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    Curious George December 26, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

    I’m curious to know when y’all think Karl Gal-Oooops and Mike Zoo-lowe will be releasing their new fiction novel about their antics over the past year? Will “john” be first in line at the local 7-11 store to get an autographed copy? Will they send Doc a copy for his reference? I think they should.

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    justlw December 26, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

    A recent comment on the discussion page for the WP article on Barack Obama conspiracy theories:

    The unmentioned connection between the Obama administration and the Molokai airline (Makani Kai): Most of the revenue of Makani Kai is from the Obama administration, in the form of an exclusive two-year contract of $932,000 per year. http://www.hawaiibusiness.com/Hawaii-Business/March-2012/Cheaper-Now-to-Fly-into-Kalaupapa/

    So this is a very exciting revelation! A year after Obama releases his clumsy forgery of a web page illustration, he realizes it isn’t doing the trick, and the only way to put this behind him is to do someone in, in a way that will be needlessly attention-grabbing. The word goes out: “subsidize the route from Kalaupapa to Honolulu!” The trap is set, and it only takes another year and a half for the jaws to snap shut.

    Conclusion: Any time there’s been a death associated with anything federally funded in the last few years, a birther gets his tinfoil wings.

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    CarlOrcas December 26, 2013 at 8:16 pm #

    justlw: Conclusion: Any time there’s been a death associated with anything federally funded in the last few years, a birther gets his tinfoil wings.

    It’s only going to get worse. There are about 150 airports covered by the EAS (Essential Air Service subsidies. The possibilities are now endless….endless I tell you!!

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    Lupin December 27, 2013 at 3:06 am #

    I found Fox’s recent near-hysterical resistance to the notion that Santa Claus could be anything but white a Rorschach blot-like illustration of the basic birther notion that the US President couldn’t be anything but white.

    I’m sure they also think God is white.

    This, once again, demonstrates that racism is at the core of the birther movement.

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    The Magic M December 27, 2013 at 5:21 am #

    Lupin: I’m sure they also think God is white.

    Of course God must be white and male (a female god would’ve created woman first, then man from her rib). But we all know who wrote these fairytale stories…

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 27, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    There is the story of the Klansman who arrived in heaven after a deathbed conversion. St. Peter told the fellow that they were about to meet God: “Let me warn you–She’s black.”

    The Magic M: Of course God must be white and male (a female god would’ve created woman first, then man from her rib). But we all know who wrote these fairytale stories…

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 27, 2013 at 10:04 am #

    Orly offers the court a choice:

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/12/orly_taitz_duck_dynasty_gay.php

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    Jim December 27, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Orly offers the court a choice:

    She forgot the one the court uses on her all the time…ignore Orly.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 27, 2013 at 10:48 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Orly offers the court a choice:

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/12/orly_taitz_duck_dynasty_gay.php

    I think their answer will be a resounding “…who are you?”

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 27, 2013 at 12:03 pm #

    I was just thinking that we are tuned into Orly Taitz, but there’s no reason to believe she’s unique. I suspect the courts get tons of stuff like this all the time.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I think their answer will be a resounding “…who are you?”

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 27, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    The “World Tribune” has republished its July 8, 2013, nonsense about Mike Zullo under the banner of “Greatest hits of 2013.” Given the accuracy of the article, I think “greatest misses” is a more appropriate category.

    http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/12/26/greatest-hits-2013-forensic-findings-on-obamas-birth-certificate-a-100-percent-forgery-no-doubt-about-it/

    I touched on the original article here:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/10/googling-obamas-birth-certificate/

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 27, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I was just thinking that we are tuned into Orly Taitz, but there’s no reason to believe she’s unique. I suspect the courts get tons of stuff like this all the time.

    And I imagine a fair number of them are make up caked crazies, and self-styled “patriots”.

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    CarlOrcas December 27, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Given the accuracy of the article, I think “greatest misses” is a more appropriate category.

    Speaking of misses……where is Zullo?

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    gorefan December 27, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    FWIW, I’m not sure if this has been discussed yet.

    Brooke Paige filed a Motion for Reargument with the Vermont Supreme Court. Mario is listed as his advisor.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/190256398/Paige-Vs-Vermont-and-Obama-Motion-For-Reargument

    He wants them to clarify his position on NBC and to reconsider their mootness argument. His arguments on mootness aren’t terrible but he really goes off the tracks with the arguments for why the Court needs to render a decision on the meaning of NBC (44 through 48).

    Item 6 and 7 are my favorites where he blames the appellees for making his case moot.

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    Majority Will December 27, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    gorefan:
    FWIW, I’m not sure if this has been discussed yet.

    Brooke Paige filed a Motion for Reargument with the Vermont Supreme Court.Mario is listed as his advisor.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/190256398/Paige-Vs-Vermont-and-Obama-Motion-For-Reargument

    He wants them to clarify his position on NBC and to reconsider their mootness argument.His argumentson mootness aren’t terrible but he really goes off the tracks with the arguments for why the Court needs to render a decision on the meaning of NBC (44 through 48).

    Item 6 and 7 are my favorites where he blames the appellees for making his case moot.

    Poor birther fools need a better hobby. Too much spare time. Zero common sense.

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    Crustacean December 27, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

    Visiting relatives in NY for the Holidays, I had to chuckle at what I read on the front page of this morning’s New York Times: Cornell professor of law (and friend of the blog :) ) Michael C. Dorf was quoted in reference to the same-sex marriage kerfuffel going on in Utah.

    I guess he’s recovered from his failed plan to pay (Dr. Evil voice) ONE MILLION DOLLARS for Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate, and has somehow managed to move on with his life.

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    Lupin December 28, 2013 at 2:41 am #

    gorefan: Brooke Paige filed a Motion for Reargument with the Vermont Supreme Court. Mario is listed as his advisor.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/190256398/Paige-Vs-Vermont-and-Obama-Motion-For-Reargument

    He wants them to clarify his position on NBC and to reconsider their mootness argument. His arguments on mootness aren’t terrible but he really goes off the tracks with the arguments for why the Court needs to render a decision on the meaning of NBC (44 through 48).

    Item #1 is pure unadulterated rubbish. The alleged “Vattelian model” simply does not exist, other than in Mario’s twisted imagination.

    Not only there is no evidence or source they could quote to bolster their ill-conceived notion, but it has already been debunked by the Congress Research Office (or whatever it’s called).

    I don’t know the legalities of placing such a document before a Court but were they to actually consider what it says, they would find it erroneous right from item 1.

    Mr Paige was here a while ago, if I recall correctly, and struck me as a well-intention, mild-mannered, gullible idiot.

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    Curious George December 28, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    CarlOrcas: Speaking of misses……where is Zullo?

    Remember the “Highlights” magazines in the waiting room at the dentist’s or doctor’s office? You know the one. The magazine would present a picture and the goal was to find all of the hidden objects in the picture. Seems to me, Zoo-Low, his magic forgery and the whole birther crew are hidden in a huge puzzle picture. Fortunately for the observant, it’s not too difficult to find them all and see that their “evydunce” makes little sense, is biased and will eventually expose the Zoo-Low crew for what they are. Hopefully, this embarrassment will all end soon.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 28, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    NBC (not the network) reports on Darren Huff appeal:

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2013/12/28/tn-us-v-huff-appeal-docket/

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    CarlOrcas December 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    Curious George: Remember the “Highlights” magazines in the waiting room at the dentist’s or doctor’s office? You know the one.

    Yes, indeed. It’s way beyond to comprehension level of most birthers.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 28, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    I saw the words “legal assistant.” I wonder how Apuzzo feels about that.

    gorefan: Brooke Paige filed a Motion for Reargument with the Vermont Supreme Court. Mario is listed as his advisor.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 28, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

    So, the last two stories on birther report are whinge pieces, about how congressmen, when asked point blank, have the audacity to insist that Obama is in fact an American citizen, despite being handed sooper seekrit sher’f kits. ;)

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    CarlOrcas December 29, 2013 at 1:03 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    So, the last two stories on birther report are whinge pieces, about how congressmen, when asked point blank, have the audacity to insist that Obama is in fact an American citizen, despite being handed sooper seekrit sher’f kits.

    And the regulars are in quite a lather. It’s time for a revolution or, if that isn’t convenient, maybe just lay down on the floor and throw a fit.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 29, 2013 at 1:49 am #

    Is there a secret version of the kit? The standard kit is available on Volin’s web site.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    So, the last two stories on birther report are whinge pieces, about how congressmen, when asked point blank, have the audacity to insist that Obama is in fact an American citizen, despite being handed sooper seekrit sher’f kits. ;)

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    Suranis December 29, 2013 at 2:34 am #

    Can’t tell you. The existence or not of the Secret Sherrif’s Kit is a secret.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is there a secret version of the kit? The standard kit is available on Volin’s web site.

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    bovril December 29, 2013 at 3:38 am #

    Aha…..

    By the power of the almighty BitterDelusional Sooper Inference Engine that must mean THERE IS A SEEKRIT SHURRIFS KIT…!!!!!!

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    Crustacean December 29, 2013 at 10:46 am #

    Yesterday’s Birther Report offered up the gripping tale of Mike Volin and CDR Charles Kerchner’s visit to Congressman Charlie Dent, to whom the dynamic duo had “personally presented the information contained in the Sheriff’s Kit in September in a district office. [Oberleutnant] Zullo had joined the session by telephone. Volin said the meeting lasted ‘almost two hours,’ with Dent’s communications director also in attendance.”

    [O.M.G. the Big Guns! I could fee the drama radiating from my laptop's monitor]

    “He asked question after question… ‘Why didn’t John McCain do anything about this?’ I said, ‘Excuse me, congressman, but this information wasn’t available when McCain was running.’ ‘Why didn’t Gov. Linda Lingle do anything?’ ‘Well, she did, but her health department director, Chiyome Fukino, said that it was ‘half-typed and half-handwritten.’ The next governor, Neil Abercrombie, said he couldn’t even find it. When we played the part about the Selective Service stamp forgery, he said, ‘I’ve never seen this,’ and I said, ‘Well, congratulations.’ ”

    [Double OMG!! The tension by this point is building to a crescendo. Finally, the wheels are in motion! This is Universe Shattering! Obama's days are surely numbered now!]

    “Anyway, five weeks after giving him the presentation, his answer was he ‘believes Obama is an American.’ ”

    Oh, snap! Not exactly the “Soylent Green is people!!” moment the birthers are looking for. I think being a birther must be akin to being eternally trapped in a prison cell with nothing to do but read an endless stack of mystery novels, with the last page of each one torn out.

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    CarlOrcas December 29, 2013 at 11:22 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: whinge

    I believe what you see is what you get.

    This sort of stuff is nothing new. We used to get a similar package or two every week when I was in the news business. Some were big international deals, others were local fantasies. One I recall involved some South Pacific islands.

    You name the conspiracy and some poor soul has taken the time to put together page after page (often single spaced with no paragraphs and lots of CAPS) of copy describing in painful detail the dastardly deed they (and usually they alone) have managed to uncover.

    I kinda miss the smell of mimeograph fluid in the morning mail.

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    gorefan December 29, 2013 at 11:28 am #

    Crustacean: Obama is an American

    Apparently, they have not figured out that ‘he’s an American citizen’ means that he has a real, legitimate birth certificate.

    It looks like Congressman Dent has looked at the sheriff’s kit and decided it is a crock.

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    gorefan December 29, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Is there a secret version of the kit?

    I don’t think so. In the latest article is this about their September visit to Congressman Dent’s office,

    “For 45 minutes, the congressman asked him questions, and Mike Zullo gave him information that nobody has heard before. It should have opened his eyes.”

    So some of the super secret evidence must not be very compelling.

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    CarlOrcas December 29, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    gorefan: Zullo gave him information that nobody has heard before. It should have opened his eyes.”

    There’s a shock.

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    donna December 29, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    Cruz Taking Steps To Renounce Canadian Citizenship

    ENFIN!!!!

    the HARVARD LAWYER didn’t KNOW he had DUAL CITIZENSHIP?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/29/ted-cruz-canadian_n_4515506.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    Ted Cruz says he’s hired lawyers to renounce Canadian citizenship

    isn’t HE a “lawyer”?

    “Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents’ nationalities.”

    “But the strong legal consensus is that with even one American parent — a circumstance shared by Obama and Cruz — a child born anywhere qualifies as a “natural born American,” entitled to citizenship at birth and therefore eligible to serve as president.”

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20131228-ted-cruz-says-hes-hired-lawyers-to-renounce-canadian-citizenship.ece

    PERHAPS he doesn’t know where to mail the application:

    If you are living in Canada or the United States, on the envelope to mail your application, print:

    Case Processing Centre – Sydney
    Renunciation
    P.O. Box 10000
    SYDNEY, NS B1P 7C1

    CIT 0302 – Application to Renounce Canadian Citizenship Under Subsection 9(1)

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/CIT0302ETOC.asp

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    Arthur December 29, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    Loretta Fuddy Murdered for Knowing Too Much!!

    . . . anyway, that’s what The Globe says. Also, the Queen of England told Princess Kate that she has only 6 months to live and Camillia is begging for forgiveness. PLUS–don’t miss your 2014 Horoscope!!

    http://www.globemagazine.com/story/1111

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm #

    Hey, that’s great to know if you suddenly find yourself Canadian.

    donna: If you are living in Canada or the United States, on the envelope to mail your application …

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    Joey December 29, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

    Some of the birthers are so upset with Senator Cruz for not stating unequivocally that he is not a natural born citizen and therefore he can’t be president.

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    Suranis December 29, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    Yup, by doing so he would clear the air and gain lots of support for his 2016 run for president.

    Until he is crushed by Mitt Romney, of course.

    Joey:
    Some of the birthers are so upset with Senator Cruz for not stating unequivocally that he is not a natural born citizen and therefore he can’t be president.

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    Keith December 29, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    Sheriff Joe’s partners in corruption only have to cough up $100K; a lot less than the $500K originally fined.

    Andrew Thomas, Lisa Aubuchon, and Rachel Alexander Ordered to Pay Back Discipline Costs

    Andrew Thomas, Lisa Aubuchon, and Rachel Alexander have been ordered to pay back $101,294 in restitution for the cost of their disciplinary proceedings.

    Thomas, a former Maricopa County Attorney, and Aubuchon, his go-to deputy, were disbarred last year in high-profile proceedings that followed several years of intrigue and corruption committed with Sheriff Joe Arpaio. A three-member panel that included the state’s Disciplinary Judge, William O’Neil, found that Arpaio and Thomas launched unethical attacks on their county political enemies with the help of Aubuchon.

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    Northland10 December 29, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    gorefan: I don’t think so.In the latest article is this about their September visit to Congressman Dent’s office,

    “For 45 minutes, the congressman asked him questions, and Mike Zullo gave him information that nobody has heard before.It should have opened his eyes.”

    So some of the super secret evidence must not be very compelling.

    The Congressman’s response, “it is of no concern.”

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 30, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Hey, that’s great to know if you suddenly find yourself Canadian.

    That happened to a guy I knew. Bitten by a radioactive Llama, at a petting zoo…then the next day? *BAM* Woke up Canadian, and with all the powers of a Llama.

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    Lupin December 31, 2013 at 12:07 pm #

    Happy New Year to one and all here.

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    Arthur December 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    Praise God– there’s another RWNJ march in the works that is certain to be just as efficacious as Larry Klayman’s colossal success!

    An inspired group of Constitution-loving patriots want to eviscerate the Constitution in order to “save the republic” i.e., establish their version of a right-wing dictatorship. It’s called Operation American Spring and D-Day is May 16, 2014 in Washington, D.C.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/579896202096261/?source=1

    According to the organizers, “OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING will be a gigantic step in removing the flea infestation that is sucking the blood out of America.” Ah, comparing those you hate to bloodsucking parasites . . . I know I’ve heard that metaphor before, but where? http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/weltparasit.htm

    These “We the People-ers” are calling for 10,000,000 patriots, some of whom will undoubtedly be “killed, wounded, or incarcerated” to “assemble in a non-violent, physically unarmed (Spiritually/Constitutionally armed), display of unswerving loyalty to the US Constitution and against the incumbent government leadership, in Washington, D.C., with the mission to bring down the existing leadership.”

    Oh, I get it! To save the Constitution, you’ve got to destroy the Constitution! Makes perfect sense. And how will this process of salvation begin?

    “One million or more of the assembled 10 million must be prepared to stay in D.C. as long as it takes to see Obama, Biden, Reid, McConnell, Boehner, Pelosi, and Attorney General Holder removed from office. The senior republican in the US House of Representatives will become Speaker of the House and the US House of Representatives will elect a temporary President and Vice President of the United States. The U.S. Senate will take action to elect a new majority and minority leader.”

    But wait, there’s more!

    “As required, the U.S. Congress will execute appropriate legislation to convene new elections or U.S. States will appoint replacements for positions vacated consistent with established constitutional requirements.”

    Sure, that all sounds perfectly legitimate. And constitutionalish. Just like the following:

    “Those with the principles of a West, Cruz, Lee, DeMint, Paul, Gov Walker, Sessions, Gowdy, Jordan, Issa, will comprise a tribunal and assume positions of authority to convene investigations, recommend appropriate charges against politicians and government employees to the new U.S. Attorney General appointed by the new President.”

    And to any who think this smells a bit Third-Reichish, don’t be alarmed. The organizers are assured that “all actions . . . will be consistent with the U.S. Constitution.”

    What a relief!

  42. avatar
    gorefan December 31, 2013 at 11:06 pm #

    Over at Birthers Report, Lucas Smith has posted a color copy of the fake Kenya BC. But it is missing Helton’s signature and stamp.

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/12/revealed-pristine-image-of-footprint-on.html

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    JPotter January 1, 2014 at 1:37 am #

    gorefan: Over at Birthers Report, Lucas Smith has posted a color copy of the fake Kenya BC.

    And, over at his blog, LDS makes no attempt to explain away the differences between this new version and his old one (look, it’s flatter! unsigned! unstamped! and comes in a nice shade of ivory!), much less why this silly sheet should be more acceptable to birfers (well, beyond purporting to connect Obama to Kenya) than the docs Obama has provided.

    And why did it take so long to produce this full sheet? The ‘better’ footprint image was foisted on us many weeks ago. And why is the resolution still so low, only 904×1242 for a full page? Goodness, what a mystery.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/barack-obama-birth-certificate-from-coast-province-general-hospital-mombasa-kenya-1961/

    Goofball cain’t even re-forge his own forgeries right.

    I also love the comments at BR … demanding the adult Obama compare his foot to the infant print presented by LDS. If an adults foot doesn’t matches an infant’s … IMPEACH!

    Nuts.

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    Rickey January 1, 2014 at 10:47 pm #

    Meanwhile, it appears that Obama is conspiring with China, Canada, and aliens from outer space to bring down America.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/jim-garrow-reveals-obamas-secret-plan-use-aliens-and-canadians-plot-against-america

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    CarlOrcas January 2, 2014 at 12:10 am #

    Rickey:
    Meanwhile, it appears that Obama is conspiring with China, Canada, and aliens from outer space to bring down America.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/jim-garrow-reveals-obamas-secret-plan-use-aliens-and-canadians-plot-against-america

    Ah…the Canadians. I’ve been to Canada. They look like us (some of us, anyway) and they talk like us (for the most part) and, of course, they drive on the same side of the road!! They’ll be all the way to El Paso before we know what’s happening. Diabolical!!

    Which side of the road do aliens use….anyone know?

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    JPotter January 2, 2014 at 12:02 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Which side of the road do aliens use….anyone know?

    The outisde of course; they’re friggin’ aliens!

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    roxy7655 January 2, 2014 at 10:35 pm #

    They tell me Australians use the underside.

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    CarlOrcas January 2, 2014 at 11:01 pm #

    roxy7655:
    They tell me Australians use the underside.

    Also been there. It’s upside down and they drive on the wrong side!!

    So….what are the aliens going to do there????

    On top of all that their money is made out of plastic.

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    roxy7655 January 2, 2014 at 11:07 pm #

    Yeah, I never get to go anywhere. I just hear the stories…

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    CarlOrcas January 2, 2014 at 11:15 pm #

    roxy7655:
    Yeah, I never get to go anywhere.I just hear the stories…

    Seriously…….it is a wonderful country full of delightful people.

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    nbc January 3, 2014 at 1:55 pm #

    gorefan:
    Over at Birthers Report, Lucas Smith has posted a color copy of the fake Kenya BC.But it is missing Helton’s signature and stamp.

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/12/revealed-pristine-image-of-footprint-on.html

    Oops…

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 3, 2014 at 2:37 pm #

    nbc: Oops…

    And as I understand, Lucas’s latest fake has the wrong date format.

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    JPotter January 3, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: And as I understand, Lucas’s latest fake has the wrong date format.

    Everything about it follows American convention, not British; it was after all, an American colony … I think. I may need to doublecheck. Will get back to you. ;)

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    Rickey January 3, 2014 at 3:59 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: And as I understand, Lucas’s latest fake has the wrong date format.

    And until the mid-sixties Kenya used the British Imperial system of weights and measures.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2014 at 4:05 pm #

    As someone who has pretty extensive experience with US vital records, I would say that the item “maiden surname” is more often used in the British Commonwealth than in the United States, although it is sometimes used here.

    JPotter: Everything about it follows American convention, not British; it was after all, an American colony … I think. I may need to doublecheck. Will get back to you.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2014 at 4:12 pm #

    In what I believe to be an authentic current Kenyan Government birth certificate, the box is labeled “Name and Maiden Name of Mother” (and “Name and Surname of Father’). This modern certificate, which is issued after copying information from the official register to the form, was for a birth in 1983. There is an important item, “Name and Description of Informant,” which appears also on Obama’s Hawaiian certificate, but is missing from the Smith certificate.

    Dr. Conspiracy: As someone who has pretty extensive experience with US vital records, I would say that the item “maiden surname” is more often used in the British Commonwealth than in the United States, although it is sometimes used here.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2014 at 4:14 pm #

    NBC has an interesting summary of some research by Fogbow poster Fre into Orly Taitz’ great white hope to bring down Obama, Harry Bounel. This research suggests that the Census record is in error as to spelling and to the exact age of the person.

    The real name is Harry Boymel, born in 1886, with SSN 080-18-6078 (nothing like Obama’s).

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    CarlOrcas January 4, 2014 at 5:58 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    NBC has an interesting summary of some research by Fogbow poster Fre into Orly Taitz’ great white hope to bring down Obama, Harry Bounel. This research suggests that the Census record is in error as to spelling and to the exact age of the person.

    The real name is Harry Boymel, born in 1886, with SSN 080-18-6078 (nothing like Obama’s).

    What a nice job of research and a very plausible story…..certainly more plausible than anything birthers have managed to dredge up.

    It rings true with me because of the parallels in my family’s past:

    The family name was changed when my great, great grandfather went into the Union Army with his German name and came out with it translated, literally, into English. Ours is the only branch of the family with the new name and others with the original name remain in the eastern U.S. and Canada.

    My father’s family disappears from the 1920 census but fortunately they were in a small town and I was able to find all the original enumerator’s sheets and discover that he/she had simply transposed a couple letters in the family name. From that I assumed the enumerator may have been from out of town since my grandfather was the local mail carrier and owned a couple businesses in town…..a well know fellow.

    This, of course, is the American way…..which Orly and her ilk don’t seem to understand.

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    CarlOrcas January 4, 2014 at 6:00 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: There is an important item, “Name and Description of Informant,” which appears also on Obama’s Hawaiian certificate, but is missing from the Smith certificate.

    Of course. To be truthful (?) he would have had to put his own name in there and that would have been a dead giveaway.

  60. avatar
    RanTalbott January 5, 2014 at 5:09 am #

    nbc: Oops…

    I read somewhere (but I don’t care enough to bother figuring out where) that Smith’s story is that he got an insider to do a new scan, or scans, of the original in the hospital files. So this is not supposed to be a better image of his forged “certified copy”.

  61. avatar
    JPotter January 5, 2014 at 9:42 am #

    RanTalbott: I read somewhere (but I don’t care enough to bother figuring out where) that Smith’s story is that he got an insider to do a new scan, or scans, of the original in the hospital files. So this is not supposed to be a better image of his forged “certified copy”.

    And therefore free of provenance or chain of custody. He could have at least provided some staged video of the frightened insider smuggling a thumb drive out of Coast General, with Obama’s wetboys hot on his trail!

    Or altered a random COA from a sports memorabilia outifit …. this one appears to be well within LDS limited skills ;)

  62. avatar
    donna January 5, 2014 at 9:47 am #

    previously i posted: Cruz Taking Steps To Renounce Canadian Citizenship (above) and included the address for the request

    NOW canadian lawyers are responding:

    Sen. Ted Cruz still citizen of U.S. and Canada

    Richard Kurland, a Vancouver-based immigration attorney, wonders what’s taking so long. Kurland said Friday that unless there’s a security or mental health issue that hasn’t been disclosed, renouncing citizenship is a simple, quick process.

    “If he’s attempting to bring our system into disrepute by suggesting it’s lengthy and complex, it’s just not true. Revocation is one of the fastest processes in our system,” said Kurland.

    Stephen Green, an immigration lawyer in Toronto, was equally perplexed.

    “It’s not complicated at all,” said Green, whose firm, Green and Spiegel, reached out to offer help to Cruz at one point but never received a reply from the senator’s office.

    “They make sure you understand what you’re doing, that you’re not going to become a stateless person, and then you’re rock ‘n’ roll, and good to go. I would assume that if he’s retained counsel, this could have been done by now.”

    Canada’s best-known citizenship renouncer, media magnate Conrad Black, said in an e-mail Friday that it “doesn’t take long” for the revocation process to work.

    He added Cruz may come to regret the move.

    “He’s making a mistake; he’ll never go higher in the U.S. electoral system than he is now, and Canada’s a better governed country than the U.S.,” said Black, who gave up his Canadian citizenship in 2001 in order to accept a peerage in the British House of Lords.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/01/03/ted-cruz-canada-dual-citizenship/4308583/

  63. avatar
    James M January 5, 2014 at 2:48 pm #

    donna: who gave up his Canadian citizenship in 2001 in order to accept a peerage in the British House of Lords.

    I did not know it was required to give up Commonwealth citizenship in order to serve as a Peer in the House of Lords.

  64. avatar
    Keith January 5, 2014 at 8:31 pm #

    James M: I did not know it was required to give up Commonwealth citizenship in order to serve as a Peer in the House of Lords.

    From Black’s Wikipedia article:

    Peerage controversy and citizenship
    Main article: Black v. Chrétien

    In 2001, British Prime Minister Tony Blair advised Queen Elizabeth II to confer on Black the dignity of a life peerage with the title of Baron Black[n 4][77] Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien gave the opinion to his government’s nationality department that a Canadian citizen should not receive a British titular honour, citing the 1919 Nickle Resolution. Black at the time held both Canadian and British citizenship. After the Federal Court of Canada ruled against Black in his suit against Chrétien, Black renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2001, remaining a citizen of the UK. In a May 2012 interview with Peter Mansbridge, Black said he will consider applying for Canadian citizenship “within a year or two” when he hoped the matter would no longer be controversial and he could “make an application like any other person who has been a temporary resident.”[78] The decision to grant or reject his application would be at the discretion of the federal Cabinet.[79] He has been on Leave of Absence as a peer following release in May 2012.[80]

    His full life peer style is Baron Black of Crossharbour in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets.

    Interesting that the Canadians don’t let Canadian citizens take British titular honours but the Australians do let Australians take such honours. The Aussies don’t recommend British honours anymore, but they don’t refuse them if offered.

    FYI, the phrase ‘following release in May 2012′ refers to this indiscretion:

    In 2004, a shareholder-initiated prosecution of Black began in the United States over $80 million in assets claimed to have been improperly taken or inappropriately spent by Black.[4] Black has publicly maintained his innocence since the original indictment.[5][6] He was convicted of three counts of fraud and one count of obstruction of justice in a U.S. court in 2007 and sentenced to six and a half years’ imprisonment. Two of the charges were overturned on appeal and in 2011 he was resentenced on the one remaining count of mail fraud and on the one count of obstruction of justice to an amended prison term of 42 months and a fine of US$125,000.[7] Black was released on May 4, 2012.[8]

  65. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 6, 2014 at 9:15 am #

    New old video surfaced on December 25. Lucas Smith, Michelle Obama comment, edited grandmother tape.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx0icCFG1PQ

  66. avatar
    The Magic M January 6, 2014 at 9:46 am #

    JPotter: 7 STEPS THAT’LL LAND OBAMA IN JAIL

    Par for the course at WND. Indistinguishable from their “2 weird tricks that will make you slim” and “Get rich with gold in 5 easy steps” scam ads.

  67. avatar
    gorefan January 6, 2014 at 9:57 am #

    Oh boy, Mike Volin must really think that he is impotent.

    “Mike Volin issues a challenge to the White House to release the Birth Certificate Posted on the White House website for inspection by experts, and to include the Wheres Obamas Birth Certificate team members.”

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2014/01/07/challenge-to-the-white-house-release-the-birth-certificate-for-inspection

  68. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater January 6, 2014 at 10:01 am #

    gorefan: Oh boy, Mike Volin must really think that he is impotent. “Mike Volin issues a challenge to the White House to release the Birth Certificate Posted on the White House website for inspection by experts, and to include the Wheres Obamas Birth Certificate team members.”http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2014/01/07/challenge-to-the-white-house-release-the-birth-certificate-for-inspection

    lol hahaha experts meaning idiots he picks and chooses this is laughable

  69. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 6, 2014 at 10:35 am #

    I don’t think “experts” means what Mike Volin thinks it does.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: “Mike Volin issues a challenge to the White House to release the Birth Certificate Posted on the White House website for inspection by experts, and to include the Wheres Obamas Birth Certificate team members

  70. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater January 6, 2014 at 11:04 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I don’t think “experts” means what Mike Volin thinks it does.

    Oh we already know who his experts will be: Kerchner, Sharon Rondeua, Miki Booth, Jeff Harrison and that birther running for governor who wants an international team to look at the BC.

  71. avatar
    JPotter January 6, 2014 at 11:13 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: an international team to look at the BC.

    …. this thought from the same folks that kick and scream over anything regarding the UN or any form of int’l court and denigrate the importance of needing allies in military conflict.

    All that, but hey, let’s outsource the selection of our Chief Executive.

    Must have their Cog. Diss. Filter opened up to “Anything Goes” :D

  72. avatar
    Rickey January 6, 2014 at 12:08 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    NBC has an interesting summary of some research by Fogbow poster Fre into Orly Taitz’ great white hope to bring down Obama, Harry Bounel. This research suggests that the Census record is in error as to spelling and to the exact age of the person.

    The real name is Harry Boymel, born in 1886, with SSN 080-18-6078 (nothing like Obama’s).

    That is excellent work, and quite convincing. Harry Boymel’s SSN has a New York prefix, which makes sense since he was living in New York when Social Security was enacted in 1935.

    We long suspected that the entry in the 1940 census was wrong because the census taker got her information from Harry’s landlord and never spoke with Harry (Paul Lentz at The Fogbow has identified the enumerator as Laura Amerlio). It looks like the landlord guessed at his age. I was pretty certain that Harry’s surname was not Bounel, but it never occurred to me that the third letter in his name might be a y.

    I see telephone listings for 17 people in the U.S. with the surname Boymel, including one in Brooklyn and one in Potomac, MD. Potomac is a suburb of D.C. so that person could well be one of Harry’s descendants.

    The next step is to request a copy of Harry Boymel’s SS-5 and confirm where he was living when he applied to his SSN.

  73. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 6, 2014 at 12:34 pm #

    Orly is now calling for her ghouls to investigate a plane crash completely unrelated to Fuddy’s
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=444641#comments
    And look at the filth that comes crawling in, why…it’s John!
    The person who died in the crash was from Mexico, but what are John’s thoughts about that?

    “John
    January 5th, 2014 @ 7:37 pm
    I’ll bet you it was a coke run.”
    Oh…so because the people on the plane were Mexican, drugs must have somehow been involed? Wow, he’s Orly’s kind of scum!
    That’s a nasty thing to say, as it is, compounded by the fact that the person he’s talking about is dead.

    Doc. In my opinion, you oughta perma-ban that racist piece of filth. No wonder he can’t come up with a single decent argument. His head is too full of Klansmen ideals and bile

  74. avatar
    The Magic M January 6, 2014 at 12:48 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Orly is now calling for her ghouls to investigate a plane crash completely unrelated to Fuddy’s

    I wonder why she didn’t jump on this one (it was even on the German news):

    http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktn/video/watch/2000073298/-18-killed-in-mombasa-road-accident

    It was right where birthers claim Obama was born, so why don’t they believe someone who witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya was murdered there? It would align nicely with the belief somebody’s “cleaning up loose ends” that has come up a lot in Birtherstan lately.

  75. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 6, 2014 at 1:03 pm #

    Give her time. No death is to tragic for Orly to try and exploit.

  76. avatar
    Arthur January 6, 2014 at 1:11 pm #

    The Magic M: It would align nicely with the belief somebody’s “cleaning up loose ends” that has come up a lot in Birtherstan lately.

    Speaking of “cleaning up loose ends”–do you remember the book/film “The Boys from Brazil” in which Josef Mengele attempts to clone a bunch of young Adolf Hitlers? Well, according Birther Report poster Kittycat77 (does she have 77 cats?) Obama may be one of Hitler’s sons:

    “The new article at WND about Corsi asking was Hitler really killed, well, makes one wonder if he’s BO’s papa. Imagine that if it was so. Now that would shake us up, plus people in the world, right?”

    Birthers–just when you though they had already jumped the shark, they eat it.

  77. avatar
    Crustacean January 6, 2014 at 1:18 pm #

    Arthur (quoting Kittycat77): Now that would shake us up, plus people in the world, right?”

    Finally, smoking-gun proof that birthers are not of this world…

  78. avatar
    Arthur January 6, 2014 at 2:21 pm #

    Crustacean: Finally, smoking-gun proof that birthers are not of this world…

    Good point!

  79. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 6, 2014 at 3:19 pm #

     
    Worst spam comment ever?

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  80. avatar
    The Magic M January 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Worst spam comment ever?

    Oh, I thought you were just quoting john again… ;)

  81. avatar
    JPotter January 6, 2014 at 3:47 pm #

    More echoes in the chamber: this just now bouncing around the Twitterverse:

    #FFRNN #WAKINGUP TO #TYRANNY #BREAKING TOP OFFICIAL IN #OBAMA BIRTH MYSTERY KILLED #BIRTHER http://t.co/gZNnlg73mK

    The link is to WND’s shamelesssly conspiracy-shilling 12/12/13 response to Loretta Fuddy’s death.

    In a stupendous achievement in the Way of the Poe, one of the last comments left on the article is:

    Interesting that the Obama’s are vacationing in Hawaii for Christmas…wonder When this was planned?

    Nuts. Ignorant Nuts. They taste so … empty!

  82. avatar
    Arthur January 6, 2014 at 3:59 pm #

    The Magic M: Oh, I thought you were just quoting john again…

    Or commenter “Furtive” at Birther Report:

    “The COUP D’ÉTAT IS MASSIVE BEYOND THE UGLY PUNIM OF BARI MALIK SHABAZZ, illegitimate son of Malcolm X & Jewish teen & domestic terrorist Joanne Newman , whose big brother, FRED, WAS A COMMUNIST:”

    Birthers typically make no more sense then the spam Dr. C. receives.

  83. avatar
    Crustacean January 6, 2014 at 4:56 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Worst spam comment ever?

    Not bad, Doc. But it would be tough to beat the spam Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter shared on her blog (and her reply):

    “from E. Cigaret Nikotin: I will right away clutch your rss as I can’t to find your e-mail subscription hyperlink or newsletter service. Do you’ve any? Please allow me realize so that I may subscribe. Thanks.”

    “Sorry, E.Cig, but I do not know you well enough to let you go around clutching my rss. Aren’t there any girls where you are from whose rss’s you could clutch???”

  84. avatar
    justlw January 6, 2014 at 5:12 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: research by Fogbow poster Fre … The real name is Harry Boymel, born in 1886

    Oh, that’s kinda cool … the Boymels came over on the same ship as one of my grandfathers (albeit on a different voyage).

    I’m hereby declaring this to be conclusive proof that Grandpa was In On It. Come and get me, birthers!

  85. avatar
    Arthur January 6, 2014 at 6:21 pm #

    When Linda Joy Adams and Geir Smith get together, the crazy reaches biblical proportions. Plus, you get to see Geir “the Reluctant Messenger of the Bible” on video:

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2014/01/obama-real-name-barry-hunter-video-pic-gallery-2472664.html

  86. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 6, 2014 at 7:08 pm #

    He got 10 emails from here? Is that all? I got 108 emails from her in 2013, and already 6 this year.

    Arthur: When Linda Joy Adams and Geir Smith get together, the crazy reaches biblical proportions. Plus, you get to see Geir “the Reluctant Messenger of the Bible” on video

  87. avatar
    Arthur January 6, 2014 at 7:38 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I got 108 emails from her in 2013, and already 6 this year.

    She’s the grift that keeps on grating.

  88. avatar
    Rickey January 6, 2014 at 10:57 pm #

    justlw: Oh, that’s kinda cool … the Boymels came over on the same ship as one of my grandfathers (albeit on a different voyage).

    I’m hereby declaring this to be conclusive proof that Grandpa was In On It.Come and get me, birthers!

    We have some clarification on Harry’s address, courtesy of some genealogy specialists at The Fogbow.

    Everyone has read the 1940 census as having Harry at 915 Daly Avenue in the Bronx, which is a non-existent address. However, if you look at the previous page in the census book, you’ll see that the enumerator was actually taking the information about Harry and his landlord’s family at 915 Elsmere Place, which is adjacent to Daly Avenue. It isn’t yet clear to me why the enumerator wrote “Daly Avenue” on the page which contains Harry’s name, but other records have been found which confirm that the landlord, Louis Julius, lived at 915 Elsmere Place.

  89. avatar
    The Magic M January 7, 2014 at 4:02 am #

    JPotter: In a stupendous achievement in the Way of the Poe, one of the last comments left on the article is:

    Interesting that the Obama’s are vacationing in Hawaii for Christmas…wonder When this was planned?

    All in 1961 of course. ;)

  90. avatar
    donna January 7, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

    Kreep’s stint in traffic court ends

    ‘Birther’ judge was sent there after prosecutor complaints

    Kreep will start a new assignment in Department 7 in the central courthouse, handling a full calendar of landlord-tenant disputes, according to a court spokeswoman. He’ll also handle some civil cases that relate to landlord tenant disputes as well as credit card debt cases.

    Since September, Kreep has been assigned to traffic court. He was sent there after prosecutors with the San Diego City Attorney’s Office complained about his decisions in some criminal cases, such as declining to order defendants to waive their constitutional rights to search without a warrant when prosecutors requested it.

    There were also complaints about his judicial demeanor. Some lawyers said he could be condescending and short-tempered from the bench.

    Being sent to traffic court was an unusual step, since those courts are usually staffed only by court commissioners, who are paid about 15 percent less than the $180,000 in salary a Superior Court judge earns. It was virtually unheard of to have a sitting Superior Court judge assigned to hear traffic infractions.

    Kreep is best known as a longtime conservative legal activist who was a prominent figure in the “birther” movement, which questioned President Barack Obama’s citizenship by challenging whether he was born in the U.S.

    http://m.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jan/06/birther-judge-gary-kreep-traffic-court-over/

  91. avatar
    gorefan January 7, 2014 at 11:34 pm #

    AnitaMaria posted a link to a new filing by Vogt.

    http://ia601003.us.archive.org/22/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.13-74137/gov.uscourts.ca9.13-74137.2.0.pdf

    Of course he screws it up.

    “There are several things that make this engine failure suspicious. The first that the catastrophic engine failure happened about 25 minutes into the flight not shortly after it took off.”

    The flight was only about a minute out before the engine failed.

    http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/GenPDF.aspx?id=WPR14FA068&rpt=p

  92. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 8, 2014 at 1:32 am #

    gorefan: Of course he screws it up.

    “There are several things that make this engine failure suspicious. The first that the catastrophic engine failure happened about 25 minutes into the flight not shortly after it took off.”

    The flight was only about a minute out before the engine failed.

    I’m at a loss to understand what the time to failure after takeoff has to do with anything but…..wait….it gets worse.

    In his letter to the court Vogt says “The large bang in the engine could have been from a small bomb used to disable the magnetos which would cause the plane to loose (cq!!) power immediately as it did.”

    As I recall magnetos are used in piston engines to provide electricity to a distributor which then fire pistons sequentially. It’s been a long time since the technology has been used in cars and I don’t know if its used in airplanes but given the reliability of modern electrical systems I doubt it.

    But…..no matter. Even if they are still used on aircraft piston engines that means nothing in this accident because the Cessna that crashed was equipped with a turboprop engine.

    No pistons. No spark plugs. No sale, Mr. Vogt.

  93. avatar
    Thinker January 8, 2014 at 2:25 am #

    So Vogt’s bomb scenario isn’t even possible and he got the time the plane was in the air wrong? What a moron.

  94. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 8, 2014 at 2:57 am #

    Thinker:
    So Vogt’s bomb scenario isn’t even possible and he got the time the plane was in the air wrong? What a moron.

    There could, of course, have been a bomb or bombs but the NTSB would figure that out pretty quickly…..unless they’re in on it or….or…..or there could have been a tube of time release Super Glue left in the engine and when it squirted the engine seized. Or…..or……oh….the nurse tells me it’s time to go to sleep.

  95. avatar
    RanTalbott January 8, 2014 at 3:06 am #

    CarlOrcas: I’m at a loss to understand what the time to failure after takeoff has to do with anything

    The biggest strain on the engine(s) comes while getting the plane off the ground and up to cruising altitude. If there’s a weak mechanical component (corroded bolt, aging piston rod, etc), that’s where it’s most likely to fail. The timing of the failure isn’t probative, per se, because there are causes that are more likely to manifest later (e.g., an oil leak). It just gives you a rough indication of what the probabilities of the possible causes are.

    Vogt is just using standard birther (non-)thinking: if it’s not impossible that something malevolent happened, and it relates to Obama in any way, it must be true that a Dirty Deed Was Done Dirt Cheap™

  96. avatar
    roadburner January 8, 2014 at 4:12 am #

    CarlOrcas: I’m at a loss to understand what the time to failure after takeoff has to do with anything but…..wait….it gets worse.In his letter to the court Vogt says “The large bang in the engine could have been from a small bomb used to disable the magnetos which would cause the plane to loose (cq!!) power immediately as it did.”As I recall magnetos are used in piston engines to provide electricity to a distributor which then fire pistons sequentially. It’s been a long time since the technology has been used in cars and I don’t know if its used in airplanes but given the reliability of modern electrical systems I doubt it.But…..no matter. Even if they are still used on aircraft piston engines that means nothing in this accident because the Cessna that crashed was equipped with a turboprop engine. No pistons. No spark plugs. No sale, Mr. Vogt.

    magnetos are still used in piston engined aircraft, normally 2 per engine

    a normal part of the pre-flight checks is to set the engine revs to a set rate with both mags working then shut one down and check the rev drop is not below a certain limit (varies as to the engine used), the both on, next cut the othermag and repeat the check. it shows if both are working ok.

    having 2 mags is a `belt and braces kind of thing. they are both used in normal flight, but if one fails there is still one operative albeit giving the engine reduced power.

    gas turbines have an ignitor system in the combustion chamber, but never having flown any of them, im not sure if it works of a dual circuit as well but probably does given that a failure in flight can be embarrasing to say the least.

    reliable as aero engines are, they do fail – its a mechanical device built from a collection of components and there is yet to be one built that is 100% reliable

  97. avatar
    roadburner January 8, 2014 at 8:03 am #

    oh! im back in moderation at BR!

    none of my latest posts have been getting through.

    funny, but they obviously dont see the irony of censoring someone with the login name of `e.p.lovejoy

    :D

  98. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm #

    roadburner: reliable as aero engines are, they do fail – its a mechanical device built from a collection of components and there is yet to be one built that is 100% reliable

    Of course!! Do you have any idea what he is trying to get at with the interval between takeoff and failure?

  99. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 8, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    True story. A fellow who used to work for a manufacturer of Jet engines told me of their ISO 9000 program to achieve repeatable manufacturing processes for their engines. Well, one of the engine blades separated from the turbine and blasted it’s way through the engine causing a catastrophic failure. So they analyzed their process to find out what went wrong. Nothing was wrong. It turned out that after so many hours of use, all of the engines flew apart the same way.

    roadburner: reliable as aero engines are, they do fail – its a mechanical device built from a collection of components and there is yet to be one built that is 100% reliable

  100. avatar
    Daniel January 8, 2014 at 4:42 pm #

    Aircraft industry frequently sacrifices innovation for reliability. Most of the engines in small planes were designed in the 1950s, and haven’t changed since. They work.

  101. avatar
    gorefan January 8, 2014 at 5:35 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Do you have any idea what he is trying to get at with the interval between takeoff and failure?

    He thinks that a 25 minute flight would have taken them out over open, deep water where there would be no survivors and no chance of recovering the plane.

  102. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 8, 2014 at 8:18 pm #

    gorefan: He thinks that a 25 minute flight would have taken them out over open, deep water where there would be no survivors and no chance of recovering the plane.

    I got that much but I thought he was trying to read more into it vis a vis the time frame.