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Security paper and halos

OnakaHaloSo I bought some security paper. It’s nice security paper, but it’s not quite like the Hawaiian certificate paper. That’s no surprise, but if we want to do a good job replicating the White House PDF of the President’s long form birth certificate, we’re going to need to make a good original to work from.

Despite the obviously crude birth certificate that appeared in the Garrett Papit video (now scrubbed), the Cold Case Posse originally claimed to have used real security paper. This is what Mike Zullo said in the Cold Case Posse’s first press conference:

… the President’s birth certificate released by the White House was an electronic document, we literally had the capability to go into that file and turn off the green safety paper background. Anybody that gets documents anywhere realizes that safety paper is supposed to be a source of comfort that it is an official document. We had the ability to turn it off.

We turned if off and we scanned the President’s birth certificate onto a hard copy paper document, a paper, a safety paper document we actually laid his birth certificate on top of.

As always, what Zullo said is misleading. He would lead the listener to think that that he could turn off the safety paper background and leave the rest of the document intact, but of course that’s not true (details below). If one turns off the background layer, much of the form, text and signatures goes away with it.

The halos are an interesting artifact, basically white areas around the text. You can see it here in this example around the word “Mother”.

Detail of block 15 from Obama birth certificate showing blank space around the letters

The halos (actually blank areas) appear all throughout the document, prominent when you look the background layer of the PDF by itself (click for full-sized image).Background layer of Obama birth certificate, showing security paper, signatures and form lines

Of course, birthers say that these blank spaces were places where the information from someone else was cut out to put Obama information in place it when combining certificates. That theory falls apart looking at the background layer without the text at full size. You can read the text by just the halos! So they aren’t the result of removing something else.

But what Zullo said, no matter how much nonsense it was, had a useful hint. Even though turning off the background layer would obscure much of the certificate, there would still be some black text left, and that text, printed onto security paper would make for a good test for halos.

Thanks to a suggestion from a commenter here, I’ve ordered some more security paper that may be closer to the Hawaii design. I have high hopes for a good test document to test halos ANY DAY NOW. 😈

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67 Responses to Security paper and halos

  1. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 31, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    Right now its a can of worms that Zullo regrets ever opening.
    I’m starting to think that Zullo is gonna just take the money and run, before he loses any more face.

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    john August 31, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    It’s amazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything. NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy. I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots. No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery. Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

  3. avatar
    JPotter August 31, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    Typo broke your smiley at the end, Doc!

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    BatGuano August 31, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Right now its a can of worms that Zullo regrets ever opening.
    I’m starting to think that Zullo is gonna just take the money and run, before he loses any more face.

    when congress returns in 2weeks many of the birthers are expecting either “action” from the mysterious “VIPs” ( most notably steve stockman ) or full release of the CCP’s “evidence”.

    i think that will be the time we’ll see if zullo ups the ante or silently flees his frankenstein’s monster.

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    Hektor August 31, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    BatGuano: when congress returns in 2weeks many of the birthers are expecting either “action” from the mysterious “VIPs” ( most notably steve stockman ) or full release of the CCP’s “evidence”.

    i think that will be the time we’ll see if zullo ups the ante or silently flees his frankenstein’s monster.

    I’m curious as to how Mr. Zullo could up the ante. His any day now routine is wearing thin even at Free Republic and the Birther Report. The biggest obstacle I see is that Mr. Zullo can’t deliver what the birthers basic expectations are: Congressional investigation then removal. I can see him maybe dragging things out a little while with a bill by Congressman Stockman, but even that is contingent on Rep. Stockman playing ball.

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    JPotter August 31, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    john:
    It’samazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything.NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy.I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots.No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery.Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

    Now, John, your defensivenes and desperation to dismiss are your undoing here.
    You’ve had anti-birthers, including NBC, rubbing your nose in MRC and assuring you it was almost certainly a Xerox for nearly 2 years.

    If NBC’s recent work in nailing down that conclusion is “of no concern” … then why are you so suddenly obsessed with Xeroxes after hearing about them for so long? 😉

    Why try to hard to dismiss NBC as wrong when he’s merely fleshing out what you’ve been ignoring?

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 31, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    john:
    It’samazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything.NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy.I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots.No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery.Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

    John you have no right to call BS on anyone, because you tried passing off a scan of a copy, done on the wrong kind of machine. Not even your fellow birthers bought that. So kindly shut your wormy little half-wit gob. Any time someone calls you out on your BS, you flee. You clam up. You won’t even admit that it happened! Now be a good little wuss and go crawl back under your rock.

  8. avatar
    justlw August 31, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    “the Cold Case Posse originally claimed to have used real security paper.”

    I still find it interesting that, in his “Supplemental Media Report” (no longer linked to from the MCSO CCP home page, but still online), the one place that Garrett Papit did not use security paper was in his demonstration of MRC compression and halos.

    On page 23, for example, he shows the WH PDF, followed by an example of adaptive compression (on security paper), then an example of MRC compression (on single-color paper).

    Why is that?

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    justlw August 31, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    JPotter:
    Typo broke your smiley at the end, Doc!

    I figured that was a shout-out to Lambert, Hendricks, & Ross….

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    JPotter August 31, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

    justlw: Why is that?

    Maybe, since he appears to be unable to explain the halos, he was worried that the halos were somehow ’caused’ by security paper, and he didn’t want to accidental succeed 😉

    He made several canyon-sized errors in that report. Asserting that the layering was “logical” for one. Another was assuming all applications of MRC are the same. They are not. MRC is a model, an outline, a conceptual algorithm; there are many implementations.

    In his list of software tested, he lists Nuance PDF Pro. In my experience with Nuance products, Nuance offers “2-layer MRC”: segments images into foreground bitmasks and a JPEG’d background only. If he used Nuance, he wouldn’t get “halos”. Only “3-layer” MRC, such as that implemented on Xerox devices, will produce “halos”.

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    GLaB August 31, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    Hektor: I’m curious as to how Mr. Zullo could up the ante. His any day now routine is wearing thin even at Free Republic and the Birther Report. The biggest obstacle I see is that Mr. Zullo can’t deliver what the birthers basic expectations are: Congressional investigation then removal. I can see him maybe dragging things out a little while with a bill by Congressman Stockman, but even that is contingent on Rep. Stockman playing ball.

    I think the CINC just threw them a lifeline – “oh, we can’t do this during a time of war; we’ll be seen as unpatriotic. But any day AFTERWARDS, though ….”

  12. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 31, 2013 at 3:29 pm #

    The Cold Case Posse dumps out lots of “evidence” and then it falls apart bit by bit.

    Anti-birthers build their case solidly and it grows piece by piece.

    NBC has already reproduced an impressive list of Cold Case Posse forgery evidence with the Xerox/Mac workflow, and in fact the halos are about all that is left.

    Do you really believe that the halos won’t appear when we scan a document on real security paper with the Xerox? Or are you grasping at straws, knowing already that the day is lost?

    john: It’s amazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything. NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy. I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots. No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery. Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

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    HistorianDude August 31, 2013 at 3:31 pm #

    Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

    Apprently soem sorta supreman whose name you can’t even spel rite.

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    CarlOrcas August 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Or are you grasping at straws, knowing already that the day is lost?

    Another question for john to ignore.

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    Kate August 31, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

    GLaB: I think the CINC just threw them a lifeline – “oh, we can’t do this during a time of war;we’ll be seen as unpatriotic.But any day AFTERWARDS, though ….”

    Considering we’ve had troops at war for over 10 years, if that was the case, then they wouldn’t have started this crap 5 years ago. During Bush’s term, it was unpatriotic to criticize the President during a time when we’re at war. Hannity forgot all about the troops when President Obama was elected. If they don’t consider President Obama to be a legitimate President, a strike on Syria won’t stop them.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 31, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

    Doc, in my humble opinion, if John can’t give you a coherent answer, its high time to cut him loose.

  17. avatar
    Foggy August 31, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

    It must seriously suck to be a birther right now, huh John? I mean, President Obama was re-elected and re-inaugurated and is comfortably serving his second term of office.

    Not one judge anywhere in America is going to ever rule that he’s ineligible.

    Not one member of Congress is a birther — not even Steve Stockman, who flirted with Zullo the Klown and then dumped him on the corner without even a goodbye kiss.

    Not one high ranking active member of the military supports the birther lies; in fact, the military “doesn’t entertain absurdities from the web”.

    There are only two kinds of people paying any attention at all — the birthers themselves, and those of us who laugh at you and debunk birther lies for a hobby.

    There have been more than 200 birther lawsuits. The birthers lost every single one. There is zero chance that anyone is going to ever remove President Obama from office, and you just have to suck it down that he’s going to be there until Jan. 20, 2017 (when, in a perfect world, President Franken is sworn in).

    So all you can do is try to claim that the Obots haven’t proved — to you and the other few remaining birthers — that the birth certificate on the White House website is genuine. Which we aren’t even trying to prove except as an academic exercise: The real birth certificate is on real actual paper (not a PDF), the state of Hawaii says it’s genuine, and they’re the final authority as to the validity of their own vital records.

    Jeez, I’d hate to be a birther today. That would seriously, seriously suck. I understand all the anger and frustration and angst that the morons on Birther Report and in Freeperville express day in and day out. The tiny Republic of Birtherstan is such a failure, there are more Obots online today than there are real birthers. Did you ever think the birthers would sink so low?

  18. avatar
    Joey August 31, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

    Foggy:
    It must seriously suck to be a birther right now, huh John? I mean, President Obama was re-elected and re-inaugurated and is comfortably serving his second term of office.

    Not one judge anywhere in America is going to ever rule that he’s ineligible.

    Not one member of Congress is a birther — not even Steve Stockman, who flirted with Zullo the Klown and then dumped him on the corner without even a goodbye kiss.

    Not one high ranking active member of the military supports the birther lies; in fact, the military “doesn’t entertain absurdities from the web”.

    There are only two kinds of people paying any attention at all — the birthers themselves, and those of us who laugh at you and debunk birther lies for a hobby.

    There have been more than 200 birther lawsuits. The birthers lost every single one. There is zero chance that anyone is going to ever remove President Obama from office, and you just have to suck it down that he’s going to be there until Jan. 20, 2017 (when, in a perfect world, President Franken is sworn in).

    So all you can do is try to claim that the Obots haven’t proved — to you and the other few remaining birthers — that the birth certificate on the White House website isgenuine. Which we aren’t even trying to prove except as an academic exercise: Thereal birth certificate is on real actual paper (not a PDF), the state of Hawaii says it’s genuine, and they’re the final authority as to the validity of their own vital records.

    Jeez, I’d hate to be a birther today. That would seriously, seriously suck. I understand all the anger and frustration and angst that the morons on Birther Report and in Freeperville express day in and day out. The tiny Republic of Birtherstan is such a failure, there are more Obots online today than there are real birthers. Did you ever think the birthers would sink so low?

    And in addition, the only birth vital record for Barack Obama that matters resides in Dr. Onaka’s safe at the Hawaii Department of Health. Any judge or congressional committee that needs/wishes to see or inspect an Obama birth vital record can order a hard copy from the Hawaii Department of Health under court order or congressional subpoena.
    Digitized copies are for demonstration, exhibition and discussion purposes.

  19. avatar
    Reality Check August 31, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

    John

    You keep repeating the same lies everywhere you can. Just what do you mean when you say my files are “lousy”. Here is what they show:

    – They have one 8 bit color layer and multiple monochrome 1 bit layers just like the LFBC PDF.
    – The monochrome layers are at 300 ppi resolution just like the LFBC PDF.
    – The green security back ground, the form and some text are separated into a JPEG layer at 150 ppi resolution. Just like the LFBC.
    – Most of the text is separated into a single monochrome layer just like the LFBC PDF.
    – The date stamp is separated into a monochrome layer just like the LFBC PDF.
    – Most of the signature stamp is separated into a monochrome layer just like the LFBC PDF.
    – The Preview version replaces the Xerox metadata with its own just like the LFBC PDF.
    – The Preview version adds a top level clipping mask just like the LFBC pdf.

    Is that lousy John?

    I know we have rocked your pathetic little world by figuring this all out but do you have to be such a whiny, obnoxious, cowardly liar about it?

    john:
    It’samazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything.NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy.I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots.No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery.Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

  20. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 31, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    Don’t worry, John! You’ll see Obama out of the White House yet…in January 2017. If you and the rest of birtherdom are still around by then. Honestly, I see a lot of you choosing to take cyanide capsules before you’d ever admit defeat and just get on with your lives.

  21. avatar
    Reality Check August 31, 2013 at 7:31 pm #

    PS

    John

    I know you are crapping in your drawers that your heart-throb Mike Zullo can’t come up with a rebuttal of the Xerox evidence but even a lying con-artist like Zullo has some limits as to how outrageously he can lie and expect anyone to believe it (except you of course).

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 31, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    The folks at BR have retreated to the argument that God told them that I was evil, and consigned me to Hell.

    Foggy: Jeez, I’d hate to be a birther today. That would seriously, seriously suck. I understand all the anger and frustration and angst that the morons on Birther Report and in Freeperville express day in and day out.

  23. avatar
    CarlOrcas August 31, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The folks at BR have retreated to the argument that God told them that I was evil, and consigned me to hell.

    I just read the exchange. What a sad, pathetic bunch.

  24. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 31, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    Funny you should say that. I was considering just today taking him out of moderation.

    Granted, John is a birther and that his arguments are pathetic; however, he’s much nicer than he used to be, doesn’t incite flame wars and doesn’t hijack threads (that I notice). This isn’t an anti-birther forum by definition; it is just one de facto because that’s where the evidence leads.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Doc, in my humble opinion, if John can’t give you a coherent answer, its high time to cut him loose.

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    CarlOrcas August 31, 2013 at 7:47 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Funny you should say that. I was considering just today taking him out of moderation.

    Granted, John is a birther and that his arguments are pathetic; however, he’s much nicer than he used to be, doesn’t incite flame wars and doesn’t hijack threads (that I notice). This isn’t an anti-birther forum by definition; it is just one de facto because that’s where the evidence leads.

    Please don’t ban him. It’s much less traumatic to read his stuff here than to have to wade through the sewage at BR/ORYR.

  26. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 31, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

    Then by your benevolence, he is spared from the Phantom Zone. 😉
    …Or rather the Phantom Zone is spared from him!
    Zod’s a jerk, but he doesn’t deserve to have birthers inflicted on him!

  27. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 31, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    Sad is the same way I view it. They say a number of things towards me that I can tell are intended to be hurtful, but they really aren’t because I have no vulnerability in those areas. They really don’t understand.

    On the pathetic side, the arguments I got into are with birthers who are clueless. I don’t mean differences over the quality of evidence or the interpretation of events, but basic stuff. One told me to look in the Federalist Papers for the definition of natural born citizen, for example. One was still saying that no scanner creates layers–when even the first Cold Case Posse said that they did. It’s like stumbling into a lost tribe who had no idea that the earth was round and thought pregnancy resulted from exposure to the sun.

    CarlOrcas: I just read the exchange. What a sad, pathetic bunch.

  28. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 31, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

    The average birther reaction to Obama holding off on Syria proves their O.D.S. is incurable. The man can do NO right. They call him an un-American coward for holding off, but we all know that they would be screaming “FALSE FLAG OPERATION! SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!”, if he had decided to act.

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    CarlOrcas August 31, 2013 at 8:06 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Sad is the same way I view it. They say a number of things towards me that I can tell are intended to be hurtful, but they really aren’t because I have no vulnerability in those areas. They really don’t understand.

    I’ve been waiting for something really snappy about your mother and combat boots.

  30. avatar
    G August 31, 2013 at 8:52 pm #

    Yeah, their words are hollow and empty and have no more effect than an immature and petulant child calling someone a “poopyhead” and then running away…

    It is sad and pathetic that they only wrap themselves in the veil of religion for wishing hate on others. They only serve to taint themselves with such meaningless acts of tantrum-based hate. So who cares if they chose to live in a fevered swamp within their own head. That is their own imaginary prison, which they willfully inhabit and it has zero impact on reality or anyone else’s lives.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Sad is the same way I view it. They say a number of things towards me that I can tell are intended to be hurtful, but they really aren’t because I have no vulnerability in those areas. They really don’t understand.

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    G August 31, 2013 at 9:01 pm #

    Agreed. I know he can often be a tiresome retread, but he’s harmless and besides, every village needs its idiot… He fills that role here by his own choice. His sheer level of gullible devotion to nonsense and feckless con-artist leaders is sometimes even entertaining, in its own ludicrousness. He’s like some bizarre cartoon entity that actually exists and thinks that way in real life, even though he’s several steps beyond what should be Poe’s Law…

    CarlOrcas: Please don’t ban him. It’s much less traumatic to read his stuff here than to have to wade through the sewage at BR/ORYR.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Granted, John is a birther and that his arguments are pathetic; however, he’s much nicer than he used to be, doesn’t incite flame wars and doesn’t hijack threads (that I notice). This isn’t an anti-birther forum by definition; it is just one de facto because that’s where the evidence leads.

  32. avatar
    nbc August 31, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    john: It’s amazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything. NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy. I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots. No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery. Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

    ROTFL… How is the CCP doing… We have done enough to destroy the CCP’s claims, its up to them to repair or confirm…

  33. avatar
    Dave August 31, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    Two comments.

    1. Myself, I like having John around. He comes here to engage with us, which few birthers will do. And when I go to ORYR I can’t help noticing his comments are twice as intelligent as any other birther there, which is probably why they all ignore him.

    2. I am seriously tempted to take that picture at the top of the article as my new avatar.

  34. avatar
    nbc August 31, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

    JPotter: Why try to hard to dismiss NBC as wrong when he’s merely fleshing out what you’ve been ignoring?

    Because John understands the relevance of my findings and it scares him

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    Curious George August 31, 2013 at 11:32 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Please don’t ban him. It’s much less traumatic to read his stuff here than to have to wade through the sewage at BR/ORYR.

    I agree with CarlOrcas. I’d keep John around. One never knows when he might say too much and let the cat out of the bag on some important, nonsensical CCCP lead. He doesn’t act like a BR barbarian. He’s inquisitive. And, his belief system is being shattered. 🙁 We should comfort him. 🙂 Group hug John!

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    G September 1, 2013 at 1:30 am #

    Yeah, think about what that says about the rest of the Birther community…ROTFL!

    Dave: 1. Myself, I like having John around. He comes here to engage with us, which few birthers will do. And when I go to ORYR I can’t help noticing his comments are twice as intelligent as any other birther there, which is probably why they all ignore him.

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    Lupin September 1, 2013 at 2:41 am #

    john: It’s amazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything. NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy. I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots. No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery. Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

    You really are an idiot, aren’t you?

    Even I who don’t give a sh*t about and pay little attention to this issue (because it’s an idiotic issue, since only the data matters, not the piece of paper upon which it’s printed) understood in 5 minutes that NBC is NOT trying to create a faux BC (in order to do that, he’d have to have access to the same BC the White House used) but merely to show that all the so-called anomalies that were blamed on alleged forgeries are in fact part of the standard Xerox wc reproduction process, hence no evidence of any forging whatsoever.

    You come across as a complete blithering imbecile.

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    Lupin September 1, 2013 at 2:48 am #

    I think the only real issue left is to expose / continue exposing Zullo for what he is: a fraudster and a con man preying on gullible fools, just as much as the Nigerian spammers.

    It is ironic that the FDA will go after a potentially misleading ad over, say, claims of facilitating weight loss (I’m thinking of the Enviga case), but pseudo religious leaders and crass hucksters like Zullo can operate freely and bilk idiots out of their money by preying on their misguided beliefs.

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    Foggy September 1, 2013 at 7:53 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The folks at BR have retreated to the argument that God told them that I was evil, and consigned me to Hell.

    I seem to recall that Nietzsche said that’s where all the really interesting people are going to be, anyway.

    Hey, for me that’s a good thing, Doc. I’d hate to have our friendship come to an end just because we both died. 😎

    Hey, does John have a different username at BR? I don’t remember reading his posts there.

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    interestedbystander September 1, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    john:
    It’samazing Doc that after about month of NBC’s great discovery of the Xerox, that no Obots have able to reproduce anything.NBC won’t show his PDFs and the PDFs RC produced are lousy.I thought FogBow had hundreds of Obots.No one of them can’t seem to get ahold of Xerox WorkCenter to show the world evidence of NBC’s discovery.Even Frank Arudini can’t even though he claims to some sort superman when comes to the birthers.

    John, I’m in the UK and I can smell your desperation from here.

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    Thinker September 1, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    ORYR, right? What thread was that in?

    CarlOrcas: I just read the exchange. What a sad, pathetic bunch.

  42. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 1, 2013 at 10:31 am #

    Thinker:
    ORYR, right? What thread was that in?

    Try this one: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/08/team-arpaio-obamabots-now-suspects.html#idc-cover

    Be sure to expand the responses.

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    Arthur September 1, 2013 at 10:54 am #

    Foggy: Hey, does John have a different username at BR? I don’t remember reading his posts there.

    He’s “john” here, and “John” at BR. Lately, he’s been posting the schedules of Congress town-hall meetings and urging birthers to attend and speak up. In general, John’s comments lack the bile, hate, and hysterical ignorance of the average BR poster, and so he gets ignored by them.

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    Reality Check September 1, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    One thing John doesn’t tell us about his “testing” is what his criteria are for judging the results. When NBC and I ran test scans we were looking for specific artifacts that the CCP had listed that were indicators that the PDF could only have been created by a forger. The purpose of the test was to see which ones of those artifacts the the WorkCentre produced.

    NBC stated up front that these tests using printed copies of the LFBC could not be conclusive as to the halos since the printed copy of the LFBC already has that artifact. Astute researches found other WorkCentre generated PDF’s posted on line that exhibited halos when documents had black text on colored backgrounds like the LFBC. I think Doc’s research with security background paper well help very much in this area.

    So John, before you try another office supply store why don’t you publish exactly what you are testing, what “anomalies” you expect to find. and what would be considered conclusive. “Lousy” doesn’t cut it.

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    Thinker September 1, 2013 at 11:16 am #

    Ah. I see it now. Thanks.

    CarlOrcas: Try this one: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/08/team-arpaio-obamabots-now-suspects.html#idc-cover

    Be sure to expand the responses.

  46. avatar
    john September 1, 2013 at 11:22 am #

    Well, RC were are still waiting for NBC or any obot to produce a PDF that looks like Obama’s BC PDF. Yours just don’t cut it. For starters, the layers are off and there are no halos. Zullo and Gallup have said many times, they don’t care if people can replicate some of the anomonlies found in Obama’s BC. The fact is no one can replicate all of them with perfect precision to that Obama’s BC.

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    john September 1, 2013 at 11:30 am #

    Now we hear from RC that results really don’t matter (meaning it doesn’t matter if you can create a perfect PDF or PDF) just come with some explanation to explain away the forgery. Then RC and the Obots now have cast off the “expert argument” they like to lay on birthers because they know NBC is not an expert.

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    Northland10 September 1, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    Dave:
    Myself, I like having John around. He comes here to engage with us, which few birthers will do. And when I go to ORYR I can’t help noticing his comments are twice as intelligent as any other birther there, which is probably why they all ignore him.

    John has always come off as the blindly devoted follower. With the exception of his “spanking the judge” incident, he has always been generally respectful in tone. The inmates of ORYR are no more than a racist, hateful, juvenile bunch that are trying to relive their Junior High bullying days when they, wrongfully, felt in charge. John is concern about his issue, the ORYR folks are only concerned about their hate and anger.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 1, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    And we are still waiting for the Cold Case Posse to produce a forgery that in any way matches Obama’s BC PDF. What’s your point?

    The Cold Case Posse said from the beginning that perfect replication was not a reasonable standard. Please stick to the party line.

    [Kevin Dials the phone] Hey, how’s the market? Ah good. Say, could you look into buying some stock in Acme Goal Post movers? I think their revenue prospects look really good this quarter. Thanks.

    john: Well, RC were are still waiting for NBC or any obot to produce a PDF that looks like Obama’s BC PDF.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 1, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

    John the difference between NBC and your so-called experts, is that NBC never presenting himself as something he’s not. And he can tell the difference between a color copier and a workstation. A distinction that a certain buffoon named John could not. How are you able to see the keyboard with all that egg on your face, by the way?

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    nbc September 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    john: Well, RC were are still waiting for NBC or any obot to produce a PDF that looks like Obama’s BC PDF. Yours just don’t cut it. For starters, the layers are off and there are no halos.

    There are halos but since the original has halos, that’s not much of an experiment. I have shown however how halos trivially emerge when running a document through the workflow.

    check here

    Poor John, he knows how devastating my findings really are… And sure, the layers do not match 100% but that’s of little relevance as I have shown how there is quite some variability between consecutive scans.

    Then again, with the CCP remaining quiet, John has to use his own ‘resources’ and we have seen how unimpressive they are..

    Remember the bombshell announcement that President Obama had violated US law when he filed his selective services certificate? Only to find out that it was ignorance of the law that caused this person to make these foolish claims?

    John jumped on board… Only to abandon the sinking ship minutes later.

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    nbc September 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    john: Then RC and the Obots now have cast off the “expert argument” they like to lay on birthers because they know NBC is not an expert.

    I am not an expert however my findings stand as they are, or they are rejected as they are. Since noone really has stepped up to the plate to rebut my claims, this non-expert is still waiting for some rebuttal.

    Starting at PDF’s through Illustrator is just not enough….

    I still cannot believe that the CCP did not even try a Xerox work centre in their ‘experiments’… Wow..

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    CarlOrcas September 1, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    john: Well, RC were are still waiting for NBC or any obot to produce a PDF that looks like Obama’s BC PDF.

    Didn’t you say you had scanned (or was it copied?) Obama’s birth certificate?

    If so why don’t you just e-mail it to Doc so he can post it and we can see what your effort produced?

  54. avatar
    john September 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    I did at Staples on the big Xerox Color Copier (Not WorkCenter however). The result was not even remotely like Obama’s birth certificate

  55. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 1, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    What model was it?

    john: I did at Staples on the big Xerox Color Copier (Not WorkCenter however). The result was not even remotely like Obama’s birth certificate

  56. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    Sure, I’d be glad to host John’s file. Just email it to admin at this domain.

    CarlOrcas: If so why don’t you just e-mail it to Doc so he can post it and we can see what your effort produced?

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    CarlOrcas September 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    john:
    I did at Staples on the big Xerox Color Copier (Not WorkCenter however).The result was not even remotely like Obama’s birth certificate

    Let me get this straight:

    What did you copy? A print out of one of the White House images (one was a PDF and another was JPEG, right?) or something else?

    And, john, be sure to note Doc’s offer to post your image. You do have it, don’t you?

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    nbc September 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    john: I did at Staples on the big Xerox Color Copier (Not WorkCenter however). The result was not even remotely like Obama’s birth certificate

    So you did it on a non work centre Xerox and the relevance of this is exactly what? This is like the drunk looking for his keys under the street light because it was too dark to see where he had dropped them…

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    Rickey September 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

    Foggy:

    Hey, does John have a different username at BR? I don’t remember reading his posts there.

    I don’t know what he does at BR, but in some places he posts under his real name.

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    Daniel September 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

    CarlOrcas: You do have it, don’t you?

    John can’t hear you. He’s out right now desperately trying to do what he claims already to have done.

  61. avatar
    Majority Will September 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

    Birther logic: “I’m interested in how a Lexus drives so I’m test driving a Camry.”

  62. avatar
    misha marinsky September 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

    john: I did at Staples on the big Xerox Color Copier (Not WorkCenter however).The result was not even remotely like Obama’s birth certificate

    I fed Max this morning. What came out the other end was not even remotely like what was in the package. Then I repeated it with Angel. Same result.

    Could John explain what happened?

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    CarlOrcas September 2, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    misha marinsky: I fed Max this morning. What came out the other end was not even remotely like what was in the package. Then I repeated it with Angel. Same result.

    Could John explain what happened?

    The high level technical term for what you have just witnessed, Misha, is: Sh*t happens.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm #

    john:
    I did at Staples on the big Xerox Color Copier (Not WorkCenter however).The result was not even remotely like Obama’s birth certificate

    John, I if I were to try and make pizza dough from scratch, but I used cornstarch and talcum powder, instead of flour and yeast, do you think I would have anything even remotely resembling pizza dough? And would be be wise of me to poo-poo the word of someone who actually made pizza dough the right way?

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    misha marinsky September 3, 2013 at 3:15 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: do you think I would have anything even remotely resembling pizza dough?

    In Birthers’ world, yes.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: And would be be wise of me to poo-poo the word of someone who actually made pizza dough the right way?

    If you don’t poo-poo others, you are clearly a communist.

  66. avatar
    misha marinsky September 3, 2013 at 3:17 am #

    Daniel: John can’t hear you.

    Dave’s not here.

  67. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 3, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    Remind me never to eat pizza at a birther establishment then. =D