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Selective Service confirms Obama registration

Sometimes I get burned taking thing for granted. The other day I realized that the Obama Selective Service form formerly published in 2008 that has been criticized by the Cold Case Posse as a fake has never to my knowledge appeared from any reputable source. Was the published image completely authentic? I also wondered, would the best available copy of the selective service form possibly show more detail?

The short answers to those two issues are “yes” and “no.”

I filed my FOIA with the Selective Service System on September 2, and just 10 days later, I had my answer. I asked specifically of the images available were color, black and white or grey scale. They said:

A Xerox :shock: copy in black and white color is enclosed; it is the best copy available to us.

The image I received appears to me to be of about the same quality as what has been published before, and in particular large portions of the postmark are missing–not just the “19”, but  other text and parts of the year number as well. It is obvious on this image that the postmark didn’t reproduce well. There is just a tiny bit from the bottom of another form on my image, suggesting that it derives from a microfilm copy.

What was marginally interesting, from which this article’s title comes, was a sentence in their response letter to me, saying:

Mr. Obama did indeed register with Selective Service and was assigned Selective Service Number 61-1125539-1 on September 4, 1980.

So the President’s registration is confirmed by the agency in charge of selective service registrations, just as his birth in Hawaii is confirmed by the agency in charge of birth registrations in Hawaii.

I’m satisfied. Birthers, of course, have a different view.

Obama Selective Service Registration, FOIA, 9/10/1013

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126 Responses to Selective Service confirms Obama registration

  1. avatar
    Curious George September 13, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Once again another CCCP claim of verifiable, court ready “evidence” goes down in flames. Great job Doc!

  2. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 13, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    Nice one, Doc!

  3. avatar
    JPotter September 13, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    “It is well settled.” :)

  4. avatar
    justlw September 13, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    Oh, and the image I received was described as a “Xerox copy.” :shock:

    Further proof that Xerexian infiltration goes all the way to the top!

  5. avatar
    AROD September 13, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    Comon doc you know the entire state of Hawaii and the entire SS are part of the conspiracy….of course that is the answer they will give you – that is the standing Obama order.

  6. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 13, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    Doc says: (I’m not going to publish this document, since it’s not new information.)

    I haven’t even looked elsewhere but I predict it won’t be long until it’s claimed you are hiding something by not showing what you received.

    Well….I couldn’t control myself: I jumped over to ORYR to see and at 3 pm eastern time their top story is “Barack Obama LOST his citizenship by not registering for Selective Service”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/09/report-barack-obama-lost-his-us.html#idc-cover

    Maybe it’s a Friday the 13th joke? Either that or its a bad day in Birtherstan.

  7. avatar
    Arthur September 13, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    CarlOrcas: “Barack Obama LOST his citizenship by not registering for Selective Service”

    Here’s the original: http://www.coachisright.com/barack-obama-lost-his-citizenship-by-not-registering-for-selective-service/

  8. avatar
    ASK Esq September 13, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    If memory serves (and it does less and less every day), the Selective Service Administration confirmed Obama’s 1980 registration before he took office. The birthers ignored the fact then, they’ll ignore it now.

  9. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 13, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

    Arthur: Here’s the original: http://www.coachisright.com/barack-obama-lost-his-citizenship-by-not-registering-for-selective-service/

    I like the comments on ORYR better; none so far at the Coach’s place but FALCON has finally come out of hiding at ORYR and he’s not having a good day.

  10. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

    You know what they say: those who can’t do, teach, and those who can’t teach, coach. I don’t agree with this, but that’s what they say.

    Arthur: Here’s the original: http://www.coachisright.com/barack-obama-lost-his-citizenship-by-not-registering-for-selective-service/

  11. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    FIFY

    CarlOrcas: none so far APPROVED at the Coach’s place

  12. avatar
    ASK Esq September 13, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I like the comments on ORYR better; none so far at the Coach’s place but FALCON has finally come out of hiding at ORYR and he’s not having a good day.

    Surprisingly, ORYR has an addendum at the end of the piece that starts with the word “Reality” and then lists the penalties for not registering, none of which are loss of citizenship. I guess this is one of the things too crazy even for them to get behind fully.

  13. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

    In fact, they confirmed it before he was elected.

    ASK Esq: If memory serves (and it does less and less every day), the Selective Service Administration confirmed Obama’s 1980 registration before he took office.

  14. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I like the comments on ORYR better; none so far at the Coach’s place but FALCON has finally come out of hiding at ORYR and he’s not having a good day.

    Does Falcon EVER have a good day?
    Well, I can probably answer my own question. With each rising sun, Obama is still our legally elected POTUS, so no. Falcon never has a good day.

  15. avatar
    justlw September 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

    From “George Spelvin”‘s article:

    Barack Obama nee Barry Soetoro!

    Oooh, a special bonus theory-within-a-theory!

    …or, really, an idiot who doesn’t know what “née” means. Not surprising, given that he also thinks “fealty” is an exotic word no one would ever have heard of before.

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm #

    It was a happy coincidence that this FOIA arrived contemporaneous to a couple of birther articles attacking Obama’s Selective Service application. Because of those articles, I decided to include the entire text of my FOIA response and post it on Scribd for convenience.

  17. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    FIFY

    Ah, that makes sense…..such as it is in Birtherstan.

  18. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 13, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Does Falcon EVER have a good day?
    Well, I can probably answer my own question. With each rising sun, Obama is still our legally elected POTUS, so no. Falcon never has a good day.

    Good point. Today he seems to be flailing….a lot….and more than usual. Fascinating to watch.

  19. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

    I have now published my document, since it became a bigger story.

    CarlOrcas: Doc says: (I’m not going to publish this document, since it’s not new information.)

    I haven’t even looked elsewhere but I predict it won’t be long until it’s claimed you are hiding something by not showing what you received.

  20. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I have now published my document, since it became a bigger story.

    This is not going to make the kiddies happy.

  21. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 13, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Good point. Today he seems to be flailing….a lot….and more than usual. Fascinating to watch.

    Falcon is the stereotypical zombie movie idiot, who burns through all of his ammo, on gut and torso shots, despite everyone else screaming “Aim for the HEAD, stupid!!!”

  22. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Falcon is the stereotypical zombie movie idiot, who burns through all of his ammo, on gut and torso shots, despite everyone else screaming “Aim for the HEAD, stupid!!!”

    FALCON is firing blanks.

  23. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 13, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

    CarlOrcas: FALCON is firing blanks.

    Guffaw!

  24. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    All your Xerox are belong to us.

    This article has had a minor revision to make it read more smoothly.

  25. avatar
    The European September 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm #

    I guess FALCON is the even more evil half of Commander Kerchner. I was tempted to say “like Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde”. Dr. Jekyll was a good person, though. Not comparable to Mr. Kerchner.

  26. avatar
    DP September 13, 2013 at 5:59 pm #

    It’s got layers!

    Layers, I tell’s ya’!

  27. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 13, 2013 at 6:01 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    All your Xerox are belong to us.

    *clap*
    Bravo sir, bravo!

  28. avatar
    Crustacean September 13, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Falcon is the stereotypical zombie movie idiot, who burns through all of his ammo, on gut and torso shots, despite everyone else screaming “Aim for the HEAD, stupid!!!”

    ROFL! Quote-of-the-Day worthy, my friend.

  29. avatar
    Keith September 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    justlw:
    From “George Spelvin”‘s article:

    Any relation to Georgina Spelvin?

  30. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 13, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

    Keith: Any relation to Georgina Spelvin?

    LOL!! I was wondering the same thing. I think we’re showing our age!

    (FYI….she’s 77 and still going….with her own website.)

  31. avatar
    Arthur September 13, 2013 at 9:35 pm #

    Keith: Any relation to Georgina Spelvin?

    The name “George Spelvin” has a long history in American theatre:

    “George Spelvin, Georgette Spelvin, and Georgina Spelvin are the traditional pseudonyms used in programs in American theater. The reasons for the use of an alternate name vary. Actors who do not want to be credited, or whose names would otherwise appear twice because they are playing more than one role in a production, may adopt a pseudonym. Actors who are members of the AFL-CIO trade union of professional actors known as Actors Equity Association, but are working under a non-union contract and wish to avoid the significant penalties ranging from substantial fines to revocation of union membership that could result from working under non-union contracts, also use pseudonyms.

    “In some plays, this name has appeared in cast lists as the name of an actor (or actress) portraying a character who is mentioned in the dialogue but never turns up onstage: by crediting the role to ‘George Spelvin,’ the audience is not forewarned that the character never makes an entrance. The name is said to have first appeared on a cast list in 1886 in Karl the Peddler, a play by Charles A. Gardiner. The 1927 musical play Strike Up the Band by George S. Kaufman and George and Ira Gershwin features a character named George Spelvin.

    “‘Georgina Spelvin’ has fallen out of general use since it was adopted as a screen name by pornographic actress Michelle Graham, who was credited by that name in The Devil in Miss Jones (1973) and her subsequent films.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Spelvin

  32. avatar
    G September 13, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

    It is always a bad day in Birtheristan.

    But yeah, I find the irony hilarious that Doc’s article and evidence reconfirming his Selective Service registration comes on the same day that the Birthers try again to make an issue out of that old dead horse chestnut. That it happens to be Friday the 13th to boot… well, that’s comedy gold right there!

    CarlOrcas: Well….I couldn’t control myself: I jumped over to ORYR to see and at 3 pm eastern time their top story is “Barack Obama LOST his citizenship by not registering for Selective Service”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/09/report-barack-obama-lost-his-us.html#idc-cover

    Maybe it’s a Friday the 13th joke? Either that or its a bad day in Birtherstan.

  33. avatar
    TruthandFreedom September 14, 2013 at 12:24 am #

    Can someone please inform me why then that the Selective Service has refused to corroborate this evidence, just as the hospitals in Hawaii refused to corroborate this evidence in the Alabama Supreme court hearing? hmmm

    It’s easy to say something until you are required to state facts under perjury of law and then would be found as aiding and abetting fraud when proven FAKED!

    I’m not for or against Obama… I’m not a Republican nor Democrat…. but I am an AMERICAN and believe that Obama should be made under court order to produce the documents and be properly vetted!! What does he have to fear if he is indeed not a fraud? HE SAID HE WANTED AND BELIEVED IN TRANSPARENCY!!!! If he is indeed a fraud then in truth America deserves to have him removed and tried for fraudulent acts!! For any that want to support him, remember the best support is the TRUTH!!! WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA? THE TRUTH!!!!

  34. avatar
    TruthandFreedom September 14, 2013 at 12:28 am #

    ASK Esq:
    If memory serves (and it does less and less every day), the Selective Service Administration confirmed Obama’s 1980 registration before he took office. The birthers ignored the fact then, they’ll ignore it now.

    They said that until they were required to come to court and confirm as such. Then the selective service card miraculously could not be found! :)

  35. avatar
    G September 14, 2013 at 12:38 am #

    Hey fool. How about you READ the very article you are posting on and look at the embedded document. HELLO….the Selective Service HAS CONFIRMED and corroborated the evidence.

    *DUH*

    TruthandFreedom: Can someone please inform me why then that the Selective Service has refused to corroborate this evidence

  36. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 14, 2013 at 12:48 am #

    TruthandFreedom:
    Can someone please inform me why then that the Selective Service has refused to corroborate this evidence, just as the hospitals in Hawaii refused to corroborate this evidence in the Alabama Supreme court hearing? hmmm

    It’s easy to say something until you are required to state facts under perjury of law and then would be found as aiding and abetting fraud when proven FAKED!

    I’m not for or against Obama… I’m not a Republican nor Democrat…. but I am an AMERICAN and believe that Obama should be made under court order to produce the documents and be properly vetted!!What does he have to fear if he is indeed not a fraud? HE SAID HE WANTED AND BELIEVED IN TRANSPARENCY!!!!If he is indeed a fraud then in truth America deserves to have him removed and tried for fraudulent acts!!For any that want to support him, remember the best support is the TRUTH!!!WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA?THE TRUTH!!!!

    Dude, there is no 5′o’clock free crack giveaway.

  37. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 14, 2013 at 12:50 am #

    G: *DUH*

    These have to be two of the dumbest posts I’ve seen in a long time on the blog.

  38. avatar
    gorefan September 14, 2013 at 1:00 am #

    The P&E interviewed Susan Daniels about the selective Service card. They don’t seem to understand that the card received by Greg Hollister (in violation of Federal law) was printed in 2011 and that is why it has Lawrence Romo’s signature. They think it should have the signature of the director from 1980.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/09/p-exclusive-obama-social-security.html

    Idiots.

  39. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 14, 2013 at 1:01 am #

    TruthandFreedom: They said that until they were required to come to court and confirm as such.Then the selective service card miraculously could not be found!

    Who required Selective Service to “come to court and confirm as such”? When? Where? Details?

  40. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 14, 2013 at 1:04 am #

    gorefan: Idiots.

    Yes. My brain was hurting by the time I finished reading that nonsense at ORYR and then I came here and found the two messages from TruthandFreedom.

    The crazy season is upon us.

  41. avatar
    chancery September 14, 2013 at 3:46 am #

    ISTR that Taitz floated some subpoenas on various federal offices in connection with the Georgia administrative trial. I won’t say “served,” because it seems unlikely, in light of the sternsig principle, that they were properly served.

    One might have been directed to the Selective Service, and if so, probably received some variation on “Nuts!”

  42. avatar
    JoZeppy September 14, 2013 at 7:27 am #

    TruthandFreedom: They said that until they were required to come to court and confirm as such.Then the selective service card miraculously could not be found!

    Can you show: (1) Where the President was ever required to produce his selective service registration in court; and (2) where he ever claimed it could not be found?

    I didn’t think so. So to sum up, you’re an idiot spouting of meaningless garbage that has no basis in reality.

  43. avatar
    JoZeppy September 14, 2013 at 7:46 am #

    TruthandFreedom: Can someone please inform me why then that the Selective Service has refused to corroborate this evidence, just as the hospitals in Hawaii refused to corroborate this evidence in the Alabama Supreme court hearing? hmmm

    No one refused anything. Just the Alabama Supreme court didn’t ask. It wasn’t relevant. What is before the Alabama Supreme court is the legal question of whether the Alabama secretary of state has the duty to confirm presidential candidates. It is not in the business of taking evidence.

    TruthandFreedom: It’s easy to say something until you are required to state facts under perjury of law and then would be found as aiding and abetting fraud when proven FAKED!

    Then I suppose the fact that no court has ever required the President to produce or state anything under penalty of perjury might be relevant at this point.

    TruthandFreedom: I’m not for or against Obama… I’m not a Republican nor Democrat….

    Sure you’re not. I suppose next you’ll say you’re a birther.

    TruthandFreedom: but I am an AMERICAN and believe that Obama should be made under court order to produce the documents and be properly vetted!!

    And I’m sure you demanded the exact same thing of every presidential candidate.

    TruthandFreedom: What does he have to fear if he is indeed not a fraud?

    Perhaps he’s just not an idiot, and realizes that no matter what he produces birthers will just keeping asking for something else (you know…like his kindergarten records) and just drag out fake experts that don’t have the first clue what they’re taking about, claiming everything is a fake….you know…like they actually have been doing.

    TruthandFreedom: HE SAID HE WANTED AND BELIEVED IN TRANSPARENCY!!!!

    Yes he did. But he never said that he will answer every stupid question that an unruly mob of ungovernable idiot who will never be satisfied asks.

    TruthandFreedom: If he is indeed a fraud then in truth America deserves to have him removed and tried for fraudulent acts!!

    And perhaps if you nutters has an iota of evidence, this rant would be relevant.

    TruthandFreedom: For any that want to support him, remember the best support is the TRUTH!!! WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA? THE TRUTH!!!!

    Perhaps what is best for America is to continue to ignore idiot birthers who don’t have the slightest grasp on reality?

  44. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 14, 2013 at 8:31 am #

    Can someone please inform me why TruthandFreedom suggests that the Selective Service has to refused to corroborate information in a comment on an article where the Selective Service corroborates the information?

    TruthandFreedom: Can someone please inform me why then that the Selective Service has refused to corroborate this evidence, just as the hospitals in Hawaii refused to corroborate this evidence in the Alabama Supreme court hearing? hmmm

  45. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 14, 2013 at 8:45 am #

    Taitz’ subpoenas in Georgia to a host of individuals, both on the birther side and the normal side, were blown off. In general, a subpoena in a Georgia court is not enforceable outside Georgia. And even in Georgia, she would have had to go to Superior Court to get an order to enforce the subpoenas. Jablonski unsuccessfully tried to have the subpoena of President Obama quashed. Sheriff Joe got the county attorney to explain to her why the subpoena wasn’t valid. See:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/01/arizona-sheriff-blows-off-taitz-subpoena/

    For a list of some of the Taitz subpoenas, see:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/01/moved/

    chancery: ISTR that Taitz floated some subpoenas on various federal offices in connection with the Georgia administrative trial. I won’t say “served,” because it seems unlikely, in light of the sternsig principle, that they were properly served.

  46. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 14, 2013 at 10:26 am #

    TruthandFreedom: They said that until they were required to come to court and confirm as such.Then the selective service card miraculously could not be found!

    Neither Hospital Staff nor Selective Service has been required to come to court to verify anything.

  47. avatar
    donna September 14, 2013 at 10:38 am #

    DOC:

    change your scribd post to 2013: Obama Selective Service Registration, FOIA, 9/10/1013

  48. avatar
    Curious George September 14, 2013 at 11:54 am #

    Doc,
    I would also post a copy of the Selective Service System envelope with your address redacted just to help eliminate any Birther doubt.

  49. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 15, 2013 at 12:15 am #

    Thanks,

    donna: change your scribd post to 2013: Obama Selective Service Registration, FOIA, 9/10/1013

  50. avatar
    G September 15, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    He must be from Bizarro world. That is the only explanation I can think of for why he has such an opposite reaction to the truth. In other words, he’s from Planet Birther.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Can someone please inform me why TruthandFreedom suggests that the Selective Service has to refused to corroborate information in a comment on an article where the Selective Service corroborates the information?

  51. avatar
    Lupin September 15, 2013 at 3:17 am #

    The suspicious “Same as above” on Line 6 is an anagram for “Amoeba Saves” proving without a doubt that Obama is controlled by the Reptilians.

  52. avatar
    dunstvangeet September 15, 2013 at 4:43 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    All your Xerox are belong to us.

    What you say?!?!?!?

  53. avatar
    RanTalbott September 15, 2013 at 8:19 am #

    gorefan: They don’t seem to understand that the card received by Greg Hollister

    They don’t know it was sent to Hollister: some of them are actually accusing Romo of “treason” because he “accepted a back-dated registration”. I’m sure they’ll swear that, if you peel off the Post-its, you’ll find a 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue address under them.

  54. avatar
    Rickey September 15, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    gorefan:
    The P&E interviewed Susan Daniels about the selective Service card.They don’t seem to understand that the card received by Greg Hollister (in violation of Federal law) was printed in 2011 and that is why it has Lawrence Romo’s signature.They think it should have the signature of the director from 1980.

    Idiots.

    The most recent copy of my birth certificate was signed by a different registrar than the one who signed my original birth certificate 51 years earlier.

    Very suspicious.

  55. avatar
    Keith September 15, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

    Arthur: The name “George Spelvin” has a long history in American theatre:…

    I didn’t know that.

    Its always a good day when you learn something new.

  56. avatar
    carl September 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    Just one minor question. Being that the SSS form was apparently filed in Hawaii in 1980, even though all the errors have been apparently explained away answer me this one question. Wasnt Obama a student on register in Ca between 1979 and 1981, so would you think that he would have filed in Ca instead. And lets just say that on July 29, oops 30th, he went to Hawaii to file, then came back home to Ca to get ready for classes, didnt he provide false information about current and permanent address??? But give him credit though, did you know that July 27-30, 1980 was when every post office in the country were taking SSS forms from persons born in 1961

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    donna September 15, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    Rickey: The most recent copy of my birth certificate was signed by a different registrar than the one who signed my original birth certificate 51 years earlier.

    Very suspicious.

    BEST roar of the day!!!!!

  58. avatar
    JayHG September 15, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    CarlOrcas:

    CarlOrcas
    September 14, 2013 at 1:01 am CarlOrcas(Quote)
    #

    TruthandFreedom: They said that until they were required to come to court and confirm as such.Then the selective service card miraculously could not be found!

    Who required Selective Service to “come to court and confirm as such”? When? Where? Details?

    Oh please….”They” are not required to have details. In birtherworld, “They” are the total authority and last word….so quit your whining….

  59. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 15, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

    Rickey: The most recent copy of my birth certificate was signed by a different registrar than the one who signed my original birth certificate 51 years earlier.

    Very suspicious.

    #1 has obviously been shipped off to a FEMA camp. No doubt about it.

  60. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 15, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    JayHG: Oh please….”They” are not required to have details.In birtherworld, “They” are the total authority and last word….so quit your whining….

    Speaking of whining……where is john?

  61. avatar
    Northland10 September 15, 2013 at 8:54 pm #

    JayHG: Oh please….”They” are not required to have details.In birtherworld, “They” are the total authority and last word….so quit your whining….

    I now read from the “most wholey gospol of birfers, chapter 1″:

    “It is believed by they… that is the truth… so eat it commie”

  62. avatar
    The Magic M September 16, 2013 at 4:21 am #

    donna: change your scribd post to 2013: Obama Selective Service Registration, FOIA, 9/10/1013

    Oh noes, did Doc reveal his access to our time machine again? I don’t think Soros will be pleased… too many leaks…

  63. avatar
    Keith September 16, 2013 at 7:47 am #

    CarlOrcas: Speaking of whining……where is john?

    Ooooooh! That was a low blow.

    Speaking of low blows, where is Scott E?

  64. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 16, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    From what I gather, Doc punched his ticket to Banville.
    It was a one way ticket, if memory serves.

  65. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny September 16, 2013 at 9:19 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    You know what they say: those who can’t do, teach, and those who can’t teach, coach. I don’t agree with this, but that’s what they say.

    Sorry for the late reply. But wasn’t the entire quote “Those who can, do, those who cannot, teach, those who cannot teach, write books about it”.

    Of course, the birfer equivalent of that last one would be “set up a website about it”.

  66. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    carl: Just one minor question.

    TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT!!!

    And, for the record, this “carl” is not this Carl.

  67. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 16, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    carl: Just one minor question. Being that the SSS form was apparently filed in Hawaii in 1980, even though all the errors have been apparently explained away answer me this one question. Wasnt Obama a student on register in Ca between 1979 and 1981, so would you think that he would have filed in Ca instead. And lets just say that on July 29, oops 30th, he went to Hawaii to file, then came back home to Ca to get ready for classes, didnt he provide false information about current and permanent address??? But give him credit though, did you know that July 27-30, 1980 was when every post office in the country were taking SSS forms from persons born in 1961

    You’ve never been to college have you? One going to college elsewhere doesn’t usually consider their college to be their permanent address. It would have been unusual for him to claim California as his permenant address. So to answer your question. No he didn’t commit fraud.

  68. avatar
    Bovril September 16, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    SSS….?

    SO which is little “carl” burbling on about

    Social Security
    Selective Service

    And how is filling in either application somehow suspicious..?

    I must say the quality (for want of a better word) of Birfoons and Trolls of late has hit an all time low. Do they have no pride in their work product…?

  69. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 10:21 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: You’ve never been to college have you?One going to college elsewhere doesn’t usually consider their college to be their permanent address.It would have been unusual for him to claim California as his permenant address.So to answer your question.No he didn’t commit fraud.

    This one really is stupid…..despite the name. The address on Obama’s Selective Service registration card is his grandparents, as I recall.

  70. avatar
    justlw September 16, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

    carl: Just one minor question.

    Wow, it’s like Lt. Columbo, back from the dead! So… Zombie Lt. Columbo!

  71. avatar
    MattR September 16, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: You’ve never been to college have you? One going to college elsewhere doesn’t usually consider their college to be their permanent address. It would have been unusual for him to claim California as his permenant address. So to answer your question. No he didn’t commit fraud.

    My understanding is that the student has quite a bit of flexibility in deciding his permanent address. There is a student in NC running for the city council based on his college address. Republicans tried to have him thrown off the ballot because it was a college address, but they failed in their attempt.

  72. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 16, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    MattR: My understanding is that the student has quite a bit of flexibility in deciding his permanent address.There is a student in NC running for the city council based on his college address.Republicans tried to have him thrown off the ballot because it was a college address, but they failed in their attempt.

    When I was in college I first used my home address back on the west coast as a permanent address. During my junior year I changed my permanent address to my college address because I intended to stay on the east coast. I also registered to vote from college.

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    RanTalbott September 16, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    MattR: Republicans tried to have him thrown off the ballot because it was a college address, but they failed in their attempt

    However, iirc, they then turned around and passed a state law that forbids college students to register at their college address. Despite the fact that such laws have already been ruled unconstitutional.

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    RanTalbott September 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    carl: so would you think that he would have filed in Ca instead

    Guess you never went to college: most students take the summer off, just as they did in primary and secondary school.

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    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: When I was in college I first used my home address back on the west coast as a permanent address.During my junior year I changed my permanent address to my college address because I intended to stay on the east coast.I also registered to vote from college.

    Another birther tempest in a teapot. What you say is absolutely correct. Never having lived on campus my guess is that using a dorm address as a permanent address is fraught with problems….especially if you leave town for the summer.

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    jayHG September 16, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    CarlOrcas: CarlOrcas
    September 15, 2013 at 8:19 pm CarlOrcas(Quote)
    #

    JayHG: Oh please….”They” are not required to have details.In birtherworld, “They” are the total authority and last word….so quit your whining….

    Speaking of whining……where is john?

    Hilarious!!…poor John….so much delusion….so little time….

  77. avatar
    Rickey September 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

    carl:
    Just one minor question.Being that the SSS form was apparently filed in Hawaii in 1980, even though all the errors have been apparently explained away answer me this one question. Wasnt Obama a student on register in Ca between 1979 and 1981, so would you think that he would have filed in Ca instead.And lets just say that on July 29, oops 30th, he went to Hawaii to file, then came back home to Ca to get ready for classes, didnt he provide false information about current and permanent address???But give him credit though, did you know that July 27-30, 1980 was when every post office in the country were taking SSS forms from persons born in 1961

    The academic year at Occidental College begins the last week of August and ends in mid-May. Why would Obama have been in California in late July?

  78. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 16, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    Rickey: The academic year at Occidental College begins the last week of August and ends in mid-May. Why would Obama have been in California in late July?

    “You lose, you get nothing, good day to you sir”

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    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    Rickey: The academic year at Occidental College begins the last week of August and ends in mid-May. Why would Obama have been in California in late July?

    Because he’s a Communist. Sheesh.

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    justlw September 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    How did Obama get past the well-documented travel ban in place from California to Hawaii in 1980? It’s obvious: he had to have used his Connecticut passport.

    Sure, you may say Carl-not-Orcas is crazy. But I say he’s crazy like a fox. No, really; this sounds like it was written by a feral mammal with mental issues.

  81. avatar
    Rickey September 16, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Because he’s a Communist. Sheesh.

    Thanks for setting me straight!

  82. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

    Rickey: Thanks for setting me straight!

    Any time. I used to live in California. I know how it works.

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    misha marinsky September 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

    TruthandFreedom: What does he have to fear if he is indeed not a fraud?

    carl: didnt he provide false information about current and permanent address???

    Excellent concerns. I think I found the Kenya BC you are looking for:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2009/09/another-kenyan-birth-certificate.html

  84. avatar
    The Magic M September 17, 2013 at 6:26 am #

    Bovril: I must say the quality (for want of a better word) of Birfoons and Trolls of late has hit an all time low.

    That’s because with only ORYR still riding the birther train, they have to come up with their own crap instead of parroting somebody else’s crap. The former is much harder for people with few brain cells and lots of hatred to fill their cranial space.

    In the past years, you could watch birthers lob a few volleys back in a conversation until they hit the point where their parroted claims no longer sufficed and they had to try and start using their own minds (unsuccessfully, of course, which is why that was the point where they started hurling insults). Today, that point is usually reached already after the first posting.

  85. avatar
    RanTalbott September 17, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

    justlw: How did Obama get past the well-documented travel ban in place from California to Hawaii in 1980?

    Russian submarine. It’s how all the important spies travelled. I saw a documentary about it on “Sea Hunt”.

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    misha marinsky September 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

    justlw: It’s obvious: he had to have used his Connecticut passport.

    No, he used his passport from New Mexico.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Mexico-is-Not-Part-of-Mexico-You-Dumb-Ass/140561302702118

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    Carl September 17, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    You are correct, I never attended college and I will agree that as a permanent address, you would list your home address just like I did. The issue I was questioning though was not the permanent but the current mailing address which I should think would be were you reside at the time. Or is permanent and current always considered the same? Also I would agree with the summer break idea from academics, but depending on what you are involved with, you could be present at the campus several weeks before classes start. Now let me finish with this though, I may be crazy, doesn’t really matter but it doesn’t take much to do alittle online research and comparisons to see that stuff just dont add up. Addresses are trival, partial missing stamps are coincidental and out of sequence form numbers are unimportant as long as the majority of U.S. citizens feels that no type of fraud has been committed. As far as I go, dont know, just stuff dont make sense and that is what bothers me.

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    Carl September 17, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    Bovril:
    SSS….?

    SO which is little “carl” burbling on about

    Social Security
    Selective Service

    And how is filling in either application somehow suspicious..?

    I must say the quality (for want of a better word) of Birfoons and Trolls of late has hit an all time low. Do they have no pride in their work product…?

    BTW….learn your gov agencies, SSS= Selective Service System……Social Security=SSA

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    CarlOrcas September 17, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    Carl: Now let me finish with this though, I may be crazy, doesn’t really matter but it doesn’t take much to do alittle online research and comparisons to see that stuff just dont add up. Addresses are trival, partial missing stamps are coincidental and out of sequence form numbers are unimportant as long as the majority of U.S. citizens feels that no type of fraud has been committed. As far as I go, dont know, just stuff dont make sense and that is what bothers me.

    What “doesn’t add up” or “make sense” for you?

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    gorefan September 17, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

    Carl: partial missing stamps are coincidental

    You are ignoring the fact that the 1980 registration information for three men who registered for the Selective Service within days of each other at the same Honolulu Post Office, have numbers that could not be coincidence.

    Barack Obama – JUL 29 1980 DLN – 0897 080 632, SS 61-1125539-1 DOB 8/4/61
    Darrel Oniwa – JUL 31 1980 DLN – 0897 080 653, SS 61-1125556-5 DOB 12/3/61
    Bruce Henderson – AUG 2 1980 DLN – 0897 080 613, SS 61-1125522-7 DOB 08/25/61

    Carl: out of sequence form numbers are unimportant

    Ah’Nee – 09945 – DOB 8/23/61, Kapiolani Hospital
    Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – DOB 8/05/61, Kapiolani Hospital
    Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638 – DOB 8/05/61, Kapiolani Hospital
    Obama, Barack – 10641 – DOB 8/04/61, Kapiolani Hospital
    Waidelich, Stig – 10920 – DOB 8/05/61, Kapiolani Hospital

    Sunahara, Virginia – 11080 – DOB 8/04/61, Wahiawa General Hospital

    What were you saying?

  91. avatar
    Carl September 17, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

    What I’m saying is that DLNs are sequenced numbers, Obama and Oniwa numbers make perfect sense, in ascending order and also the SS numbers are also ascending. Why is Hendersons DLN lower and also the SS is lower?
    Those where the sequence numbers that I was saying unimportant. Now the birth certificate numbers do make sense when you look at how the reporting system was back then.

  92. avatar
    gorefan September 17, 2013 at 11:59 pm #

    IIRC, the DLNs were added by the SSS after they were sent to them by the Post Office.

    How they were handled is unknown – alphabetically, randomly, chronologically? We do know they are in alphabetic order:

    Henderson
    Obama
    Oniwa

    From an e-mail by Richard S. Flahavan Associate Director, Public and Intergovernmental Affairs, Selective Service System National Headquarters

    “At that time when Mr. Obama registered, the first three characters (089) indicated that the form was keyed in by one of the contract keying centers – in this case 089 equated to the Internal Revenue Service.”

    http://wiki.birtherdebunkers.net/index.php?title=President_Obama's_Selective_Service_Registration

  93. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 18, 2013 at 12:01 am #

    Carl: Now the birth certificate numbers do make sense when you look at how the reporting system was back then.

    How was the the “reporting system….back then”?

    BTW….if you would use the “Quote” function it would be much easier to follow your responses. Notice it’s right next to name and date on the message. If you just hit “Quote” it will copy the whole message into your response. If you just want a sentence or two just highlight them and then hit quote.

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    Slartibartfast September 18, 2013 at 12:07 am #

    Carl,

    Just because “stuff doesn’t add up” to you doesn’t mean that there is anything amiss. Gorefan’s post is an excellent example. Looking at all of the 1961 BC numbers we know, a clear pattern emerges: it appears that a batch of certificates from Kapi’olani Hospital were alphabetized prior to numbering. Virginia Sunahara’s may have been out of sequence due to being born at a different hospital or due to her death shortly after her birth. The fact is that if President Obama’s BC# wasn’t a little bit higher than the Nordyke numbers with a much bigger gap before Stig’s number then it would, in fact, be suspicious.

    The important thing here is that the Obots have a hypothesis as to how the numbering works (which Doc C came up with a couple of years ago). We can look at the existing data and determine if it is consistent with the hypothesis (it is), but we can also use the hypothesis to predict the BC# of anyone born in Hawai’i in 1961 if we know their last initial and which “batch” they were born in (relative to President Obama). That is the ultimate test of a hypothesis—does it allow you to make accurate predictions?—and the lack of any coherent hypothesis (about this or any other “anomaly” in President Obama’s past) is what makes birthers such dishonest fools.

    All you need to do is to come up with a theory which makes President Obama’s birth certificate number suspicious (i.e. out of sequence) and use that theory to make an fairly accurate (better than the Doc C’s, anyway) prediction about the number of someone else born around the same time given their name and date of birth. This is how the scientific method works. Unfortunately birthers are only looking for something that appears to reinforce their false narrative regarding President Obama and have no interest in coming up with any kind of work flow to justify whatever numbering convention they make up to smear the president.

    The fact is that all of the examples you listed (and any others that you could list) of things that “don’t add up” are easily explained by anyone with a modicum of knowledge, reasoning ability, and objectivity. Three things that you, like all birthers, are sadly lacking.

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    gorefan September 18, 2013 at 12:42 am #

    Carl: Those where the sequence numbers that I was saying unimportant.

    Another number to chew on:

    Ventura, John – JUL 31, 1980 DLN – 0897080104, SS 61-1125168-9 DOB 12/21/61 He registered at the post office in Kapaa, HI.

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    justlw September 18, 2013 at 2:33 am #

    Carl, the quibbles you notice are the little things that accumulate over the course of any person’s life. It would be weirder if there weren’t any such found — especially since there have been people desperately scouring the planet to find every possible discrepancy related to Obama.

    The flip side of this is how heavy the lifting would have to be if his SSS form were indeed forged. It has not one but two sequence numbers that are in the right range for the time it would have been submitted — and was in the SSS system prior to his election in 2008.

    The CCP’s attempt to demonstrate how it could be forged is a continuing source of hilarity, and requires gathering materials that would be extremely hard to come by (specifically the ’70s era Makiki Station stamper), while positing that our genius forgers could not find a “19″ — by definition, the most common two-digit stamper number sequence of the 20th Century. Followed by the miraculous acquisition of the appropriate sequence numbers and insertion of the card into the SSS record system, during a GOP administration.

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    Keith September 18, 2013 at 3:23 am #

    RanTalbott: Russian submarine. It’s how all the important spies travelled. I saw a documentary about it on “Sea Hunt”.

    I think it was a Chinese Submarine.

    Like this one: Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt catches a ride on a Chinese Submarine

    Its fun to read that site, especially if you start from the home page. Check out Wikipedia article on Harold Holt for the ‘official story’ from the CIA’s puppet regime in Canberra.

  98. avatar
    Keith September 18, 2013 at 3:25 am #

    Carl: BTW….learn your gov agencies,SSS= Selective Service System……Social Security=SSA

    Its hard to remember all those TLAs. There are 17576 of the blasted things.

  99. avatar
    Whatever4 September 18, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    Carl:
    You are correct, I never attended college and I will agree that as a permanent address, you would list your home address just like I did.The issue I was questioning though was not the permanent but the current mailing address which I should think would be were you reside at the time. Or is permanent and current always considered the same?Also I would agree with the summer break idea from academics, but depending on what you are involved with, you could be present at the campus several weeks before classes start.

    If you live on campus (which Obama did at Oxy), the dorms don’t open up until a few days before classes start. Plus you rarely have the same dorm room in year 2 that you had in year 1. Year 1 is usually assigned, year 2 you usually choose your roommate yourself. That’s one reason on-campus housing isn’t your permanent address. I’m not sure Obama would have known what his year 2 address would have been in late July.

  100. avatar
    Keith September 18, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

    Whatever4: If you live on campus (which Obama did at Oxy), the dorms don’t open up until a few days before classes start. Plus you rarely have the same dorm room in year 2 that you had in year 1.

    I think that at Northern Arizona, I could have had the same P.O. Box from year to year though. In 1969. Mail didn’t come to the dorm room, it went to the campus PO. Some dorms might have had their own PO boxes though, so if you changed dorms between years you would have had different P.O. boxes I suppose.

  101. avatar
    Rickey September 18, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

    Carl:
    You are correct, I never attended college and I will agree that as a permanent address, you would list your home address just like I did.The issue I was questioning though was not the permanent but the current mailing address which I should think would be were you reside at the time.

    Why would Obama, or any other student, list his temporary college address when registering with Selective Service? This was in 1980, several years after the draft ended. Once he was registered he would have had no expectation of ever hearing from the draft board.

    Besides, as has already been pointed there is no reason to believe that Obama was in California in July, 1980. His family was middle class, and he had a choice between living with his grandparents for free at home or scraping together the money to rent an apartment in L.A. for the summer. Which option would you have chosen?

  102. avatar
    MattR September 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    justlw: Carl, the quibbles you notice are the little things that accumulate over the course of any person’s life. It would be weirder if there weren’t any such found — especially since there have been people desperately scouring the planet to find every possible discrepancy related to Obama.

    Isn’t this one of the first rules of policework? Discrepancies are to be expected so if everybody’s story matches exactly down to the small details, that is a pretty good indicator that the story is fabricated. I would be much more concerned if absolutely everything in Obama’s life was perfectly in order without any mistakes ever having been made.

    Rickey: Why would Obama, or any other student, list his temporary college address when registering with Selective Service? This was in 1980, several years after the draft ended. Once he was registered he would have had no expectation of ever hearing from the draft board.

    My rule of thumb was that if there was going to be semi-regular communication then I would use my college apartment address (like a bank statement, credit card bill, etc). But if it was the draft or something similar where I might not hear back for years, then I made sure to use my parents address since I knew they would be there 10 years later to forward anything important to my current location.

  103. avatar
    The Magic M September 19, 2013 at 3:52 am #

    MattR: I would be much more concerned if absolutely everything in Obama’s life was perfectly in order without any mistakes ever having been made.

    Still that’s also part of a conspiracist mindset – to believe “everything is in order” is suspicious is not saner than to believe “any discrepancy is suspicious”.
    The real conspiracy believer of course incorporates both – discrepancies are proof of foul play and no discrepancies are proof of cover-up of foul play.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 19, 2013 at 3:04 pm #

    The Magic M: Still that’s also part of a conspiracist mindset – to believe “everything is in order” is suspicious is not saner than to believe “any discrepancy is suspicious”.
    The real conspiracy believer of course incorporates both – discrepancies are proof of foul play and no discrepancies are proof of cover-up of foul play.

    Also known as Heads I win, Tails you lose. Mario law.

  105. avatar
    retirediceagent September 20, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

    I find it amusing that Obama supporters will just make up facts to cover for Obama.

    For example, there are several issues on the Selective Service Registration Card. Most could have alternate explanations whether these explanations are correct or not, who knows.

    The one unanswered issue is why Obama’s Selective Service Registration card the ONLY KNOWN ONE which has a two digit year instead of a four digit year!

    I have heard attempts at explanation of “Four digit years were not important until the change of the century on 2000″.

    And “The IBM PC was not invented until 1981″

    etc.

    But the fact remains that the post office was using four digit years in their hand cancelation stamps before and after 1980. No other known two digit hand cancelation stamp has been found on any letter, post card, package, etc. from that post office (or other post office) from 1980.

    The hand stamp has date, month, and year inserts. So did the clerk temporarily lose his 1980 insert so he found a 1908 insert in a drawer somewhere, cut off the 19 and put the remaining 08 back in upside down and off center? And then finding the lost 1980 stamp reinsert it for the rest of the days work?

    Or did someone in 2008 responding to requests for a registration dummy one up using a 2008 (cutting off the 20 and reinserting the 08 upside down) ?

    Which do you think is more likely?

    And why did the Selective Service, once this came out, declare the registration cards “non records” so they could destroy them?

    By the way Obama used the CT social security number on the registration.

  106. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    You would do well to look under the “Conspiracies” topic drop-down box upper left on the page to at least get current on “Selective Service”.

    I would first ask you whether you are serious in you remark? How many Selective Service registrations from 1961 have you looked at? 10? 5? 2?

    And I would ask not to drop comments onto articles to which they are unrelated. Use the Open Thread (link up top) or put it on an appropriate article–I moved your comment here. But if you are here to just dump the same text that’s already on the Internet, don’t bother. These comments are for discussion, not for chain emails.

    retirediceagent: The one unanswered issue is why Obama’s Selective Service Registration card the ONLY KNOWN ONE which has a two digit year instead of a four digit year!
    I have heard attempts at explanation of “Four digit years were not important until the change of the century on 2000″.

  107. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    retirediceagent: The one unanswered issue is why Obama’s Selective Service Registration card the ONLY KNOWN ONE which has a two digit year instead of a four digit year!

    How many registration cards have you reviewed?

  108. avatar
    The Magic M September 20, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    retirediceagent: I find it amusing that Obama supporters will just make up facts to cover for Obama.

    No, that would be birthers, to justify their hatred of Obama.

    Dr. Conspiracy: How many Selective Service registrations from 1961 have you looked at?

    I think you meant 1980. :)

    retirediceagent: the ONLY KNOWN ONE which has a two digit year instead of a four digit year

    So if there’s a single black sheep among the white sheep, you assume it must’ve been painted black by somebody?

    Also, if you look at the comparison stamps the CCP showed: how many such stamps are missing an “O” in “HONOLULU”? Did the CCP rely on a forgery during their comparisons? Please ask Zullo next time you see him.

  109. avatar
    The Magic M September 20, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Also known as Heads I win, Tails you lose. Mario law.

    I usually refer to it as Catch-22, the birthers’ favourite game.

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    Arthur September 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    retirediceagent: The one unanswered issue is why Obama’s Selective Service Registration card the ONLY KNOWN ONE which has a two digit year instead of a four digit year!

    You should talk to your congressman about this before Obama get’s reelected!!

  111. avatar
    Majority Will September 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    retirediceagent: I find it amusing . . .

    Why would anyone care what you find amusing?

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    Majority Will September 20, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

    retirediceagent:
    I find it amusing that Obama supporters will just make up facts to cover for Obama.

    For example, there are several issues on the Selective Service Registration Card.Most could have alternate explanations whether these explanations are correct or not, who knows.

    The one unanswered issue is why Obama’s Selective Service Registration card the ONLY KNOWN ONE which has a two digit year instead of a four digit year!

    I have heard attempts at explanation of “Four digit years were not important until the change of the century on 2000″.

    And “The IBM PC was not invented until 1981″

    etc.

    But the fact remains that the post office was using four digit years in their hand cancelation stamps before and after 1980.No other known two digit hand cancelation stamp has been found on any letter, post card, package, etc. from that post office (or other post office) from 1980.

    The hand stamp has date, month, and year inserts.So did the clerk temporarily lose his 1980 insert so he found a 1908 insert in a drawer somewhere, cut off the 19 and put the remaining 08 back in upside down and off center?And then finding the lost 1980 stamp reinsert it for the rest of the days work?

    Or did someone in 2008 responding to requests for a registration dummy one up using a 2008 (cutting off the 20 and reinserting the 08 upside down) ?

    Which do you think is more likely?

    And why did the Selective Service, once this came out, declare the registration cards “non records” so they could destroy them?

    By the way Obama used the CT social security number on the registration.

    See if your post passes all of the following rules for rational debate:

    The Ten Commandments of Rational Debate

    1. Thou shall not attack a person’s character but the argument itself. (“Ad hominem”)

    2. Thou shall not misrepresent or exaggerate a person’s argument in order to make it easier to attack. (“Straw Man Fallacy)

    3. Thou shall not use small numbers to represent the whole. (“Hasty Generalization”)

    4. Thou shall not argue thy position by assuming one of its premises is true. (“Begging the Question”)

    5. Thou shall not claim that because something occurred before, it must be the cause. (“Post Hoc/False Claim”)

    6. Thou shall not reduce the argument down to two possibilities. (“Fake Dichotomy”)

    7. Thou shall not argue that because of our ignorance that the claim must be true or false. (“Ad Ignorantiam”)

    8. Thou shall not lay the burden of proof onto him who is questioning the claim. (“Burden of Proof Reversal”)

    9. Thou shall not assume “this” follows “that” when “it” has no logical connection. (“Non Sequitor”)

    10. Thou shall not claim that because a premises is popular, therefore, it must be true. (“Bandwagon Fallacy”)

    Which rules did you fail?

  113. avatar
    ScottRS September 20, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    retirediceagent:
    I find it amusing that Obama supporters will just make up facts to cover for Obama.

    Facts, by definition, cannot be “made up”.

    Do try harder next time.

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    Rickey September 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm #

    retirediceagent:

    For example, there are several issues on the Selective Service Registration Card.Most could have alternate explanations whether these explanations are correct or not, who knows.

    This is all that you need to know:

    “Mr. Obama did indeed register with Selective Service and was assigned Selective Service Number 61-1125539-1 on September 4, 1980.” – Richard S. Flahavan, Associate Director of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs, Selective Service System, September 10, 2013

    That’s a fact, Jack.

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    justlw September 20, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

    retirediceagent: I have heard attempts at explanation of “Four digit years were not important until the change of the century on 2000″.

    And “The IBM PC was not invented until 1981″

    Yes, those are exactly the reasons. Lovely, lovely straw-filled reasons, that fall over like things that easily fall over.

    retirediceagent: The hand stamp has date, month, and year inserts. So did the clerk temporarily lose his 1980 insert so he found a 1908 insert in a drawer somewhere, cut off the 19 and put the remaining 08 back in upside down and off center? And then finding the lost 1980 stamp reinsert it for the rest of the days work?

    Or did someone in 2008 responding to requests for a registration dummy one up using a 2008 (cutting off the 20 and reinserting the 08 upside down) ?

    You’d think I’d get tired of this, but I don’t — it’s pure comedy gold every time!

    The hand stamp is from Makiki Station and was made sometime in the 1960s. (Do you know why we know this?) Almost certainly one of fewer than 10 ever made. Team Forgery was able to get them one of these, but they couldn’t get a “19″, the (sing it with me!) most common two-digit combination of the 20th Century.

  116. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 20, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    Rickey: This is all that you need to know:

    “Mr. Obama did indeed register with Selective Service and was assigned Selective Service Number 61-1125539-1 on September 4, 1980.” – Richard S. Flahavan, Associate Director of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs, Selective Service System, September 10, 2013

    That’s a fact, Jack.

    Is this perhaps our former retired intelligence agent troll? Who kept changing names

  117. avatar
    Rickey September 20, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Is this perhaps our former retired intelligence agent troll?Who kept changing names

    Or it could be John Sampson, although I don’t recall if Sampson ever commented on the Selective Service registration.

  118. avatar
    h2ooflife.wordpress.com/ September 21, 2013 at 4:23 am #

    Heeeeeerrrrreee’s the graphic! http://obamabc.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sss_card_debunked-b.jpg

  119. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 21, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    I saw a documentary on this technique recently. The presenter shows the person what they are supposed to see, in this case with lines, and then the brain becomes biased into seeing it. The arbitrary line drawing is the same technique used to trick the viewer by the CCP in the past. Such tricks are dishonest and shameful.

    And you’re still banned.

    h2ooflife.wordpress.com/:
    Heeeeeerrrrreee’s the graphic!http://obamabc.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sss_card_debunked-b.jpg

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    CarlOrcas September 21, 2013 at 10:32 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Such tricks are dishonest and shameful.

    To say nothing of stupid.

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    gorefan September 21, 2013 at 10:54 am #

    h2ooflife.wordpress.com/:
    Heeeeeerrrrreee’s the graphic!http://obamabc.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sss_card_debunked-b.jpg

    Instead of drawing a lot of bogus lines, wouldn’t it be easier to overlay the “80″ from President Obama’s card onto the “80″ from another card?

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    CarlOrcas September 21, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    gorefan: Instead of drawing a lot of bogus lines, wouldn’t it be easier to overlay the “80″ from President Obama’s card onto the “80″ from another card?

    I liked the explanation……blow it up 600%, reduce it 75%…blah, blah. What’s next? Do the Hokey Pokey?

    I put my right hand in,
    I put my right hand out,
    In out, in out.
    shake it all about.

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    Majority Will September 21, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

    h2ooflife.wordpress.com/:
    Heeeeeerrrrreee’s the graphic!http://obamabc.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sss_card_debunked-b.jpg

    That is profoundly idiotic.

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    Slartibartfast September 21, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

    I thought that David Farrrrraaarrarrararararrrr was the stupidest birther out there until I saw Adrien’s ravings Of couse, David is doing his best to keep up.

    Majority Will: That is profoundly idiotic.

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    Majority Will September 21, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    Slartibartfast:
    I thought that David Farrrrraaarrarrararararrrr was the stupidest birther out there until I saw Adrien’s ravingsOf couse,David is doing his best to keep up.

    Some people didn’t get enough attention as a child.

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    The Magic M September 23, 2013 at 4:30 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The arbitrary line drawing is the same technique used to trick the viewer by the CCP in the past. Such tricks are dishonest and shameful.

    Paul Irey did this to “prove” his “different fonts” theory about the LFBC until I destroyed that theory on WND and he never mentioned it again (after taking about 10 attempts to finally admit “some” of his drawn lines might be incorrect).