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Vladimir Putin: a birther?

So according to “Bob in Louisiana” via Birther Report:

It’s like this; The people in the United States don’t know what’s going on in the rest of the world. The media in America has been in a blackout for 5 years. And, Putin knows that Obama is not eligible to be president. So, that’s why Putin’s got Obama over a barrel.

The big news (for the birthers) is that Bob said this on the C-SPAN call-in show, Washington Journal. They think that there is this media blackout and it’s finally cracking–a sign of the Universe shattering?

Orly Taitz seems to prefer Putin, writing [link to Taitz web site]:

Putin Doesn’t Threaten Our National Security, Obama Does

Birthers seem to like Putin more than Obama, primarily because Putin is not Obama.

58 Responses to Vladimir Putin: a birther?

  1. avatar
    Curious George April 7, 2014 at 2:48 am #

    Bravo Bob. You’ve broken through the MSM blackout. So what’s changed? The birds are still a sing’n and the sun is still a ris’n in the east and the world is still a spin’n and most importantly, the universe is still intact.
    (Burma Shave)

    Bravo Bob! Bravo!

  2. avatar
    Thinker April 7, 2014 at 3:03 am #

    I recall Taitz has written that Putin might be blackmailing Obama because Putin has secret information about Harry Bounel, who, if he had been a real person, would have been from Russia.

  3. avatar
    RanTalbott April 7, 2014 at 3:08 am #

    They also like Pravda, because it carries birfer stories that the “Lamestream Media” won’t touch.

    Interesting bit of irony in the nickname “C-SPAN Bob”. Any relation to “Baghdad Bob”? Certainly some of the posted comments are reminiscent…

  4. avatar
    aarrgghh April 7, 2014 at 3:35 am #

    white skin blond hair
    blue eyes a plus
    can’t wait til vlad
    annexes us
    burma shave

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 7, 2014 at 4:37 am #

    Birthers seem to like Putin more than Obama, primarily because Putin is not Obama.

    And because they, like most RWNJ’s, desire a strong (read: near-dictatorial) leader who shares their hatred for the gays and their desire to simply plunder weaker countries (like Trump who openly said the US should’ve taken Iraq’s oil).

  6. avatar
    impartial observer April 7, 2014 at 5:29 am #

    You tend to generalize about the birthers and it makes you seem intellectually sloppy and not serious.

  7. avatar
    Pastor Charmley April 7, 2014 at 5:36 am #

    It strikes me as deeply ironic that folk who work themselves up over vague allegations that Obama is a tyrant, and who indulge in fantasies about Obama making himself a dictator (fantasies that resemble almost exactly those indulged in about Bush before 2008) should be so enthusiastic about an ex-KGB thug who, when not allowed to continue in the Presidency, ruled through a puppet until he could legally reclaim the Presidency.

  8. avatar
    Lupin April 7, 2014 at 8:34 am #

    Pastor Charmley: It strikes me as deeply ironic that folk who work themselves up over vague allegations that Obama is a tyrant, and who indulge in fantasies about Obama making himself a dictator (fantasies that resemble almost exactly those indulged in about Bush before 2008) should be so enthusiastic about an ex-KGB thug who, when not allowed to continue in the Presidency, ruled through a puppet until he could legally reclaim the Presidency.

    I bet they like gladiator movies too.

  9. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 7, 2014 at 8:43 am #

    I hope you find someplace else that meets your high standards for specificity.

    impartial observer: You tend to generalize about the birthers and it makes you seem intellectually sloppy and not serious.

  10. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 7, 2014 at 9:19 am #

    impartial observer:

    (some agenda-betraying argle-bargle)

    What is it with these Birfers and their comically ironic names?

  11. avatar
    American Mzungu April 7, 2014 at 9:34 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I hope you find someplace else that meets your high standards for specificity.

    There is always the Sonoran News.

  12. avatar
    Bob April 7, 2014 at 10:17 am #

    impartial observer:
    You tend to generalize about the birthers and it makes you seem intellectually sloppy and not serious.

    Isn’t that an “Alinsky tactic?” Why else would anyone lump eyewitness-to-history-Nancy Ruth Owen-types in with a simple-Patriot-just-asking-questions-★FALCON★-types in with intellectual-scholar-Apuzzo-types?

    Yes, the gamut of Birthers runs all the way from A to B.

  13. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 7, 2014 at 10:25 am #

    I KNEW “Impartial” sounded familiar; Doc banned him.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/06/sc-congressman-puts-national-security-at-risk/#comment-273055

  14. avatar
    Arthur April 7, 2014 at 10:46 am #

    impartial observer:
    You tend to generalize about the birthers and it makes you seem intellectually sloppy and not serious.

    Sometimes it’s valuable to generalize because you get the big picture about a topic. For example, after five years of reading articles and comments by birthers, I’ve found that, in general, birthers refuse to accept President Obama’s eligibility not because they are uneducated or uninformed, but because they are denialists. Denialism, which Princeton anthropologist Didier Fassin describes as an irrational response, often ideologically based, to something that can be objectively identified as being true, e.g., Obama is a natural-born citizen born in Hawaii to an American mother and an African father. In his recent book, “Denialism: How Irrational Thinking Hinders Scientific Progress, Harms the Planet, and Threatens Our Lives,” author and journalist Michael Specter explains that denialism can exist when “a section of society, often struggling with the trauma of change, turns away from reality in favor of a more comfortable lie.” That, I think, is an accurate generalization about the birther mentality that is neither sloppy nor unserious.

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 7, 2014 at 10:53 am #

    Could be. IP addresses on different coasts though.

    Bonsall Obot: I KNEW “Impartial” sounded familiar; Doc banned him.

  16. avatar
    American Mzungu April 7, 2014 at 11:14 am #

    impartial observer: You tend to generalize about the birthers

    Please tell us how you don’t fit into the generalizations that Doc presented.

    1. Do you disagree that there is a media blackout?

    2. Do you think the media blackout is not cracking?

    3. Do you like Putin more than Obama?

    4. If so, is it because Putin is not Obama.?

    Please be specific. Please address every question in full.

    To give us a better idea where you are coming from, please also answer the following questions.

    5. How long have you been reading Doc C’s site?

    6. Have you posted here under different names?

    7. If so, what names have you used?

    8. Why did you chose to call yourself “impartial observer”?

    9. What do you think qualifies you as an impartial observer?

    Please be specific. Thank you.

  17. avatar
    CarlOrcas April 7, 2014 at 11:36 am #

    Pastor Charmley: It strikes me as deeply ironic that folk who work themselves up over vague allegations that Obama is a tyrant, and who indulge in fantasies about Obama making himself a dictator (fantasies that resemble almost exactly those indulged in about Bush before 2008) should be so enthusiastic about an ex-KGB thug who, when not allowed to continue in the Presidency, ruled through a puppet until he could legally reclaim the Presidency.

    When I see one of them commenting about how Putin is a strong leader and Obama is just a sissy I have visions of Peter Sellers in character as Dr. Strangelove…..unable to control his right arm.

  18. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 7, 2014 at 11:39 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Could be. IP addresses on different coasts though.

    People move sometimes, especially if they’re hiding from The Regime.

  19. avatar
    sfjeff April 7, 2014 at 12:10 pm #

    I continue to be bemused by the admiration of some of the Right for Putin.

    He is everything that they proclaim that Obama is conspiring to be- except of course he is white.

  20. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 7, 2014 at 12:13 pm #

    sfjeff:

    He is everything that they proclaim that Obama is conspiring to be- except of course he is white.

    And he hates all the correct people. This is not to be ignored.

  21. avatar
    Joey April 7, 2014 at 12:32 pm #

    impartial observer:
    You tend to generalize about the birthers and it makes you seem intellectually sloppy and not serious.

    I think that it IS possible to generalize about those people who are supporting an issue that has lost in courts of law in just about every state in the nation 335 times in a row.

    That’s 220 consecutive original jurisdiction losses, 95 state and federal appellate court losses and 20 denials at the U.S. Supreme Court. It is the Birthers who chose the judiciary as the forum to pursue their “petitions for redress of grievances” and for six years they have done nothing but lose.

    One conservative federal judge appointed by George W. Bush put it succinctly: Rhodes v. MacDonald, U.S. District Court Judge Clay D. Land: “A spurious claim questioning the president’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia, September 16, 2009.

    Judge Land then sanctioned Birther attorney Orly Taitz $20,000 for wasting his time with nonsense and the Supreme Court of the United States refused to issue an injunction to stop the sanction.

  22. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 7, 2014 at 2:05 pm #

    The notion of those who regard Lucas Smith and Mara Zebest as “experts,” who call Mike Zullo an “investigator,” and create unsupportable legal theories out of whole cloth, referring to anyone as “intellectually sloppy and not serious” is simultaneously sad, hilarious and frightening.

  23. avatar
    Arthur April 7, 2014 at 3:07 pm #

    This birther blather claiming Putin knows that Obama is not a natural-born citizen, reminds me of similarly ridiculous claims that the Russians detained Obama because he was a British spy.

    Back in 2005, when Obama was still a senator, the plane that he and Senator Richard Lugar (R) were traveling on, was, for several hours, prevented from leaving the city of Perm. Obama and Lugar had been touring storage sites where nuclear warheads were stored prior to destruction. At the time, Fox news reported that Russian officials did not disclose the nature of the dispute that lead to the plane being detained. Shortly after the event, USA Today revealed that an official with “the border control service at Perm’s Bolshoye Savino airport, accused the senators of refusing to follow border guards’ orders” and that was the reason for the delay.

    Obama calumnists disinterred this story in 2011 and reanimated it with a smear that claimed Russians placed “Obama in custody under suspicion of being a British operative illegally spying in Russia at off-limits secret facilities.”
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2709950/posts

    This b.s. continues to get recycled at B.R.

  24. avatar
    BillTheCat April 7, 2014 at 3:40 pm #

    impartial observer:
    You tend to generalize about the birthers and it makes you seem intellectually sloppy and not serious.

    Apparently, you’re new here. Do some reading then get back to us. Otherwise your comments seem intellectually sloppy and not serious.

  25. avatar
    bgansel9 April 7, 2014 at 5:49 pm #

    Birthers seem to like Putin more than Obama, primarily because Putin is not Obama.

    Then they should move there.

  26. avatar
    Suranis April 7, 2014 at 5:56 pm #

    Yeah But Obama is a communist. You see. And Putin was a strong patriot of the USmuttermutter.

  27. avatar
    Keith April 7, 2014 at 7:22 pm #

    American Mzungu: Please tell us how you don’t fit into the generalizations that Doc presented.

    1. Do you…

    Is this like one of those ‘religious tests’ that religious groups give to office candidates before they are deemed worthy? Cool.

  28. avatar
    Keith April 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Dr. Conspiracy:
    Could be. IP addresses on different coasts though.

    People move sometimes, especially if they’re hiding from The Regime.

    And they sometimes use IP address obfuscators to dodge the banning scripts.

  29. avatar
    Seamus April 7, 2014 at 7:34 pm #

    Don’t forget the original birther, HillRy Clinton, the first media birther Chris Matthews.

  30. avatar
    American Mzungu April 7, 2014 at 7:44 pm #

    Keith: Is this like one of those ‘religious tests’ that religious groups give to office candidates before they are deemed worthy?

    We have to do SOMETHING to raise the quality of drive-by birthers on this site.

    I have no idea what to do about Seamus.

  31. avatar
    roadburner April 7, 2014 at 8:13 pm #

    American Mzungu: We have to do SOMETHING to raise the quality of drive-by birthers on this site.

    I have no idea what to do about Seamus.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddN6WHBmBmI

  32. avatar
    Joey April 7, 2014 at 8:15 pm #

    Seamus:
    Don’t forget the original birther, HillRy Clinton, the first media birther Chris Matthews.

    Seamus will buy each and every myth that the Birther Cult puts out.

    The first birther was a Republican named Fred Hollander. Fred filed suit in federal court against John McCain and the Republican National Committee after McCain won the New Hampshire Primary. Mr. Hollander is a conservative New Hampshire Republican and he was none too pleased that a moderate like McCain won the nation’s first primary so he sued, claiming that Mc Cain was not a natural born citizen due to his birth in Panama. The exhibits even included a forged Panama birth certificate for McCain.
    Hollander’s lawsuit was five months before Hillary Clinton supporter Phil Berg filed the first birther suit against Barack Obama.
    McCain’s and Republican Party’s attorneys got Hollander’s lawsuit dismissed on grounds of lack of standing to bring suit.
    (March, 2008) Hollander v Mccain: http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/hollanderv.mccain.php
    (August, 2008) Berg v. Obama:
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573

  33. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 7, 2014 at 8:54 pm #

    Joey:

    …Hillary Clinton supporter Phil Berg filed the first birther suit against Barack Obama…

    So you admit that, through the Transitive Property of Birfering, Hillary Clinton is Phil Berg?

  34. avatar
    Thinker April 7, 2014 at 9:30 pm #

    One of the defining characteristics of birthers is that they ignore evidence and logic and believe what they want to believe even if the evidence does not support it. A single birthery comments 7 years ago does not make a person a birther. Matthews was wrong. He figured it out and got his facts straight. He is most certainly not now, nor was he ever, a birther.

    Seamus: the first media birther Chris Matthews.

  35. avatar
    Benji Franklin April 7, 2014 at 9:32 pm #

    American Mzungu: We have to do SOMETHING to raise the quality of drive-by birthers on this site.

    I have no idea what to do about Seamus.

    I know of no other situation in real life, where a group of sane people like the anti-Birthers, tolerate and (generally) patiently and civilly respond to the same already debunked premises over and over again the way we have done here for going on 6 years.

    While their is room for SOME degree of reasonable speculative disagreement about certain aspects of the Birther standard list of conclusary allegations against Obama, I think it’s about time for Doc to publish a list of one sentence declarations about certain popular discussion polluting Birther mantras, and simply redact them from Troll postings or refuse to publish comments that try to reintroduce these long-disproved or astronomically unlikely obstacles to a meaningful further conversation about Obama’s eligibility.

    A few examples would be:
    1)Obama spent millions to seal his records and created self-serving presidential order secrecy laws
    2)Pakistan travel ban
    3)Courts haven’t found FOR Obama’s eligibility “on the merits”
    4)He lost his US citizenship as a foreign student when his parents enrolled him in a grade school in another country
    5)Hypothetically, a statute forbidding government employment by someone who breaks some law, supersedes the Constitution’s list of Presidential eligibility requirements.

    And so forth.

    I think discussions here would proceed much more rationally were this the policy. But maybe it would be tiresome to do for Doc, and he does a lot selflessly for all of us already. Just an idea.

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 7, 2014 at 9:36 pm #

    Hillary Clinton is not now, nor has she ever been a birther.

    Seamus: Don’t forget the original birther, HillRy Clinton, t

  37. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 7, 2014 at 9:38 pm #

    Wouldn’t it just be simpler to ignore them?

    Yeah, I know that doesn’t work, but you know what they say about power corrupting.

    Benji Franklin: I think discussions here would proceed much more rationally were this the policy. But maybe it would be tiresome to do for Doc, and he does a lot selflessly for all of us already. Just an idea.

  38. avatar
    Benji Franklin April 7, 2014 at 10:40 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Yeah, I know that doesn’t work, but you know what they say about power corrupting.

    Absolutely! Or in the case of the Internet Birther Donation Banditos , abso LOOT lee!

    Imagine the degree of corruption Mike Zoo Low contemplates now that he thinks he has the power to shatter the Universe.

  39. avatar
    Dave April 7, 2014 at 10:51 pm #

    It is likely that the original rumors that Obama was not born in the US were spread by Clinton supporters. That would be about as close as Clinton ever got to this.

    However, those people stopped pushing that rumor when Obama released his birth certificate in June 2008. So I don’t know if you can really call them birthers. To really be a birther, you need to keep pushing it after the theory is obviously wrong.

  40. avatar
    justlw April 7, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

    I firmly believe that the amount that Clinton supporters (other than Berg, of course) pushed this at all has been seriously overstated. “Clinton supporters did it first” is a meme that itself was pushed hard by the Washington Times’ magazine Insight on the News. Basically, they were trying to give themselves cover for their ongoing rumor campaign that Obama was a sekrit Mooslem.

    The milder form of this meme was that this was the disaffected “PUMA” faction at work — a group that turned out to be much tinier and more ineffectual than touted by the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

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    Joey April 7, 2014 at 11:01 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: So you admit that, through the Transitive Property of Birfering, Hillary Clinton is Phil Berg?

    Exactly! :-) if Michelle Obama is a man to Birthers then Hillary Clinton is really Phil Berg be it transitive or intransitive.

  42. avatar
    RanTalbott April 7, 2014 at 11:28 pm #

    Benji Franklin: I think it’s about time for Doc to publish a list of one sentence declarations about certain popular discussion polluting Birther mantras

    You really only need one:

    That’s a load of hooey that was debunked ___ years ago.

    Another approach would be to highlight one word on each of the webpages in the Debunker’s Guide, and have a script that automatically posts the URL as a reply, then changes the clown’s password to that word.

    For second and subsequent offenses, you add a puzzle: reverse the word, invert the case, etc., until you get to, say, “It’s an anagram of the Luo translation”.

  43. avatar
    Whatever4 April 8, 2014 at 1:39 am #

    roadburner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddN6WHBmBmI

    Maybe take him off the roof of the car. I think the wind is dehydrating him something fierce.

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    Whatever4 April 8, 2014 at 1:46 am #

    Dave:
    It is likely that the original rumors that Obama was not born in the US were spread by Clinton supporters. That would be about as close as Clinton ever got to this.

    However, those people stopped pushing that rumor when Obama released his birth certificate in June 2008. So I don’t know if you can really call them birthers. To really be a birther, you need to keep pushing it after the theory is obviously wrong.

    Loren sussed out the Ur-Birther in his excellent 2-part series The Secret Origin of the Birthers. http://birthofanotion.com/home/the-secret-origin-of-the-birthers

  45. avatar
    BillTheCat April 8, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

    Seamus:
    Don’t forget the original birther, HillRy Clinton, the first media birther Chris Matthews.

    Oh yeh, and remember the dem’s started the KKK? Irrelevant non-factual history is fun!

  46. avatar
    Thomas Brown April 8, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Seamus:
    Don’t forget the original birther, HillRy Clinton, the first media birther Chris Matthews.

    You’re not fooling anyone Seamus; your real name is Jim Bob.

  47. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 8, 2014 at 5:40 pm #

    Seamus<:

    HillRy Clinton

    I’m sure I’ll regret asking…

    I know they have their Keyboard Kommando Kode that lets them know they’re among friends, but what’s the significance (if any) of this particular misspelling?

  48. avatar
    justlw April 8, 2014 at 5:44 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: HillRy Clinton

    I’m sure I’ll regret asking…

    I know they have their Keyboard Kommando Kode that lets them know they’re among friends, but what’s the significance (if any) of this particular misspelling?

    The “R” is for BENGHAZI.

  49. avatar
    Reality Check April 8, 2014 at 5:49 pm #

    If you want to see this characteristic displayed in all its glory check out any of Hermitian’s (Henry Blake) hundreds of posts on this article at my blog:

    New Xerox 7655 files with 1652 x 1276 JPG background images

    He has brought in so many straw man arguments that I am afraid my blog would be rated a Class A fire hazard

    Thinker: One of the defining characteristics of birthers is that they ignore evidence and logic and believe what they want to believe even if the evidence does not support it.

  50. avatar
    Rickey April 8, 2014 at 10:07 pm #

    Seamus:
    Don’t forget the original birther, HillRy Clinton, the first media birther Chris Matthews.

    You birthers are so gullible.

    Chris Matthews was never a birther. That particular birther lie is a mischaracterization of comments Matthews made on his show on 12/18/07. Here is what he actually said:

    Here is Hillary Clinton defending him and Bob Kerrey: “I think the remarks were very positive. I know Bob. He was being very complimentary of Senator Obama. He was making a point that Senator Obama makes himself all the time, that, because of his upbringing and his heritage, he is, in his view”—“in his view”—catch that line—“very well-suited to communicate with the rest of the world. And he has just himself that he wants to have a particular outreach to the Islamic world. So, I think Senator Kerrey was being, you know, very generous in what he said.”

    But didn‘t Hillary dump on Obama a few days ago for playing up his Indonesian roots? So, what is she up to here? Is she pushing how great he is for having been born in Indonesia, or what, or simply reminding everybody about his background, his Islamic background?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22326842/ns/msnbc-hardball_with_chris_matthews/t/hardball-chris-matthews-dec/#.U0SoiVewXPs

    He obviously meant that to say “for having been raised in Indonesia,” because he was paraphrasing Hillary Clinton and she has never suggested that Obama was born in Indonesia.

  51. avatar
    GLaB April 8, 2014 at 10:51 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: I’m sure I’ll regret asking…

    I know they have their Keyboard Kommando Kode that lets them know they’re among friends, but what’s the significance (if any) of this particular misspelling?

    I’ll take a stab at it – Seamus is a Ron Paul fan; an ongoing meme of theirs is that there is no real difference between mainstream Rs and Ds, and HRC is just another RINO (DINO?).

  52. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 8, 2014 at 10:59 pm #

    GLaB: I’ll take a stab at it – Seamus is a Ron Paul fan;an ongoing meme of theirs is that there is no real difference between mainstream Rs and Ds, and HRC is just another RINO (DINO?).

    Sounds stupid enough to be true.

  53. avatar
    GLaB April 8, 2014 at 11:08 pm #

    And not just Ron Paul fans anymore:

    Maybe time to start printing the “Clinton/Bush 2016″ bumperstickers. #amnesty #CommonCore #ChinaTrade #NSA #bipartisan


    Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) April 07, 2014

  54. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 8, 2014 at 11:25 pm #

    Ingraham may not be a Paulista, but she gives them a run for their money in the bile department.

  55. avatar
    The Magic M April 9, 2014 at 5:08 am #

    Bonsall Obot: I know they have their Keyboard Kommando Kode that lets them know they’re among friends, but what’s the significance (if any) of this particular misspelling?

    Couldn’t find any. I suppose Seamus wrote on an iPhone and hit “Shift” when he meant to hit “a”. So “ar” => “Shift r” => “R”.

  56. avatar
    Majority Will April 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: I’m sure I’ll regret asking…

    I know they have their Keyboard Kommando Kode that lets them know they’re among friends, but what’s the significance (if any) of this particular misspelling?

    Vicodin, Gin and Inbreeding.

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    justlw April 10, 2014 at 11:42 pm #

    Majority Will: Vicodin, Gin and Inbreeding.

    My second-favorite Pogues album.

  58. avatar
    justlw April 10, 2014 at 11:55 pm #

    I’m thinking “Hill-R-y” is what he was aiming for. Elucidative punctuation is not the hallmark of this crowd, as they’re generally still struggling with the basics.