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Put your Obama conspiracy comments that don’t relate to the current articles here. This thread will close in two weeks, and maybe life as we know it.

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    Nancy R Owens June 25, 2015 at 7:40 am #

    Re:

    The venues where his speeches, meet and greets and town halls are held would be good places to distribute Sheriff Kits. Keep on him to talk about Barry’s fraudulent docs…

    Trump already knows.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 25, 2015 at 9:10 am #

    @roadburner

    The Wikipedia article on Valerie Jarrett has been protected, so that only logged-in Wikipedia editors can change it. So if any more of this WND/Klayman vandalism occurs, we’ll have at least a Wikipedia ID to tie it to, rather than an IP address.

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    roadburner June 25, 2015 at 9:32 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    @roadburner

    The Wikipedia article on Valerie Jarrett has been protected, so that only logged-in Wikipedia editors can change it. So if any more of this WND/Klayman vandalism occurs, we’ll have at least a Wikipedia ID to tie it to, rather than an IP address.

    excellent doc!

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 25, 2015 at 9:38 am #

    Nancy R Owens: Keep on him to talk about Barry’s fraudulent docs…

    Trump already knows.

    Yes Trump knows that Trump is a buffoon. There are no fraudulent docs

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 25, 2015 at 9:43 am #

    I left some comments on the Valerie Jarrett talk page about the edits being inappropriate and an anonymous person accused me of working for Valerie Jarrett. Familiar pattern.

    roadburner: excellent doc!

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    Arthur B. June 25, 2015 at 10:09 am #

    SCOTUS has issued its healthcare decision. King v. Burwell affirmed 6-3 — Obamacare wins!!!

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    Punchmaster via Mobile June 25, 2015 at 10:13 am #

    Arthur B.:
    SCOTUS has issued its healthcare decision. King v. Burwell affirmed 6-3 — Obamacare wins!!!

    And there was no joy in Rwnjville that day.

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    Rickey June 25, 2015 at 10:22 am #

    Nancy R Owens:
    Re:

    The venues where his speeches, meet and greets and town halls are held would be good places to distribute Sheriff Kits. Keep on him to talk about Barry’s fraudulent docs…

    Trump already knows.

    There is nothing that I would like better than for Trump to begin birfing again.That would be hilarious.

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    Nancy R Owens June 25, 2015 at 11:20 am #

    You can scoff at me all you like. Trump’s not going to risk anything financially unless it’s the truth. We already know that Mike Zullo is really Mike Moore and that’s out of Mike Volin’s own mouth and we also know that they have not kept their promises of exposing the fake birth certificate. That’s because Volin is Pelosi’s boy and has been for quite some time.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Yes Trump knows that Trump is a buffoon.There are no fraudulent docs

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    Arthur June 25, 2015 at 11:30 am #

    Arthur B.: SCOTUS has issued its healthcare decision. King v. Burwell affirmed 6-3 — Obamacare wins!!!

    Wonderful news!

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    Lupin June 25, 2015 at 11:42 am #

    Arthur: Wonderful news!

    I;m enjoying the sweet sweet bitter tears of the Red State community on their site.

    My favorite so far:

    afforing ncfamilyman • They can’t ruin my America and they can’t have it either. Remember Bundy and what happened in Nevada. If they come for my guns, my children, or my bible hard lessons will be retaught.

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    Pete June 25, 2015 at 12:04 pm #

    “A community forum on reforming the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office on Wednesday evening erupted in calls for Sheriff Joe Arpaio to be removed from office and taken away in handcuffs.”

    Very interesting article.

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    Arthur June 25, 2015 at 12:12 pm #

    Lupin: I;m enjoying the sweet sweet bitter tears of the Red State community on their site.

    My favorite so far:

    afforing ncfamilyman • They can’t ruin my America and they can’t have it either. Remember Bundy and what happened in Nevada. If they come for my guns, my children, or my bible hard lessons will be retaught.

    As Justice Scalia miight say, “pure applesauce.” It’s funny that the writer seemingly approves of Budy, a millionaire welfare queen, plundering land owned by “We the People,” but bemoans regular folks getting a little help to pay for health insurance.

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    Pete June 25, 2015 at 12:12 pm #

    :”Snow created a community advisory board, which convened Wednesday’s forum. The board is supposed to pass on community feedback to Snow’s independent court monitor.”

    “A man named Luis Madrid said in Spanish that a person who breaks the law is a criminal and should be treated that way.

    “We don’t want [Arpaio] to pay damages,” Madrid said. “We want him to pay by going to prison, which is what we have had to suffer. We want him to pay in his own tents.”

    I was just thinking this morning about what Arpaio has done to people, and that he’s a criminal, and that he deserves to be in one of those tents.

    Or, since that would be cruel and unusual punishment for an 83-year-old, at least behind bars.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 25, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: You can scoff at me all you like. Trump’s not going to risk anything financially unless it’s the truth. We already know that Mike Zullo is really Mike Moore and that’s out of Mike Volin’s own mouth and we also know that they have not kept their promises of exposing the fake birth certificate. That’s because Volin is Pelosi’s boy and has been for quite some time.

    Okay I’ll scoff and laugh at you like everyone else does. Trump’s not going to risk anything since what you claim and what he’s claimed in the past isn’t the truth. We know Mike Zullo and Mike Moore are two different people in two different parts of the country and are born decades apart. Mike Volin is an idiot. Why should anyone take his word as being credible?

    Lol Volin is Pelosi’s boy? That’s hilarious.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 25, 2015 at 1:54 pm #

    I’m really enjoying the epic conservative temper tantrum that today’s SCOTUS ruling brought. Picture that, but 1000x more, when they rule in favor of marriage equality.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 25, 2015 at 2:00 pm #

    Unless a prosecutor in Maricopa County is willing to take a case to the grand jury, that’s probably not going to happen. Federal Civil Rights violations are the mechanism through which much more serious crimes get at least some kind of punishment when local situations prevent prosecution of the underlying crime.

    Pete: I was just thinking this morning about what Arpaio has done to people, and that he’s a criminal, and that he deserves to be in one of those tents.

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    Nancy R Owens June 25, 2015 at 2:05 pm #

    Here’s my response to you, Ken. Volin is (or was) Nancy Pelosi’s Boy.

    As for the sound quality, that’s what you get when you don’t by an HP.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvRO1rbU6mw&feature=youtu.be

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Okay I’ll scoff and laugh at you like everyone else does.Trump’s not going to risk anything since what you claim and what he’s claimed in the past isn’t the truth.We know Mike Zullo and Mike Moore are two different people in two different parts of the country and are born decades apart.Mike Volin is an idiot.Why should anyone take his word as being credible?

    Lol Volin is Pelosi’s boy? That’s hilarious.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 25, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Here’s my response to you, Ken. Volin is (or was) Nancy Pelosi’s Boy.

    As for the sound quality, that’s what you get when you don’t by an HP.

    Lol pelosi’s boy? Volin is a crazy right wing idiot. How exactly is he her “boy”.
    So you went from claiming he is to now claiming he once was? And your proof of this is once again a rambling video from you where you can’t back up your claim.

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    Nancy R Owens June 25, 2015 at 5:54 pm #

    It’s been decades since a lot of this happened. People stay friends or they have falling outs. I really don’t know what their relationship is today.

    Does Volin have a vested interest in protecting Pelosi and not in exposing her? My answer is, “Yes.” Same goes for ZulloMoore and Arpaio where the D’Alessandro family is concerned.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Lol pelosi’s boy?Volin is a crazy right wing idiot.How exactly is he her “boy”.
    So you went from claiming he is to now claiming he once was?And your proof of this is once again a rambling video from you where you can’t back up your claim.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 25, 2015 at 9:22 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: It’s been decades since a lot of this happened. People stay friends or they have falling outs. I really don’t know what their relationship is today.

    Does Volin have a vested interest in protecting Pelosi and not in exposing her? My answer is, “Yes.” Same goes for ZulloMoore and Arpaio where the D’Alessandro family is concerned.

    Since you only made this stuff up in the last few years it hasn’t been decades. Why would Volin a tubby package store owner with a low level IQ have any interest in protecting Pelosi? We’ve explained to you that Pelosi’s family isn’t related to the D’Alessandro family you keep speaking of.

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    bgansel9 June 25, 2015 at 9:52 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: We already know that Mike Zullo is really Mike Moore

    Who is this “We” you speak of?

    We already know that you are a prime candidate for your state hospital. What YOU know is completely different from what “We” know.

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    bgansel9 June 25, 2015 at 9:57 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Unless a prosecutor in Maricopa County is willing to take a case to the grand jury, that’s probably not going to happen. Federal Civil Rights violations are the mechanism through which much more serious crimes get at least some kind of punishment when local situations prevent prosecution of the underlying crime.

    Very little chance of Arpaio spending time in Tent City, but if one searches Arpaio’s name on Pacer (Arizona district), one realizes that if these current lawsuits prevail, a whole slew of civil rights cases could be opened up and Joe might end up spending a LOT of time in the federal penitentiary.

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    donna June 26, 2015 at 8:53 am #

    6/26/2015 Donald Trump refuses to release birth certificate and passport records

    Presidential hopeful Donald Trump has refused to release his long-form birth certificate and passport records, despite demanding the same from Barack Obama during the 2012 election.

    Following Trump’s $5m offer to Obama, the Guardian contacted Trump headquarters in October 2012 to request that the businessman release his own records, given his demands that Obama release the same.

    In a heated exchange Michael Cohen, executive vice-president at the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump, accused the Guardian of “trying to be funny” and said the request for documentation was “stupid” given Trump’s then lack of political aspirations.

    “What’s your point?” Cohen said. “Mr Trump’s not the president of the United States and he’s not running for the presidency.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/26/donald-trump-refuses-release-birth-certificate-passport-records

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    Nancy R Owens June 26, 2015 at 9:59 am #

    Obviously, Trump’s trying to make a point here. That’s assuming this is a current article because the date stamp on this Guardian article is not as clear as it should be.

    donna:
    6/26/2015 Donald Trump refuses to release birth certificate and passport records

    Presidential hopeful Donald Trump has refused to release his long-form birth certificate and passport records, despite demanding the same from Barack Obama during the 2012 election.

    Following Trump’s $5m offer to Obama, the Guardian contacted Trump headquarters in October 2012 to request that the businessman release his own records, given his demands that Obama release the same.

    In a heated exchange Michael Cohen, executive vice-president at the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump, accused the Guardian of “trying to be funny” and said the request for documentation was “stupid” given Trump’s then lack of political aspirations.

    “What’s your point?” Cohen said. “Mr Trump’s not the president of the United States and he’s not running for the presidency.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/26/donald-trump-refuses-release-birth-certificate-passport-records

  26. avatar
    Jim June 26, 2015 at 10:26 am #

    This just in. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf

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    James M June 26, 2015 at 10:38 am #

    Jim:
    This just in. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf

    I was hoping that it would be clearer on point of taxes.

    Is the IRS ordered to accept joint returns from married same-sex couples?

    Will state revenue offices be so ordered as well?

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    James M June 26, 2015 at 10:49 am #

    I let the edit timer expire, sorry. I do know about IRS rule 2013-61, made after the repeal of DOMA. But that’s an agency rule that they were allowed to make, not one that they were required to make. A Jeb Bush administration could have change that rule, and also it wasn’t binding on the states. Now that the court has ruled in terms of fundamental rights (I haven’t read the decision yet), that will certainly change.

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    donna June 26, 2015 at 10:54 am #

    On June 26, 2013, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a 5–4 decision declaring Section 3 of DOMA to be unconstitutional “as a deprivation of the liberty of the person protected by the Fifth Amendment.”

    On June 26, 2003, the Supreme Court released its 6–3 decision striking down the Texas statute in Lawrence v. Texas Less

    From SCOTUS blog:

    Scalia’s dissent has an awesome footnote on page 7 (note 22): he says, “If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: ‘The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,’ I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.” He is not happy with Justice Kennedy.

    POTUS tweeted: Today is a big step in our march toward equality. Gay and lesbian couples now have the right to marry, just like anyone else. #LoveWins

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    Lupin June 26, 2015 at 11:10 am #

    Did you know that according to redstate.org (my new hilarious reading source), you liberals here are “the post-modern intellectual heirs to Danton, Marat and Robespierre [who] have marshalled their ignorant mobs.”

    If I could I’d make you all French citizens! 🙂

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    Rickey June 26, 2015 at 1:30 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: .Why would Volin a tubby package store owner with a low level IQ have any interest in protecting Pelosi?We’ve explained to you that Pelosi’s family isn’t related to the D’Alessandro family you keep speaking of.

    NRO believes that someone altered every story ever published about Pelosi’s family and changed the spelling of her maiden name from D’Alessandro to D’Alesandro in order to cover up her supposed connection with an obscure judge in Florida.

    I found Pelosi’s listing in the Trinity College yearbook for 1962 and it spells her name “D’Alesandro.”

    Apparently “they” even got someone to change the spelling on the grave of Pelosi’s father!

    http://image1.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2010/93/7530614_127039206547.jpg

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    Arthur B. June 26, 2015 at 1:34 pm #

    Rickey: Apparently “they” even got someone to change the spelling on the grave of Pelosi’s father!

    Damn they’re good.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 26, 2015 at 1:36 pm #

    Rickey: I found Pelosi’s listing in the Trinity College yearbook for 1962 and it spells her name “D’Alesandro.”

    Apparently “they” even got someone to change the spelling on the grave of Pelosi’s father!

    Yes of course every time there’s something out there that doesn’t back up her story she thinks it’s been altered. This way she never has to show any evidence to support a single one of her made up claims and can just claim it’s all a conspiracy.

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    Dave June 26, 2015 at 1:46 pm #

    I thought I’d note that on Monday Trump actually filed with the FEC.

    The first debate is scheduled for Aug 6. It will be awesome if Trump shows up. The national GOP has got to be just dying from being associated with him.

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    Arthur B. June 26, 2015 at 2:05 pm #

    Dave: The first debate is scheduled for Aug 6. It will be awesome if Trump shows up. The national GOP has got to be just dying from being associated with him.

    And yet:

    “…Trump tops the list of candidates when asked who the strongest leader is––topping Bush by two percentage points––and, amazingly, leaves every single other candidate in the dust on the question ‘Which Republican candidate do you think can best handle the economy?’

    “Trump gets 29 percent. After him is “don’t know” with 17 percent and Jeb Bush with 13 percent.”

    (from “a new CNN/WMUR New Hampshire poll” — see http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/25/062515goppoll.pdf; source: http://www.mediaite.com/online/go-ahead-and-guess-which-gop-candidate-topped-poll-about-who-can-best-handle-economy/)

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    Dave B. June 26, 2015 at 2:36 pm #

    David Farrrrrrrrrarrrrrrrrr, on why private birth notices are sooooooo much better than the ones from the Department of Health:
    “The facts contained in both of these two birth notices produced by the two Hawaiian newspapers were gathered from the same source: the “Health Bureau Statistics” section at the Hawaii’s Health Bureau (HHB), as Hawaii’s Department of Health (HDOH) was known at that time. These birth notices were not private, third-party ads, announcing the birth of their first grandchild by proud grandparents. Those announcements were printed in different sections of each newspaper (at a price). Had Obama’s (private) birth notice appeared in this section, it would have, indeed, been independent, corroborative, evidence, substantiating Obama’s state issued birth certificate. But such was not the case.
    These were “Public Service” birth announcements, all in exactly the same format, taken directly from the Health Bureau Statistics section of the Hawaii’s Health Bureau and, therefor, cannot be used to verify those same records.”

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2015/06/19/ten-years-of-blogging-a-birther-post-brings-almost-3000-comments/#comment-2099261811

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    Joey June 26, 2015 at 2:53 pm #

    Dave B.:
    David Farrrrrrrrrarrrrrrrrr, on why private birth notices are sooooooo much better than the ones from the Department of Health:
    “The facts contained in both of these two birth notices produced by the two Hawaiian newspapers were gathered from the same source: the “Health Bureau Statistics” section at the Hawaii’s Health Bureau (HHB), as Hawaii’s Department of Health (HDOH) was known at that time. These birth notices were not private, third-party ads, announcing the birth of their first grandchild by proud grandparents. Those announcements were printed in different sections of each newspaper (at a price). Had Obama’s (private) birth notice appeared in this section, it would have, indeed, been independent, corroborative, evidence, substantiating Obama’s state issued birth certificate. But such was not the case.
    These were “Public Service” birth announcements, all in exactly the same format, taken directly from the Health Bureau Statistics section of the Hawaii’s Health Bureau and, therefor, cannot be used to verify those same records.”

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2015/06/19/ten-years-of-blogging-a-birther-post-brings-almost-3000-comments/#comment-2099261811

    I’m going to give Mr. Farrar a “B” grade for his spin of newspaper birth announcements. His inventive “take” earns a grade of 90 (most birthers believe incorrectly that family members DID submit the birth notices) but his use of logic is only at 70. That’s an average of 80 points.

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    Dave B. June 26, 2015 at 3:21 pm #

    Poor guy must’ve broken a hip pulling that twist.

    Joey: I’m going to give Mr. Farrar a “B” grade for his spin of newspaper birth announcements. His inventive “take” earns a grade of 90 (most birthers believe incorrectly that family members DID submit the birth notices) but his use of logic is only at 70. That’s an average of 80 points.

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    Jim June 26, 2015 at 3:40 pm #

    Lupin: “If I could I’d make you all French citizens! :-)”

    Merci beaucoup.

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    Rickey June 26, 2015 at 4:12 pm #

    Dave B.:
    David Farrrrrrrrrarrrrrrrrr, on why private birth notices are sooooooo much better than the ones from the Department of Health:

    So after years of birthers claiming that the birth announcements prove nothing because Obama’s grandparents put them in the papers, now we have a birther complaining that they didn’t place announcements in the papers.

    Nothing like trying to have it both ways.

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    Reality Check June 26, 2015 at 4:21 pm #

    I was thinking earlier today what a historic week this was. (I am old enough to remember the old BBC TV show TW3 aka That Was The Week That Was). First following the tragedy in Charleston that symbol of racism is finally coming down, then affordable health care was maintained and finally marriage equality became the law of the land.

    I can’t remember very many weeks where so many momentous and ultimately positive things happened. Yet the Birthers are going to completely miss it. Birthers like Rambo Ike, Carl Gallups, Mike Volin, and CRJ will continue wallow in their ignorance and hatred and believing their delusions that Barack Obama is not a legitimate and great President. If Birthers had their way this week would not have happened. I feel deeply sorry for them.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 26, 2015 at 4:36 pm #

    But not so much in South Carolina, where our Republican governor and legislature have refused federal funds for Medicaid expansion.

    Reality Check: affordable health care was maintained

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 26, 2015 at 4:42 pm #

    It’s a hologram.

    Rickey: Apparently “they” even got someone to change the spelling on the grave of Pelosi’s father!

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    Jim June 26, 2015 at 4:42 pm #

    Reality Check: “I can’t remember very many weeks where so many momentous and ultimately positive things happened. Yet the Birthers are going to completely miss it. Birthers like Rambo Ike, Carl Gallups, Mike Volin, and CRJ will continue wallow in their ignorance and hatred and believing their delusions that Barack Obama is not a legitimate and great President. If Birthers had their way this week would not have happened. I feel deeply sorry for them.”

    I look at it this way, the birthers have been fighting against Obama tooth and nail for 6+ long years and this week is why…the county’s leaving them and their bigoted beliefs behind.

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    Dave B. June 26, 2015 at 4:49 pm #

    Well, at least he’s come up with something new. Such as it is. This is what passes for cutting edge stuff, when you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

    Rickey: So after years of birthers claiming that the birth announcements prove nothing because Obama’s grandparents put them in the papers, now we have a birther complaining that they didn’t place announcements in the papers.

    Nothing like trying to have it both ways.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 26, 2015 at 4:54 pm #

    Trump released his birth certificate back in 2011.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/03/examining-trumps-documentation/

    donna: Presidential hopeful Donald Trump has refused to release his long-form birth certificate and passport records, despite demanding the same from Barack Obama during the 2012 election.

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    Dave B. June 26, 2015 at 5:00 pm #

    Yeah, but unless he does it every time somebody asks, to the complete satisfaction of everyone in the universe, it doesn’t count.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Trump released his birth certificate back in 2011.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/03/examining-trumps-documentation/

  48. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 26, 2015 at 5:06 pm #

    This has been a pretty terrible week for right wing loonies.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 26, 2015 at 5:16 pm #

    There was the issue of the raised seal.

    Dave B.: Yeah, but unless he does it every time somebody asks, to the complete satisfaction of everyone in the universe, it doesn’t count.

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    Dave June 26, 2015 at 5:19 pm #

    But I suppose, in a way, it’s been a good week for those who pander to right wing loonies. Lots of fundraising material.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    This has been a pretty terrible week for right wing loonies.

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    Jim June 26, 2015 at 5:52 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: “Trump released his birth certificate back in 2011.”

    Was that where Trump was trying to prove he wasn’t the bastard child of an orangutan? Didn’t it say something like “Certificate of Live Birth” like Obama’s?

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 26, 2015 at 6:16 pm #

    “Certificate of Birth Registration.”

    Jim: Didn’t it say something like “Certificate of Live Birth” like Obama’s?

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    Nancy R Owens June 26, 2015 at 7:56 pm #

    The spirit of the law in the 80’s pertaining to Hawaii was that a birth announcement and a family Bible were sufficient evidence of a birth. That’s according to David Nixon, a professor of business law who was also murdered by me in the summer of ’85. The one thing that can negate this is if that Hawaiian family were to be murdered off and their identity stolen. You would also need the family’s killer or killers. That would be me and Griselda Blanco. Griselda is reportedly deceased.

    Rickey: So after years of birthers claiming that the birth announcements prove nothing because Obama’s grandparents put them in the papers, now we have a birther complaining that they didn’t place announcements in the papers.

    Nothing like trying to have it both ways.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 26, 2015 at 9:29 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: The spirit of the law in the 80’s pertaining to Hawaii was that a birth announcement and a family Bible were sufficient evidence of a birth. That’s according to David Nixon, a professor of business law who was also murdered by me in the summer of ’85. The one thing that can negate this is if that Hawaiian family were to be murdered off and their identity stolen. You would also need the family’s killer or killers. That would be me and Griselda Blanco. Griselda is reportedly deceased.

    There’s nothing in the law to back up the claim that all that was needed was a birth announcement and a family bible. You simply made that up. David Nixon doesn’t support you and is very much alive.

    There is no proof that a hawaiian family was murdered. You originally claim the name came from a bible now you’re claiming it was a family. You once again made this up.

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    Kate June 26, 2015 at 10:08 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    The spirit of the law in the 80’s pertaining to Hawaii was that a birth announcement and a family Bible were sufficient evidence of a birth. That’s according to David Nixon, a professor of business law who was also murdered by me in the summer of ’85. The one thing that can negate this is if that Hawaiian family were to be murdered off and their identity stolen. You would also need the family’s killer or killers. That would be me and Griselda Blanco. Griselda is reportedly deceased.

    You’ve gone back and forth between saying Nixon was alive and Nixon was killed with you having nothing to do with it and now you’re saying you killed him. Considering he’s still alive and working at PBCC, you’re lying-AGAIN.

    If all you needed was a birth announcement and family Bible, as Nixon allegedly told you, that provided NO REASON for you to forge a Hawaiian birth certificate. He was allegedly telling you that you didn’t need a birth certificate in Hawaii according to what you’re saying. When you initially told the story you made up, you said that Obama was picked out of the Bible to fool the Christian sheeple which made no sense since you were supposed to be creating the birth certificate for Obama to use to attend college. You later changed your story saying you picked the Obama name from the microfiche files that you and Griselda allegedly went through in Hawaii. You also supposedly decided that the family would have to be killed, later saying that “Allen” went with you but had to hide because he would “stand out” due to his color! You said you chose the Obama family because there were so many Hawaiian families with the name Obama. You just don’t stop spinning these crazy fairy tales. Obama is NOT a Hawaiian name. Just another huge hole in your story along with the lie about a family being murdered in 1985 except they weren’t murdered. There was no Obama family in 1985 in Hawaii. Barack Obama was living in Chicago, Barack Obama, Sr. had died in 1982 in Kenya. Ann Dunham remained in Jakarta, Indonesia until at least 1984, then her career took her to Pakistan until approximately 1987.

    The birth announcements from HDOH were legitimate and are just one of several things that can be used to verify Barack Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

    Don’t you ever get tired of all the lies you tell? You have told so many that you can’t keep them straight.

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    Nancy R Owens June 27, 2015 at 9:26 am #

    The name was selected out of newpaper archives. The selected name was one day off of his original birthdate because I was too nervous to keep searching. I wanted to get the job done.

    David Nixon, the professor of law, is dead and has been since 1985.

    I guess it’s just too inconceivable to you that they found another professor with the exact same name or gave someone a duplicate identity to cover our tracks.

    Follow the money.

    Reagan In. Castro Up.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: There’s nothing in the law to back up the claim that all that was needed was a birth announcement and a family bible.You simply made that up.David Nixon doesn’t support you and is very much alive.

    There is no proof that a hawaiian family was murdered.You originally claim the name came from a bible now you’re claiming it was a family. You once again made this up.

  57. avatar
    Nancy R Owens June 27, 2015 at 10:17 am #

    WOW!!

    Birtherism is no where near being dead. In fact, it looks like it might just be getting started. :0)

    [FROM THE ‘POLITICO’ ARTICLE]:

    In a post-script, Trump added: “Please congratulate your Mexican Government officials for having made such outstanding trade deals with the United States. However, inform them that should I become President, those days are over. We are bringing jobs back to the U.S. Also, a meaningful border will be immediately created, not the laughingstock that currently exists.”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/06/donald-trump-bans-univision-staff-from-his-miami-golf-209570.html

  58. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 27, 2015 at 5:46 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: The name was selected out of newpaper archives. The selected name was one day off of his original birthdate because I was too nervous to keep searching. I wanted to get the job done.

    Lol it’s funny how you keep jumping around and changing your story. Originally it was from a bible because of his name would throw off the christians. Now you claim it was from the papers. There was no other family named Obama in Hawaii. No you just made it up.

    Nancy R Owens: David Nixon, the professor of law, is dead and has been since 1985.

    Nope David Nixon is still alive and wasn’t a law professor.

    Nancy R Owens: I guess it’s just too inconceivable to you that they found another professor with the exact same name or gave someone a duplicate identity to cover our tracks.

    Oh yes always another conspiracy! When reality can’t back you up just claim they covered it up.

  59. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 27, 2015 at 5:46 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: In a post-script, Trump added: “Please congratulate your Mexican Government officials for having made such outstanding trade deals with the United States. However, inform them that should I become President, those days are over. We are bringing jobs back to the U.S. Also, a meaningful border will be immediately created, not the laughingstock that currently exists.”

    lol what does that have to do with birtherism? Trump is a joke.

  60. avatar
    Nancy R Owens June 27, 2015 at 7:23 pm #

    He may be a joke to you. But, he’s getting a lot of positive responses on FaceBook and Twitter.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: lol what does that have to do with birtherism?Trump is a joke.

  61. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 27, 2015 at 7:46 pm #

    The Republicans have to do something. Clinton (according the Real Clear Politics poll) is beating any and all of the other Republican challengers. Trump was not in the poll.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

    Just kidding about Trump:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/trump-on-the-rise-but-could-give-clinton-landslide.html

    Nancy R Owens: He may be a joke to you. But, he’s getting a lot of positive responses on FaceBook and Twitter.

  62. avatar
    Pete June 27, 2015 at 9:36 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The Republicans have to do something. Clinton (according the Real Clear Politics poll) is beating any and all of the other Republican challengers. Trump was not in the poll.

    Prediction: Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.

    The next President will be a Republican.

    You read it here first. June 27, 2015.

  63. avatar
    Pete June 27, 2015 at 9:37 pm #

    Of course, I’ve been wrong before. 😀

  64. avatar
    Dave June 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm #

    On Thursday, WND columnist Leo Hohmann published Watchdog lawyer says 6 supremes must be impeached, the “watchdog lawyer” being, as you have already guessed, Larry Klayman. The article quotes him extensively while not mentioning that he’s another WND columnist. And, as you have also already guessed, the 6 justices that Klayman contends we have clear grounds for impeachment are, not coincidentally, the 6 who signed this week’s majority opinion on the Obamacare case.

    On Friday, Klayman wrote his own column The Roberts Court — harbinger to revolution?. Klayman does not mention impeachment here, but as best I can summarize his incoherent rambling, he is saying that Roberts is a terrible judge, the examples Klayman mentions being this week’s Obamacare and gay marriage decisions. (Klayman never gets around to mentioning that Roberts dissented on the gay marriage decision.) And he’s pretty sure that Roberts is a bad judge doing these bad things (one of which he didn’t do) because he’s being blackmailed by the NSA, with telephone metadata. So you can help by going to the WND store and donating to Larry Klayman so he can sue the NSA some more.

  65. avatar
    Kate June 28, 2015 at 4:22 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: lol what does that have to do with birtherism?Trump is a joke.

    NRO added Trump to one of her stories stating she found him talking to her husband coincidentally after she released her info about the forgery that she didn’t create. I’m sure we’ll soon see other prominent names from the upcoming elections included in her newest stories, just like she added Volin after stating she had no idea who he was.

    She lies so much she can’t keep her stories straight, whether she’s talking about David Nixon (she originally said he was alive) or getting the Obama name from the Bible, then from the HI birther rolls and now newspaper archives.

  66. avatar
    Nancy R Owens June 28, 2015 at 9:35 am #

    No, Kate. He met him in 2006 or 2007 in what appeared to all to be an “accidental,” “two people who happen to be in the same spot” with one of them, Trump, having an hour or two to kill with chitchat with my husband who erected metal buildings in various locations including that particular south Floridian airports.

    It was also around the same time that we were paid a visit by one of the earliest members of the Medellin Cartel in Orlando and a little white boy was murdered in a field by this same cartel member. It was probably an early warning for some of us who know the true history of Obama’s birth certificates and selective service registration.

    You and Ken sure like to twist things up, don’t you? Hindsight is always 20/20 and that was no “accidental” meeting. I have not met him yet to my knowledge. I do believe that he may have been one of our targets in the early 80’s. Shipping containers.

    Adam Walsh…..the undercurrent you don’t see.

    Kate: NRO added Trump to one of her stories stating she found him talking to her husband coincidentally after she released her info about the forgery that she didn’t create.I’m sure we’ll soon see other prominent names from the upcoming elections included in her newest stories, just like she added Volin after stating she had no idea who he was.

    She lies so much she can’t keep her stories straight, whether she’s talking about David Nixon (she originally said he was alive) or getting the Obama name from the Bible, then from the HI birther rolls and now newspaper archives.

  67. avatar
    Kate June 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm #

    There is no forged b.c., long or short, no forged selective service registration or phony SS numbers. These are CT’s spread by birthers starting in ’07. You, seeing a slight resemblance between yourself and President Obama’s sister, despite the obvious difference in your ages, used a photo of yourself and started claiming you were his half-sister. You then added all these incredible stories of murder, torture, the cartel, etc. because you weren’t getting enough attention with the first part.

    Yet, to this day, none of it has worked. You’ve dragged the names of innocent people, including your own family members through such filth and have been nonchalant in describing how you allegedly killed people. However, many of the people you have claimed to have murdered are still alive and well.

    There is something seriously wrong when you’re so desperate for attention that you’ll tell these stories, not only admitting to murders but actually becoming upset if you believe someone else claimed one of your supposed “kills.”

    If there were any truth to these stories, you would have long ago been in prison because you haven’t hidden your name or where you live. Law enforcement officers are tenacious in going after those who they believe may have killed other LEO’s. There is NOBODY who could protect you if that were the case nor would they have any reason to do so. It’s just another part of your story that doesn’t hold up.

    I don’t know why you do this despite the mockery and disbelief with which your stories are received. When it came to Linda Joy Adams stories, she was never nasty IIRC. You’re far more like Orly, seeking attention from anyone & everyone, oblivious to how you are seen by society and not appearing to care, either. The worst part was seeing that you have young children who have been within hearing distance of the vile nonsense you spew. That would give a reasonable person a moment to reconsider what they are
    doing but it doesn’t seem to have an impact on you.

    Has it ever occurred to you that you’re leaving quite a legacy for your grandchildren to discover in the future if somebody doesn’t come along and do the right thing and remove all those offensive videos?

    You’ve been commenting for 3 years and as of yet I’ve seen nobody standing with you, believing what you say. A rational person would have realized the game was over long ago.

    President Barack Obama, born 8/4/1961 in Honolulu, HI to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., will leave a lasting, positive legacy. He will likely be considered to be one of the top 5 Presidents of all time. Birthers will be a tiny footnote in his history, IF mentioned at all. There is no finer retribution for all the hateful rhetoric he was subjected to by frauds on the internet.

  68. avatar
    Rickey June 28, 2015 at 12:46 pm #

    Kate: NRO added Trump to one of her stories stating she found him talking to her husband coincidentally after she released her info about the forgery that she didn’t create.I’m sure we’ll soon see other prominent names from the upcoming elections included in her newest stories, just like she added Volin after stating she had no idea who he was.

    She lies so much she can’t keep her stories straight, whether she’s talking about David Nixon (she originally said he was alive) or getting the Obama name from the Bible, then from the HI birther rolls and now newspaper archives.

    Don’t forget about her claim that some of her high school classmates were murdered. When pressed to provide some names she refused, because providing names would make it easy to prove that it’s all in her head.

  69. avatar
    Kate June 28, 2015 at 2:20 pm #

    Rickey: Don’t forget about her claim that some of her high school classmates were murdered. When pressed to provide some names she refused, because providing names would make it easy to prove that it’s all in her head.

    I remember you asking her about those in high school that were murdered and then she was suddenly hesitant to provide info despite revealing all the supposed crap she has so far.
    In one of the humorous twists in her stories, she has claimed to
    have murdered people years ago who are actually friends of hers on Facebook. It’s all part of the grand conspiracy 🙂

  70. avatar
    Krosis June 28, 2015 at 2:50 pm #

    Why do people keep writing long posts engaging with N R Owens?

  71. avatar
    Nancy R Owens June 28, 2015 at 2:55 pm #

    And, I somehow “magically” got Mike Volin to confess the truth which is that Mike Zullo is really Mike Moore.

    There are many who don’t care what happens to us or society as long as they make money off of that cocaine gold.

    Gorbechev DID walk the streets of south Florida freely in the early 80’s and he recruited many teenagers to do his dirty work while the Hendry County Sheriff’s Department, who Mike ZulloMoore works for, looked the other way.

    The Cubans and Colombians, allies of Russia, DID run mini-subs in Lake Okeechobee and may still be doing it today. Ignoring the Hispanic New World Order invasion is an old habit that seems to be continuing to this very day.

    When people like me come forth with the truth, we’re the bad guys, the nut jobs. Why? Because, it just somehow doesn’t fit in with your rosy little world.

    We’re the one who usually get murdered and I’ve been in that situation more times than I care to count.

    When Is Mike ZulloMoore going to make a move? Or has the “case” been dropped just as many have suggested although, reportedly, the MCCCP is still raking in tons of cash as though the “investigation” is still open?

    Reagan In. Castro Up.

    Kate:
    There is no forged b.c., long or short, no forged selective service registration or phony SS numbers.These are CT’s spread by birthers starting in ’07.You, seeing a slight resemblance between yourself and President Obama’s sister, despite the obvious difference in your ages, used a photo of yourself and started claiming you were his half-sister.You then added all these incredible stories of murder, torture, the cartel, etc. because you weren’t getting enough attention with the first part.

    Yet, to this day, none of it has worked.You’ve dragged the names of innocent people, including your own family members through such filth and have been nonchalant in describing how you allegedly killed people.However, many of the people you have claimed to have murdered are still alive and well.

    There is something seriously wrong when you’re so desperate for attention that you’ll tell these stories, not only admitting to murders but actually becoming upset if you believe someone else claimed one of your supposed “kills.”

    If there were any truth to these stories, you would have long ago been in prison because you haven’t hidden your name or where you live.Law enforcement officers are tenacious in going after those who they believe may have killed other LEO’s.There is NOBODY who could protect you if that were the case nor would they have any reason to do so.It’s just another part of your story that doesn’t hold up.

    I don’t know why you do this despite the mockery and disbelief with which your stories are received.When it came to Linda Joy Adams stories, she was never nasty IIRC.You’re far more like Orly, seeking attention from anyone & everyone, oblivious to how you are seen by society and not appearing to care, either.The worst part was seeing that you have young children who have been within hearing distance of the vile nonsense you spew.That would give a reasonable person a moment to reconsider what they are
    doing but it doesn’t seem to have an impact on you.

    Has it ever occurred to you that you’re leaving quite a legacy for your grandchildren to discover in the future if somebody doesn’t come along and do the right thing and remove all those offensive videos?

    You’ve been commenting for 3 years and as of yet I’ve seen nobody standing with you, believing what you say.A rational person would have realized the game was over long ago.

    President Barack Obama, born 8/4/1961 in Honolulu, HI to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., will leave a lasting, positive legacy.He will likely be considered to be one of the top 5 Presidents of all time.Birthers will be a tiny footnote in his history, IF mentioned at all. There is no finer retribution for all the hateful rhetoric he was subjected to by frauds on the internet.

  72. avatar
    Kate June 28, 2015 at 4:01 pm #

    Krosis:
    Why do people keep writing long posts engaging with N R Owens?

    Probably for the same reasons that others argue with Sven and John for the past few years. I keep thinking that maybe she’ll wake up to the fact that she’s not credible and get the help she needs. Stupid? Probably, but as a Nurse Practitioner, I find it hard to give up on anyone although my last post to her today was as close as I’ve come so far.
    You do have the option of not reading them 🙂

  73. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 28, 2015 at 5:58 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: He may be a joke to you. But, he’s getting a lot of positive responses on FaceBook and Twitter.

    Not just to me but to the majority of Americans. Wow I wasn’t aware that facebook and twitter is an accurate gauge considering trump deletes any negative tweets towards him.

  74. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 28, 2015 at 6:01 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: No, Kate. He met him in 2006 or 2007 in what appeared to all to be an “accidental,” “two people who happen to be in the same spot” with one of them, Trump, having an hour or two to kill with chitchat with my husband who erected metal buildings in various locations including that particular south Floridian airports.

    “accidental” as in your made the whole story up and it never happened.

    Besides I thought you said mike moore/mike zullo was your husband?

    Nancy R Owens: You and Ken sure like to twist things up, don’t you? Hindsight is always 20/20 and that was no “accidental” meeting. I have not met him yet to my knowledge. I do believe that he may have been one of our targets in the early 80’s. Shipping containers.

    We don’t twist anything up. You lie with impunity and when caught change your stories.

  75. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 28, 2015 at 6:02 pm #

    Rickey: Don’t forget about her claim that some of her high school classmates were murdered. When pressed to provide some names she refused, because providing names would make it easy to prove that it’s all in her head.

    She’s just as crazy as Linda Joy Adams whom when pressed to name some of her coworkers caught in the attack she refused.

    But don’t you know even if she provided the names and we checked them out she’ll just claim that the conspiracy replaced all those people with doppelgangers.

  76. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 28, 2015 at 6:49 pm #

    Beats me.

    Krosis:
    Why do people keep writing long posts engaging with N R Owens?

  77. avatar
    Krosis June 29, 2015 at 4:15 am #

    Kate: Probably for the same reasons that others argue with Sven and John for the past few years.

    At least, John is sane and doesn’t make ridiculous claims other than the usual birther fare. Sven is (was?) more NRO-like, I admit.

    I don’t really mind reading rebuttals to NRO, I just find is strange that people spend a lot of effort on them.

  78. avatar
    RanTalbott June 29, 2015 at 8:20 am #

    Well, Gallups apparently spent most of Free Dumb Friday breathlessly predicting Homogeddon, but he made a passing reference to the investimagination, so BR excerpted a few minutes of it.

    Carl was bragging that the people who doubted his past predictions “got burned”, and claimed that the people who doubted him on The Obama Frogmarching would, too. So, I posted a reminder that the people who believed him already had been, with a brief list of some of the biggest failures of the past few years 😉

    The ex-Catholic in me feels a _little_ guilt about rubbing salt in their self-inflicted wounds, but there really should be a short-term price to pay for the nastiness to others with which they did it. I like to think of it as “society enforcing standards of decent behavior”…

  79. avatar
    Lupin June 29, 2015 at 8:25 am #

    Sans commentaires:

    http://trendingstylist.com/pregnant-texas-woman/

  80. avatar
    Notorial Dissent June 29, 2015 at 8:29 am #

    Not to defend either John or Svenski, but they at least come across as semi intelligent, well for mollusks I suppose, and if you had been sleeping under a bridge for the last twenty years or so like they might even know what they were taking about, and therefore warrant rebuttal, even if it was a constant necessity, whereas NRO comes across from the get go as stark staring 50 cards short of a deck. Personally, i find her grossly offensive, and not warranting of even the slightest attention, it is self evident that she is what she is, and should be ignored without comment as the class fool. To put not too fine a point on it, if I see that NRO has posted, I don’t even bother with the topic, since I know it will be off in the weeds and not worth bothering with.

  81. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 29, 2015 at 8:43 am #

    Joel Gilbert, producer of “Dreams from my Real Father” smear-umentary, has new film saying Paul McCartney really died in 1966.

    http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/paul_mccartney_really_is_not_dead

  82. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 29, 2015 at 9:35 am #

    Krosis: At least, John is sane and doesn’t make ridiculous claims other than the usual birther fare. Sven is (was?) more NRO-like, I admit.

    I don’t really mind reading rebuttals to NRO, I just find is strange that people spend a lot of effort on them.

    A lot of effort? It’s not hard to refute what she says considering she just makes stuff up

  83. avatar
    Nancy R Owens June 29, 2015 at 10:39 am #

    It looks as though Abel Danger is going to have an interesting show today discussing Jeb Bush and his cocaine murders. I was a hitman for one of them mid flight just after the Gorbechev incident which I’m sure Bush, Jr claimed as his own even thought they had no clue Gorbechev was even walking on our American soil building up an American guerrilla army to continue with the political assassinations like the Reagan shooting.

    Gotti is the one who made that call.

    After these particular murders, I was foolish enough to seek help from Bill Clinton while living in Conway, Arkansas and ended up raped and tortured for my efforts.

    The good new is that shortly afterwards is when we acquired the semen on the blue dress because Clinton is truly an idiot who grossly underestimated my Medellin Cartel handlers.

    Here’s the link for those interested:

    http://livestream.com/abeldanger/events/4163501?origin=event_published&mixpanel_id=13b098512391224-070977193-5e683277-1aeaa0-13b0985123a115f&acc_id=8995038&medium=email

  84. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 29, 2015 at 12:07 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Here’s the link for those interested:

    No one cares Nancy.

  85. avatar
    Kate June 29, 2015 at 1:05 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: No one cares Nancy.

    And with her latest posts, she’s decided to double down on the crazy. Yes, she’s hopeless. After everything that was said, she comes back with the usual, “you can’t handle the truth.” She’s gone from, “I’d have to see Gotti up close to know if he was there or not” to having him on her speed-dial and ordering an alleged hit. She has one of the wildest imaginations I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading.

    FWIW, I do find her posts about killing people repulsive especially when she talks about killing children and says it in a matter-of-fact manner. She is not bothered in the least by talking about it. Dr. Ken, although you’ve told her repeatedly that no one cares and I’ve told her nobody believes her, she still likes to come here and ramble on. I’d be happy to ignore her and see if she’ll go away but I don’t think there is any other place that tolerates her and since this is Doc’s site, that decision remains up to him.

    It is nice to know that in the end, Barack Obama remains President and he’s had one of the best week’s of his Presidency that has resulted in many more happy and secure couples and families headed by same-sex parents. I like to think about the security that these children now have, knowing that nobody can take them away from one parent or another if their partner should die. We now have healthcare for millions more people and nobody has to worry about going bankrupt or getting kicked off their insurance due to their diagnosis. What a legacy President Obama will leave and that alone is something nobody, especially the crazy birthers, can take away from him. Amen!

  86. avatar
    Crustacean June 29, 2015 at 1:34 pm #

    Oh my! I don’t think “ornery” is the word Angie’s Dad was looking for. But I do think he may be the real pig here…

    Lupin: Sans commentaires:

    http://trendingstylist.com/pregnant-texas-woman/

  87. avatar
    Nancy R Owens June 29, 2015 at 2:40 pm #

    Abel’s spouting the same old fabricated nonsense. Sorry about that.

  88. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 29, 2015 at 2:50 pm #

    This weekend has been full of delicious schadenfreude. The internet has been flooded with bitter tears of doughy right wingers balling about ACA and Gay Marriage. I think after a few weeks of bitching and blubbering the lot of them will, for the most part, resign themselves to quietly muttering every time the latter subject is brought up.

  89. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 29, 2015 at 5:45 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    Abel’s spouting the same old fabricated nonsense. Sorry about that.

    Hmmm that sounds pretty familiar, you’re not related are you?

  90. avatar
    Pete June 29, 2015 at 5:48 pm #

    Nancy, why don’t you go do some volunteer charity work? It would get you out of the house, you could meet some people, and you would have the satisfaction of knowing you had made a contribution somewhere.

  91. avatar
    Rickey June 29, 2015 at 5:53 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    This weekend has been full of delicious schadenfreude. The internet has been flooded with bitter tears of doughy right wingers balling about ACA and Gay Marriage. I think after a few weeks of bitching and blubbering the lot of them will, for the most part, resign themselves to quietly muttering every time the latter subject is brought up.

    And several interesting decisions today. The court ruled that voters who live in states which allow referendums are free to take away the ability to redistrict from state legislatures and give the power of redistricting to an independent commission.

    SCOTUS also stayed the Texas law which would have forced many abortion clinics in the state to shut down. However, SCOTUS has not yet ruled on whether to grant cert on the underlying case, which upheld the law.

    In a case involving Obamacare, Justice Alito had put on hold a Court of Appeals order in Pennsylvania that religious organizations do not have to provide contraception benefits to employees even if the government pays for it. SCOTUS lifted the hold today, so those employees will get contraception benefits, at least until the underlying case is ruled upon.

  92. avatar
    Dave B. June 29, 2015 at 8:50 pm #

    I’m seeing a minor bump in interest in Minor v. Happersett in light of the Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage.

  93. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 30, 2015 at 1:31 am #

    Shurfjoke is “offended”, so he’s asking for it to be removed. I hope he’s told “Go slam your dick in a car door!”, or something to that effect.

  94. avatar
    roadburner June 30, 2015 at 5:09 am #

    hey! maybe we should get in touch with pamela gellar and get her to support the freedom of speech of another satirical cartoonist being persecuted!

  95. avatar
    Jim June 30, 2015 at 1:28 pm #

    Rand Paul is wooing the marijuana industry… http://www.thecannabist.co/2015/06/28/rand-paul-denver-marijuana-industry-fundraiser/37001/?source=r

    “Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul’s trip to Colorado this week includes a first for a presidential candidate: a fundraiser with the marijuana industry.

    The Republican is raising money Tuesday at the Cannabis Business Summit in Denver in what an industry trade group is billing as a history making event. “Never before has a major-party presidential candidate held a reception at a cannabis industry event, and NCIA is proud to host Senator Paul,” the National Cannabis Industry Association said in an email promoting the event, which was first reported by Yahoo News.”

    Maybe he’ll fire one up with them…great photo-op! Get him in good with the stoner vote! Now if they’d only stay straight enough to get up and vote…

  96. avatar
    Reality Check June 30, 2015 at 3:27 pm #

    Re: Comment of the Day

    Is that guy saying that Gallups will have a bounty on his head or President Obama?

  97. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 30, 2015 at 5:50 pm #

    It must be some seriously painful salt in the wound for birthers, when it was announced that Obama’s approval rating is the highest it’s been in two years. He’ll be remembered as a man who helped bring about a lot of positive change, for generations to come, while they’ll be remembered as a bunch of racist kooks, for about fifteen minutes.

  98. avatar
    Dave B. June 30, 2015 at 8:11 pm #

    Which just goes to show that a lot of dissatisfaction has come from people who think he hasn’t gone far enough with a “liberal agenda.”

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    It must be some seriously painful salt in the wound for birthers, when it was announced that Obama’s approval rating is the highest it’s been in two years. He’ll be remembered as a man who helped bring about a lot of positive change, for generations to come, while they’ll be remembered as a bunch of racist kooks, for about fifteen minutes.

  99. avatar
    James M June 30, 2015 at 8:45 pm #

    Dave B.: Which just goes to show that a lot of dissatisfaction has come from people who think he hasn’t gone far enough with a “liberal agenda.”

    I’ve tried and failed to explain to people that their opposition to various current Trade Agreement issues are the result of a massive, largely successful disinformation campaign aimed at seeding dissent among progressives. I’ve met opposition from people who seem convinced that their objections are their own, and not the result of being manipulated into opposing something that they don’t actually understand. It is disappointing to engage people who are steadfastly passionate about something that they cannot explain at all, and even more disappointing when it becomes clear that the most vocal opposition comes from the people with the least amount of background in economics, trade in the global marketplace, or even public finance. It seems to be entirely lost on them that the US economy is not sustainable without foreign trade in the expanding and emerging markets of Asia, and it hasn’t helped to ask them to investigate their 401(k)’s and other investments in order to understand that all those well-performing mutual funds in the “emerging markets” and “energy” sector are at risk if the US surrenders it leverage in those marketplaces.

    When I attempt to make any argument to suggest that the Trans-Pacific Partnership might not be the end of the USA, I’m met with disbelief and derision, and the sense is almost exactly like being called “Obot” by the birthers. The difference is, when the birthers insult me, I can take pride in it. But when progressives fail to understand the basic concepts behind the things they claim to oppose, it’s only frustrating.

    What’s especially frustrating is the persistent claim that the TPP is being developed under a total cloud of secrecy, a complete information embargo, but when confronted on this claim, the people complaining about it are uniformly entirely uninformed by the information that is *not* secret. If these individuals were able to articulate their reasons for objecting to the secrecy, it would mainly be a matter of objecting to the fact that all meetings between all parties involved in this massive, decade-long undertaking are not held in the light of day with their minutes and draft documents disclosed publicly. No one with any legitimate degree of negotiation practice either in business or government would consider that a reasonable objection, but it is certainly being voiced.

    It is heartbreaking to see something that should be regarded as one of the Obama Administration’s most significant achievements being clouded by disinformation, and frustrating to realize that the disinformation campaign has been wildly successful to the point that people who should know better have already become unwilling to question the basis for their opposition. In some ways this is more frustrating than arguing with birthers, because President Obama’s most fervent supporters appear to be buying into the idea that negotiating enduring leverage for the United States in matters of trade in the Asia-Pacific sphere is in some way an anti-American effort, even suggesting that it is tantamount to (literally) slavery based on some misrepresentations of the Malaysian government and society.

    It’s been shocking, and I welcome any discussion on the subject, and advice for persuading otherwise well-aligned progressives who have been manipulated into opposition.

    Thank you, and have a happy Independence Day

  100. avatar
    Keith June 30, 2015 at 11:34 pm #

    James M: I’ve tried and failed to explain to people that their opposition to various current Trade Agreement issues are the result of a massive, largely successful disinformation campaign aimed at seeding dissent among progressives.

    It’s been shocking, and I welcome any discussion on the subject, and advice for persuading otherwise well-aligned progressives who have been manipulated into opposition.

    Well, I for one acknowledge that one particular point that irritates me no end is not from my personal knowledge, but from the opposition campaign.

    That point is the enshrinement of the “Investor-State Dispute Settlement” (ISDS). ISDS allows foreign companies (in any of the participating countries) to challenge local laws (of any of the other participating countries) and sue for damages.

    This is not a trivial point nor is it a ‘storm in a tea-kettle’. It is an absolute deal breaker for me. If you think that I, or other opponents, are beating this issue up, you need to know that a similar clause, in the Australia/Hong Kong agreement from 1993 is being used by Phillip-Morris Tobacco to challenge Australia’s tobacco plain packaging law. Tobacco plain packaging—investor-state arbitration.

    The Washington Post article on the topic has other examples showing how foreign companies can violate the sovereignty of participating companies in this way. WaPo is far from my ‘go-to’ source for opinion, but they seem to have it pretty much right in this case.

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership clause everyone should oppose

    The TPP may indeed have some positive benefits for some of the participants and disadvantages for others. Each participating country has to weigh that up for themselves, but as I said, for me, this is a deal breaker.

  101. avatar
    Keith June 30, 2015 at 11:45 pm #

    Here is the US official discussion of ISDS.

    Office of the US Trade Representative: Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS)

    Which, naturally, defends US agreements as ‘different’ than other country’s ISDS agreements. This is wrong. The ISDS system in international and consistent, otherwise it wouldn’t be of use. The point is to maintain consistency, not make each one different.

    Only it doesn’t make it consistent, as WaPo points out, Foreign Tobacco companies can take Governments to ISDS for regulating tobacco, but Foreign Labor Unions cannot take Governments to ISDS for illegally paying slave wages.

  102. avatar
    Keith June 30, 2015 at 11:52 pm #

    I ran out of editing time on the above post…

    I notice that the US State Department cites the Phillip-Morris case against Australia in its response and claims it has ‘fixed’ this problem. But it doesn’t describe how it has done so. (relying on the old “American Exceptionalism” argument perhaps?)

    Until International agreement to fix the potential abuses in the ISDS system is obtained, the ISDS remains an obsolete solution to a problem which can be handled by other ‘modern’ solutions.

  103. avatar
    roadburner July 1, 2015 at 5:35 am #

    looks like BR s pushing the `he’s a muslim and indonesian citizen’ bit again….

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/06/cnn-reports-obamas-muslim-background.html

    funny, but if they are taking it as gospel and believe everything on it is true, they really should highlight the place of birth on it – honalulu, hawaii – as well.

    but that negates the indonesian citizenship bit, and religion?…well the constitution has something to say about that 😀

    poor birfoons, just recycling left as an option.

  104. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 1, 2015 at 8:02 am #

    Isn’t it ironic birthers can spend hours talking about “Hawaii, Kenya” (actually a building in a holiday resort where buildings are named after places) but don’t even mention Trump’s “Jamaica, NY”?

  105. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 1, 2015 at 8:04 am #

    Keith: This is not a trivial point nor is it a ‘storm in a tea-kettle’. It is an absolute deal breaker for me.

    Basically the strongest point of criticism over here in Europe as well.

  106. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 1, 2015 at 8:42 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I think after a few weeks of bitching and blubbering the lot of them will, for the most part, resign themselves to quietly muttering every time the latter subject is brought up.

    They’ll just switch to the next thing that will, once it happens, bring about the end times or the end of Murica as we know it, or the NWO, or Marshall (sic!) Law etc. “for reals this time we swear!”
    First it was Obama, then his re-election, then Obamacare, then Hillary’s election, then gay marriage – they’ve predicted so many ends of the world that never came that “cult” is the only explanation anyone even listens to that anymore.

  107. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 1, 2015 at 8:45 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Joel Gilbert, producer of “Dreams from my Real Father” smear-umentary, has new film saying Paul McCartney really died in 1966.

    New? The movie predates his Obama movie. Another reason most people didn’t take “Dreams from my real father” seriously.
    It’s also a well-known (though mostly not serious) conspiracy theory, just like we Germans have the Bielefeld conspiracy (stating the town of Bielefeld does not exist) that even our chancellor humorously endorsed.

  108. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 1, 2015 at 9:19 am #

    In case anyone is interested, John’s candidate just filed suit against Univision for cancelling the Miss Universe broadcast. Notably, Univision has offered to pay Trump et al the full amount of licensing fees ($13.5 million), but Donald wants $500 million in “damages”.

    I’d be interested in hearing any comments from attorneys or business people who, unlike me, are familiar with show biz. Seems to me, with Univision willing to pay the full licensing contract price of $13.5 million, Donald doesn’t have much to stand on.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/270123186/Univision-Complaint

  109. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 1, 2015 at 9:35 am #

    Donald Trump stands up for his country. Univision punishes him by dropping, what, three of his shows and all they’re offering is 13.5 million?! Get real. Univision needs to be dropped from every cable companies lineup. Let’s see how they like it.

    They’re going to find out Trump’s a lot smarter than they give him credit. And, I think we’re all going to be pleasantly surprised when this plays out to its “fruition” because I do not think that “Obama” is my true half brother and that he, Obama, is either an actor or an imposter who stole the stolen Hawaiin identity.

    Yes, we killed the family whose identity we stole so don’t come back at me with accusations of twisting my history around because you can’t quite comprehend what we all see playing out in the political arena today.

    This is Russia’s plan and Trump is countering their moves as best he can and with very little support from those too ignorant to understand how deadly this game is.

    Adam Walsh….The Undercurrent You Don’t See.

    J.D. Sue:
    In case anyone is interested, John’s candidate just filed suit against Univision for cancelling the Miss Universe broadcast.Notably, Univision has offered to pay Trump et al the full amount of licensing fees ($13.5 million), but Donald wants $500 million in “damages”.

    I’d be interested in hearing any comments from attorneys or business people who, unlike me, are familiar with show biz.Seems to me, with Univision willing to pay the full licensing contract price of $13.5 million, Donald doesn’t have much to stand on.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/270123186/Univision-Complaint

  110. avatar
    Reality Check July 1, 2015 at 1:09 pm #

    This might merit an article Doc. Epectitus at the Fogbow got curious when Sharon Rondeau claimed Walt Fitzpatrick graduated 3rd in his class at the Naval Academy in 1975. Epi found the class rankings. It turns out that Walt graduated late and was ranked 800 out of a class of 815 with a GPA of 2.15/4.00.

    http://thefogbow.com/forum/topic/527-walter-fitzpatrick/?do=findComment&comment=664295

  111. avatar
    Reality Check July 1, 2015 at 1:20 pm #

    I will have to see if I can find the exact quote from Rondeau. She may have implied he was ranked third in his class without actually stating it. We all know how Sharon works.

    Edit: Nope she really claimed that.
    http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/07/retired-lt-colonel-to-file-lawsuit.html

  112. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 1, 2015 at 1:50 pm #

    J.D. Sue:
    Trump pinatas!

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/28/donald-trump-pinatas-now-available-for-mexicans-fed-up-with-racist-badmouthing-imagesvideo/

    Unlike the real Trump, these are full of delicious candy, rather than sawdust and farts.

  113. avatar
    Rickey July 1, 2015 at 2:32 pm #

    Reality Check:
    I will have to see if I can find the exact quote from Rondeau. She may have implied he was ranked third in his class without actually stating it. We all know how Sharon works.

    Edit: Nope she really claimed that.
    http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/07/retired-lt-colonel-to-file-lawsuit.html

    I had forgotten about that. Did McConnell ever file his threatened lawsuit?

  114. avatar
    Notorial Dissent July 1, 2015 at 2:38 pm #

    I think the idea of a Trump pinata has lots of marketing potential, particulaly since he has just created a whole new market for them.

  115. avatar
    Sef July 1, 2015 at 2:57 pm #

    Joey: I’m going to give Mr. Farrar a “B” grade for his spin of newspaper birth announcements. His inventive “take” earns a grade of 90 (most birthers believe incorrectly that family members DID submit the birth notices) but his use of logic is only at 70. That’s an average of 80 points.

    So, you’ve decided to “grade on the curve”. An absolute grade would be an F-minus.

  116. avatar
    Northland10 July 1, 2015 at 7:30 pm #

    Rickey: I had forgotten about that. Did McConnell ever file his threatened lawsuit?

    Nope.

  117. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 2, 2015 at 6:56 am #

    Sef: An absolute grade would be an F-minus.

    With another deduction for intellectual dishonesty:

    Had Obama’s (private) birth notice appeared in this section, it would have, indeed, been independent, corroborative, evidence, substantiating Obama’s state issued birth certificate.

    A birther claiming anything said by the Obama family would be considered as “evidence” by him is amazing chutzpah.

    Final mark: H. (As in “preparation”).

    Quoting my old Latin teacher (not referring to me): “That was so bad, I regret the marks only go down to F. You would deserve an H for that.” (The original quote of course used the respective German marks of 6 and 8.)

  118. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 2, 2015 at 8:41 am #

    Ted Cruz on natural born citizenship

    Legally, it’s not an issue at all. Watch the brief video:

    http://fusion.net/video/159305/ted-cruz-seriously-i-am-not-canadian-anymore/

  119. avatar
    Jim July 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm #

    Former Virginia Senator Jim Webb tosses his hat into the ring…
    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/former-virginia-sen-jim-webb-announces-candidacy-123048280886.html

    The democrat field just got a little more interesting IMO

  120. avatar
    roadburner July 3, 2015 at 10:54 am #

    bird-boy seems to be MIA over at BR

    who thinks his family has had him committed?

  121. avatar
    Arthur July 3, 2015 at 3:28 pm #

    roadburner:
    bird-boy seems to be MIA over at BR

    who thinks his family has had him committed?

    I propose that birdboy is afraid Dr. C will unmask him. He hates the thought of being outed more than he hates Obama.

  122. avatar
    Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 6:01 pm #

    From Mario over on the WFP mega-thread:

    Ksdb, the Obot Boobs are just lying talkers. They have nothing to back them up other than their twisted and destructive politics. Their greatest fame is resort to pretend race, color, inequality, and conspiracy. In fact, Dr. Conspiracy is their de facto leader.

    Get our Anti-Obot case before anyone with a little sense and honesty, and we win hands down every time.

    Is it just me or is Mario becoming less and less articulate? In any case Doc, since you are apparently our leader, congratulations on your unblemished record in court! Way to pwn Mario and the rest!

  123. avatar
    Dave B. July 5, 2015 at 6:13 pm #

    You can set your calendar by Marius. He’s always more Apuzzo on the weekends.

    Slartibartfast:
    From Mario over on the WFP mega-thread:

    Is it just me or is Mario becoming less and less articulate?In any case Doc, since you are apparently our leader, congratulations on your unblemished record in court!Way to pwn Mario and the rest!

  124. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 5, 2015 at 6:58 pm #

    Slartibartfast:
    From Mario over on the WFP mega-thread:

    Is it just me or is Mario becoming less and less articulate?In any case Doc, since you are apparently our leader, congratulations on your unblemished record in court!Way to pwn Mario and the rest!

    Beyond inarticulate. I think he has the early onset of some degenerative brain disorder. Look at how he handled John C. Fremont and backed down so easily when he couldn’t prove his claim?

  125. avatar
    Keith July 5, 2015 at 11:41 pm #

    Slartibartfast: From Mario over on the WFP mega-thread:

    Ksdb, the Obot Boobs are just lying talkers.

    Obot Boobs? Pictures or it didn’t happen.

  126. avatar
    bovril July 7, 2015 at 7:48 am #

    Whoa!!!!

    Almost 8,000 comments on the thread…7,929 as of right now

    Probably 1/4 or more are from Failio the Putz….. it’s almost as if

    A. He has no life
    B. He is being compensated for his nonsense on a piece rate basis per word……

  127. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 7, 2015 at 10:45 am #

    OK…now I’m curious. What do you think happened to him/her?

    bovril:
    Whoa!!!!

    Almost 8,000 comments on the thread…7,929 as of right now

    Probably 1/4 or more are from Failio the Putz….. it’s almost as if

    A.He has no life
    B.He is being compensated for his nonsense on a piece rate basis per word……

  128. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 7, 2015 at 11:13 am #

    Keith: Obot Boobs? Pictures or it didn’t happen.

    Be careful what you wish for; my Obot ManBoobs, once seen, cannot be unseen.

  129. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 7, 2015 at 11:44 am #

    June 26th is the gift that keeps on giving. Every conservative blogger I look in on has been crying non-stop about how their freedoms are being taken away, because that mean old SCOTUS dared to expand basic human freedoms to gays. Plus its been loads of fun watching the GOP presidential hopefuls torpedo their chances by doubling down on their bigotry. At this rate, It’ll be a slam dunk for the Democrats in 2016.

  130. avatar
    Rickey July 7, 2015 at 12:34 pm #

    If anyone is following to see if CRJ’s application for an extension of times gets ruled upon before next Monday, it has been given its own docket number:

    No. 15A25
    Title:
    Cody Robert Judy, Applicant
    v.
    Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al.
    Docketed:
    Linked with 14-9396
    Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
    Case Nos.: (14-4136)

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jun 29 2015 Application (15A25) for an extension of time within which to comply with the order of June 22, 2015, submitted to Justice Sotomayor.

  131. avatar
    donna July 7, 2015 at 3:11 pm #

    Dinesh D’Souza Circulates Fake Photo Of Hillary Clinton With Confederate Flag

    “Look closely at this Hillary photo; isn’t that a Confederate flag behind her on the bookshelf?”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dinesh-souza-fake-hillary-clinton-photo

  132. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 7, 2015 at 3:41 pm #

    So I have a question. Because of my peculiar hobby, I end up viewing a lot of conservative images, a number of them faked, or charts with fake or misleading information on them. On the other hand, I don’t see much liberal content. Is this dishonesty with images a characteristically RWNJ thing, or does the extreme left do it just as much?

    donna: Dinesh D’Souza Circulates Fake Photo Of Hillary Clinton With Confederate Flag

  133. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 7, 2015 at 9:18 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is this dishonesty with images a characteristically RWNJ thing

    Yes.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    does the extreme left do it just as much?

    No.

  134. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund July 8, 2015 at 12:25 am #

    Bonsall Obot:

    No.

    …not as much; they do do it to a certain extent, though

  135. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 8, 2015 at 12:46 am #

    “Just as much?”
    No. Not even close.
    I answered the question that was asked.

  136. avatar
    Lupin July 8, 2015 at 6:52 am #

    W. Kevin Vicklund: …not as much; they do do it to a certain extent, though

    I’m a regular visitor to DAILY KOS, BALLOON JUICE, ATRIOS and DIGBY (all “lefty” sites) and I don’t recall seeing anything as ludicrous as I’ve seen on RED STATE or FREE REPUBLIC. Some may be offended, yes, but their stuff is more grounded in reality than the right-wing stuff which can often be quite lunatic.

  137. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund July 8, 2015 at 8:10 am #

    So we’re all in agreement, then.

  138. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 8, 2015 at 1:05 pm #

    W. Kevin Vicklund:
    So we’re all in agreement, then.

    Indeed, despite your having said “they do do it to a certain extent, though,” for no apparent reason other than poisoning the well and making the point that “both sides do it!”

    When one party does something orders of magnitude more often and more egregiously than another, finding one or two examples and then claiming “they do do it to a certain extent though,” when no one claimed otherwise, as if you’ve made some sort of point (you haven’t,) is a common derailing tactic. It’s dishonest and unhelpful, and you’ve now been caught out doing it.

  139. avatar
    bob July 8, 2015 at 1:45 pm #

    Since the latest Judy thread closed: Sotomayor denied Judy’s application for an extension of time to pay his filing fee and submit briefs.

    As Judy claims he’s raised only around $1500 so far, he’ll be toast by the time the July 13 deadline passes.

  140. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 8, 2015 at 2:00 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Is this dishonesty with images a characteristically RWNJ thing, or does the extreme left do it just as much?

    Not sure about actually manipulated images, but when it comes to fake or out-of-context quotes on images, both sides are guilty of it.

    donna: Dinesh D’Souza Circulates Fake Photo Of Hillary Clinton With Confederate Flag

    And why not? His followers will readily believe he somehow got the “original” (he’s blocked me on Twitter so I can’t read the discussion) and Getty’s has a “doctored” version – without ever asking Dinesh where he got his version from.
    It’s easy preaching to a choir of people aching to be deceived.
    You could photoshop Hillary or Obama on a 1933 photo and the gullible will see it as proof they orchestrated the Third Reich.

  141. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund July 8, 2015 at 3:21 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Indeed, despite your having said “they do do it to a certain extent, though,” for no apparent reason other than poisoning the well and making the point that “both sides do it!”

    When one party does something orders of magnitude more often and more egregiously than another, finding one or two examples and then claiming “they do do it to a certain extent though,” when no one claimed otherwise, as if you’ve made some sort of point (you haven’t,) is a common derailing tactic. It’s dishonest and unhelpful, and you’ve now been caught out doing it.

    Not the point I was trying to make, but I’ll accept that I didn’t make my point very well. I saw this immediately after dealing with an egregious example from the left, probably should have just shut myself the fuck up.

  142. avatar
    Thomas Brown July 8, 2015 at 3:48 pm #

    W. Kevin Vicklund:
    So we’re all in agreement, then.

    Pretty much… except for the fact that there IS no “Extreme Left” anymore. They dried up and blew away… except the ones with tenure, that is. When’s the last time you heard any Democrat or Liberal say “capitalism must be destroyed” or “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need?” Hard-core leftists are as rare as the ivory-billed woodpecker.

  143. avatar
    Rickey July 8, 2015 at 4:48 pm #

    bob:
    Since the latest Judy thread closed: Sotomayor denied Judy’s application for an extension of time to pay his filing fee and submit briefs.

    As Judy claims he’s raised only around $1500 so far, he’ll be toast by the time the July 13 deadline passes.

    Yes, and even if he has the money to pay the filing fee, he only has two days left to get the 40+ copies of his petition printed and mailed out. He admitted on his blog yesterday that he isn’t going to be able to have the bound copies made:

    “The Court stated that the fees were to be paid to the Court and the Printing requirements full filled that would cost around $4,000 would need to be done by July 13th. We tried to raise the money but failed to do so in the time allowed specified in that Order of the Court made June 18th. We did however raise enough money to get this APPLICATION filed and Docketed in the time that was needed to get that done at least, but we are on the chopping block folks.”

    So far he hasn’t acknowledged Sotomayor’s denial on his blog.

    I wonder if his donors will ask for their money back. If not, he can now afford a few more trips to McDonald’s.

  144. avatar
    donna July 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm #

    Today, Trump romped into birtherism, sort of

    NBC News’s Katy Tur asked Trump, “Why should people believe your numbers when you come out here and say they are committing our crimes, and they’re in our jails, and they’re murdering us and taking our jobs? A few years ago, you led the birther movement. You sent investigators out to Hawaii to find out whether or not Obama, as you said, was not born here, and it turned out not to be true.”

    Trump answered, “Well, I don’t know, according to you, it’s not true. Well, I don’t know.”

    Tur replied, “He released his birth certificate.”

    Trump quickly tried to change the subject, “If you believe that, that’s fine. I don’t care. I’m about jobs. I’m about security. I’m about fixing the military. I’m about taking care of our vets. I am about things. You don’t have to bring up old subjects. Whether he did or not, who knows? A lot of people disagree with you on that.”

    around 5:58

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-the-full-unedited-donald-trump-interview-480244291643