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There will be pudding?

Orly Taitz gets her next day in court this Wednesday in the immigration/Ebola case Taitz v. Johnson. I was surprised today to see a witness list submitted by the government today. The list is comprised of 5 persons (two by prior testimony) including Miguel Escobedo, M.D., M.P.H, Quarantine Medical Officer, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The government also submitted a list of exhibits that inform the Court on procedures for screening immigrant children for disease, advisory information and a CV for Dr. Escobedo. Taitz still has not submitted a witness list.

Taitz on the other hand has filed a 38-page brief in opposition to the motion to dismiss asserting “This court has vast powers to deny admission of aliens.” Taitz’s epidemiological expert, Vera Dolan, provides a second affidavit that to my mind is pretty much junk science based on the post hoc fallacy when it comes to showing why Taitz got a cough. It works in the D68 virus even though Taitz wasn’t diagnosed with this, nor has it been shown that Latin American immigrant children are infected with it. Also, it is infants, children, and teenagers who are most likely to contract the virus. Oh, and Dolan says Ebola is transmitted by sneezing (with a little medical literature to back that up).

Please except my apologies for omitting the John Snow cholera map which is required in any book, presentation or article touching on epidemiology. What Snow showed was that cholera cases clustered around a public water pump, pointing to the pump as a source of infection.

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35 Responses to There will be pudding?

  1. avatar
    Thinker (mobile) October 27, 2014 at 8:18 pm #

    Like any responsible attorney prosecuting a serious case, Taitz has asked her flying monkeys to suggest questions for her to ask the government witnesses. I can’t think of a more qualified pool of questioners than a bunch of barely literate racists who believe laughable nonsense like Barack Obama being secretly foreign and Orly Taitz being sane.

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    Kate1230 October 27, 2014 at 9:29 pm #

    Taitz, in asking her FM’s to supply her with questions to ask of the witnesses, obviously has forgotten that whatever is asked must be limited to what is covered in direct. In the first hearing most of the questioning of the gov’t witnesses was done by the Judge in this case upon realization of Taitz’s incompetence.

    After reading her amended complaint and the second affidavit of Vera Dolan, I don’t see anything that would lead anyone to believe that Taitz was harmed by a specific party since there isn’t even a working diagnosis to evaluate. She doesn’t link Taitz to a specific client yet wants to claim that an URI could only have been transmitted by an illegal alien despite the fact that Taitz could have picked it up anywhere. I would think Dolan should be there for the hearing although Taitz has used affidavits quite liberally in the past believing they are more than enough to prove whatever nonsense it is she is trying to persuade the courts to accept as truth.

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    Keith October 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm #

    The list is comprised of 5 persons (two by prior testimony) including Miguel Escobedo, M.D. M.P.H, Quarantine Medical Officer, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Stacking the invoice for a costs award?

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    JPotter October 27, 2014 at 11:50 pm #

    Pudding and pancakes, yum.

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    Thinker (mobile) October 28, 2014 at 1:11 am #

    I doubt it. The government doesn’t really seem to be paying attention to Taitz much at all in this. If they were, they would have moved to strike her improper supplemental filing and strike at least part of her response to their motion to dismiss, the part that asked for things that she didn’t ask for in her amended complaint. I think this is between the government lawyers and the judge. As she so often is, I think Taitz is just nuisance. But she’s too much of a narcissist to know that.

    Keith: Stacking the invoice for a costs award?

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    Rickey October 28, 2014 at 2:01 am #

    I have read many affidavits over the years, but I don’t recall ever reading an affidavit which is so replete with hearsay and conclusory opinions as the one which has been offered by Vera Dolan. Not only has Dolan not met with Orly, she apparently hasn’t even reviewed Orly medical records. Dolan says “I rely on her statements and her Internal Medicine doctor’s diagnosis” but it appears that the only information she has about Orly’s “diagnosis” is what Orly has told her.

    Dolan also admits that she has passed a Daubert challenge only in regard to calculating life expectancy, so it is fair to conclude that she has never qualified as an expert in epidemiology.

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    Thinker (mobile) October 28, 2014 at 4:46 am #

    There are many things wrong with that affidavit, but I think the best thing about it is that Vera starts out by describing her experience and expertise, and leaves no doubt in the mind of the reader that she is completely unqualified to give an expert opinion on the issues in this lawsuit. And then, as if that isn’t enough to convince us she’s completely unqualified, she quotes from an introductory epidemiology text. It’s a type of FAIL that we don’t see much among the general population, but that we see all the time among birthers.

    Rickey:
    Dolan also admits that she has passed a Daubert challenge only in regard to calculating life expectancy, so it is fair to conclude that she has never qualified as an expert in epidemiology.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) October 28, 2014 at 6:22 am #

    Rickey: I don’t recall ever reading an affidavit which is so replete with hearsay and conclusory opinions as the one which has been offered by Vera Dolan

    Did you forget the Zullo affidavit? 😉

  9. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 28, 2014 at 6:48 am #

    It was just last week that I learned that in British English the word “pudding” can refer to any dessert. The reference in the title refers to some possible entertainment from the CDC epidemiologist demolishing Taitz’ allegation.

    JPotter:
    Pudding and pancakes, yum.

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    RanTalbott October 28, 2014 at 6:56 am #

    “This court has vast powers to deny admission of aliens.”

    Sounds like a line out of a porn flick: “Ooooo, Judge, your gavel is so-o-o big! And so-o-o hard!”.

  11. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 28, 2014 at 6:59 am #

    Judge Greenfield?

    RanTalbott: Sounds like a line out of a porn flick: “Ooooo, Judge, your gavel is so-o-o big! And so-o-o hard!”.

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    Keith October 28, 2014 at 7:09 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: It was just last week that I learned that in British English the word “pudding” can refer to any dessert.

    Yes, but you do have to eat your meat.

  13. avatar
    roadburner October 28, 2014 at 7:15 am #

    Keith: Yes, but you do have to eat your meat.

    you beat me to it!

  14. avatar
    Bob October 28, 2014 at 8:22 am #

    If you’re going to read Vera’s affidavit plan on taking a shower afterward.

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    RanTalbott October 28, 2014 at 8:34 am #

    Bob: f you’re going to read Vera’s affidavit plan on taking a shower afterward.

    With Betadine?

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    JPotter October 28, 2014 at 9:19 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: It was just last week that I learned that in British English the word “pudding” can refer to any dessert.

    Based on what I had seen, I thought the British called anything edible a pudding … and plenty of inedible things as well.

    Except, of course, meat!

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    Tomtech October 28, 2014 at 10:04 pm #

    Orly Taitz submitted her witness list which consists of herself and her new BFF, Epidemiologist Vera Dolan.

  18. avatar
    Kate1230 October 28, 2014 at 10:47 pm #

    Whatever happened to her border patrol guards that wanted to testify, according to Taitz? It looks like we’ll have a replay of Georgia where she’ll question herself and then answer on the witness stand. SMDH! (Facepalm)

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    Tomtech October 29, 2014 at 12:05 am #

    Kate1230:
    Whatever happened to her border patrol guards that wanted to testify? (Facepalm)

    The Border Patrol nixed that by severely limiting what they could say.

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    welsh dragon October 29, 2014 at 12:29 am #

    JPotter: Except, of course, meat!

    Wot, no steak and kidney pudding?

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    Rickey October 29, 2014 at 2:42 am #

    Reporter Emma Perez-Trevino posted this on her Facebook page a few hours ago:

    Tomorrow I will be in federal court in Brownsville at a hearing on California attny/ Dr. Orly Taitz’s request to keep undocumented immigrants in South Texas because they carry piojos and all sorts of diseases.

    https://www.facebook.com/staremma.pereztrevino?fref=nf

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    Keith October 29, 2014 at 5:44 am #

    JPotter: Based on what I had seen, I thought the British called anything edible a pudding … and plenty of inedible things as well.

    Except, of course, meat!

    Also, there is something called ‘tea’ which is always eaten in the evening.

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    The Magic M October 29, 2014 at 5:52 am #

    Keith: there is something called ‘tea’ which is always eaten in the evening

    With milk! *eww*

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    RanTalbott October 29, 2014 at 6:10 am #

    As long as we’re getting silly … This is what Google’s ad algorithm served up along with the “new comment” email for this posting (URLs removed):

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    Great British food online
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    And, yes, the first URL actually did have “/Ebola” at the end of the URL. Though not in the domain name: I’m guessing they cater to preppers, have been around a while, and saw this as an opportunity to scare customers into buying more hermetically-sealed barrels of beans-n-dessicant.

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    Rickey October 29, 2014 at 11:45 am #

    Vera Dolan showed up for the hearing in Brownsville and Judge Hanen is allowing her to testify.

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    RanTalbott October 29, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

    Rickey: and Judge Hanen is allowing her to testify.

    Does that mean that she’s been accepted as an “expert”?

    There doesn’t seem to be a uniform rule about this: Malihi allowed Vogt and Irey to testify, then ruled “Your experts weren’t really experts”, but they were kept from testifying in another case I read about. I thought it was because they weren’t “experts”, but maybe I was mistaken.

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    Rickey October 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm #

    According to the reporter “Judge Hanen recognized her as an expert in epidemiology.” Dolan currently is testifying about Ebola.

    The government objected to conducting a hearing before the issue of standing was resolved, but Hanen overruled the objection. Hanen clearly has his own agenda here.

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    Keith October 29, 2014 at 1:56 pm #

    The Magic M: With milk! *eww*

    No, no. You misunderstand. Tea is EATEN, not drunk.

    Mother will yell out the back door, “Johnnie!, come in here and eat yer tea”!

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    roadburner October 29, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

    Rickey:
    According to the reporter “Judge Hanen recognized her as an expert in epidemiology.” Dolan currently is testifying about Ebola.

    The government objected to conducting a hearing before the issue of standing was resolved, but Hanen overruled the objection. Hanen clearly has his own agenda here.

    whoa!….does this mean oily MIGHT actually get a victory by being spoon fed by her cherry picked judge?

    i wait with bated breath…..

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    Dr. Conspiracy October 29, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Some bits are filtering in about the hearing. Vera Dolan testified and now Dr. Escobedo is testifying.

    http://thefogbow.com/forum/topic/7116-taitz-v-johnson-sd-texas-taitzs-immigration-folly/page-145#entry587816

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    bob October 29, 2014 at 5:33 pm #

    RanTalbott: Does that mean that she’s been accepted as an “expert”?

    There doesn’t seem to be a uniform rule about this: Malihi allowed Vogt and Irey to testify, then ruled “Your experts weren’t really experts”, but they were kept from testifying in another case I read about. I thought it was because they weren’t “experts”, but maybe I was mistaken.

    Vogt testified in Georgia; Irey didn’t. The judge’s ruling in that case basically found all of Taitz’s witnesses to be unbelievable.

    IIRC, Irey testified in Indiana, but the judge struck his testimony and then dismissed.

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    gorefan October 29, 2014 at 6:22 pm #

    bob: IIRC, Irey testified in Indiana, but the judge struck his testimony and then dismissed

    And she wrote in her opinion (IIRC her rubber stamped opinion):

    “Mr. Irey, over the objections of the State Defendants, was found to be an expert in type-setting only and was accepted as an expert on that topic only. See also Hannan v. Pest Control Services, Inc. 734 N.E. 2d. 674, 679 (Ind. Ct. App. 2000) (an expert in one field of expertise cannot offer opinion in other fields absent a requisite showing of competency in that field”). Further, plaintiffs offered no evidence that the principles upon which he was testifying are reliable or used by others in the field or peer reviewed in any way, shape, or form. See Ind. R. Evid. 702(b) (expert testimony only admissible where the proponent demonstrates that the scientific principles upon which the expert testimony rest are reliable”); Steward v. State, 652 N. E. 2d 490, 498 (Ind. 1995).”

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 29, 2014 at 8:37 pm #

    Valley Morning Star reporter Emma Perez-Terveño will have an article on the Taitz hearing tomorrow, and has made comments on Facebook today:

    https://www.facebook.com/staremma.pereztrevino

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    The Magic M October 30, 2014 at 6:46 am #

    roadburner: does this mean oily MIGHT actually get a victory by being spoon fed by her cherry picked judge?

    Almost makes you wish she will, because then she will inevitably file her plethora of birther suits with this judge, believing she’s finally found her “one honest judge”. It would be a fitting punishment for a judge willing to entertain Orly’s crazy.

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    The Magic M October 30, 2014 at 6:51 am #

    Article is up:

    http://www.valleymorningstar.com/premium/article_dc6706a6-5fdd-11e4-9f96-001a4bcf6878.html

    Money quote:

    “Why are we here if you find there is nothing you can do?” Taitz asked Hanen amid his observations. “We are here because you filed a lawsuit,” Hanen told her. “I’ll let you question the witness Dr. Taitz, not me,” he added.

    Does not sound to me like he’s sympathetic to her cause, even if he were hypothetically looking for a reason to grandstand.