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Arizona Auditor General may look into Cold Case Posse donations

According to the Arizona’s Politics blog, the Arizona Auditor General will consider information about the County/MSCO/Posse relationship. Information published on this blog, Brian Reilly’s first hand accounts of the Posse, and my investigation of the lack of CCP financial accountability, are things that may be considered.

I do not understand, however, how the Arizona Auditor General can audit the Cold Case Posse when they are a private non-profit.

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26 Responses to Arizona Auditor General may look into Cold Case Posse donations

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    Curious George April 16, 2014 at 7:56 pm #

    More possible issues for Private Z.

    http://arizonaspolitics.blogspot.com/2014/04/breaking-sheriff-arpaios-mcsos-posse.html?m=1

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    CarlOrcas April 16, 2014 at 8:43 pm #

    Curious George:
    More possible issues for Private Z.

    http://arizonaspolitics.blogspot.com/2014/04/breaking-sheriff-arpaios-mcsos-posse.html?m=1

    Well……that is interesting. Hopefully it will be done in public so we know what is happening.

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    alg April 16, 2014 at 11:32 pm #

    This is actually a very reasonable thing to do. The lines between the non-profit “Cold Case Posse” and the MCSO are decidedly murky. On the one hand it is presented as working under the authority and direction of the MCSO, yet on the other hand wholly independent and unrelated. Add to that the element of political motivations and suddenly we have a serious public ethics issue.

    It’s hard to say where something like this may lead. Perhaps nowhere. But it should give the more responsible management at MCSO pause for concern and maybe the exercise of additional discipline.

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    John Reilly April 16, 2014 at 11:43 pm #

    If the Cold Case Posse refuses to be investigated on the grounds it is private, then that would suggest that the CCP ought not be running about Maricopa County, or, indeed, anywhere, pretending to be peace officers.

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    bgansel9 April 16, 2014 at 11:43 pm #

    “I do not understand, however, how the Arizona Auditor General can audit the Cold Case Posse when they are a private non-profit.”

    How about because they are sharing assets (a gas key seems to be a good asset to consider, that gas is paid with county taxpayer funding).

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    Notorial Dissent April 16, 2014 at 11:48 pm #

    I think it boils down to whose lies do you believe or whose are more inconvenient for some one on the other end of the audit. Actually, when it comes right down to it, I think the auditor has a good shot at it, since if county money was going to the posse, regardless of what its real status is/was, then the MCSO is probably in it as far as state law is concerned, and I don’t think oops will cover it this time around.

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    CarlOrcas April 16, 2014 at 11:53 pm #

    Your question is on target, Doc.

    While they probably can’t investigate the internals of the posses themselves they can investigate the relationship between them and the MCSO and the ramifications for the public.

    Frankly……the Maricopa County Manager should have done this a long time ago.

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    JRC April 17, 2014 at 1:35 am #

    Do non-profits also not pay state tax? If so, then I would imagine that would give the state auditor authority to investigate.

  9. avatar
    Punchmaster via mobile April 17, 2014 at 1:44 am #

    Did anyone else just hear the sound of Falcon pooping a brick? :)

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    CarlOrcas April 17, 2014 at 1:50 am #

    JRC:
    Do non-profits also not pay state tax?If so, then I would imagine that would give the state auditor authority to investigate.

    That would be up to the Department of Revenue in Arizona. But once the entity has a letter of determination from the IRS they don’t even have to apply to the state. Now….if the feds decide to look into the Cold Case Posse that would open the door for the Arizona DOR.

    The auditor has fairly broad authority to investigate how public entities do their jobs. In this case the problem is the posses aren’t public entities…..they’re private, non-profit organizations.

    What she probably can do is look into how the MCSO interacts with them and the implications for the public.

    In any case it’s better than nothing.

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    ArthurWankspittle April 17, 2014 at 3:31 am #

    CarlOrcas:

    While they probably can’t investigate the internals of the posses themselves they can investigate the relationship between them and the MCSO and the ramifications for the public.

    THIS ^
    I continue to contend that there has been a lot going on which leaves the MCSO open to liability in several areas.
    Separately, the person who needs to worry the most is Head Knob Holder Zullo, who is the one who will be answering questions about the Continuous Con Posse and will also be the one Arpaio will throw under the bus without compunction.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 17, 2014 at 9:37 am #

    Since so many birthers have all of their eggs in the Zullo CCP basket, I gotta wonder what the end result would be, if that “ace in the hole” is suddenly taken away.
    Oh, and they lost ANOTHER ally. They’re bellyaching about it in the latest br poopies.

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    CarlOrcas April 17, 2014 at 11:25 am #

    ArthurWankspittle: THIS ^
    I continue to contend that there has been a lot going on which leaves the MCSO open to liability in several areas.
    Separately, the person who needs to worry the most is Head Knob Holder Zullo, who is the one who will be answering questions about the Continuous Con Posse and will also be the one Arpaio will throw under the bus without compunction.

    Actually I think there are two issues there: One is public and official and the other is the private, non-profit corporation that is the Cold Case Posse.

    Arpaio, the MCSO and the county (which always ends up paying for his misdeeds) are responsible for muddying the water as it regards the posses by allowing them to act like they have something official to do with his office.

    Zullo’s got a lot of questions to answer and once that starts, once the details of his scam see the light of day I suspect things will get real ugly for him.

    And, of course, the moment it serves his purpose Arpaio will throw Zullo under his big bus.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/04/06/20110406sheriff-joe-arpaio-bus-purchase.html

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    Dave B. April 17, 2014 at 1:55 pm #

    Well, that’s all well and good but what I want to see is somebody coming down on Zullups like the hand of God over its attempts, ludicrous as they may be, to intimidate people with some mumbo-jumbo about investigating Obots and persons of interest.

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    CarlOrcas April 17, 2014 at 2:34 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Since so many birthers have all of their eggs in the Zullo CCP basket, I gotta wonder what the end result would be, if that “ace in the hole” is suddenly taken away.
    Oh, and they lost ANOTHER ally. They’re bellyaching about it in the latest br poopies.

    Nothing official will move fast enough to make the Zullo basket disappear soon. More likely, i think, is that it will just fade away…..kinda like people in those snapshots in Back to the Future.

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    Arthur April 17, 2014 at 2:58 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Since so many birthers have all of their eggs in the Zullo CCP basket, I gotta wonder what the end result would be, if that “ace in the hole” is suddenly taken away.

    I imagine that it would be back to Vattel.

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    JPotter April 17, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

    Truly, birferism corrupts all that it touches. The Stupid is corrosive!

    Again and again, imaginary fears drive those they infect to make them real.

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    Norbrook April 17, 2014 at 5:57 pm #

    I’m gathering the basis may be somewhat similar to what exists in NY. If a “private, non-profit corporation” is receiving governmental funding in any way, it’s subject to a state audit. There’s a story in the local paper from last week about the state comptroller’s audit one of the volunteer fire companies (which falls under that category). No missing funds, or misspent funds, but the books were a real mess, and they got raked over pretty hard about that. Given that the posses are receiving public funding (gasoline), low-cost cars, and acting on occasion “under the color of the authority of the sheriff,” it’s not a stretch that they’d be subject to a state audit.

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    Curious George April 17, 2014 at 7:03 pm #

    Joe Mannix over at BR…talking about the future release of CCP evidence…

    “This nation is about to be in for a shock not seen since Yellowstone’s last eruption 640,000 years ago.”

    Well on the evidence scale, we’ve now seen it downgraded from Universe Shattering to a simple volcanic eruption. Pretty soon it will only be a falling tree in the forest, with no one around to hear it fall.

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    Crustacean April 17, 2014 at 7:33 pm #

    I’ve seen sets of books that would make a billy goat puke, and one of the most commonly screwed-up things is automobile expense reporting. I’d be amazed if the CCP has anything even resembling what a balance sheet is supposed to look like. It would be a miracle if their accountings for automobiles are anything close to correct.

    Norbrook: No missing funds, or misspent funds, but the [volunteer fire dept’s] books were a real mess, and they got raked over pretty hard about that. Given that the posses are receiving public funding (gasoline), low-cost cars, and acting on occasion “under the color of the authority of the sheriff,” it’s not a stretch that they’d be subject to a state audit.

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    Notorial Dissent April 17, 2014 at 10:29 pm #

    I think we’re looking more in the realm of gnat fart at this point!!!

    Curious George:
    Joe Mannix over at BR…talking about the future release of CCP evidence…

    “This nation is about to be in for a shock not seen since Yellowstone’s last eruption 640,000 years ago.”

    Well on the evidence scale, we’ve now seen it downgraded from Universe Shattering to a simple volcanic eruption.Pretty soon it will only be a falling tree in the forest, with no one around to hear it fall.

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    The European April 18, 2014 at 2:39 am #

    Curious George:
    Joe Mannix over at BR…talking about the future release of CCP evidence…

    “This nation is about to be in for a shock not seen since Yellowstone’s last eruption 640,000 years ago.”

    Well on the evidence scale, we’ve now seen it downgraded from Universe Shattering to a simple volcanic eruption.Pretty soon it will only be a falling tree in the forest, with no one around to hear it fall.

    More like a sack o´rice turning over somewhere in China ….

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    ArthurWankspittle April 18, 2014 at 3:03 am #

    Crustacean:
    I’ve seen sets of books that would make a billy goat puke, and one of the most commonly screwed-up things is automobile expense reporting.I’d be amazed if the CCP has anything even resembling what a balance sheet is supposed to look like.It would be a miracle if their accountings for automobiles are anything close to correct.

    It would interesting to compare auto accounting figures with the 40-60 hours or 24/7 that Zullo claims to work.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 18, 2014 at 9:04 am #

    Crustacean:
    I’ve seen sets of books that would make a billy goat puke…

    But enough about The Twilight Saga.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 18, 2014 at 9:23 am #

    Were they photoshopped?

    Crustacean: I’ve seen sets of books that would make a billy goat puke

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 18, 2014 at 9:26 am #

    My father ran a store in a small town. His “books” consisted of check stubs and a box full of receipts. At the end of the year Mom would go through the pile and fill out the taxes. He only had one checking account for the family and the business.

    One year he got audited by the IRS and they told him that he needed a 2nd checking account.

    Crustacean: I’ve seen sets of books that would make a billy goat puke