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Palin flirts with birtherism at CPAC?

More background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda’ started with yours.

Our colleagues at ORYR (BirtherReport.com) think so, describing the previous quote as “Sarah Palin Goes Birther on Obama.”

I wouldn’t quite lay the birther mantle on her yet because of the context, which deals with associations, not place of birth. The longer version, which was related to the 2nd Amendment/gun control is:

[00:56] Background checks? I guess, to learn a little more about a person’s thinking and associations and intentions. More background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda’ started with yours.

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73 Responses to Palin flirts with birtherism at CPAC?

  1. avatar
    Keith March 17, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    It would seem that since she has lost her gig at Faux she is working on getting into stand-up.

    She could do OK for a while, but her gags will go stale rather quickly.

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    aesthetocyst March 17, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

    All comes from the same rancid stew.

    Palin and Paul were present (and featured!), theoretically viable Presidential candidates were not. The wingnuts are doubling down.

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    Kiwiwriter March 17, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    We do have to remember that Sarah Palin was the 2008 attack dog for McCain on President Obama’s links to Bill Ayers. The conservatives are still angry about his links to Ayers and that preacher…I think his name was Jeremiah Harris.

    I am aware that, as Robert Bolt wrote in “A Man For All Seasons,” that “subjects are associated with the acts of their kings willy-nilly,” and that is true in reverse. We are often stuck with supporters we do not want. The conservatives are stuck with Orly Taitz supporting them. They can’t easily make her go away. I suspect President Obama feels the same way about Harris and Ayers.

    I’m not thrilled with either, myself…I don’t see bombs as a way to change domestic hearts and minds, and I dislike Harris’s divisive rhetoric, which I think is self-serving and deliberately inflammatory.

    Still, given Palin’s lack of intellectual depth, I wouldn’t put it past her to become a “birther.” If she did, it would lend some respectability to the cause, but even greater hilarity…note that the GOP sidelined her in the 2012 election. The red-meaters at CPAC may love her, but the guys who run the party don’t want her around any more. They know that decision was a disaster.

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    BillTheCat March 18, 2013 at 12:10 am #

    She will say whatever she thinks she needs to in order to smear the President – any untruth or slander. She’s a half-term loser that used up her 15 minutes lomg ago.

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    justlw March 18, 2013 at 12:14 am #

    Someone who caused her running mate’s campaign staff to have to go into full damage control mode, because she hadn’t mentioned to them that her husband was a registered member of a secessionist party (a party she was also “palling around with”), should not be yammering about a need for “background checks.”

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 12:20 am #

    Only in politics could the Obama-Release-Your-Records website refer to Palin, and Taitz refer to N.Y. Magazine and Huff Post as though that is the equivalent of making scholarly references. (Although in fairness you have to dumb it down a little, when you are talking to children of the Lord, which Palin does a good job of here).

    The birther’s concept of more exhaustive back ground checks is deeply disturbing. Jerome Corsi’s idea of investigating Obama’ included finding out what bar his mother frequented and in what part of town…which was supposed to tell us all we needed to know about the President’s “background.” Listening to Corsi, any serious patriot would immediately recognize that his mother was a wh*re and Obama is NOT a child of the Lord. You see, this is what they are really getting at, and it is despicable to me. These people are abusive. (Also, Corsi was dead wrong when he said that CONGRESS should have investigated the fact that Obama was a “dual citizen”).

    But I have to take the opportunity to ask a rhetorical question here (and please bear with me because I am newly de-programmed)…my current thinking is that I am not convinced that the government even has a right to demand birth certificates to begin with (which is how the undocumented worker illegal alien issue ties in to the whole scene). My thinking is this- if an officer pulls you over and demands to see identification and you don’t have it for some reason, why is the burden of proof on you to prove who you are rather than the state’s obligation to prove you aren’t who you say you are according to traditional standards of burden of proof by the state? Just a thought. Please don’t slam me.

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    ObiWanCannoli March 18, 2013 at 1:11 am #

    I thought Palin went birther. Now that I read her statement in context, I don’t believe she is referring to birth certificate or place.

    However, if I have a TV show, I will daily broadcast a 10 minute segment called “Birther’s Corner”.

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    richCares March 18, 2013 at 2:13 am #

    Sarah Palin was not at CPAC, she had to go check her rack for bears, Tina Fey stood in for her and no one noticed (including her husband), but you may recall the movie Palin did with Steve Carell, that was where Palin stood in for Tina Fey, it was not a big hit.

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    misha marinsky March 18, 2013 at 3:17 am #

    Kiwiwriter: given Palin’s lack of intellectual depth

    Not true. Palin likes college. She went to five of them, before getting her degree in Vacuous Political Science.

    justlw: she hadn’t mentioned to them that her husband was a registered member of a secessionist party (a party she was also “palling around with”)

    Sarah Palin, Joe Vogler, and The Alaskan Independence Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYqRfp6-x8

    During the 1970s, Vogler founded the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) and Alaskans For Independence…

    In a 1991 interview currently housed…at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Vogler is recorded as saying “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won’t be buried under their damn flag. I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”

    Vogler disappeared under suspicious circumstances in May 1993, just weeks before he was scheduled to give a speech to the United Nations on Alaskan independence, sponsored by the government of Iran. Convicted thief Manfried West confessed to having murdered Vogler the following year in what he described as an illegal plastic explosive sale gone bad. West, trying to recant, later said the confession was a lie, but this was before Vogler’s body had been discovered. Vogler’s remains were discovered in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks in October 1994 following an anonymous tip. They had been wrapped in a blue tarp secured with duct tape and were identified through fingerprint analysis. Manfried West was convicted of murdering Joe Vogler and is serving an 80 year sentence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Vogler

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 4:11 am #

    My best guess is that the “back ground” checks are referring to back ground checks with regard to GUN CONTROL and Palin warped it out of context into her own personal agenda. People should be trying to do what is best for the country, and for the people. Deluding people can’t be good.

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    roadburner March 18, 2013 at 4:44 am #

    Deborah: (and please bear with me because I am newly de-programmed)…

    glad to see you here and admire your honesty.

    there has been over four years of bull floating around the blogosphere, so getting round to seeing the birther con can’t be easy.

    the folks here won’t give you grief, as like most on the other side of the wall from the birthers, opposing opinions are welcomed and discussion is looked upon as healthy.

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    Bob March 18, 2013 at 5:01 am #

    It’s just cowardly, vague innuendo, like Corsi trafficked in for so long.

    How the mighty have fallen.

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 5:47 am #

    Thanks Roadburner…although I did vote for Obama, I was temporarily distracted by the bail out issue and…facebook! I never supported the birthers. As far as I went was to question a dual office holding with the U.N. flying high with facebook leads to nowhere. My sincere feeling is that the real Constitutional issue lies in family court, but I’ll try to stay on topic and only bring that in when it comes up. Also, one wonderful thing that I want to hold on to that I learned in all this was the natural law of nations (how nations are supposed to respect each other)…all children of all nations naturally inherit the citizenship of their parents. If I can repent of my transgressions against the Presidency anyone can! (and should).

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    The Magic M March 18, 2013 at 7:00 am #

    Deborah: all children of all nations naturally inherit the citizenship of their parents

    I still don’t like the formulation as it sounds as if no country had the authority to handle its citizenship otherwise (e.g. only by ius soli).
    Every country is the sole arbiter of its citizenship, and I don’t see how it would be bound to any “natural law” (which is usually just a euphemism for claims that “what I want” or “what my faith says” is superior to what the law says) limiting its discretion in handling this issue.

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    Arthur March 18, 2013 at 8:35 am #

    The Magic M: Every country is the sole arbiter of its citizenship, and I don’t see how it would be bound to any “natural law” (which is usually just a euphemism for claims that “what I want” or “what my faith says” is superior to what the law says) limiting its discretion in handling this issue.

    Well said.

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    Yoda March 18, 2013 at 10:59 am #

    It was not a birther comment at all.

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    john March 18, 2013 at 11:22 am #

    Hey! It looks like Doug Vogt and Paul Iyer have spent just as much work and time as John Woodman has and are trying to write a book about it.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/03/document-expert-obama-forged-birth-certificate.html

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    Rickey March 18, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    Kiwiwriter:

    Still, given Palin’s lack of intellectual depth, I wouldn’t put it past her to become a “birther.” If she did, it would lend some respectability to the cause, but even greater hilarity…note that the GOP sidelined her in the 2012 election. The red-meaters at CPAC may love her, but the guys who run the party don’t want her around any more. They know that decision was a disaster.

    People made fun of Palin in 2008 when during an interview she said that she asked “What does the Vice-President do?” when she was approached to be McCain’s running mate. Most people took that to mean that she literally did not know anything about the position. However, I have always believed that what she really meant was “How hard is the job going to be?”

    Being Governor of Alaska is essentially a part-time position. The Alaska Legislature is in session only three months a year and when I visited Juneau in June, 2009 (shortly before she resigned) I was told that Palin was rarely in Juneau the rest of the year. i believe that the main reason that she didn’t run for President in 2012 is that she had no interest in having a 24/7 job while she was pulling down big bucks from appearing on Fox News and making personal appearances all over the country.

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    justlw March 18, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    Yoda:
    It was not a birther comment at all.

    Agreed — mostly. Rebecca may have been trying for a twofer.

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    justlw March 18, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

    Rickey: Most people took that to mean that she literally did not know anything about the position. However, I have always believed that what she really meant was “How hard is the job going to be?”

    Possibly. But she also literally did not know what the position entailed.

    Q: Finally governor we’ve been trying to engage some local grade schoolers for the last few elections. We do a feature called ‘questions from the third grade.’ Brandon Garcia wants to know, “What does the Vice President do?”

    PALIN: Aw, that’s something that Piper would ask me, as a second grader, also. That’s a great question, Brandon, and a Vice President has a really great job, because not only are they there to support the President agenda, they’re like a team member, the teammate to that President. But also, they’re in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the Senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom. And it’s a great job and I look forward to having that job.

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    Birther Weary March 18, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    Bible Spice is just trying to find a new gig that won’t be too demanding. Too bad for her that CPAC isn’t a weekly occurrence.

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    Kiwiwriter March 18, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    Rickey: People made fun of Palin in 2008 when during an interview she said that she asked “What does the Vice-President do?” when she was approached to be McCain’s running mate. Most people took that to mean that she literally did not know anything about the position. However, I have always believed that what she really meant was “How hard is the job going to be?” Being Governor of Alaska is essentially a part-time position. The Alaska Legislature is in session only three months a year and when I visited Juneau in June, 2009 (shortly before she resigned) I was told that Palin was rarely in Juneau the rest of the year. i believe that the main reason that she didn’t run for President in 2012 is that she had no interest in having a 24/7 job while she was pulling down big bucks from appearing on Fox News and making personal appearances all over the country.

    I read in Joe McGinniss’s book “Going to Extremes,” about his journey through Alaska in 1975, that the State Legislature, the staff, and the reporters who cover them, would follow their official activities by adjourning to a basement in the State Capitol, and all do cocaine together.

    Conspiracy theorists could have a lot of fun with that…

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    Yoda March 18, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

    justlw: Agreed — mostly.Rebecca may have been trying for a twofer.

    Within the context of the comments, her meaning is clearly not birther, but it is possible that she is giving a reach around to the birferstani.

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    Yoda March 18, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    Birther Weary:
    Bible Spice is just trying to find a new gig that won’t be too demanding. Too bad for her that CPAC isn’t a weekly occurrence.

    I thought she was Caribou Barbie. Oh I am so confused.

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

    misha marinsky: Not true. Palin likes college. She went to five of them, before getting her degree in Vacuous Political Science.

    Obama’s newly confirmed Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel also attended 5 colleges and was a D student.

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    Birther Weary March 18, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

    Serpico: Obama’s newly confirmed Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel also attended 5 colleges and was a D student.

    Link for all of it? Is there anything else to his story that might distinguish him from the Quitter from Wasilla?

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 18, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

    Serpico: Obama’s newly confirmed Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel also attended 5 colleges and was a D student.

    You’re reading Palin’s bio. Hagel went to two colleges the Brown Institute for Radio and Television and the University of Nebraska at Omaha

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    Birther Weary: Link for all of it? Is there anything else to his story that might distinguish him from the Quitter from Wasilla?

    Right here:

    http://legalpronews.findlaw.com/article/04v45zIacjciD?q=Chuck+Hagel

    Chuck Hagel in his own words:

    “Well, I had a–speaking of discipline–a difficult time staying in colleges. I was never kicked out of one, I never flunked out of one. I went to five different colleges. But I was in and out, a bit bored,” Hagel said.

    He had to take English composition three times, and struggled with other subjects as well. “Science, chemistry, some of the math courses I took were D’s,” Hagel admitted in a 2001 interview about his life and career with C-SPAN.

    “I said to them, well, I don’t think it’s in the best interest for any legitimate educational institution for me to go back and try that again right now,” Hagel recalled. “And it’s probably not in my best interest. So why don’t I just volunteer for the draft.”

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    Birther Weary March 18, 2013 at 4:34 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: You’re reading Palin’s bio.Hagel went to two colleges the Brown Institute for Radio and Television and the University of Nebraska at Omaha

    He also took an extended vacation between schools in a tropical paradise called Viet Nam.

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    Rickey March 18, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    Serpico: Obama’s newly confirmed Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel also attended 5 colleges and was a D student.

    Unlike Dick Cheney, Chuck Hagel turned down a college deferment and enlisted in the Army in 1967. He was an infantryman in Vietnam, where he received two Purple Hearts. After he got out of the Army he enrolled at the University of Nebraska-Omaha, where he received a B.A. in History.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

    Getting “some Ds” does not make one a D student.

    Feel free to publicly post your apology here.

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    The Magic M and Arthur- as I’m sure you know that’s Vattel’s law of nations. All children of all nations includes other nations besides Israel (!) and their “God-lovin’, gun totin’ Christian accomplices” as they have been called. Having the state regulate marriage is not natural in my view. According to Socrates, marriage is unnatural (and an unnatural law). Perhaps this is why Clinton wants DOMA over-turned now. He may be less concerned about defending gay marriage than to stop the state’s interference in marriage and family, and I have to agree with him. The birthers would have us believe that this nation is too great for mixed marriages, and had Congress properly investigated Obama’s background they would have arrived at the inevitable conclusion that a natural born citizen is only one who is born of two white heterosexual God Lovin’, gun totin Christians and all others are “second class.” (sarcasm).

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: You’re reading Palin’s bio.Hagel went to two colleges the Brown Institute for Radio and Television and the University of Nebraska at Omaha

    No, he went to 5 colleges.

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 4:39 pm #

    Rickey: Unlike Dick Cheney, Chuck Hagel turned down a college deferment and enlisted in the Army in 1967. He was an infantryman in Vietnam, where he received two Purple Hearts. After he got out of the Army he enrolled at the University of Nebraska-Omaha, where he received a B.A. in History.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

    Feel free to publicly post your apology here.

    I’m not going to apologize. Hagel attended 5 colleges.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 18, 2013 at 4:39 pm #

    Serpico: Right here:http://legalpronews.findlaw.com/article/04v45zIacjciD?q=Chuck+HagelChuck Hagel in his own words:“Well, I had a–speaking of discipline–a difficult time staying in colleges. I was never kicked out of one, I never flunked out of one. I went to five different colleges. But I was in and out, a bit bored,” Hagel said.He had to take English composition three times, and struggled with other subjects as well. “Science, chemistry, some of the math courses I took were D’s,” Hagel admitted in a 2001 interview about his life and career with C-SPAN.“I said to them, well, I don’t think it’s in the best interest for any legitimate educational institution for me to go back and try that again right now,” Hagel recalled. “And it’s probably not in my best interest. So why don’t I just volunteer for the draft.”

    It’s funny how the only sources for this quote seems to be from right wing blogs like Breitbart instead of a link to the actual interview on Cspan why is that?

  35. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 18, 2013 at 4:40 pm #

    Serpico: No, he went to 5 colleges.

    Any proof of this outside of breitbart making the claim? Your article is just a copy and paste from breitbart which claims it came from a Cspan interview but gives no link to the video of said interview.

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    justlw March 18, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    Let’s be careful not to act like birthers would.

    The Breitbart article links to a 49 minute CSPAN video which I cannot view right now, but I’m willing to bet does indeed have the quote Bretibart gave.

    EDIT: I just noticed you said earlier Breitbart didn’t link to the video. I wonder if they’ve added this link ex post facto.

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    Birther Weary March 18, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Any proof of this outside of breitbart making the claim?Your article is just a copy and paste from breitbart which claims it came from a Cspan interview but gives no link to the video of said interview.

    Since I don’t trust Breitbart, I found the video. He does say that. His attended his first college on a football scholarship, was injured, had surgery, lost the scholarship and transferred to another college. He transferred again, got drafted, came home and graduated from the University of Nebraska.

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    Arthur March 18, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

    Deborah: Having the state regulate marriage is not natural in my view.

    Peel away the genteel veneer of religion and romance, and you see that marriage is essentially a legal contract–at least when you try to end one! In a secular society, I don’t know if there’s any other way to do it.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 18, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

    Birther Weary: Since I don’t trust Breitbart, I found the video. He does say that. His attended his first college on a football scholarship, was injured, had surgery, lost the scholarship and transferred to another college. He transferred again, got drafted, came home and graduated from the University of Nebraska.

    So lets see things outside his control as opposed to Palin leaving Hawaii because they were so many minorities there.

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Any proof of this outside of breitbart making the claim?Your article is just a copy and paste from breitbart which claims it came from a Cspan interview but gives no link to the video of said interview.

    Take a listen to Hagel in his own words.

    At 15:00 into the video, Hagel states he went to 5 colleges
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/165391-1

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

    I agree, Arthur. Come divorce time we realize it was never right to begin with.

    Anyhow, Law of Nations, and the natural right of children to inherit their parent’s citizenship pertains to international law, and not whiteys only.

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    Thinker March 18, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    I love the ORYR intro to that video, with Obama’s face looking like his birth certificate and then an animation that stamps the word “forged” on his forehead. If I didn’t know that birfers were irony-deficient, reality-challenged losers, I would think that they put that in there deliberately to make fun of themselves. And if I were making a video parodying birfers, I would probably include something like that.

    It is buffoonery like that intro that guarantees that serious people will never take them seriously.

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    Scientist March 18, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

    Deborah: Law of Nations, and the natural right of children to inherit their parent’s citizenship pertains to international law, and not whiteys only.

    There is no international law that recognizes a “right of children to inherit their parent’s citizenship”. While most countries’ laws do recognize some jus sanguinis ability to pass citizenship to children, nothing in international law requires that. International law does recognize that statelessness is a bad thing and that therefore children should acquire a citizenship at birth, but it does not specify that must be inherited from parents vs from the child’s place of birth.

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: as opposed to Palin leaving Hawaii because they were so many minorities there.

    What makes you think she left Hawaii because there were so many minorities there?

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 18, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

    Serpico: What makes you think she left Hawaii because there were so many minorities there?

    Something her dad said: “They were a minority type thing and it wasn’t glamorous, so she came home.”

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    ballantine March 18, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    Deborah:
    I agree, Arthur. Come divorce time we realize it was never right to begin with.

    Anyhow, Law of Nations, and the natural right of children to inherit their parent’s citizenship pertains to international law, and not whiteys only.

    The Law of Nations or Public International Law does not have an actual rule of citizenship. Rather the rule of International Law recognizes that every nation can define its citizenship however it wants and has an absolute right to enforce its own citizenship and nationality law within its borders. As a matter of mutual comity under International Law, nations are generally obligated to recognize the nationality laws of other nations as long as they don’t interfere or conflict with their own laws. In such conflicts, International Law provided little guidance, though various writers proposed rules, there was never a consensus at least in the 18th and 19th century. In Vattel’s time, most nations were jus soli and apparently Vattel was opining on what he though the law should be. However, there was no rule of International Law in his time or in the 19th century establishing jus sanguinis as the rule of International Law.

    There have been many nations in history that provided only for jus soli citizenship and such was perfectly consistent with International Law. The current law of the United States is that no one born outside of the United States even to two citizen parents is a citizen unless provided for by Congressional statute. Ted Cruz was born a citizen because the 1965 Naturalization Act applied to him. If such act was repealed before he was born, he was an alien. International Law has nothing to do with it.

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    Rickey March 18, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

    Serpico: I’m not going to apologize. Hagel attended 5 colleges.

    He attended four colleges between the time that he graduated high school in 1964 and when he volunteered to serve in Vietnam in 1967. He served with valor during his time in the Army and after he was separated from active duty he enrolled at the University of Nebraska-Omaha, where he graduated with a B.A. in History.

    As was the case with many young men, he matured and gained focus during his time in the Army. He obviously was not committed to his education when he graduated high school, but he was committed to his education when he enrolled at the University of Nebraska-Omaha.

    You, on the other hand, have demonstrated that you have at best a fraction of the maturity of Chuck Hagel.

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    Rickey March 18, 2013 at 5:53 pm #

    Serpico: What makes you think she left Hawaii because there were so many minorities there?

    In a new book, Sarah Palin’s father says one reason she cut short her college career in Hawaii was because the heavy minority population made her uncomfortable—and not, as she writes in her book, because “perpetual sunshine isn’t necessarily conducive to serious academics.” Lefty sites have seized on the tidbit in Sarah From Alaska, reviewed today for the New Yorker by Sam Tanenhaus in tandem with Going Rogue:

    Palin’s dad, Chuck Heath, told the authors “the presence of so many Asians and Pacific Islanders made her uncomfortable: ‘They were a minority type thing and it wasn’t glamorous, so she came home.’

    http://www.newser.com/story/75616/dad-palin-left-hawaii-because-of-minorities.html

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    Bob March 18, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    My favorite Palin factoid:

    ‘Sarah Palin told a Canadian audience Saturday that, as a child in Alaska, her family brought her across the border for medical care under the single-payer Canadian system.

    “We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada,” she said, in what the article describes as a reference specifically to Saskatchewan. “And I think now, isn’t that ironic.”‘

    ☞LINK

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

    Ok Ballantine. I appreciate your efforts.

    What is the worst possible legal scenario the birthers envision for which Obama should be hung at the gallows for treason? Even if it was true that he was in fact born in Africa, what kind of sinister allegiance would that be? He’s committed to corporate Diamond mining rather than the starving souls the religious people claim to care so much for? I can think of far worse allegiances he could have- but Africa is not one of them.

    Some of these people obviously read too much history (which happens to be one of my fav subjects also). Evidently this is intrigue and rebellion in the political historical sense.

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    I’ll post the case law on the U.S. interpretation of Vatell later. I cannot do it right now. I’m operating on my memory of research. I’ll have to search for my source, then post.

    But I think it had something to do with world peace…

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 8:00 pm #

    Rickey: In a new book, Sarah Palin’s father says one reason she cut short her college career in Hawaii was because the heavy minority population made her uncomfortable—and not, as she writes in her book, because “perpetual sunshine isn’t necessarily conducive to serious academics.” Lefty sites have seized on the tidbit in Sarah From Alaska, reviewed today for the New Yorker by Sam Tanenhaus in tandem with Going Rogue:


    Palin’s dad, Chuck Heath, told the authors “the presence of so many Asians and Pacific Islanders made her uncomfortable: ‘They were a minority type thing and it wasn’t glamorous, so she came home.’

    http://www.newser.com/story/75616/dad-palin-left-hawaii-because-of-minorities.html

    It makes sense she was uncomfortable with minorities. She grew up in a isolated region of Alaska where it was basically all white.

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    Serpico March 18, 2013 at 8:02 pm #

    Rickey: He attended four colleges between the time that he graduated high school in 1964 and when he volunteered to serve in Vietnam in 1967. He served with valor during his time in the Army and after he was separated from active duty he enrolled at the University of Nebraska-Omaha, where he graduated with a B.A. in History.

    As was the case with many young men, he matured and gained focus during his time in the Army. He obviously was not committed to his education when he graduated high school, but he was committed to his education when he enrolled at the University of Nebraska-Omaha.

    You, on the other hand, have demonstrated that you have at best a fraction of the maturity of Chuck Hagel.

    Why the ridicule? I was right all along. Hagel attended 5 colleges.

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    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    In Tisdale versus Obama, Attorney Apuzzo wrongfully argues that the founding fathers intended to create a first and second class of citizens (Blacks being second class citizens in his view).

    “The Fourteenth Amendment was passed only to give basic citizenship
    to blacks and to make “citizens” equal which did not include making them
    equal to “natural born Citizens” who are the only ones who are eligible to be
    President and Vice-President.” (page 26).

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/86241834/Tisdale-v-Obama-4th-Cir-Appeal-2012-03-20-Apuzzo-Amicus-Brief

    Here’s a birther blog that supports the idea of “two classes” http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

    From the birther blog: “In Minor v. Happersett (1875), the Supreme Court defined two classes of persons. The first class consists of children born in the United States, of U.S.-citizen parents. The second class consists of all other U.S.-born children, regardless of their parents’ citizenship. The Court used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to the first class. Regarding members of the second class, the Court doubted they were even citizens, let alone natural born citizens. In the Court’s opinion, natural born citizens are “distinguished from” aliens or foreigners, suggesting that a natural born citizen is someone who is not a “foreigner” (foreign citizen) at birth [05].”

    From Minor v. Happersett: “it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”

    The U.S. Supreme Court is not referring to U.S. laws here, but “all children of all nations.” This is the law of nations and common law as well. The U.S. government has an interest in recognizing and maintaining diplomacy according to the rights of all nations, for it engages in trade and other activities with these nations. This is just plain common sense. Although the court does acknowledge class structures here in an ultimately irrelevant sense, the U.S. does not claiming superiority over other nations, nor is it directing U.S. citizens to denigrate citizens of other countries. The birthers simply wanted to categorize Obama as a second class citizen, and worse, a traitor, instead of acknowledging that dual citizenship as a child was not a thing disdained by the court. Besides, as mentioned earlier, which may come as a suprise to Christians, there are other nations the U.S. must deal with besides Israel, and these relations are equally important.

  55. avatar
    Rickey March 18, 2013 at 8:50 pm #

    Serpico: Why the ridicule? I was right all along. Hagel attended 5 colleges.

    You also claimed that he was a “D” student, when in fact he got Ds only in some classes, and those classes were before he volunteered for Vietnam. And Hagel attended four of his five colleges before he volunteered for Vietnam.

    There is no comparison between Hagel’s college days and Palin’s college days. Context is everything.

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    Rickey March 18, 2013 at 9:02 pm #

    Serpico: It makes sense she was uncomfortable with minorities. She grew up in a isolated region of Alaska where it was basically all white.

    I went to a high school which was all white. I have never been uncomfortable with minorities.

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    Northland10 March 18, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    Serpico: It makes sense she was uncomfortable with minorities. She grew up in a isolated region of Alaska where it was basically all white.

    Yet, we have foreign students all of the time who don’t seem to have a problem with going to a school with those of different nationalities then where they are from. Unlike you, apparently, most of us do not feel weakened by being around people of a different race or culture. Was Sarah to weak to handle the challenge of being around people different from her?

  58. avatar
    Rickey March 18, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    Northland10: Yet, we have foreign students all of the time who don’t seem to have a problem with going to a school with those of different nationalities then where they are from.Unlike you, apparently, most of us do not feel weakened by being around people of a different race or culture.Was Sarah to weak to handle the challenge of being around people different from her?

    And Wasilla is not 100% white.

  59. avatar
    Bob March 18, 2013 at 9:27 pm #

    Serpico: It makes sense she was uncomfortable with minorities.

    In your opinion is that a feature or a bug?

  60. avatar
    Thinker March 18, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    I read on the web somewhere–I can’t find it now–that Sarah left Hawaii because she got pregnant with Frank Marshall Davis’s baby. I heard she used to hang out in seedy bars and pick up random guys, and that she preferred middle-aged black men. I saw it on the internet, so it must be true.

  61. avatar
    Northland10 March 18, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    Rickey: And Wasilla is not 100% white.

    Hmm.. A quick check and I see my home town is even “whiter” then Wasilla. Apparently, I am suppose to be uncomfortable with minorities.

  62. avatar
    donna March 18, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    palin is married to an alaska native for which the entire family received affirmative action benefits including free healthcare

  63. avatar
    Deborah March 18, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    At least the local yokels are learnin’ the Constitution. But the problem in my view, is AT the local level, not the Federal level.

  64. avatar
    AlCum March 19, 2013 at 8:21 am #

    john:
    Hey! It looks like Doug Vogt and Paul Iyer have spent just as much work and time as John Woodman has and are trying to write a book about it.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/03/document-expert-obama-forged-birth-certificate.html

    It is a complete legal impossibility for the birth certificate to be a forgery, john.

    Hawaii authenticated it. That closes the matter.

  65. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 19, 2013 at 9:47 am #

    Serpico: It makes sense she was uncomfortable with minorities. She grew up in a isolated region of Alaska where it was basically all white.

    So let me get this straight she didn’t think Hawaii would be different from Alaska before she enrolled?

  66. avatar
    AROD March 19, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

    Serpico must be Bristol very few Palin apologists left….

  67. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 19, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    More Breitbart birther shouting at CPAC:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/cpac-birther-fight_n_2900899.html

  68. avatar
    Keith March 19, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    Rickey: You also claimed that he was a “D” student, when in fact he got Ds only in some classes, and those classes were before he volunteered for Vietnam. And Hagel attended four of his five colleges before he volunteered for Vietnam.

    There is no comparison between Hagel’s college days and Palin’s college days. Context is everything.

    One of Palin’s schools was in Moscow during the height of the Cold War. What does that say about her?

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    dunstvangeet March 20, 2013 at 3:49 am #

    Keith: One of Palin’s schools was in Moscow during the height of the Cold War. What does that say about her?

    I think that is Moscow, Idaho, home of the University of Idaho. Go Vandals!

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    richCares March 20, 2013 at 6:59 pm #

    I clicked on the video link and closely watched it, shocking!
    what was shocking is how she has aged, aged very badly, if you look closely at her face it is scary. She is not aging well, instead of a well worn face, her face seems to be a result of the hate she spews.(it’s not pretty)

  71. avatar
    Keith March 20, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    dunstvangeet: I think that is Moscow, Idaho, home of the University of Idaho.Go Vandals!

    And your point is?

  72. avatar
    Keith March 21, 2013 at 6:31 am #

    dunstvangeet: I think that is Moscow, Idaho, home of the University of Idaho.Go Vandals!

    Keith: And your point is?

    By the way, my point is that being associated with going to school in Moscow, even Moscow, Idaho, is STILL making a statement in Birtherstanian.

    Obama lived in Chicago; Saul Alinsky was born and worked in Chicago, therefore Obama made a particular life choice that marked him as sympathetic to the “Alinsky Tactics”. It follows that he is evil. (are all Chicagoans smeared with the same brush? I dunno).

    Obama lived in Hawai’i at the same time as Frank Davis, and may have met him and been polluted by his ideology. It follows that he is evil.

    Palin went to school in Moscow at the height of the Cold War, when she could have gone to school in Anchorage or Pullman or Boise. She made a particular life choice that symbolically marks her as sympathetic to the Muscovite ideology. It follows that she is evil.

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    G March 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

    ROTFLMAO! That was a hilarious example of how crazy their fear-based mindset is. Kudos.

    But in the end, it simply comes down to “fear of the other” aka “tribalism”. While it is certainly understandable that some folks are going to be uncomfortable with what seems foreign, far away or culturally unfamiliar to them, sadly too many people grow up with an “us vs. them” mentality of looking at the world beyond themselves or what they consider family…where different is perceived as danger…

    …Which also seems to tie into Palin’s college mindset in her Hawaii days too…(to tie these two pieces of thread conversation together)… I’m with Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on that WTF excuse by Serpico, so I’ll echo him: “So let me get this straight she didn’t think Hawaii would be different from Alaska before she enrolled?” As others have tried to point out to Serpico, others of us have grown up in mostly white areas and somehow have been able to adapt just fine when growing up allows us a chance to be exposed to other cultures and greater numbers of “minorities”.

    …Yet folks with the Palin “otherness” fixation mindset can’t seem to learn or grow from such exposures, as if somehow they see their own self-identity under threat by being surrounded by folks that are “different” from themselves… I mean really…could the woman really be so clueless as to not realize that Hawaii had a large amount of “non-white” people, before she headed off for there in the first place? She put her self out there and then she fled because being around the “other” made her too uncomfortable…

    I don’t see examples like that as mere “culture shock” moments, but instead, they seem indicative of entrenched, underlying irrational tribalistic bigotry mindsets. Sadly, that is what a lot of this ODS and its Birtherism excuse form really represent – folks that are unwilling to accept or even try to adapt to a President who has a different look, name and “cultural background” then their own myopic relations and experiences.

    All their claims of legal scenarios of “foreign influence” in his situation simply don’t hold up under any serious scrutiny or contemplation of the issue. Nor does the 21st century geo-political reality anywhere remotely resemble the predominantly monarchical structure that drove originalist arguments of “foreign influence” fears back in the days of this nation’s formation…

    …Which happened to be mostly concerned with fears of European “foreign influence” powers… which ironically, would usually indicate a Caucasian background that most of these same ODS folks would likely somehow “overlook” as a concern if such a candidate had that type of “questionable background”…

    But yeah, get a guy with a “muslim-y” sounding name, dark skin and a father from Africa… and all of a sudden there is a smokescreen of excuses, “doubts” and “fears” of “Kenyan Colonialism” influences or whatever…. because um, …yeah…Africa’s foreign power influence concerns… riiiight…

    Deborah: What is the worst possible legal scenario the birthers envision for which Obama should be hung at the gallows for treason? Even if it was true that he was in fact born in Africa, what kind of sinister allegiance would that be? He’s committed to corporate Diamond mining rather than the starving souls the religious people claim to care so much for? I can think of far worse allegiances he could have- but Africa is not one of them.

    Some of these people obviously read too much history (which happens to be one of my fav subjects also). Evidently this is intrigue and rebellion in the political historical sense.