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There was a time when on any slow news day I could go to Orly Taitz’ web site and find some crazy birther thing to write about. Those days are over. Nowadays Taitz is more likely to be talking about Ebola, Muslims, conservative candidates, impeachment or gays—and more than those: immigrants. Taitz wants illegals out of the country, and free trade agreements canceled.

The latest from her in immigration is the claim that next week, Obama is going to issue an executive order implementing some kind of amnesty. Here’s her headline:

Obama to announce theft of some 5 million jobs from American cities, aiding and abetting invasion, committing treason. Call every member of Congress, demand immediate impeachment and removal from office of Indo-Kenyan usurper Obama

Where does she get such crazy ideas?

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President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action — including suspending deportations for millions — as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News.

The president’s plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval.

Fox News 13 November 2014 (citing anonymous sources)

Taitz didn’t accurately characterize the Fox story that she cited, and the plan (assuming Fox is right) is for deferred deportation, not amnesty.

Whatever your take on immigration policy, the fact is that a dysfunctional Congress puts more power in the hands of the President.

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52 Responses to Amnesty conspiracy

  1. avatar
    john November 15, 2014 at 10:04 am #

    Believe it or not, I would support such an action by Obama. You want round up 5 millions illegals in this country and deport them, knock yourself out and GOOD LUCK. Obama is of course eliminating the Symptom of the disease and not the cause. The problem is not with the illegals who are already here, the problem here is with border security. You can grant citizenship to 5 millions illegals TODAY but there will be 10 million illegals TOMORROW. Don’t fix the symptom, eliminate the cause of the disease.

    I for one would support a 1 to 2 mile deadline on either side of the border. Unless you entering from any heavily guarded checkpoint, you will be shot on sight, no questions asked; its a deadline.

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    Bob November 15, 2014 at 11:13 am #

    People want cheap labor and with that comes a few criminals, a few sick and injured people, and a few new baby Americans. Republicans never want to acknowledge that or deal with that but they want the cheap labor so for them the best solution is inaction. They want the status quo while at the same time using this imperfect system as a political weapon against Democrats.

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    sfjeff November 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm #

    In my opinion, neither side really wants to solve the illegal immigration issue- it is an issue that excite the base on both sides

    That being said, I am opposed to Obama taking any drastic action by EO- it should be done by Congress.

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    CarlOrcas November 15, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

    john: I for one would support a 1 to 2 mile deadline on either side of the border. Unless you entering from any heavily guarded checkpoint, you will be shot on sight, no questions asked; its a deadline.

    What a great idea, john.

    Tell us just how you would make it work: The U.S. has nearly 20,000 miles of borders and coastlines.

    The longest border is with Canada……5,500 miles. I suspect you’d need a guard (shooting) tower every two or three hundred yards. What do you think?

    What kind of weapon do you see the border folks using? In any case that would be nearly 32,000 towers on the Canadian border alone. Check my math: 28,600,000 feet divided by 900 feet (only real sharpshooters allowed) and you get 31,778 towers. Right?

    Mexican border is much shorter…..just 1,933 miles. You do the math.

    The real challenge for you is going to be our coastlines…..nearly 13,000 miles of them and most running through heavily populated areas. Where are you going to put your gun towers in places like Santa Monica, Miami, Galveston….you get the idea.

    Oh wait……I bet you’re thinking we only need your shoot to kill towers on the border where mostly brown people cross, right?

    So…..now we’re down to under 12,000 shoot to kill towers. Whew…..had me worried for a minute. I thought you were talking about some crazy unworkable idea.

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 15, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

    And if you needed people to do the shooting, I’m sure recruiting at Birther Report would yield ample candidates.

    john: I for one would support a 1 to 2 mile deadline on either side of the border. Unless you entering from any heavily guarded checkpoint, you will be shot on sight, no questions asked; its a deadline.

  6. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 15, 2014 at 12:32 pm #

    Land mines, Carl, land mines.

    CarlOrcas: Tell us just how you would make it work: The U.S. has nearly 20,000 miles of borders and coastlines.

  7. avatar
    CarlOrcas November 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Land mines, Carl, land mines.

    Land mines on Santa Monica and Malibu beaches!! I like it.

    Vigilant patriots could then just stand up on the bluff (at Santa Monica) and pick off the folks who make it through the mine field (hopefully before they get to PCH) and the glitterati could sit on the decks on Malibu and pick them off there.

    It might be a little more difficult in land locked cities along the border…..like Calexico, Douglas, El Paso, or Detroit.

    Great idea!!

  8. avatar
    Dave November 15, 2014 at 2:03 pm #

    I somehow feel the need to mention that the only governments I have ever heard of implementing a policy of shooting people attempting to cross the border are the Communists.

  9. avatar
    Greenfinches November 15, 2014 at 3:18 pm #

    john: deadline</blockqu

    you mean a line you cross and you are dead? 'deadline' I see more as a question of time, a payment deadline etc. But then I don't speak birther or conspiracy well.

    Be precise,John, so them illegals know what you mean!

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    Greenfinches November 15, 2014 at 3:19 pm #

    and what is this Indo-Kenyan bit of Orly’s? Double blackness?

  11. avatar
    Woodrowfan November 15, 2014 at 4:11 pm #

    why is it the righties that rant about freedom and government tyranny so much also seem to want us to copy East German’s border policies.

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 15, 2014 at 4:36 pm #

    I think he means “kill zone.”

    Greenfinches: you mean a line you cross and you are dead?

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    Rickey November 15, 2014 at 5:14 pm #

    sfjeff:

    That being said, I am opposed to Obama taking any drastic action by EO- it should be done by Congress.

    One thing we have learned from Taitz v. Johnson is that the executive branch has been granted pretty much unlimited discretion about whether to detain or deport undocumented aliens. The Immigration and Nationality Act states:

    The Attorney General’s discretionary judgment regarding the application of this section shall not be subject to review. No court may set aside any action or decision by the Attorney General under this section regarding the detention or release of any alien or the grant, revocation, or denial of bond or parole.

    That said, I expect that Obama’s “amnesty” will be more limited that the fearmongers on the right are predicting.

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    The European November 15, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

    Dave:
    I somehow feel the need to mention that the only governments I have ever heard of implementing a policy of shooting people attempting to cross the border are the Communists.

    For those who wanted to leave the country ……..

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    Paul November 15, 2014 at 6:11 pm #

    Dave:
    I somehow feel the need to mention that the only governments I have ever heard of implementing a policy of shooting people attempting to cross the border are the Communists.

    And THEY were shooting people trying to get OUT

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    Keith (not logged on) November 15, 2014 at 7:27 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think he means “kill zone.”

    The word deadline originates from the civil war and unfenced POW camps. Do what you like but don’t cross the line. Or else.

  17. avatar
    OllieOxenFree November 15, 2014 at 8:45 pm #

    john: I for one would support a 1 to 2 mile deadline on either side of the border. Unless you entering from any heavily guarded checkpoint, you will be shot on sight, no questions asked; its a deadline.

    Are you insane? I have to ask this question in all seriousness because no rational person would ever support this as a good policy for the United States to adopt. Living in Texas, I think even my most conservative of friends and neighbors would denounce such an irrational and absurdly stupid suggestion.

    That would be great foreign publicity for the U.S. A picture of a bullet ridden woman and child lying on the ground with the headlines, “Mother and Child Shot Dead by Border Guard While Trying to Cross U.S. ‘Deadline.'”

    What on earth is the matter with you?

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    john November 15, 2014 at 8:58 pm #

    OllieOxenFree: Are you insane? I have to ask this question in all seriousness because no rational person would ever support this as a good policy for the United States to adopt.Living in Texas, I think even my most conservative of friends and neighbors would denounce such an irrational and absurdly stupid suggestion.

    That would be great foreign publicity for the U.S.A picture of a bullet ridden woman and child lying on the ground with the headlines, “Mother and Child Shot Dead by Border Guard While Trying to Cross U.S. ‘Deadline.’”

    What on earth is the matter with you?

    Yes, it does sound crazy but unless the drastic measures are taken, the problem will never be solved. The border is 2000 miles long and they coming over, more and more everyday. If a Deadline were to be established parties on both sides would know to stay way – it’s a forbidden zone, don’t cross.

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    john November 15, 2014 at 9:01 pm #

    OllieOxenFree: Are you insane? I have to ask this question in all seriousness because no rational person would ever support this as a good policy for the United States to adopt.Living in Texas, I think even my most conservative of friends and neighbors would denounce such an irrational and absurdly stupid suggestion.

    That would be great foreign publicity for the U.S.A picture of a bullet ridden woman and child lying on the ground with the headlines, “Mother and Child Shot Dead by Border Guard While Trying to Cross U.S. ‘Deadline.’”

    What on earth is the matter with you?

    In the Civil War, the Andersonville Prison Camp had a Deadline to insure no one tried to escape. Anyone crossing the deadline was shot dead instantly, no questions asked. Prisoners knew to stay away from the deadline. It was about 50 feet from all the walls. Some tried to tunnel under the walls, but most were unsuccessful.

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    gorefan November 15, 2014 at 9:18 pm #

    john: The border is 2000 miles long

    How many watch towers? Spaced how far apart? How many armed guards would it take? How much would it cost?

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    john November 15, 2014 at 9:23 pm #

    gorefan: How many watch towers?Spaced how far apart? How many armed guards would it take?How much would it cost?

    It would biggest federal project ever done. In 1200s Great Wall of China was built at 2500 miles long with a sentry post about 1 mile apart. With our technology and resources today, we could better.

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    Arthur November 15, 2014 at 10:19 pm #

    john: The border is 2000 miles long and they coming over, more and more everyday.

    I’ll take a hundred Hispanic immigrants yearning to breathe free over one racist, seditionist, birther, whose vision for America would resemble Stalin’s Russia.

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    CarlOrcas November 15, 2014 at 10:57 pm #

    john: In the Civil War, the Andersonville Prison Camp had a Deadline to insure no one tried to escape.Anyone crossing the deadline was shot dead instantly, no questions asked.Prisoners knew to stay away from the deadline.It was about 50 feet from all the walls.Some tried to tunnel under the walls, but most were unsuccessful.

    The results are in folks and it’s confirmed, beyond any doubt………john is absolutely batshit crazy.

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    RanTalbott November 15, 2014 at 11:11 pm #

    john: In the Civil War, the Andersonville Prison Camp had a Deadline to insure no one tried to escape.

    john: In 1200s Great Wall of China was built at 2500

    Typical ignorance: you’re off by more than 1000 years. The work in the Ming Dynasty was only one of several renovations and extensions of the original wall built by China’s first emperor.

    I think it’s telling that you picked as the models for your scheme:
    a. What were (plural, because there were several Andersonville equivalents on both sides), arguably, the closest the U.S. has ever come to the Nazis’ death camps, and
    b. A project by an emperor who used slave labor, and routinely had people tortured to death for “crimes” like owning books he had banned and not doing a good enough job building his terra cotta army.

    But, hey, I’d be the last person to try to stifle innovative solutions. So I suggest you promote this idea with a speaking tour. Here’s a rough starting intinerary, guaranteed to gets you lots of “feedback”:

    San Diego
    Calexico
    Nogales
    Naco
    El Paso
    Laredo
    Hidalgo
    Brownsville

    Let me know when you’re passing through Cochise County: my biggest client’s ranch abuts the border, and my on-site office is less than 1000 feet from Mexico. I’ll be sure to wave as you go by. But don’t worry: we don’t shoot people on sight around here. Not even seditious idiots.

  25. avatar
    Dave B. November 16, 2014 at 12:40 am #

    That’s just sick, and beneath contempt.

    john: I for one would support a 1 to 2 mile deadline on either side of the border. Unless you entering from any heavily guarded checkpoint, you will be shot on sight, no questions asked; its a deadline.

  26. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG November 16, 2014 at 12:47 am #

    john: I for one would support a 1 to 2 mile deadline on either side of the border.

    That’s because you’re a sick, sad piece of irredeemable human garbage. If FEMA camps were a real thing, I know I’d sleep better at night knowing you were locked away in the darkest corner of one.

    A long time ago, we had facilities where we kept our criminally insane locked away from the general public, but then some Republican movie star President did away with them. Thanks a lot, Reagan!

  27. avatar
    Rickey November 16, 2014 at 1:02 am #

    Under a best case scenario, it is estimated that a fence covering the entire U.S.-Mexico border would reduce illegal immigration by only 50%, at a whopping cost of $100 billion. And that does not include the human cost of killing everyone who crosses John’s deadline.

    40% of all undocumented aliens come to the U.S. legally but never leave. A fence would do nothing to stem the tide of those people.

    A fence along our southern border would have enormous environmental consequences regarding the Rio Grande. A fence would impede natural drainage and would contribute to flooding, debris bulld-up, etc. Not to mention the impact on water rights – building John’s fence would violate the 1944 US-Mexico Water Treaty.

  28. avatar
    Rickey November 16, 2014 at 1:12 am #

    john:

    I for one would support a 1 to 2 mile deadline on either side of the border.Unless you entering from any heavily guarded checkpoint, you will be shot on sight, no questions asked; its a deadline.

    Do you even realize that much of the city of El Paso would be within your deadline? My brother’s family lived in El Paso for many years and their house was less than a mile from the Rio Grande. In fact, a long stretch of I-10 would be entirely within your deadline.

    Of all the stupid things you have said on this blog over the years, this may be the dumbest.

  29. avatar
    Color Me Skeptical November 16, 2014 at 2:01 am #

    I think we gotta wait to see what Obama does and what the re-puke-licans do before we know whether it’s a conspiracy worthy of Dr. Conspiracy’s attention or not.

    Just sayin’.

  30. avatar
    Steve November 16, 2014 at 2:08 am #

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/adriana_cohen/2014/11/adriana_cohen_amnesty_plan_just_another_political_move

    These people can’t seem to make up their minds on if the immigrants want to take our jobs or get free stuff.
    They also seem to think they’re committing voter fraud and it’s the only way Democrats can win.
    Funny, I thought this President was on pace to deport more than the previous one, but to hear these people you’d think nobody has been deported in the last six years.

  31. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 16, 2014 at 7:48 am #

    I think John’s comment crossed the line.

    Keith (not logged on): The word deadline originates from the civil war and unfenced POW camps. Do what you like but don’t cross the line. Or else.

  32. avatar
    SvenMagnussen November 16, 2014 at 8:11 am #

    Obama preparing for America 2.0

    U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service on October 6, stated that the agency would be “posting a solicitation for the requirement of Card Stock,” with the objective to provide “card consumables for the Document Management Division that will be used to produce Permanent Resident Cards and Employment Authorization Documentation Cards.”

    “The requirement is for an estimated 4 million cards annually with the potential to buy as many as 34 million cards total,” stated the plan. “The ordering periods for this requirement shall be for a total of five years.”

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 16, 2014 at 9:15 am #

    Yes, the nut jobs have been circulating this bit of context-free information on the Internet of late to make the suggestion that Obama is going to grant amnesty to 34 million illegal immigrants. The rumor takes various forms.

    It’s not true of course. The card stock is for a new and more secure card that will be a replacement for some existing cards (of which there are currently 54 million) and new cards (which were about 1.6 million in 2012) plus a possible increase should Congress pass immigration reform.

    Read the article at Snopes.com:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/greencards.asp

    SvenMagnussen:
    Obama preparing for America 2.0

    U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service on October 6, stated that the agency would be “posting a solicitation for the requirement of Card Stock,” with the objective to provide “card consumables for the Document Management Division that will be used to produce Permanent Resident Cards and Employment Authorization Documentation Cards.”

    “The requirement is for an estimated 4 million cards annually with the potential to buy as many as 34 million cards total,” stated the plan. “The ordering periods for this requirement shall be for a total of five years.”

  34. avatar
    Dave B. November 16, 2014 at 9:35 am #

    It’s not often you come across somebody so lowdown they can look up to Andersonville as an example.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think John’s comment crossed the line.

  35. avatar
    Keith November 16, 2014 at 12:55 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think John’s comment crossed the line.

    For sure.

  36. avatar
    Joey November 16, 2014 at 1:26 pm #

    SvenMagnussen:
    Obama preparing for America 2.0

    There is still only one U.S. President who ever actually signed an amnesty bill for (3 million) illegal aliens into law. That president was Ronald Reagan in 1986.

  37. avatar
    Andrew Morris November 16, 2014 at 1:41 pm #

    Remind me how Orly immigrated to the US…

  38. avatar
    Andrew Morris November 16, 2014 at 1:43 pm #

    Funny thing about those free trade agreements is that it’s usually the Democrats who are most opposed to them. Maybe that because, according to OrlyMath, more than 60% of Americans of working age (20-65) are unemployed.

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    CarlOrcas November 16, 2014 at 3:12 pm #

    Joey: There is still only one U.S. President who ever actually signed an amnesty bill for (3 million) illegal aliens into law. That president was Ronald Reagan in 1986.

    It looks like George H.W. Bush also did it……that’s two out of the last three Republican Presidents……with nary a whimper from their brethren.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bush-reagan-immigration-orders

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    Joey November 16, 2014 at 4:06 pm #

    CarlOrcas: It looks like George H.W. Bush also did it……that’s two out of the last three Republican Presidents……with nary a whimper from their brethren.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bush-reagan-immigration-orders

    In my humble opinion, preventing deportations is not the same thing as signing a bill into law which is an affirmative grant of Permanent Resident Alien (green card) status.

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    CarlOrcas November 16, 2014 at 4:55 pm #

    Joey: In my humble opinion, preventing deportations is not the same thing as signing a bill into law which is an affirmative grant of Permanent Resident Alien (green card) status.

    True. But, as the story notes, both Reagan and Bush used executive orders to protect several million people who fell through the cracks after the 1968 rewrite of the immigration laws. Again…..no problem.

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    Rickey November 16, 2014 at 5:00 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Yes, the nut jobs have been circulating this bit of context-free information on the Internet of late to make the suggestion that Obama is going to grant amnesty to 34 million illegal immigrants. The rumor takes various forms.

    It’s not true of course. The card stock is for a new and more secure card that will be a replacement for some existing cards (of which there are currently 54 million) and new cards (which were about 1.6 million in 2012) plus a possible increase should Congress pass immigration reform.

    Read the article at Snopes.com:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/greencards.asp

    Please don’t confuse Sven by providing him with facts. Facts give him headaches.

  43. avatar
    Woodrowfan November 16, 2014 at 5:40 pm #

    the people who rant about President Obama being a “tyrant” are the same ones proposing we copy the real tyrannies of the world. If I had an irony meter it’d be broken by now.

  44. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 16, 2014 at 7:56 pm #

    Or cite Dred Scott as precedent.

    Dave B.: It’s not often you come across somebody so lowdown they can look up to Andersonville as an example.

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    Dave B. November 16, 2014 at 8:25 pm #

    David Farrar went so far as to admit to me that Justice Daniel’s concurrence, which he LOVES to cite, is “tinged with racism.” Like David’s tinged with the dumbass, I suppose.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Or cite Dred Scott as precedent.

  46. avatar
    Northland10 November 16, 2014 at 9:37 pm #

    Taitz wants illegals out of the country, and free trade agreements canceled.

    Taitz, and John’s little armed border comment above, forgot one minor detail. Somebody has to pay for it. They hate taxes and I doubt Orly would like to see her shopping prices go through the roof (not just immigrant labor, we import heavily as well).

    At least Taitz is consistent in shooting her funding in the foot. She screams about government spending and think they should be almost none, forgetting that her husband’s company as government contracts.

    She is just another self-absorbed taker.

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    Sam the Centipede November 16, 2014 at 10:45 pm #

    As you say Northland, someone would have to pay for it but the racist nutters wouldn’t want to pay a lot for their fence and guards.

    So it would have to be done on the cheap, by using undocumented immigrant labor.

    Oh wait…

  48. avatar
    jdkinpa November 16, 2014 at 10:54 pm #

    FYI…

    Executive Orders.

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    Keith November 17, 2014 at 12:35 am #

    Keith: GOP Lie Debunked: Every President Since Eisenhower Used Executive Authority On Immigration

    That was supposed to be a hyper link to the source of my quote; let me try again:

    GOP Lie Debunked: Every President Since Eisenhower Used Executive Authority On Immigration

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    Joey November 17, 2014 at 12:45 am #

    CarlOrcas: True. But, as the story notes, both Reagan and Bush used executive orders to protect several million people who fell through the cracks after the 1968 rewrite of the immigration laws. Again…..no problem.

    i will be using those historical facts in my cyber-conversations with conservatives but Reagan signing amnesty REALLY gets their goat! They immediately say: “and he regretted it later…” Even there is no proof that he regretted it.

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    J.D. Sue November 17, 2014 at 11:46 am #

    john: Yes, it does sound crazy but unless the drastic measures are taken, the problem will never be solved.

    —-
    So, in other words, you are proposing a “final solution”…