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Birther sues to deport children

I need wonder no longer when Orly Taitz is going to sue the federal government over the tens of thousands of unaccompanied children who crossed the US border and have been apprehended by immigration officials.

Taitz has been actively blogging on immigration topics for some time, including this title:

None of the individuals who crossed the US border in the last year or earlier from Mexico or Central America qualify as refugees or asylees. Asylum is given only to people who are persecuted due to their religion, race, ethnicity or political opposition. As such, all of them should be deported immediately

and

Please, not, only people, who are outside the U.S., can ask for a refugee status. If they are already in the U.s., they do not qualify as refugee

Taitz might want to review the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008. While that Act is a little more dense than I want to dig into, press reports indicate that the law requires a hearing before a child from a non-contiguous country can be deported, for example Carl Hulse of The New York Times wrote:

Originally pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone who were not from Mexico or Canada by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin.

Taitz wants them summarily loaded onto boxcars cargo planes and shipped back to their country of origin. She filed a federal lawsuit in Texas, Taitz v. Johnson [Draft of complaint filed], to prevent transportation of detained children from Texas to California citing:

[a] serious threat to public health, spread of infectious diseases, national security threat, crime threat and economic damages

Further Taitz demands that the these persons be immediately deported, or placed in quarantine in a FEMA facility.

One would think that Taitz lacks standing to bring such a lawsuit and that the case will be dismissed on that ground.

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36 Responses to Birther sues to deport children

  1. avatar
    Greenfinches July 15, 2014 at 10:28 am #

    Charming lady, isn’t she….Orly may not like it, but due to proper medical systems in place, most if not all of these children will be better protected against disease than many Americans with their anti-vaccination lobby…Oh my socialised medicine, the horror of it!!

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    roadburner July 15, 2014 at 10:42 am #

    the rallying cry of the RWNJ´s lately seems to be the fear of those children carrying `infectious diseases´ into the u.s.

    they normally mention treatment resistant TB (already a problem and rife in areas of homeless and in cheap overcrowded housing for the poor) , scabies (not a disease, but a common parasitic infection already in the u.s.) leprosy (despite the WHO saying worldwide there are only about 180,000 cases and that´s dropping), and smallpox (which i thought was still innoculated against…oh well)

    ah well, suppose they need something new to blame the president for.

  3. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 15, 2014 at 11:17 am #

    Routine smallpox vaccinations in the US ended in 1972.

    “The last naturally occurring case of smallpox (Variola minor) was diagnosed on 26 October 1977″ … After vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in 1979 — Wikipedia.

    WorldNetDaily (Free Republic, InfoWars) reported a Smallpox outbreak in Pakistan in 2002, but that turned out to be chicken pox.

    roadburner: and smallpox (which i thought was still innoculated against…oh well)

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    The Magic M July 15, 2014 at 11:23 am #

    roadburner: the rallying cry of the RWNJ´s lately seems to be the fear of those children carrying `infectious diseases´ into the u.s.

    Hasn’t that been *the* traditional claim of any xenophobe for centuries now?

    Probably because it’s the only argument that makes even the most ardent self-proclaimed Christian forget everything about compassion especially with regard to children.

    And the infamy is that this argument tries to portrait children as a danger worse than terrorism, as equivalent to a biological weapon.

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    bovril July 15, 2014 at 11:32 am #

    A particular gem at the beginning

    “A group of billionaires lead by George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg have been major donors and benefactors of Barack Obama’s (Herein Obama’s) campaign for the U.S. President. In exchange for their de facto underwriting of Obama’s campaign, large donors are seeking actions by Obama in bringing cheap and obedient labor to the U.S. in order to increase profits.”

    Soooooooo, children from the very poor, ill educated south of America are in point of fact skilled financiers and can cut code like the most L33T of hackers….Whoda thunk it…….

    Not to mention I would love MOO try to explain how it’s OK for the Koch brothers and their ilk to donate vast sums of dosh to the Frighties but is somehow a legal matter if such a think may or may not have occurred with the Democratic party……?

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    Bob July 15, 2014 at 11:36 am #

    Does that orlytaitzthing believe that the US government has no guidelines or procedures or laws already in place to deal with the possibility of refugees? Does it think that the US can invade and occupy two countries half-way around the world for over a decade but can’t handle some refugees asking for help at the border? The US is not that fragile.

    It thinks it can make the government spend millions of dollars to follow it’s plan by threatening a lawsuit. Why doesn’t everyone just sue the government to get what they want?

    Do what other people do orlytaitzthing, write a letter to your Congressperson with your concerns.

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    Lupin July 15, 2014 at 11:48 am #

    bovril:
    A particular gem at the beginning

    “A group of billionaires lead by George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg have been major donors and benefactors of Barack Obama’s (Herein Obama’s) campaign for the U.S. President. In exchange for their de facto underwriting of Obama’s campaign, large donors are seeking actions by Obama in bringing cheap and obedient labor to the U.S. in order to increase profits.”

    Soooooooo, children from the very poor, ill educated south of America are in point of fact skilled financiers and can cut code like the most L33T of hackers….Whoda thunk it…….

    Not to mention I would love MOO try to explain how it’s OK for the Koch brothers and their ilk to donate vast sums of dosh to the Frighties but is somehow a legal matter if such a think may or may not have occurred with the Democratic party……?

    It’s that magic Schrodinger superposition again:

    On the one hand iron-fisted Muslim Commienazi Obama is importing tiny brown workers/voters/troopers to usher in the Thousand-Year NWO;

    On the other hand, limp-wristed ineffectual gay failure Obama is incapable of doing anything about the scary invasion of bug-infested invaders.

    I honestly don’t know how their brains don’t freeze into place like Changeling’s in STAR TREK TOS.

  8. avatar
    Krosis July 15, 2014 at 11:51 am #

    We now have Orly 2.0 – now with more anti-immigration – on our hands!

  9. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 15, 2014 at 12:20 pm #

    Orly, coordinate!

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    JPotter July 15, 2014 at 12:21 pm #

    roadburner: the rallying cry of the RWNJ´s lately seems to be the fear of those children carrying `infectious diseases´ into the u.s.

    Those people are dirty, doncha know.

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    donna July 15, 2014 at 12:59 pm #

    Pope Francis:

    I would also like to draw attention to the tens of thousands of children who migrate alone, unaccompanied, to escape poverty and violence: this is a category of migrants from Central America and Mexico itself who cross the border with the United States under extreme conditions and in pursuit of a hope that in most cases turns out to be vain. They are increasing day by day.

    This humanitarian emergency requires, as a first urgent measure, these children be welcomed and protected. These measures, however, will not be sufficient, unless they are accompanied by policies that inform people about the dangers of such a journey and, above all, that promote development in their countries of origin. Finally, this challenge demands the attention of the entire international community so that new forms of legal and secure migration may be adopted.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22004&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories%20%28Catholic%20World%20News%20%28on%20CatholicCulture.org%29%29

    GOP Congressman Who Warned About Unvaccinated Migrants Opposed Vaccination

    Gingrey’s misdiagnoses aren’t confined to Ebola. As the Texas Observer points out, when it comes to measles, children in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras are more likely to be vaccinated than children in the United States. None of those countries have recorded an outbreak of measles in 24 years. Kids in Marin County, CA are more at risk.

    Gingrey has long-standing ties to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a far-right medical group that opposes all mandatory vaccines.

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/07/phil-gingrey-migrant-ebola-vaccines

  12. avatar
    Rickey July 15, 2014 at 2:28 pm #

    Taitz has advocated loading the children onto military transport planes and flying them to Roatan. Of course, she never bothered to check or she would have learned that the runway at Roatan is not long enough to accommodate either landings or takeoffs of such planes.

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    Thinker July 15, 2014 at 2:42 pm #

    I recall about 7 decades ago there was a lot of talk about a dangerous, diseased group of people who would destroy Germany and the countries it invaded if the people weren’t deported. If Taitz weren’t Jewish, she would have been a superb Nazi.

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    Dave July 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm #

    Earlier the “billionaires” Taitz was all upset about were Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. She had at least two posts on this subject. I pointed out on one of the open threads that there was something odd about this, because Gates, Buffet, and Sheldon Adelson had signed a NYT op-ed favoring immigration reform — but Taitz made no mention of Adelson.

    Now in this complaint, the billionaires she wants to talk about are Soros and Zuckerberg. I can’t find any mention of Gates or Buffet, and of course still no mention of Adelson. And back in reality, I can’t find any examples of Soros having anything to do with immigration reform — but of course he’s the perennial boogeyman of wingnuts.

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    Keith July 15, 2014 at 4:28 pm #

    Rickey:
    Taitz has advocated loading the children onto military transport planes and flying them to Roatan. Of course, she never bothered to check or she would have learned that the runway at Roatan is not long enough to accommodate either landings or takeoffs of such planes.

    Why land?

    Just strap a parachute on their back and shove ‘em out the door.

    When they land, they can use the ‘chute to make a tent to live in.

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 15, 2014 at 4:43 pm #

    Certainly a more negative article could have been written: Taitz’ “Final Solution” about the plane that couldn’t land. I settled for the allusion to boxcars.

    Thinker:
    I recall about 7 decades ago there was a lot of talk about a dangerous, diseased group of people who would destroy Germany and the countries it invaded if the people weren’t deported. If Taitz weren’t Jewish, she would have been a superb Nazi.

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    donna July 15, 2014 at 5:09 pm #

    AND Adelson is JEWISH – he once said he UNFORTUNATELY wore the american uniform:

    “I am not Israeli. The uniform that I wore in the military, unfortunately, was not an Israeli uniform. It was an American uniform, although my wife was in the IDF and one of my daughters was in the IDF … our two little boys, one of whom will be bar mitzvahed tomorrow, hopefully he’ll come back– his hobby is shooting – and he’ll come back and be a sniper for the IDF,” Adelson said at the event.

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/billionaire-gingrich-backer-adelson-regrets-he-served-us-instead-israeli-military

  18. avatar
    bob July 15, 2014 at 7:08 pm #

    To state the obvious: Taitz lacks standing; it’ll be (eventually) dismissed.

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    Tomtech July 15, 2014 at 7:19 pm #

    bob:
    To state the obvious: Taitz lacks standing; it’ll be (eventually) dismissed.

    So true! But I’d love to see Orly try and prove the facts alleged in the complaint.

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    Dave July 15, 2014 at 7:28 pm #

    I suspect Adelson backing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants is one of those cognitive dissonance events that Taitz has no idea how to process, so she’s ignoring it. Adelson has occasionally been mentioned on her blog, either in glowing terms, or peevishly wishing he would fund her lunacy.

    It is not hard to see why Taitz would like Adelson so much. He is not just extremely pro-Israel, as Donna points out. He is extremely pro-right wing extremist politics in Israel, and he’s just as bigoted as Taitz when it comes to Muslims. He is doing the Murdoch thing in Israel, buying up newspapers so he can have them print a version of the news that helps keep the right-wingers in power.

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    Rickey July 15, 2014 at 8:18 pm #

    bob:
    To state the obvious: Taitz lacks standing; it’ll be (eventually) dismissed.

    Yes. She has nothing more than the same generalized grievance that every other person in the United States has (or could have). Still, it is amusing to see her try to make the case that she has a particularized injury.

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    Dave B. July 15, 2014 at 9:30 pm #

    They were no Sunday outing. My father was shipped from Naples to Moosburg in one in 1943; I can’t recall if it was late February or early March. Mighty crowded, unsanitary and just plain unpleasant, and that was a pretty long ride. The most direct route now is about 1200 miles, and I don’t know how the trains were routed then. He mentioned one time that somewhere in Italy he realized he still had a grenade in his overcoat pocket. I don’t remember how he got rid of it.
    I take bus trips of about that length several times a year, and that’s bad enough for me.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Certainly a more negative article could have been written: Taitz’ “Final Solution” about the plane that couldn’t land. I settled for the allusion to boxcars.

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    Dave July 15, 2014 at 9:34 pm #

    On the subject of final solutions, we have a BR comment by “sick of it” that begins:

    “I don’t care of they are kids, they are getting into this country illegally then the ultimate measure should be death to those kids to set a precedent that we will not take care of them and since you are not responsible enough to care for them we will put them to death.”

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Certainly a more negative article could have been written: Taitz’ “Final Solution” about the plane that couldn’t land. I settled for the allusion to boxcars.

  24. avatar
    Dave B. July 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm #

    Kilometers! Doh!

    Dave B.: The most direct route now is about 1200 miles

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    Arthur July 15, 2014 at 9:51 pm #

    Dave B.: They were no Sunday outing. My father was shipped from Naples to Moosburg in one in 1943; I can’t recall if it was late February or early March. Mighty crowded, unsanitary and just plain unpleasant, and that was a pretty long ride.

    Dave,

    My father may have met your father. My dad was a sergeant in the 14th Armored Division, and at the end of April, 1945, they pushed across the Isar River and liberated the prison camp at Moosburg.

  26. avatar
    DSM July 15, 2014 at 11:46 pm #

    And Orly establishes that her ugliness is not just skin deep.

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    Dave B. July 15, 2014 at 11:54 pm #

    He wasn’t at Moosburg for long. He spent most of the rest of the war at Arbeitskommando USA 1, at Trattendorf, til he escaped from there in February 1945. When he was recaptured he was sent to Stalag IIIA at Luckenwalde. The Russians took over the camp on April 27, and then he escaped from them. Prisoners were a valuable commodity at the time, whoever had them. He made his way with another newly freed prisoner to Torgau. The Russians wouldn’t let them cross the bridge, so they found a boat– but no paddles– and crossed the Elbe in it.

    Arthur: Dave,

    My father may have met your father. My dad was a sergeant in the 14th Armored Division, and at the end of April, 1945, they pushed across the Isar River and liberated the prison camp at Moosburg.

  28. avatar
    ZixiOfIx July 16, 2014 at 5:08 am #

    I will give Orly Taitz this: she knows her audience like the back of her hand.
    Here is a Free Republic thread about the sheer audacity of Pope Francis to say that these refuge children must be protected.

    Many of the denizens are birthers. It’s all about race, religion, and how those who are different are diseased, less-than, and unworthy.

    Pope Says Children at U.S. Border Must Be ‘Welcomed and Protected’^

    This, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with the Republican Party. They want to use God to bludgeon voters, but they don’t was to be Christ-like.

    And the king will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.

    Then he will say to those at his left hand, “You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.”

  29. avatar
    John Reilly July 16, 2014 at 9:05 am #

    There is something odd about folks who are pro-life, except when it comes to Hispanic children.

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    JoZeppy July 16, 2014 at 10:45 am #

    Let’s take a look at Orly’s claim for standing:

    “Plaintiff is a health care provider who comes in direct contact with individuals who are affected by multiple infectious diseases, such as Tuberculosis, Scabies, Lice, Measles and so on. Absent quarantine and proper treatment, she is in imminent danger of contracting such diseases.”

    I’m guessing Orly isn’t claiming that she actually has a charitiable bone in her body, and volunteers to to dental work (“heath care provider…that’s rich) for poor refugee hispanic children (which very well could be used as a deterent for illegal immigration), which means her only direct harm is caused by a general threat of the spread of disease…because if she’s catching it from her patients, who aren’t the actual refugees, she is obviously no more likely to contract any of these diseases than the person she caught it from….not what I would call a direct harm.

    “Additionally she claims standing as an American taxpayer. ”

    Any judge or lawyer who sees this phrase knows to read this as, “I have no standing. Please dismiss this case at your earliest convenience.” It’s black letter law that with the exception of government spending on religion, there is no such thing as taxpayer standing.

    And the icing on the cake is she is seeking an injuction on the DACA, which doesn’t even appy here since it only applies to children who have been in the US for 5 years (I’m pretty sure it was 5).

    Don’t really feel compelled to break down the rest of her gibberish…but those were the points that jumped off the page.

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    Andrew Morris July 16, 2014 at 12:08 pm #

    It’s also quite disgusting that an immigrant would be doing this. To say nothing of the fact that the very same things were said not so long ago of her co-religionists when they tried to emigrate to the US.

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 16, 2014 at 12:26 pm #

    “(a) To satisfy the “case or controversy” requirement of Art. III, a plaintiff must show that he has sustained or is immediately in danger of sustaining some direct injury as the result of the challenged official conduct, and the injury or threat of injury must be “real and immediate,” not “conjectural” or “hypothetical.””

    City of Los Angeles v. Lyon (461 U.S. 95)

    JoZeppy: I’m guessing Orly isn’t claiming that she actually has a charitable bone in her body, and volunteers to to dental work (“heath care provider…that’s rich) for poor refugee Hispanic children (which very well could be used as a deterrent for illegal immigration), which means her only direct harm is caused by a general threat of the spread of disease…because if she’s catching it from her patients, who aren’t the actual refugees, she is obviously no more likely to contract any of these diseases than the person she caught it from….not what I would call a direct harm.

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    Joey July 16, 2014 at 2:16 pm #

    Andrew Morris:
    It’s also quite disgusting that an immigrant would be doing this. To say nothing of the fact that the very same things were said not so long ago of her co-religionists when they tried to emigrate to the US.

    To Orly, there are “good” (white) immigrants and “bad ” (brown, black, yellow) immigrants.
    White immigrants are conservative, brown, black and yellow immigrants are liberal.

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    Dave B. July 16, 2014 at 3:13 pm #

    I kind of think a “persistent cough” that Orly MIGHT have, that MIGHT be a symptom of a communicable disease that might POSSIBLY have been transmitted from a patient, who CONCEIVABLY could have been in the country illegally, and who by some extravagantly wild leap of imagination MIGHT be part of the group Orly is suing to have removed or quarantined, is going to be deep in the heart of the “conjectural” realm.
    Now this isn’t, of course, the best advertisement for Orly Taitz, DDS. Conjecturally speaking, a dedicated, responsible healthcare provider might want to suspend her practice until the issue of her virulent contagion– this particular virulent contagion– is resolved. Perhaps the teeth-bearing people of Rancho Santa Margarita should be warned!
    And who doesn’t test for TB with a simple skin test anyway?

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    “(a) To satisfy the “case or controversy” requirement of Art. III, a plaintiff must show that he has sustained or is immediately in danger of sustaining some direct injury as the result of the challenged official conduct, and the injury or threat of injury must be “real and immediate,” not “conjectural” or “hypothetical.””

    City of Los Angeles v. Lyon (461 U.S. 95)

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    The Magic M July 17, 2014 at 5:00 am #

    ZixiOfIx: Here is a Free Republic thread about the sheer audacity of Pope Francis to say that these refuge children must be protected.

    My favourite quote (before I stopped reading that cesspool) was “Perhaps the Pope should stick to theology, and not insert himself into ongoing social/political issues“. Yup, because that’s what Jesus did, stick to theology and not care about actual people with actual problems.

    If any proof was needed these people are as much Christians as Cthulhu is Buddhist, this must be it.

    It’s just sad their perverted “Christianity” isn’t called out more often, instead people like them can parade their “religion” as a veil for their real motivations on national TV.

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    aarrgghh July 18, 2014 at 9:59 pm #

    JoZeppy: “Additionally she claims standing as an American taxpayer. ”

    Any judge or lawyer who sees this phrase knows to read this as, “I have no standing. Please dismiss this case at your earliest convenience.”

    see also:

    “i have standing as a citizen …”

    “i have standing as a voter …”

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