by now. Hehe

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: You can still post there?He blocked me from posting lol.I’m the one who started the whole censorship rampage he went on with his videos

  11. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 29, 2013 at 9:13 pm #

    Thinker: Lt. Zullo

    Lieutenant??? Is Zullo presenting himself as a Lieutenant now?

  12. avatar
    misha marinsky March 29, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

    Thinker: I don’t think Gillar is a chicken. I think he’s a moron.

    He and his ilk are rabble rousers – especially Ann Coulter.

  13. avatar
    JPotter March 29, 2013 at 9:39 pm #

    Whaaaaaaaat?

    Gillar ran from a debate? Back in 2011 he was trying to calling out anyone and everyone to appear on his ‘show’. No credentials needed, just a failure to realize the truthiness of the birf. He even begged me to stoop so low LOL.

  14. avatar
    alg March 29, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

    Ahhh…Mike Zullo resurfaces thanks to the miracle of YouTube. After re-watching the video of the “press conference,” I am left wondering what should we expect from a used car salesman anyway?

  15. avatar
    RoadScholar March 29, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

    “If I Only Had the Nerve”
    –as sung by Cowardly Lyin’ Mark Gillar
    (with apologies to Harold Arlen & Yip Harburg)

    Life is sad, life is tragic
    When all your conning magic
    Has gone around the curve

    Still I wouldn’t be a zero
    I could be a Birther Hero
    If I only had the nerve…

    It would be like playin’ tennis
    Opponents I would menace
    Returning every serve

    I’d debate Frank Arduini
    Maybe not be such a weenie
    If I only had the nerve

    It came as a surprise
    That someone called my bluff
    And now it seems I’m really not so tough
    I’m in a snit
    I’m in a huff…

    All my gumption I would muster
    To back up all my bluster
    And never fall or swerve

    But instead I’ll be cryin’
    I’m a coward, not a lion
    And I haven’t got the nerve…

    O the President, I’d reason
    Committed Fraud and Treason
    And claim that he’s a perv

    I could prove I’m no phony
    I could really sell baloney
    But I haven’t got the nerve

  16. avatar
    Thinker March 30, 2013 at 1:09 am #

    Carl Gallups has repeatedly called him Lieutenant Zullo and, AFAIK, Zullo has never corrected him.

    CarlOrcas: Lieutenant??? Is Zullo presenting himself as a Lieutenant now?

  17. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 1:57 am #

    Thinker:
    Carl Gallups has repeatedly called him Lieutenant Zullo and, AFAIK, Zullo has never corrected him.

    Amazing!

  18. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

    How does this HistorianDude know Lt. Zullo personally asked Gillar not to debate him?

  19. avatar
    BatGuano March 30, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    Serpico:
    How does this HistorianDude know Lt. Zullo personally asked Gillar not to debate him?

    a good question. can you think of other scenarios of why gillar would cowardly retreat?

  20. avatar
    slash2k March 30, 2013 at 2:08 pm #

    Serpico: How does this HistorianDude know Lt. Zullo personally asked Gillar not to debate him?

    HistorianDude (AKA Epectitus) posted the series of emails at the Fogbow; “I mentioned the debate to the CCP and was told that I should refrain from all forms of debate …

    Sincerely,
    Mark Gillar”

    Read ’em for yourself.

    (Who else besides Zullo even works for the CCP these days? Anybody?)

  21. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    BatGuano: a good question. can you think of other scenarios of why gillar would cowardly retreat?

    I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained. So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward. Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

  22. avatar
    slash2k March 30, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    “going to start having meetings with VIPs”?!?

    whoop-de-do. If Zullo has evidence of criminal misconduct, the people he needs to be showing it to are **prosecutors** (you know, the people who can actually bring criminal charges). Funnily enough, he’s not showing it to prosecutors; what do you conclude from that?

    I conclude he’s got nothing, and any prosecutor who knows his head from a hole in the ground recognizes that Zullo’s got nothing, so Zullo and the CCP need to find people who don’t know or don’t care about what constitutes legal evidence.

  23. avatar
    Thinker March 30, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    The number one rule of successful secret-keeping is don’t repeat the secret to anyone. No serious law enforcement investigation shares information with non-law enforcement people unless and until they want the information to become public. That Mark Gillar is apparently in the loop of the alleged law enforcement investigation is prima facie evidence that this whole investigation is a sham.

    If they want to keep information private, why is Mike Zullo, Boy Detective receiving rhetorical blowjobs from teabagger radio hosts? Shouldn’t he have his lips sealed as well? Don’t his interviews have the potential to compromise the integrity of the investigation? Or is it only Mark Gillar whose impulse control is in question?

    Serpico: I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained. So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward.Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

  24. avatar
    aarrgghh March 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    i hear zullo’s still waiting for permission from his mom.

  25. avatar
    Northland10 March 30, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    Serpico: I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained. So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward.Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

    Any Day Now.

    You’re quite the gullible one.

  26. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    Serpico: I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained. So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward.Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

    Serpico,

    You are being played like a cheap violin. Have you donated money to the “Cold Case Posse”? I wouldn’t be surprised if you have.

    Zullo is a con artist. He has no police powers. There is no “case”…..proceeding or otherwise. He’s only a Lieutenant in his own vivid imagination.

    If it were otherwise he wouldn’t be “having meetings with VIPS from around the country” but rather with real, live prosecutors who could do something in the real world with the “case”.

    Wake up!

  27. avatar
    US Citizen March 30, 2013 at 3:08 pm #

    RoadScholar: “If I Only Had the Nerve”
    –as sung by Cowardly Lyin’ Mark Gillar
    (with apologies to Harold Arlen & Yip Harburg)

    I hear that song is going to be covered by B. Barry Bamz and the Soeteros (featuring Shabazz!)

  28. avatar
    BatGuano March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    Serpico: So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate.

    i concur with thinker. gillar is a blog radio talk show host and not eligible to be a part of the MCCCP, why would a serious investigation share confidential information with him?

  29. avatar
    hermitian March 30, 2013 at 3:45 pm #

    What law precludes law enforcement from lying? Maybe I missed something.

  30. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    It’s one of the Ten Commandments. Ask Judge Roy Moore.

    hermitian: What law precludes law enforcement from lying? Maybe I missed something.

  31. avatar
    donna March 30, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    BatGuano:

    serious investigation? serious investigators turn their results over to prosecutors who say “this is an on going investigation” and who don’t reveal anything until they charge someone with a crime

    serious investigators don’t continuously hold press conferences with “any day now”

    serious investigations use court qualified forensic experts

    there is nothing serious about this investigation nor the investigators

  32. avatar
    nbc March 30, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

    Serpico:
    How does this HistorianDude know Lt. Zullo personally asked Gillar not to debate him?

    Educated guess.

  33. avatar
    nbc March 30, 2013 at 4:39 pm #

    Serpico: So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward.

    Right… They are still talking… But nobody is listening to their nonsensical ‘investigation’.

    Gillar realizes that his arguments cannot stand up to scrutiny.

  34. avatar
    nbc March 30, 2013 at 4:40 pm #

    CarlOrcas: If it were otherwise he wouldn’t be “having meetings with VIPS from around the country” but rather with real, live prosecutors who could do something in the real world with the “case”.

    Eggzactly… But some people are just a little gullible, or desperate I guess.

  35. avatar
    HistorianDude March 30, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

    Serpico:
    How does this HistorianDude know Lt. Zullo personally asked Gillar not to debate him?

    Gillar told me in an e-mail.

  36. avatar
    richCares March 30, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

    has anyone noticed that sheriff Joe is not involved in clown zullo’s madness
    Lt. Zullo, the Lone Ranger shouts hi ho silver as he heads for big tent

  37. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    BatGuano: i concur with thinker. gillar is a blog radio talk show host and not eligible to be a part of the MCCCP, why would a serious investigation share confidential information with him?

    Your dog can be “part of the MCCCP”. It has no authority. It can’t investigate the time of day

  38. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 5:22 pm #

    HistorianDude: Gillar told me in an e-mail.

    Out of curiosity: Who told you Zullo is a “Lieutenant”…..and of what?

  39. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

    nbc: Eggzactly… But some people are just a little gullible, or desperate I guess.

    Third option: Stupid.

  40. avatar
    Northland10 March 30, 2013 at 5:27 pm #

    Serpico: Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

    A sure sign the Serpico reads very little before spouting off.

  41. avatar
    Rickey March 30, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    Serpico: I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained. So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward.Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

    That’s the same B.S. which Zullo was spouting at CPAC. He met with unidentified “VIPs” and discussed undisclosed “evidence” which will be released “when the time is right” and the anonymous VIPs promised that there would be a call to action at some undefined point in the future.

    Running a successful scam is a piece of cake when the marks are gullible birthers.

    It’s been more than a year since Arpaio’s first birther press conference. What are they waiting for? 2017?

  42. avatar
    Bob March 30, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

    The only arrow The Birthers ever had in their quiver is that their smear will “go viral” and even that has been an empty threat.

  43. avatar
    Rickey March 30, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Out of curiosity: Who told you Zullo is a “Lieutenant”…..and of what?

    This might provide a hint.

    http://img1.etsystatic.com/005/0/6878737/il_570xN.361464857_4ylv.jpg

  44. avatar
    bgansel9 March 30, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

    Sounds to me like Zullo has loose lips. That seems to be about all he has. The Cold Case Posse has yet to produce anything of value.

  45. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

    Northland10: A sure sign the Serpico reads very little before spouting off.

    Reads very little and understands even less.

  46. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 30, 2013 at 7:19 pm #

    I felt it was important to edit your comment to indicate where the O’Reilly quote ended. A glance told that the bulk of it was written Sven Magnussen who used to post here a lot as he developed that crank immigration theory.

    You did not attribute the actual author of the text, nor indicate that you had permission to publish it here. I will give the proper attribution, and say to Sven that if he feels that his rights have been violated, I will quickly delete the comment.

    I take a dim view of folks copying other peoples material, and misrepresenting sources. You have been warned.

    Serpico: You people need to read this. It is very compelling:

    Obama Naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983

    RE: Bill O’Reilly, Fox News, on The O’Reilly Factor editorializes on the need for President Obama to disclose the U.S. Government assistance he has received as he rose to power to become the Commander in Chief of the United States of America and President of the United States.

  47. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 7:20 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Reads very little and understands even less.

    Oh I understand everything. Have a look at this. I accidently posted this in the comment section of another article. This is from a email I received from a person who has been in contact with a cold case posse member. He stated that Zullo and the posse members are now looking into this. He said that this could be the explanation why Obama has a Connecticut ss#

    Obama Naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983

    RE: Bill O’Reilly, Fox News, on The O’Reilly Factor editorializes on the need for President Obama to disclose the U.S. Government assistance he has received as he rose to power to become the Commander in Chief of the United States of America and President of the United States.

    In a blog post and on his Fox News television show, The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly said:

    But President Obama himself has a very compelling story to tell. His father abandoned him. He was raised primarily by his maternal grandparents in Hawaii. He had few resources. Yet, Barack Obama rose up to become the most powerful man in the world, a stunning achievement. How much the system helped Mr. Obama is unknown, as his college records have been kept private. We don’t know the extent of affirmative action. We don’t know how much the government subsidized his climb to the top. It would be very helpful to have that information simply to be fair to the President and his vision.

    [The following is not part of the O’Reilly quote. It somes from Sven Magnussen. Doc]

    In truth, Obama’s background is more than compelling. It’s a tragedy. In 1971, Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, arrived at Hawaii International Airport as an unaccompanied minor with Indonesian Nationality. Minors with foreign nationality are not whisked through customs with a hope and a prayer by customs officers the child will not become a victim of child trafficking. Unaccompanied minors with foreign nationality arriving at any port of entry in the U.S. are taken into protective custody and held until a child welfare hearing is held to determine what is in the best interest of the child.

    We know from Obama’s vital statistics, published and archived by the Hawaii Department of Health, he was born in Honolulu, HI on August 4, 1961 as the son of Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham. The Soetoro adoption was finalized in Hawaii after Lolo and Stanley Ann were wed. Obama’s original long form birth certificate was sealed and archived after a Court order to seal it. A Certificate of Live Birth for Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, was created and filed as part of the finalized adoption order.

    In 1968, Secretary of State Dean Rusk issued Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama II, a Certificate of Loss of Nationality so Barry Soetoro could naturalize as an Indonesian National. Obama’s mother had attested on her U.S. Passport renewal she intended to stay in Indonesia indefinately (sic). In 1971, Barry Soetoro was taken into protective custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. His legal custody was transferred to Catholic Social Services of Connecticut while his grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, was appointed his legal guardian.

    Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was under contract the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to provide child welfare services for minors with foreign nationality in 1971. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is discharged with the duty of administering the Federal Foster Care program. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut and Lutheran Social Services were the only contractors with DHHS in 1971. Obama entered the Federal Foster Care program in 1971 and was not discharged from the child welfare program for foreign nationals until he reached the age of majority, 18 years-old, August 4, 1979.

    Shortly after Obama arrived in Hawaii and was taken into Federal Foster Care, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro and Barack Hussein Obama Sr. returned to Hawaii to appear at a child custody hearing. It was at this hearing Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro testified Barry Soetoro, a/k/a/ Barack Hussein Obama II, was not the son Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Barack Hussein Obama Sr. had returned to Hawaii at the request of the U.S. State Department to testify he was the birth father of Barack Hussein Obama II, he was not informed nor did he consent to the Soetoro adoption, and he sought to have the Soetoro adoption annulled to have his parental rights restored.

    The Court ruled the Soetoro adoption was annulled, the Barry Soetoro Certificate of Live Birth was sealed and archived and a new Certificate of Live Birth was to be filed by the Hawaii Department of Health with Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as the paternal parent of Barack Hussein Obama II. Furthermore, the Court remanded the custody of Barack Hussein Obama II to Catholic Social Services of Connecticut with Madelyn Payne Dunham to remain as his guardian. The Court ordered the original long form birth certificate to remain sealed and archived because Obama’s mother had testified in Court she lied in 1961 when she stated Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was not the birth father. The Court was not moved by her testimony and Ordered the original to remained sealed.

    Catholic Social Services of Connecticut, under contract with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, was the sole financial supporter of Barack Hussein Obama II for the next eight years. Although Obama’s legal name had been changed to Barack Hussein Obama II when the Soetoro adoption was annulled, his Indonesian nationality remained intact. Obama was living in the U.S. as a Permanent Resident Alien, green card holder, until 1983. In 1983, Obama naturalized as a U.S. citizen. As a naturalized U.S. citizen, Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States.

  48. avatar
    richCares March 30, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    Wow serpico, that was great, rally fantastic. if you believe all that then I have a neat bridge I can sell you.
    .
    do you realize what you have self Identified into, are you that dumb or just got off your meds?

  49. avatar
    Sam the Centipede March 30, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

    Or, Serpico, what you write could be a complete fairy tale produced by a claque of right-wing racist seditionists.

    Which it is.

    Shame on you.

  50. avatar
    Thinker March 30, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

    Serpico: You post as Cold Case Posse Supporter at freeperville, don’t you? I see you’ve been hounding Sven about some documentation of his Obama fantasy for awhile. Recall when you posted this a few days ago: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2999448/posts?q=1&;page=251

    “Will you sign a affidavit stating the detailed facts of your personal knowledge of knowing Obama naturalized in 1983 and turn that over to Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse lead investigator Lt. Mike Zullo?

    I, Lt. Zullo and the other 7 Maricopa County Sheriff Department Cold Case Posse investigators deserve a answer. Will you give a simple yes or no to the above question Sven. Your credibility is at hand here. “I, Lt. Zullo and the other 7 Maricopa County Sheriff Department Cold Case Posse investigators deserve a answer. Will you give a simple yes or no to the above question Sven. Your credibility is at hand here.”

    So, has he signed an affidavit, because that would change everything. An affidavit changes a lie into the truth. It changes opinions to facts. This could really, truly be the end for President Obama. : )

    Serpico: Oh I understand everything. Have a look at this. I accidently posted this in the comment section of another article. This is from a email I received from a person who has been in contact with a cold case posse member. He stated that Zullo and the posse members are now looking into this. He said that this could be the explanation why Obama has a Connecticut ss# [snip Sven’s fantasy]

  51. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

    Serpico: Oh I understand everything. Have a look at this.

    Oh, my. What a bunch of nonsense.

    First, what is your source for the whole thing? I only find a small part of it in an O’Reilly commentary from a couple weeks ago:

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2013/03/19/bill-oreilly-america-still-land-opportunity#ixzz2O34pzNKp

    The rest of it is just unsourced, unverified…..and unverifiable….. gibberish.

  52. avatar
    Deborah March 30, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

    Chicken Little and “The Sky is Falling.” (Disclaimer- I am not responsible for the meaningless Biblical quote at the beginning of he video.

    http://youtu.be/LYgOFqpRIlA

  53. avatar
    aarrgghh March 30, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    if serpico knew how to use google, he’d have figured out his man inside the posse [eyeroll] was feeding him cut-n-paste fairy tales that sven (aka “dick whitman”) posted on doc’s place three years ago.

    maybe it’s time zullo got moving on that hot tip.

  54. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 30, 2013 at 8:04 pm #

    I guess this is a new way to repackage old discredited birther nonsense as investigative leads to the volunteer cold case posse.

    aarrgghh: if serpico knew how to use google, he’d have figured out his man inside the posse [eyeroll] was feeding him cut-n-paste fairy tales that sven (aka “dick whitman”) posted on doc’s place three years ago.

  55. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    Thinker:
    Serpico: You post as Cold Case Posse Supporter at freeperville, don’t you?

    No. I am not a member of Free Republic, but I do have a old acquaintance that has been posting there for years. He is the one who sent me the email.

  56. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    aarrgghh:
    if serpico knew how to use google, he’d have figured out his man inside the posse [eyeroll] was feeding him cut-n-paste fairy tales that sven (aka “dick whitman”) posted on doc’s place three years ago.

    maybe it’s time zullo got moving on that hot tip.

    I found some of it attributed to “Sven” but it quickly became obvious I didn’t have enough time left on this earth (or active brain cells) to delve into very far.

    So….do I understand that “Serpico” claims to have a “source” inside the “Cold Case Posse”? As near as anyone can figure out the Cold Case Posse is a just a figment of Zullo’s imagintion. No one has ever been able to find any member……other than Zullo, who incorporated it in 2006.The other two incorporators are pretty much invisible.

  57. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

    Serpico: No. I am not a member of Free Republic, but I do have a old acquaintancethat has been posting there for years. He is the one who sent me the email.

    So…..let me get this straight: A friend of yours who you say has a source inside the posse sent you what you posted here, is that it?

    Did anything about it strike you as strange? Like why would a real investigation be letting that kind of information out? That the information was painfully imprecise?

    Did you take any time to check it out yourself and determine where it came from? That it was a compilation?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

  58. avatar
    Thinker March 30, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    My bad. Here’s what made me think you were the same people.

    You posted this comment here a couple of weeks ago: “So why did Obama feel compelled to state that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment?” http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/03/missouri-proposes-anti-birther-bill/#comment-255036

    Cold Case Posse Supporter posted this comment on freep the very same day. “Hmmm. Why did Obama feel compelled to state that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment?” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2995161/posts

    However, a google search of that phrase shows that it has been posted several times since 2011, so perhaps it is not original to either of you.

    Serpico: No. I am not a member of Free Republic, but I do have a old acquaintancethat has been posting there for years. He is the one who sent me the email.

  59. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

    Thinker: However, a google search of that phrase shows that it has been posted several times since 2011, so perhaps it is not original to either of you.

    At this point I’m beginning to think there is nothing original forthcoming from any birther.

  60. avatar
    RoadScholar March 30, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    They could apologize for spreading lies. They certainly haven’t done THAT yet.

  61. avatar
    aarrgghh March 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm #

    here’s sven posting under his freeper id “svenmagnussen”:

    “Unfortunately for S.A.D. Obama-Soetoro, her marriages ended in divorce after she committed to being an Indonesian National. It’s a shame Indonesia doesn’t allow dual citizenship. I’m sure her Certificate of Loss of Nationality on file with the U.S. State Department hung heavy on her heart.”

    also too:

    “We follow Orly because she is a leader. Temperate, yet determined to succeed in spite of our human indiscretions and flaws.”

    [snicker]

  62. avatar
    Woodrowfan March 30, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    “they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country”

    VIPS=Various Imaginary People..

  63. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    CarlOrcas: So…..let me get this straight: A friend of yours who you say has a source inside the posse sent you what you posted here, is that it?

    Did anything about it strike you as strange? Like why would a real investigation be letting that kind of information out? That the information was painfully imprecise?

    Did you take any time to check it out yourself and determine where it came from? That it was a compilation?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    No. How it went down is that the acquaintance I know (he lives in Phoenix} sent a cold case member (not Zullo) what I posted here. He forwarded what he sent to him to me. He responded that Zullo would look into it. That is all I know what is going on. I thought I would post the bloggers claim here to see what any of you would have to say about it. I didn’t know the guy (Sven) who claims that Obama was somehow put into a Catholic Social Services of Connecticut and naturalized in 83 was a member here and had posted it before.

  64. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm #

    Rickey: This might provide a hint.

    http://img1.etsystatic.com/005/0/6878737/il_570xN.361464857_4ylv.jpg

    Actually I think those folks have standards.

  65. avatar
    HistorianDude March 30, 2013 at 10:16 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Out of curiosity: Who told you Zullo is a “Lieutenant”…..and of what?

    Gallups and Gillar call him that. It might be on his plastic posse badge too. It’s a posse. He can be High Lord Executioner for all we know.

  66. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

    Serpico: No. How it went down is that the acquaintance I know (he lives in Phoenix} sent a cold case member (not Zullo) what I posted here. He forwarded what he sent to him to me. He responded that Zullo would look into it. That is all I know what is going on. I thought I would post the bloggers claim here to see what any of you would have to say about it. I didn’t know the guy (Sven) who claims that Obama was somehow put into a Catholic Social Services of Connecticut andnaturalized in 83 was a member here and had posted it before.

    You “acquaintance” is, or isn’t, a member of the Cold Case Posse?

    If he/she isn’t how do you know he/she is really communicating with a member of the posse?

    You do understand, don’t you, that the posse and its members have absolutely no law enforcement authority in Arizona?

  67. avatar
    misha marinsky March 30, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    HistorianDude: He can be High Lord Executioner for all we know.

    Please, Gilbert and Sullivan was faaar more sophisticated, and had a plot.

    Shuriff Joe’s clown posse doesn’t even rise to the level of the Keystone Kops.

  68. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    HistorianDude: Gallups and Gillar call him that. It might be on his plastic posse badge too. It’s a posse. He can be High Lord Executioner for all we know.

    Actually he, and all the posse members, have real badges and real ID cards that look almost like those carried by certified peace officers. Very scary.

    Let’s hope Arpaio doesn’t see your message: He would like the High Lord Executioner idea too much.

  69. avatar
    misha marinsky March 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm #

    Serpico: How it went down is that the acquaintance I know (he lives in Phoenix} sent a cold case member (not Zullo) what I posted here. He forwarded what he sent to him to me. He responded that Zullo would look into it.

    My building’s freight elevator operator, told the doorman who told me, that he gets $800 a week in tips. I’ll post the video if I can find it.

  70. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

    CarlOrcas: You “acquaintance” is, or isn’t, a member of the Cold Case Posse?

    He is not a member of the cold case posse?

  71. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

    misha marinsky: I’ll post the video if I can find it.

    Okay, you do that.

  72. avatar
    misha marinsky March 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

    Serpico: He is not a member of the cold case posse?

    We are asking you.

  73. avatar
    misha marinsky March 30, 2013 at 10:35 pm #

    Serpico: Okay, you do that.

    Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHXIlXsCxT8

  74. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 30, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

    Serpico: I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained. So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward.Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

    Used Car Salesman Zullo holds no rank and is not a LT unless LT means lying turd. What case? There is no case they aren’t bringing this before any prosecutor. Lol he’s taking the traveling circus on the road?

  75. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 30, 2013 at 10:49 pm #

    You wouldn’t be expected to know this site’s ancient history. Sven’s fantasies never, to my remembrance, reached the status of deserving an article, but were debunked in comments, insofar one can debunk another person’s imaginary friend.

    Sven never had the slightest evidence for any of the ideas he tried out on us in his voluminous commenting. He was sort of our “crazy uncle.”

    Here are some of his aliases:

    Dan Draper
    Det. Cliff Hanger
    Dick Whitman
    Dr. David Goliath
    Sven Magnussen
    BadAssMoFoTooOld4Arguendo
    Bob’sNewFriend
    CousinBill
    CousinEsther
    DrunkenObot(s)
    FlameThrower Extraordinaire
    FTE
    Hormone Stallone
    IcanChangeMyScreenName?
    IcanChangeMyScreenNameCousinBill
    InfloriousBuzzard
    IngloriousBasterd
    IngloriousBasturd
    IngloriousBusterd
    IngloriousBuzzard
    IngloriusBasterd
    kerok
    LikeDaTerminatorDaStoryWon’tDie
    MarvelousMarvAlbert
    MuhommadMcLovin
    MysteryMessiahTheatre
    Not Enough Hugs as a Child
    ObotsRCruel
    ObotsREvil
    Pretty in Pink
    Resign_Soebarkah_Resign
    Second to the Last Samurai
    SixToeMoe
    Ima Obot
    SwampMop
    IheArtObots
    Dick Whitman II
    PennsylvaniaAvenue
    Walter White

    He was mentioned in a couple of articles for his commenting, not for his theories:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/08/top-commenters/
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/04/sock-puppets/

    Serpico: . I thought I would post the bloggers claim here to see what any of you would have to say about it. I didn’t know the guy (Sven) who claims that Obama was somehow put into a Catholic Social Services of Connecticut and naturalized in 83 was a member here and had posted it before.

  76. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 30, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    hermitian:
    What law precludes law enforcement from lying?Maybe I missed something.

    Oh henry there you are I see you ran away on amazon

  77. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm #

    Serpico: He is not a member of the cold case posse?

    Why did you change it from “she” to “he”? The e-mail notification of your message says “She is not a member of the cold case posse?”

    Now….how about my other two questions:

    If he/she isn’t how do you know he/she is really communicating with a member of the posse?

    You do understand, don’t you, that the posse and its members have absolutely no law enforcement authority in Arizona?

  78. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Used Car Salesman Zullo holds no rank and is not a LT unless LT means lying turd.What case?There is no case they aren’t bringing this before any prosecutor.Lol he’s taking the traveling circus on the road?

    Actually some of the posses – the rescue and Sun City posses come to mind – do have ranks that wear the same insignia as regular supervisors which can be a little confusing when people look to the wrong Lieutenant for direction.

    That said I had never seen or heard Zullo referred to by rank and one would think we might have heard of Sgt. Zullo before we heard of Lt. Zullo.

  79. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 30, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Actually some of the posses – the rescue and Sun City posses come to mind – do have ranks that wear the same insignia as regular supervisors which can be a little confusing when people look to the wrong Lieutenant for direction.

    That said I had never seen or heard Zullo referred to by rank and one would think we might have heard of Sgt. Zullo before we heard of Lt. Zullo.

    Lt. General King of Car Sales Mike Zullo

  80. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 11:02 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Why did you change it from “she” to “he”? The e-mail notification of your message says “She is not a member of the cold case posse?”

    Now….how about my other two questions:

    If he/she isn’t how do you know he/she is really communicating with a member of the posse?

    You do understand, don’t you, that the posse and its members have absolutely no law enforcement authority in Arizona?

    I accidently put she instead of he and tried to quickly edit it. Sorry for the misunderstanding. The answer to the question of how does He know he is talking to a posse member? He contacted them through their phone number on their posse website. As far as law enforcement authority, didn’t Sheriff Arpaio state they had the backing of the Maricopa Sheriff Department?

    Sorry. I put she again.

  81. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 30, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    Serpico: I accidently put she instead of he and tried to quickly edit it. Sorry for the misunderstanding. The answer to the question of how does He know he is talking to a posse member? He contacted them through their phone number on their posse website. As far as law enforcement authority, didn’t Sheriff Arpaio state they had the backing of the Maricopa Sheriff Department?

    Sorry. I put she again.

    Actually at his first press conference he said this “investigation” was unofficial and would not be in his official capacity.

  82. avatar
    J.D. Sue March 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

    Maybe he’s a lieutenant in the gangster sense of the term…

  83. avatar
    john March 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm #

    I see why Mark Gillar decided not to debate. I actually asked Mike Zullo when he visited my tea party why he does not respond to Obots. Zullo explained to me that it is best ignore the Obots and not get wrapped up in their nonsense. Obots try to confuse birthers and suggest hypothetical should of, would of and could of scenarios and guesswork. Zullo told me that the information they have has been due to factual investigative work. He said it is best not to give Obots an audience. Susquently, I see why Gillar has decided to to debate HistorianDude after talking with Zullo.

  84. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Actually at his first press conference he said this “investigation” was unofficial and would not be in his official capacity.

    The latest interviews I have heard with Zullo is that it is a official investigation.

  85. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 11:19 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Lt. General King of Car Sales Mike Zullo

    Arpaio already wears four stars on his uniform collar so that’ll have to be it for Zullo.

  86. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm #

    Serpico: The latest interviews I have heard with Zullo is that it is a official investigation.

    So they can’t make up their mind. So Zullo makes a claim did Joe Arpaio say it was official yes or no?

  87. avatar
    Dave B. March 30, 2013 at 11:29 pm #

    Serpico: I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained.

    Why yes, that’s how these things are done. You meet with VIPs. From around the country. And you show THEM your “evidence”.
    Isn’t that what the real Serpico would’ve done?

  88. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 11:33 pm #

    Serpico: I accidently put she instead of he and tried to quickly edit it. Sorry for the misunderstanding. The answer to the question of how does He know he is talking to a posse member? He contacted them through their phone number on their posse website. As far as law enforcement authority, didn’t Sheriff Arpaio state they had the backing of the Maricopa Sheriff Department?

    Sorry. I put she again.

    Let me get this straight: Your friend just called the posse phone number and talked to someone who sent him the material you posted? Didn’t you say your friend forwarded the e-mail to you? If so tell us what the domain name is for the sender.

    It doesn’t matter what Arpaio says. Only the State of Arizona, through POST (Peace Officer Standards and Training), determines who can exercise police powers in the state and posse members are not certified peace officers.

  89. avatar
    Dave B. March 30, 2013 at 11:35 pm #

    That was some trick.

    Serpico: In 1971, Barry Soetoro was taken into protective custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

  90. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 11:35 pm #

    Serpico: The latest interviews I have heard with Zullo is that it is a official investigation.

    Let me make this clear for you: Zullo has no authority to investigate anything as a police officer. He has no police powers. None. Zip. Nada.

    Got it now?

  91. avatar
    misha marinsky March 30, 2013 at 11:37 pm #

    Serpico: Sorry. I put she again.

    Freudian slip.

  92. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 11:37 pm #

    Dave B.:
    That was some trick.

    I liked the one about “Federal Foster Care”. That was also a nice touch.

  93. avatar
    Dave B. March 30, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    And that’s just the way the CCCP rolls.

    Serpico: How it went down is that the acquaintance I know (he lives in Phoenix} sent a cold case member (not Zullo) what I posted here. He forwarded what he sent to him to me. He responded that Zullo would look into it.

  94. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Let me make this clear for you: Zullo has no authority to investigate anything as a police officer. He has no police powers. None. Zip. Nada.

    Got it now?

    He is investigating with the backing of the Maricopa County Sheriff Department.

  95. avatar
    Dave B. March 30, 2013 at 11:40 pm #

    I guess Serpico knows about the time machine, too!

    CarlOrcas: I liked the one about “Federal Foster Care”. That was also a nice touch.

  96. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 11:40 pm #

    john:
    I see why Mark Gillar decided not to debate.I actually asked Mike Zullo when he visited my tea party why he does not respond to Obots.Zullo explained to me that it is best ignore the Obots and not get wrapped up in their nonsense.Obots try to confuse birthers and suggest hypothetical should of, would of and could of scenarios and guesswork.Zullo told me that the information they have has been due to factual investigative work.He said it is best not to give Obots an audience. Susquently, I see why Gillar has decided to to debate HistorianDude after talking with Zullo.

    Did Zullo tell you he is a Lieutenant? Did he tell you he has peace officer authority from Arizona POST? Did you ask him why he hasn’t taken his “evidence” to the Maricopa County Attorney for review and prosecution?

  97. avatar
    Dave B. March 30, 2013 at 11:43 pm #

    No, he’s just Head Duck-weigher-in-charge, looking for that duck that weighs the same as President Obama.

    HistorianDude: He can be High Lord Executioner for all we know.

  98. avatar
    Dave B. March 30, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    Did you know anything at all about him other than that he’d said something you wanted to hear?

    Serpico: I didn’t know the guy (Sven) who claims that Obama was somehow put into a Catholic Social Services of Connecticut and naturalized in 83 was a member here and had posted it before.

  99. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Let me get this straight: Your friend just called the posse phone number and talked to someone who sent him the material you posted? Didn’t you say your friend forwarded the e-mail to you? If so tell us what the domain name is for the sender.

    Look, my acquaintance (in Phoenix) called the posse number. He talked to a posse member and sent him a copy of one of Svens blog posts( the one I posted here). At the time I was unaware of what he did. He later forwarded to me what he sent to the posse member in a email and commented that Zullo was going to look into it. Now do you get it?

  100. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 30, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

    Serpico: He is investigating with the backing of the Maricopa County Sheriff Department.

    Two things:

    First, it isn’t the Maricopa County Sheriff Department. It is the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

    Second, backing schmacking!! They can’t investigate squat. They have no authority. Arpaio can’t give them any authority. There is no investigation.

    Have you donated any money to them?

  101. avatar
    Serpico March 30, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    Dave B.:
    Did you know anything at all about him other than that he’d said something you wanted to hear?

    I have never known of Sven nor do I know what he does? But I have read some of his blog tonight. What do you know of him? Does he still post here?

  102. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 30, 2013 at 11:54 pm #

    john:
    I see why Mark Gillar decided not to debate.I actually asked Mike Zullo when he visited my tea party why he does not respond to Obots.Zullo explained to me that it is best ignore the Obots and not get wrapped up in their nonsense.Obots try to confuse birthers and suggest hypothetical should of, would of and could of scenarios and guesswork.Zullo told me that the information they have has been due to factual investigative work.He said it is best not to give Obots an audience. Susquently, I see why Gillar has decided to to debate HistorianDude after talking with Zullo.

    No Mike Zullo doesn’t respond because He’s on a short leash from Jerry Corsi. A coward like Zullo runs from scrutiny. Gillar like most birthers is a coward

  103. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 30, 2013 at 11:56 pm #

    Serpico: He is investigating with the backing of the Maricopa County Sheriff Department.

    No he is not. Are you saying they’re spending taxpayer money on this sham investigation?

  104. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 12:00 am #

    Serpico: Look, my acquaintance (in Phoenix) called the posse number. He talked to a posse member and sent him a copy of one of Svens blog posts( the one I posted here).At the time I was unaware of what he did. He later forwarded to me what he sent to the posse member in a email and commented that Zullo was going to look into it. Now do you get it?

    Ah……now I understand. Did he/she get a response?

  105. avatar
    BatGuano March 31, 2013 at 12:02 am #

    CarlOrcas: Your dog can be “part of the MCCCP”.

    color me wrong. i had earlier read the requirements for posse membership and assumed it extended to the CCP. as you note, there are no requirements for CCP.

  106. avatar
    BatGuano March 31, 2013 at 12:08 am #

    donna:
    BatGuano:

    serious investigation?

    trust me, i know.

  107. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 12:11 am #

    BatGuano: color me wrong. i had earlier read the requirements for posse membership and assumed it extended to the CCP. as you note, there are no requirements for CCP.

    Actually that’s a little bit of hyperbole……though the Search and Rescue Posses do have a number of K9 members.

    As far as the Cold Case Posse is concerned there is no evidence that there are any members beyond Zullo and what, if any, standards there are for joining.

    Other posses have standards and a modest training regimen depending on what they do. The rescue folks put in a lot of time training.

  108. avatar
    Serpico March 31, 2013 at 12:11 am #

    CarlOrcas: Two things:

    First, it isn’t the Maricopa County Sheriff Department. It is the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

    Second, backing schmacking!! They can’t investigate squat. They have no authority. Arpaio can’t give them any authority. There is no investigation.

    Have you donated any money to them?

    Excuse me if I didn’t get the name of his office right. If you watch the first press conference, Arpaio says he has instructed his cold case posse to conduct a investigation on behalf of people of a tea party (who signed some sort of petition as well as I remember). So it looks like he does have the authority to instruct them and the cold case posse is abiding by that authority he granted them. Start watching the first press conference from exactly 2:50 to 4:30 where Arpaio explains he got them to investigate and that the posse has been trained in criminal investigations by his office. He also states the Arizona Constitution grants him the authority to allow the cold case posse to investigate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w0SVOwWGjw

  109. avatar
    Dave B. March 31, 2013 at 12:16 am #

    All I know about him is that he’s posted some cray-zee wacked-out goofiness. Like for instance, that nonsense about acknowledging that President Obama was born in Hawaii but then asserting that he lost his U.S. citizenship as a child through another person’s actions.
    So your presumption is that he’s a credible source? If not, why copy that mess and post it here? Oh, wait, that’s right– you didn’t even KNOW where that goofiness came from in the first place. I believe the correct term for repetition of such nonsense is GOSSIP.

    Serpico: I have never known of Sven nor do I know what he does? But I have read some of his blog tonight. What do you know of him? Does he still post here?

  110. avatar
    Serpico March 31, 2013 at 12:18 am #

    And no, I haven’t donated to them.

  111. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    Serpico: Excuse me if I didn’t get the name of his office right.If you watch the first press conference, Arpaio says he has instructed his cold case posse to conduct a investigation on behalf of people of a tea party (who signed some sort of petition as well as I remember). So it looks like he does have the authority to instruct them and the cold case posse is abiding by that authority he granted them. Start watching the first press conference from exactly 2:50 to 4:30 where Arpaio explains he got them to investigate and that the posse has been trained in criminal investigations by his office. He also states the Arizona Constitution grants him the authority to allow the cold case posse to investigate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w0SVOwWGjw

    It doesn’t matter what he says. He has no authority to do any of that. Anyone who has been in law enforcement in Arizona for more than an hour and a half knows that.

    It is nothing but political posturing.

    But for the sake of argument even if he had the authority to give Zullo and the posse police powers they have broken just about every rule in the book and fatally damaged any investigation that might have been. And for that he would be responsible.

    Think about it.

  112. avatar
    Serpico March 31, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    Dave B.:
    All I know about him is that he’s posted some cray-zee wacked-out goofiness.Like for instance, that nonsense about acknowledging that President Obama was born in Hawaii but then asserting that he lost his U.S. citizenship as a child through another person’s actions.
    So your presumption is that he’s a credible source?If not, why copy that mess and post it here?Oh, wait, that’s right– you didn’t even KNOW where that goofiness came from in the first place.I believe the correct term for repetition of such nonsense is GOSSIP.

    I didn’t know about that scenario Sven is talking about until my friend emailed it to me. I am going to finish reading his blog articles and see what he has to say. I asked if he still makes posts here. Does he?

  113. avatar
    Dave B. March 31, 2013 at 12:23 am #

    I’ve got a little video, too:
    http://www.kpho.com/story/19094741/cold-case-posse-lacks-law-enforcement-experience

    Serpico: Excuse me if I didn’t get the name of his office right.If you watch the first press conference, Arpaio says he has instructed his cold case posse to conduct a investigation on behalf of people of a tea party (who signed some sort of petition as well as I remember). So it looks like he does have the authority to instruct them and the cold case posse is abiding by that authority he granted them. Start watching the first press conference from exactly 2:50 to 4:30 where Arpaio explains he got them to investigate and that the posse has been trained in criminal investigations by his office. He also states the Arizona Constitution grants him the authority to allow the cold case posse to investigate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w0SVOwWGjw

  114. avatar
    Dave B. March 31, 2013 at 12:25 am #

    Beats me. So why did you post that lying gossip in the first place?

    Serpico: I didn’t know about that scenario Sven is talking about until my friend emailed it to me. I am going to finish reading his blog articles and see what he has to say. I asked if he still makes posts here. Does he?

  115. avatar
    Serpico March 31, 2013 at 12:27 am #

    CarlOrcas: It doesn’t matter what he says. He has no authority to do any of that. Anyone who has been in law enforcement in Arizona for more than an hour and a half knows that.

    Yes it does matter what he says. Carl, give me a Arizona statute where it says he is restricted from ordering the cold case posse from investigating Obama and his documentation? I await your evidence.

  116. avatar
    Serpico March 31, 2013 at 12:30 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    You wouldn’t be expected to know this site’s ancient history. Sven’s fantasies never, to my remembrance, reached the status of deserving an article, but were debunked in comments, insofar one can debunk another person’s imaginary friend.

    Sven never had the slightest evidence for any of the ideas he tried out on us in his voluminous commenting. He was sort of our “crazy uncle.”

    Here are some of his aliases:

    Dan Draper Det. Cliff Hanger Dick Whitman Dr. David Goliath Sven Magnussen BadAssMoFoTooOld4Arguendo Bob’sNewFriend CousinBill CousinEsther DrunkenObot(s) FlameThrower Extraordinaire FTE Hormone Stallone IcanChangeMyScreenName? IcanChangeMyScreenNameCousinBill InfloriousBuzzard IngloriousBasterd IngloriousBasturd IngloriousBusterd IngloriousBuzzard IngloriusBasterd kerok LikeDaTerminatorDaStoryWon’tDie MarvelousMarvAlbert MuhommadMcLovin MysteryMessiahTheatre Not Enough Hugs as a Child ObotsRCruel ObotsREvil Pretty in Pink Resign_Soebarkah_Resign Second to the Last Samurai SixToeMoe Ima Obot SwampMop IheArtObots Dick Whitman II PennsylvaniaAvenue Walter White

    He was mentioned in a couple of articles for his commenting, not for his theories:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/08/top-commenters/
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/04/sock-puppets/

    Holy cow at the aliases!!

  117. avatar
    J.D. Sue March 31, 2013 at 12:32 am #

    Dave B.: I believe the correct term for repetition of such nonsense is GOSSIP

    There it is–birtherism in a nutshell. Gossip, ugly gossip.

  118. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 12:33 am #

    Serpico: Yes it does matter what he says. Carl, give me a Arizona statute where it says he is restricted from ordering the cold case posse from investigating Obama and his documentation? I await your evidence.

    You’ve got it backwards. I can’t prove a negative but if you are so sure Arpaio has the authority to have non-sworn posse members investigate a possible crime that didn’t occur in Arizona then you take a look at Arizona Title 13 and let me know what you find.

    Good luck.

  119. avatar
    Serpico March 31, 2013 at 12:34 am #

    Dave B.: I thought I would post the bloggers claim here to see what any of you would have to say about it.

    I gave my reason in another post above.

    ” I thought I would post the bloggers claim here to see what any of you would have to say about it.”

  120. avatar
    AlCum March 31, 2013 at 12:39 am #

    john:
    I see why Mark Gillar decided not to debate.I actually asked Mike Zullo when he visited my tea party why he does not respond to Obots.Zullo explained to me that it is best ignore the Obots and not get wrapped up in their nonsense.Obots try to confuse birthers and suggest hypothetical should of, would of and could of scenarios and guesswork.Zullo told me that the information they have has been due to factual investigative work.He said it is best not to give Obots an audience. Susquently, I see why Gillar has decided to to debate HistorianDude after talking with Zullo.

    Wrong. Birthers refuse to debate because they have no facts or evidence for their ludicrous claims, which have been completely disproven.

  121. avatar
    Dave B. March 31, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    Look, champ, don’t go putting words in my mouth. You’re the one throwing mud to see if any of it sticks. It ain’t sticking.

    Serpico: Dave B.: I thought I would post the bloggers claim here to see what any of you would have to say about it.

    I gave my reason in another post above.

    ” I thought I would post the bloggers claim here to see what any of you would have to say about it.”

  122. avatar
    BatGuano March 31, 2013 at 12:42 am #

    CarlOrcas: Actually that’s a little bit of hyperbole……though the Search and Rescue Posses do have a number of K9 members.

    here’s what their website says:

    “The MCSO Cold Case Posse consists of hand selected individuals with diverse skills consisting of professional experiences in conducting investigations, including individuals with backgrounds in Law Enforcement, Insurance Investigations, Military, Computer Information Systems, as well as lawyers who have participated in criminal and or civil cases.”

    “hand selected individuals”….. it doesn’t even specify people. so……. it could very well be zullo and a dog running operations.

  123. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    Here is the link to Title 13 of the Arizona Revised Statutes. It contains most of the criminal laws and as I recall the search function works pretty well.

    http://www.azleg.gov/arizonarevisedstatutes.asp?title=13

    Enjoy.

  124. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 12:48 am #

    BatGuano: “hand selected individuals”….. it doesn’t even specify people. so……. it could very well be zullo and a dog running operations.

    I’ll put my money on the dog.

    Local news folks in Phoenix – KPHO TV and The New Times chief among them – have tried to find out who is involved and no one has ever found any evidence of another biped other than Jerome Corsi.

  125. avatar
    AlCum March 31, 2013 at 12:52 am #

    Serpico: I just listened to a just released audio from Lt. Mike Zullo. He states the case is still proceeding and they are going to start having meetings with VIPs from around the country and show them their evidence they have attained. So that is probably why Gillar was told to not debate. It has nothing to do with being a coward.Who is this HistorianDude anyway?

    It has everything to do with being wrong.

  126. avatar
    Dave B. March 31, 2013 at 12:57 am #

    I’m not Carl, but here you go:

    http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/11/00441.htm&Title=11&DocType=ARS

    That’s the statute Arpaio uses to justify use of the CCCP. Only thing is, it says

    “D. The sheriff, in the execution of the duties prescribed in this section, may request the aid of volunteer posse and reserve organizations located in the county.”

    It doesn’t say just for any old whim or witch hunt the old so-and-so can come up with. Now what are those “duties prescribed in this section”? They are:

    “1. Preserve the peace.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    “2. Arrest and take before the nearest magistrate for examination all persons who attempt to commit or who have committed a public offense.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    “3. Prevent and suppress all affrays, breaches of the peace, riots and insurrections which may come to the knowledge of the sheriff.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    “4. Attend all courts, except justice and municipal courts, when an element of danger is anticipated and attendance is requested by the presiding judge, and obey lawful orders and directions issued by the judge.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    ” 5. Take charge of and keep the county jail, including a county jail under the jurisdiction of a county jail district, and the prisoners in the county jail.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    “6. Endorse upon all process and notices the year, month, day, hour and minute of reception, and issue to the person delivering it, on payment of fees, a certificate showing the names of the parties, title of paper and time of reception.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    “7. Serve process and notices in the manner prescribed by law and certify under the sheriff’s hand upon the process or notices the manner and time of service, or if the sheriff fails to make service, the reasons for failure, and return them without delay. When returnable to another county, the sheriff may enclose such process or notices in an envelope, addressed to the officer from whom received, and deposit it postage prepaid in the post office. The return of the sheriff is prima facie evidence of the facts stated in the return.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    “8. Secure, as soon as possible, the home of a deceased person located outside the boundaries of an incorporated city or town if the sheriff is unable to determine or locate the heirs or executor of the deceased person.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    Now Subsection C charges the Sheriff with an additional duty:
    “C. The sheriff shall conduct or coordinate within the county search or rescue operations involving the life or health of any person, or may assist in such operations in another county at the request of that county’s sheriff, and may request assistance from any persons or agencies in the fulfillment of duties under this subsection.”
    Is that what the CCCP is doing?

    The Sheriff of Maricopa County is not authorized to “request the aid of volunteer posse and reserve organizations located in the county” FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSES. What’s the purpose of the CCCP?

    Serpico: Yes it does matter what he says. Carl, give me a Arizona statute where it says he is restricted from ordering the cold case posse from investigating Obama and his documentation? I await your evidence.

  127. avatar
    Dave B. March 31, 2013 at 1:00 am #

    Where exactly in the Arizona Constitution would that be?

    Serpico: He also states the Arizona Constitution grants him the authority to allow the cold case posse to investigate.

  128. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 1:09 am #

    Dave B.: I’m not Carl, but here you go:

    Thanks. That’s original housekeeping stuff in Title 13 that outlines the duties and responsibilities of the sheriff.

    Up until the late 60’s there were no state laws regulating police powers and there were lots of questions about authority outside one’s city or county. Many city departments cross commissioned officers through their sheriff. Worse there were no statewide standards for training.

    Now….if you go down deeper in 13 you will find the establishment of standards and training. I forget the original name of the agency but it’s now POST. It establishes the levels of training necessary to have a peace officer’s license or certificate and it alone decides if it is revoked. You can’t work as a police officer without one in Arizona.

    Posse members are not certified by POST but reserve officers are because they have peace officer powers.

    Interestingly one of the first things in the law or maybe in the POST regulations is that county sheriffs are exempt because they are constitutional officers.

  129. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 1:13 am #

    Dave B.:
    Where exactly in the Arizona Constitution would that be?

    This stems from the notion that the power of the sheriff goes back to common law (Robin Hood, the Sheriff of Nottingham, etc.) and that he is the chief law enforcement officer in his county. It’s bunk but people like Serpico love it.

  130. avatar
    misha marinsky March 31, 2013 at 1:48 am #

    J.D. Sue: There it is–birtherism in a nutshell.Gossip, ugly gossip.

    And innuendo, meant to incite a lone wolf.

  131. avatar
    GLaB March 31, 2013 at 2:53 am #

    Well, Mark Gillar may have been ordered/suggested to not debate HistorianDude, but that didn’t prevent him from getting into it with “Will McAvoy” of ACN on Twitter tonight. He was pretty much slaughtered – by someone who isn’t even a regular anti-birther.

    https://twitter.com/WillMcAvoyACN

  132. avatar
    HistorianDude March 31, 2013 at 10:23 am #

    john: .He said it is best not to give Obots an audience. Susquently, I see why Gillar has decided to to debate HistorianDude after talking with Zullo.

    And then Gillar spends most of yesterday in a furious twitter battle with multiple Obots… culminating in a furious spasm of mass banning. Word and music are not quite lining up there, John. Ya think?

  133. avatar
    HistorianDude March 31, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    As far as the Cold Case Posse is concerned there is no evidence that there are any members beyond Zullo and what, if any, standards there are for joining.

    Actually, at the July 17, 2012 press conference Zullo did name one other posse member, an attorney named Denise O’Rourke. He credited her for the review of Hawaiian statutes that led him to falsely assert that Obama’s grandparents could have gotten a foreign born Obama a fraudulent birth certificate merely by claiming it was true. Given actual Hawaiian laws in effect since before it was a state, she would appear to be about as competent as Zullo.

  134. avatar
    richCares March 31, 2013 at 10:45 am #

    that tweeter feed was fun
    it seems that Gellar believes a downloaded pdf file can be used to claim forgery. gellars comments on Guthries photo were amazingly stupid. though the information of that photo and the pdf are exactly the same, Gellar says they are different, hilarious.

  135. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    HistorianDude: Actually, at theJuly 17, 2012 press conference Zullo did name one other posse member, an attorney named Denise O’Rourke. He credited her for the review of Hawaiian statutes that led him to falsely assert that Obama’s grandparents could have gotten a foreign born Obama a fraudulent birth certificate merely by claiming it was true. Given actual Hawaiian laws in effect since before it was a state, she would appear to be about as competent as Zullo.

    Yes, she pops up in a few stories from a year ago and then disappears. One talks about her working with the posse but I didn’t find one that clearly said she was a member.

    Checking her name it looks like she works now for one of the larger law firms in Phoenix and my guess is that she quickly figured out being involved with these folks was not a great career move.

  136. avatar
    Dave B. March 31, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    Lisa Allen introduced her at the March 2012…event, although she didn’t say anything there. According to her Linkedin profile, she was self-employed from, coincidentally, March to October 2012, when she became Deputy County Attorney at Maricopa County Attorney’s Office under Bill Montgomery, whose most admired Arizona political figure past or present is Lyin’ Jon Kyl, “because of his honorable approach to public service and steadfast adherence to conservative principles.” Somebodyo’s feelings must’ve been hurt over that one.

    HistorianDude: Actually, at the July 17, 2012 press conference Zullo did name one other posse member, an attorney named Denise O’Rourke. He credited her for the review of Hawaiian statutes that led him to falsely assert that Obama’s grandparents could have gotten a foreign born Obama a fraudulent birth certificate merely by claiming it was true.

  137. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 31, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    Dave B.:
    Lisa Allen introduced her at the March 2012…event, although she didn’t say anything there.According to her Linkedin profile, she was self-employed from, coincidentally, March to October 2012, when she became Deputy County Attorney at Maricopa County Attorney’s Office under Bill Montgomery, whose most admired Arizona political figure past or present is Lyin’ Jon Kyl, “because of his honorable approach to public service and steadfast adherence to conservative principles.”Somebodyo’s feelings must’ve been hurt over that one.

    I didn’t look at the LinkedIn info. Thanks.

  138. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 31, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    GLaB:
    Well, Mark Gillar may have been ordered/suggested to not debate HistorianDude, but that didn’t prevent him from getting into it with “Will McAvoy” of ACN on Twitter tonight.He was pretty much slaughtered – by someone who isn’t even a regular anti-birther.

    https://twitter.com/WillMcAvoyACN

    This must be a new lowpoint in birtherstan. Being slaughtered on twitter by a fictional tv personality.

  139. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 31, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    My vote still goes to the empty chair Orly lost to in Georgia.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: This must be a new lowpoint in birtherstan. Being slaughtered on twitter by a fictional tv personality.

  140. avatar
    BillTheCat March 31, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    john:
    Obots try to confuse birthers and suggest hypothetical should of, would of and could of scenarios and guesswork with Zullo.

    Yes, confusing liars with the facts is quite unsettling. Wouldn’t want The Chief Investigator to get his story mixed-up 😀

  141. avatar
    Deborah March 31, 2013 at 7:20 pm #

    Serpico: Serpico March 30, 2013 at 7:20 pm (Quote) #

    “In truth, Obama’s background is more than compelling. It’s a tragedy. In 1971, Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, arrived at Hawaii International Airport as an unaccompanied minor with Indonesian Nationality. Minors with foreign nationality are not whisked through customs with a hope and a prayer by customs officers the child will not become a victim of child trafficking. Unaccompanied minors with foreign nationality arriving at any port of entry in the U.S. are taken into protective custody and held until a child welfare hearing is held to determine what is in the best interest of the child.”

    Talk about an inquisition! And in fact this is the true religious persecution character of social services (the real unconstitutional problem being family court) except that in the Spanish Inquisition, the inquisition focused mainly on Jews who were forced to convert to Catholicism WITHOUT ANY INSTRUCTION in Catholicism, and when they failed to live up to their conversion due to lack of instruction, they were labled “false Christians.”

    This type of stuff makes me sick.

    Someone should start a blog titled Jerome Corsi leads a neo-Inquisition.

  142. avatar
    misha marinsky March 31, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

    Serpico: Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States.

    And yet, he’s serving his second term, after being re-elected in a second landslide.

    I hope that makes you miserable. Go complain to Orly and Mario, and be sure to click on their PayPal buttons.

  143. avatar
    Deborah March 31, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    I heard an interview with Zullo where the interviewer (really) said, “make sure you hit the doughnut button.” Then he corrected doughnut to donate, no joke.

  144. avatar
    misha marinsky March 31, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

    Deborah: “make sure you hit the doughnut button.”

    Freudian slip.

  145. avatar
    GLaB March 31, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

    misha marinsky: Freudian slip.

    Not a Freudian slip at all. Actually, it’s the cleverest thing he’s done – reinforcing his bona fides as a cop.

  146. avatar
    Rickey March 31, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

    Serpico: Oh I understand everything.

    You obviously do not understand that it was impossible for Obama to have lost his U.S. citizenship or to have attained Indonesian citizenship.

    Even if Obama had been adopted by Lolo Soetoro (and there is no evidence that an adoption every took place) it would not have affected Obama’s U.S. citizenship.

    Obama was too young too renounce his U.S. citizenship, even if he had been inclined to do so.

    Obama’s mother and stepfather could not have done anything which would have caused him to lose his U.S. citizenship.

    You might have researched this for yourself before you posted Sven’s long-discredited theories, but as we know birthers have no problem accepting all smears of Obama as the gospel truth.

  147. avatar
    Rickey March 31, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    Serpico: Yes it does matter what he says. Carl, give me a Arizona statute where it says he is restricted from ordering the cold case posse from investigating Obama and his documentation? I await your evidence.

    Let’s assume for a minute that Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate is a forgery. If any crime was committed, it was a Federal crime.

    How would the Maricopa County Sheriff have any jurisdiction over a Federal crime?

    What Arizona statute would Obama have violated by releasing a forged birth certificate to reporters in Washington D.C.?

    If Arapaio took his evidence to the District Attorney or a Maricopa County grand jury, how would they be able to bring criminal charges against the President of the United States? How would they get jurisdiction over him? Anyone with an ounce of legal knowledge knows that only the Federal courts have jurisdiction over Federal crimes.

    Zullo’s investigation is a scam which has netted him some attention, a few bucks and two all-expenses-paid trips to Hawaii. And then there is this:

    http://www.kpho.com/story/17159125/criminal-pasts-dont-disqualify-members-of-arpaio-posse

  148. avatar
    SluggoJD March 31, 2013 at 11:04 pm #

    Serpico: “Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States”

    I wonder if you can hear yourself, and how crazy that is.

    The man has been living in the White House for over four years. He can hold a press conference at any time, get himself on your TV at any time, fly anywhere at any time, give orders to send troops, launch nukes, fire generals, he can eat any food in the world, he can fly anywhere he wants to go…

    And you are some anonymous internet guy who obviously can’t do these kinds of things, and all you got going for you is saying crazy stuff like “Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States.”

    You are wrong. Just like back in high school when you took tests and missed some of the questions, you are wrong.

  149. avatar
    richCares April 1, 2013 at 1:47 am #

    Serpico: “Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States”
    .

    at this point it doesn’t matter, he is the president until Jan 20 2017
    put that in your pipe and smoke it

  150. avatar
    Lupin April 1, 2013 at 3:48 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    My vote still goes to the empty chair Orly lost to in Georgia.

    Let’s not forget the Empty Chair ™ that made Clint Eastwood the laughing stock of the nation.

    Empty Chair has been the birfoons’ kryptonite since Day 1.

    Do you think it’s the same Empry Chair, or is there a League of Empty Chairs? (And if so, can my chair join it?)

  151. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny April 1, 2013 at 5:31 am #

    Lupin: Dr. Conspiracy:
    My vote still goes to the empty chair Orly lost to in Georgia.

    Let’s not forget the Empty Chair ™ that made Clint Eastwood the laughing stock of the nation.

    Empty Chair has been the birfoons’ kryptonite since Day 1.

    Do you think it’s the same Empry Chair, or is there a League of Empty Chairs? (And if so, can my chair join it?)

    Things you can do with an empty chair:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDf6cBmJR30