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Fuddy death ruled accidental

The Maui police released the cause of death for Hawaii Department of Health director Loretta Fuddy. She died due to cardiac arrhythmia as a result of stress following a plane crash, so reports station KITV.

This will of course not mean anything to the birthers, even though sudden cardiac death is the most frequent natural cause of death in the US.

It would be interesting to me to see how they specified the underlying and immediate causes of death. “Cardiac arrest” is the typical uninformative cause of death—everybody’s heart stops when they die. At least we didn’t get that. There is computer software to automate classification of underlying causes of death (MICAR2000, ACME and TRANSAX) and my former company’s software interfaced with those systems. The study of the classification of cause of death is called Nosology. Funny the things you pick up when you work with Vital Statistics.

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58 Responses to Fuddy death ruled accidental

  1. avatar
    Rickey January 14, 2014 at 12:41 pm #

    it won’t penetrate the minds of birthers, but it is entirely plausible and consistent with what we know happened. After they got her into a life jacked and she was in the water, she obviously was highly stressed and agitated because Keith Yamamoto said that he was trying to get her to calm down. It is called Sudden Cardiac Death, and according to WebMD it is both sudden and unexpected:

    Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is a sudden, unexpected death caused by loss of heart function (sudden cardiac arrest). It is the largest cause of natural death in the U.S., causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the U.S. each year. SCD is responsible for half of all heart disease deaths.

    Sudden cardiac arrest is not a heart attack (myocardial infarction) but can occur during a heart attack. Heart attacks occur when there is a blockage in one or more of the arteries to the heart, preventing the heart from receiving enough oxygen-rich blood. If the oxygen in the blood cannot reach the heart muscle, the heart becomes damaged.

    In contrast, sudden cardiac arrest occurs when the electrical system to the heart malfunctions and suddenly becomes very irregular. The heart beats dangerously fast. The ventricles may flutter or quiver (ventricular fibrillation), and blood is not delivered to the body. In the first few minutes, the greatest concern is that blood flow to the brain will be reduced so drastically that a person will lose consciousness. Death follows unless emergency treatment is begun immediately.

    http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/sudden-cardiac-death

  2. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 14, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

    Of course birthers are rejecting reality, claiming that one can’t suddenly develop heart problems.

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    Pastor Charmley January 14, 2014 at 1:42 pm #

    As the birthers are generally unwilling to make specific accusations for fear of being sued for libel, I doubt any will be willing to say that one of the other people on the aircraft was an assassin who administered a fatal poison. Though I would not put it past some.

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    Rickey January 14, 2014 at 1:58 pm #

    Fuddy’s brother says that she had no history of heart problems, but in this context that doesn’t mean anything. Many people who die of cardiac events have no prior symptoms. 35 years ago an apparently healthy 35-year-old man who played on a softball team with me suddenly dropped dead while pumping gas into his car. It happens.

    And of course Fuddy may have had underlying, symptom-free conditions – high cholesterol or coronary heart disease, for example – which she did not know about. We will know better about that when and if the full autopsy report is released.

  5. avatar
    nbc January 14, 2014 at 2:02 pm #

    Orly has gone fully into manic mode, even contacting Pratt and Whitney, the manufacturer of the engine.

    Fascinating…

  6. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 14, 2014 at 2:08 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Of course birthers are rejecting reality, claiming that one can’t suddenly develop heart problems.

    Yes, it’s Crazy Time (TM) in Birtherstan……again.

    One of the more interesting developments is Orly Taitz’s obsession with Pratt & Whitney. She is calling on her “supporters” to help her inform the company about all the questions she has that support her conclusion: “There is high probability that this water landing was arranged, not an accident and not due to fault of the engine manufactured by your company.”

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=445221

  7. avatar
    Bob January 14, 2014 at 2:51 pm #

    Alternate headline:

    Birthers get a new chew toy

  8. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 14, 2014 at 3:05 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Yes, it’s Crazy Time (TM) in Birtherstan……again.

    One of the more interesting developments is Orly Taitz’s obsession with Pratt & Whitney. She is calling on her “supporters” to help her inform the company about all the questions she has that support her conclusion: “There is high probability that this water landing was arranged, not an accident and not due to fault of the engine manufactured by your company.”

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=445221

    Their reply should be “Go $#@! yourself. Enclosed: 1 picture of a middle finger.”.

  9. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 14, 2014 at 3:47 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Their reply should be “Go $#@! yourself. Enclosed: 1 picture of a middle finger.”.

    That works for me.

    But imagine being the P&W legal and public relations people when they first see this stuff from her!!

  10. avatar
    James M January 14, 2014 at 5:22 pm #

    Military men intruding on the private lives of citizens is a Third Amendment thing, isn’t it?

  11. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 14, 2014 at 5:43 pm #

    James M:
    Military men intruding on the private lives of citizens is a Third Amendment thing, isn’t it?

    Is he the guy who showed up in our spare bedroom last night?

  12. avatar
    john January 14, 2014 at 10:18 pm #

    While I believe its possible Fuddy had cardiac arrhythmia, I find is rather hard to believe given the facts of the case. One has to answer the following questions.

    What caused Fuddy’s cardiac arrhythmia? They say it was likely due to stress but they don’t know for certain.

    Fuddy didn’t have a history of heart trouble.

    Fuddy wasn’t a 100 years old.

    Fuddy was apparently calm by different accounts.

  13. avatar
    john January 14, 2014 at 10:20 pm #

    I encourage the family to contact Orly Taitz and together conduct their own investigation.

  14. avatar
    Paul January 14, 2014 at 10:24 pm #

    Pastor Charmley:
    As the birthers are generally unwilling to make specific accusations for fear of being sued for libel…

    Oh you must not know Orly very well!

  15. avatar
    john January 14, 2014 at 10:29 pm #

    If they are saying the cause of death was cardiac arrhymmthia, what was the manner of death? They are basically saying Fuddy just up end and died. If Fuddy was scared to death, how come nobody else was scared to death and why doesn’t this thing happen all the time. People suddenly die from stress. Of course, you got factor in risk factors, smoking, family history, heart condition, etc.

  16. avatar
    JPotter January 14, 2014 at 11:01 pm #

    Where are the comments from nutters about heart attack guns? Has Doc been deleting those? Or are my nuts letting me down for once?

    CarlOrcas: “There is high probability that this water landing was arranged, not an accident and not due to fault of the engine manufactured by your company.”

    Has there already been a finding re: cause of the crash, or is Taitz just on a wild hare tear again?

  17. avatar
    RanTalbott January 15, 2014 at 1:07 am #

    JPotter: Has there already been a finding re: cause of the crash

    There was a preliminary report a week or so ago, but you know the NTSB: if Zawahiri broadcast live video of him blowing himself up in business class, the NTSB would spend 6 months verifying that there were no leaky fuel tanks or loose connectors on the autopilot panel before officially declaring it a “terrorist attack”.

    Not that I consider that a bad thing, per se: no doubt many of us owe our lives to their spotting hidden design flaws and bad practices before they had a chance to kill us. But it can be exasperating to listen to the yammering of the conspiracy loons while they’re being thorough. It’d be nice to be able to immediately beat the nutbars about the head and shoulders with a report and say “Here. Read. Bad crank bearing. Now STFU”.

  18. avatar
    Kris January 15, 2014 at 2:20 am #

    nbc:
    Orly has gone fully into manic mode, even contacting Pratt and Whitney, the manufacturer of the engine.

    Fascinating…

    —————————————————————————————

    Or as Orly refers to them in a press release, Whitney Pratt.

    As usual, she can’t get ANYTHING right.

  19. avatar
    The Magic M January 15, 2014 at 4:18 am #

    Pastor Charmley: I doubt any will be willing to say that one of the other people on the aircraft was an assassin who administered a fatal poison.

    They already did. Some claim there was an additional “mystery” passenger who was the assassin. That way they can have the cake and eat it – claim somebody on the plane killed Fuddy but specifically exempt all of the known passengers.

    Seriously, if I had to make up a conspiracy theory about the incident, I would claim somebody injected her with a substance causing heart failure before the plane even started, and then used the (fake) crash to create a plausible explanation (I bet there are substances that will drastically increase the likelihood of heart failure under conditions of stress). Nobody would be so stupid as to try and assassinate someone with so many witnesses present. Too many potential points of failure.

    Also, if “they” wanted to “silence” Fuddy, wouldn’t it have been more plausible (and simple) to manufacture a crash where *everyone* died?

    Or more simple to have a woman aged 70+ simply “die in her sleep”?

    Again conspiracy nuts would have us believe the Almighty Konspiracee is totally incompetent. Or that “they” wanted to “rub it in our faces”. Or “send a warning message”. Or whatever suits them…

  20. avatar
    bushpilot January 15, 2014 at 5:42 am #

    Owner of the plane that the pilot glided down to the sea received over 2 million dollars from the obama administration.

  21. avatar
    Curious George January 15, 2014 at 8:15 am #

    John,
    You are an idiot.

  22. avatar
    Sam the Centipede January 15, 2014 at 8:20 am #

    john:
    If they are saying the cause of death was cardiac arrhymmthia, what was the manner of death?They are basically saying Fuddy just up end and died.If Fuddy was scared to death, how come nobody else was scared to death and why doesn’t this thing happen all the time.People suddenly die from stress.Of course, you got factor in risk factors, smoking, family history, heart condition, etc.

    Gosh John, if you had two more brain cells, you would be a slime mold.

    The cause of death was a plane crash, and being immersed in water for some time. It’s stressful. It can kill younger, fitter people, it can certainly kill people in late middle age. Ms. Fuddy was unlucky that day.

    Nobody said Ms. Fuddy was scared to death, you pulled that out of the same dark, crap-filled place that you pull all of your nonsense.

    Why do you think the Fuddy family should contact Orly Taitz as you suggest in another of your fatuous drivelling posts? Taitz, like you, is a racist, hate-filled, idiotic moron. By all accounts Ms. Fuddy was not racist, not hate-filled, not idiotic, and not moronic, and there is no reason to suspect that her family is any of these. They are decent people. They certainly will not want to associate with scum like you and Taitz.

    The world was a poorer place for Ms. Fuddy’s passing. The same will no be said for when you and your fellow birthers, especially Taitz, depart.

  23. avatar
    alg January 15, 2014 at 8:38 am #

    I have it on good authority that Flipper delivered the fatal injection from below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEOeTX1LqM

  24. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 15, 2014 at 8:47 am #

    bushpilot:
    Owner of the plane that the pilot glided down to the seareceived over 2 million dollars from the obama administration.

    Of course! You didn’t expect him to do it for free, did you?

    (For the rational among us the program provides funding for service to under served airports. It provides subsidies to carriers serving about 150 airports, as I recall.)

  25. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 15, 2014 at 8:49 am #

    Curious George:
    John,
    You are an idiot.

    Short and sweet. There really isn’t anything else to say.

  26. avatar
    Curious George January 15, 2014 at 8:53 am #

    john:
    “If they are saying the cause of death was cardiac arrhymmthia, what was the manner of death?They are basically saying Fuddy just up end and died.If Fuddy was scared to death, how come nobody else was scared to death and why doesn’t this thing happen all the time.People suddenly die from stress.Of course, you got factor in risk factors, smoking, family history, heart condition, etc.”

    You really are an idiot. Did Zullo give you these talking points?

  27. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 15, 2014 at 9:13 am #

    JPotter: Has there already been a finding re: cause of the crash, or is Taitz just on a wild hare tear again?

    Would it make a difference for her?

    To answer your question directly: No, I don’t believe anything has been released yet on what caused the engine to fail.

  28. avatar
    JPotter January 15, 2014 at 9:16 am #

    john: up end and died

    Hmm, that’s a new one. Methinks these repeated, small mental misfires betray a greater defect.

    More observation required to reach more definitive diagnosis?

    Nah. Nobody cares. But leave it on anyway, gives the kids something to laugh at. ;)

  29. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 15, 2014 at 9:21 am #

    alg:
    I have it on good authority that Flipper delivered the fatal injection from below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEOeTX1LqM

    Don’t laugh. As I recall that possibility was mentioned several times on Birther Report.

  30. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 15, 2014 at 9:25 am #

    Curious George: You really are an idiot. Did Zullo give you these talking points?

    Anyone want to start a pool on when Taitz/Zullo, et al will start making noises about having Fuddy’s body exhumed and examined by someone of their choosing?

  31. avatar
    The Magic M January 15, 2014 at 9:39 am #

    CarlOrcas: As I recall that possibility was mentioned several times on Birther Report.

    The main alternative theory in birtherstan however is that Fuddy is still alive and that her death was faked to allow her to live on without being called to testify about the “1000% forgifications”.
    Luckily Orly’s flying monkeys can’t be bothered to even leave the house so we won’t see any “man arrested for digging up Hawaiian grave” stories about birthers trying to check if there’s really a body in the casket.

  32. avatar
    Rickey January 15, 2014 at 11:32 am #

    john:
    If they are saying the cause of death was cardiac arrhymmthia, what was the manner of death?They are basically saying Fuddy just up end and died.If Fuddy was scared to death, how come nobody else was scared to death and why doesn’t this thing happen all the time.People suddenly die from stress.Of course, you got factor in risk factors, smoking, family history, heart condition, etc.

    You are indeed an idiot, but I will try to explain.

    When the plane’s engine blew and it lost power, the heart rates of everyone on board rose because they were frightened. This is an entirely normal reaction. Fuddy’s heart rate likely increased from 60-80 beats per minute to 200 beats per minute. The plane then crash-landed in the ocean and everyone donned their life jackets and got into the water, where they began bobbing up and down, fully clothed, in 6-foot swells. We know that Fuddy was extremely anxious while in the water because Keith Yamamoto said that he was trying to calm her down. Maybe she was a poor swimmer and was afraid of being in the water. Maybe she was distressed over having her personal possessions (such as her laptop computer?) sink with the plane. Maybe she was just so traumatized by the shock that she couldn’t get her heartbeat to slow down. Then she suddenly died, which is why they call it “Sudden Cardiac Death.”

    This “thing,” as you put it, does in fact happen “all the time.” Each year 325,000 people in the United States die of Sudden Cardiac Death. That’s 890 people every day of the year.

  33. avatar
    JPotter January 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Would it make a difference for her?

    I was asking to determine her level of crazy on this particular point, that is, I was asking for my information.

    Of course nothing matters to that nutbag!

  34. avatar
    gorefan January 15, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

    john:
    why doesn’t this thing happen all the time.People suddenly die from stress.

    .
    Actually, it does happen all the time. And especially during times of stress. A study done after the 1994 Northridge Earthquake showed the Sudden Cardiac Death (SCD) increased significantly because of the quake.

    https://circ.ahajournals.org/content/102/13/e98.full

    “They found that on the day of the earthquake there was a sharp increase in the number of SCDs, from a daily average of 4.62.1 in the preceding week to 24 on the day of the earthquake. They further noted that during the 6 days after the earthquake, the number of SCDs declined to below the baseline value, to an average of 2.71.2 per day. “

  35. avatar
    RanTalbott January 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

    CarlOrcas: No, I don’t believe anything has been released yet on what caused the engine to fail.

    They sent the engine to “Whitney Pratt” for a plane-opsy. In the past, it usually took a few weeks to a few months for results from that kind of forensic testing to show up in news reports. So we’ll be listening to rank (as in “smells awful”) speculation for a while.

  36. avatar
    roadburner January 15, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

    john:
    I encourage the family to contact Orly Taitz and together conduct their own investigation.

    i encourage you to seek psychiatric help – urgently!

  37. avatar
    CarlOrcas January 15, 2014 at 5:03 pm #

    RanTalbott: They sent the engine to “Whitney Pratt” for a plane-opsy. In the past, it usually took a few weeks to a few months for results from that kind of forensic testing to show up in news reports. So we’ll be listening to rank (as in “smells awful”) speculation for a while.

    Even when it’s over it won’t be because both of them – Whitney and Pratt – are in on the deal.

    The real question, at this point, is who isn’t part of the conspiracy?

  38. avatar
    nbc January 15, 2014 at 5:24 pm #

    john: how come nobody else was scared to death and why doesn’t this thing happen all the time. People suddenly die from stress.

    Hilarious. Have you even looked at the data? Fool… Too lazy or incompetent? Or just not interested…

  39. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 15, 2014 at 6:22 pm #

    john:
    If they are saying the cause of death was cardiac arrhymmthia, what was the manner of death?They are basically saying Fuddy just up end and died.If Fuddy was scared to death, how come nobody else was scared to death and why doesn’t this thing happen all the time.People suddenly die from stress.Of course, you got factor in risk factors, smoking, family history, heart condition, etc.

    Why hasn’t it happened to you yet?

  40. avatar
    bushpilot January 16, 2014 at 12:09 am #

    “Babies were taken from their mothers right after birth” Lost Children of Kalaupapa.
    http://t.co/EhDDn3aUKI

  41. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett January 16, 2014 at 12:34 am #

    Ah, I come back after a year and I see the doofus brigade is still stumbling around, looking for credibility.

    Don’t you have anything better to do than try and make hay out of the death of that poor woman? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    BTW: it wasn’t Flipper that killed her. He’s been dead for years. It was actually Aquaman’s old friend, Topo.

  42. avatar
    The Magic M January 16, 2014 at 4:41 am #

    Rickey: That’s 890 people every day of the year.

    Oh boy that conspiracy is busy, must be working overtime. ;)

    Rickey: Each year 325,000 people in the United States die of Sudden Cardiac Death.

    So that covered everyone who knew the Moon landing was a hoax within one or two years. These conspirators are clever fellas. Don’t tell birthers, they will believe Americans will be extinct in 1,000 years at that rate…

  43. avatar
    The Magic M January 16, 2014 at 8:10 am #

    Missed that because I don’t visit Orly’s site much anymore:

    A concerned citizen called Lewis Fuddy, brother of Loretta Fuddy, and asked whether Loretta knew how to swim. He stated that she knew how to swim, she was an average swimmer ad was comfortable in the water.” (http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=445331)

    So now birthers are harrassing Loretta Fuddy’s family. No surprise, though. Probably this will intensify as birthers will likely believe “only her family can get to the bottom of this because they have standing”.

  44. avatar
    jd reed January 16, 2014 at 11:31 am #

    A renaissance man or women is one whose intellect and unquenchable intellectual curiosity results in an individual’s becoming informed over a wide range of topics. John might be considered an anti-renaissance man because he is ever finding new fields that he knows little about to pontificate about. In these past history, government and law. And now, medicine.

  45. avatar
    OllieOxenFree January 16, 2014 at 11:50 am #

    The Magic M:

    So now birthers are harrassing Loretta Fuddy’s family. No surprise, though. Probably this will intensify as birthers will likely believe “only her family can get to the bottom of this because they have standing”.

    It won’t be long before one of them asks a family member, “do you believe that Fuddy would have been involved in the cover-up of Obama’s birth certificate?” Any answer short of, “yes,” would never be accepted and the whole family will be accused of being bought off or threatened.

  46. avatar
    Rickey January 16, 2014 at 12:21 pm #

    The Magic M:
    Missed that because I don’t visit Orly’s site much anymore:

    A concerned citizen called Lewis Fuddy, brother of Loretta Fuddy, and asked whether Loretta knew how to swim. He stated that she knew how to swim, she was an average swimmer ad was comfortable in the water.” (http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=445331)

    So now birthers are harrassing Loretta Fuddy’s family. No surprise, though. Probably this will intensify as birthers will likely believe “only her family can get to the bottom of this because they have standing”.

    I’m surprised that the “concerned citizen” didn’t ask him if she had ever been in a plane crash before.

    Of course, there is a difference between swimming at the beach on in a pool while wearing a bathing suit and bobbing around in the open sea while fully dressed and wearing a life jacket.

  47. avatar
    James M.D. P.h.D. January 16, 2014 at 7:34 pm #

    A Fatal Cardiac Arrhythmia is an almost impossible diagnosis post mortem. There is little to no tissue death in the heart to indicate this cause. Ultimately this cause of death is usually only determined when the patient is admitted before time of death and EKG results can verify a fatal arrhythmia, or symptoms can.

    I’m not a lunatic Birther, and I don’t think she was murdered. But this Coroner is making something up, because he can’t figure out the actual CoD.

    If you want to verify that I am telling you truth, contact you local Medical Examiner’s office and they will confirm this.

    In such a high-profile death, this unacceptable. You are just feeding the conspiracy theorists with this sloppy work. If you are to embarrassed to admit you need additional assistance determining the CoD, you should not be a medical examiner.

  48. avatar
    James M.D. P.h.D. January 16, 2014 at 7:41 pm #

    Additional information on the absurdity of the Medical Examiners claims, especially in lack of atherosclerosis in a healthy heart, can be found in this well written study published in the Institute of Forensic Medicine:

    Diagnostic value of post-mortem examination of the cardiac conduction system

    Institute of Forensic Medicine, Medical Faculty, University of Ljubljana, Korytkova 2, SI-1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia

    Received 21 July 2009; accepted 2 August 2009.

  49. avatar
    Fred Flintstone January 17, 2014 at 12:13 am #

    Unfortunately, Orly and her minions are pushing some contrived notion that Ms. Fuddy was murdered by “the regime.” They have harassed her office workers, her family members, the funeral home, the manufacturer of the plane – as if Orly’s “law license” makes her some kind of prosecuting attorney. They fabricate angles as this goes by and I look for her to . . . oh I’m sorry, she’s already suggested that the FLOTUS stayed behind to clean up the mess.

    Orly is going to be sanctioned at some point for encouraging people to call the court and get her frivolous lawsuits placed on the dockets. I’ll be that she plans to file a class action lawsuit against the state for letting Ms. Fuddy die of natural causes.

    She’s in Russia right now – I hope they decide to keep her. She’d make a great member of Pussy Riot – her screech would be priceless on their underground albums.

  50. avatar
    Arthur January 17, 2014 at 12:58 am #

    Fred Flintstone: She’d make a great member of Pussy Riot – her screech would be priceless on their underground albums.

    If Orly joined the band, I’m sure that she would turn them into one real sour pussy.

  51. avatar
    The Magic M January 17, 2014 at 5:34 am #

    Fred Flintstone: oh I’m sorry, she’s already suggested that the FLOTUS stayed behind to clean up the mess

    … whereas the other group of loons, over at Birther Report, is celebrating various pipe dreams related to Michelle Obama’s overstay, from “they’re gonna have a divorce” to “they’re preparing for his resignation”. Yes, any day now…

  52. avatar
    Roadscholar January 17, 2014 at 9:37 am #

    James M.D. P.h.D.:
    Additional information on the absurdity of the Medical Examiners claims, especially in lack of atherosclerosis in a healthy heart, can be found in this well written study published in the Institute of Forensic Medicine:

    Diagnostic value of post-mortem examination of the cardiac conduction system

    Institute of Forensic Medicine, Medical Faculty, University of Ljubljana, Korytkova 2, SI-1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia

    Received 21 July 2009; accepted 2 August 2009.

    Yes, you are. A dishonest Birther, that is. And I doubt you are an MD.

    I read the abstract. They conclude: “This leads us to the conclusion that post-mortem examination of the CCS is of diagnostic value.”

    How do you know Fuddy’s CCS wasn’t examined? Oh, that’s right: you don’t, and you don’t care. Yes, fatal arrythmia is listed in this study as a low-percentage finding when there is no cardiac pathology in play, but it plainly finds that it DOES HAPPEN.

    How do I know you are a bad-faith, concern-troll idiot Birther? Because you try to pull a fast one, citing an obscure study you think nobody will check, and claim it says what it doesn’t say. In no way could even this one paper be construed as showing that the forensic examiner’s COD is “absurd.” None. Typical wingnut horse guano.

    We see that all the time. You ain’t the first Birther to try that play.

  53. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 17, 2014 at 10:25 am #

    Is your PhD in Google studies?

    James M.D. P.h.D.: Institute of Forensic Medicine, Medical Faculty, University of Ljubljana, Korytkova 2, SI-1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia

  54. avatar
    sfjeff January 17, 2014 at 11:13 am #

    James M.D. P.h.D.: A Fatal Cardiac Arrhythmia is an almost impossible diagnosis post mortem. There is little to no tissue death in the heart to indicate this cause. Ultimately this cause of death is usually only determined when the patient is admitted before time of death and EKG results can verify a fatal arrhythmia, or symptoms can.

    James,

    First of all Dr. Conspiracy is not a medical doctor nor is he the one who made the claim- he is reporting what the coroner said. So taking him to task for not questioning what the coroner claimed doesn’t make much sense.

    Secondly- a quick google search finds other cases where coroners have made the same diagnosis.

    HARTSVILLE, S.C. – Hartsville Red Foxes senior lineman Ronald Rouse, 18, was pronounced dead on Friday after collapsing twice during Friday’s game against Crestwood. The Darlington County Coroner’s report says that Rouse “died of a fatal sudden cardiac arrhythmia brought upon by a congenital enlarged heart.” Coroner J. Tom Hardee will rule the manner of death as natural.

    This link
    http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/feb/11/death-records/?print=1

    lists no less than 3 persons who the coroner ruled that that they had fatal cardiac arrythmia.

    You may be correct- perhaps it is hard to diagnose properly. But your argument is with the coroner in Hawaii not here.

  55. avatar
    Thinker January 17, 2014 at 4:04 pm #

    I can assure you that conspiracy theorists don’t care at all what the medical examiner concludes about Ms. Fuddy’s cause of death. If they based their beliefs on a reasonable assessment of things in the reality-based world, they would have given up birtherism 5 years ago. After Andrew Breitbart died, most birthers drew the immediate conclusion that he was murdered because he was planning on going full birther. They quickly cooked up the scenario that Breitbart died from being injected with potassium chloride by a projectile that dissolved immediately after delivering the fatal dose. When the coroner concluded that Breitbart died from pre-existing heart disease, they said it was bullshit. In fact, a few of them even said that the autopsy report confirmed their heart attack dart scenario by not specifically examining it and ruling it out.

    Birthers now take it as a given that Barack Obama had Andrew Breitbart murdered so that he wouldn’t spill the birther beans. They say he was “breitbarted.”

    This is a separate issue from the legitimate question of the competence of the medical examiner and whether her conclusion on cause of death can be supported by an objective analysis of her findings. I don’t have an opinion on that, but with respect to feeding conspiracy theorist, it doesn’t matter one bit.

    James M.D. P.h.D.: In such a high-profile death, this unacceptable. You are just feeding the conspiracy theorists with this sloppy work.

  56. avatar
    JPotter January 17, 2014 at 6:41 pm #

    Awwww, c’mon now, fellas, he’s got the Double-Dog Assertion of Expertise right there in his handle! It’s a brazen dabbling in the doubly dubious!

    How can you possibly not take his post at face value? ;)

  57. avatar
    James M January 17, 2014 at 7:21 pm #

    I’ve met a lot of MD/PhD’s. I’ve never met one who has the kind of free time you need to engage in this kind of folly.

  58. avatar
    Rickey January 17, 2014 at 11:14 pm #

    James M.D. P.h.D.:
    Additional information on the absurdity of the Medical Examiners claims, especially in lack of atherosclerosis in a healthy heart, can be found in this well written study published in the Institute of Forensic Medicine:

    Diagnostic value of post-mortem examination of the cardiac conduction system

    Institute of Forensic Medicine, Medical Faculty, University of Ljubljana, Korytkova 2, SI-1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia

    Received 21 July 2009; accepted 2 August 2009.

    Have you read the full autopsy report? I’m pretty sure that you haven’t, since it hasn’t been released to the public. So you don’t know whether Ms. Fuddy had a healthy heart. You don’t know if she had atherosclerosis. And since you don’t know these things, you are blowing smoke out of your posterior.

    If you really are a medical doctor – which I doubt – you should be willing to present your credentials so we can evaluate your expertise. But I don’t expect you to do that.