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Journeys among the birthers: comments at BR

I have been spending a great deal of time at Birther Report™ lately, commenting, but mainly looking at others’ comments over the past 5 weeks. I don’t mean to say that I have read all of them—that would a huge task, and a lot to stomach. It is an active site with several “new” articles daily.

Birther Report carries advertising and I presume that they get enough advertising revenue to make it important to them. Advertising revenue runs on traffic, and I believe that comments are a big driver of their traffic, and I suspect that one of the reasons that they let me post there is because I get a lot of responses when I post; however, my recent sojourn has taught me that I had a false impression of what they allow at BR, thinking that I was the token Obot, when in fact there are several reasonable, fact-based commenters there who take exception to the birther line and some seem to get their piece said without being deleted. At least one name you would recognize, and several others I haven’t a clue about. I won’t post names so as not to generate publicity that might jeopardize their status.

I got one reply today from SirenDrake that I have made the Quote of the Day. It said:

If you, Foggy, and your cohorts would shut up and go away, this site would be a model for intelligent, civilized debate and discussion.

 

I suppose that if they could say whatever the wanted, no matter how wrong, without challenge, then the site would be a mutual admiration society, but there is internal disagreement among the usual crew over there, for example between the Sandy Hook False Flag advocates and those who don’t agree with it, and it is not a “model for intelligent, civilized debate and discussion” whether there are “Obots” in the discussion or not. For them, disagreement gets personal; as one said to me: “You need to hang.”

I have come across comments about “Scott” (SKB1978) and “Alycia” that keep appearing and I finally saw more substantive posts on that. The poster Falcon has some vendetta going about some woman that he seems to be stalking and threatening.  I won’t repeat her full name, but Falcon does. He thinks that someone posting as RewriteOurWorld is this Scott person, maybe her, and me, and RC and who knows who else. Just for the record, I do not have any identities at BR except Dr. Conspiracy and that has been true for as long as I can remember. Scott starts at a huge disadvantage because he opposes 9/11 truthers. Falcon went ape dip when someone found a comment he made about RewriteOurWorld at another web site and mentioned it at BR. Falcon clearly didn’t want the name of that site known! The comment itself appears to have been deleted. The whole business is pretty nasty, but not my problem.

While I was searching for something, I stumbled across this remarkable autobiographical comment from Falcon at BR:

I never even got an allowance – I worked in my family’s furniture factory every day after school for 50 cent an hour and got a raise to a dollar when I was nine. I was the only nine year old that had 50 bucks a week but that went to buying my clothes, which got worn out working in the furniture factory.

Thanks to my grandfather – and the risk he took – I had a job. My sister delivered newpapers at 4 am. Allowance – that’s for pussys.

 photo ROWStalking01-02-2015_zps21b107d8.jpgDespite Falcon’s stalking of others, he himself seems deeply paranoid about who is looking at his Intense Debate profile, more than once posting images of it like the one at the right, highlighting his visitors. I think folks visit his profile to just pull his chain. That avatar on the left is for what I think is a relatively new commenter at BR, GerbilFalcon. The image is Mike Zullo behind bars, and I don’t know GerbilFalcon is.

One other thing I have noticed going through comments sequentially is that there are a very large number of comments from people who comment only once, or very infrequently. Some have similar names, like: Mortie, Morty, Maria, Marie, Margie, Marsha, and Melanie—all single names, all starting with “m” and many having comments with a very similar format—short text plus a hyperlink. I think they are sock puppets for someone, and probably just a few out of many. I believe that an Intense Debate admin can view the email and IP address of their commenters, based on a personal anecdote I heard and this from the Intense Debate site: On IntenseDebate, you can automatically flag comments for moderation if they contain a keyword, or are submitted by a specific commenter based on their email address or IP address. If that is the case, then I suppose that the owner of Birther Report knows about all the sock puppets and choses to tolerate them.

Meanwhile, Barry Soetoro, ESQ, has gone utterly wild pasting pictures of what may be Scott (I think from an Intense Debate profile) and me with the occasional Foggy onto all manner of lurid images, including penis costumes and scenes with gerbils. DARPA seems to be a big theme of late too:

Finally, it is possible to read comments, including ones deleted by site owners, through their Intense Debate profile (here’s mine) that crosses all sites where someone posts under the same profile. What is totally maddening with Birther Report is that the Intense Debate profile comments link to the original comment, but these links rarely get even to the correct article at Birther Report, much less to the comment. When the number of replies gets large, all of the nested replies get folded under so you cannot use a browser page search to find a comment without painstakingly expanded each nested group. It is a royal pain to try to find anything in comments on that site, through Intense Debate or through Google. I think most of the BR content, at least comments, is not even indexed by Google. Note: the content between the sister sites BirtherReport.com and ObamaReleaseYourRecords.Blogspot.com is not in sync and you may find information on one, but not the other. I think the dividing point was November 22, 2014, with newer comment at BR and older at ORYR.

It’s difficult for me to keep up with so many personalities at one time, and keep any nuanced view of their personalities, but I know more than I used to.

Update:

I learned one trick that’s useful in finding old BR content. You can enter a URL like this

http://www.obamareleaseyourrecords.com/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=20

To get a list of articles within a specific time range

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24 Responses to Journeys among the birthers: comments at BR

  1. avatar
    alg January 12, 2015 at 10:00 pm #

    Well, the reality is that nothing that takes place at Gerbil Report™ makes one whit of a difference in the real world. The sad part is that none of the despicable participants there understand that. Instead, they deceive themselves into believing that the tripe they promote is somehow important to the vast majority of Americans who have never ever heard of their website.

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    RewriteOurWorld January 12, 2015 at 10:50 pm #

    I still haven’t figured out why Falcon loves me so much. I’m a total nobody on that site. Why does he even care?

    Anyhow, I’ll confirm I’m not Alycia, Dr. Conspiracy, Scott, or Foggy. I’ll also say I don’t have a husband who posts on BirtherReport named “Matt” (despite what Falcon says).

    I guess what bothers me the most as of late isn’t the lies of BR and Falcon, but instead, the supporters of the lies who are too busy boot licking to call Falcon and BR out. Heck, when TheseTruths called BR out for giving out a poster’s personal information, he was ran off the site.

    Another thing worth mentioning, when Doc got the identity of Kerchner wrong (?), he was man enough to admit it. Falcon and BR still have not apologized and instead are spreading outright lies and nefarious insinuations.

    Falcon stated liars don’t belong on BirtherReport, and if he turned out to be a liar, he would leave BR. Falcon also says he is “always right,” “has no reason to lie,” that he’s “interested in the truth and it’s why [he] post[s],” and doesn’t make accusations that aren’t true.

    Once again, why haven’t more birthers been calling him out? Are they cowards? Why are some of them calling him a “leader” and a “champion?” I know some people just don’t want to rock the boat, but, there’s plenty of people on there that support the libel and will support him no matter what he does or says. It’s truly sad.

    Anyhow, have a good day, Doc. I know wishing you a good day makes me an Obot, but, oh well.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 12, 2015 at 11:36 pm #

    Hey, thanks for commenting on the article. I think some people are intimidated by Falcon and some perhaps just want to avoid an unpleasant confrontation. But he’s just a bully, and what’s the worst thing he could do? Get somebody kicked off the site? I can think of worse things.

    RewriteOurWorld: Once again, why haven’t more birthers been calling him out? Are they cowards?

  4. avatar
    Lupin January 13, 2015 at 2:00 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Hey, thanks for commenting on the article. I think some people are intimidated by Falcon and some perhaps just want to avoid an unpleasant confrontation. But he’s just a bully, and what’s the worst thing he could do? Get somebody kicked off the site? I can think of worse things.

    I’d gladly confront Falcon but I;’m banned from their site and I don’t have time to create sock puppets & the likes.

  5. avatar
    Krosis January 13, 2015 at 4:22 am #

    How dysfunctional this BR site is! I guess it’s time for some dissident birther to start a “Birthers Against Falcon” movement.

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    bovril January 13, 2015 at 5:20 am #

    And of course being Gerbil Report, all that is old is new again. “Reagans_Ghost” one of the more challenged, has re discovered Leutenant (sic) Quarles Harris, the petty criminal back in 2008 who was arrested with several bags of marijuana, and a selection of stolen credit cards and a couple of’ passport application forms.

    This was then the one Birthers spun into a ‘special’ tale of Obama’s passport records being hacked and Harris being offed by Da Regime to keep him quiet.

    Oh along with Little Timmy Adams and his magical story of how everyone in Hawai’i told him that they all know that Obama’s BC is a forgery.

    Being GR off course, when a polite, non snarky and factual recitation of the facts was posted Boss Birther censored out the post. Can’t have them facts get in the way of a good smear………

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    alg January 13, 2015 at 8:03 am #

    bovril: And of course being Gerbil Report, all that is old is new again. “Reagans_Ghost” one of the more challenged, has re discovered Leutenant (sic) Quarles Harris, the petty criminal back in 2008 who was arrested with several bags of marijuana, and a selection of stolen credit cards and a couple of’ passport application forms.

    This was then the one Birthers spun into a ‘special’ tale of Obama’s passport records being hacked and Harris being offed by Da Regime to keep him quiet.

    Oh along with Little Timmy Adams and his magical story of how everyone in Hawai’i told him that they all know that Obama’s BC is a forgery.

    Being GR off course, when a polite, non snarky and factual recitation of the facts was posted Boss Birther censored out the post. Can’t have them facts get in the way of a good smear………

    The Leiutenant Quarles Harris story is a great example of how birthers manufacture associations and connections that don’t exist in the real world. Harris, who wasn’t a “lieutenant” (Leiutenant was his first name), was an identity thief who used passport records to create fake credit cards. He had nothing to do with the passport records breach conducted by three contract employees working for the State Department:

    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/09/birther-mythbusting-leiutenant-quarles.html

    And Tim Adams was just a temporary elections employee of the City of Honolulu – hired for five months to provide temp help during the 2008 election. He worked for the City Clerk’s Office which has nothing to do with, nor any access to birth records of the Hawaii State Department of Health:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/tim-adams/

    This, of course, is the birther pattern. Take snippets of vague, unsubstantiated associations, embellish them, and then announce the “discovery” to the gullibly faithful, who embellish the story further.

  8. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 13, 2015 at 12:40 pm #

    Let me put on my old Internet safety instructor had for a moment.

    If an Internet forum is causing you problems, go somewhere else.

    RewriteOurWorld: I still haven’t figured out why Falcon loves me so much. I’m a total nobody on that site. Why does he even care?

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    The Magic M January 13, 2015 at 12:42 pm #

    RewriteOurWorld: Once again, why haven’t more birthers been calling him out? Are they cowards?

    There’s been a history of people getting banned and postings deleted when they criticize Falcon. The BR regulars know that and therefore also know when to keep their mouth shut.

    RewriteOurWorld: Why are some of them calling him a “leader” and a “champion?

    Are they? I just thought they consider him the admin’s favourite for some reason. I mean, it’s not like he has done any “leading” whatsoever, like organizing birther events or getting people to do something.

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    The Magic M January 13, 2015 at 12:45 pm #

    RewriteOurWorld: but, there’s plenty of people on there that support the libel and will support him no matter what he does or says

    Well the times where every single one of his postings got 30+ upvotes seems over, he seems to be getting much less than you whenever you bicker about who’s a secret Obot. But that could also be Obots supporting you over Falcon, we’ll never know. 😉

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 13, 2015 at 12:58 pm #

    OK, this is some interesting commentary by Falcon at another site. Check out all of his posts on the page:

    http://navygentleman.com/cvn2/2014/12/02/open-thread-december-2-2014/

    According to Falcon, the BR poster Barry Soetoro, Esq was interviewed by Mike Shoesmith about Sandy Hook (SH).

    Here’s the Interview:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az_CQ2x-AhU

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    BrianH January 13, 2015 at 3:06 pm #

    My WordPress account now seems totally blocked at BR. Though this time around I had no interaction with Falcon. Last time it seems to have been just one I.P. address, and I thought maybe Scott was the one who reported me. It’s hard to figure out what the line is there. No loss. It’s all just impotent rage there.

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    RewriteOurWorld January 13, 2015 at 3:19 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:

    According to Falcon, the BR poster Barry Soetoro, Esq was interviewed by Mike Shoesmith about Sandy Hook (SH).

    I think there was like, two or three interviews. I only listened to the beginning of the second one because BSE started calling a lot of the posters on BR Obots. Instead of challenging him on the assertion, Shoesmith just took it in stride and seemed to enjoy it. Heck, he even went the extra mile and told people they could schedule a debate with Barry ESQ, but, they’d have to pay him respect. I couldn’t bother to listen to the rest of the insanity after what Shoesmith said.

  14. avatar
    Arthur January 13, 2015 at 3:34 pm #

    RewriteOurWorld: I couldn’t bother to listen to the rest of the insanity after what Shoesmith said.

    Some people see a glass of water and say it’s half full; others say it’s half empty. When B.S. Barry sees it, he’s convinced it’s full of artificial tears to be used by crisis actors in the next phony mass shooting that will lead to a federal gun grab.

    At one time, people like Barry were institutionalized against their will and America was a better place.

  15. avatar
    Nancy R Owens January 13, 2015 at 4:38 pm #

    Hahahaha…..join the crowd.

    BrianH:
    My WordPress account now seems totally blocked at BR. Though this time around I had no interaction with Falcon. Last time it seems to have been just one I.P. address, and I thought maybe Scott was the one who reported me. It’s hard to figure out what the line is there. No loss. It’s all just impotent rage there.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 13, 2015 at 7:15 pm #

    I added a new web site to the “Bad” list down below:

    Impeach Obama Campaign

    It gets a lot of comments on some articles. One article caught my attention

    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/msnbc-we-have-to-respect-islamic-murderers/

    not because of the article, but because of the comments. Nested among the hidden replies is a string of over 100 comments largely between someone named Roger and someone named WTE. WTE calls Roger a child molester, and Roger points to an apology WTE made for saying that, an apology which WTE says he made under duress. I could care less about that dispute, but what’s interesting is that while Falcon isn’t in the discussion, he has appeared on multiple other sites where Roger and WTE also commented. Roger also posts at Birther Report.

    On this site, WTE made a comment, and Falcon appears, to add an insulting reply.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/09/13/barak-denies-opposing-iran-war/

    Here’s a sample article from the Impeach Obama Campaign site:

    VIDEO: ZULLO AND TEAM TRACE “O-BOTS” BACK TO OBAMA ADMIN! DOD INVOLVED!

  17. avatar
    wrecking ball January 14, 2015 at 12:52 am #

    ” …..this site would be a model for intelligent, civilized debate and discussion.”

    – sirendrake

    “RetardOurWorld must really have a crush on you. She was so mad when she heard that you wouldn’t do her, …”

    – sirendrake

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    The Magic M January 14, 2015 at 5:20 am #

    BrianH: It’s hard to figure out what the line is there.

    Wild mixture of IP bans and account bans as well. My work IP is banned there but I can still post from home using my ID account (which I created just for commenting there).

  19. avatar
    Woodrowfan January 14, 2015 at 8:17 pm #

    are all those people in an insane asylum??? jeeeze

  20. avatar
    RewriteOurWorld January 14, 2015 at 9:53 pm #

    wrecking ball:
    ” …..this site would be a model for intelligent, civilized debate and discussion.”

    – sirendrake

    “RetardOurWorld must really have a crush on you. She was so mad when she heard that you wouldn’t do her, …”

    – sirendrake

    Recently, a poster at BR claimed “birthers” are starting to speculate off of the site that that particular poster is an “Obot” troll. I’m more inclined to believe it’s merely boot licking. Something like:

    “Hey guys! I can make stuff up about posters too! I’m one of you!”

    But, hey, I could be wrong.

  21. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 14, 2015 at 10:34 pm #

    I cannot conceive of SirenDrake being an “Obot” troll.

    RewriteOurWorld: Recently, a poster at BR claimed “birthers” are starting to speculate off of the site that that particular poster is an “Obot” troll. I’m more inclined to believe it’s merely boot licking

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    3Fiddy5 January 15, 2015 at 9:58 am #

    I visited Birtherreport for about a year.

    I was waiting for that sweet sweet moment when it finally sinks in for them that the CCP has no universe shattering information.. They’ve been had!

    But I don’t think that day is coming anymore. Zullo can apparently string them along indefinitely.
    I keep visiting your site from time to time for updates.

    But that other place is a cesspool.

  23. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 15, 2015 at 6:55 pm #

    This article has been updated to add:

    Update:

    I learned one trick that’s useful in finding old BR content. You can enter a URL like this

    http://www.obamareleaseyourrecords.com/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=20

    To get a list of articles within a specific time range

  24. avatar
    Benji Franklin January 15, 2015 at 7:37 pm #

    3Fiddy5: I was waiting for that sweet sweet moment when it finally sinks in for them that the CCP has no universe shattering information.. They’ve been had!

    But I don’t think that day is coming anymore. Zullo can apparently string them along indefinitely.

    You’re right; they will never demand an accounting from their chief exploiter. They’re all joined at the hype.

    Birthers are most vulnerable to anyone who claims to share their hatred of Obama. For example, what we see as Zullo crapping endlessly on their heads, they eagerly accept as Zullo delivering to them, the means to comb Obama out of their hair.