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One of us is an idiot

So I have this primitive birther on YouTube trotting out every debunked birther rumor in the book, some of them really old and moldy. So I am trying this new tack: “One of us is an idiot.” Here’s how it goes:

Alan Brooks: Last year Obama attorney Alexandra Hill, of the Newark-based law firm Genova, Burn and Giantomasi, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that it could not be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status.

Kevin Davidson: One of us is an idiot. If you can provide documentation of Alexandra Hill admitting that the birth certificate image is a forgery, then I am the idiot. If you cannot, then you are the idiot.

For more on Hill, see my article—”Shocking Video: Obama’s attorney doesn’t admit birth certificate is a forgery.”

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19 Responses to One of us is an idiot

  1. avatar
    Publius September 12, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    All the birthers are idiots.

  2. avatar
    Crustacean September 12, 2013 at 6:41 pm #

    When I saw the title of this article, I thought, “uh oh, Doc’s on to me!!”

    Self-centered delusions of grandeur, I know…

  3. avatar
    Daniel September 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

    Only gonna work if you can get them to agree on a reasonable interpretation of what “documentation” means.

    To a birther everything written on World Nut Daily or ORYR is “documentation”.

  4. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 12, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    You know Mr. Brooks is an idiot. I know he’s an idiot. Most anyone on this blog knows he is an idiot.

    The problem is that he is blind to the truth and will never acknowledge he is wrong.

    Oh….wait….he’s a birther. Never mind.

  5. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 12, 2013 at 7:24 pm #

    Doc, you’re not a birther so that gives you a +15 bonus against all idiot check rolls.

  6. avatar
    JPotter September 12, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    This tactic has a flaw …. it assumes a common standard of “proof”. Try getting a birfer to agree that “cause I said so” doesn’t “prove” anything! 😀

  7. avatar
    misha marinsky September 12, 2013 at 8:02 pm #

    He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot. – Groucho Marx

  8. avatar
    G September 12, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

    Well done, Doc! Pithy and spot on! We should all remember that responses similar to this are all that is necessary when dealing with the idiocy of babbling, brain-dead birthers…

    Kevin Davidson: One of us is an idiot. If you can provide documentation of Alexandra Hill admitting that the birth certificate image is a forgery, then I am the idiot. If you cannot, then you are the idiot.

    Hilarious! To continue the analogy, birthers are the kings of the critical miss…

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Doc, you’re not a birther so that gives you a +15 bonus against all idiot check rolls.

  9. avatar
    Bonsall Obot September 12, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

    That individual’s interests, as indicated by his YouTube comment history, are somewhat… eclectic? Yes, let’s say eclectic.

  10. avatar
    Craig September 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

    That’s kenyan for “idiot”, right? right??

  11. avatar
    Benji Franklin September 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    Thanks for the CREEPS
    That you’ve given me
    You’re a Birther and out of your mind
    And now that you see
    That you can’t bring him down, go
    Or hear what is true
    Of your kind

    You’re once twice
    Three times an idiot
    And I caught you
    Yes your once twice
    Three times an idiot
    And you really ought to
    Get a life.

  12. avatar
    ZixiOfIx September 13, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    The people who make these things up out of whole cloth aren’t interested in the truth, so you can’t reason with them or shame them into admitting that they’re flat out big, fat lying liars who lie.

    So, when you see:

    President Obama’s mother wasn’t his mother. His father wasn’t his father. He’s gay. His lawyers admit that his birth certificate is a forgery. He was born in Kenya, and I have the proof… you’re wasting your breath/ink/electrons if you think you can change the people who spout them.

    There is an article at Patheos, a site about faith and religion, which has a two-part article about why people bear false witness. I’ve read it more than once in the last few years, as it applies to birthers. It is well worth reading.

    Here are the links:

    False Witness, by Fred Clark^

    False Witness 2, by Fred Clark^

  13. avatar
    Keith September 13, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    ZixiOfIx: The people who make these things up out of whole cloth aren’t interested in the truth, so you can’t reason with them or shame them into admitting that they’re flat out big, fat lying liars who lie.

    Many years ago, in Australia, a colleague of mine came into contact, through his church, with a traveling revivalist preacher who taught that Americans carry the power of Satan around with them every day.

    In this teaching, the ‘Eye in the Pyramid’ on the one dollar note was the eye of Satan and this allowed Satan to know everything that was going on. All kinds of mean, nasty stuff followed on from there.

    It was really difficult to talk my colleague around, he was really worried about this. Finally what made him restart his brain was when I showed him an “Encyclopedia of Symbology” and how the “All-seeing eye” was symbol for the ultimate ‘god-head’ and was so considered by the Freemasons that embedded much of their symbology into early American iconography. That got him at least starting to think again, and at least stop worrying too much about America Satanic manipulation of the world (which was good because I was American, of course).

    But what really made stood him up was when I pointed out that whether or not one believed in the existence of Satan, the idea of Satan is very real, and preachers like the one that he heard are not weakening Satan by telling stupid lies and getting people worked up over nonsense, but in fact are strengthening ‘him’.

    He had only to look at his own reaction and that of his fellow church goers to realize the truth of that. Satan (or the idea of Satan) is much stronger when people are afraid and acting out of that fear than when people simply ignore ‘him’.

    I think he and I were extremely lucky that I stumbled on what he had to hear at just the right time. I expect that the same thing would not work for everyone, but he certainly became a much more thoughtful and happier person. I never found out how the rest of his church fared though.

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    Benji Franklin September 13, 2013 at 1:27 am #

    Well, I guess the Satan’s eye theory helps explain why some of these Birthers want to get all the dollars they can into their pockets, presumably where Satan’s perspective on our world will be limited to becoming congruent with pocket lint.

    Meanwhile, exhibiting their anti-Obama fervor, Carl Gallup et al have unwittingly (excuse the redundancy) given me a fuller understanding of God.

    They don’t seem to blame God for creating Obama or letting him become our President, but I think they would charge God with misprision for not reporting the evidence of Obama’s Article 2 ineligibility, to the nearest U.S. Attorney.

    Ironically, until recently, there was no way to adequately punish the Omnipotent Creator of the Universe for such misdeeds. But now, any God can be brought to his knees, or the brink of ruin, simply by having the IRS revoke his non-profit classification

  15. avatar
    The Magic M September 13, 2013 at 4:20 am #

    They passed me by
    Those lores of birtherism
    They were, I felt, just a fad
    Of anydaynow-ism

    Just racist crap
    Not worth consideration

    But they still dream of the day
    The black guy’s locked away
    A voice of reason, I just have to say

    One of us’s a retard
    No-one’s getting frog-marched
    Out of the White House
    Angry in his basement
    Caught up in his game of cat and mouse
    (One of us’s an idjit
    And a mental midget)

    One of us keeps hoping
    Prez will be eloping
    Perchance to Kenya
    Sorry, birther fool
    You’re just stupid, your brain’s small
    Wishing you were never born at all…

    (With apologies to ABBA. ;))

  16. avatar
    Bob September 13, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    The response I like to give is “Fascinating! Write to your Congressperson with that information.”

    Birthers see repeating debunked, crazy conspiracy theories as their sole political duty as American citizens.

  17. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 14, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    This guy seems to believe every Obama conspiracy theory under the sun like say Obama’s books were written by Bill Ayers or that all of Obama’s photos are photoshopped, etc.

  18. avatar
    Thrifty September 19, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

    Oh God Doc… you didn’t get sucked into the abyss of debating people on Youtube, did you?

  19. avatar
    Publius September 19, 2013 at 8:31 pm #

    You can tell people who’ve gotten sucked into the abyss of debating on YouTube. They have this sad, hollow, haunted look about their eyes.