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Ballot challenges work in Georgia

The year was 2012, and a group of plaintiffs (Farrar, Welden, Lax, Roth, Judy, Swensson, and Powell) went before Georgia administrative law judge Michael Malihi in an attempt to challenge Barack Obama’s position on the ballot in Georgia. Malihi didn’t buy it—after hearing the evidence presented by three petitioners’ attorneys, he ruled Obama eligible. Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp agreed and Obama was on the ballot garnering 0 electoral votes from the state. But it doesn’t always work that way.

Peach Pundit reports today that Judge Michael Malihi ruled against Tyrone Brooks, Jr. on the grounds that he had not met the residency requirements required in a run for State House District 55 in a special election June 16. Secretary of State Kemp has disqualified Brooks from the ballot.

In Georgia state races, a candidate bears the burden of proof when challenged. In this case, Brooks admitted that he had voted in another district within the past year, and was unable to establish proof of residence with House District 55 for the required full year. The decision was detailed and informative. Judge Malihi knows a potential usurper when he sees one.

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92 Responses to Ballot challenges work in Georgia

  1. avatar
    Arthur B. June 8, 2015 at 8:46 pm #

    OK, so don’t tell me … this time, the little, if any prima facie evidence outweighed the prima facie evidence that was of no probative value?

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    Slartibartfast June 8, 2015 at 9:01 pm #

    Be careful Arthur. You should probably get an expert like David to explain why the prima facie impeachment evidence overcame the prima facie prima facie evidence in this prima facie case.

    It will be very interesting to see if anyone files a ballot challenge in Georgia against Rafael Cruz. David has expressed interest (in a thread at Cafe Con Leche Republicans where others–like myself–were asking Mario if he would write a complaint against Rafael for Mr. Farrar) in filing, but absent someone to ghostwrite his complaint like Loren did for his challenge to President Obama I can’t see him delivering something to the courthouse that anyone would be able to understand, let alone determine an actionable cause from. My guess is that the birthers don’t care enough about a fig leaf to cover their racism to exert any effort that doesn’t serve their hatred of President Obama directly.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 8, 2015 at 10:10 pm #

    The Superior Court in Georgia ruled that the Secretary of State cannot interfere in a primary election, that such elections are internal affairs of the parties. It is an open question as far as I know whether the Georgia Secretary of State can exclude a person from the General Election presidential race on the grounds of eligibility, or whether his job is purely ministerial, to put the parties’ candidates on the ballot.

    Of course Cruz has to win the primary to reach the general election, which I think is a long shot.

    Slartibartfast: It will be very interesting to see if anyone files a ballot challenge in Georgia against Rafael Cruz

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    Slartibartfast June 8, 2015 at 10:14 pm #

    Yeah, that’s not going to happen.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Of course Cruz has to win the primary to reach the general election, which I think is a long shot.

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    john June 8, 2015 at 10:38 pm #

    “In Georgia state races, a candidate bears the burden of proof when challenged.”

    Interesting. Obama never showed up for his hearing so he should have been denied on the ballot because Obama produced nothing. Unfortunately, the Presidential Election is different and no one can challenge a candidate unless that they have Standing, which the courts basically has said that it virtually impossible for anyone to establish standing.

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    john June 8, 2015 at 10:44 pm #

    It was also speculated that Obama was denied the Election Ballot in Hawaii in 2008 due to his eligibility problem requiring Obama to travel to Hawaii to “Fix” the problem few weeks before the election. (Obama used the cover that his Grandmother was dying, but was actually in Hawaii attending possible hearings on the issue regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot. “The Problem” was apparently corrected and Obama wasn’t denied the ballot. This has been suggested based on timings regarding Hawaii election code and ballot challenges and Obama’s movements regarding those time frames.)

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    Rickey June 8, 2015 at 11:21 pm #

    john:
    “In Georgia state races, a candidate bears the burden of proof when challenged.”

    Interesting.Obama never showed up for his hearing so he should have been denied on the ballot because Obama produced nothing.Unfortunately, the Presidential Election is different and no one can challenge a candidate unless that they have Standing, which the courts basically has said that it virtually impossible for anyone to establish standing.

    The election of a president is a Federal election, not a state election, so the burden of proof was on the plaintiffs.

    And it isn’t “virtually impossible” to establish standing. If Hillary Clinton had challenged Obama’s eligibility in 2008, she would have had standing.

    Orly Taitz, Mario Apuzzo, David Farrar, James Youngblood – not so much.

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    Arthur B. June 8, 2015 at 11:22 pm #

    john: Interesting. Obama never showed up for his hearing so he should have been denied on the ballot because Obama produced nothing.

    So, john, you are telling us that the President should have been penalized for failing to do in a federal-election primary that which is required of candidates in Georgia state races?

    Do you think for a minute that that makes sense?

    [edit: ooops — I see Rickey got here first!]

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    Rickey June 8, 2015 at 11:24 pm #

    john:
    It was also speculated that Obama was denied the Election Ballot in Hawaii in 2008 due to his eligibility problem requiring Obama to travel to Hawaii to “Fix” the problem few weeks before the election. (Obama used the cover that his Grandmother was dying, but was actually in Hawaii attending possible hearings on the issue regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot.“The Problem” was apparently corrected and Obama wasn’t denied the ballot.This has been suggested based on timings regarding Hawaii election code and ballot challenges and Obama’s movements regarding those time frames.)

    Speculation? You believe that nonsense?

    Oh, that’s right, you are Birther John, perhaps the most gullible person on earth.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 8, 2015 at 11:29 pm #

    Birthers in general are a very suspicious lot and are highly skeptical about everything– except other birthers.

    john: This has been suggested based on timings regarding Hawaii election code and ballot challenges and Obama’s movements regarding those time frames.)

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 8, 2015 at 11:34 pm #

    Except the birthers provided everything needed to prove Obama was eligible, his birth certificate and the State Department files. Add to that the fact that the petitioners didn’t allege Obama as foreign born. These decisions are based on the preponderance of the evidence. So even with 3 attorneys and a bunch of witnesses on the birther side and nobody for Obama, the evidence showed Obama eligible.

    john: Interesting. Obama never showed up for his hearing so he should have been denied on the ballot because Obama produced nothing.

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    Dave B. June 8, 2015 at 11:37 pm #

    There’s just nothing too low for you ghouls, is there?

    john: Obama used the cover that his Grandmother was dying, but was actually in Hawaii attending possible hearings on the issue regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot. “The Problem” was apparently corrected and Obama wasn’t denied the ballot. This has been suggested based on timings regarding Hawaii election code and ballot challenges and Obama’s movements regarding those time frames.)

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    Slartibartfast June 8, 2015 at 11:46 pm #

    John knows that he would cheerfully kill his grandmother if necessary to cover up his own malfeasance. Like all birthers, he projects his own lack of integrity on everyone else—President Obama most of all.

    Dave B.:
    There’s just nothing too low for you ghouls, is there?

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    CarlOrcas June 8, 2015 at 11:52 pm #

    Dave B.:
    There’s just nothing too low for you ghouls, is there?

    Don’t forget….it did get lower. Some of them accused Obama of killing his grandmother to cover up her Communist past….or something like that.

    Sick bunch.

  15. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 9, 2015 at 12:39 am #

    john, next time you have a thought, and decide to post. Don’t. Just let the thought die. You’ll save someone the trouble of having to point out where you’re wrong.
    Think of the time you’ll save yourself and others.

  16. avatar
    john June 9, 2015 at 3:02 am #

    Rickey: The election of a president is a Federal election, not a state election, so the burden of proof was on the plaintiffs.

    And it isn’t “virtually impossible” to establish standing. If Hillary Clinton had challenged Obama’s eligibility in 2008, she would have had standing.

    Orly Taitz, Mario Apuzzo, David Farrar, James Youngblood – not so much.

    I don’t know. Pretty much everyone was denied Standing when it came to Obama:
    Persons as Voters were Denied Standing
    Persons as Taxpayers were Denied Standing
    Persons as Retired Military were Denied Standing.
    Persons as Active Military were Denied Standing.
    Persons as State Representatives were Denied Standing.
    Persons as Electoral College Electors were Denied Standing.
    Persons as Presidential Candidates were Denied Standing.
    I’m not sure if Hillary of McCain would have been denied Standing. Based on the timings of Presidential Candidate and when Injury in Fact could occur, Hilary or McCain might have only had Standing for a very limited amount of time if any.

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    john June 9, 2015 at 3:04 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Birthers in general are a very suspicious lot and are highly skeptical about everything– except other birthers.

    Here is the article. It’s very long and complicated. http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html

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    The Magic M (not logged in) June 9, 2015 at 4:20 am #

    john: It’s very long and complicated.

    And doesn’t contain a smidgen of proof, let alone a sane rationale.
    It’s basically like “since we don’t know where Obama was in the morning of 9/11, he might as well have been the pilot of all three planes”.

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    Craig HS June 9, 2015 at 5:03 am #

    Persons as Electoral College Electors denied standing? I don’t remember that one.

    You’d think that in that particular position, they’d be very aware of what they can and can’t do.

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    john June 9, 2015 at 5:47 am #

    Craig HS:
    Persons as Electoral College Electors denied standing?I don’t remember that one.

    You’d think that in that particular position, they’d be very aware of what they can and can’t do.

    Some Electoral College persons from the other side have been plantiffs in birther cases. They were denied. As far Electoral College persons on the Democratic side in states where Obama won, laws and penalties prevented from not voting for Obama and all were too chicken to protest.

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    john June 9, 2015 at 5:51 am #

    Rickey: The election of a president is a Federal election, not a state election, so the burden of proof was on the plaintiffs.

    And it isn’t “virtually impossible” to establish standing. If Hillary Clinton had challenged Obama’s eligibility in 2008, she would have had standing.

    Orly Taitz, Mario Apuzzo, David Farrar, James Youngblood – not so much.

    According to sources from within the Hillary campaign, Hillary as well Bill Clinton has planned to come forward and challenge Obama’s eligibility. A campaign person for them was killed as a warning against this. It was later known, that Chelsea Clinton was threatened to be killed if Bill Clinton talked and it was at that point, Bill Clinton dropped the issue.

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    roadburner June 9, 2015 at 6:19 am #

    john: According to sources from within the Hillary campaign, Hillary as well Bill Clinton has planned to come forward and challenge Obama’s eligibility.A campaign person for them was killed as a warning against this.It was later known, that Chelsea Clinton was threatened to be killed if Bill Clinton talked and it was at that point, Bill Clinton dropped the issue.

    congratulations!

    you get this weeks `nancy ruth owens’ award for fantasy

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    The Magic M (not logged in) June 9, 2015 at 7:02 am #

    john: A campaign person for them was killed as a warning against this.

    So the Ebil Clintons who had murderized tendozens of people caved at such a simple threat instead of just having the entire Obama posse murderated.
    But I bet you also believe Hillary will resume her murderfications as soon as she is President, with no fear of any retaliation towards precious Chelsea.
    Cognitive dissonance at its best/worst!

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    The Magic M (not logged in) June 9, 2015 at 7:06 am #

    Craig HS: Persons as Electoral College Electors denied standing? I don’t remember that one.

    You’d think that in that particular position, they’d be very aware of what they can and can’t do.

    James Grinols?

  25. avatar
    dr. kenneth noisewater June 9, 2015 at 8:04 am #

    john: Here is the article. It’s very long and complicated.

    Here’s a helpful hint if your theory is unnecessarily long and complicated and filled with lots of twists and turns it’s more than likely nonsense.

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    dr. kenneth noisewater June 9, 2015 at 8:05 am #

    john: According to sources from within the Hillary campaign, Hillary as well Bill Clinton has planned to come forward and challenge Obama’s eligibility

    Not a single source from within the Hillary Clinton campaign has claimed this, stop lying. There was no campaign person killed nor was there a threat against Chelsea. I find it funny how all the same people who believe in the Clinton death list somehow think Obama could have made a viable threat against the cold blooded killer they make Clinton out to be.

  27. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 9, 2015 at 8:08 am #

    Grinols was a losing candidate for Elector.

    The Magic M (not logged in): James Grinols?

  28. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 9, 2015 at 8:11 am #

    And how do you know this? Did they talk to you personally? Do you know who they are, and who they talked to? Do you know anything?

    john: According to sources

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    dr. kenneth noisewater June 9, 2015 at 8:15 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And how do you know this? Did they talk to you personally? Do you know who they are, and who they talked to? Do you know anything?

    of course he does they’re the sources that only exist in his head

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    john June 9, 2015 at 9:27 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And how do you know this? Did they talk to you personally? Do you know who they are, and who they talked to? Do you know anything?

    Actually is from just one source, the lady named Benivedo, a movie producer who worked from the Clinton campaign. Of course, neither Bill or Hillary Clinton are not talking about the the alleged threat and no birther otherwise has ever managed to ask the question point blank on National TV (An event garning millions of viewers where the Clintons would be asked the question while millions of people listened.)

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    donna June 9, 2015 at 9:29 am #

    “The only reason I’m not as confident that there’s something about the birth certificate … is because I know the Clintons and believe me, they have lots of investigators out on him, and I’m convinced if there was anything that they could have found on that, they would have found it, and I promise they would have used it,” Huckabee said.

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    john June 9, 2015 at 9:32 am #

    john: Actually is from just one source, the lady named Benivedo, a movie producer who worked from the Clinton campaign.Of course, neither Bill or Hillary Clinton are not talking about the the alleged threat and no birther otherwise has ever managed to ask the question point blank on National TV (An event garning millions of viewers where the Clintons would be asked the question while millions of people listened.)

    It has always been a weakness or problem among birthers in that not a single birther has ever managed the get the question out on National TV while millions of persons watched. I do remember a number televised townhall meetings where made where persons got to ask Obama, McCain, Romney or other a question on National TV with millions of people watching. No Birther questions where ever asked. Again, this is another Golden Opportunity that would always slips through the Birther’s hands. A perfect example of this would have the 2nd debate between Obama and Romney that was townhall style. Didn’t voters ask them questions? A question about Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation or the natural burn citizen would have been the golden opportunity for birthers but they let it slip through their fingers.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 9:39 am #

    john: Actually is from just one source, the lady named Benivedo, a movie producer who worked from the Clinton campaign. Of course, neither Bill or Hillary Clinton are not talking about the the alleged threat and no birther otherwise has ever managed to ask the question point blank on National TV (An event garning millions of viewers where the Clintons would be asked the question while millions of people listened.)

    Lol Benivedo? You can’t even get your cast of characters right the lady who made the claim was Bettina Viviano. She didn’t work from the Clinton Campaign. She was a lifelong republican who claimed she was doing a documentary on clinton. She’s presented no proof ever that she was anywhere near the clintons, even knew the clintons and was an existing birther who was posting on Puma board before the election.

    She wasn’t a “source from within the Clinton Campaign” as you claimed. So not only did you lie but you couldn’t even get the person’s name right. Are you even trying anymore?

    You also lied when you claimed it was sources when instead you claim it was a single source who had nothing to do with the Clinton campaign.

    As for no birther questions being asked at the town hall debates, it just goes to show how fringe the birther movement is that they aren’t even close to the mainstream.

  34. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 9:42 am #

    john: Didn’t voters ask them questions? A question about Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation or the natural burn citizen would have been the golden opportunity for birthers but they let it slip through their fingers.

    Yes a golden opportunity to make fools of themselves on national TV and would have instantly killed Romney’s chances.

  35. avatar
    john June 9, 2015 at 9:50 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Bettina Viviano

    She worked on documentary involving the Clinton Campaign and alleged fraud. Bettina Viviano does have quite a story to tell. It never really got the credit it deserved. WND looked into it but it was never really followed up. As usual, Birthers failed to get their story out into the main stream media. I consider this story to be one of the top Loose Ends or Unanswered Questions regarding the Obama eligibility issue. It was never really investigated or talked about. It was a great birther story that lasted a few days but then was forgotten.

  36. avatar
    Dave B. June 9, 2015 at 10:04 am #

    Ghoul!

    john: A campaign person for them was killed as a warning against this.It was later known, that Chelsea Clinton was threatened to be killed if Bill Clinton talked and it was at that point, Bill Clinton dropped the issue.

    Does “too wacky for WND” mean anything to you?

    john: Bettina Viviano does have quite a story to tell. It never really got the credit it deserved. WND looked into it but it was never really followed up.

  37. avatar
    john June 9, 2015 at 10:14 am #

    Dave B.: Bettina Viviano

    With Hillary Clinton running for POTUS, this might the golden opportunity for birthers to bring the issue again. Birthers should wait for a national event involving Hillary where she can answer questions from voters. Then a birther should ask the question point blank on National TV. They should definitely mention Bettina Viviano by name.

  38. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 10:31 am #

    john: She worked on documentary involving the Clinton Campaign and alleged fraud.Bettina Viviano does have quite a story to tell. It never really got the credit it deserved. WND looked into it but it was never really followed up. As usual, Birthers failed to get their story out into the main stream media.I consider this story to be one of the top Loose Ends or Unanswered Questions regarding the Obama eligibility issue. It was never really investigated or talked about.It was a great birther story that lasted a few days but then was forgotten.

    A documentary which never came out that she claimed she worked on. She wasn’t a clinton insider source as you claimed. So again you lied. Not even her friends could back up her statements. It’s just another case of a pre-existing birther making herself part of the story and making up claims you instantly believe. She doesn’t have quite a story to tell since she didn’t even know the Clintons. She did many interviews with birther outlets and repeated the same nonsense. Nowhere did she support a single claim she made.

  39. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 10:32 am #

    john: With Hillary Clinton running for POTUS, this might the golden opportunity for birthers to bring the issue again.Birthers should wait for a national event involving Hillary where she can answer questions from voters.Then a birther should ask the question point blank on National TV.They should definitely mention Bettina Vivianoby name.

    Yes that’s a great idea so then Hillary would be like “who the heck is that”

    John is totally like “help us Bettina Vivianoby you’re our only hope”

  40. avatar
    Bonsall Obot June 9, 2015 at 10:40 am #

    john: With Hillary Clinton running for POTUS, this might the golden opportunity for birthers to bring the issue again.Birthers should wait for a national event involving Hillary where she can answer questions from voters.Then a birther should ask the question point blank on National TV.They should definitely mention Bettina Vivianoby name.

    We agree! I think this is a GREAT IDEA.

    EVERY Birfer MUST ask this question, early and often. THROW IN SOME BENGHAZI, while you’re at it.

  41. avatar
    john June 9, 2015 at 11:37 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): And doesn’t contain a smidgen of proof, let alone a sane rationale.
    It’s basically like “since we don’t know where Obama was in the morning of 9/11, he might as well have been the pilot of all three planes”.

    In any event, if Obama had to meet with Hawaiian Elections Officials, if would have had been held in secret and closed to the public. Such a meeting if it involved discussion of Obama’s birth records would have to be held secret, classified and closed to the public because Hawaii Health Records are confidential records that cannot be disclosed to the public. In that instance, Obama would have had to concocted some reason for attending the meeting in Hawaii, the reason being to go see his dying gradmother as a perfect cover to attend the meeting.

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    Arthur B. June 9, 2015 at 11:49 am #

    john: In any event, if Obama had to meet with Hawaiian Elections Officials … Such a meeting if it involved discussion of Obama’s birth records … In that instance, Obama would have had to concocted some reason…

    LOL, john, that’s quite a trail of hypotheticals completely unencumbered by facts!

    Need I point out that birtherism is about seven years old? If you’re still stuck speculating about “Loose Ends or Unanswered Questions regarding the Obama eligibility issue,” that’s very convincing evidence that, in all that time, the birthers have yet to come up with a consistent, coherent, fact-supported ineligibility case.

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    CarlOrcas June 9, 2015 at 11:52 am #

    john: Obama would have had to concocted some reason for attending the meeting in Hawaii, the reason being to go see his dying gradmother as a perfect cover to attend the meeting.

    Other than your fetid imagination do you have one bit of real information to support this theory of yours?

    Do you think he had something to do with his grandmother’s death? Some people do.

    If she hadn’t conveniently contracted cancer what “cover” do you think Obama would have used to attend your secret, classified meeting?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 11:57 am #

    john: In any event, if Obama had to meet with Hawaiian Elections Officials, if would have had been held in secret and closed to the public. Such a meeting if it involved discussion of Obama’s birth records would have to be held secret, classified and closed to the public because Hawaii Health Records are confidential records that cannot be disclosed to the public. In that instance, Obama would have had to concocted some reason for attending the meeting in Hawaii, the reason being to go see his dying gradmother as a perfect cover to attend the meeting.

    Have you taken your meds? It’s almost as if you’re caught in an infinite loop where the deeper you get into the gyre the more people are involved in a conspiracy. Eventually you’ll find yourself involved in the conspiracy as well.

    So now you’re going to create some non existent meeting out of thin air?

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    john June 9, 2015 at 11:58 am #

    CarlOrcas: Other than your fetid imagination do you have one bit of real information to support this theory of yours?

    Do you think he had something to do with his grandmother’s death? Some people do.

    If she hadn’t conveniently contracted cancer what “cover” do you think Obama would have used to attend your secret, classified meeting?

    I not sure. That’s why his grandmother’s dying was the “Perfect” excuse for Obama to go to Hawaii to attend the meeting with Hawaii Election Officials and “Fix” his problem so he wouldn’t be denied the ballot. It was a wonderful happen stance for Obama.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 9, 2015 at 12:02 pm #

    It takes a pretty sick person to describe the death of a loved one as a “wonderful happen stance” (sic), or to ascribe that feeling to someone else without strong justification. Why would Obama have to travel to Hawaii to fix something? They have telephones in Hawaii. If the form were wrong, just send in another form.

    john: I not sure.That’s why his grandmother’s dying was the “Perfect” excuse for Obama to go to Hawaii to attend the meeting with Hawaii Election Officials and “Fix” his problem so he wouldn’t be denied the ballot.It was a wonderful happen stance for Obama.

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    john June 9, 2015 at 12:05 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    It takes a pretty sick person to describe the death of a loved one as a “wonderful happen stance” (sic), or to ascribe that feeling to someone else without strong justification. Why would Obama have to travel to Hawaii to fix something? They have telephones in Hawaii. If the form were wrong, just send in another form.

    A meeting with Election Board Officials would have probably required his attendance. It still remains that some of Obama’s time is unaccounted for while he was in Hawaii based on media reports. it is believed it was during that time, Obama was attending a hearing with Hawaii Election Officials to address the concerns regarding his birth certificate and it was during that hearing Obama apparently “Fixed” his birth certificate problem and was allowed on the ballot with no questions asked.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm #

    john: I not sure. That’s why his grandmother’s dying was the “Perfect” excuse for Obama to go to Hawaii to attend the meeting with Hawaii Election Officials and “Fix” his problem so he wouldn’t be denied the ballot. It was a wonderful happen stance for Obama.

    There was no problem for him to fix since he was born in Hawaii and was always eligible to serve as President. It must suck for you to be so shunned by your family.

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    CarlOrcas June 9, 2015 at 12:10 pm #

    john: I not sure.That’s why his grandmother’s dying was the “Perfect” excuse for Obama to go to Hawaii to attend the meeting with Hawaii Election Officials and “Fix” his problem so he wouldn’t be denied the ballot.It was a wonderful happen stance for Obama.

    Do you really believe this nonsense?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 12:10 pm #

    john: A meeting with Election Board Officials would have probably required his attendance. It still remains that some of Obama’s time is unaccounted for while he was in Hawaii based on media reports. it is believed it was during that time, Obama was attending a hearing with Hawaii Election Officials to address the concerns regarding his birth certificate and it was during that hearing Obama apparently “Fixed” his birth certificate problem and was allowed on the ballot with no questions asked.

    Why would it require his attendance?

    It is believed by who? You? You’re the only one positing this nonsense. There was nothing for him to fix since it’s been maintained since 1961 that he was born in Hawaii.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 9, 2015 at 12:11 pm #

    I remind you of Orly Taitz’ appearance on the Colbert Report, and Terry Lakin’s appearance on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360.

    john: It has always been a weakness or problem among birthers in that not a single birther has ever managed the get the question out on National TV while millions of persons watched.

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    john June 9, 2015 at 12:17 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360.

    Not Foxnews, who watches Anderson Cooper 360 or the Colbert Report, liberal Obots perhaps. Conservatives was Foxnews and independents pay attention National Televised events like Debates.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2015 at 12:28 pm #

    john: Not Foxnews, who watches Anderson Cooper 360 or the Colbert Report, liberal Obots perhaps.Conservatives was Foxnews and independents pay attention National Televised events like Debates.

    What’s that tell you when foxnews doesn’t even take you seriously? Lots of people watch the colbert report several millions. No one cares for your birther nonsense.

  54. avatar
    Dave B. June 9, 2015 at 12:31 pm #

    Well, you’re an idiot.

    john: With Hillary Clinton running for POTUS, this might the golden opportunity for birthers to bring the issue again.Birthers should wait for a national event involving Hillary where she can answer questions from voters.Then a birther should ask the question point blank on National TV.They should definitely mention Bettina Vivianoby name.

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    Slartibartfast June 9, 2015 at 12:31 pm #

    To understand birther theories, I believe it is necessary to turn them around. We’ve always known that projection is nearly ubiquitous amongst birthers and, following that to its logical conclusion, that means that what John is telling us that he would cynically use (or maybe even cause) his own grandmother’s death if some sort of tactical advantage or goal could be gained thereby. In other words, he would pretty much be willing to do anything if it brought the presidency within his grasp. Fortunately, while John and his fellow seditionists would usurp the office of the presidency in a heartbeat were they able, they could never surpass the most stringent eligibility requirement, the one they always ignore: electability.

    John,

    I’m breaking my vow not to engage with birthers for this:

    You are a truly despicable person. I suggest that you honestly search your soul and try and root out the causes of your casual depravity or seek professional help before the karma you’ve been putting out comes back and bites you in the ass.

    john: A meeting with Election Board Officials would have probably required his attendance.It still remains that some of Obama’s time is unaccounted for while he was in Hawaii based on media reports.it is believed it was during that time, Obama was attending a hearing with Hawaii Election Officials to address the concerns regarding his birth certificate and it was during that hearing Obama apparently “Fixed” his birth certificate problem and was allowed on the ballot with no questions asked.

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    Dave B. June 9, 2015 at 12:32 pm #

    And a GHOUL.

    john: In any event, if Obama had to meet with Hawaiian Elections Officials, if would have had been held in secret and closed to the public.Such a meeting if it involved discussion of Obama’s birth records would have to be held secret, classified and closed to the public because Hawaii Health Records are confidential records that cannot be disclosed to the public.In that instance, Obama would have had to concocted some reason for attending the meeting in Hawaii, the reason being to go see his dying gradmother as a perfect cover to attend the meeting.

  57. avatar
    Jim June 9, 2015 at 2:04 pm #

    Slarti, you read my mind when I read john’s post. He must have been such a pain as a child, even his grandma didn’t like him.

  58. avatar
    Joey June 9, 2015 at 2:16 pm #

    I think John has forgotten that Hawaii had a Republican Administration in 2008 under Governor Linda Lingle. The Chief Elections Officer, Kevin Cronin was a Republican appointee.
    It makes no sense whatsoever for Republicans to be helping Barack Obama out of an “eligibility problem” or for Obama to entrust his entire political future to the opposition party.

  59. avatar
    Bob June 9, 2015 at 3:07 pm #

    What about the “Ukulele” signature, John?

  60. avatar
    Punchmaster via Mobile June 9, 2015 at 3:25 pm #

    You’re a classless sack of s###, john.

  61. avatar
    Rickey June 9, 2015 at 3:51 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I remind you of Orly Taitz’ appearance on the Colbert Report, and Terry Lakin’s appearance on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360.

    She also appeared on MSNBC several times.

  62. avatar
    Rickey June 9, 2015 at 4:21 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: A documentary which never came out that she claimed she worked on.She wasn’t a clinton insider source as you claimed.So again you lied.

    The documentary, which supposedly was going to be titled “We Will Not be Silenced,” had a website which listed Bettina Viviano’s bio:

    Bettina Sofia Viviano
    Producer/Literary Manager

    Bettina Viviano has had a successful career in entertainment as a producer and literary manager for twenty-five years. She began her career at the prestigious William Morris as an agent trainee, before moving on to Steven Spielberg’s Amblin Entertainment, where she attained the position of Vice President of Production. At Amblin, Bettina worked on such movies as Back to the Future 2 and 3, Cape Fear, Land Before Time, Schindler’s List, Always, Roger Rabbit, Indiana Jones 3, etc.

    After leaving Amblin, Bettina became a literary agent at BBMW, representing writers and directors. In 1990 she began her own production and management company, Viviano Entertainment, Inc. and since has sold pitches, scripts books, etc. for millions of dollars on behalf of her clients. As producer, Bettina has made a long list of movies including Three to Tango, Mom’s Got a Date With a Vampire, Family Sins, Strange Hearts, Nightmare Man, Alibi, and Caught in the Act. She currently has many high level studios pictures in development and is producing Freedom House for Reliant Pictures/MGM, starring Terrence Howard, Jack and Jill starring Adam Sandler, and indie film American Crawl to be directed by Bradley Novicoff in the Fall of 2008.

    No mention of ever working for the Clinton campaign, which would have been a vital part of her credentials if she had been working for the campaign.

    Apparently they got as far as completing a preview cut of the film, but they were soliciting donations and presumably ran out of money.

  63. avatar
    Rickey June 9, 2015 at 4:28 pm #

    john: I don’t know.Pretty much everyone was denied Standing when it came to Obama:

    Persons as Presidential Candidates were Denied Standing.

    No serious presidential candidate was denied standing. Because just about anyone can declare to be a candidate, the courts have consistently ruled that the plaintiff has to have a realistic chance of winning. For example, Alan Keyes was denied standing because he was on the November ballot in only three states, so mathematically he had zero chance of winning.

  64. avatar
    Rickey June 9, 2015 at 5:07 pm #

    john: A meeting with Election Board Officials would have probably required his attendance.It still remains that some of Obama’s time is unaccounted for while he was in Hawaii based on media reports.it is believed it was during that time, Obama was attending a hearing with Hawaii Election Officials to address the concerns regarding his birth certificate and it was during that hearing Obama apparently “Fixed” his birth certificate problem and was allowed on the ballot with no questions asked.

    Let me put your fantasy to rest.

    Obama arrived in Hawaii at 7:15 p.m. on Thursday, October 23, 2008, seven business days prior to Election Day. This is significant because under Hawaii election law, voters can begin casting absentee ballots in person TEN business days prior to Election Day, which was October 21. This means that the ballots were printed prior to October 21. They actually were printed in September, which was when overseas military ballots had to be mailed out. So the idea that Obama had to fly to Hawaii to ensure that his name was on the ballot is ludicrous. His name already was on the ballot.

    News reports state that Obama went straight to his grandmother’s apartment after his arrival.

    On Friday he spent more time with his grandmother, as reported by the Associated Press:

    While Obama focused on family, he wasn’t able to leave the campaign behind entirely.

    He traveled the streets of Honolulu, where he was born and spent much of his childhood, in a motorcade of police cars and Secret Service vehicles. A pool of reporters tagged along. Supporters waited in hopes of spotting him for a few seconds.

    Even an attempt to take a quiet walk through his old neighborhood involved guards and a crowd of reporters and cameras, attracting attention from passers-by. Obama, clad in jeans, a black shirt and sandals, quickly gave up on the idea and returned to his grandmother’s apartment building in an SUV.

    Reporters followed him everywhere. On Friday evening he flew to Nevada to continue his campaign on Saturday. His grandmother died on November 2.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-10-24-2873054939_x.htm

    So you see, Obama couldn’t possibly have been in Hawaii to meet with the Elections Commission because the ballots had already been printed. You also seem to forget that the governor of Hawaii in 2008 was a Republican and a fervent supporter of John McCain. What motive would she have had to keep a ballot challenge a secret? Not to mention the fact that half of the Elections Commission is made up of Republicans.

  65. avatar
    Keith June 10, 2015 at 4:13 am #

    john: In that instance, Obama would have had to concocted some reason for attending the meeting in Hawaii,

    I’m curious about this myself… doesn’t the President have access to video conferencing technology? How about a telephone? Do you think the White House has any thing like a secure communications systems that it can use without the President traipsing about all over the country holding secret, in person, meetings?

  66. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) June 10, 2015 at 9:51 am #

    Rickey: For example, Alan Keyes was denied standing because he was on the November ballot in only three states, so mathematically he had zero chance of winning.

    No, realistically he had zero chance of winning.
    Mathematically, Obama and McCain/Romney could both have failed to get an absolute majority in the Electoral College (either because of a tie or because a third candidate got enough votes), then the House would pick the new President for which they are not limited to candidates getting any EC votes (if I’m not entirely mistaken), so in theory the House could’ve voted for Keyes, making him President.
    However courts don’t entertain such hypotheticals which are realistically impossible.

  67. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) June 10, 2015 at 9:57 am #

    john: no birther otherwise has ever managed to ask the question point blank on National TV (An event garning millions of viewers where the Clintons would be asked the question while millions of people listened.)

    The belief that the birther case would somehow have gained traction if it was just once mentioned on “national TV” is delusional at best. Even Donald Trump’s loud birfin’ didn’t make a difference in the elections. You think a citizen’s question about some outlandish conspiracy theory would’ve fared any better?

    And even more so, you believe bringing up any Obama birfin’ during Hillary’s campaign would interest anyone?

  68. avatar
    dunstvangeet June 10, 2015 at 11:19 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Mathematically, Obama and McCain/Romney could both have failed to get an absolute majority in the Electoral College (either because of a tie or because a third candidate got enough votes), then the House would pick the new President for which they are not limited to candidates getting any EC votes (if I’m not entirely mistaken), so in theory the House could’ve voted for Keyes, making him President.

    If you read article II of the Constitution, then you’d be knowledgable in this area. Here’s what the Constitution actually says:

    …if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse [sic] the President…

    So, Alan Keyes must have gotten at least one Electoral Vote in order to become President. The House can only choose between the “five highest on the List”. They can not just go and say, “You know, Alan Keyes, even though he didn’t recieve any electoral votes, we’re going to choose him as President.”

  69. avatar
    Arthur B. June 10, 2015 at 11:38 am #

    dunstvangeet: If you read article II of the Constitution, then you’d be knowledgable in this area. Here’s what the Constitution actually says:

    …if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse [sic] the President…

    Well, that’s what the Constitution used to say. But that section of Article II, section 1 of the Constitution was superseded by the 12th amendment:

    “…and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.”

    This change of course does not diminish your point about Keyes.

  70. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) June 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm #

    Thank you two for the info. I was simply too lazy to look it up earlier today. 😉

    dunstvangeet: So, Alan Keyes must have gotten at least one Electoral Vote in order to become President.

    Not “mathematically impossible” if he ran in three states, therefore my argument stands – the courts rejected standing because it was implausible he’d be a real contender, not because it was impossible.

  71. avatar
    CRJ2016 June 10, 2015 at 11:26 pm #

    I just like to say what a thrill it is to be listed under “The Bad” in this forum, because in the black world bad is good. Preach to me now!

    Gosh, reading the wonderful psychosis of this underwater world is really like starring at the bottom of the public pool at the drain clogged up with a wonderful array of pubic hair gathered at the bottom. The spectrum of clarity with the underwater glasses is vivid in perfect anonymity.

    But for some reason I catch a faint odor of that Baby Ruth log floating toward the drain when all of a sudden all of the patching, and protecting and painstakingly awesome defense of the indefensible comes torpedoing back in the form of Rubio, and Cruz.. Oh God Oh God Oh God.. wait, wait wait.. we didn’t mean to say that. Really?

    She passed by the secretaries of the Congressmen from no where after the entire episode had been captured in foreign territory dismissed by the virtue of not being in the jurisdiction of the United States – paused and said – “Sluts” and then she filed an amicus curiae in Judy v. Obama 14-9396 and won the hearts of all birfers.

  72. avatar
    Dave B. June 11, 2015 at 3:15 am #

    Again, would somebody please quit shaking the nut tree?

    CRJ2016: I just like to say what a thrill it is to be listed under “The Bad” in this forum, because in the black world bad is good. Preach to me now!

  73. avatar
    bovril June 11, 2015 at 5:36 am #

    Oh how sweet, A Boy Named Sue… or in this case Judy crawls out of the woodwork. So, do tell Judy, what does it feel like being a convicted felon..?

    You know, what would now be called a domestic terrorist..?

    I love the way you describe these terroristic acts as “a stand for differences and in protesting” and how you are “a religiously persecuted individual”

    You state on your sad little web site that your terrorist act was because you were “the subject of an unlawful prosecution”…. Yet somehow, your statements on release seem to be at her at odds with that statement… aren’t they..?

    ================================================

    Judy said part of his reform included apologizing to those he hurt.

    “I am thankful that I had an opportunity while President Hunter was alive to write him a personal letter. I probably lament a little bit the opportunity for he and I to have gotten together before he died to express a few words.”

    “To anybody who is scared out there I would like to tell them I’m sorry and that this won’t happen again, for sure,” Judy said.

    ================================================

    Care to set the record straight ..?

  74. avatar
    Jim June 11, 2015 at 9:36 am #

    Dave B. “Again, would somebody please quit shaking the nut tree?”

    It’s not our fault…the birther sites have become so bad, they have to come here to be abused.

    All we ask is that you clean up after dunking the clown birther….again.

  75. avatar
    Punchmaster via Mobile June 11, 2015 at 10:07 am #

    CRJ2016:
    I just like to say what a thrill it is to be listed under “The Bad” in this forum, because in the black world bad is good. Preach to me now!

    Gosh, reading the wonderful psychosis of this underwater world is really like starring at the bottom of the public pool at the drain clogged up with a wonderful array of pubic hair gathered at the bottom. The spectrum of clarity with the underwater glasses is vivid in perfect anonymity.

    But for some reason I catch a faint odor of that Baby Ruth log floating toward the drain when all of a sudden all of the patching, and protecting and painstakingly awesome defense of the indefensible comes torpedoing back in the form of Rubio, and Cruz.. Oh God Oh God Oh God.. wait, wait wait.. we didn’t mean to say that. Really?

    She passed by the secretaries of the Congressmen from no where after the entire episode had been captured in foreign territory dismissed by the virtue of not being in the jurisdiction of the United States – paused and said – “Sluts” and then she filed an amicus curiae in Judy v. Obama 14-9396 and won the hearts of all birfers.

    Go f### yourself. There, that’s all the “preaching” I can be bothered to spare on a wannabe suicide bomber like you.

  76. avatar
    Reality Check June 11, 2015 at 1:52 pm #

    Is this the guy who is so thin-skinned that he blocked me on Twitter for merely stating the obvious that your case is dead at SCOTUS? By the way Obama never defaulted on anything. So far the case has followed the path to failure set by every single other nonsense Birther case. Next week it will meet the same fate.

    CRJ2016: I just like to say what a thrill it is to be listed under “The Bad” in this forum, because in the black world bad is good. Preach to me now!

  77. avatar
    Jim June 11, 2015 at 2:51 pm #

    @Realist – Have you ever met a THICK-skinned birther?

  78. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 11, 2015 at 4:14 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Is this the guy who is so thin-skinned that he blocked me on Twitter for merely stating the obvious that your case is dead at SCOTUS? By the way Obama never defaulted on anything. So far the case has followed the path to failure set by every single other nonsense Birther case. Next week it will meet the same fate.

    Yep he’s the same coward who blocked you.

  79. avatar
    bob June 11, 2015 at 5:35 pm #

    Kemp adopted Malihi’s recommendation to remove Brooks from the ballot.

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    Rickey June 11, 2015 at 5:42 pm #

    CRJ2016:
    I just like to say what a thrill it is to be listed under “The Bad” in this forum, because in the black world bad is good. Preach to me now!

    Ah, the coward who won’t allow dissenting opinions on his blog shows up here, where he is allowed to spout his nonsense because we welcome those who disagree with us.

    And you also are disingenuous. On your blog you claim that the fact that Obama waived his right to respond to your petition doesn’t mean that you won’t be granted cert. You cite three SCOTUS cases in which the respondents right to respond was waived, yet cert was ultimately granted.

    What you conveniently omitted is the fact that in each of those three cases at least one Justice called for a response. It was not until after those responses were filed that cert was granted.

    In your case, no Justice has called for a response from Obama. It has been eight days since the case was distributed for next week’s conference, so if a response was going to be called for it would have been done by now.

    Your petition has been dead-filed. You have lost again. You will always lose, because you have only a passing acquaintance with the truth.

  81. avatar
    Reality Check June 11, 2015 at 5:56 pm #

    What Judy doesn’t realize is that when they go into deep denial like this it makes Cert Denied Mondays ll the more enjoyable.

  82. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 11, 2015 at 7:32 pm #

    That might be overly kind. Maybe “we tolerate those who disagree with us, so long as they stay somewhat civil, respect the thread topics, don’t out others and don’t start arguments for arguments sake.”

    Mr. Judy is a special case because he is a character in the story.

    Rickey: we welcome those who disagree with us.

  83. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 11, 2015 at 7:48 pm #

    He didn’t actually have a bomb.

    Punchmaster via Mobile: I can be bothered to spare on a wannabe suicide bomber like you.

  84. avatar
    Keith June 11, 2015 at 9:43 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    He didn’t actually have a bomb.

    True. He supposedly had a BoM. But what if the room had had a few open carry adherents that decided to take him out before he had a chance to trigger what he implied was a bomb.

    Suicide by ‘good guys with a gun’ would still make him a suicide BoMmer.

    And others could get caught in the crossfire. By any definition it was a terrorist act.

  85. avatar
    Benji Franklin June 11, 2015 at 10:03 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: He didn’t actually have a bomb

    Yes, Doc, when he unpresidentially threatened to detonate a briefcase bomb in the presence of over 15000 prayerful attendees at the Marriott Center (what a kidder) he never really had a bomb. Compare that to his more recent quest for the Presidency, which has bombed because, even though, ‘He the Bomb!’, he never really had a prayer.

    A newspaper at the time reported:

    “Cody Robert Judy pleaded guilty Wednesday in 4th District Court to threatening an LDS Church leader with a fake bomb at a fireside in February at Brigham Young University.

    In a plea agreement with Utah County prosecutors, Judy, 27, entered guilty pleas to one count of aggravated burglary, a first-degree felony; one count of assault, a third-degree felony; and one count of escape, a class B misdemeanor. Prosecutors dismissed one count of aggravated kidnapping and two counts of assault.Judy admitted Wednesday that he threatened Howard W. Hunter, president of the Council of the Twelve of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with a fake bomb Feb. 7 at a fireside at BYU’s Marriott Center.

    He admitted walking on the stage and telling everyone he would detonate the bomb if they did not leave. Shortly after taking the stage, Judy was tackled by members of the audience and a couple of security guards.”

    Read more at:

    http://tinyurl.com/ngk5p8t

  86. avatar
    Punchmaster via Mobile June 12, 2015 at 9:29 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    He didn’t actually have a bomb.

    Hence “wannabe”.

  87. avatar
    bob June 12, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

    In case anyone cares, the superior court ordered Kemp to put Brooks back onto the ballot (overruling Malihi).

  88. avatar
    gorefan June 12, 2015 at 1:57 pm #

    bob:
    In case anyone cares, the superior court ordered Kemp to put Brooks back onto the ballot (overruling Malihi).

    After the hearing could the judge order the SoS not to count votes for Brooks?

  89. avatar
    bob June 12, 2015 at 2:41 pm #

    gorefan: After the hearing could the judge order the SoS not to count votes for Brooks?

    Possibly. Reading between the lines, I think the judge thinks Brooks won’t survive the primary, thus mooting the eligibility challenge.

  90. avatar
    Dave June 12, 2015 at 7:14 pm #

    A quote from the linked article:

    “Judy’s attorneys say they still believe their client is incompetent and that the state’s mental health system does not adequately address his problems. They don’t believe Judy will get the care he needs if he is sent to prison.”

    To repeat, that’s what his own lawyers had to say.

    Benji Franklin:

    Read more at:

    http://tinyurl.com/ngk5p8t

  91. avatar
    Northland10 June 13, 2015 at 7:21 pm #

    john: It has always been a weakness or problem among birthers in that not a single birther has ever managed the get the question out on National TV while millions of persons watched. I do remember a number televised townhall meetings where made where persons got to ask Obama, McCain, Romney or other a question on National TV with millions of people watching. No Birther questions where ever asked.

    In 2009, on a Fox news discussion with Ann Coulter, the issue of birthers came up. Coulter responded:

    “So for CNN or MSNBC, or you Geraldo, the liberal on Fox, to be bringing this out as if it’s an issue, you know, it’s just a few cranks out there,” said Coulter.

    If Birther questions were not asked it was because the birthers were not credible, but “cranks.”

  92. avatar
    Notorial Dissent June 14, 2015 at 10:12 am #

    It’s pretty damning when even Fox thinks they cranks.