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Cold Case Posse gets a pass

In a move that’s leaving this writer’s head shaking, the Arizona Corporation Commission has confirmed that the Cold Case Posse is now in good standing with the Commission, and that it’s corporate filings now conform with statutory requirements (even though that hardly seems possible).

A copy of the following email was forwarded to me:

Thank you for the additional information regarding the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Cold Case Posse.  We have reviewed the recent submissions relating to this entity and can accurately state that all approved filings are in compliance with applicable statutes.  The entity record has been updated to reflect those approved filings.

Thank you again for the information.

Sincerely,

Tanya M. Gibson, Deputy Director

I will refrain from saying something catty at this point.

Update:

Some folks have gone over the CCP filing in detail and have concluded that the letter of the law has been followed, if perhaps not the intent. What we see here is the continued program of hiding and non-disclosure from the Cold Case Posse that I think is in appropriate for an organization that gets a tax exemption from the government.

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32 Responses to Cold Case Posse gets a pass

  1. avatar
    Dave July 12, 2014 at 2:02 pm  (Quote) #

    For the slower reader (and perhaps I’m the only one) maybe you could explain how the CCP should not be in good standing. I’ve the read the previous thread, and to me it looks like they now have a valid statutory agent. Which I thought was the issue they needed to correct.

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    Loren July 12, 2014 at 2:59 pm  (Quote) #

    They have named a valid statutory agent, but the physical address they’ve provided for that individual is a location that he is assuredly not at.

    Which would make service of process on the Posse rather…difficult.

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    Dave July 12, 2014 at 3:17 pm  (Quote) #

    OK. So if you go to the Arizona Corp. Comm. page for the CCP, I agree that what you see there is not good. But I noticed that the latest filing from the CCP says something different from what is on that page.

    The 6/20 filing does the following: changes the physical address of the CCP from a PO box (not allowed) to the street address of their new statutory agent. And it changes the statutory agent from Mike Zullo at a phony address, to an actual agent at an actual address.

    It is notable that the filing lists the physical address of the new statutory agent as the one in Oro Valley, and lists no mailing address. What the Arizona Corp. Comm. has put on the web page is not consistent with this.

    So I see that the Arizona Corp. Comm. page is not in compliance, but I don’t see any way that the CCP’s latest filing is not in compliance. I don’t think you can fault the CCP for that.

    Loren:
    They have named a valid statutory agent, but the physical address they’ve provided for that individual is a location that he is assuredly not at.

    Which would make service of process on the Posse rather…difficult.

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    Curious George July 12, 2014 at 3:59 pm  (Quote) #

    The moral of the story. You can use bogus street addresses in your filings for 4 years, and then appoint a new statutory agent in Timbuktu, with a valid address with the Arizona Corporation Commission and all is forgiven with a wink and a nod. I don’t think the IRS will be quite so lenient. The one positive? They were 20 days delinquent and they were forced to make a change.

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    Benji Franklin July 12, 2014 at 4:37 pm  (Quote) #

    Loren: They have named a valid statutory agent, but the physical address they’ve provided for that individual is a location that he is assuredly not at. Which would make service of process on the Posse rather…difficult.

    Ah, yes but with that observation, you are implying that surely a submission from CCP that got approved by the Arizona Corporation Commission, would only be approved if such a submission included the applicant’s compliance in filling out the address question specifying where the statutory agent can be found (to be served) with legal notices ect.

    While that makes perfect sense, and arguably would seem necessary to satisfy the likely intent of the statutes as enacted, it may not be SPECIFICALLY required by the statutes themselves. What we (reasonable people) view as the minimal application information necessary to ensure that a Corporation is “servable” seems to be confirmed by the requirement right on the application form, that such information must indeed be submitted as part of the application in the appropriate blanks.

    But the requirement that those blanks on the form be filled out, may only constitute part of a “regulation” created by the Commission in routine pursuance of performing its charge, and as such, that “requirement” may be waivable by the Commission in particular instances (good-old-Birther-networks etc), or have its purpose deemed otherwise already satisfied in the opinion of the officials processing the application. We can only imagine the latitude Birthers would feel they could use in interpreting regulatory language, in their never-ending attempt to get their movement off of square one.

    Read the Commission’s response and parse it a little more cynically.

    They wrote:
    “We have reviewed the recent submissions relating to this entity and can accurately state that all approved filings are in compliance with applicable statutes.”

    They did not say that applications for approved filings must have been completed in accordance with the requirements stated on those applications.

    It would be interesting to find out if other corporations, (or indeed why not ALL Arizona corporations,) currently have approved good standing without satisfying that address requirement?

  6. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 12, 2014 at 6:04 pm  (Quote) #

    “The ACC has reviewed the matter and determined that it has been firmly established that It’s OK If You’re A Republican. Kindly stop inquiring about it.”

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    aarrgghh July 12, 2014 at 6:44 pm  (Quote) #

    i imagine that this is what the world must look like to a birfer, wherein administrative bodies responsible for collecting legal documents and enforcing compliance with its regulations cheerfully validate deficient records that clearly and deliberately skirt its own rules.

    the fix is in, my fellow patriots. shurf joe’s cold case ponzi is a fraud and arizona is shamelessly flaunting its corruption and complicity.

    although birfers could use arizona as damning proof that record-keeping bodies, starting with hawaii’s, are all corrupt, i suspect few would be so willing to throw their great white hope under the bus for just another confirmation of conspiracies they already believe.

    and does tanya m. gibson know she’s just put herself in the running for this year’s loretta fuddy award?

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    CarlOrcas July 12, 2014 at 7:17 pm  (Quote) #

    Dave:
    For the slower reader (and perhaps I’m the only one) maybe you could explain how the CCP should not be in good standing. I’ve the read the previous thread, and to me it looks like they now have a valid statutory agent. Which I thought was the issue they needed to correct.

    The Cold Case Posse appears to be in compliance by the thinnest of legal threads but off the reservation when it comes to the spirit of the law.

    They’re a non-profit, public service corporation that misrepresents (to be polite) their mission and on that basis claim they need to maintain super secrecy to protect their mission and members from the evil BLACK man in the WHITE House because “any day now” (TM – Cold Case Posse) they are going to release the “universe shattering” (TM – Cold Case Posse) that will return America to its former glory and if their address was public Obama could squash them like a bug and take over American forever and ever.

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    Jim July 13, 2014 at 1:17 am  (Quote) #

    CarlOrcas: The Cold Case Posse appears to be in compliance by the thinnest of legal threads but off the reservation when it comes to the spirit of the law.

    Will it be enough to bring Zullo out of hiding? Maybe some dimension-shattering evidence? :D

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    Lupin July 13, 2014 at 3:42 am  (Quote) #

    In France we have something called a “huissier” which is sort of like a bailiff but can be hired by private parties & whose report has evidentiary strength in a court of law.

    In a case like this, I would send a huissier serve some kind of official paper to that address, and when he/she returns with in effect proof of non-compliance, I’d pass it along to the ACC with some veiled threats.

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    CarlOrcas July 13, 2014 at 7:14 am  (Quote) #

    Jim: Will it be enough to bring Zullo out of hiding?Maybe some dimension-shattering evidence?

    Any day now…..I’m sure.

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    CarlOrcas July 13, 2014 at 7:18 am  (Quote) #

    Lupin:
    In France we have something called a “huissier” which is sort of like a bailiff but can be hired by private parties & whose report has evidentiary strength in a court of law.

    In a case like this, I would send a huissier serve some kind of official paper to that address, and when he/she returns with in effect proof of non-compliance, I’d pass it along to the ACC with some veiled threats.

    Yes, lots of ways to get papers served here using both private and public folks.

    As far as what happens if they can’t complete service because of bad information they can then forward it to the corporation commission. I assume it works pretty much the same way in other states as well.

  13. avatar
    alg July 13, 2014 at 9:39 am  (Quote) #

    In the words of the venerable Carl Gallups: “It is of no concern.” This has always been a technicality problem that is relatively easy to fix.

    However, what should not be lost on anyone is that this problem of dealing with details was the result of incompetence on the part of a supposed “investigation” team whose very success depends upon its capacity to deal with details.

    If they have so much trouble filling out simple forms, just imagine the difficulty they would have examining a real crime scene.

  14. avatar
    Curious George July 13, 2014 at 11:36 am  (Quote) #

    alg
    “However, what should not be lost on anyone is that this problem of dealing with details was the result of incompetence on the part of a supposed “investigation” team whose very success depends upon its capacity to deal with details. ”

    Accurately assessing the details would derail their birther narrative…and the birther bucks. Any Day Now, some Birthers may wake up to the sham.

  15. avatar
    Curious George July 13, 2014 at 12:28 pm  (Quote) #

    And speaking about shams, the great pretender “Joe Mannix” has been silent for about six weeks now. Looking back we find Doc’s comment from June 9……”What I strongly suspect is that poster Joe Mannix at Birther Report is Mike Zullo…..” Doc must have hit the nail on the head.

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    justlw July 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm  (Quote) #

    A shame, indeed. The handle seemed so apropos, given the number of times Mannix got hit over the head in the course of the series.

    From time to time, I will still picture in my mind’s eye Mike Zullo desperately running over the Terminal Island bridge, pursued by a POV crane shot of wingéd Obot Furies, as Lalo Schifrin kicks out a tasty big band jazz waltz.

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    Arthur July 13, 2014 at 10:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: And speaking about shams, the great pretender “Joe Mannix” has been silent for about six weeks now.

    I’ve been looking up Joe Mannix’s posts at B.R. trying to find an exchange I had with him about how Mike Zullo is not an actual law enforcement official and is not a Lieutenant. Haven’t found it yet, but I am coming across some predictions from the past that would make Nostradamus blush. For example, hears one from about a year and a half ago:

    “From Carl Gallops on his radio show who is at CPAC with Mike Zullo. He called in and reported this. Zullo and Gallups made a presentation at a meeting yesterday and “shook hands with”: Governors, Attorney Generals, Senators, Congressmen.

    “All are so overwhelmed by anti-birther information in the past that they shut out birthers. We have finally got ahold of these people and set them down and they are overwhelmed by the evidence. We (Zullo and Gallups) have spent all day on Capitol Hill with VIPs. We have the attention of several VIPs who can make something happen. We have promises made in front of witnesses that that a VIP will make something happen. Some of the recognizable VIPs are new to Washington and some have been around for awhile and they have never heard of our evidence.

    “If some people keep their promises, the American people will see some results in a few months.”

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    justlw July 14, 2014 at 1:45 am  (Quote) #

    Hey Joe (Mannix)


    Hey Joe, where you goin’ with that PDF in your hand
    Hey Joe, I said where you goin’ with that PDF in your hand
    I’m goin’ to bring down a president
    Mainly cuz, y’know, he looks awfully tan


    Yeah, I’m goin’ to get me a posse
    You know I thought he was usurpin’ and stuff
    And that ain’t too cool


    Hey Joe, hey, Joe, I heard you made up a lot of crap
    Hey Joe, hey, Joe, I heard you just were kind of throwin’ all sorts of stuff on the wall to see if it’d stick, baby
    He said, “Yeah, I did it, yes I did, I helped with a bunch of videos
    and I went to Hawaii and I hassled an old lady, and I got me this rilly cool badge”


    Yes I did, I hassled her
    You know I said there were pencil marks and code books
    Yeah, and it was all universe shattering and just you wait until [unintelligible]

    [repeat and fade]

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    The European July 14, 2014 at 2:37 am  (Quote) #

    justlw:
    Hey Joe (Mannix)


    Hey Joe, where you goin’ with that PDF in your hand
    Hey Joe, I said where you goin’ with that PDF in your hand
    I’m goin’ to bring down a president
    Mainly cuz, y’know, he looks awfully tan



    Yeah, I’m goin’ to get me a posse
    You know I thought he was usurpin’ and stuff
    And that ain’t too cool


    Hey Joe, hey, Joe, I heard you made up a lot of crap
    Hey Joe, hey, Joe, I heard you just were kind of throwin’ all sorts of stuff on the wall to see if it’d stick, baby
    He said, “Yeah, I did it, yes I did, I helped with a bunch of videos
    and I went to Hawaii and I hassled an old lady, and I got me this rilly cool badge”


    Yes I did, I hassled her
    You know I said there were pencil marks and code books
    Yeah, and it was all universe shattering and just you wait until [unintelligible]

    [repeat and fade]

    That song was Jimi´s breakthrough, but not one of his best by far. I like the “Mariachi” version by Willy DeVille better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpkDdLZGg30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH-0cFsoHc4

  20. avatar
    justlw July 14, 2014 at 2:52 am  (Quote) #

    I don’t know, I think I’m going to go with Jimi’s version on that one.

    However, in the same vein, I very much enjoy David Lindley’s cover of “Werewolves of London”:

    http://youtu.be/C-XffQd0Tgc

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    Arthur July 14, 2014 at 7:59 am  (Quote) #

    justlw: Hey Joe, where you goin’ with that PDF in your hand

    I’m pretty sure I heard this at Woodstock . . . course, it might just have been the brown acid.

  22. avatar
    The Magic M July 14, 2014 at 9:52 am  (Quote) #

    Arthur (quoting birfer): We have the attention of several VIPs who can make something happen. We have promises made in front of witnesses that that a VIP will make something happen.

    If they had, and those “VIPs” had let them down, they would’ve exposed them on the spot. The fact that not a single article “Senator XY promised to help us but has betrayed us” was published proves this was BS (and that they were too scared of the blacklash should they try to attach their ridiculous stuff to a name).

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    Curious George July 14, 2014 at 11:58 am  (Quote) #

    “Joe Mannix” as the CCCP ” Lieutenant ” getting ready for the next press conference and speaking to members of the Cold Compress Posse.

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/QI89OmcYBVM?autoplay=1

  24. avatar
    justlw July 14, 2014 at 12:46 pm  (Quote) #

    Gary Mitchell, no! Talk about “universe-shattering.”

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    bgansel9 July 14, 2014 at 3:52 pm  (Quote) #

    Arthur: “From Carl Gallops on his radio show who is at CPAC with Mike Zullo. He called in and reported this. Zullo and Gallups made a presentation at a meeting yesterday and “shook hands with”: Governors, Attorney Generals, Senators, Congressmen.

    “All are so overwhelmed by anti-birther information in the past that they shut out birthers. We have finally got ahold of these people and set them down and they are overwhelmed by the evidence. We (Zullo and Gallups) have spent all day on Capitol Hill with VIPs. We have the attention of several VIPs who can make something happen. We have promises made in front of witnesses that that a VIP will make something happen. Some of the recognizable VIPs are new to Washington and some have been around for awhile and they have never heard of our evidence.

    You know, when I’m approached by crazy people pushing their point of view on me, I have a tendency to feign interest also, at least until I can get the hell away from them.

    if these people were so interested, why are they not screaming about it now? I’ll tell you why, because they were just entertaining the nuts to make sure they had a safe exit.

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    Arthur July 14, 2014 at 4:11 pm  (Quote) #

    Here’s another golden oldie prediction from Joe Mannix, this one from February 26, 2014.

    “In the next few weeks leading up to the press conference by Zullo, you will see a bombardment of deceptive information put out to confuse the people. We all know it’s coming. You people will have to use good common sense judgement when deciphering it all as it comes in. If I was everyone, I would wait until Zullo lays out what he has in front of the international press that will be there before jumping to conclusions. Patience must be practiced in the next several weeks.”

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    bgansel9 July 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm  (Quote) #

    Any day now… or is that any MONTH now?

    That information is four months overdue, but you keep praying for that to happen, Arthur.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 14, 2014 at 9:32 pm  (Quote) #

    The Magic M: If they had, and those “VIPs” had let them down, they would’ve exposed them on the spot. The fact that not a single article “Senator XY promised to help us but has betrayed us” was published proves this was BS (and that they were too scared of the blacklash should they try to attach their ridiculous stuff to a name).

    Actually there was Jeff Miller whom the birthers never actually provided proof was ever on board. Last year Carl Gallups spent several months on it claiming he was going to out the congressman. I think as far back as April of 2013. It took until about August 15th 2013 for him to out him.

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    The Magic M July 15, 2014 at 3:57 am  (Quote) #

    bgansel9: That information is four months overdue

    As some Obot on BR succinctly put it, it’s only March 137th today so we have to be patient. Besides, while I remember Gallups announced the universe-shattering evidence for March, he never mentioned a specific year.

    In fact, birthers seem to collectively ignore the Zullo “investigation”, except for the occasional knee-jerk “Zullo will have Obama out of office soon” reaction to Obot taunts.

    Gallups silent, Mannix MIA, Zullo AWOL, Trump without a TV show to pimp – yup, they gotta believe in their “calm before the storm” meme more than ever (in fact some BR people said as much, like “silence is proof of any day now”).

    Silence will fall when the question is asked.” ‘Nuff said.

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    gorefan July 15, 2014 at 8:30 am  (Quote) #

    The Magic M:

    Gallups silent, Mannix MIA, Zullo AWOL, Trump without a TV show to pimp – yup, they gotta believe in their “calm before the storm” meme more than ever (in fact some BR people said as much, like “silence is proof of any day now”).

    Silence will fall when the question is asked.” ‘Nuff said.

    They seem to also be seeing other signs of the second coming of Zullo. There was one comment where one of the latents said that the CBS News website was no longer accepting comments – that can only mean something is brewing.

  31. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 15, 2014 at 8:38 am  (Quote) #

    Silence, eh? This is good news for John McCain.

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    The Magic M July 15, 2014 at 11:30 am  (Quote) #

    gorefan: There was one comment where one of the latents said that the CBS News website was no longer accepting comments – that can only mean something is brewing.

    “Next up: strange clouds in the sky, or in my coffee, or in these bird’s intestines. Obama’s end is near, when HOW I MET YOUR BIRTHER returns… after these messages.”

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