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Birther Report allows advocacy of violence

Here’s a comment from Falcon over at Birther Report yesterday:

In my opinion Obama is done. And so are his sycophants who ran over America and her citizens for the last five years. Obama is no Lazarus and will not recover from the public beating he’s about to take. This will also take down all who refused to even consider Obama was a fraud when it was staring them dead in the face.

I hope this all leads to an Uncivil War and the communists are imprisoned in their beloved FEMA Camps. I also hope the rail cars with guillotines are used. It’s a shame to let all that looted DHS money go to waste.

An even worse call to criminal action comes from commenter Chris Farrell, perhaps incited by Falcon:

Any who facilitate the ongoing usurpation of the office of the presidency by a criminal who fraudulently represented himself as eligible to be president while knowingly not so are actively engaging in a conspiracy to contravene the Constitution of the United States of America and do by their actions define themselves as legitimate targets of opportunity for American patriots to engage at will. The words ‘Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes’ come to mind as most apropos to the present situation.

Falcon continues:

There’s no love for Obama and most have had a first hand look at his totalitarian society and want no parts of it. Lastly, Congress will be forced to act or they will find themselves on the receiving end of a blood-bath of epic proportions. America wants this to end and quickly – everyone knows what’s going on here and can barely contain their contempt for another second of it. It’s going to come to an end one way or the other.

I would consider that a threat against the President and certainly a violation of Blogger’s Content Policy on the advocacy of violence.

The triggering event, Obama’s “public beating” at the hand of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, would seem a highly improbable thing. Obama has been quite effective in weathering guilt by association attacks, and pure nonsense hasn’t gotten his opponents anywhere.

All of this stems from a BR article highlighting a new Mike Volin video compendium of old stuff presented as a stand-in for the so-far absent real stuff from Sheriff Arpaio, referring to the “Sheriff’s Kit 2” coming any day now to a website near you.

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Let’s all take a deep breath and step back for a moment. Birtherism is a war of words on the Internet. It is not a real conflict. Obama is president, and will eave office in 2017 and the country will muddle on as it always has. Nobody is threatening the birthers, and they have no cause to advocate violence in return. They lost at the polls—get over it already.

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104 Responses to Chop chop

  1. avatar
    Curious George March 27, 2014 at 11:29 pm #

    Really shocking, but to be expected from these dingbats.

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    JPotter March 27, 2014 at 11:57 pm #

    The rail cars with guillotines?

    That one was new to me, so I googled it … and …. G-zuhss.

    The game of verbal one-upsmanship wingnuts play sure does take them to some bizarre places.

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    Benji Franklin March 28, 2014 at 12:07 am #

    Falcon’s tone is getting edgier as he realizes more and more completely that there is no Universe-shattering press conference coming from Clown Zoo Low and/or Shereef Our Pie Hole.

    He’s under intense pressure therefore, to outrageously PREDICT the success that the Birthers have never had a chance to achieve because there has been no crime committed by Obama and he’s been officially declared in compliance with the Article 2 requirement by more than one court, and the information on his BC has been verified more than once officially.

    Falcon likes to make statements that pretend he can demand a different standard of proof than is officially required, and can substitute his analysis of every aspect of the case for the key official judgments that contradict him. He’s wrong of course, and now that he advocates violence for everyone HE deems guilty of something, he’s not a patriot defending the Constitution; he’s a crybaby pretending to be an anarchist with a big stick.

    Falcon represents a 14 year old mind lashing out with threats against people who were right all along about how every case would turn out – against the silly Birthers. He doesn’t have the maturity to admit his errors.

    Mature, intelligent adults admit their errors because they have a vested interest in maintaining intellectual integrity with their opponents for the disputes and debates of the future. Falcon knows he can’t win an honest debate, so he has no incentive to maintain civility or intellectual integrity. He needs to destroy the people with whom he disagrees.

    Where are you going to put all those traitors heads after you cut them off, Falcon? All the government officials and EVERYBODY WHO LET OBAMA remain President after, in your judgment, THEY KNEW he was not eligible? Paper or plastic?

    Are you an adult, Falcon? We can’t tell.

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    Arthur March 28, 2014 at 12:24 am #

    Benji Franklin: Falcon’s tone is getting edgier as he realizes more and more completely that there is no Universe-shattering press conference coming from Clown Zoo Low and/or Shereef Our Pie Hole.

    I live close to by a rural area that is home to a number of coyotes. When a police siren goes off, the coyotes begin to vocalize. More and more, their frantic yapping reminds me of the comments at B.R.: they make no sense, but they are definitely shouting about something.

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    CarlOrcas March 28, 2014 at 1:16 am #

    JPotter: The rail cars with guillotines?

    That one was new to me, so I googled it … and …. G-zuhss.

    Crazy, isn’t it? What I love are all the people who claim they’ve seen them or been told about them but not one picture or identifiable human being we can talk to.

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    Benji Franklin March 28, 2014 at 1:16 am #

    Arthur: I live close to by a rural area that is home to a number of coyotes. When a police siren goes off, the coyotes begin to vocalize.

    I know what you mean. We have coyotes close by also.
    The satisfying part of this awareness we have of the Birther non-starter arguments, is knowing how they must feel, knowing every charge they make is false and will go nowhere. Most Birther followers have had enough years now since the first election to grow up, and lose interest in being blow-hards.

    The Birther leaders, the ones who organize all the failed Marches, file all of the crank lawsuits, and make the cardboard badges for the Zoo Low Clown Kar gang, won’t get tired of this routine until they get a decent job.

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    Crustacean March 28, 2014 at 2:50 am #

    Those two? Pffffft!!! They are of no concern.

    Doc, your response is perfect.

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    aarrgghh March 28, 2014 at 3:12 am #

    doc: “Let’s all take a deep breath and step back for a moment. Birtherism is a war of words on the Internet. It is not a real conflict.”

    sadly, you’re singing to the choir and your intended audience is tone deaf.

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    bovril March 28, 2014 at 3:45 am #

    And naturally,in the very same thread, when BirdBrain is called on threats of death and violence……..

    And who did I threaten? Where is your proof to your wild ass claims?

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    The Magic M March 28, 2014 at 4:50 am #

    Benji Franklin: Falcon represents a 14 year old mind lashing out with threats against people who were right all along

    I think his bigger-than-God arrogance is more typical of an old geezer who thinks he’s surrounded by young people with no idea about life. (Like someone who fought WW1 and now wants to lecture people about modern aviation tactics.) The “I know better than you” and “just you wait” attitude is not very common among 14 year olds.

    JPotter: The rail cars with guillotines?

    Obviously a distraction orchestrated by the NWO to divert attention from the real conspiracy. ;)

    But you gotta hand it to them, it’s more inventive than the nutty claims about GWB (who was “only” about to declare Martial Law and close down streets, no FEMA camps, no flying guillotines).

    Besides, they completely ignore that Portable Guillotine patent that now belongs to the Rothschilds now that the four Chinese co-holders are dead on flight MH370 although they were never on it – or something, different conspiracy story. ;)
    Who needs rail cars, my iGuillotine extends from my wrist!

    Benji Franklin: Falcon’s tone is getting edgier as he realizes more and more completely that there is no Universe-shattering press conference coming

    I saw this behaviour in one wingnut I used to debate on WND before I got banned there. Right before the 2012 elections, his claims of how landslide-y Romney would win and what they (Romney and the wingnut) would do to us libruls became increasingly shrill. The day after the election, he was nowhere to be found (I think he returned months later but I didn’t bother anymore).

    Notice how Falcon is explicitly *not* staking his claims on a specific date or month, only an aggravated version of “any day now”. That way he shields himself a little from the embarrassment. In other words, as long as Zullo releases/press-conferences nothing, his universe won’t shatter.

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    The European March 28, 2014 at 6:52 am #

    Doc, quite sure some people here know the real name of that Falcon. I respect your policy about that. But could they please give a link to some place where that name can be found ?

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    The Magic M March 28, 2014 at 7:31 am #

    We could all leave our public PGP keys here and whoever is in the know can then sign Falcon’s real name with it, so it wouldn’t be public but restricted to those who left their keys.

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    Bob March 28, 2014 at 7:55 am #

    The only thing Birthers ever had are threats. I think a good portion of Birthers think it’s their patriotic duty to bug Obots by spouting nonsense and making threats. Making threats is their version of political activism. Threats and stupidity are their weapons of choice. Now that they finally understand that Obama isn’t going to be removed from office for “faking his birth certificate” they have to escalate the threats.

    1. You’re going to be sorry you supported someone who isn’t eligible.
    2. You’re going to be really, REALLY sorry you supported someone who isn’t eligible!
    3. I hope this all leads to an Uncivil War . . .

    Birther threats remind me of week-old kittens, whose eyes are not yet open, hissing when they smell something unfamiliar.

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    Northland10 March 28, 2014 at 8:54 am #

    CarlOrcas: Crazy, isn’t it? What I love are all the people who claim they’ve seen them or been told about them but not one picture or identifiable human being we can talk to.

    The evil government is bring sneaky by testing them on Hyundais.

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    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 9:06 am #

    What I can’t get over is how BirdBoy’s increasingly desperate and frantic over-the-top declarations and threats are so obviously compensating for some shortcoming in his own life. It’s a textbook case.

    What he’s overcompensating for can only be guessed at…

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 28, 2014 at 9:07 am #

    When making such a speculation confirmation bias comes into play.

    I have an opinion as to who Falcon is, but others have different opinions, and I was not able to get much support for my identification from “Obot insiders.” There are other birther watchers who spend much more time reading birther forums than I do, so based on what I know, I could not with confidence say who Falcon is.

    The same might be said for the owner of BR, although in that instance there is one good piece of evidence. Kerchner posted a PayPal button for donations to BR that lead to a person’s name, not someone I had ever heard of. You can read that here:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10182&p=586868

    Some believe that Falcon is the BR owner, but again, there is considerable argument against that idea.

    The European: Doc, quite sure some people here know the real name of that Falcon. I respect your policy about that. But could they please give a link to some place where that name can be found ?

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG March 28, 2014 at 9:17 am #

    I think Falcon will be REALLY surprised when the Secret Service show up at his mom’s house, asking if they can speak with the little troll in her basement.

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    Jim March 28, 2014 at 9:56 am #

    The Magic M: Notice how Falcon is explicitly *not* staking his claims on a specific date or month, only an aggravated version of “any day now”. That way he shields himself a little from the embarrassment. In other words, as long as Zullo releases/press-conferences nothing, his universe won’t shatter.

    Well, considering his record of being 100% wrong on all his prediction, it’s probably a good idea. However, I do not believe the “any-day-now” mantra fits with the CCP investigation anymore.

    CCP Investigation…”Any-year-now”

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 28, 2014 at 10:28 am #

    If Obama is the person the birthers believe, and the government is as corrupt as they believe, then their attempts to stay anonymous are silly. Real federal law enforcement would have no trouble tracking down chicken dip Falcon.

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    The Magic M March 28, 2014 at 10:31 am #

    Bob: I think a good portion of Birthers think it’s their patriotic duty to bug Obots by spouting nonsense and making threats. Making threats is their version of political activism.

    No, I think it’s mostly the best vent for their hatred. I don’t think any of them has any high-level motives (“patriotic duty”). It’s just their daily j***-off fantasy, like their lynch mob fantasies about Congress in general and Obama in particular.

    Also consider that there’s been a good deal of propaganda lately trying to paint anti-birthers as paid government shills. This makes them all the better target because they’re not fellow citizens but agents of the evil NWO to them.

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    Notorial Dissent March 28, 2014 at 11:06 am #

    If Falcon is for real, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, that is one nasty, bitter, lonely, and twisted individual. I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with him on a daily basis, and in truth feel a certain amount of concern for their health, welfare, and safety.

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    bgansel9 March 28, 2014 at 11:12 am #

    CarlOrcas: Crazy, isn’t it? What I love are all the people who claim they’ve seen them or been told about them but not one picture or identifiable human being we can talk to.

    Ask Nancy Owens, I’m sure she has all that information. :P

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    bgansel9 March 28, 2014 at 11:16 am #

    Bob: Birther threats remind me of week-old kittens, whose eyes are not yet open, hissing when they smell something unfamiliar.

    Love that analogy.

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    Pastor Charmley March 28, 2014 at 11:22 am #

    “I hope this all leads to an Uncivil War and the communists are imprisoned in their beloved FEMA Camps. I also hope the rail cars with guillotines are used. It’s a shame to let all that looted DHS money go to waste.”

    I remember when it was Bush who had the guillotines and FEMA camps, and was about to stage a false flag attack so he could cancel the 2008 election, and the plastic coffins were evidence of it. At least back then the nuts were coming up with some new material, the present crowd are wildly recycling everything that was being said about Bush eight years ago. And I mean everything, I was following the Truthers back then. Not because I believed them, but because a couple of my fellow seminarians were inclined to believe some of the less crazy Truther stuff.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG March 28, 2014 at 11:31 am #

    bgansel9: Love that analogy.

    Except that kittens are adorable. And you go “awww” at their funny little hissings.

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    Pastor Charmley March 28, 2014 at 11:32 am #

    The thing is of course that the 9/11 Truthers at least held to a conspiracy theory the basis of which made believing that Bush was going to be locking his opponents up in concentration camps and that sort of thing almost reasonable; after all, grant that Bush is prepared to kill thousands to justify going to war, and thus killing even more, and it’s entirely reasonable that the fellow would think nothing of mass murder in the streets. The Birther conspiracy, on the other hand, has at its base the idea that Barack Obama lied about the place of his birth, a circumstance that does not, in and of itself, mean that the man is a ruthless would-be dictator.

    I would also note that it is entirely in keeping with the character of an extreme conspiracist to be willing to do to those he regards as the enemy that which he is believes, erroneously, they are going to try to do to him. Such an idea worries me, suggesting as it does the justifications given for certain nasty bits of violence in the past against certain communities on the basis of unsubstantiated and untrue rumours.

    Of course, most of these internet conspiracy theorists are all talk and no action, but still, a nasty email is still nasty.

  27. avatar
    realist March 28, 2014 at 11:41 am #

    JPotter:
    The rail cars with guillotines?

    That one was new to me, so I googled it … and …. G-zuhss.

    The game of verbal one-upsmanship wingnuts play sure does take them to some bizarre places.

    It’s an oldie but a goodie. And ridiculous, of course, so birthers believe it… still.

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    The Magic M March 28, 2014 at 11:52 am #

    Notorial Dissent: I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with him on a daily basis

    Except for the nurse who’s changing his grandpa diapers, probably no-one. He doesn’t sound like someone who’s around a lot of people (nor like someone who’s all shy and hush during the day and then starts to act all tough when at his keyboard).

  29. avatar
    Paul March 28, 2014 at 11:53 am #

    Later in that same thread, from Falcon: “Congress will be forced to act or they will find themselves on the receiving end of a blood-bath of epic proportions.”

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    CarlOrcas March 28, 2014 at 12:21 pm #

    bgansel9: Ask Nancy Owens, I’m sure she has all that information.

    My guess is she built them, with her own hands, in her backyard in Clewiston.

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    CarlOrcas March 28, 2014 at 12:22 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:
    If Falcon is for real, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, that is one nasty, bitter, lonely, and twisted individual. I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with him on a daily basis, and in truth feel a certain amount of concern for their health, welfare, and safety.

    Agreed….on all counts.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG March 28, 2014 at 12:29 pm #

    Paul:
    Later in that same thread, from Falcon:“Congress will be forced to act or they will find themselves on the receiving end of a blood-bath of epic proportions.”

    I doubt Falcon has an ounce of real fight in him. He’s all talk Just a bigoted sociopath version of Barney Fife. Likes to puff himself up with some bragging, but when push comes to shove he becomes the shakiest gun in the west. If civil unrest were attempted, Falcon would be leading the charge from under his freshly-peed bed. If he meant half of what he says, I mean really meant it, he’d have attempted going “lone wolf” years ago.

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    Daniel March 28, 2014 at 1:28 pm #

    Keep in mind that every terrorist in history has fervently believed themselves to be a patriot. People like Falcon already have the mindset in place to cross the line. All they need to do is act.

    I still suspect as the situation becomes more and more hopeless for them… one of them will.

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    Publius March 28, 2014 at 1:29 pm #

    realist: The rail cars with guillotines?

    Apparently the US government is going to feel a need to execute 30 million people per day some time in the near future.

    Damn, I wonder what that’s going to do to the tax base?

    Even if you just chop off someone’s grandma’s head, I can hardly see that that would inspire loyalty and increased work productivity.

    I mean, such tactics have worked so well in places like North Korea. So yeah, I guess there’s some compelling reason to turn the US into North Korea. And I’m sure there are plenty of people in the military who’d really like to live in North Korea as well. I mean, look at the North Korean army. They’ve really done well out of the deal.

    Of course at 30 million a day, you’d only need 2 or 3 days to turn the US into North Korea. So there must be some bigger plans afoot.

    Ah… Got it. In just 7 or 8 months you can depopulate the entire planet and give it back to the dingos and pigeons. Sort of like in “I Am Legend,” except without any of the zombies.

    That must be the plan, then. Of course.

    It all makes so much sense now.

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    Publius March 28, 2014 at 1:34 pm #

    By the way… Am I the only one who finds just a teeny bit of irony in people who claim to be afraid of a government of “jack-booted thugs” enthusiastically calling for some future government to round up their fellow citizens and summarily execute them in the most brutal and terrifying ways possible?

    Or is that just bats*** crazy?

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    Paul March 28, 2014 at 1:35 pm #

    Publius:
    By the way… Am I the only one who finds just a teeny bit of irony in people who claim to be afraid of a government of “jack-booted thugs” enthusiastically calling for some future government to round up their fellow citizens and summarily execute them?

    Jackbooted thugs are FINE as long as they’re OUR jackbooted thugs.

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    Notorial Dissent March 28, 2014 at 1:45 pm #

    Let’s hoep not, as there seems to be a lot of not very well repressed rage and anger there that could really do someone some damage if he is capable of doing so, and I’m not saying your scenario isn’t perfectly possible.

    The Magic M: Except for the nurse who’s changing his grandpa diapers, probably no-one. He doesn’t sound like someone who’s around a lot of people (nor like someone who’s all shy and hush during the day and then starts to act all tough when at his keyboard).

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    Crustacean March 28, 2014 at 1:51 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The same might be said for the owner of BR, although in that instance there is one good piece of evidence. Kerchner posted a PayPal button for donations to BR that lead to a person’s name, not someone I had ever heard of. You can read that here:
    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10182&p=586868

    Couldn’t help myself, so I looked him up. And boy, howdy, does he ever look just like I’d expect a basement-dwelling conspiracy troll to look. He’s as misguided on facial hair as he is on President Obama’s eligibility.

    And if he’s really from North Carolina, that’s just too perfect. One of Stephen Colbert’s recurring themes that amuses the hell out of me is when he – as a proud South Carolinian – mercilessly trashes North Carolina BBQ.

    If things get really nasty at BR, Doc, let him have it, Colbert style:

    “Who makes barbecue sauce with vinegar? That’s what you use to clean a toilet, and by toilet, I mean Charlotte.”

    Only problem is, Foggy may feel the need to side with BR on that “intense debate” – a concept so unnatural that it could cause the universe to shatter.

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    CarlOrcas March 28, 2014 at 2:41 pm #

    Paul: Jackbooted thugs are FINE as long as they’re OUR jackbooted thugs.

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned the truck loads of jackboots being secretly moved around the country so they can be issued to all the birthers in preparation for the day the universe shatters.

    Check your neighborhood for a truck that looks like this:

    http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607992920506698706&w=256&h=168&c=7&rs=1&pe=1&mo=10_30&pid=1.7

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    Soduko March 28, 2014 at 3:00 pm #

    I am a newbie to the railcars and guillotine hoopla. If the govt were so inclined, wouldn’t just be easier to use all those treasury dept bullets?

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    Crustacean March 28, 2014 at 3:07 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I’m surprised no one has mentioned the truck loads of jackboots being secretly moved around the country so they can be issued to all the birthers in preparation for the day the universe shatters.

    “Its tough keeping your feet dry… when you’re kicking in a skull.”
    — Eddie Sherman*

    *weird trivia: the actor who portrayed that character has a brother who was ambassador to Kenya from 2003 – 2006.

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    The European March 28, 2014 at 4:04 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    When making such a speculation confirmation bias comes into play.

    I have an opinion as to who Falcon is, but others have different opinions, and I was not able to get much support for my identification from “Obot insiders.” There are other birther watchers who spend much more time reading birther forums than I do, so based on what I know, I could not with confidence say who Falcon is.

    The same might be said for the owner of BR, although in that instance there is one good piece of evidence. Kerchner posted a PayPal button for donations to BR that lead to a person’s name, not someone I had ever heard of. You can read that here:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10182&p=586868

    Some believe that Falcon is the BR owner, but again, there is considerable argument against that idea.

    Doc, Oily pulled the KKK hood off the head of Mr. BR as early as 2012, 13th of Jan.;

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/more-slander-by-bob-nelson-owner-of-obama-release-your-records/

    And I do not make up this post of that thread:

    /quote
    ” orly taitz
    January 14th, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

    I am working with a layer who has over 20 years of experience”

    Live is really stranger than fiction….

    But who is FALCON ?

    May we continue this discussion in the password protected thread ?

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    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 4:08 pm #

    Crustacean:

    the actor who portrayed that character has a brother who was ambassador to Kenya from 2003 – 2006.

    Do I have to draw you a picture, sheeple???

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    Daniel March 28, 2014 at 4:25 pm #

    Soduko:
    I am a newbie to the railcars and guillotine hoopla.If the govt were so inclined, wouldn’t just be easier to use all those treasury dept bullets?

    Guillotines were used in the French Revolution because they were easy to construct and required no training to use. The Rebels had no guns to spare for executions, so bullets weren’t available.

    The current preferred method of summary execution used wherever such are permitted, is a bullet to the head.

    Birthers and teabaggers use the guillotine reference because it scares them. Whether it’s valid or likely is irrelevant.

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    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 5:09 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    When making such a speculation confirmation bias comes into play.

    I have an opinion as to who Falcon is, but others have different opinions, and I was not able to get much support for my identification from “Obot insiders.” There are other birther watchers who spend much more time reading birther forums than I do, so based on what I know, I could not with confidence say who Falcon is.

    The same might be said for the owner of BR, although in that instance there is one good piece of evidence. Kerchner posted a PayPal button for donations to BR that lead to a person’s name, not someone I had ever heard of. You can read that here:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10182&p=586868

    Some believe that Falcon is the BR owner, but again, there is considerable argument against that idea.

    I have made it clear on other threads to this site that I do not like Obama, period. I would love to see him impeached. Now that I have stated this again I would like to comment on the Falcon.

    For any American to suggest a bloody civil war in my opinion is a direct threat to our society. There are means of removing politicians from office that are supposed to be civil as was intended by the constitution. I think the world has had enough violence to last a thousand lifetimes. For this Falcon to declare people be rounded up on trains and be executed by guillotine would rank right up there with Hitler.

    Until someone can prove that Obama is corrupt or a fraud he will be the president and I would oppose any violence to remove him. I don’t believe in his policies or the way he uses political clout to operate, I think he is very detrimental to this country, but to try and incite a civil war because you don’t like him is insane.

    Trust me, I would love to come back to this site some day and say I told you so, but that’s as violent as I would like to see anyone get.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 28, 2014 at 5:32 pm #

    So do you think that this particular fascination with violent insurrection is unique to Obama? (I personally haven’t spent enough time among the fringe before Obama to have an opinion.) If you think it is, do you think it’s just Obama or a trend we can expect to continue?

    I have been around politics in general, and I don’t find Obama even close to the top presidents in terms of using political clout to operate. Think of Lyndon Johnson or George w. Bush. Politicians using clout is about as normal as it gets in US politics.

    The Truth: Until someone can prove that Obama is corrupt or a fraud he will be the president and I would oppose any violence to remove him. I don’t believe in his policies or the way he uses political clout to operate, I think he is very detrimental to this country, but to try and incite a civil war because you don’t like him is insane.

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    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 5:38 pm #

    The Truth:

    Until someone can prove that Obama is corrupt or a fraud he will be the president and I would oppose any violence to remove him.

    Do you “oppose any violence to remove him” because of the practical consequences it would have upon the nation, or on moral grounds? Or some combination of the two?

    In other words: is it permissible to use an immoral tactic to achieve your dream of removing the duly-elected President? Such as, say, lying?

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    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 5:43 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Do you “oppose any violence to remove him” because of the practical consequences it would have upon the nation, or on moral grounds? Or some combination of the two?

    In other words: is it permissible to use an immoral tactic to achieve your dream of removing the duly-elected President? Such as, say, lying?

    I oppose the use of violence, do you like it?
    As far as lying, Mr Obama has done his share but that is not part of this thread is it?

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    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 5:51 pm #

    The Truth: I oppose the use of violence, do you like it?
    As far as lying, Mr Obama has done his share but that is not part of this thread is it?

    Of course, I oppose violence to achieve political ends. For you to suggest otherwise is not supported by any statement I’ve ever made. The record reflects that you refused to answer my rather specific question.

    As for the other, it’s a rather transparent dodge of the question to invoke the President’s purported lies. I asked whether you thought it was permissible to lie to achieve your political ends. The record reflects that you refused to answer my rather specific question, again.

    So I’ll ask it again: is it permissible to commit an immoral act, such as lying, to achieve your desired political result? Please note, again, that I’ve asked if this permissible, not whether someone has done so.

    Please note also that you’re not the thread police, son; you’re not to tell me whether I’m on-topic or not. Make a note of it.

  50. avatar
    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 6:06 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    So do you think that this particular fascination with violent insurrection is unique to Obama? (I personally haven’t spent enough time among the fringe before Obama to have an opinion.) If you think it is, do you think it’s just Obama or a trend we can expect to continue?

    I have been around politics in general, and I don’t find Obama even close to the top presidents in terms of using political clout to operate. Think of Lyndon Johnson or George w. Bush. Politicians using clout is about as normal as it gets in US politics.

    The world has a lot of violent people, now the internet provides a means for them to spew talk about using violence to achieve their goals, what ever they may be. It seems it has gotten worse with Obama, perhaps one could assume it is in part because of racism, I don’t know, I am not a mind reader.

    I do not wish to speak about political ideology on this site, I have stated I don’t like his policies etc., because someone on this thread would point out my old posts and my position on Obama leading to more name calling, I thought I would save them time. I will never be able to convince anyone on this site that Obama is not a good leader or abuses his clout etc so why bother? I have also stated on this site I am an independent and that I had voted for Bill Clinton, he was the most fiscally responsible president in recent history.

    I simply wanted to state the Falcon has gone off the deep end along with many others promoting violence.

  51. avatar
    Dave B. March 28, 2014 at 6:07 pm #

    Anonymous comment posted at Conservative America Online:

    “Do you really believe that among all the millions of Americans recognizing the intent of the second amendment there is not one that is both capable and willing to resurrect the justice denied them by all the elect having breached their oaths of office in following their media supported party boot licking politicians complicit in the treason? If you have never been required to risk death in service to your country then take notice of the rumble from those that have to understand their obvious suppression by all the guilt ridden incumbents. Dismissal of many of respected top military command only adds to their agony and fires their patriotic intent. Thousands of neutral pacifists were deported after the last revolution. Where will you stand.”

    http://conservativeamericaonline.blogspot.com/2014/02/video-jay-sekulow-disses-caller-who.html?showComment=1391876863030#c696572015375712426

  52. avatar
    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 6:12 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Of course, I oppose violence to achieve political ends. For you to suggest otherwise is not supported by any statement I’ve ever made. The record reflects that you refused to answer my rather specific question.

    As for the other, it’s a rather transparent dodge of the question to invoke the President’s purported lies. I asked whether you thought it was permissible to lie to achieve your political ends. The record reflects that you refused to answer my rather specific question, again.

    So I’ll ask it again: is it permissible to commit an immoral act, such as lying, to achieve your desired political result? Please note, again, that I’ve asked if this permissible, not whether someone has done so.

    Please note also that you’re not the thread police, son; you’re not to tell me whether I’m on-topic or not. Make a note of it.

    I don’t owe you any answers to your philosophical questions. It is not difficult to understand I am against the use of violence against politicians is it. What difference does it make why I feel that way, I am entitled to it.

  53. avatar
    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 6:14 pm #

    Certainly. The record reflects that you cannot define your own morality. That’s sufficient.

  54. avatar
    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

    Bonsall Obot:
    Certainly. The record reflects that you cannot define your own morality. That’s sufficient.

    You are judge and jury? Lol. Why don’t you tell me what your answer is to your own questions and I will consider answering your irrelevant request.

  55. avatar
    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 6:25 pm #

    Dave B.:
    Anonymous comment posted at Conservative America Online:

    “Do you really believe that among all the millions of Americans recognizing the intent of the second amendment there is not one that is both capable and willing to resurrect the justice denied them by all the elect having breached their oaths of office in following their media supported party boot licking politicians complicit in the treason? If you have never been required to risk death in service to your country then take notice of the rumble from those that have to understand their obvious suppression by all the guilt ridden incumbents. Dismissal of many of respected top military command only adds to their agony and fires their patriotic intent. Thousands of neutral pacifists were deported after the last revolution. Where will you stand.”

    http://conservativeamericaonline.blogspot.com/2014/02/video-jay-sekulow-disses-caller-who.html?showComment=1391876863030#c696572015375712426

    That blog statement is inciting violence. There are corrupt politicians, it is a fact, however we have laws to deal with them in a civil society.

  56. avatar
    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

    Oh, gladly; it’s impermissible to use an immoral tactic or behavior to achieve a supposedly moral end; in short, the ends do not justify the means.

    I despise the Cheney/Bush Crime Family; I abhor the damage they caused to this nation, and that the policies they instituted which have remained in place and metastasized continue to harm us.

    But I have very real grievances with them, and, truth to tell, with the current President. Yes, the current President is making many mistakes and he should be held to account for them. But they’re not the crimes you imagine them to be.

    You see, I am a fully-realized adult. That means I don’t have to use violence, or larceny, or prevarication to make a very valid point. As such, even though I despise them and everything they stand for, I never felt the need to threaten them or their supporters, or to lie about them

    This is the main difference between us: your past statements and behavior make the case that, because you have a strongly-held belief. you are entitled to use immoral means to achieve your ends, to wit: you have been caught in at least eight blatant lies about the President (I stopped counting, as it was too easy and too boring to catch you in a lie.) With all the valid complaints you can make about the man, you chose to destroy your own credibility by constantly repeating easily-disproved lies. This makes you unfit for adult discourse.

    When you have to lie to make a point, you can’t have much of a point in the first place.

    I applaud your rejection of violence; this is correct. But you are an emotional and philosophical child for believing that you are entitled to lie with impunity to achieve your ends.

  57. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 28, 2014 at 6:37 pm #

    That’s fine, and such a discussion would be off-topic for this site anyway.

    Actually the last part of your comment I copied isn’t true. I, for example, am not convinced that Obama is a good leader in the first place. I would rather wait until his term ends and the historians have debated him for a decade before I make up my mind. Heck, I haven’t totally got my head around Nixon yet.

    The Truth: I do not wish to speak about political ideology on this site, I have stated I don’t like his policies etc., … I will never be able to convince anyone on this site that Obama is not a good leader or abuses his clout etc so why bother?

  58. avatar
    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 6:40 pm #

    Bonsall Obot:
    Oh, gladly; it’s impermissible to use an immoral tactic or behavior to achieve a supposedly moral end; in short, the ends do not justify the means.

    I despise the Cheney/Bush Crime Family; I abhor the damage they caused to this nation, and that the policies they instituted which have remained in place and metastasized continue to harm us.

    But I have very real grievances with them, and, truth to tell, with the current President. Yes, the current President is making many mistakes and he should be held to account for them. But they’re not the crimes you imagine them to be.

    You see, I am a fully-realized adult. That means I don’t have to use violence, or larceny, or prevarication to make a very valid point.

    This is the main difference between us: your past statements and behavior make the case that, because you have a strongly-held belief. you are entitled to use immoral means to achieve your ends, to wit: you have been caught in at least eight blatant lies about the President (I stopped counting, as it was too easy and too boring to catch you in a lie.) With all the valid complaints you can make about the man, you chose to destroy your own credibility by constantly repeating easily-disproved lies. This makes you unfit for adult discourse.

    When you have to lie to make a point, you can’t have much of a point in the first place.

    I applaud your rejection of violence; this is correct. But you are an emotional and philosophical child for believing that you are entitled to lie with impunity to achieve your ends.

    If you want to discuss lies, then one should refer to Obama since he is the topic of this site. Does his lies justify the means? I am not the president, I do not represent over 300 million people. I am not certain what lies you refer to, or is it that you do not agree with me because I would like him removed from office for a total failure of leadership (among other things)? You see, I simply wanted to state this Falcon was insane, I am not interested in your political agenda. This site is unbelievable, it all boils down pro Obama and anyone against him. There is information coming out this weekend about the Subud (which I have researched), we will perhaps see who the liar is. I will come back next week and see what this site has to say. Enjoy your weekend.

  59. avatar
    The Truth March 28, 2014 at 6:45 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That’s fine, and such a discussion would be off-topic for this site anyway.

    Actually the last part of your comment I copied isn’t true. I, for example, am not convinced that Obama is a good leader in the first place. I would rather wait until his term ends andthe historians have debated him for a decade before I make up my mind. Heck, I haven’t totally got my head around Nixon yet.

    Fair enough, have a good weekend.

  60. avatar
    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    Mommy’s Special Snowflake said:

    If you want to discuss lies, then one should refer to Obama since he is the topic of this site.

    What a pathetic attempt at deflection. Fail.

    (Here’s a hint: the topic of the site is Birfers like you. It’s called Obama Conspiracy Theories, pumpkin, not Let’s Talk Obama.)

    and

    is it that you do not agree with me because I would like him removed from office for a total failure of leadership (among other things)?

    “High crimes and misdemeanors.” Read the damn Constitution, if you really want him removed; there’s an app for that.

    and:

    This site is unbelievable, it all boils down pro Obama and anyone against him.

    Reading comprehension fail; you seem to have missed a lot of what I said (and you blockquoted.)

    and, finally:

    There is information coming out this weekend about the Subud (which I have researched), we will perhaps see who the liar is.

    This is a shining example of what I meant; you fantasize about a conspiracy, make unwarranted assumptions and lie about impossible connections… then expect to be taken seriously?

    No, Snowflake. Shoo. Adults are speaking here.

  61. avatar
    Majority Will March 28, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    Bonsall Obot:
    Oh, gladly; it’s impermissible to use an immoral tactic or behavior to achieve a supposedly moral end; in short, the ends do not justify the means.

    I despise the Cheney/Bush Crime Family; I abhor the damage they caused to this nation, and that the policies they instituted which have remained in place and metastasized continue to harm us.

    But I have very real grievances with them, and, truth to tell, with the current President. Yes, the current President is making many mistakes and he should be held to account for them. But they’re not the crimes you imagine them to be.

    You see, I am a fully-realized adult. That means I don’t have to use violence, or larceny, or prevarication to make a very valid point. As such, even though I despise them and everything they stand for, I never felt the need to threaten them or their supporters, or to lie about them

    This is the main difference between us: your past statements and behavior make the case that, because you have a strongly-held belief. you are entitled to use immoral means to achieve your ends, to wit: you have been caught in at least eight blatant lies about the President (I stopped counting, as it was too easy and too boring to catch you in a lie.) With all the valid complaints you can make about the man, you chose to destroy your own credibility by constantly repeating easily-disproved lies. This makes you unfit for adult discourse.

    When you have to lie to make a point, you can’t have much of a point in the first place.

    I applaud your rejection of violence; this is correct. But you are an emotional and philosophical child for believing that you are entitled to lie with impunity to achieve your ends.

    Hear, hear. Well said.

    As we’ve witnessed here too many times, a weak minded and delusional birther bigot only understands how to be a rage fueled and lying jackass.

  62. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater March 28, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    The Truth: If you want to discuss lies, then one should refer to Obama since he is the topic of this site.

    No the topic of the site is conspiracy theories about Obama. One of which you fell for pretty heavily and got destroyed on when you went on your subud rant a few weeks back. You act as if you’re clean here when you thought lying about the president, his mother with impunity was a-okay.

    The Truth: This site is unbelievable, it all boils down pro Obama and anyone against him.

    No, see once again you’re lying about the position of this site. This isn’t about being pro-Obama or anti-Obama it’s about whether you’re willing to believe lies for which you can’t back up like say your subud claims.

  63. avatar
    Publius March 28, 2014 at 7:12 pm #

    People, I just want to say, can’t we all get along? Can’t we all get along?

  64. avatar
    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm #

    Publius:

    People, I just want to say, can’t we all get along? Can’t we all get along?

    Careful, Pub; the last guy that said that died at the bottom of his pool. A few months later, “President” “Obama” was “re-elected.”

    Do I have to draw you sheeple a picture???

  65. avatar
    Daniel March 28, 2014 at 7:41 pm #

    Folks, lets try to give credit where credit is due. “The Truth” publicly denounced the violence, which was the subject of the thread. I choose to believe he’s being sincere about that statement.

    I for one applaud his stance. Whether I agree with his other ideas on any subject can be subjects for another day. Today I can stand with him for that one thing, and I think that’s a step in the right direction.

  66. avatar
    Bonsall Obot March 28, 2014 at 7:50 pm #

    Daniel:

    Folks, lets try to give credit where credit is due….

    I for one applaud his stance.

    Indeed; in fact, I used almost those exact words when I praised him for that correct moral position.

    What I was endeavoring to do was guide him through a Philosophy 101 examination of his own moral code, to demonstrate that his rejection of violence and his embracing of dishonesty were morally and philosophically inconsistent.

    It was a Teachable Moment, and I accept my failure to have been able to teach him.

  67. avatar
    Publius March 28, 2014 at 10:41 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Careful, Pub; the last guy that said that died at the bottom of his pool.

    That’s scary.

    I could retract the statement.

    Or, I could try to avoid the same kind of outcome by not mixing swimming with alcohol, cocaine, marijuana and PCP.

    Maybe I’ll start with the latter.

    And also stay away from swimming pools for a while. Just to be on the safe side.

  68. avatar
    Rickey March 28, 2014 at 11:36 pm #

    The Truth:

    Until someone can prove that Obama is corrupt or a fraud he will be the president and I would oppose any violence to remove him. I don’t believe in his policies or the way he uses political clout to operate, I think he is very detrimental to this country, but to try and incite a civil war because you don’t like him is insane.

    What you don’t seem to understand is that the people who are trying to incite violence have their rage fed by unfounded and unproven allegations that Obama is a fraud.

    Your anti-violence comments are welcome, but I would be more easily convinced of your sincerity if you would show a willingness to come to grips with and disown your lies about Obama. You contributed to the rage of Obama haters by spreading your easily disproved theory that Obama’s “real father” was Subuh. In case you missed it, here is what I posted a couple of weeks ago:

    Sometime in 1959, after the summer but while Mercer Island High School was in session. Dunham and a male friend named Bill Byers decided to make an impromptu trip by car to San Francisco. We know that it happened during the school year because another friend, John Hunt, was asked to go along but he refused in part because “They would get in trouble for cutting school” (“A Singular Woman” by Janny Scott, pp. 67-68). “The Truth” believes that Dunham was impregnated by Subuh during her time in San Francisco. His belief is easily debunked, if for no other reason than the incontrovertible fact that Subuh was not in San Francisco at any time after July 14, 1959.

    Subuh gave four talks in San Francisco during the summer of 1959. The first was on July 3 and the last was on July 13. He then gave five talks in Los Angeles, and by August 1 he was in Oslo, Norway. He remained in Europe until January, 1960, when he traveled from Greece to India. Subuh was nowhere near San Francisco when Dunham was there, so he could not possibly have impregnated her.

    http://www.subudstories.info/bapak/talks/talks.html

    “The Truth” has offered two fallback theories. One is his claim that Dunham “disappeared” shortly after she returned to Washington. But that isn’t true. “Whatever the case, sometime shortly after graduation in 1960, Stanley Ann vanished.” (“A Singular Woman” p. 71). Not only is “The Truth’s” timeframe wrong, in context it is clear that she did not literally vanish. She was upset that her parents were moving to Hawaii and that her father would not let her attend the University of Chicago, and she reacted by cutting off contact with her high school friends. As her friend Maxine Box said, “She was upset that she had to move.” (“A Singular Woman” p. 71).

    The other fallback theory is that Dunham met Subuh in Chicago during the summer of 1959. President Obama has written that she told him that she worked as an au pair in Chicago that summer, and this is supported by her aunt, Arlene Payne, who has said that Dunham stayed with her for a time while Payne was doing graduate work at the University of Chicago (“A Singular Woman” p. 71). Subuh, meanwhile, gave three talks in Chicago in 1959. The first was on June 17 and the last was on June 25. He then was in Denver on June 30. The population of Chicago in 1959 was 3.5 million; the idea that Dunham would have met Subuh during the ten days or so that he was there is rather remote, even if she happened to be there at the same time (and “The Truth” has no idea what part of the summer she spent in Chicago). However, simple arithmetic tells us that Subuh could not possibly have impregnated Dunham while he was in Chicago. If she had conceived during the last week of June, she would have given birth in late March or early April of 1960, during her senior year in high school. None of her many high school friends who have been interviewed have any recollection of her being pregnant.

    “The Truth” then makes the evidence-free suggestion that Stanley Ann became involved in Subud during her time in Indonesia. In fact, Subud is mentioned only twice in “A Singular Woman” and Subuh is not mentioned at all. In 1970 Stanley Ann was recruiting teachers for the Ford Foundation. “A half-dozen of them [teachers] accepted her invitation, many of them members of an international spiritual organization, Subud” (“A Singular Woman” pp. 116-117). One of Stanley Ann’s many friends in Indonesia was Mohammad Mansur Medeiros, “a reclusive and scholarly Subud member from Fall River, Massachusetts” (“A Singular Woman” p. 121). Those are the only mentions of Subud in the book that I can find, and there is not even a suggestion that Stanley Ann ever joined the organization. The fact that she met a few members of Subud is hardly a dramatic or significant revelation.

    The ball is now in your court.

  69. avatar
    Arthur March 29, 2014 at 12:13 am #

    Take a look at this article and see if whether the people described in it don’t remind you of the commenters at Birther Report:

    Texas Right Wing Nut Job Arrested For Plotting To Blow Up Govt Buildings, Kill Law Enforcement Officers

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/03/texas-right-wing-nut-job-arrested-plotting

    Here’s a sample: “It comes a time when a Patriot must move forward to stop a tyrannical government that uses policing agents against the people whom deserve their freedoms to restore this nation pre-constitutionally.[Those whom deserve to be free.] Those same agents willing to protect those whom are against us. The banking cartel is not going to stop with their Agenda, and only we can stop them and their agenda by taking what they love most and using it against them for our own missions.”

  70. avatar
    Keith March 29, 2014 at 1:22 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    If Obama is the person the birthers believe, and the government is as corrupt as they believe, then their attempts to stay anonymous are silly. Real federal law enforcement would have no trouble tracking down chicken dip Falcon.

    Perhaps they are trying to avoid their ‘friends’ and family from performing an intervention and getting them committed.

  71. avatar
    The European March 29, 2014 at 2:30 am #

    Just looked at BR. Even “John” seems to give it up with the Clown Posse…..

  72. avatar
    Lupin March 29, 2014 at 3:20 am #

    Why a guillotine?

    Speaking as a Frenchman, this, er, cuts a bit too close to home.

    What’s wrong with firing squads or hanging?

    Why on Earth a guillotine? What a weird fantasy.

  73. avatar
    Rickey March 29, 2014 at 4:13 am #

    The European:
    Just looked at BR. Even “John” seems to give it up with the Clown Posse…..

    Yes, no earth-shattering announcement this month. From BR:

    Carl Gallups: Spoke to Sheriff Arpaio’s Obama investigator Mike Zullo yesterday and he assured that the investigation is hot and heavy and there will be some conferences coming soon. Says they’d hoped for the end of March but it doesn’t look like that is going to happen. Reiterates that no date is set but it is going to happen soon.

  74. avatar
    Rickey March 29, 2014 at 4:15 am #

    The European:
    Just looked at BR. Even “John” seems to give it up with the Clown Posse…..

    John believes that they may be waiting for Tony Rezko to be released from prison. The problem is that Rezko’s earliest release date is 5/2/2017, more than four months after Obama will be leaving office.

  75. avatar
    ArthurWankspittle March 29, 2014 at 5:53 am #

    Lupin:
    Why a guillotine?

    Speaking as a Frenchman, this, er, cuts a bit too close to home.

    What’s wrong with firing squads or hanging?

    Why on Earth a guillotine? What a weird fantasy.

    Vattel?

  76. avatar
    Lupin March 29, 2014 at 6:08 am #

    ArthurWankspittle: Vattel?

    Technically, Swiss. No guillotine. Crossbows, perhaps? Death by cuckoo clocks?

  77. avatar
    Majority Will March 29, 2014 at 7:06 am #

    Lupin: Technically, Swiss. No guillotine. Crossbows, perhaps? Death by cuckoo clocks?

    Swiss Army knife corkscrew.

  78. avatar
    Jim March 29, 2014 at 8:08 am #

    Rickey: Yes, no earth-shattering announcement this month. From BR:

    Carl Gallups: Spoke to Sheriff Arpaio’s Obama investigator Mike Zullo yesterday and he assured that the investigation is hot and heavy and there will be some conferences coming soon. Says they’d hoped for the end of March but it doesn’t look like that is going to happen. Reiterates that no date is set but it is going to happen soon.

    Any year now….

  79. avatar
    The European March 29, 2014 at 8:26 am #

    Lupin: Technically, Swiss. No guillotine. Crossbows, perhaps? Death by cuckoo clocks?

    Cuckoo clocks are made in the Black Forest. Not far from Switzerland, but still Germany.

  80. avatar
    ArthurWankspittle March 29, 2014 at 10:35 am #

    Lupin: Technically, Swiss. No guillotine. Crossbows, perhaps? Death by cuckoo clocks?

    But he wrote in French didn’t he? So that’s near enough for Birthers,
    (Crossbows, hmm, Birthers playing at William Tell,,,,)

  81. avatar
    JRC March 29, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

    The Truth: If you want to discuss lies, then one should refer to Obama since he is the topic of this site. Does his lies justify the means? I am not the president, I do not represent over 300 million people. I am not certain what lies you refer to, or is it that you do not agree with me because I would like him removed from office for a total failure of leadership (among other things)? You see, I simply wanted to state this Falcon was insane, I am not interested in your political agenda. This site is unbelievable, it all boils down pro Obama and anyone against him. There is information coming out this weekend about the Subud (which I have researched), we will perhaps see who the liar is. I will come back next week and see what this site has to say. Enjoy your weekend.

    I for one am not Pro-Obama. I’m a libertarian that respects reason and real evidence for which based on those, there is no cause to suggest that Obama is ineligible to serve as President. The most important is that the Constitution (very important document that birthers do not seem to respect in most regards) gives full faith and credit to the states, and Hawaii is a state and as a state verified Obama’s birth. End of story. So you are in fact wrong once again when you claim that this is a Pro-Obama site. There are many policies that I disagree with…from the droning program, NSA spying, to DEA using NSA data to target American citizens (though that is a developing story, so still waiting to see if details are correct). I will say that many of the policies were started before Obama took office, but they are now happening under his watch, so that doesn’t excuse him. There are others on this site that are Republican as well that are not Pro-Obama. I guess it makes it easier to hold on to your wrong belief to say that well it’s just those evil Pro-Obama liberal obots that hold that the President is eligible. As far as speculating on who his father may have, it has no relevance to his being eligible PERIOD. Most of your tripe is irrelevant to that question. And as I pointed out above, it is clear under the Constitution that he is eligible.

  82. avatar
    JRC March 29, 2014 at 3:09 pm #

    To go with my post above. If his father was a real alien from another planet, and he was born in the U.S. of A. to his mother S. Ann Durham, and it was documented in one of 50 states that he was born in that state, he would Constitutionally be eligible to be President. Because he would be at least 35 Earth years old, and lived in the U.S. of A for at least 14 Earth years.

  83. avatar
    Majority Will March 29, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

    JRC: I for one am not Pro-Obama.I’m a libertarian that respects reason and real evidence for which based on those, there is no cause to suggest that Obama is ineligible to serve as President.The most important is that the Constitution (very important document that birthers do not seem to respect in most regards) gives full faith and credit to the states, and Hawaii is a state and as a state verified Obama’s birth.End of story.So you are in fact wrong once again when you claim that this is a Pro-Obama site.There are many policies that I disagree with…from the droning program, NSA spying, to DEA using NSA data to target American citizens (though that is a developing story, so still waiting to see if details are correct).I will say that many of the policies were started before Obama took office, but they are now happening under his watch, so that doesn’t excuse him.There are others on this site that are Republican as well that are not Pro-Obama.I guess it makes it easier to hold on to your wrong belief to say that well it’s just those evil Pro-Obama liberal obots that hold that the President is eligible.As far as speculating on who his father may have, it has no relevance to his being eligible PERIOD. Most of your tripe is irrelevant to that question. And as I pointed out above, it is clear under the Constitution that he is eligible.

    Well said. Thanks.

  84. avatar
    Publius March 29, 2014 at 4:45 pm #

    I for one am not Pro-Obama. I’m a libertarian that respects reason and real evidence for which based on those, there is no cause to suggest that Obama is ineligible to serve as President.

    I’m not pro-Obama either. I’m merely a member of the pro-sanity party.

    As I’ve noted before, there’s plenty of evidence out there that establishes beyond any rational doubt (which is yes, a bit higher standard than beyond any reasonable doubt) that Mr. Obama was in fact born in Hawaii and is eligible to be President.

    Anyone who still maintains otherwise is either shockingly misinformed and insulated from reality, or a birther grifter, or cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

  85. avatar
    Arthur March 29, 2014 at 5:03 pm #

    Publius: I’m not pro-Obama either. I’m merely a member of the pro-sanity party.

    Well said. I voted for Obama because of the two major candidates he best represented my views, not because I thought he was perfect. I oppose birtherism because it’s nothing but ill-founded argle-bargle.

  86. avatar
    RanTalbott March 29, 2014 at 7:32 pm #

    Lupin: Why a guillotine?

    It’s a campfire tale making the rounds among birfers. It’s not clear whether it’s a prank, like the “Obama got a Fulbright” joke, or something that some birfer loon came up with.

    I read somewhere that some government agency actually did order a bunch of “guillotines”: powered paper cutters commonly used for trimming bound books and other jobs on thick stacks. But I don’t know whether that’s true, or whether a misinterpretation of that is the source of the story.

  87. avatar
    Publius March 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm #

    It all makes one wonder what kind of loony story you could come up with and get people to believe it.

    Pardon me, my watch is buzzing. Incoming comms from the Tau Ceti system.

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    RanTalbott March 30, 2014 at 3:39 am #

    Publius: It all makes one wonder what kind of loony story you could come up with and get people to believe it.

    The bar is pretty low (or high, depending on whether you’re betting for, or against, gullibility).

    The “Fulbright Scholarship” prank has, arguably, been outdone by the “4 simple questions” one, since it starts off by claiming that Obama is listed as “African-American” on a BC that doesn’t even have his race on it.

    To be fair, you could downgrade the looniness of the “born in Kenya” story by stipulating that Obama could’ve been born earlier, so the return to Hawaii becomes less ludicrous (if the rest of the story is a fraud, why insist that the birth date isn’t?). So that’s not really really at the top.

    The “Indonesian citizenship” is a strong contender: unlike, say, prohibitions against robbery or murder,. which merely express a desire for good behavior, citizenship laws define reality.

    With a case like the “FEMA Camps”, you can only argue the ridiculous improbability and lack of evidence. But, in the case of the citizenship myth, it wouldn’t matter if someone came up with genuine, undoctored video of little Barack standing before a judge and swearing he would be a loyal citizen of Indonesia: the legal prohibition would invalidate it.

    So, believing something that’s literally impossible is about as loony as you can get.

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    Lupin March 30, 2014 at 5:37 am #

    The European: Cuckoo clocks are made in the Black Forest. Not far from Switzerland, but still Germany.

    I blame Orson Welles for my ignorance.

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    Lupin March 30, 2014 at 5:41 am #

    RanTalbott: I read somewhere that some government agency actually did order a bunch of “guillotines”: powered paper cutters commonly used for trimming bound books and other jobs on thick stacks. But I don’t know whether that’s true, or whether a misinterpretation of that is the source of the story.

    FWIW the correct French term for such tools is “massicot”.

    “Guillotine” is really only the notorious death machine which wasn’t even designed by poor Guillotin, who just sponsored the law that required its use.

    We do occasionally use the term to refer to the type of windows that open up/down (“fenêtres à guillotine”).

    If a government wanted to massacre its citizens, a guillotine would be a very inefficient way of doing it.

    I still don’t quite get it.

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    RanTalbott March 30, 2014 at 5:43 am #

    Lupin: I blame Orson Welles for my ignorance.

    Obviously, you didn’t read the Obot indoctrination manual: you’re supposed to blame Bush.

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    Georgetown JD March 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm #

    *FALCON* — all hat, no cattle.

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    RanTalbott March 30, 2014 at 6:03 pm #

    Lupin: FWIW the correct French term for such tools is “massicot”.

    Well, of course, “correct French” don’t mean nuthin’ to Real Americans, any more than “corret English” seems to these days. I think it’s mostly thought of as “an English word of French origin” now, like so many others that The Borg of Languages has “assimilated”. If it weren’t, there probably would’ve been a movement to rename the paper cutter a “Freedom Trimmer” after 9/11 ;-)

    But you’re missing part of the point when you try to analyze the story logically: often, one of the goals of a campfire tale is to embarrass the uninitiated when the big reveal shows how naive they were. Another would be simply to entertain, in the days before TV and cinema. Still another would be to inflame, by exaggerating the inhuman evilness of an enemy. If the story were too close to reality, it would lose much of its effectiveness.

    The absurdity is almost certainly intended, regardless of whether the story is a prank or scary propaganda.

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    Northland10 March 30, 2014 at 8:30 pm #

    Daniel:
    Folks, lets try to give credit where credit is due. “The Truth” publicly denounced the violence, which was the subject of the thread. I choose to believe he’s being sincere about that statement.

    I for one applaud his stance. Whether I agree with his other ideas on any subject can be subjects for another day. Today I can stand with him for that one thing, and I think that’s a step in the right direction.

    Agreed.

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    Arthur March 30, 2014 at 9:37 pm #

    Georgetown JD: *FALCON* — all hat, no cattle.

    Ah, but what a marvelously insane hat it is, as this most recent comment from birdboy demonstrates:

    “I know it’s a dream of the infested smegma bucket over at Dr. Crunt’s that I get Breitbarted – but you know as well as I do that’s not going to happen and anyone that even tries it is going to get shot – alot, with high caliber handguns. I know all about your insane derelicts and that’s why I stay armed.”

    Sometimes . . . . sometimes, the guy just makes me dizzy with laughter. What a pathetic little Barney Fife of a man.

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    Bonsall Obot March 30, 2014 at 9:43 pm #

    A Cowardly BirdBoy said:

    “I know it’s a dream of the infested smegma bucket over at Dr. Crunt’s that I get Breitbarted – ”

    Breitbart killed himself with a toxic cocktail of rage, cholesterol, booze and cocaine.

    And it goes without saying that Infested Smegma Bucket shall be our new band name.

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    BillTheCat March 30, 2014 at 9:53 pm #

    We don’t need to “Breitbart” him, he’s on his way to a self-made coronary regardless.

  98. avatar
    Arthur March 30, 2014 at 9:58 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Infested Smegma Bucket

    Just another in the long list of examples that illustrate birdboy’s obsession with male buttocks, genitals, and reproductive systems.

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    Patrick McKinnion March 30, 2014 at 11:12 pm #

    Not surprising. Falcon has been a keyboard warrior for a while. And Chris Farrell’s stock in trade (other than claiming to be a deserter from the French Foreign Legion) has always been calling for the public execution of President Obama.

    So I’m less than surprised to read any of this.

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    Majority Will March 30, 2014 at 11:34 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Breitbart killed himself with a toxic cocktail of rage, cholesterol, booze and cocaine.

    And it goes without saying that Infested Smegma Bucket shall be our new band name.

    It’s about time we got the band back together.

    I also like The U-Slurpers, Alvin and the Smiley Faces and Natural Born Crullers for band names.

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    bovril March 31, 2014 at 11:07 am #

    As a general item, it seems all the voluble Birfoon males are obsessed with Teh Gey…..

    BudgieBrain does seem to projecteth too much as does his little friend “Ramboike”

    Then we have the other side, the ScottKB1978’s of this world who desperately attempt to come across as some ass kicking alpha male whilst simply showing a profound misogyny and lack of internal censor.

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    Lupin March 31, 2014 at 11:13 am #

    RanTalbott: Well, of course, “correct French” don’t mean nuthin’ to Real Americans, any more than “corret English” seems to these days. I think it’s mostly thought of as “an English word of French origin” now, like so many others that The Borg of Languages has “assimilated”. If it weren’t, there probably would’ve been a movement to rename the paper cutter a “Freedom Trimmer” after 9/11

    But you’re missing part of the point when you try to analyze the story logically: often, one of the goals of a campfire tale is to embarrass the uninitiated when the big reveal shows how naive they were. Another would be simply to entertain, in the days before TV and cinema. Still another would be to inflame, by exaggerating the inhuman evilness of an enemy. If the story were too close to reality, it would lose much of its effectiveness.

    The absurdity is almost certainly intended, regardless of whether the story is a prank or scary propaganda.

    The mind boggles.

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    Dave March 31, 2014 at 11:28 am #

    So, the implication is that we employ insane derelicts as secret assassins?

    Arthur: (quoting ★FALCON★):

    “I know all about your insane derelicts and that’s why I stay armed.”

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    Bonsall Obot March 31, 2014 at 11:32 am #

    Dave:
    So, the implication is that we employ insane derelicts as secret assassins?

    Have you priced assassins lately? Our Lord Soros has directed that we mind every shekel. Those insane derelicts underbid everyone else by half!