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  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 14, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

    Media Matters video.

    Fox News military analyst Bill Cowan veers into birther territory.

    http://youtu.be/bm9zBq3zLhI

  2. avatar
    donna August 14, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

    Fox News Military Analyst Goes Birther: “We May Not Know For Another 100 Years” If Obama’s “Legitimate”

    Cowan: When I See An Obama Bumper Sticker, “I Want To Run ‘Em Off The Road. I Don’t Care If It’s A Woman”

    Cowan’s August 11 tea party speech veered into the long-debunked territory of Obama’s birth certificate during the question and answer portion when an audience member referenced things on “the Internet” and whether Obama is a “legitimate American.” Cowan replied by going birther

    video & transcript: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/13/fox-news-military-analyst-goes-birther-we-may-n/200421

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    gorefan August 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm #

    Another retired military guy is going to be on blogtalkradio tonight with Volin.

    Over at BR in the comments about the Volin show, Give Us Liberty 1776 made a comment that the Arpaio/Zullo presser may be postponed due to an unexplained snag.

    My guess is the snag is they don’t have evidence or a crime.

  4. avatar
    Dave August 14, 2014 at 9:02 pm #

    How do you postpone something that hasn’t been scheduled?

  5. avatar
    Bonsall Obot August 14, 2014 at 9:19 pm #

    Dave:
    How do you postpone something that hasn’t been scheduled?

    It was scheduled for a secret place and time, to prevent sabotage. These Birfers thought of everything.

  6. avatar
    Bonsall Obot August 14, 2014 at 9:22 pm #

    At Bloody Orly’s command, a Flying Monkey has tracked a mean comment made on her blog to… Germany. Bloody Orly is blissfully unaware of proxy servers, so expect her to file a new motion including this information.

  7. avatar
    Dave August 14, 2014 at 9:49 pm #

    BR has a post about a birther case I hadn’t heard of before. The plaintiff is Christopher John Rudy, and his complaint is that a law raising the patent filing fee by $90 is invalid because it was signed into law by The Usurper. This case recently arrived at the Supreme Court.

    I can’t find any previous mention of this case here. (Cue Dr. C posting the link I failed to find.)

  8. avatar
    donna August 14, 2014 at 10:17 pm #

    amicus brief: Rudy v Lee

    On Petition for Writ of Certiorari to the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit

    C. It is imperative that this court recognize that the question, whether a president is a natural born citizen, is justiciable

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/236848031/Rudy-v-Lee-USJF-Amicus-Brief-2

  9. avatar
    Dave B. August 14, 2014 at 10:59 pm #

    Good lord, now I’m going to have to tell C.J. Rudy and C.R. Judy apart. What a world.

    donna: amicus brief: Rudy v Lee

  10. avatar
    gorefan August 14, 2014 at 11:22 pm #

    donna:
    amicus brief: Rudy v Lee

    On Petition for Writ of Certiorari to the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit

    C. It is imperative that this court recognize that the question, whether a president is a natural born citizen, is justiciable

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/236848031/Rudy-v-Lee-USJF-Amicus-Brief-2

    This quote is interesting,

    “It is not necessary at this point to decide whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. Nor is it necessary now to endorse Justice Gray’s views over those of dissenting Chief Justice Fuller, or vice versa. Indeed, Mr. Rudy’s case against President Obama’s citizenship is based upon both views — that he is not a natural born citizen based either on his place of birth, or on the citizenship of his parents. ”

    Titus seems to feel that Justice Gray ruled that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen. Imagine that.

  11. avatar
    Dave August 14, 2014 at 11:32 pm #

    I have found what appears to be the original Rudy v. Lee complaint, filed in Eastern Virginia in Mar 2013.

  12. avatar
    donna August 15, 2014 at 12:54 am #

    Dave: I have found what appears to be the original Rudy v. Lee complaint, filed in Eastern Virginia in Mar 2013.

    Current Conferences September 29, 2014

    Christopher John Rudy v. Michelle K. Lee, Deputy Director, United States Patent and Trademark Office, et al., No. 14-36 Amicus

    https://certpool.com/from/circuit/Federal%20Circuit

    Jul 10 2014 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due August 13, 2014)
    Jul 30 2014 Waiver of right of respondents Michelle K. Lee, Deputy Director, United States Patent and Trademark Office, et al. to respond filed.
    Aug 6 2014 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of September 29, 2014.
    Aug 13 2014 Brief amici curiae of U.S. Justice Foundation, et al. filed. (Distributed)

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/14-36.htm

    Rudy v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office et al

    March 1 2013 – Barack Hussein Obama, II sued by Christopher John Rudy for patent infringement in Virginia Eastern District Court

    1:13-cv-00278
    Filed: 03/01/2013
    Closed: 08/29/2013
    Latest Docket Entry: 06/02/2014

    https://search.rpxcorp.com/lit/vaedce-292691-rudy-v-united-states-patent-and-trademark-office

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    gorefan August 15, 2014 at 3:30 am #

    Dave:
    I have found what appears to be the original Rudy v. Lee complaint, filed in Eastern Virginia in Mar 2013.

    Rudy just says that the President is ineligible because he doesn’t have two citizen parents and everyone knows that is the definition of NBC.

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    The Magic M August 15, 2014 at 6:39 am #

    gorefan: Over at BR in the comments about the Volin show, Give Us Liberty 1776 made a comment that the Arpaio/Zullo presser may be postponed due to an unexplained snag.

    Kinda hard to postpone something that Zullo Inc. has always been adamant to not attach any definite date or time frame to. ;)

  15. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 15, 2014 at 10:13 am #

    BR is back to pimping the opinions of some ex-this and retired-that as news.

  16. avatar
    RanTalbott August 15, 2014 at 9:53 pm #

    gorefan: My guess is the snag is they don’t have evidence or a crime.

    Mine is that zullo was rummaging through the box under his bed where he keeps the Sup3r S3kr1t Hayes R3p0rt, and found out that he’s had a copy of the issue of Playboy with the story on Montgomery in it for years. And now he has to find a way to break the news to Arpaio that he wasn’t really spending Posse funds buying Playboy “for the articles”.

  17. avatar
    ASK Esq August 15, 2014 at 11:01 pm #

    Anyone seen any birthers link Abercrombie’s loss in the primary to his anti-birther activities?

  18. avatar
    RanTalbott August 15, 2014 at 11:47 pm #

    ASK Esq: Anyone seen any birthers link Abercrombie’s loss in the primary to his anti-birther activities?

    Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umBOP7lJ-kc

    Although BR entitled it “Broadcaster To Investigator: Sheriff Arpaio Source Says They Think They’ve Identified Forger”, that only comes up in the last few seconds (Boyles claims he got the tip from some insider at Clueless Clown Central). A large part of it is Abercrombie-bashing.

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    The Magic M August 16, 2014 at 2:30 am #

    ASK Esq: Anyone seen any birthers link Abercrombie’s loss in the primary to his anti-birther activities?

    The BR inmates seem to take it as “any day now” reinforcement – either because “now he’s free to spill the beans” or because “the NWO is taking Obama down step by step”.
    Y’know, just like they believe because people still birf, “they” are setting the stage for removal, any day now.

  20. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 16, 2014 at 10:03 am #

    Birthers take literally anything as reinforcement, even a flat out “No!”

  21. avatar
    Jim August 17, 2014 at 1:41 pm #

    Ex-MCSO Deputy spills the dirt on Arpaio

    “Additionally, Sands’ dishes on subjects such as Arpaio’s being envious of Sheriff Babeu, skulduggery surrounding the Munnell affair, Arpaio’s obsession with investigating threats against himself, the MCSO’s “birther” probe, and the alleged racism of certain MCSO personnel.”

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/08/joe_arpaios_ex-deputy_chief_brian_sands_dishes_dirt_on_steven_seagal_birthers_and_more_in_e-book_arp.php#more

    Maybe more to come. :D

  22. avatar
    bovril August 17, 2014 at 2:46 pm #

    Pants, just bought it….

    Still not a total waste, it confirms

    Reilly’s narrative about how he kicked off and became disillusioned and unhappy with the posse
    How Arpaio has no actual grasp of basic legal niceties such as probable cause
    Pinhole was told that a replacement BC is never going to look like the original but refused to accept it
    The “posse” now consists of Zullo and no one else
    Cori is correctly identified as nothing more than a blogger with a wild conspiracy mind set
    Zullo, when pushed in a corner and asked to explain exactly what his “great evidence” was in the context of actual indictments basically admits he has nothing
    Zullo is a true believer
    Pinholes entire reason for this was financial, voter stir up, and attempt to put the DOJ off and a hopefuls poke in the eye to Obama who he believes is orchestrating a witch hunt

    Nothing new but further confirmation of what is already known or suspected

  23. avatar
    Bonsall Obot August 17, 2014 at 8:51 pm #

    I KNEW Orly’s pleas for “witnesses” to “testify” reminded me of something.

    From 1974… apologies to Dave Loggins

    Please come to Brownsville for the witch-hunt,
    I’m going there with my case and we’ve got lots of room.
    You can sell your story in the courtroom,
    To a judge who’s been selected as a friendly loon.
    Please come to Brownsville.
    They said “no,
    Won’t you just go away?”

    And they said, “hey Orly Taitz,
    Why won’t you take a pill?
    Lawyering ain’t your strongest skill.
    You ain’t got brains and
    You think things that just aren’t true.
    You’re a pox on the law and
    Everyone’s laughing at you.”

    (Several more verses available for those who’d like to feeneesh it.)

  24. avatar
    The Magic M August 18, 2014 at 5:30 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Birthers take literally anything as reinforcement, even a flat out “No!”

    As in my all time favourite “We lost, but that’s good because now we can appeal!”, repeated several times.

  25. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 18, 2014 at 10:59 am #

    The Magic M: As in my all time favourite “We lost,but that’s good because now we can appeal!”, repeated several times.

    If nothing else, they’re eternal optimists.

  26. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 18, 2014 at 11:05 am #

    Also this,
    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/08/more-another-obama-ineligibility.html

    Woo buddy, a petition! $#!% just got real!

  27. avatar
    foreigner August 19, 2014 at 4:22 am #

    Obamaconspiracists please vote :
    do you think Ukrainian separatists shot MH17 as Obama claims ?
    The preliminary Dutch report to be published by end of August …

    Obama : (internet is) a network of misinformation

  28. avatar
    roadburner August 19, 2014 at 4:54 am #

    here´s a theory for you…

    i´m starting to come to the conclusion that the poster at BR `william´ might be financially backing bob

    he claims to be independently wealthy (though claims from behind a keyboard need to be taken with a pinch of salt…or a kilo), and correcting him gets a ban faster than showing bird-boy to be an idiot (though that´s not difficult).

    just a thought…..

  29. avatar
    Bovril August 19, 2014 at 5:06 am #

    I’m trying to work out the rule set that BR/ORYR has in place over at his pen of squalor for what gets immediately posted, blocked or stuck in limbo “awaiting admin approval”.

    As far as I can tell……. feel free to correct…..

    1. With an Intense Debate (ID) or Facebook account your posts go in without delay UNLESS you are one of the heinous Obots (except for Foggy/DocC….. )

    2. Without an ID/FB account, as an anonymous’ish entity, your posts will get in unless

    a. You have had your IP address blocked for posting some horrid non-rightthink previously…OR
    b. You are posting as an anonymous entity on a thread started by one of the favoured few, such a *FAKIN*, FatherTime, William etc….OR
    c. Your post as an anon includes certain key strings such as “President Obama”….OR
    d. Your post as an anon includes some indeterminate number of instances of “Birther”, “Birfoon”, “Birferstan” etc

    3. Posts in limbo “Awaiting approval” will never show unless they are Birther friendly, guano insane or go all BENGAHZEEE….USURPER etc with lots of caps (or some combination of all the above). Posts advocating violence against Obots or LIEBERALS or DEMONRATS etc will get an immediate pass. Posts mocking birthers go to /dev/null

  30. avatar
    Lupin August 19, 2014 at 5:22 am #

    This is totally OT, but I wonder if anyone in US news has posted about the irony of the US working with officially labeled “terrorist” and Marxists to boot (the PKK) to save Satan-worshippers (the Yazdi) from our erstwhile partners the crazy jihadists in ISIS.

    If the folks at BR look at it, their heads will explode.

  31. avatar
    roadburner August 19, 2014 at 6:51 am #

    Bovril: I’m trying to work out the rule set that BR/ORYR has in place over at his pen of squalor for what gets immediately posted, blocked or stuck in limbo “awaiting admin approval”.

    you forgot about posting anything factual that makes the thread title look silly or makes their hopes fizzle out

    they still don´t seem to see the irony of blocking and censoring `e.p.lovejoy´ :D

  32. avatar
    The Magic M August 19, 2014 at 8:02 am #

    Bovril: 1. With an Intense Debate (ID) or Facebook account your posts go in without delay UNLESS you are one of the heinous Obots (except for Foggy/DocC….. )

    I couldn’t post there despite creating an ID account, so the IP ban must take precedence.

  33. avatar
    Keith August 19, 2014 at 9:01 am #

    Bovril: Posts mocking birthers go to /dev/null

    I tried to Rick Roll them the other day (oops, I guess I just outed myself to them) with a rant that was odd, but not over the top crazy. It seems to have gone into /dev/null.

    That indicates to me that someone must have actually checked out the link I included. On the other hand it may just have not been crazy enough and was from a newbie. Maybe I should have worked on my credentials for a few days before hitting them with the Rick Roll.

  34. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 19, 2014 at 10:04 am #

    So, I checked out Orly’s increasingly messy looking website just now. Its not so much about Obama any more, as it is posting anything that will appease the farthest right wing night jobs, who ironically, probably wouldn’t give her the time of day, seeing as she’s Jewish.

  35. avatar
    roadburner August 19, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

    bird-boy gives up all pretense of not being a bigotted racist asshat at the bottom of this thread…

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/08/fox-news-bill-oreilly-heather-nauert.html

    guess walt getting sent down tipped him over the edge

  36. avatar
    Dave August 19, 2014 at 5:20 pm #

    Here’s part of a comment by “★FALCON★”:

    “Eric Holder murdered 80 kids and adults in Waco – but he’s now outraged that a cop legally killed a strong-arm robbery suspect who attacked him and went for his gun.”

    So apparently Eric Holder, who at that time was a judge on the Superior Court of DC, was running the FBI’s operation in Waco.

    Seriously, I don’t know how “★FALCON★” has enough brain power to digest his food.

  37. avatar
    OllieOxenFree August 20, 2014 at 12:49 am #

    Off Topic:

    Birther Report, Pixel Patriot (aka Kevin R. Powell), and another (someone named Cort W.?) have gone after Brian Reilly in an e-mail exchange they have made public.

    There was apparently a response to someone named Gary Wilmott (no idea who that is but he apparently sent articles to Brian Reilly regarding the O’Reilly reports) Is he the owner of Birther Report?

    Anyway, you can read the report here…

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/08/report-ccp-initiator-reverses-course.html

    Brian Reilly has apparently gotten under their skin.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 20, 2014 at 1:34 am #

    OllieOxenFree:
    Off Topic:

    Birther Report, Pixel Patriot (aka Kevin R. Powell), and another (someone named Cort W.?) have gone after Brian Reilly in an e-mail exchange they have made public.

    There was apparently a response to someone named Gary Wilmott (no idea who that is but he apparently sent articles to Brian Reilly regarding the O’Reilly reports)Is he the owner of Birther Report?

    Anyway, you can read the report here…

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/08/report-ccp-initiator-reverses-course.html

    Brian Reilly has apparently gotten under their skin.

    Just goes to show, birthers will eat their own, no matter how high on the food chain they are.

  39. avatar
    Bonsall Obot August 20, 2014 at 2:39 am #

    Can’t find the comment now, from a few days ago, (from Notorial, I think?) about Birferism on the decline and the rise of the SovCits, specifically the NLA.

    You weren’t kidding; I’ve been reading those threads at Quatloos and TFB. These nuts need to get slapped down hard and soon.

  40. avatar
    The Magic M August 20, 2014 at 4:51 am #

    Dave: So apparently Eric Holder, who at that time was a judge on the Superior Court of DC, was running the FBI’s operation in Waco.

    Obviously Holder also set up Nixon, staged the moon landing, shot MLK and personally forced the South to implement slavery. Because, you know, there’s nothing as powerful as historical revisionism. Except maybe the belief that “any day now” is going to be any day now.

  41. avatar
    Lupin August 20, 2014 at 5:33 am #

    Dave: Seriously, I don’t know how “★FALCON★” has enough brain power to digest his food.

    Velcro has been a major factor enabling birthers to put on shoes and get out of their homes. D*mn you velcro!

  42. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 20, 2014 at 8:37 am #

    Cort W sounds like Cort Wrotnowski, an early birther litigant:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/tag/cort-wrotnowski/

    Gary Wilmott was also a birther litigant and runs the Give Us Liberty 1776 blog,

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/tag/gary-wilmott/

    He may have run Birther Report at one time.

    OllieOxenFree: There was apparently a response to someone named Gary Wilmott (no idea who that is but he apparently sent articles to Brian Reilly regarding the O’Reilly reports) Is he the owner of Birther Report?

  43. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 20, 2014 at 11:26 am #

    Lupin: Velcro has been a major factor enabling birthers to put on shoes and get out of their homes. D*mn you velcro!

    Oh, I doubt Falcon has left his mom’s basement in many a moon.

  44. avatar
    Bonsall Obot August 20, 2014 at 12:18 pm #

    Lupin: Velcro has been a major factor enabling birthers to put on shoes and get out of their homes. D*mn you velcro!

    A French invention. We won’t forget this.

  45. avatar
    y_p_w August 21, 2014 at 12:53 am #

    Not really birther related in any way, but this just gives me a lot of chuckles. Apparently there’s a member of a Satanic organization who plans on “desecrating” a “consecrated host” (aka communion wafer) at an event at a rented public space in Oklahoma City. The Archbishop of OKC filed a petition to stop it and order that the sheriff seize it. He claims that it was likely stolen and that in any case it is a violation of his religious beliefs for someone to treat this piece of bread in this manner.

    http://newsok.com/article/5333988

    I think it’s problematic because this guy claims that a Catholic priest from another country mailed it to him and that it wasn’t stolen by anyone. It would also be problematic because the Archbishop is essentially asking the court to enforce church doctrine, which states that a “consecrated host” is not to leave the church except for specific circumstances and only by authorized people, and that it’s property of the Catholic church.

  46. avatar
    RanTalbott August 21, 2014 at 1:25 am #

    y_p_w: It would also be problematic because the Archbishop is essentially asking the court to enforce church doctrine

    And, if you believe that doctrine, they’re asking the court to declare that the Catholics have a property interest in God (a bit of a role reversal, that).

    This could become the entertainment replacement for a waning birferism: “Thirty Years War: The Sequel”, fought with lawyers instead of swords. The odds makers would have to favor the Catholics in this one: the only large group with the theological firepower to go up against the Jesuits would be the Talmudic scholars, and the Jews have no god in this fight.

  47. avatar
    Keith August 21, 2014 at 6:53 am #

    y_p_w: It would also be problematic because the Archbishop is essentially asking the court to enforce church doctrine, which states that a “consecrated host” is not to leave the church except for specific circumstances and only by authorized people, and that it’s property of the Catholic church.

    And how does anybody know that the host that is in the possession of the Satanic group is in fact consecrated? Does it glow with holy light like the halo in pictures of Jesus? Does it have eyes that follow you around the room?

    Mayhap the Satanists are “avin’ a lend of ‘em”?

  48. avatar
    y_p_w August 21, 2014 at 12:23 pm #

    RanTalbott: And, if you believe that doctrine, they’re asking the court to declare that the Catholics have a property interest in God (a bit of a role reversal, that).

    I read the complaint, and it goes into several pages of details about canon law.

    Yeah – I find it kind of disturbing that they’re painting this out as a property crime, as if the courts can intervene in a property dispute where the property was freely given away in another country.. Another deal is that the Archbishop filed this in a personal capacity and not specifically as a representative of the Catholic church. From a legal standpoint it seems really odd.

  49. avatar
    Crustacean August 21, 2014 at 1:35 pm #

    y_p_w: He claims that it was likely stolen and that in any case it is a violation of his religious beliefs for someone to treat this piece of bread in this manner.

    As a devout member of the Church of Low Carbohydrates*, it is a violation of my religious beliefs to eat a piece of bread. Can I sue the Catholic Church?

    *OK, that’s a lie. I love a good biscuit. Plus, I’m a homebrewer, and I have no interest in learning how to make low-carb beer. But I am actively working on a recipe for Consecrated Host IPA. This invention could ramp up Sunday service attendance considerably. I’m pretty sure I could get the current Pope’s blessing on this, but sadly I’m having a Devil of a time figuring out how to convert 100 billion yeast cells…

  50. avatar
    y_p_w August 21, 2014 at 6:36 pm #

    Apparently this wafer was returned along with a promise not to use a “consecrated host” during the event. His direct response to a WSJ Law Blog inquiry was that “I don’t feel like wasting thousands of dollars fighting over a cookie.”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/08/21/oklahoma-archbishop-drops-lawsuit-against-devil-worshiper/

    Adam Daniels, the head of the Satan-worshiping group, called Dakhma of Angra Mainyu, had told Law Blog earlier in the day that he would return the wafer to the Catholic Church if it agreed to drop the lawsuit against him.

    “Once the Catholic Church has dropped the lawsuit, they can collect it from my attorney,” he said. “I don’t feel like wasting thousands of dollars fighting over a cookie.”

  51. avatar
    Keith August 21, 2014 at 8:16 pm #

    y_p_w: I read the complaint, and it goes into several pages of details about canon law.

    Yeah – I find it kind of disturbing that they’re painting this out as a property crime, as if the courts can intervene in a property dispute where the property was freely given away in another country..Another deal is that the Archbishop filed this in a personal capacity and not specifically as a representative of the Catholic church.From a legal standpoint it seems really odd.

    Yesterday (21 August 2014 in Australia), Cardinal George Pell, former Archbishop of Sydney often touted as a future Grand Inquisitor (i.e. Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) and the author of the “Melbourne Response” that sought to pay victims for their silence in order to avoid trials and insurance claims, told the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse that:

    1) the Catholic Church’s responsibility for child abuse by its Priests was like that of a trucking company whose driver abused a hitch-hiker. “I don’t think it appropriate for the leadership of that company to be held responsible…”

    2) the files on Australian Priests would not be turned over to the Royal Commission because they are “internal working documents of a Sovereign State; the Vatican.

    Australian welfare and victim support groups are obviously up in arms about both statements.

    1) The Catholic Church is NOT a trucking company beholden to its financial bottom line and insurance companies. A trucking company could and would fire its offending employee and cooperate with the prosecution; the Catholic did exactly the opposite, protecting and hiding its Priests and moving them to jobs where they could continue to offend without fear.

    2) A few years ago, the Catholic Church successfully defended itself in Australian Courts against one victim, saying that there is actually no legal entity to sue. It is now claiming that it cannot be held responsible for Australian victims because it is a Sovereign State. The question is being asked: “If this foreign state is committing so many crimes on Australian soil against Australia’s most vulnerable citizens, why are we putting them in charge of providing social services to vulnerable people?”

  52. avatar
    Bonsall Obot August 21, 2014 at 8:51 pm #

    I’m convinced, it’s time to bomb Australia. I believe we can do it.

  53. avatar
    Dave B. August 21, 2014 at 11:10 pm #

    H. Brooke Paige’s ongoing scramble for relevance:
    http://www.vnews.com/news/13216971-95/gregg-voting-time-nears

  54. avatar
    The Magic M August 22, 2014 at 6:34 am #

    Bonsall Obot: I’m convinced, it’s time to bomb Australia. I believe we can do it.

    Drudging lowly over gerbils
    Back to the time when blacks were just slaves
    This is the birther site
    That they forgot to smite
    Any day now, come, any day now, come!

    Every day is like Trump day
    Every day is silent and grey

    (With apologies to Morissey.)

  55. avatar
    Sef August 22, 2014 at 3:52 pm #

    Bonsall Obot:
    I’m convinced, it’s time to bomb Australia. I believe we can do it.

    You have to retrain the cruise missiles about driving on the wrong side of the road first.

  56. avatar
    Arthur B. August 22, 2014 at 4:08 pm #

    Sef: You have to retrain the cruise missiles about driving on the wrong side of the road first.

    And upside down.

  57. avatar
    Sef August 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm #

    Somebody broke the MySQL server on thefogbow.com

  58. avatar
    Slartibartfast August 22, 2014 at 4:33 pm #

    s’rry.

    As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

    Sef:
    Somebody broke the MySQL server on thefogbow.com

  59. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 22, 2014 at 5:03 pm #

    Slartibartfast:
    s’rry.

    As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

    Woah…I actually remember when that show was still on the air!

  60. avatar
    Jim August 22, 2014 at 5:33 pm #

    Slartibartfast:
    As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

    Loni Anderson playing Orly in the movie farce “Let Meeeeeee Feeeeeneeeesh!”.

  61. avatar
    Arthur B. August 22, 2014 at 5:34 pm #

    Fogbow is back.

  62. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 22, 2014 at 5:38 pm #

    Jim: Loni Anderson playing Orly in the movie farce “Let Meeeeeee Feeeeeneeeesh!”.

    I…I actually kinda wanna see that!

  63. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 22, 2014 at 6:27 pm #

    Ken Olsen and faked video. Courtesy of the Fogbow:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9326&start=6075#p636555

  64. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 22, 2014 at 6:46 pm #

    A new kind of ‘birther’ movement
    Sideshow: Was Chelsea Clinton’s pregnancy announcement politically-motivated to help Hillary Clinton in 2016? One conservative host is saying it is.

    — MSNBC

    http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/a-new-kind-of-birther-movement-230838851740

  65. avatar
    Keith August 23, 2014 at 3:44 am #

    The defendant sat silently throughout jury selection, the trial, the reading of the guilty verdict, and the moment when court security placed him in handcuffs and led him out of the courtroom.

    In fact, Marrufo refused to even sit at the defendant’s table, choosing instead to watch like a spectator from the gallery as the prosecutor made a case against him.

    Marrufo is part of a loose-knit, anti-government group sometimes called the “sovereign citizen” movement. His refusal to participate in the court proceeding was an expression of the group’s rejection of governmental authority and the court’s authority to try and judge him. The specific charges against Marrufo included making counterfeit checks using the routing and account numbers of U.S. Treasury accounts, which he used to pay off the loan balances on two cars.

    Sovereign citizen refers to a subset of anti-government, anti-tax philosophies. The FBI considers the more extreme adherents of the movement, some of who have engaged in violence against law enforcement, as domestic terrorists.

    ‘Sovereign citizen’ boycotts own trial, convicted of fraud

    Article contains a good summary of the SovCit movement, but not quite all its dangers.

  66. avatar
    interestedbystander August 23, 2014 at 4:24 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Ken Olsen and faked video. Courtesy of the Fogbow:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9326&start=6075#p636555

    I am currently locked out of Fogbow having forgotten my password yet again – but if Epi is reading here I think his assessment of William Rawle is probably correct. If anyone can be bothered to delve into the madness at Nellie’s place (Butterbutts) they will find he is the last one standing still responding to her nuttery, and he has her on the ropes (not that she gets it of course).

  67. avatar
    Lupin August 23, 2014 at 4:35 am #

    More sweet sweet bitter tears of impotent rage on Gerbil Report:

    From commenter “fed up”:

    yes in true progressive fashion they just change the name when its Al CIA DA all along. this criminal regime is not fooling anyone. and its long past time we started arresting and charging these congressmen and senators who have lied and covered up for this clown. they all know damn well what a natural born citizen is thats why they tried 8 times to change it. congressional records are more than enough to expose their lies. The time has come for the American people to do what our elected leaders refuse to do. protect out nation and our people from this corrupt government. we got 22.5 million veterans in this nation and its about time we got together and talk about the treason going on in DC.

    Extra bonus point for the AL-CIA-DA “paranoia pun”

  68. avatar
    Arthur August 23, 2014 at 4:24 pm #

    I need some help with something. I’m trying to devise a chart or Venn diagram that would predict how birthers respond to someone’s death or serious injury.

    Based on the comments at B.R.,

    1, Boston Marathon bombings–fake
    2. Sandy Hook–fake
    3. Benghazi–real
    4. Bin Laden–fake
    5. James Foley–fake
    6. Ebola patients–fake
    7. Loretta Fuddy–fake/govt. execution

    I can understand why they would say Bin Laden wasn’t really killed, because they don’t want to deny giving Obama credit, but why, for example, deny the Boston bombings? There’s no 2nd Amendment connection, and couldn’t the bombing be used to say Obama is soft on Muslim terroists?

  69. avatar
    RanTalbott August 23, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

    Arthur: Based on the comments at B.R.

    Not really a representative population: it’s heavily skewed toward the “batbleep insane” (as opposed to merely stupid/misinformed) subset.

    Afaict, the “tragedy-denier” sect within birferism is a descendant/continuation of the “New World Order” conspiracy cult. The fake (or “false flag”, if they’re undeniable) attacks are supposed to soften us up for the imposition of U.N./marshall [sic] law. Sometimes they claim it’s for sharia, instead.

    Arthur: couldn’t the bombing be used to say Obama is soft on Muslim terroists?

    Sure. And there are birfers in other sects who do just that. It’s a “blind men and elephant thang”: they interpret events toward the needs of their particular delusion.

  70. avatar
    Jim August 23, 2014 at 6:04 pm #

    Arthur:
    I need some help with something. I’m trying todevise a chart or Venn diagram that would predict how birthers respond to someone’s death or serious injury.
    Based on the comments at B.R.,
    1, Boston Marathon bombings–fake Makes Obama Look Bad
    2. Sandy Hook–fake Makes Obama Look Bad
    3. Benghazi–real Makes Obama Look Bad
    4. Bin Laden–fake Makes Obama Look Bad
    5. James Foley–fake Makes Obama Look Bad
    6. Ebola patients–fake Makes Obama Look Bad
    7. Loretta Fuddy–fake/govt. execution Makes Obama Look Bad

    They’ve been very consistent. :D

  71. avatar
    bovril August 23, 2014 at 6:07 pm #

    Arthur,

    Basically the denizens of BR, in the same manner as the vermin at Dr K(H)ates believe EVERYTHING is a government conspiracy.

    The epitome at BR is BS Esq

  72. avatar
    Slartibartfast August 23, 2014 at 7:01 pm #

    Are you looking to make something like this for birthers in general?

    Arthur:
    I need some help with something. I’m trying todevise a chart or Venn diagram that would predict how birthers respond to someone’s death or serious injury.

    Based on the comments at B.R.,

    1, Boston Marathon bombings–fake
    2. Sandy Hook–fake
    3. Benghazi–real
    4. Bin Laden–fake
    5. James Foley–fake
    6. Ebola patients–fake
    7. Loretta Fuddy–fake/govt. execution

    I can understand why they would say Bin Laden wasn’t really killed, because they don’t want to deny giving Obama credit, but why, for example, deny the Boston bombings? There’s no 2nd Amendment connection, and couldn’t the bombing be used to say Obama is soft on Muslim terroists?

  73. avatar
    Sef August 24, 2014 at 8:27 am #

    Fun Fact: Was at my local American Legion Post recently and noticed that their flag had fringe. WTF???

  74. avatar
    Jim August 24, 2014 at 12:06 pm #

    Possible birther House candidate in Minny

    http://www.salon.com/2014/08/22/house_gop_candidate_female_senators_are_undeserving_bimbos_in_tennis_shoes/

    The internet never forgets! :lol

  75. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) August 25, 2014 at 5:27 am #

    Slartibartfast: but why, for example, deny the Boston bombings?

    Because the following lockdown was perceived to be “in government interest” and therefore it must’ve been a test scenario for a major false flag that will bring Martial Law, or something.
    (In essence, it’s nothing but a rehash of 9/11 trutherism – any and all terrorist attacks are just government false flags to usher in a police state.)

    The only reason they believe Benghazi is real is because one of their multiple versions of the event appears to be a way to impeachment.
    (My favourite Benghazi claim is that the terrorists that attacked the facility were the same terrorists the embassy was funneling weapons to, like, WTF?! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you…)

    The only thing I don’t understand is why they always have to believe in the most complicated conspiracy theory possible (when usually conspiracy believers look for a “simple” explanation).
    With Obama, they have to believe some complex story about a highly-pregnant girl flying to the other end of the world, then travel to the other end of the country to give birth, then return immediately with the new-born (instead of just tossing the Mombasa location and claiming he was born in Nairobi next to the airport).
    With Sandy Hook, they believe in a humongous set-up with hundreds of parent and child actors (who were so careless as to appear in public at their own funeral, no less) instead of just claiming the shooter was a government agent, or under mind control, or both.
    That’s an aspect that seems to distinguish contemporary right-wing conspiracy theories from older ones (though the Moon landing would also qualify).

  76. avatar
    Slartibartfast August 25, 2014 at 5:46 am #

    Magic M,

    I disagree—ALL conspiracy theories reject simple explanations. Especially “simple” in the sense of Ockham’s razor (i.e. those with the fewest assumptions). This is because, invariably, the simple assumption is the one that they are trying to avoid at all costs.

  77. avatar
    bovril August 25, 2014 at 6:42 am #

    What tends to happen over time with guano CT’ers is the CT initially starts off simple minded and relatively straightforward but as it gets debunked, more and more layers get added to cover up the lack of factual basis.

    This almost inevitably leads to the general get out that the eponymous “THEY did it, have total control of the government and media and any debunker is part of the cabal of evil.

    As a side effect of the continuing layering AND the fundamentalist belief mind set, the shrinking group of CT’ers will start to schism ending up with a spread of competing “theories”…… See my comment passim, Whenever 2 or 3 birthers get together, 4 or 5 mutually exclusive theories will be aired and fought over….

  78. avatar
    Slartibartfast August 25, 2014 at 7:13 am #

    Bovril,

    I believe that the deterioration of consensus that you describe is a defining characteristic of conspiratorial thinking. While rational people easily identify a common set of facts and their logical implications, CTers continually require new assumptions to explain away contradictions. Like adding epicycles to the geocentric model of the solar system these only lead to more problems which begins a viscous cycle. It’s kind of like the mirror universe version of the scientific method—all it needs is the goatee…

  79. avatar
    Bonsall Obot August 25, 2014 at 7:36 am #

    Slartibartfast:

    all it needs is the goatee…

    and the agonizer OH GOD DON’T FORGET THE AGONIZER

  80. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) August 25, 2014 at 7:44 am #

    Slartibartfast: I disagree—ALL conspiracy theories reject simple explanations.

    I think that is a matter of perspective. While the CT explanation is complex to sane people, it usually is simple to the CT believers. (A good example is “God did it” which sounds simple but actually requires believing in a very complex axiom system.)

    Now I agree that complexity arises typically as the result of the need to adjust the CT to changing facts while never dropping the previous assumptions (like “born in Mombasa but not anywhere else in Kenya”), but that doesn’t explain the Sandy Hookers who could’ve simply started (and stayed) with “the shooter secretly worked for the FBI”. I don’t see why they would’ve needed to believe in “nobody died, everything was staged” in the first place. AFAIK those theories started before anyone ever said “look, the dead child is in this photo taken after the shooting”.

    My current theory is that they needed to fit Sandy Hook in with the larger picture of “false flags” where not only the perpetrators are not who they seem but the entire event never really took place – because they believe the government will eventually stage some large-scale event (like the beginning of the TV series “Jericho”) where everything is faked, they have to believe the government is either intent on doing it all the time or on “practicing” for such an event.

  81. avatar
    Dave August 25, 2014 at 10:23 am #

    I have a new candidate for Birther A-Z: Tony Heller (who used to write under the psuedonym Steven Goddard), whose main thing is global warming denialism. (His global warming stuff is the kind that embarrasses the professional denialists with its sheer stupidity.)

    GR has just put up another “I have nothing to post” post rehashing the Acton & Dystel bio, prompted by a Heller blog post. That post is a rehash of a earlier Heller post. An another earlier Heller birther post was also about the Acton & Dystel bio but added several other people mistakenly saying Obama was born in Kenya.

    There are at least a dozen more birther articles on his blog, but I’ll spare you.

  82. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 25, 2014 at 10:36 am #

    Bonsall Obot: and the agonizer OH GOD DON’T FORGET THE AGONIZER

    Be sure to keep fresh batteries on hand though, otherwise this could happen!
    http://youtu.be/KLowMDe85To?t=1m25s

    Slartibartfast:all it needs is the goatee…

    Fun fact, if your prime universe self already has facial hair, then your evil universe counterpart will have a wicked cool scar, an eye-patch, or a combination of both, ala “Brigade Leader” Lethbridge-Stewart!”

  83. avatar
    Sef August 25, 2014 at 2:06 pm #

    Looks like TFB is having a mid-life crisis. Not everyone needs plastic surgery.

  84. avatar
    Sef August 25, 2014 at 2:08 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Fun fact, if your prime universe self already has facial hair, then your evil universe counterpart will have a wicked cool scar, an eye-patch, or a combination of both, ala “Brigade Leader” Lethbridge-Stewart!”

    Kate?

  85. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 25, 2014 at 2:12 pm #

    Sef: Kate?

    No, her Dad. He had an evil double in the serial “Operation Inferno”. The Brig was a much better character than Kate, because he was the stereotypically unflappable British officer. Very much of the “Aliens are invading you say? Oh. Must be Tuesday…*sigh*” type.

  86. avatar
    Curious George August 25, 2014 at 9:26 pm #

    roadburner August 19, 2014 at 4:54 am (Quote) #

    “here´s a theory for you…

    i´m starting to come to the conclusion that the poster at BR `william´ might be financially backing bob

    he claims to be independently wealthy (though claims from behind a keyboard need to be taken with a pinch of salt…or a kilo), and correcting him gets a ban ……,…”

    I think this is a very good observation, as there appears to be a “William” who backs the birther movement with his financial wherewithal. I’ll bet every major Birther player has been helped by “William.”

    Good observation roadburner.

  87. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 26, 2014 at 11:03 am #

    Well, as everyone probably already guessed, Sharon Rondeau has been whinging on a daily basis, about Wacky Walt, and how “unfairly” he was treated! It a amazes me, the sheer amount of time and effort these crazies use up, trying to change the unchangeable.

  88. avatar
    bob August 26, 2014 at 7:40 pm #

    Our old friend H. Brooke Paige, is in an election today. Two, in fact: He’s running to be the democratic nominee for both Vermont’s governor and attorney general.

  89. avatar
    Dave B. August 26, 2014 at 7:54 pm #

    He told one interviewer, “I only do things that I think have a chance for success.” What a nut.
    http://www.reformer.com/localnews/ci_26390015/paige-seeks-both-gov-ag-offices

    bob:
    Our old friend H. Brooke Paige, is in an election today.Two, in fact: He’s running to be the democratic nominee for both Vermont’s governor and attorney general.

  90. avatar
    bob August 26, 2014 at 9:14 pm #

    Dave B.:
    He told one interviewer, “I only do things that I think have a chance for success.”What a nut.

    Tonight is not Paige’s night.

    I hope his wife appreciates skipping a vacation for this.

  91. avatar
    Benji Franklin August 26, 2014 at 9:33 pm #

    Arthur: Based on the comments at B.R.,

    1, Boston Marathon bombings–fake
    2. Sandy Hook–fake
    3. Benghazi–real
    4. Bin Laden–fake
    5. James Foley–fake
    6. Ebola patients–fake
    7. Loretta Fuddy–fake/govt. execution

    I can understand why they would say Bin Laden wasn’t really killed, because they don’t want to deny giving Obama credit, but why, for example, deny the Boston bombings?

    To prove they don’t blame Obama for EVERYTHING! That makes their blaming him for 99.99 % of all evil throughout recorded history ring ever so true!

  92. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater August 26, 2014 at 10:57 pm #

    Benji Franklin: To prove they don’t blame Obama for EVERYTHING!That makes their blaming him for 99.99 % of all evil throughout recorded history ring ever so true!

    Don’t forget the aurora shootings I heard that bandied about as a fake. Ft Hood was real though according to them but carried out by obama himself.

  93. avatar
    Dave B. August 27, 2014 at 10:42 am #

    Well, Ken Bennett and Brooke Paige both went down in flames in their respective primaries. I actually bothered to look Bennett’s results up. He got beat like a dirty rug, and you get to see his face on the Secretary of State’s page while you wait for the results to scroll up:
    http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/AZ/50936/139259/Web01/en/scrolling.html
    Kind of fitting that the guy responsible for an utterly annoying webpage like that gets rejected.

  94. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 27, 2014 at 11:02 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Don’t forget the aurora shootings I heard that bandied about as a fake.Ft Hood was real though according to them but carried out by obama himself.

    Someday, a tragedy like that could end up happening in some birther’s neck of the woods. It’ll be all too real to them, but their peers will still chant “There were not victims, just actors! False flag! False flag!”

  95. avatar
    justlw August 27, 2014 at 11:59 am #

    Slightly OT ODS (classic edition): I’d never heard this until now, but did you know that candidate Obama promised to never take a vacation?

    …if you have the reading/listening comprehension skills of, well, a birther, that is.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/11/flashback-obama-promises-no-vacations-for-himself-as-president-video/

  96. avatar
    Arthur August 27, 2014 at 2:14 pm #

    Here’s an update on the killing of John Crawford, III, the young black man who was shot dead in an Ohio Walmart while holding a pellet gun that he was apparently going to purchase

    “Video Shows Police ‘Shot On Sight’ At Black Man Carrying Toy Gun In Ohio Walmart”

    “Crawford had picked the gun up in the store’s toy department, Ohio is an open carry state, and he was doing nothing wrong – but police say that he ignored their commands to drop the weapon. The person who called them, a former marine, said Crawford ‘looked like he was going to go violently.’

    “However, surveillance footage tells a different story, according to attorney Michael Wright. The video has not been released to the public, but Attorney General Mike Dewine allowed the lawyer and Crawford’s family to view the footage.

    “‘John was doing nothing wrong in Walmart, nothing more, nothing less than shopping,’ Wright said. He explained that the video showed Crawford facing away from officers, talking on the phone, and leaning on the toy gun like a cane. He was allegedly ‘shot on sight’ in a ‘militaristic’ police response.

    “‘The BB gun was in a down position,’ Wright said. “He was kinda using the BB gun as what it looked like was a crutch. He was just leaning on it. And at some point, he raised it up and he was shot and killed. At no point in time was he facing the officers. At no point in time was there any type of suggestive movements or anything like that.'”

    It’s too bad Crawford wasn’t an old white guy, carrying a loaded automatic rifle, and shouting obscenities. He’d still be alive. Hell, he might even be on Fox News.

  97. avatar
    gorefan August 27, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

    People waiting for the BOTG report for Taitz v. Johnson should not forget Neil B. Turner will be on Mike Volin’s show today.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2014/08/28/neil-b-turner-to-discuss-obamas-eligibility-and-forgeries