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Maricopa County countdown

If I have the time zones correct, Maricopa County charity Cold Case Posse leader Mike Zullo will appear on Carl Gallups radio show in about 20 minutes, starting at 5 PM Eastern Time this afternoon. The call-in number published is 850-623-1330 and you can stream it from the preceding link.

I don’t intend to call in, and probably won’t listen to the show live. I can only take stuff like this in small pieces. At my age, apoplexy is something to be avoided.

Since there is no press coverage, and no way to display charts and graphs and 8×10 glossy photos with lines and arrows, I don’t expect much more than law enforcement jargon, innuendo and the promise of something substantial real soon now. What baffles me this late in the game is: why bother? Zullo has no power to do anything, Sheriff Arpaio has no jurisdiction (even if he were fool enough to bring that pile of twisted straw he calls evidence before a grand jury) and the election is over.

Has Mike Zullo become Orly Taitz, defining himself by the adulation of others?

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162 Responses to Maricopa County countdown

  1. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 5, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    Zullo’s big announcement today will be another “Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.”/”Come on birfers, I need another all expenses paid trip to Hawaii!”, and nothing more, and yet the birthers will be shocked that they’ve been had once again.

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    Rickey April 5, 2013 at 1:32 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Zullo’s big announcement today will be another “Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.”/”Come on birfers, I need another all expenses paid trip to Hawaii!”, and nothing more, and yet the birthers will be shocked that they’ve been had once again.

    Patrick at Bad Fiction reports that Zullo is taking the claims of Linda Joy Adams seriously, so don’t be surprised if her name comes up.

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    CarlOrcas April 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

    Rickey: Patrick at Bad Fiction reports that Zullo is taking the claims of Linda Joy Adams seriously, so don’t be surprised if her name comes up.

    She says no one has contacted her from the show about being on today….but it’s probably not a good idea because her computer speakers don’t work. Hmm.

    http://lindajoyadams.blogspot.com/

    I haven’t paid that much attention to her stuff but she apparently feels sure Obama was born in Topeka, Kansas which raises the obvious question of how that helps Zullo and the birthers.

  4. avatar
    TheEuropean April 5, 2013 at 4:45 pm #

    Can it be that Dr. Orly Taitz, ZahnWalt, is in reality Mike Zullo in drag ?

  5. avatar
    Plantmaster April 5, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    The REAL crime is being committed by Arpaio, Zullo, and the rest of the Insane Cold Case Clown Possee: Habitual Incitement to Acid Reflux…

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    Deborah April 5, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

    It appears to be a career alternative and a trend: rebel against the system and ask for public support and donations.

    It’s totally unethical for a law enforcement officer to “go public” with a criminal case, (whether it is against Obama or any other citizen), for the sake of gathering public support. If it was ever going to be a “real trial” that behavior would be gagged for its potential to taint a jury.

    I want to listen to the interview just for entertainment, but I’ll have to listen later.

  7. avatar
    Deborah April 5, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

    Carl Orcas- Linda Joy Adams claims Obama’s “real” father was lynched and the marriage to Obama Sr. was to legitimize the birth in a time when it was a scandal to have a child out of wedlock. She claims her father is the Reverend that performed the marriage. She also claims there is DNA on the backseat of one of their family cars (now long sold) from when Obama’s mother’s water broke while giving birth.

    Lynda Joy Adams claims she is related to both Obama, Sarah Palin, and one of the Popes. You can find her blog and Facebook by typing in her name. To me, she is either mentally ill or she is someone pretending to be mentally ill. Her blog speaks for itself.

  8. avatar
    bgansel9 April 5, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    Hey Doc? Who is Jackson Pearson and what is his freaking problem? He wants YOU indicted? Is he not aware that you’re just exercising your right to free speech? – http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/04/friday-sheriff-joe-arpaios-lead.html

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    bgansel9 April 5, 2013 at 5:13 pm #

    Deborah: Lynda Joy Adams claims she is related to both Obama, Sarah Palin, and one of the Popes.

    That’s a whole lotta crazy going on there. ::rolling with laughter::

  10. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 5, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

    The commenting crowd at ORYR seems to resent that other people think differently. They are rather extreme in expressing such views.

    bgansel9: Hey Doc? Who is Jackson Pearson and what is his freaking problem? He wants YOU indicted? Is he not aware that you’re just exercising your right to free speech? –

  11. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 5, 2013 at 6:07 pm #

    Deborah: Her blog speaks for itself.

    Amen!

  12. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 5, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

    Falcon is trying awful hard to convince himself that there is anything new and/or of value being said by Zullo. He’s even turning on his own, when they point out that its all been said before.

  13. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 5, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    Looks like I called this one.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Falcon is trying awful hard to convince himself that there is anything new and/or of value being said by Zullo. He’s even turning on his own, when they point out that its all been said before.

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    arrrogantlyignorant April 5, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

    I heard Reality Check when he called in. Gallups cut him off though.
    Least he tried.

    Nothing new but make sure you donate! LOL

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 5, 2013 at 7:15 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Looks like I called this one.

    And there are indeed cries along the lines of “People who have wised up to Zullo’s crap are now Obots by proxy!”

  16. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 5, 2013 at 7:56 pm #

    Well Fellatio Friday was a letdown. No new developments, send us money so we can go on big trips. No taxpayer money is being used well except for that security guard they sent with zullo to hawaii. Then there’s his reason for not listening to john woodman claiming that john woodman is a defunct entrepreneur who wasn’t in the business

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 5, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater:
    Well Fellatio Friday was a letdown.

    I wouldn’t call it a total letdown. I’m loving the mix of anger, befuddlement and birther-on-birther hatred that Zullo’s empty promises have sparked.

  18. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 5, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Looks like I called this one.

    Wow! I don’t know the posters but some of them seem serious. Groser says:

    – ZULLO SAYS SOMETHING BIG WILL HAPPEN WITHIN HALF A YEAR WITH ALL THIS INFO AND VIPS

    Good thing those goal posts have wheels on them!

    And then there’s “Fitz” Fitzpatrick who says he’s so convinced he’s going to mortgaqe his house and send it to the posse.

    Please……tell me he’s joking.

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    Reality Check April 5, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

    Hey, the big news is that Zullo said their evidence had been “verified”. You know when you evidence is verified that is like really big. I can verify that. 😆

  20. avatar
    Graham Shevlin April 5, 2013 at 8:31 pm #

    Their evidence has been “verified”? Jeez, How much more BS-ish can these guys go? Is there no limit to the depth of the gullibility of the CCP supporters?

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    donna April 5, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

    Reality Check:

    seriously, what law enforcement agency says nothing more than “this is an ongoing investigation”?

    nothing more is said until prosecutors are ready to or have already charged people with crimes

    nothing more is said until a grand jury has reached a verdict

    can you imagine credible law enforcement agencies holding press conferences week after week, month after month saying “any day now”?

    the press would skewer them – only in birtherstan would fools fall for this

    in the tuscon shooting case, “Pima County Sheriff’s officials, who investigated the case jointly with the FBI, withheld the crime reports under a federal court order for two years. U.S. District Judge Larry Burns had decided while the murder case was pending that publication of investigative materials might jeopardize the defendant’s right to a fair trial.”

    if this were a CREDIBLE issue, obams’s attorneys would go to court and demand a gag order

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    Deborah April 5, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

    Carl Orcas, this topic appears to me be a waste of time, but…

    …there is an internet expatriate in France named Geir Smith who believes he is the messiah. He posts frequently about Linda Joy Adams. He may be impersonating a mentally ill person named Linda Joy Adams, or they are both mentally ill. Whoever Geir Smith and Linda Joy Adams are, they are opposed to OBAMACARE.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/03/can-you-prove-im-not-messiah-linda-joy-adams-and-ppsimmons-divided-about-the-topic-2449080.html

    http://beforeitsnews.com/2012/2013/03/linda-joy-adams-quotes-geir-smith-says-ppsimmons-and-joe-arpaio-have-still-not-budged-their-old-arses-to-speak-up-to-her-says-she-thinks-obama-is-the-antichrist-2444306.html

    I think it’s just “intrigue.”

  23. avatar
    arrrogantlyignorant April 5, 2013 at 8:50 pm #

    Shame on you for calling Weaselboy exactly what he is! (liar) 😉

    Reality Check:
    Hey, the big news is that Zullo said their evidence had been “verified”. You know when you evidence is verified that is like really big. I can verify that.

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    Rickey April 5, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    Deborah:
    Carl Orcas, this topic appears to me be a waste of time, but…

    …there is an internet expatriate in France named Geir Smith who believes he is the messiah. He posts frequently about Linda Joy Adams. He maybe impersonating a mentally ill person named Linda Joy Adams, or they are both mentally ill. Whoever Geir Smith and Linda Joy Adams are, they are opposed to OBAMACARE.

    Geir Smith posted his lunacy here for a while. He has a Facebook page, if anyone is interested is reading his rants.

  25. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 5, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

    Deborah: …there is an internet expatriate in France named Geir Smith who believes he is the messiah.

    Yes, he posted here for a while. Very strange. A real trip to the dark side!

  26. avatar
    richCares April 6, 2013 at 2:05 am #

    it’s official, Zullo’s nickname is “any day now”
    he wears it without pride

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    Kate1230 April 6, 2013 at 2:49 am #

    CarlOrcas: She says no one has contacted her from the show about being on today….but it’s probably not a good idea because her computer speakers don’t work. Hmm.

    http://lindajoyadams.blogspot.com/

    I haven’t paid that much attention to her stuff but she apparently feels sure Obama was born in Topeka, Kansas which raises the obvious question of how that helps Zullo and the birthers.

    How can Zullo admit to taking LJA’s nutty claims seriously? That would mean that whatever he’s done to this date is completely discredited since her story is so f’ing crazy and far-fetched even when compared to what the birthers have been saying.

    Does this mean that he doesn’t have any valid evidence to go on? Sure sounds like it if he’s taking the time to investigate this fairy tale. What happens to all their other theories?

  28. avatar
    ArthurWankspittle April 6, 2013 at 4:35 am #

    Plantmaster:
    The REAL crime is being committed by Arpaio, Zullo, and the rest of the Insane Cold Case Clown Possee: Habitual Incitement to Acid Reflux…

    Oh dear, you have set me thinking: Nutalos, Thickalos, Birthalos….

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    The Magic M April 6, 2013 at 5:48 am #

    Kate1230: How can Zullo admit to taking LJA’s nutty claims seriously?

    First, I assume he’s on his own now. Arpaio has moved on to things more important to his personal career.

    Second, Zullo is – contrary to Arpaio who’s just playing birthers for his personal gain – a 100% true blue birther but also a wannabe-detective. That means he probably believes that “proving forged documents” isn’t enough, he thinks he’s the one to get “to the bottom of things”, i.e. to investigate the WHY of the “forgery”.
    Of course he couldn’t travel to Kenya, but any US sources are probably good for him.

    Maybe he’s one of those who actually believe in their crazy cause but fear that what they have now may not be enough to go after Obama personally (he may believe at the end of it all there will be a “I didn’t know my true BC had different data and I whoever forged it did so to protect me without my knowledge” defense on Obama’s part.
    And we all know that no birther will accept a theory that would allow the end result to be anything other than “hang the black guy”.

  30. avatar
    Northland10 April 6, 2013 at 9:03 am #

    CarlOrcas:

    And then there’s “Fitz” Fitzpatrick who says he’s so convinced he’s going to mortgaqe his house and send it to the posse.

    Please……tell me he’s joking.

    During all his trial stuff, I recall hearing something about his landlady stating Fitzpatrick was a nice, quiet tenant. I think she would prefer he not mortgage the house.

    Maybe he could send Zullo the door the police broke when they followed him after he ran.

  31. avatar
    alg April 6, 2013 at 10:16 am #

    Hmmmm….at about an hour into the program they finally get to the solicitation for donations – after Zullo tempts us with details that “can’t be shared.” “The wheels of justice turn slowly” so we will have to wait at least three to four months before we learn what “big stuff is getting ready to happen.” 🙂

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    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    Kate1230: oes this mean that he doesn’t have any valid evidence to go on?

    The quick, simple answer to your question is…..yes. He doesn’t have anything.

  33. avatar
    Bob April 6, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    I have to believe that if anyone, including Birthers, actually send in money to these people that it’s for the entertainment they provide.

  34. avatar
    donna April 6, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    if this were a credible issue, obama’s attorneys would have long ago requested and received a gag order as they did in pima county for 2 years so as to not “jeopardize the defendant’s right to a fair trial.”

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    alg April 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

    donna:
    if this were a credible issue, obama’s attorneys would have long ago requested and received a gag order as they did in pima county for 2 years so as to not “jeopardize the defendant’s right to a fair trial.”

    If this was a “credible issue,” Defective Zullo wouldn’t be playing cops and robbers on some right wing radio talk show.

    If this was a “credible issue,” there would be a real criminal investigation being conducted by a real criminal investigator on a real sheriff department’s official payroll.

    If this was the “biggest fraud committed in American history,” we wouldn’t have a used car salesman begging for donations in order to continue the “investigation.”

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 6, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

    Well, I tried to download the audio, but due to poor planning, ORYR ran out of bandwidth.

    Question to anyone who heard the thing, did they address “Lt.” Zullo?

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    alg April 6, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    “Question to anyone who heard the thing, did they address ‘Lt.’ Zullo?”

    He referred to himself as the “Commander” of the Cold Case Posse. Carl Gallups then says “so you are a cop?” Zullo replies “Yeah, I guess so.”

    Now “Commander” is an official rank in the same way that Lieutenant, Sergeant and Chief are so he is effectively feathering his credentials. However, I have no doubt Sheriff Joe encourages all his volunteer posses to mimic the rank structure of a typical sheriffs office. It’s part of the opportunity to play cops and robbers and helps to draw in volunteers.

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    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 12:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Well, I tried to download the audio, but due to poor planning, ORYR ran out of bandwidth.

    Question to anyone who heard the thing, did they address “Lt.” Zullo?

    Here’s a link that lets you listen to each short segment……seems to be okay this morning….the one that interested me was for:

    1. Lead Investigator for the Cold Case Posse Lt. Mike Zullo reviews his credentials.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/04/audio-zullo-updates-obama-fraud-case.html

    I only listened to the first one until the first caller went on. Zullo was not referred to as a Lieutenant and the review of his “credentials” was superficial….at best. At the conclusion of Zullo’s comments the host was effusive and said something like, “So…..you’re a cop!” and Zullo responded “I guess so.”

    He isn’t.

  39. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    alg: He referred to himself as the “Commander” of the Cold Case Posse.Carl Gallups then says “so you are a cop?”Zullo replies “Yeah, I guess so.”

    Now “Commander” is an official rank in the same way that Lieutenant, Sergeant and Chief are so he is effectively feathering his credentials.However, I have no doubt Sheriff Joe encourages all his volunteer posses to mimic the rank structure of a typical sheriffs office.It’s part of the opportunity to play cops and robbers and helps to draw in volunteers.

    The MCSO doesn’t use Commander as a rank but as a title both in the regular department and the posses. For instance the Commander of a Patrol District in the department is usually a Captain.

    I don’t know how they handle it in the posses but years ago I recall the commanders were elected by the members.

    Zullo can call himself whatever he wants but he still won’t be a cop.

  40. avatar
    nbc April 6, 2013 at 4:29 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Hey, the big news is that Zullo said their evidence had been “verified”. You know when you evidence is verified that is like really big. I can verify that.

    It has even been verified 1000%…

    ROTFL…

  41. avatar
    nbc April 6, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

    They claim this is an investigation by ‘law enforcement’, and yet they continue to share ‘secret’ information with their sponsors, creating a clear conflict of interest. Combine this with their reluctance to allow John Woodman to get involved, and you come to understand why noone believes they came to this ‘open minded’.

    So far their ‘investigation’ has resulted in nothing that even gets close to probable cause to issue a warrant, and furthermore, they are relying on flawed analyses of a PDF document created from a copy of the original to make their arguments.

    Since we know that all the information on the document has been verified, it seems hard to claim that the PDF is in any meaningful sense a forgery.

    Which helps explain why Zullo is starting to embrace the ‘maternal’ line strawman… He realizes that his own investigations will never result in anything actionable. Of course, the Vattel approach has been rejected by several courts already so that is a losing position as well.

    So what remains? Send money we may have some ‘VIP’s who may or may not do something that may or may not help us move forward.

    Nothing will happen really… No warrants, no charges, nothing… There is just no credible evidence for such to move forward.

  42. avatar
    Deborah April 6, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

    Zullo tried to say it was not a “birther issue.” They are not trying to determine whether or not he is a natural born citizen, said Zullo, rather it is a criminal investigation of a fraudulent document.

    But…without the question of whether or not Obama is a citizen, they have no motive, or reason the birth certificate would be forged into a fraudulent document. Don’t criminal investigations generally require a motive?

    At the root, Zullo indicated he is convinced that whether or not Obama was born in the U.S., he is not a citizen because “historically” citizenship is only passed down through the father.

    btw, Dr. C, I sent an email that I could not get onto the site, but I cleared my cache and was then able to get on.

  43. avatar
    Deborah April 6, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    nbc April 6, 2013 at 4:36 pm (Quote) #

    They claim this is an investigation by ‘law enforcement’, and yet they continue to share ‘secret’ information with their sponsors

    I agree. Also, normally political media gives equal air time to both parties. In this case, the CCP is putting out a lot of press releases telling only one side of the story. It’s not correct from a media point of view (because reporters should review both sides of a story) and it’s not correct from the point of view that the CCP should not be disclosing a criminal investigation to the public via the press. That’s what they mean when a person is “tried in the media.” It’s not a public service to lie to people, either. These are total unprofessionals.

  44. avatar
    alg April 6, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    Deborah: “At the root, Zullo indicated he is convinced that whether or not Obama was born in the U.S., he is not a citizen because ‘historically’ citizenship is only passed down through the father.”

    I wonder if Defective Zullo wouldn’t mind pointing out where it says that in the Constitution?

  45. avatar
    nbc April 6, 2013 at 4:54 pm #

    Deborah:
    nbc April 6, 2013 at 4:36 pm(Quote) #

    They claim this is an investigation by ‘law enforcement’, and yet they continue to share ‘secret’ information with their sponsors

    I agree. Also, normally political media gives equal air time to both parties. In this case, the CCP is putting out a lot of press releases telling only one side of the story. It’s not correct from a media point of view (because reporters should review both sides of a story) and it’s not correct from the point of view that the CCP should not be disclosing a criminal investigation to the public via the press. That’s what they mean when a person is “tried in the media.” It’s not a public service to lie to people, either. These are total unprofessionals.

    Worse, they are intent on vilifying those who provide alternative explanations for the data. This is not an investigation, this is a witch hunt. Now Zullo may complain about me not taking their ‘hard work’ seriously but they have shown so far little intent to actually find the truth. Otherwise they would have included John Woodman when he offered his help. Instead they claim that they did not receive any correspondence from him and at the same time they expose that they did know about Woodman and made great efforts to debunk him.

    That’s not how a real police investigation works…

    Now that Zullo has all but admitted to these biases, he will not stand a chance as a credible source of information. No wonder VIPs have been backing out: once they understood the reality, they realized that they did not want to become pawns.

  46. avatar
    nbc April 6, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

    alg: I wonder if Defective Zullo wouldn’t mind pointing out where it says that in the Constitution?

    It was worse, he set up a strawman by claiming that people had argued that citizenship passed through the maternal line.

    “Anytime soon now” Zullo, has shown himself to be utterly obsessed by President Obama’s birther issues, which have guided him down a path in which he appears to have ignored exculpatory evidence. If this were a real law enforcement investigation, I have no doubt that charges would have been filed for what I see as misconduct.

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    justlw April 6, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

    alg: He referred to himself as the “Commander” of the Cold Case Posse. Carl Gallups then says “so you are a cop?” Zullo replies “Yeah, I guess so.”

    That’s how Dragnet started each episode, every week:

    “My name’s Friday. I’m a cop.

    “…I guess. I mean, why wouldn’t I be a cop? Can you prove I’m not a cop?”

    This would be followed by a half hour (less commercials) of the production staff explaining what a gripping episode they promised they’d be airing in three or four months.

  48. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 6, 2013 at 5:33 pm #

    I see that argument from time to time among the marginally informed.

    nbc: It was worse, he set up a strawman by claiming that people had argued that citizenship passed through the maternal line.

  49. avatar
    alg April 6, 2013 at 6:07 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    “I see that argument from time to time among the marginally informed.”

    I see that argument from time to time among the willfully confused. 🙂

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    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

    nbc: That’s not how a real police investigation works…

    And that’s because…………………….it’s not a real police investigation!!!

    What it is defies description but it definitely has nothing to do with professional police work.

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    Deborah April 6, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    In a way it’s just very simple. In order for the CCP to state affirmatively that the birth certificate is false, they must compare it to that which is true. But they do not have the microfilm, or an “original” (if there even is such a thing?), so they have no way to compare true and false. Nor are they entitled to it, just by virtue of the fact that the burden of proof is on the accuser.

    I have lately wondered if the founders knew from experience that this presidential eligibility clause in the Constitution could and would reveal not only “usurpers” but domestic seditionists as well. The Constitution is always twofold. In this case it has become evident that we want a president with a singular allegiance to the American Constitution, and not a dual allegiance, but it has also come to our attention that we do not want seditionists dividing the country in two.

    Now I think I understand why Edward Gibbons blamed Christians for the decline of Rome. It’s a good thing they don’t throw people to the lions anymore.

  52. avatar
    Deborah April 6, 2013 at 7:07 pm #

    I’m also going to research the methods of managing birth certificates in the founding days of America.

  53. avatar
    Deborah April 6, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    Without evidence, nothing whatsoever can become “self-evident.”

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    nbc April 6, 2013 at 7:45 pm #

    CarlOrcas: And that’s because…………………….it’s not a real police investigation!!!

    What it is defies description but it definitely has nothing to do with professional police work.

    You have a good point here. The whole approach has been to indict Obama, ignoring any evidence to the contrary, ridiculing people who have reasoned evidence as to why the MCCP is wrong in their claims, and a sharing of information with their ‘sponsors’. There is a clear conflict of interest when the MCCP is funded by birther moneys and when the MCCP shares its information with its sponsors and like-minded people.

    No wonder that no charges have been or will be filed. It’s a disaster waiting to unfold.

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    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    nbc: You have a good point here. The whole approach has been to indict Obama, ignoring any evidence to the contrary, ridiculing people who have reasoned evidence as to why the MCCP is wrong in their claims, and a sharing of information with their ‘sponsors’. There is a clear conflict of interest when the MCCP is funded by birther moneys and when the MCCP shares its information with its sponsors and like-minded people.

    No wonder that no charges have been or will be filed. It’s a disaster waiting to unfold.

    Actually it was another Arpaio publicity stunt whose time has now passed. Notice he has now moved on to exploiting the recent tragedies of kids killed in schools (see Steven Segal and the other posses) and the West Virginia sheriff shot down in his car.

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    nbc April 6, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    Is the MCCP a public agency? It would be interesting to use FOIA to gain access to the inner workings. Who has been funding the MCCP to go after our President? Why is it that the investigators freely share information with their sponsors, and appear on pro-birther shows?

    We know that they have lied several times already, as has been carefully documented by John Woodman and others.

    But in the end, why should we care… They are harmless

    Woof woof, all bark no bite.

    Still their ignorant arguments do bother me, as it should anyone interested in the truth.

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    Majority Will April 6, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    nbc:
    Is the MCCP a public agency? It would be interesting to use FOIA to gain access to the inner workings. Who has been funding the MCCP to go after our President? Why is it that the investigators freely share information with their sponsors, and appear on pro-birther shows?

    We know that they have lied several times already, as has been carefully documented by John Woodman and others.

    But in the end, why should we care… They are harmless

    Woof woof, all bark no bite.

    Still their ignorant arguments do bother me, as it should anyone interested in the truth.

    I would guess the checks are signed by Joseph Farah with a little smiley face hidden in the J.

  58. avatar
    Paper April 6, 2013 at 10:00 pm #

    You mean before they existed?

    Deborah:
    I’m also going to research the methods of managing birth certificates in the founding days of America.

  59. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 10:07 pm #

    nbc:
    Is the MCCP a public agency? It would be interesting to use FOIA to gain access to the inner workings. Who has been funding the MCCP to go after our President? Why is it that the investigators freely share information with their sponsors, and appear on pro-birther shows?

    We know that they have lied several times already, as has been carefully documented by John Woodman and others.

    But in the end, why should we care… They are harmless

    Woof woof, all bark no bite.

    Still their ignorant arguments do bother me, as it should anyone interested in the truth.

    Point by point:

    – No the Cold Case Posse is not a “public agency” in the same sense that your local police department is. It is a non-profit, public service corporation that is affiliated with the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office…..as are all the other posses with more realistic missions.

    Because it is affiliated with the MCSO its financials are not reported separately in an IRS 990 like stand alone non-profits. Local Phoenix media have had limited success, as I recall, in getting information on the posse via FOIA.

    – The Cold Case Posse (like all the posses) does NOT receive any funds from the sheriff’s office to fund its operations. Posses are supposed to be self funding via donations. That’s why the money spent on a certified deputy to “guard” Zullo while he was in Hawaii raised so many questions.

    – The reason Zullo (no one knows who else there is) is on internet radio programs spouting nonsense is because he’s not conducting an investigation. He’s running a publicity stunt for Sheriff Arpaio…..a stunt whose time is running out, in my opinion.

    To clarify…once again…..none of the posse members (there are several thousand in Maricopa County) are certified peace officers and as a result they have no authority to do any police work……no investigations, no arrests…..no nothing.

    In the end you are right. Anyone interested in the truth should be concerned by Arpaio’s repeated willingness to distort it for his own political purposes.

  60. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    Majority Will: I would guess the checks are signed by Joseph Farah with a little smiley face hidden in the J.

    Interesting observation: When was the last time you saw any birther coverage on WolrdNetDaily? It certainly looks like Farah has lost interest and that’s a sure sign the movement’s time in the sun is coming to and end.

  61. avatar
    Majority Will April 6, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Interesting observation: When was the last time you saw any birther coverage on WolrdNetDaily? It certainly looks like Farah has lost interest and that’s a sure sign the movement’s time in the sun is coming to and end.

    Regardless of the coverage, follow the history . . . CCP > Corsi ergo Farah.

  62. avatar
    john April 6, 2013 at 10:49 pm #

    Poor John Woodman. He really got thrown down the shaft. You can tell Zullo doesn’t like him one bit. But, as Zullo has indicated John Woodman has been marginalized. His book just hypothetical should of, would of and could of speculation while Zullo experts have been able to 100% verify their analysis. I do remember when John Woodman appeared on the Mark Gillar’s show, the other guest indicated that John Woodman’s analysis was simply nothing to crow about and they didn’t find relevant.

  63. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 6, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

    Have you read Woodman’s book?

    Zullo admitted before that he couldn’t even find an expert, so how do experts who won’t touch the birth certificate PDF verify anything? A birther claiming “I’m right” is not really anything you can take to court.

    john: His book just hypothetical should of, would of and could of speculation while Zullo experts have been able to 100% verify their analysis.

  64. avatar
    justlw April 6, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    john: Zullo experts have been able to 100% verify their analysis.

    That’s right! I forgot about that! What was the 100% URL, again? I need to go back and 100% look at all that verifying, there.

  65. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

    Majority Will: Regardless of the coverage, follow the history . . . CCP > Corsi ergo Farah.

    Oh, I don’t disagree about the parentage. Just noting that it looks like Farah has managed to milk the cow for all its worth and he’s putting it out to pasture.

  66. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 6, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

    john: But, as Zullo has indicated John Woodman has been marginalized.

    Zullo talking about someone else being “marginalized” is a hoot.

    Did you listen the show last night, John? If so……what new information did you hear about?

    Do you believe Zullo when he leaves the impression that he is a “cop”…..a certified peace officer in Arizona?

    The clock has run on this little charade, John.

  67. avatar
    john April 6, 2013 at 11:28 pm #

    Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts who are certified experts to look at the PDF and verified it to be a 100% forgery. In addition, Zullo has claimed his experts have able to find traces of Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop use on the PDF. As far I know, no experts on the Obot side has managed to verify this including John Woodman.

  68. avatar
    Deborah April 6, 2013 at 11:36 pm #

    Paper: Paper April 6, 2013 at 10:00 pm (Quote) #

    You mean before they existed?

    Deborah:
    I’m also going to research the methods of managing birth certificates in the founding days of America.

    Lol. Right now I am stuck on trying to find the birth certificate for a certain individual born in a manger. I want to know if the mother was listed on the certificate as a virgin, who they named as the father, and the method of determining citizenship in Nazareth. Was it determined according to the mother or the father? That’s as far back in the history as I have got. Somehow if I can locate this certificate, it will be proof of this individual’s existence and whether or not this individual has the right to inherit a kingdom or if he is a usurper to the throne. I’m surprised the birthers haven’t taken up this issue yet.

    I hate to be so irreverent, but more and more it is plain why religion needs to stay out of government.

  69. avatar
    Keith April 7, 2013 at 12:04 am #

    alg: He referred to himself as the “Commander” of the Cold Case Posse. Carl Gallups then says “so you are a cop?” Zullo replies “Yeah, I guess so.”

    I’m pretty sure there is a law in Arizona against impersonating an officer.

    This is such a strong attitude in AZ, at least when I lived there, that drivers are not required to stop when being signaled by an unmarked police car. Anyone can put a siren and flashing lights in their car after all. The recommendation was to continue traveling until you get to someplace you can be confident that you are ‘safe’ – like an open busy service station or an actual police station).

  70. avatar
    Keith April 7, 2013 at 12:20 am #

    Deborah:
    I’m also going to research the methods of managing birth certificates in the founding days of America.

    A reasonable starting place is Wikipedia. Of course if you need more specifics, you can review the article’s sources.

    First fact: there was no standard practice in America until at least 1900. Some states had birth certificate processes as early as the 1840’s I believe (reflecting ‘best practice’ following from the UK starting in 1837). In the “founding days” most records would have been kept in Church registries. I have traced my family line back to the Norman Conquest, and every generation before the early 1900’s comes from Church records.

  71. avatar
    nbc April 7, 2013 at 12:30 am #

    john:
    Poor John Woodman.He really got thrown down the shaft.You can tell Zullo doesn’t like him one bit.

    The excellent question by RC really forced Zullo to expose himself as a political hack. A brilliant move which will become even more relevant in the next few months.

    Watch my word 🙂

  72. avatar
    Deborah April 7, 2013 at 1:15 am #

    Keith: Keith April 7, 2013 at 12:20 am (Quote) #

    “…every generation before the early 1900′s comes from Church records.”

    Then I’m sure Jesus has one.

    Anyhow, I looked a little into wiki. Birth certificates originated as tax records, but also as proof of identity to partake of civic activities- so it’s a civics issue. There is a large number of undocumented children even today (as there is also illiteracy and infant mortality higher in some countries than others). It seems hard to imagine denying children library cards based on the fact that they don’t have a birth certificate.

    I found one posters article about a challenge to Hawaii’s requirement to list the parent’s race or else they would be penalized and denied a birth certificate of their daughter for a number of weeks. The couple lost that case in court and they were reprimanded by the court, but I think they may have started a trend. Even scientists agree that the word “race” is too ambiguous to be meaningful, and that there is really only one race, the human race.

  73. avatar
    Keith April 7, 2013 at 1:36 am #

    Deborah: Even scientists agree that the word “race” is too ambiguous to be meaningful, and that there is really only one race, the human race.

    Quite so. Race is a social construct (and quite a recent one at that), not a biological one.

  74. avatar
    Rickey April 7, 2013 at 1:41 am #

    john:
    Poor John Woodman.He really got thrown down the shaft.You can tell Zullo doesn’t like him one bit.But, as Zullo has indicated John Woodman has been marginalized.His book just hypothetical should of, would of and could of speculation while Zullo experts have been able to 100% verify their analysis.

    Once, when I was in grade school, the teacher mistakenly allowed me to grade my own test. I was able to 100% verify that all of my answers were correct.

  75. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 7, 2013 at 8:06 am #

    Given that Zullo, in the past, has used persons who were not experts, and called them experts, I think it would be irrational to think, based solely on what Zullo says, that they have anything different now. Zullo has a history of misrepresenting evidence, using cranks as experts and fabricating documents. It is a pattern of bad acts.

    But you are right, no one has verified any manipulation by Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop in any published report, and I would think it highly unlikely that any such manipulation ever happened.

    john: Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts who are certified experts to look at the PDF and verified it to be a 100% forgery. In addition, Zullo has claimed his experts have able to find traces of Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop use on the PDF. As far I know, no experts on the Obot side has managed to verify this including John Woodman.

  76. avatar
    DaveH April 7, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    It wouldn’t matter if the PDF were forged since the paper document is what is relevant and if one was ever required in a court hearing then the COLB that was obtained in 2007 would be admitted and accepted.

    And experts wouldn’t be able to find “traces” of Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop in a document. Since it was created by Mac OS X Preview, all metadata would have been stripped if the document had ever been opened by another application prior to being opened and saved again with Preview.

    What birthers fail to understand is that the scanned image could have been created with a crayon. All that matter is the information in the document matches what is on file with the State of Hawaii. The State of Hawaii has twice said that the images posted at the White House website matches what they have on file. The Hawaii Department of Health website even links to the White House website and they have a whole section devoted to the president’s birth certificate.

    john:
    Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts who are certified experts to look at the PDF and verified it to be a 100% forgery.In addition, Zullo has claimed his experts have able to find traces of Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop use on the PDF.As far I know, no experts on the Obot side has managed to verify this including John Woodman.

  77. avatar
    Majority Will April 7, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    You have a winning lottery ticket verified by your state lottery commission and you make a scan of the winning ticket to show your friends that you have the winning numbers on the winning ticket.

    The official ticket is still a winner. And birthers are still morons.

  78. avatar
    john April 7, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    Actually Hawaii has given conflicting and inconstistant statements regarding the validity of Obama’s birth certificate. Many of their statements and verfication contradict each other. I am not sure what Hawaii has in their vault regarding Obama’s birth in Hawaii, but I can you tell they are 100% involved in the cover up and are holding back documentation.

  79. avatar
    john April 7, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    Yes, Zullo’s experts have been to find traces of Adobe Illustrator and PhotoShop in the PDF, something the Obot experts have not been able to do (Zullo’s experts are good and know what they are doing.)

  80. avatar
    Reality Check April 7, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    I believe I am correct that Gallups did not refer to Zullo as “Lt.” Zullo during the broadcast and he definitely did not address this. I think Gallups has been reading here and other places an knows we were on to his use of the “Lt” moniker and what a joke it was.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Question to anyone who heard the thing, did they address “Lt.” Zullo?

  81. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2013 at 10:49 am #

    john:
    Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts who are certified experts to look at the PDF and verified it to be a 100% forgery.In addition, Zullo has claimed his experts have able to find traces of Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop use on the PDF.As far I know, no experts on the Obot side has managed to verify this including John Woodman.

    Probably because there are no traces it was brought into illustrator or paint shop as car salesman zullo originally claimed. There are no experts on zullos team.

  82. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2013 at 10:50 am #

    Reality Check:
    I believe I am correct that Gallups did not refer to Zullo as “Lt.” Zullo during the broadcast and he definitely did not address this. I think Gallups has been reading here and other places an knows we were on to his use of the “Lt” moniker and what a joke it was.

    I remember a caller referring to him as lt zullo and neither gallups nor zullo corrected it.

  83. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    Listening to the gallups stream zullo claimed he joined the posse in 2005 after he moved to Arizona. Now this could be construed as him making it seem like he moved to Arizona in 2005 in a previous interview with Arizona free press he said he moved to az in 1993

  84. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 11:15 am #

    john:
    Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts who are certified experts to look at the PDF and verified it to be a 100% forgery.In addition, Zullo has claimed his experts have able to find traces of Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop use on the PDF.As far I know, no experts on the Obot side has managed to verify this including John Woodman.

    “Seems”? In other words no one (You included, I presume?) has seen this new evidence.

    Why, John, do you think that if he has real evidence he hasn’t taken it to a prosecutor?

  85. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 11:35 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater:
    Listening to the gallups stream zullo claimed he joined the posse in 2005 after he moved to Arizona.Now this could be construed as him making it seem like he moved to Arizona in 2005 in a previous interview with Arizona free press he said he moved to az in 1993

    It also isn’t likely that he joined the Cold Case Posse in 2005 since he didn’t incorporate it until 12/29/2006. You can see the record at the Arizona Corporation Commission website http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/main.p and do a Business Entity search for:

    File Number: -1334289-0
    Corp. Name: THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF’S COLD CASE POSSE

    I have looked for information on the other incorporators and haven’t found anything.

  86. avatar
    donna April 7, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

    taitz’s own comment regarding her title: “there was an ad of new info being provided by Mike Zullo, Arpaio’s assistant. From what I understand there was no new information. Did anyone get any new information?”

    her comment “so, there was a lot of noise about this upcoming interview and new info was promissed. so, what was the info: that someone said that he found something? are you kidding me? they did a press conference to say that they found something, and they will make it public in half a year? that is what was said a year ago and nothing was done, no criminal complaint was filed”

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=412021#comments

  87. avatar
    richCares April 7, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    john: “Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts”
    As long as there are people like john, Zullo can continue his scam. Their desire to leave a legacy of complete ignorance is uncanny. (and not rational)

  88. avatar
    alg April 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

    richCares:
    john: “Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts”
    As long as there are people like john, Zullo can continue his scam. Their desire to leave a legacy of complete ignorance is uncanny. (and not rational)

    For people like john this is a religious belief. Just as the Bible tells us Mary was a virgin, so too are Zullo’s “experts” immaculately conceived.

  89. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    CarlOrcas: It also isn’t likely that he joined the Cold Case Posse in 2005 since he didn’t incorporate it until 12/29/2006. You can see the record at the Arizona Corporation Commission website http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/main.p and do a Business Entity search for:

    File Number:-1334289-0
    Corp. Name: THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF’S COLD CASE POSSE

    I have looked for information on the other incorporators and haven’t found anything.

    It seems he’s completely intent on changing his story and his background with each retelling. It’s funny how he claims the president has something to hide and yet it seems Mr Zullo does. According to his original story he moved to Arizona in 1993. In 1998 he incorporated Autotruth LLC and MZ Ventures. Ever since Zullo went public the Autotruth.com site went offline but you can still see it in the web archives.

  90. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: It seems he’s completely intent on changing his story and his background with each retelling.It’s funny how he claims the president has something to hide and yet it seems Mr Zullo does.According to his original story he moved to Arizona in 1993.In 1998 he incorporated Autotruth LLC and MZ Ventures.Ever since Zullo went public the Autotruth.com site went offline but you can still see it in the web archives.

    I have a recollection that Zullo’s father owned an auto dealership of some sort in the Phoenix area – probably Scottsdale – and that he was involved with that until it was sold and then he started Autotruth which was a purchasing service…..he’d shop for what you wanted and get you the best deal…..for a fee.

    Just did a quick check and there is stuff on Fogbow that seems plausible – http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7215&start=1000 – as it regards the family history and why he has the time to play cop.

  91. avatar
    US Citizen April 7, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    It’s funny that many birthers are bible thumpers who own bibles that are all copies, all edited and demonstrably different when compared to each other.
    No great call for the original copy and few if any claims to have read it.
    Yet all copies supposedly have the same, perfect, unalterable word of God.
    This is ironic enough, but when asked, their answer is that the “content” is important, not the form.
    For the Obama BC, it’s the opposite.
    There they want the form to be perfect and ignore that the content is always consistent.

    As for the bible, my personal take is that Mary got knocked up and tried to keep it a secret, finally having to give birth outside in a barn.
    To keep the story going, she claimed it was an immaculate conception. Gullible and trustful people believed her then and for years on.
    So as the child grew up, people referred to him as special.
    Perhaps the son of God.

    Over time, and like internet memes, it all continued being told, embellished and finally honed into the detailed account it is now.
    But in my opinion, it was originally just a cover story made up for social conformity and reputation retention.

    Then again, I have weird views on the bible.
    In my opinion, we’re all products of incest, but try and say that in a church.
    The fact remains tho: who else did Adam and Eve’s kids fool around with if not their own brothers, sisters and parents? 😉

  92. avatar
    Rickey April 7, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    john:
    Well, it seems like Zullo has indeed managed to find experts who are certified experts to look at the PDF and verified it to be a 100% forgery.

    So who are his experts and what are their qualifications? It’s easy to make claims when you don’t have to back them up with actual names and evidence.

    I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five people that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department. – Senator Joseph R. McCarthy

  93. avatar
    misha marinsky April 7, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

    US Citizen: my personal take is that Mary got knocked up and tried to keep it a secret, finally having to give birth outside in a barn.

    Two elderly Jewish gentlemen decided it was getting late, and they needed to find a room for the night. As they passed one hotel, one man says to the other, “Why don’t we try this one?” The other says, “Are you crazy? It says on the sign this is a restricted hotel. They don’t let Jews in!” The first man replies, “Restricted, reschmicted. Let’s go in and have a little fun. Just let me do all the talking.”

    Man: (in Yiddish accent) We vant a room!

    Clerk: I’m sorry, but this is a RESTRICTED hotel. We do NOT allow Jewish people to stay here.

    Man: Vhat makes you think I’m Jewish? I’m just as Christian as you are! Come on, ask me a Christian question!

    Clerk: OK. OK. Where was Jesus born?

    Man: Such a question! Everybody knows Jesus was born in a stable. Come on, ask me another Christian question!

    Clerk: Look. I know you are Jewish and you are not staying here!

    Man: Come on, ask me a question. Ask me, “What for was Jesus born in a stable!”

    Clerk: All right! Why was Jesus born in a stable?!

    Man: Because a schmuck like you wouldn’t give his mother a room either!

  94. avatar
    misha marinsky April 7, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Why, John, do you think that if he has real evidence he hasn’t taken it to a prosecutor?

    Yeah, he held a press conference. [snicker]

  95. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 7, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    What experts are those, and what are their credentials?

    🙄

    john: Yes, Zullo’s experts have been to find traces of Adobe Illustrator and PhotoShop in the PDF, something the Obot experts have not been able to do (Zullo’s experts are good and know what they are doing.)

  96. avatar
    john April 7, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

  97. avatar
    Reality Check April 7, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    Once again this scene fits Birthers so well.

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=q6-rQ6Jay6w&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq6-rQ6Jay6w

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

  98. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    Couple questions John:

    1 – He can’t disclose who the experts are now because it isn’t “the appropriate time and to the appropriate people” but he can can talk about it on a call-in radio show on the internet and that’s okay with you?

    Do you see any other real “criminal investigation” where real police officers are doing this sort of thing?

    2 – What “criminal investigation”? You are aware, John, that Zullo is not an Arizona peace officer and has no authority to conduct sort of “criminal investigation”?

    3 – And, finally, what is the “appropriate time” and who are the “appropriate people”?

  99. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 7, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    Birthers before Friday’s show: Zullo is going to expose everything, and blow it all WIDE open! He is going to lay it all out on the table! Obama’s days are officially numbered, starting today!

    Birthers after Friday’s show: Well, you see it is an ongoing criminal investigation, he can’t say anything. But in six months, boy howdy! He is going to expose everything, and blow it all WIDE open! He is going to lay it all out on the table!

  100. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Once again this scene fits Birthers so well.

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=q6-rQ6Jay6w&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq6-rQ6Jay6w

    “top men”…….that’s them!!!! Is that Zullo in the background????

    FYI…..switch to Desk Top view if you aren’t looking at it on a mobile device.

  101. avatar
    Daniel April 7, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    You mean until he’s sucked the paypal well dry…

  102. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    If it was a criminal investigation he would be turning over information to a prosecutor instead of having some non-employee used car salesman beg for donations.

  103. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2013 at 5:27 pm #

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    Fellatio friday sure was a hit for Zullo as he still has gullible saps like you covering up for him

  104. avatar
    Dave B. April 7, 2013 at 5:57 pm #

    They haven’t even been able to verify that they’re experts.

    john: Zullo experts have been able to 100% verify their analysis.

  105. avatar
    Dave B. April 7, 2013 at 6:02 pm #

    Either they’re good or they know what they are doing. You can’t have it both ways, John. If they know what they’re doing, and they keep on doing it, they’re not just no good, they’re just plain lowdown.

    john: Zullo’s experts are good and know what they are doing.

  106. avatar
    Dave B. April 7, 2013 at 6:12 pm #

    If I’m not mistaken, it was his father who incorporated MZ Ventures.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: According to his original story he moved to Arizona in 1993. In 1998 he incorporated Autotruth LLC and MZ Ventures. Ever since Zullo went public the Autotruth.com site went offline but you can still see it in the web archives.

  107. avatar
    G April 7, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

    It certainly is!

    That being said, in terms of your statements about looking for birth certificates before the days of birth certificates, religion would ironically be that source of birth documentation, as many folks births in those days were simply written down as a notation added to the family bible or similar religious text… that is often what many genealogists have to go by when tracking down ancestry.

    Deborah: I hate to be so irreverent, but more and more it is plain why religion needs to stay out of government.

  108. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

    Dave B.:
    If I’m not mistaken, it was his father who incorporated MZ Ventures.

    Do you know what year his father died?

  109. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Do you know what year his father died?

    I believe one thing I read said 2010.

  110. avatar
    SluggoJD April 7, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

    john:
    Actually Hawaii has given conflicting and inconstistant statements regarding the validity of Obama’s birth certificate.Many of their statements and verfication contradict each other.I am not sure what Hawaii has in their vault regarding Obama’s birth in Hawaii, but I can you tell they are 100% involved in the cover up and are holding back documentation.

    That’s a blatant lie, not worthy of even comedy relief.

    I hope you throw up the next time you look in the mirror.

  111. avatar
    Serpico April 7, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    I agree John. Since it is a criminal investigation, it’s best mot to reveal any of your expert sources until the appropriate time. Therefore you avoid things like witness intimidation .

  112. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

    Serpico: I agree John. Since it is a criminal investigation, it’s best mot to reveal any of your expert sources until the appropriate time. Therefore you avoid things like witness intimidation .

    Your name notwithstanding it isn’t a “criminal investigation” and your Mr. Twisty inspired effort to justify what Zullo did is just laughable.

    If there were witnesses the last thing a real police officer would do at this point in time is disclose that they existed…….especially to callers on a talk radio program.

  113. avatar
    nbc April 7, 2013 at 10:05 pm #

    john:
    “What experts are those, and what are their credentials?”

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    Yes, how convenient and of course, he is sharing it with his birther hosts and supporters…

  114. avatar
    nbc April 7, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    john:
    Actually Hawaii has given conflicting and inconstistant statements regarding the validity of Obama’s birth certificate.

    Nothing Hawaii has said is in any way conflicting…

    Simple really…

    But that does not prevent John from repeating such falsehoods.

    Fukino

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

    Original vital records: The long from birth certificate on file

    “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

    Original birth certificate on record…

    Poor John, hoping to prove a Hawaiian conspiracy will require a bit more than wishful thinking.

  115. avatar
    Rickey April 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    john:

    As Zullo has said this, this is criminal investigation so that information may not be disclosed until the appropriate time and to the appropriate people.

    It were a real criminal investigation it would be investigated by real police detectives.

  116. avatar
    Rickey April 7, 2013 at 10:13 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I believe one thing I read said 2010.

    Correct. May 28, 2010 per the Social Security Death Index.

  117. avatar
    nbc April 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    Rickey: It were a real criminal investigation it would be investigated by real police detectives.

    Not people who are funded by donations and supported by known anti-Obama people. Furthermore, no real investigation would so haphazardly reject the findings by people like John Woodman.

    Well, they have done so at their own risk of looking really foolish since most of the ‘claimed’ discrepancies can be explained by algorithms used to compress the file.

    Embarrassing?… To some it would be…

  118. avatar
    Rickey April 7, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

    Serpico: I agree John. Since it is a criminal investigation, it’s best mot to reveal any of your expert sources until the appropriate time. Therefore you avoid things like witness intimidation .

    Hello, posse members are not cops, and do not possess the authority of police officers.

    Basically, they’re just old farts with badges and uniforms that look just like sheriff’s deputies uniforms. Sometimes they have guns.

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2013/01/joe_arpaios_posse_not_post_tra.php

  119. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

    Rickey: Correct. May 28, 2010 per the Social Security Death Index.

    Looking at the Arizona Corporation Commission records there are two Michael Zullo’s…..Michael J. and Michael P. (I think).

    Our Zullo is one of them even though he uses just Mike for the Cold Case Posse incorporation.

    The other, I think, is his father and there may also be a brother. I’m starting to recall that dad retired from back east (New Jersey?) where I think he had been in the car business. He started a dealership on McDowell Road in Scottsdale and sold it before he died.

    There was a significant estate and I believe Mike is living on his share and may even be living in his folks north Scottsdale house. The last time I recall hearing anything his mother was still alive.

  120. avatar
    Serpico April 7, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Your name notwithstanding it isn’t a “criminal investigation” and your Mr. Twisty inspired effort to justify what Zullo did is just laughable.

    If there were witnesses the last thing a real police officer would do at this point in time is disclose that they existed…….especially to callers on a talk radio program.

    I disagree. It IS a official investigation by the Colld Case Posse using resources from the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. According to Zullo in the interview, they are about to have the case taken up by legal entity with big credentials.

  121. avatar
    Serpico April 7, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Looking at the Arizona Corporation Commission records there are two Michael Zullo’s…..Michael J. and Michael P. (I think).

    Our Zullo is one of them even though he uses just Mike for the Cold Case Posse incorporation.

    The other, I think, is his father and there may also be a brother. I’m starting to recall that dad retired from back east (New Jersey?) where I think he had been in the car business. He started a dealership on McDowell Road in Scottsdale and sold it before he died.

    There was a significant estate and I believe Mike is living on his share and may even be living in his folks north Scottsdale house. The last time I recall hearing anything his mother was still alive.

    Why is Zullo’s personal life of interest to you? That’s pretty creepy.

  122. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

    Rickey: Hello, posse members are not cops, and do not possess the authority of police officers.


    Basically, they’re just old farts with badges and uniforms that look just like sheriff’s deputies uniforms. Sometimes they have guns.

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2013/01/joe_arpaios_posse_not_post_tra.php

    One of Arpaio’s dodges is that he can essentially anoint posse members and turn them into real peace officers any time he wants. As the AZPOST official notes in the Phoenix Times article that is nonsense.

    There is (or was) a provision in Arizona law that says a police officer can summon a person (adult male is the way it used to read) to his aid in an emergency and that person will have the officer’s powers for duration of the emergency. In the early part of the 20th century it was used during disasters and when real posse was need to pursue a real bad guy. That’s probably what Arpaio is trying to turn into an end run around AZPOST. It won’t work.

  123. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    Serpico: I disagree. It IS aofficial investigation by the Colld Case Posse using resources from the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. According to Zullo in the interview, they are about to have the case taken up by legal entity with big credentials.

    The Cold Case Posse does not have the authority to write a parking ticket……don’t you understand that? Arpaio has repeatedly assured the voters of Maricopa County that the “investigation” is NOT…..repeat NOT……using departmental resources. So someone is lying…..Arpaio? Zullo?

    As far as Zullo’s claim that a “legal entity with big credentials” is going to take over the case is concerned one word pops immediately to mind……bullshit!

  124. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    Serpico: Why is Zullo’s personal life of interest to you? That’s pretty creepy.

    What’s creepy is that you haven’t looked into this guy yourself.

    Everything I have said here has been reported by the media in Phoenix over the last four or five years. The Phoenix New Times has probably done the best reporting. KPHO TV has done some good stuff and so has The Arizona Republic.

    It’s their familiarity with him that is the reason that no one shows up at his press conferences any more

  125. avatar
    donna April 7, 2013 at 11:26 pm #

    Criminal pasts don’t disqualify members of Arpaio posse

    “They have as much power as the deputy wants to give them, including the power to arrest under the supervision of that deputy,” said Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    Arpaio wants his army of 3,000 volunteer posse members to look like sworn deputies and sometimes perform the same duties. But an in-depth project by CBS 5 Investigates uncovered a number of posse members with arrests for assault, drug possession, domestic violence, sex crimes against children, disorderly conduct, impersonating an officer – and the list goes on.

    http://www.kpho.com/story/17159125/criminal-pasts-dont-disqualify-members-of-arpaio-posse

  126. avatar
    Rickey April 7, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    Serpico: I disagree. It IS aofficial investigation by the Colld Case Posse using resources from the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

    An official investigation? Even if everything which Zullo alleges is true, what Arizona laws have been broken? Please cite specific statutes.

    According to Zullo in the interview, they are about to have the case taken up by legal entity with big credentials.

    Yeah, any day now.

    How many months have to pass without the case being “taken up” before you will admit that you have been duped? Three months? Six months? Let me know and I will mark my calendar.

  127. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2013 at 11:36 pm #

    Serpico: I disagree. It IS aofficial investigation by the Colld Case Posse using resources from the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. According to Zullo in the interview, they are about to have the case taken up by legal entity with big credentials.

    The Cold Case Posse does not have the authority to write a parking ticket……don’t you understand that? Arpaio has repeatedly assured the voters of Maricopa County that the “investigation” is NOT…..repeat NOT……using departmental resources. So someone is lying…..Arpaio? Zullo?

    As far as Zullo’s claim that a “legal entity with big credentials” is going to take over the case is concerned one word pops immediately to mind……pooh pooh!! (Note the first term I used sent my message to moderation and I suspect it’s past Doc’s bedtime so I fixed it.)

  128. avatar
    richCares April 8, 2013 at 1:05 am #

    Serpico = “…, they are about to have the case taken up by legal entity with big credentials.”

    the chance of this being true is about the same as winning 3 lottery millions in a row, remember that when it’s certain that Zullo failed, Zullo will be a called a liar (note that Sheriff Joe is no longer involved in this fiasco)

  129. avatar
    Deborah April 8, 2013 at 1:07 am #

    misha marinsky: misha marinsky April 7, 2013 at 3:07 pm (Quote) #

    Come on, ask me another Christian question!

    Funny- except when I think about how the Jews and Muslims were forced to convert to Christianity during the Spanish inquisition- but the Catholic church never provided them with any “Christian training!” So when they could not “practice” as Christians, they were interrogated and tried and convicted as “false Christians.” Some were burned at the stake.

    Then the remark is not funny. It is sad.

  130. avatar
    Deborah April 8, 2013 at 1:39 am #

    Maybe John just really wants to believe there is such a thing as “power to the people.” And it’s true that many grass roots reforms start from the bottom up. But in this case it is sedition from the bottom up- rebellion from the bottom up, and all based on false pretenses. Sooner or later it will become exhausting to those involved in it. Look how much work Orly expects her “following” to do…

    “New line of attack! Start recalling all the elected officials.” Oh yeah, right, Orly.

    BTW, I just read tonight that Maricopa County has reached more than half of the signatures required to recall Arpaio, with two months left to acquire the remaining signatures. THAT is grass-roots, “power to the people” political reform.

    I’m interested in judicial reform, myself- and my posts on the legal briefs etc. will reflect that. I am opposed to “consensus law” as I define it- where so many bad cases are brought that any legitimate case is automatically biased against.

  131. avatar
    The Magic M April 8, 2013 at 5:40 am #

    CarlOrcas: And, finally, what is the “appropriate time” and who are the “appropriate people”?

    I guess that belief stems from the “once we got a Republican President and a Republican (super-)majority in Congress, impeachment hearings and discovery into the birth certificate will start right away” meme that we’ve seen from birthers before the 2010 and the 2012 elections.

  132. avatar
    Thinker April 8, 2013 at 5:49 am #

    It’s been awhile since I was dumfounded by something a birfer said. I think the last time was when Orly and Hermitian came up with the “forgery of a forgery” theory. That theory represents such a fundamental misunderstanding of reality that I still have trouble accepting that real live human beings actually believe it. But I am dumbfounded that the birfers posting here *still* believe that Zullo the Clown is going to come up with something big

    ANY

    DAY

    NOW.

    It’s been a year and a half since this “investigation” started. They haven’t come up with anything new. They don’t have anything that even remotely resembles legally admissible evidence of a crime committed by anyone. Their own district attorney told them their case sucks and won’t take it. Teabagger heroes like Allen West have laughed at their buffoonery. There’s no “there” there, losers. Zullo and Gallups are lying to you. Wise up. Geez.

  133. avatar
    Keith April 8, 2013 at 6:23 am #

    The Magic M: I guess that belief stems from the “once we got a Republican President and a Republican (super-)majority in Congress, impeachment hearings and discovery into the birth certificate will start right away” meme that we’ve seen from birthers before the 2010 and the 2012 elections.

    That would be interesting… a Republican Congress (with a Super-majority) impeaching a Republican President. For what? Doing what the Republican Congress wants him to do? Sounds worthwhile to me.

    Maybe what the Republicans are longing for is a new Oliver Cromwell.

  134. avatar
    Northland10 April 8, 2013 at 7:14 am #

    Daniel: You mean until he’s sucked the paypal well dry…

    When time runs out on the Statute of Limitations, will Zullo still be plugging for more donations? Will John and Serpico still claim, any day now?

    I like asking easy questions.

    Tick tock…

  135. avatar
    Kiwiwriter April 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm #

    I missed the show, and it appears I didn’t miss much…”any day now, send more money.” The two bottom lines.

    One thing that this does remind me of: after the Reichstag Fire, the Nazis passed various bills through the intimidated Reichstag (convening at the Kroll Opera House), and one of them made the SA Storm Troopers, the “Brownshirt” bullyboys of the Nazi movement, into “Auxiliary Police Officers,” who answered to their SA chains of command, not to the police chains of command.

    The SA chain led up to the pedophile Ernst Rohm (himself whacked in 1934 by the Nazis in the “Night of the Long Knives”) and from there to Fatso Goering and Hitler.

    Armed with “police powers,” but not held to any accountability of real police or prosecutors, the SA basically stormed the offices of opposing political parties (mostly the Communists), the homes of various opponents (personal or political), and, of course, the Jews. The Brownshirts didn’t have to worry about being prosecuted for this behavior, because they were “cops.”

    A whole bunch of Hitler’s opponents wound up in the newly-opened Oranienburg Concentration Camp, and then Dachau, starting the trail of terror that the SS would take over.

    After the arrests and dismantling of the opposition parties, the Reichstag passed the “Enabling Acts” that united the Nazi Party and the government, and eliminated all forms of opposition to Der Fuehrer, and Nazi Germany was pretty much up and running.

    Incidentally, right after the post Reichstag-fire terror, the Nazis did the famous book-burning in the streets of cities, with university students and Hitler Youth happily tossing the books of great thinkers. Goebbels himself said at the time, “We do not want to be known as the nation of Goethe. Not by any account.”

    Well, they weren’t.

    I think these guys were models for some of the Birthers.

  136. avatar
    Dave B. April 8, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    Michael J. Zullo, September 29, 1928– May 28, 2010, RIP.
    http://www.tributes.com/show/Michael-J.-Zullo-88666483

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Do you know what year his father died?

  137. avatar
    Dave B. April 8, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    Zullo has represented himself as this super-sleuth with all this investigative experience, and inquiring minds want to know if he’s on the up-and-up. And as it turns out, he’s not.
    The real Serpico would understand this.

    Serpico: Why is Zullo’s personal life of interest to you? That’s pretty creepy.

  138. avatar
    Reality Check April 8, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    Since it isn’t a real criminal investigation it doesn’t matter what they reveal or make up. It is all for show to satisfy a bunch of old fart teabaggers from AZ and collect donations.

    Serpico: I agree John. Since it is a criminal investigation, it’s best mot to reveal any of your expert sources until the appropriate time. Therefore you avoid things like witness intimidation .

  139. avatar
    sfjeff April 8, 2013 at 4:35 pm #

    “they are about to have the case taken up by legal entity with big credentials.”

    What the hell is a ‘legal entity’?

    Well I think I am, and I think a corporation is. What I don’t think it would be would be a law enforcement agency.

    I smell the whiff of another Birther law suit….

    Zullo is the one who signed a book deal with a Birther author BEFORE starting the ‘so-called’ investigation and Birthers eat up what this POS spreads.

    Anyone who believes in Zullo and Co. at this point in the game is willingly gullible or just a complete idiot.

  140. avatar
    nbc April 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Since it isn’t a real criminal investigation it doesn’t matter what they reveal or make up. It is all for show to satisfy a bunch of old fart teabaggers from AZ and collect donations.

    I had missed that part:

    03/01/2012

    The investigative team has asked Arpaio, who is at a news conference in Phoenix live-streamed by WND TV that began at 3 p.m. Eastern time, to elevate the investigation to a criminal probe that will make available the resources of his Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

    Did Arpaia ever elevate the investigation.

  141. avatar
    nbc April 8, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

    DId not Mike Zullo claim that he joined the CCP earlier than when Arpaio put together the posse to investigate Obama’s birth certificate?

    I have found no references as to when he joined.

  142. avatar
    JD Reed April 8, 2013 at 4:59 pm #

    Serpico:” I agree John. Since it is a criminal investigation, it’s best not to reveal any of your expert sources until the appropriate time. Therefore you avoid things like witness intimidation .”

    Also, by avoiding naming names, you avoid revealing that you don’t have any expert sources, and that you just made stuff up.

    Serpico: “(T)hey are about to have the case taken up by legal entity with big credentials.”

    And you believe this based on … ?

    Serpico: “Why is Zullo’s personal life of interest to you? That’s pretty creepy.”

    You either willfully or cluelessly distorted what this is about. It’s not Zullo’s PERSONAL life that’s at issue, it’s his PROFESSIONAL life. This would hold a great deal of relevance in evaluating his credibility … such as it is.

  143. avatar
    nbc April 8, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

    He testified in a deposition that he was assigned to the Posse in 2007

  144. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 8, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    nbc: He testified in a deposition that he was assigned to the Posse in 2007

    That’ would be a neat trick since he didn’t incorporate the posse until Dec. 28 the following year…..2008.

    At that point Obama had been elected but not sworn in and (I don’t have the timeline handy) hadn’t questions already been raised about Obama’s birth?

  145. avatar
    nbc April 8, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

    Since 2007, I have been duly appointed by the elected sherriff of Maricopa County Arizona, Joseph Arpaio, as the chief investigator of the cold case posse…

    Hmmm sworn under oath as well

  146. avatar
    nbc April 8, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    Doug Clark The Maricopa County Sheriffs Cold Case Posse 6009 W. Pinchot Ave., Phoenix, 85033.

    Newly incorporated businesses.
    May. 3, 2007 12:00 AM

    http://www.azcentral.com/abgnews/articles/0503abg-articles0503.html

  147. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 8, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    nbc: I had missed that part:

    03/01/2012

    Did Arpaia ever elevate the investigation.

    No, he didn’t. In fact he ended up promising the Board of Supervisors that no taxpayer money would be spent on the Quixotic charade.

  148. avatar
    nbc April 8, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    CarlOrcas: No, he didn’t. In fact he ended up promising the Board of Supervisors that no taxpayer money would be spent on the Quixotic charade.

    So Arpaio COULD have turned this into a criminal investigation but did not….

    Quite telling…

  149. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 8, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

    nbc:
    Doug Clark The Maricopa County Sheriffs Cold Case Posse 6009 W. Pinchot Ave., Phoenix, 85033.

    Newly incorporated businesses.
    May. 3, 2007 12:00 AM

    http://www.azcentral.com/abgnews/articles/0503abg-articles0503.html

    My mistake. In a previous message where someone had him mentioning he had joined in 2005 I checked the corporation commission records and found out it was a year later – Dec. 28,2006. Incorporation was approved in February 2007.

    Zullo was among the original incorporators.

  150. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 8, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    nbc: So Arpaio COULD have turned this into a criminal investigation but did not….

    Quite telling…

    Indeed it is.

  151. avatar
    Reality Check April 8, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

    In the beginning of the interview on Gallups show last Friday Zullo said “In 2005, I believe it was, after moving to Arizona I joined the Sheriff’s posse and subsequently in 2007 I was asked by Sheriff Arpaio to head up the newly formed Cold Case Posse”.

    The date is at odds with other sources that indicate Zullo moved from NJ to AZ in 1993.

    nbc:
    DId not Mike Zullo claim that he joined the CCP earlier than when Arpaio put together the posse to investigate Obama’s birth certificate?

    I have found no references as to when he joined.

  152. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 8, 2013 at 6:21 pm #

    Reality Check: In the beginning of the interview on Gallups show last Friday Zullo said “In 2005, I believe it was, after moving to Arizona I joined the Sheriff’s posse and subsequently in 2007 I was asked by Sheriff Arpaio to head up the newly formed Cold Case Posse”.

    2005 is what I recall hearing when I listened to the first segment.

    And, of course, 2005 is “after” 1993.

    No need nit picking things……like some people.

  153. avatar
    nbc April 8, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

    So far I see nothing really that would lead me to doubt Zullo’s descriptions.

  154. avatar
    RanScot April 12, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

    No substantiation presented in any posts.

    Evidence of BO’s BC?

    The constructed BC in PDF form does not cut it — many fabrication signs.

    No physical BC has been photographed, filmed or otherwise.

    Why does BO have a Conn SS#, originally issued to a person whom died in the 1970s?

    Why are the airline records for the days of Stanley Dunlam flying to & from Kenya deleted?

  155. avatar
    RanScot April 12, 2013 at 11:26 pm #

    Reality Check:
    “In 2005, after moving to Arizona I joined the Sheriff’s posse…”.

    The date is at odds with other sources that indicate Zullo moved from NJ to AZ in 1993.

    What is the “at odds” discrepancy?
    Does it need to be explained?
    2005 is after 1993
    There is no indication of “”immediately” or “same year” or other.

    You might have a problem with math, & overall comprehension.
    Please learn.

  156. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 12, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    OK, let me recall you to the real world.

    First there is solid evidence of Obama’s birth certificate including two verifications of it from the Hawaii Department of Health directly to the Secretaries of State of Arizona and Kansas, a fact that birthers conveniently ignore.

    Second, no qualified expert has ever said that there are any “fabrication signs.” That’s just what birthers say, and what their volunteer self-appointed gurus say. It has no basis in evidence.

    Third, there is a physical birth certificate; it was shown to the press at a press briefing the morning before Obama announced its release, and NBC News White House correspondent Savannah Guthrie took a picture of it and that has been available on her Lockerz page for over a year.

    Who exactly is this person whose social-security number you claim Obama is using? You don’t know because there is no such person. Lots of people have social-security numbers that don’t match their residence states. I don’t know for sure why, but I know it happens.

    The microfilm records of a few days INS forms from Hawaii are not available because the feeder jammed when they were being filmed. The jam is visible on the film. However, this is irrelevant because anyone returning to the US from Kenya in ’61 would have come by New York, and the New York records aren’t the ones not available. Further INS statistical reports say that NO us citizen arrived by air from Kenya that year, so the issue is non-existent (and further proof that Obama wasn’t born in Kenya).

    So all your objections are just so much false information and nonsense, proving once again that birthers are lacking in critical thinking skills.

    RanScot:
    No substantiation presented in any posts.

    Evidence of BO’s BC?

    The constructed BC in PDF form does not cut it — many fabrication signs.

    No physical BC has been photographed, filmed or otherwise.

    Why does BO have a Conn SS#, originally issued to a person whom died in the 1970s?

    Why are the airline records for the days of Stanley Dunlam flying to & from Kenya deleted?

  157. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 12, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    Your apology of what Zullo said is contrary to normal English usage.

    RanScot: There is no indication of “”immediately” or “same year” or other.

  158. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 13, 2013 at 12:07 am #

    RanScot: Why are the airline records for the days of Stanley Dunlam flying to & from Kenya deleted?

    Doc has taken care of answering your questions but I do have one for you:

    How do you know she flew anywhere if the records have been deleted?

  159. avatar
    dunstvangeet April 13, 2013 at 1:01 am #

    RanScot:
    Evidence of BO’s BC?

    How about the Hawaii Department of Health. Exact quote from their spokesman when talking about the COLB that he released in 2008, “It’s a valid Hawaii State Birth Certificate.”

    They have since verified the Long-Form Birth Certificate at least twice, verifying that Obama was born in the State of Hawaii. Once to the Arizona Secretary of State, and once to the Court in Mississippi.

    The constructed BC in PDF form does not cut it — many fabrication signs.

    And yet, the Hawaii Department of Health has directly said that Obama was born in Hawaii multiple times.

    No physical BC has been photographed, filmed or otherwise.

    Both the COLB and the LFBC have both done. The COLB was photographed by Factcheck, and they released it in a series of 9 photographs. Here’s the first photograph: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

    Replace the 1 with any number of 1-9 to see photographs of the COLB.

    As far as the LFBC, Obama brought it to the press conference that he released it. Savanah Guthrie said that she felt the seal, and took photographs of it, but it was filmed as part of the event.

    Why does BO have a Conn SS#, originally issued to a person whom died in the 1970s?

    And who would this be? If he died in the 1970s, then obviously he’d be part of the Social Security Death Index, and therefore you should have no problem linking me to his record on it. Familysearch.org has free access to it. Barack Obama’s old SSN has been made public. (He has since gotten another one).

    Why are the airline records for the days of Stanley Dunlam flying to & from Kenya deleted?

    You mean the trip that would have taken over a week, and yet we know that Obama was back in Hawaii 4 days after he was born to register his birth in Hawaii. Furthermore, let me ask you these questions…

    1. We know that Barack Obama Sr. did not leave the country. He was taking summer classes at the University of Hawaii during that time. So, my question is why would Stanley Ann Durham fly half-way across the world to give birth in a foreign land where she had met nobody, then instead of going to her husband’s village, going 200 miles in the wrong direction to get to Mombasa, to give birth there? Why wouldn’t she just stay at home, where her mother and husband were? There are so many holes in your alternative theory that we can drive a Tank through.

  160. avatar
    Majority Will April 13, 2013 at 4:18 am #

    RanScot: You might have a problem with math, & overall comprehension.
    Please learn.

    Irony meter abuse.

  161. avatar
    Paper April 13, 2013 at 8:09 am #

    Why do you believe untrue things?

    RanScot:

    Why …?

    Why …?

  162. avatar
    Dave B. April 13, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    Another poor victim of Corsi’s First Law of Evidence. I can’t remember what the Second Law is right now.

    RanScot: Why are the airline records for the days of Stanley Dunlam flying to & from Kenya deleted?