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The Obama Presidential Library

The George W. Bush Presidential Library has been in the news of late, and I understand that George Washington’s library is coming soon. Leave it to the Obama’s critics to take this occasion to say something nasty about Barack Obama, and Ed Lasky used the topic as a jumping off point for a a bit of fantasy published at The American Thinker. Of interest to us is the section dedicated to what Lasky imagines will not be in the library:

There will be vast areas of empty space that normally would be allocated to showcase accomplishments that led to the presidency. There will be no shelves taken up with such things as college transcripts…

To Lasky’s credit, Obama’s birth certificate is not among the imagined missing documents—that topic was raised by someone else today.

On this afternoon’s NPR News Quiz, Wait Wait, Don’t Tell Me, the closing political predictions question asked the panelists was what would be “the big exhibit the Obama Presidential Library”, and Maz Jobrani answered:

Obviously, a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate, with the caption: “Ha Ha.” (Big laugh from the audience.)

That led me to wonder whether Obama’s long-form birth certificate would be part of the exhibit at the real future Obama Presidential Library. While the birther nonsense is unimportant to the big picture of the Obama presidency, it is hardly something that can be ignored. I can hardly think of a better thumb of the nose to the birthers than to include one of the certified copies from Hawaii at the library. 😉

Update:

Apparently Obama read this article because a few hours after its publication, the President, addressing the annual White House Correspondents Dinner, mentioned how people had suggested that his presidential library should be in his birth place but he said he preferred it to be in the United States.

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94 Responses to The Obama Presidential Library

  1. avatar
    alg April 27, 2013 at 7:31 pm #

    I would certainly hope that Mr. Obama’s Presidential Library does include something regarding the “birther” story. In addition to providing something humorous for visitors to enjoy, it is also an excellent example of the culture and context of the times in which he served.

    I had the good fortune last year to visit the Nixon Library in Yorba Linda, California. I have never been a fan of the man, nor will I ever be. But the exhibits gave me a good appreciation and understanding of him and how he fit in with the events our times and history. The Watergate exhibit was particularly frank and honest. It did not attempt to sugarcoat and excuse the man for the choices he made. It simply told the story as factually and as balanced as possible. It was very well done.

    Ah…now just imagine for a moment an Orly Taitz Library. 🙂

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    Jim April 27, 2013 at 8:25 pm #

    I’ve had the opportunity to visit the Clinton, LBJ, and Lincoln libraries. Great look at the times that these men led the country. I’m going to visit more as I can.

    I’ve already seen the plans, they are going to have a “birther” wing. The door will have the framed copies of the short and long form BC’s…it will be in the 2nd sub basement…right behind the eco-friendly trash recycler.

  3. avatar
    Deborah April 27, 2013 at 9:04 pm #

    This birth certificate issue was a very significant study into the Constitution and the eligibility requirements. Anyone who did not pay attention to the issue missed out on an important, unprecedented historical, political and social event. Anyone who is not clear on the birth certificate issue can only have a fuzzy peripheral understanding of many of the controversial issues surrounding the Obama Presidency. There is plenty of time for scholars to write comprehensive literature on the subject to be included in a presidential library.

    Moving on in my studies now to yellow journalism, McCarthyism, socialism and communism…

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    Lani April 27, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

    Deborah:
    This birth certificate issue was a very significant study into the Constitution and the eligibility requirements. Anyone who did not pay attention to the issue missed out on an important, unprecedented historical, political and social event. Anyone who is not clear on the birth certificate issue can only have a fuzzy peripheral understanding of many of the controversial issues surrounding the Obama Presidency. There is plenty of time for scholars to write comprehensive literature on the subject to be included in a presidential library.

    Moving on in my studies now to yellow journalism, McCarthyism, socialism and communism…

    I’m not sure if that was snark… or not. But just in case not:

    The “birth certificate issue” was, if anything, a study in racism. It was just a piece of the overall effort to turn Obama into the “other”, a scary, foreign, commie, dark skinned elitist. Eligibility requirements were well settled long ago, and no one ever gave a damn about birth certificates until it appeared possible that candidate Obama could win the election.

    The Courts never seriously considered the eligibility ‘ïssue”. In general, neither did Congress, although a very few RWNJs flirted with the birthers when it was expedient to do so.

    However, the rapidly shrinking birther movement is an interesting study in how conspiracy thinking can cost people their friends, family, employment and reputations. Oh, and cash.

  5. avatar
    AuBricker April 27, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    I would love to see something mocking Birther stupidity immortalized, thus giving future generations a chance to laugh at these dimwits. Otherwise, Birthers will be reduced to a footnote in obscure history books. I would like to thing their stupidity will ridiculed for centuries to come.

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    misha marinsky April 27, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    Lani: Eligibility requirements were well settled long ago, and no one ever gave a damn about birth certificates until it appeared possible that candidate Obama could win the election.

    No one heard about de Vattel until after the 2008 election, when Donofrio dug his tome out of a dustbin.

    Donofrio gave a new cause to rabble rousers, and income to grifters.

  7. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 27, 2013 at 10:22 pm #

    I suppose the library could have an interactive exhibit where visitors could browse a copy of the Obama Conspiracy Theories blog and all of your comments.

    😯

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    Jim April 27, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I suppose the library could have an interactive exhibit where visitors could browse a copy of the Obama Conspiracy Theories blog and all of your comments.

    Fantastic Doc!!! You can donate the whole blog to the library and be done with it!

  9. avatar
    alg April 28, 2013 at 12:55 am #

    Actually, I am thinking all of this stuff will be situated in the carnival barker wing.

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    Deborah April 28, 2013 at 12:57 am #

    Lani: Lani April 27, 2013 at 9:40 pm (Quote) #

    I’m not sure if that was snark… or not. But just in case not:

    It was, but in a good way. 🙂 I am in fact studying those things, namely socialism, but only because that is another accusation brought against Obama; that he is a “socialist” (especially by that lady Orly from the formerly socialist country). I’ll just quickly throw in my concept of “socialism,” “communism” and “class wars. The countries who practice those things very much wanted to eliminate the “priest class” more than any other class (due to false religion). If THAT class was abolished, in theory it would eliminate using religion as a pretense to set oneself up as an anti-social person privileged by God.

    I agree there was massive amounts of bigotry and racism in this, but the accusations of Obama being a Muslim played no small role.

  11. avatar
    Deborah April 28, 2013 at 12:58 am #

    I seem not to have an edit option today…

  12. avatar
    red-diaper baby 1942 April 28, 2013 at 1:11 am #

    I followed the link to take a look at the article. It’s bad enough; but what’s really disgusting are the comments that follow — currently some two hundred of them. The posts on the doc’s blog by birthers (John and his friends) are polite and civilized compared to the trash and invective on the Thinker (???) website.

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    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 1:46 am #

    red-diaper baby 1942: I followed the link to take a look at the article. It’s bad enough; but what’s really disgusting are the comments that follow…The posts on the doc’s blog by birthers (John and his friends) are polite and civilized compared to the trash and invective on the Thinker (???) website.

    I read them too.

    Conservative = contemptible

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    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 1:52 am #

    red-diaper baby 1942: the trash and invective on the Thinker (???) website

    American Thinker Ignoramus

  15. avatar
    Deborah April 28, 2013 at 2:06 am #

    I went to read the comments but quickly realized it was a waste of time when real and meaningful research could be done.

    I understand that life is not perfect, and for some it is full of problems. But to be so bitter and blaming of anything and everything on one man is just…stupidity.

  16. avatar
    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 2:06 am #

    It’s easy to find the Bush library – it glows in the dark. That’s where the WMDs are.

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    Deborah April 28, 2013 at 2:07 am #

    I meant the comments on the American Thinker article. As I mentioned, I have no edit feature here today.

  18. avatar
    US Citizen April 28, 2013 at 2:46 am #

    I’d be disappointed if there wasn’t an exhibit about birtherism. I can envision photos of the billboard “Where’s the birth certificate?”, the official BC coffee mug, copies of the BCs themselves and much more.
    They could leave interpretation up to the viewer.
    The phenomena happened and is history.

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    Kris April 28, 2013 at 3:07 am #

    The library ‘birther wing’ should include all the lawsuits filed against Obama, and of course the win – lose count. They might need a separate sub-basement to hold all of Orly Taitz’s piles of ebidence and daffydavits.

  20. avatar
    ArthurWankspittle April 28, 2013 at 4:15 am #

    Ah…now just imagine for a moment an Orly Taitz Library.

    Will there be an English translation available?

  21. avatar
    Lani April 28, 2013 at 4:28 am #

    Deborah: I’m not sure if that was snark… or not. But just in case not:

    It was, but in a good way. I am in fact studying those things, namely socialism, but only because that is another accusation brought against Obama; that he is a “socialist” (especially by that lady Orly from the formerly socialist country). …

    Orly is from a country that was dominated by communism rather than socialism. I’ll venture a guess that most modern, industrialized countries are democratic socialist countries. US excluded, of course, as everything seems to be based on valuing profit over people.

    I lived in Australia for many years and initially had a great deal of trouble accepting how benevolent it was to the residents. Cuz I was taught from an early age that taking care of basic needs made people lazy, stupid, atheist commies. Instead I finally realized that I would never go bankrupt from medical bills. I would never be homeless or starve. My child would be able to go to a university without fear of enormous, crushing student loans. And we would never be treated as scum if age, health, or economic downturns left us needing assistance. When I finally got it, the sense of safety and freedom was overwhelming.

    I returned to the US due to a combination of family demands, but wish that hadn’t been necessary. Now I have returned to fear of medical problems, job loss and old age, and see decent people facing life’s challenges while being mistreated by our government and fellow citizens.

    I wish Obama was a socialist democrat, and the majority of Congress as well! Sadly, he is anything but. When it comes to human dignity and decency, we are sadly lagging behind many countries. But, hey, guns! Military stuff! USA! USA!

  22. avatar
    Lani April 28, 2013 at 4:50 am #

    But returning to the Obama Library… That’s a big topic in Hawaii. I hope he does have two libraries. Of course, Chicago influenced his adult years and his decision to choose a political direction, so it deserves the bulk of his history. On the other hand, our multicultural islands gave him a safe place to grow up, surrounded by people like him who have families blended from many cultures and ethnic heritages. There is no majority race, culture or religion.

    In Congress, we currently have a haole (white) Jewish man, a Japanese born Buddhist-agnostic woman, a Japanese-American Buddhist woman, and a Samoan-haole Hindu Afghan War veteran woman. No Christians? Doesn’t matter as we respect all religious holidays and share in celebrating them. We can wonder about how circumstances might have shaped Pres. Obama if he had grown up on the mainland, but I suspect he would not have his calm acceptance of human differences. It’s daily life here. Not always easy, but always necessary.

    So here’s hoping that we have a President Obama Library in the 50th – and most diverse – state.

  23. avatar
    nbc April 28, 2013 at 4:59 am #

    During the Whitehouse Correspondence Dinner, Obama mentioned how people had suggested that his presidential library should be in his birth place but he said he preferred it to be in the United States…

  24. avatar
    Lani April 28, 2013 at 5:21 am #

    nbc:
    During the Whitehouse Correspondence Dinner, Obama mentioned how people had suggested that his presidential library should be in his birth place but he said he preferred it to be in the United States…

    I heard that! Loved the poke at birthers and other assorted idiots.

    Truth be told, I am regularly approached by confused tourists who need directions. They seem uncomfortable with asking the many other people around them and light up when they see my white face. Sad but true. The worse example of that mindset was a couple in a rental car who lowered their car window a few inches to ask if I spoke English. I said “no” and walked on.

    We’ve got our quirks, like every other state, but we really, really do live in the US!

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 28, 2013 at 8:21 am #

    Don’t forget the zibbits.

    Kris: Orly Taitz’s piles of ebidence and daffydavits.

  26. avatar
    alg April 28, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    Kris:
    “The library ‘birther wing’ should include all the lawsuits filed against Obama, and of course the win – lose count.They might need a separate sub-basement to hold all of Orly Taitz’s piles of ebidence and daffydavits.”

    I think that’s a terrific idea given that these cases now probably represent the single largest body of case law pertaining to a single subject in American judicial history. We now have a good pretty idea of how the 14th Amendment clarifies the meaning of the term “natural born citizen,” what constitutes sufficient evidence to determine one is, and the proper venue for challenging a Presidential candidate’s eligibility. A library of this body of case law would serve as an excellent one-stop resource should the topic ever come up again.

  27. avatar
    HistorianDude April 28, 2013 at 9:19 am #

    I have been to the Reagan Library in Simi Valley (you can actually see it across the valley from my sister’s back yard) and thought it was wonderful. I was particularly moved by Air Force 1, since I had an Uncle who was a security NCO on JFK’s (which is at Wright Patterson today). All that said, guess what:

    A copy of Reagan’s LFBC actually is on display there. Had there been Reagan birthers it would have caused all sorts of problems, since it was signed by the attending physician in 1942… when Reagan was already 31 years old.

  28. avatar
    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    HistorianDude: it was signed by the attending physician in 1942… when Reagan was already 31 years old

    Reagan was white, a Republican and a True Christian™.

    “For the first time ever, everything is in place for the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ.”

    He also had James Watt in his Cabinet. “We don’t have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.”

    http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/culture_war/the_american_taliban.html

  29. avatar
    Thinker April 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    Obama himself, of course, does not follow birfer nonsense. He probably knows about the empty chair victory. He certainly knows Donald Trump is a birfer. He probably is aware that there is a pseudo-cross-dressing Soviet dentist in California who keeps suing him. But I think that’s about it.

    After Obama leaves office in 2017 (note to Obama Derangement Syndrome sufferers: Yes, Obama will be leaving office on Jan. 20, 2017), I think it would be really, really fun for Doc C, Foggy, and a few of the other anti-birfer “celebrities” to meet with him and chronicle the lowlights of birfer insanity. They could include Orly’s “two Obamas” theory, Chris Strunk’s notions of how the Jesuits are behind it all, Al Hendershot’s Harrison J. Bounel “evidence,” the tale of Dean and Miki’s Excellent Adventure, and Butterdezillion’s Doctrine of Indirect Confirmation.

    And he should definitely get one of those autographed copies of the Georgia trial dvd so he can see Venn Aryan explaining the difference between holding and dicta and watch Orly Tatiz morph from attorney to witness.

    I think Obama would laugh his ass off at this stuff.

  30. avatar
    y_p_w April 28, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    HistorianDude:
    I have been to the Reagan Library in Simi Valley (you can actually see it across the valley from my sister’s back yard) and thought it was wonderful. I was particularly moved by Air Force 1, since I had an Uncle who was a security NCO on JFK’s (which is at Wright Patterson today).All that said, guess what:

    A copy of Reagan’s LFBC actually is on display there. Had there been Reagan birthers it would have caused all sorts of problems, since it was signed by the attending physician in 1942… when Reagan was already 31 years old.

    I’ve seen photos of the birth certificate. It was also mostly handwritten and the place of birth was not a hospital. Also the handwriting was atrocious. It looks like it was written by a five year old.

    http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834515c5469e20148c865253d970c-350wi

    Now Richard Nixon’s birth certificate is interesting. All birth certificates in California are considered public records, so anyone can waltz into the local county recorder’s office, health department, or whatever office handles such requests – and obtain an “informational copy” of the birth certificate. One can also mail in requests to the California Dept of Public Health, which maintains the archive of all birth certificates. That’s what an LA Times reporter did.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2010/08/nixon-birthplace-revisited.html

    Nixon’s only states that he was born on Yorba Linda Blvd in Fullerton, date of birth, sex, color, name of parents, etc. The interesting thing was that it was signed when he was 29 and only filed pursuant to a court order. The only reason given for granting the late filing was “Oral Evidence”. At least when Dwight Eisenhower got his delayed birth certificate, he brought along his older brother to vouch for him.

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    justlw April 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    So I assume someone on Team Birf has already visited the Bush Library and posted photographs of 43’s LFBC and the “shelves” of his college transcript zibbits, just to lay down some smack against Team Obot?

    …no?

  32. avatar
    John Reilly April 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

    Jimmy Carter is the first President born in a hospital. Reagan was born at home. Since Reagan, the Presidents were all born in hospitals.

    Kennedy is sort of an exception. Born at home, but Joe Sr. brought the staff of the Boston Lying In hospital to the house.

    Thus, a demand for hospital certification of birth not only never happened until the President was Black, but could not have happened before 1976.

  33. avatar
    John Reilly April 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    President Obama’s library will, in my best estimate, make no mention whatsoever of the Birthers. That will infuriate and continue to marginalize them.

  34. avatar
    Majority Will April 28, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

    John Reilly:
    President Obama’s library will, in my best estimate, make no mention whatsoever of the Birthers.That will infuriate and continue to marginalize them.

    That would be ideal.

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    nbc April 28, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    Lani: I heard that! Loved the poke at birthers and other assorted idiots.

    He did this several more times…

    I’m also hard at work on plans for the Obama Library. And some have suggested that we put it in my birthplace, but I’d rather keep it in the United States. (Laughter.) Did anybody not see that joke coming? (Laughter.) Show of hands. Only Gallup? Maybe Dick Morris? (Laughter and applause.)

    Including pointing out that Groucho Marx is not Karl Marx

    Read more here

    Groucho Marx once said — and, Senator Cruz, that’s Groucho Marx, not Karl. That’s the other guy. (Laughter.)

    and

    I am not giving up. In fact, I’m taking my charm offensive on the road — a Texas barbeque with Ted Cruz, a Kentucky bluegrass concert with Rand Paul, and a book-burning with Michele Bachmann. (Laughter and applause.)

    At ORYR the fools still do not realize that the world is laughing at them

    Obama Jokes About Felony Identity Document Fraud At White House Correspondents Dinner

    Poor sods… so stuck in their hatred of our President. They rant and rave about the jews, the muslims, the commies, and only a few commenters seem to understand the joke:

    You are the one being mocked, but you are too ignorant and/or gullible to realize it.

  36. avatar
    Deborah April 28, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    alg: alg April 28, 2013 at 8:50 am (Quote) #

    A library of this body of case law would serve as an excellent one-stop resource should the topic ever come up again.

    Dr. C’s site here is a one-stop resource on the issue. That’s why I think he, or someone, should take advantage of it and produce a book. What else are presidential libraries for? Does anyone want to corroborate?

    @Lani, thanks for the information about Austrailia. That’s very interesting, and I wish I could go there. They, and Canada, have made some effot to abolish the adversarial system in family court. The adversarial system in family court is…an abomination. As for the difference between socialism and communism, I admit, I don’t know- that’s why I am looking into it. The words are hurled out seemingly interchangeably against Obama.

  37. avatar
    Thinker April 28, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

    I think the library will–and should–dedicate a few cubic feet of exhibit space to it. They won’t portray it as a serious controversy or as something that influenced his presidency. They will portray it as a cultural oddity. They’ll have a clip of Donald Trump saying he has investigators in Hawaii and he can’t believe what they’re finding. They’ll have a copy of Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate” book right next to a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate. Maybe they’ll tell the story of the fake Kenyan birth certificate Orly Taitz tried to admit into evidence in court. It won’t be much, but I think it deserves a mention.

    John Reilly:
    President Obama’s library will, in my best estimate, make no mention whatsoever of the Birthers.That will infuriate and continue to marginalize them.

  38. avatar
    aarrgghh April 28, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

    John Reilly: President Obama’s library will, in my best estimate, make no mention whatsoever of the Birthers.That will infuriate and continue to marginalize them.

    yet if there is any mention whatsoever, that will infuriate birfers, because it’ll all be “lies”. after all this time it’s safe to say that if obama says the sun is up, that will infuriate them. if he says the sun is down, that too will infuriate them. obama infuriates birfers. his existence is a unrelenting canker on their withered souls. everything else is mere rationalization.

  39. avatar
    aarrgghh April 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm #

    i predict that given the unprecedented nature of obama’s long form press conference, birfers will get some passing mention in his library.

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    justlw April 28, 2013 at 5:57 pm #

    Thinker: I think the library will–and should–dedicate a few cubic feet of exhibit space to it.

    Possible interactive exhibits:

    • “You Complete the Punchline!”
    • Birther Whack-a-Mole
    • “Did They Really Say This?”
    • “Try to Connect the Dots” (Hint: You Can’t)
    • “Fun With Photoshop” — you could have “Jack Cahill” and “Mara Zebest” stations for variety

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    US Citizen April 28, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

    John Reilly:
    President Obama’s library will, in my best estimate, make no mention whatsoever of the Birthers.That will infuriate and continue to marginalize them.

    No offense, but that would be like saying a book on the antichrist would piss off Christians if displayed in an adult book store.
    Like the Obama library, they’d never go inside to begin with.

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    aarrgghh April 28, 2013 at 6:44 pm #

    US Citizen: No offense, but that would be like saying a book on the antichrist would piss off Christians if displayed in an adult book store.

    Like the Obama library, they’d never go inside to begin with.

    i’m pretty sure if you polled the patrons of your average american porn shop, christians would be well represented … we know at least one chaplain bought a copy of “tranny hunter” and a remote-control pink dildo …

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    Keith April 28, 2013 at 6:52 pm #

    Thinker: Obama himself, of course, does not follow birfer nonsense. He probably knows about the empty chair victory. He certainly knows Donald Trump is a birfer. He probably is aware that there is a pseudo-cross-dressing Soviet dentist in California who keeps suing him. But I think that’s about it.

    I expect he has the odd foray into the innertubes to find out what is going on. He might well have the equivalent of a clipping service to locate ‘interesting’ sites for him. I wouldn’t be surprised that if he has read this site on occasion.

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    Keith April 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm #

    y_p_w: At least when Dwight Eisenhower got his delayed birth certificate, he brought along his older brother to vouch for him.

    It was his younger brother!

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    donna April 28, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

    NBC: Poor sods… so stuck in their hatred of our President. They rant and rave about the jews, the muslims, the commies, and only a few commenters seem to understand the joke

    FLASHBACK June 10, 1797- John Adams: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion ……………

    The Treaty of Tripoli: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

    Official records show that after President John Adams sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification in May 1797, the entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification.

    Twenty-three of the thirty-two sitting Senators were present for the June 7 vote which unanimously approved the ratification recommendation

    wiki

  46. avatar
    Daniel April 28, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

    misha marinsky: I read them too.

    Conservative = contemptible

    I am a Conservative.

    The people commenting on that blog are not Conservatives.

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    Daniel April 28, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    alg: I think that’s a terrific idea given that these cases now probably represent the single largest body of case law pertaining to a single subject in American judicial history.We now have a good pretty idea of how the 14th Amendment clarifies the meaning of the term “natural born citizen,” what constitutes sufficient evidence to determine one is, and the proper venue for challenging a Presidential candidate’s eligibility.A library of this body of case law would serve as an excellent one-stop resource should the topic ever come up again.

    With respect, I highly doubt this is “the single largest body of case law pertaining to a single subject in American judicial history”. not even close. Serious cases have gone on much longer and generated much more case law and opinions. I suspect even frivolous crap has. The 911 truther crap surely has and it’s of no more import than birtherism.

    And since there is no issue, nor ever was, it’s of very little import in the grand scheme of things. All it is is a minor bit of entertainment.

    As to whether the topic will come up again, it hasn’t yet come up, in the real world. However I’m sure the next time a black person, or a homosexual, or a Jew, or an Atheist, or any of a number of people who a certain segment of the population sees as “them” runs for President. that certain segment will come up with another equally lame excuse for why it should be an “issue”.

  48. avatar
    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 8:14 pm #

    Daniel: I am a Conservative. The people commenting on that blog are not Conservatives.

    Buckley once said he spent a lifetime getting rid of the kooks. Buckley has died, the kooks are back, and are here to stay.

    Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski do not have the firepower Buckley did, and they are being drowned out by the Tea Party. Buckley’s son Christopher and Ron Reagan Jr. got fed up and joined the Democrats.

    Boehner and Cantor refuse to denounce the reactionaries. Even Reagan found Jesse Helms useful.

    Jesse Helms: ‘UNC stands for the university of ni****s and communists.’

    “Because she’s a damn lesbian.” Helms explaining why he voted against Roberta Achtenberg, President Clinton’s nominee for assistant housing secretary.

    GW Bush: “I don’t think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision.”

    I doubt the GOP will ever produce another Nelson Rockefeller. I am NOT ridiculing – I’m being a realist.

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    Kupuna April 28, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    Lani: But returning to the Obama Library… That’s a big topic in Hawaii. I hope he does have two libraries. Of course, Chicago influenced his adult years and his decision to choose a political direction, so it deserves the bulk of his history. On the other hand, our multicultural islands gave him a safe place to grow up, surrounded by people like him who have families blended from many cultures and ethnic heritages. There is no majority race, culture or religion.In Congress, we currently have a haole (white) Jewish man, a Japanese born Buddhist-agnostic woman, a Japanese-American Buddhist woman, and a Samoan-haole Hindu Afghan War veteran woman. No Christians? Doesn’t matter as we respect all religious holidays and share in celebrating them. We can wonder about how circumstances might have shaped Pres. Obama if he had grown up on the mainland, but I suspect he would not have his calm acceptance of human differences. It’s daily life here. Not always easy, but always necessary.So here’s hoping that we have a President Obama Library in the 50th – and most diverse – state.

    One of my best friends is a retired librarian from UH Manoa & I’ve shared the chatter on this. Mahalo for sharing how our state is so diverse! I agree with you that our local culture sculpted the President but I think he’ll make Chicago the home for his Presidential library. That said, I believe that UH should also establish a memorial library for his mother. He is a President who’s thinking was formed by the whole world, not just the USA. I was happy to see how the East-West Center did that exhibit about his mother’s work. I know that idea just completely freaks out the RWNJs but that’s just how it is in 2013.

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    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 8:52 pm #

    Kupuna: I know that idea just completely freaks out the RWNJs but that’s just how it is in 2013.

    Here’s a sample from American Thinker: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/the_barack_obama_presidential_library_comments.html

    What good is it going to be for Obama to have a library when 99% of his followers can’t read?

    The Barack Obama Presidential Library is located out behind my cabin. The only publication in it is an old Sears and Roebuck catalog.

    Admission: free if you’re black, brown or gay. Everybody else pays.

    A straw Kenyan hut in the corner – Every hour on the hour, a little granny holding a baby peeks out, twirls around and pops back in.

    These are the least offensive…

  51. avatar
    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

    Kupuna: I know that idea just completely freaks out the RWNJs but that’s just how it is in 2013.

    From the American Thinker:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/the_barack_obama_presidential_library_comments.html#comment-876978592

    “I don’t want my daughters punished with a baby.” – As far as I’m concerned, Stanley Ann Dunham’s son is punishment on our country.

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    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    Kupuna: I know that idea just completely freaks out the RWNJs but that’s just how it is in 2013.

    Boehner, Cantor and Sanctorum refuse to denounce this:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/the_barack_obama_presidential_library_comments.html#comment-877338466

    Ann Dunham like her parents was a woman with no class. She gave it away to bums, perverts, criminals and communists. We have her to thank for Barry in the White House, who may be an illegal or still an Indonesian citizen.

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    Dave B. April 28, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

    Well, I’ve been trying to find Utah Phillips’ story about Spiro Agnew’s library, and I ain’t had any luck. I had it on a cassette twenty-five years ago, but I can’t remember what record it was on. This isn’t it, (they must not’ve listened to it, the so-and-so’s) but it’s good, though:
    http://m.www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/09/1141540/-Moose-Turd-Pie?detail=hide

  54. avatar
    Daniel April 28, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

    misha marinsky: Buckley once said he spent a lifetime getting rid of the kooks. Buckley has died, the kooks are back, and are here to stay.

    Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski do not have the firepower Buckley did, and they are being drowned out by the Tea Party. Buckley’s son Christopher and Ron Reagan Jr. got fed up and joined the Democrats.

    Boehner and Cantor refuse to denounce the reactionaries. Even Reagan found JesseHelms useful.

    Jesse Helms: ‘UNC stands for the university of ni****s and communists.’

    “Because she’s a damn lesbian.” Helms explaining why he voted against Roberta Achtenberg, President Clinton’s nominee for assistant housing secretary.

    GW Bush: “I don’t think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision.”

    I doubt the GOP will ever produce another Nelson Rockefeller. I am NOT ridiculing – I’m being a realist.

    I think you’re getting a little far from my statement.

    I never said the GOP is not in trouble. Its very clear that it has problem. Every political party experiences these kinds of trouble. The Democrats certainly have. It’s a pendulum, though, and history shows it will swing back, as it always has.

    MY statement, and my point, was simply about the commenters on that site, not on the GOP. What I stated was “They are not Conservatives”, and I stand by that statement. Whatever you may think of todays’ GOP, or Conservatives in general, it is abundantly clear that those despicable people are no more Conservatives than they are Democrats.

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    Daniel April 28, 2013 at 9:58 pm #

    Dave B.: Spiro Agnew’s library

    If I remember correctly it was on his 1973 album, called, strangely enough…. “Good though”

  56. avatar
    Dave B. April 28, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    That’s what I thought, but I can’t remember what track, or find it on this vast, so all-inclusive worldwide web of knowledge. I have failed miserably.

    Daniel: If I remember correctly it was on his 1973 album, called, strangely enough…. “Good though”

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    Northland10 April 28, 2013 at 10:19 pm #

    John Reilly:
    President Obama’s library will, in my best estimate, make no mention whatsoever of the Birthers.That will infuriate and continue to marginalize them.

    Maybe a brief mention that Gary Kreep had filed some cases and received some minor assistance from a part-time attorney.

  58. avatar
    Deborah April 29, 2013 at 12:55 am #

    misha marinsky April 28, 2013 at 9:14 pm (Quote) #

    Kupuna: I know that idea just completely freaks out the RWNJs but that’s just how it is in 2013.

    Boehner, Cantor and Sanctorum refuse to denounce this:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/the_barack_obama_presidential_library_comments.html#comment-877338466

    Ann Dunham like her parents was a woman with no class. She gave it away to bums, perverts, criminals and communists. We have her to thank for Barry in the White House, who may be an illegal or still an Indonesian citizen.

    I read one of Robert Cole’s series of books, Children of Crisis (I think it was the first volume) about de-segregation in America. I was outraged all the way through at the cruelty to small black school children by bigots who did not want their white children going to school with blacks. Nothing has changed. These people are sick…and they think they are going to heaven when they die. Well, I hope they enjoy spending an eternity on Venus, volcanoes and all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Crisis

  59. avatar
    Deborah April 29, 2013 at 2:04 am #

    donna April 28, 2013 at 6:57 pm (Quote) #

    NBC: Poor sods… so stuck in their hatred of our President. They rant and rave about the jews, the muslims, the commies, and only a few commenters seem to understand the joke

    FLASHBACK June 10, 1797- John Adams: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion ……………

    The Treaty of Tripoli:

    Hmmmm….a missing piece of the puzzle. This ancient hatred of Muslims is related to the Barbary Pirates.

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    The Magic M April 29, 2013 at 4:55 am #

    Deborah: This ancient hatred of Muslims is related to the Barbary Pirates.

    Often it’s based on bogeyman principles. A recent study shows that in Germany, people who are “afraid” of Muslims live mostly in East Germany where there are very few Muslims.
    Gee, one would expect that animosity is based on negative personal experience (also known as “facts”), but it seems the opposite is true.

    That’s how xenophobia works by definition – you’re not afraid of what you know but of what you don’t know.

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    Paul Pieniezny April 29, 2013 at 4:57 am #

    Any exhibit at the OPL shouldd treat the birfer issue as a big racist joke. My two favorites are : 1) a photograph of President Arthur, with a text underneath explaining the anecdotes about his birth. Don’t forget to mention that the birfer assertionthat he burnt his records to hide the fact that his father was nlt a citizenat his birth, is a lie .
    Alternatively, a poster with a comparative timeline of Eisenhower and Obama.

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    Lupin April 29, 2013 at 8:29 am #

    Daniel: MY statement, and my point, was simply about the commenters on that site, not on the GOP. What I stated was “They are not Conservatives”, and I stand by that statement. Whatever you may think of todays’ GOP, or Conservatives in general, it is abundantly clear that those despicable people are no more Conservatives than they are Democrats.

    An interesting point.

    I used to subscribe to THE ECONOMIST for a long time, and would have generally labeled myself an economic conservative (but a social liberal) until about 2004 when even THE ECONOMIST showed that ideology trumped common sense when they endorsed GW Bush for reelection.

    At that point, like Paul Krugman, Duncan Black or Brad De Long, I kept looking for reasonably sane “Conservatives” but couldn’t find any.

    Since then the hypocritical endorsement of ill-conceived and demonstrably ineffectual austerity policies by so-called “conservatives” who seem intent only on punishing the poor while showering their friends with public money has forever made the label abhorrent in my mind.

    IMHO the only question now left is: are today’s conservatives sociopathic liars or gullible idiots?

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    Arthur April 29, 2013 at 8:38 am #

    The Magic M: Often it’s based on bogeyman principles. A recent study shows that in Germany, people who are “afraid” of Muslims live mostly in East Germany where there are very few Muslims.

    Similarly, in pre-WWII Germany, although Jews made up no more than three percent of the population, the Nazis were able to portray them as the root cause behind all of Germany’s misfortunes. Of course, they were helped by centuries of church-sponsored antisemitism.

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    Keith April 29, 2013 at 9:10 am #

    Lupin: Since then the hypocritical endorsement of ill-conceived and demonstrably ineffectual austerity policies

    And scientific twaddle, don’t forget that! The two seminal ‘austerity’ papers have both been demonstrated to be false, false, false.

    One due to not using enough data points in the study, the other because the authors couldn’t use the Excel spreadsheet properly.

    Austerity is not only counter-intuitive, it is down right economic poison. The Roosevelt experience demonstrated it, the Reagan experience demonstrated it, half of Europe is suffering because of it, and the U.S. recovery is way behind where it should be because of it.

  65. avatar
    Lupin April 29, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    Keith: And scientific twaddle, don’t forget that! The two seminal ‘austerity’ papers have both been demonstrated to be false, false, false.

    One due to not using enough data points in the study, the other because the authors couldn’t use the Excel spreadsheet properly.

    Austerity is not only counter-intuitive, it is down right economic poison. The Roosevelt experience demonstrated it, the Reagan experience demonstrated it, half of Europe is suffering because of it, and the U.S. recovery is way behind where it should be because of it.

    I couldn’t agree more!

    Liars or idiots? The paradigm of this new century.

  66. avatar
    Daniel April 29, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    Lupin: IMHO the only question now left is: are today’s conservatives sociopathic liars or gullible idiots?

    Which would you say I am?

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    Majority Will April 29, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    Lupin: IMHO the only question now left is: are today’s conservatives sociopathic liars or gullible idiots?

    Daniel:

    Which would you say I am?

    I would say neither.

  68. avatar
    Patrick McKinnion April 29, 2013 at 6:51 pm #

    red-diaper baby 1942:
    I followed the link to take a look at the article. It’s bad enough; but what’s really disgusting are the comments that follow — currently some two hundred of them. The posts on the doc’s blog by birthers (John and his friends) are polite and civilized compared to the trash and invective on the Thinker (???) website.

    There is a reason why I call it “The American Stinker”

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    J.D. Sue April 29, 2013 at 7:20 pm #

    Deborah: Ann Dunham like her parents was a woman with no class.

    I really believe that much of the birther hatred against Obama is that his mother was a white woman who dated/married a black man. As you may know, interracial marriage was illegal in many states until Loving v. Virginia (1967). Even in 2012, a poll of Mississippi Republicans found that only 54% thought interracial marriage should remain legal; 29% thought it should be illegal, and the rest weren’t sure.

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    gorefan April 29, 2013 at 8:16 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I suppose the library could have an interactive exhibit where visitors could browse a copy of the Obama Conspiracy Theories blog and all of your comments.

    In that case, “Hi, everybody”.

  71. avatar
    Deborah April 29, 2013 at 11:42 pm #

    J.D. Sue April 29, 2013 at 7:20 pm (Quote) #

    Deborah: Ann Dunham like her parents was a woman with no class.

    I really believe that much of the birther hatred against Obama is that his mother was a white woman who dated/married a black man. As you may know, interracial marriage was illegal in many states until Loving v. Virginia (1967). Even in 2012, a poll of Mississippi Republicans found that only 54% thought interracial marriage should remain legal; 29% thought it should be illegal, and the rest weren’t sure.

    Yes. In fact, some people are trying to get Loving Day (when inter-racial marriage was de-felonized) declared a national holiday.

  72. avatar
    BillTheCat April 30, 2013 at 12:07 am #

    The ironically named “American Thinker” is a site visited only by the fringiest of the fringe, hosting hysterical poorly written “analysis” and opinion masquerading as fact. The commenters are racist low life’s who probably would never look at a person of color wrong let alone say any of that stuff to their face.

    A bitter, dieing demographic.

  73. avatar
    Keith April 30, 2013 at 2:22 am #

    BillTheCat: A bitter, dieing demographic.

    From your mouth (post) to God’s (Humanity’s) ears (cellphone).

    Please.

  74. avatar
    Horus April 30, 2013 at 2:54 am #

    His BC will be carved in marble, 20 feet high.
    Or maybe dolomite?

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    The Magic M April 30, 2013 at 4:07 am #

    Horus: Or maybe dolomite?

    40% dolomite, 30% iron.

    We all know the real BC says his name is “Presidenting Unit 22”. Maybe it will say “Hecho en Kenya” on the back? 😉

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    The Magic M April 30, 2013 at 4:14 am #

    Deborah: I really believe that much of the birther hatred against Obama is that his mother was a white woman who dated/married a black man.

    The only thing a racist hates more than dating outside your race is having offspring with someone outside your race, and the only thing he hates more than somebody from another race is someone who is partially from another race.

    The Nazis enacted a law forbidding Jews from employing “Aryan” females under the age of 45. If their main concern had been sexual relations, they would’ve forbidden it altogether. The age requirement makes it clear that it was all about preventing offspring (with the insinuation that a (Jewish) employer might coerce his female employees into sexual relations).

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    Lani April 30, 2013 at 5:38 am #

    Deborah:
    J.D. Sue April 29, 2013 at 7:20 pm(Quote) #

    Deborah: Ann Dunham like her parents was a woman with no class.

    I really believe that much of the birther hatred against Obama is that his mother was a white woman who dated/married a black man.

    Look up the Massie trial and “honor killing” in Hawaii that kept us “savages” from achieving statehood for decades. Clarence Darrow defended the “honor killing” of an innocent Hawaiian for doing nothing at all, legal or illegal, to a pure aryan white woman. Not such a nice guy when you look at that trial!

    That a young haole woman had a baby with someone of another culture in Hawaii is par for the course here. In the early ’60’s some sort of marriage arrangement may have been common for or desirable by some, but by Polynesian standards, it was unnecessary. We just don’t care about that stuff.

    I’ve seen his mom called any number of names, including race traitor. Well, here she is honored as a pioneer in micro-economics. And we are proud to call Barack Obama as one of our own.

    So suck on it, race baiters! We are living the future the of the US! And ya know what? We like it!

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    Kupuna April 30, 2013 at 6:26 am #

    misha marinsky: Here’s a sample from American Thinker: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/the_barack_obama_presidential_library_comments.htmlWhat good is it going to be for Obama to have a library when 99% of his followers can’t read?The Barack Obama Presidential Library is located out behind my cabin. The only publication in it is an old Sears and Roebuck catalog.Admission: free if you’re black, brown or gay. Everybody else pays.A straw Kenyan hut in the corner – Every hour on the hour, a little granny holding a baby peeks out, twirls around and pops back in.These are the least offensive…

    YUK! Sad to read that these are the least offensive. I used to take the time to read the web sites that spread Birther “kukae”/shit but I don’t do so now. I see that it persists. My main point was to say that I think Obama’s library will be in Chicago. I do hope that UH Manoa will also do something to commemorate him & his family. Maya Soetoro-Ng might be the main one pushing this.

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    Kupuna April 30, 2013 at 6:34 am #

    Lani: Look up the Massie trial and “honor killing” in Hawaii that kept us “savages” from achieving statehood for decades. Clarence Darrow defended the “honor killing” of an innocent Hawaiian for doing nothing at all, legal or illegal, to a pure aryan white woman. Not such a nice guy when you look at that trial! That a young haole woman had a baby with someone of another culture in Hawaii is par for the course here. In the early ’60′s some sort of marriage arrangement may have been common for or desirable by some, but by Polynesian standards, it was unnecessary. We just don’t care about that stuff. I’ve seen his mom called any number of names, including race traitor. Well, here she is honored as a pioneer in micro-economics. And we are proud to call Barack Obama as one of our own.So suck on it, race baiters! We are living the future the of the US! And ya know what? We like it!

    Lani, I saw your post after my last post. Yeah, “suck on it Race Birthers” is perfect! Life isn’t perfect here, but recent studies about how we are healthier & live longer than most Americans, confirms that letting go of hate has great health benefits.

  80. avatar
    misha marinsky April 30, 2013 at 7:52 am #

    Kupuna: Sad to read that these are the least offensive…web sites that spread Birther “kukae”…I see that it persists.

    Don’t forget this: Richard Cebull, Federal Judge Who Sent Racist Obama Email, Retires – Was appointed by GW Bush

    Montana’s chief federal judge admitted on Wednesday that he forwarded an email comparing African-Americans to dogs and implying that President Barack Obama’s mother had sex with animals.

    In April 2011, an Orange County GOP official sent out an email with a photo of Obama’s face superimposed on the body of a baby chimpanzee. She made a public apology, saying she was an “an imperfect Christian”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/01/richard-cebull-judge-obama-racist-email_n_1312736.html

  81. avatar
    misha marinsky April 30, 2013 at 7:56 am #

    Lupin: the only question now left is: are today’s conservatives sociopathic liars or gullible idiots?

    Ann Coulter is an anti-Semite.

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    Keith April 30, 2013 at 8:04 am #

    misha marinsky: Lupin: the only question now left is: are today’s conservatives sociopathic liars or gullible idiots?

    Ann Coulter is an anti-Semite.

    True. AND a sociopathic liar AND a gullible idiot.

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    Scientist April 30, 2013 at 8:09 am #

    Keith: And scientific twaddle, don’t forget that! The two seminal ‘austerity’ papers have both been demonstrated to be false, false, false.

    As a scientist, if I found critical calculation errors in a paper, I would feel obligated to retract it. All the more so, if it formed the basis for therapeutic interventions in actual patients, which the Rogoff paper, is being used to do in economic terms. If I still thought the conclusion was valid after correcting the calculations, I would consider re-submitting it.

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    misha marinsky April 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    Arthur: Of course, they were helped by centuries of church-sponsored antisemitism.

    Jews caused the Black Death:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_Jewish_persecutions

    How could we? Soros wasn’t alive then.

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    J.D. Sue April 30, 2013 at 5:30 pm #

    Lani: Well, here she is honored as a pioneer in micro-economics. And we are proud to call Barack Obama as one of our own.
    So suck on it, race baiters! We are living the future the of the US! And ya know what? We like it!

    —-

    Interesting that she is known as a pioneer in micro-economics; I guess I need to learn more about her work. Sounds like her parents made a great decision in moving to Hawaii from Kansas. Hawaii should be very proud to call Barack Obama one of it’s own. I hope Hawaiians don’t mind, we in Chicago are very proud to call him one of our own too!

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    J.D. Sue April 30, 2013 at 5:52 pm #

    The Magic M: The only thing a racist hates more than dating outside your race is having offspring with someone outside your race, and the only thing he hates more than somebody from another race is someone who is partially from another race.

    —-
    That must be because they believe that having offspring with someone outside one’s race, or being partially of another race, defies “natural law that translates directly to the principle of natural groups, and naturally associated people. . . . ” (Guess where I got that quoted portion from.)

  87. avatar
    Lani May 1, 2013 at 4:21 am #

    J.D. Sue: —-

    Interesting that she is known as a pioneer in micro-economics; I guess I need to learn more about her work.Sounds like her parents made a great decision in moving to Hawaii from Kansas.Hawaii should be very proud to call Barack Obama one of it’s own.I hope Hawaiians don’t mind, we in Chicago are very proud to call him one of our own too!

    I should have written “microloans” .

    “She did the early work on microloans. Toward the end of her life, she was working in Africa, using different sized loans. She also worked in Pakistan. People have compared her to the microfinance banker from Bangladesh who won the Nobel Peace Prize (2006), Mohammad Yunus.” http://www.nea.org/home/53447.htm

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    Lupin May 1, 2013 at 4:27 am #

    The tentacles of the American far right are reaching into Europe in a way (ironically) comparable to that of communism after WWII. I see them in England and to a lesser degree elsewhere. They’re being less successful in France, but it is disturbing to see the French Right hire American “media” or “communication” advisers and start using GOP techniques here.

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    Lani May 1, 2013 at 4:47 am #

    J.D. Sue: —-

    Interesting that she is known as a pioneer in micro-economics; I guess I need to learn more about her work.Sounds like her parents made a great decision in moving to Hawaii from Kansas.Hawaii should be very proud to call Barack Obama one of it’s own.I hope Hawaiians don’t mind, we in Chicago are very proud to call him one of our own too!

    I should have written “microloans” .

    “She did the early work on microloans. Toward the end of her life, she was working in Africa, using different sized loans. She also worked in Pakistan. People have compared her to the microfinance banker from Bangladesh who won the Nobel Peace Prize (2006), Mohammad Yunus.” http://www.nea.org/home/53447.htm

    She was a remarkable woman who made a profound difference in the lives of many people. Thankfully, her vision continues in her son and daughter. “The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics.”

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    interestedbystander May 1, 2013 at 6:39 am #

    BillTheCat:
    The ironically named “American Thinker” is a site visited only by the fringiest of the fringe, hosting hysterical poorly written “analysis” and opinion masquerading as fact. The commenters are racist low life’s who probably would never look at a person of color wrong let alone say any of that stuff to their face.

    A bitter, dieing demographic.

    Although American Thinker has some standards – they drew the line at publishing a Butterdezillion article!

  91. avatar
    J.D. Sue May 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    Lani: She did the early work on microloans. Toward the end of her life, she was working in Africa, using different sized loans. She also worked in Pakistan. People have compared her to the microfinance banker from Bangladesh who won the Nobel Peace Prize (2006), Mohammad Yunus.” http://www.nea.org/home/53447.htm
    She was a remarkable woman who made a profound difference in the lives of many people. Thankfully, her vision continues in her son and daughter. “The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics.”

    Thanks for the info and link.

  92. avatar
    G May 2, 2013 at 3:25 am #

    I call false equivocation on this one! I cannot come up with anything historically close to the current GOP “problems” …other than maybe the Know-Nothing Party and its eventual demise…

    Please, elucidate us on when the Democratic Party (or even earlier versions of the GOP) have ever truly had “this kind of trouble”…there is a big difference from being out of power or having a handful of kooks and having such a large serving segment of the party being off the rails and being so bereft of valid, viable ideas to actually move forward and solve current/future problems.

    I think you are suffering from simple wistful delusions of past loyalty in thinking this is just some simple little minor “normal” problem that can just simply “swing back”…

    Yes, I agree that there are quite a few sane, good folks who are misguided loyalists (and who are inadvertently enabling and propping up this poisoned diseased mess of what used to be a serious political party with your votes), but the bulk of the folks funding, running and serving in the party (at least at state and federal levels) are either cynical self-serving “establishment” types, that just care about a few wealthy special interests that prop them up, or increasingly crazy, conspiratorial, tribalistic-mindset folks…

    Seriously, on what rational basis of evidence can you pin your hopes on sanity returning and a normal “pendulum” swing back over the next few years or even by the end of the decade…and if the rot can’t be stopped by then…seriously, what is there left to come back with and rebuild so much lost credibility upon…?

    Daniel: I never said the GOP is not in trouble. Its very clear that it has problem. Every political party experiences these kinds of trouble. The Democrats certainly have. It’s a pendulum, though, and history shows it will swing back, as it always has.

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    JPotter May 2, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

    Lupin:
    The tentacles of the American far right are reaching into Europe in a way (ironically) comparable to that of communism after WWII. I see them in England and to a lesser degree elsewhere. They’re being less successful in France, but it is disturbing to see the French Right hire American “media” or “communication” advisers and start using GOP techniques here.

    Reminds me of similar rightwing outreach efforts in Africa. The rise of the USSR convinced the world to guard against dystopia from the left, and lo and behold, it snuck in on the right!

  94. avatar
    Lupin May 3, 2013 at 4:41 am #

    JPotter: Reminds me of similar rightwing outreach efforts in Africa. The rise of the USSR convinced the world to guard against dystopia from the left, and lo and behold, it snuck in on the right!

    Yes it is quite strange. Neo nazi movements in Germany and Austria are routinely supported by American far right groups. The new ridiculous UKIP party in England draws its inspiration from US tea party sources:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/christopher-goodfellow/are-ukip-the-uks-tea-part_b_3196700.html?just_reloaded=1

    Add this to American multinational companies’ frequent flaunting of national laws and sense of impunity for being outside national borders — Monsato is a prime example when it comes to food production, but there’s also repeated violations of French labor laws by American companies — all this does not make for a good image abroad.