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The occasional open thread: peal me another grape

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  1. avatar
    bgansel9 July 9, 2015 at 11:49 am #

    Donald Trump is coming to Phoenix to meet with Joe Arpaio. I wonder if Trump is considering Arpaio for VP? LMAO

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/07/08/trump-coming-to-arizona-arpaio/29875941/

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    The Magic M (not logged in) July 9, 2015 at 11:59 am #

    That would be too priceless. I’ve already opened a bottle of champagne after Trump actually announced he’d run (something I’ve always considered extremely improbable).
    I really hope Trump stays in the race as long as possible, I’m too curious who he’d pick as running mate (as I am about the others – Huckabee/Palin? Cruz/Ryan? Rubio/Cosby? Bush/Schwarzenegger?).

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    bgansel9 July 9, 2015 at 12:42 pm #

    Yeah, I always wanted a 3 times married, 4 times bankrupted President, with a Slovenian wife 24 years younger… and a Vice President who can run his office from the federal penitentiary. 😛 – NOT!

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    Rickey July 9, 2015 at 1:11 pm #

    In other news, Cody Robert Judy has convinced himself that Justice Sotomayor’s denial of his application for more time is actually good news, because he believes that Sotomayor’s denial means that she has punted his case until the 9/28/15 conference on his motion for reconsideration.

    He also has dreamed up some nonsense about “long conference” dates and “short conference” dates.

    He is going to be in for a rude awakening next week.

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    Nancy R Owens July 9, 2015 at 1:35 pm #

    I was told it was to be Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.

    The Magic M (not logged in):
    That would be too priceless. I’ve already opened a bottle of champagne after Trump actually announced he’d run (something I’ve always considered extremely improbable).
    I really hope Trump stays in the race as long as possible, I’m too curious who he’d pick as running mate (as I am about the others – Huckabee/Palin? Cruz/Ryan? Rubio/Cosby? Bush/Schwarzenegger?).

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    gorefan July 9, 2015 at 3:19 pm #

    Rickey: the 9/28/15 conference on his motion for reconsideration.

    The next term doesn’t start until the first Monday in October and there are no conferences scheduled for the September 28th even though that is what the docket for his case says. Is the 28th the day he’ll get the rubber stamp dismissal for failing to refile? or will that simply disappear from the calendar as moot after the dismissal on the 14th?

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2015 at 4:19 pm #

    He has been talking about Oprah Winfrey. “We’d win easily.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/donald-trump-wants-oprah-winfrey-as-his-running-mate-wed-win-easily/

    Nancy R Owens: I was told it was to be Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 9, 2015 at 4:59 pm #

    I checked his ID profile, and birdboy has been silent for three weeks. Maybe the bitter old crow finally sulked off into the sunset, realizing that all of his bluster was for nothing.

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    Nancy R Owens July 9, 2015 at 5:40 pm #

    Donald Trump, a *cough, cough* Birther……is leading in the polls. Looks like we might just get the truth after all!

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2015 at 5:54 pm #

    OK, I have turned caching back on. The WPTouch mobile theme folks have finally declared it compatible with the caching plug-in. I think this will speed up access for everybody, particularly desktop users.

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    bob July 9, 2015 at 6:31 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    Donald Trump, a *cough, cough* Birther……is leading in the polls.

    In July. Of 2015.

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    gorefan July 9, 2015 at 6:59 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Looks like we might just get the truth after all!

    You can’t handle the true.

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    Bonsall Obot July 9, 2015 at 7:12 pm #

    From the previous Open Thread:

    W. Kevin Vicklund: Not the point I was trying to make, but I’ll accept that I didn’t make my point very well.

    I understand, and I apologize. But I can’t stand the “both sides do it” canard, even en passant. Our “liberal media” has that covered already.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 9, 2015 at 7:13 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    Donald Trump, a *cough, cough* Birther……is leading in the polls. Looks like we might just get the truth after all!

    Didnt Donald help you bury Jimmy Hoffa and Natalie Holloway?

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    Keith July 9, 2015 at 8:37 pm #

    bgansel9:
    … and a Vice President who can run his office from the federal penitentiary. –NOT!

    Why not? Isn’t the Veep the President of the Senate? Shouldn’t he be where all the others Senators are?

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    bgansel9 July 9, 2015 at 10:35 pm #

    Keith: Why not? Isn’t the Veep the President of the Senate? Shouldn’t he be where all the others Senators are?

    Are we talking about current or former senators?

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    Rickey July 9, 2015 at 11:03 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    Donald Trump, a *cough, cough* Birther……is leading in the polls. Looks like we might just get the truth after all!

    He’s trailing Hillary by 24 points in the latest CNN poll.

    And Trump wouldn’t know the truth if he got his hair caught in it.

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    Notorial Dissent July 9, 2015 at 11:11 pm #

    I think, if we just leave the statement at Judy is deluded, we’ll have it pretty well covered for all bases. He didn’t get an extension to file in the July date, and they will reject his IFP come Sept or whenever, so he is SOL, well more SOE than he was before.

    I can’t help wondering if Failcon’s mommy took his internet privileges away after he did something particularly nasty? Sorry, that’s just what keeps coming to mind.

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    RanTalbott July 9, 2015 at 11:44 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: He has been talking about Oprah Winfrey.

    He later walked that back, and said it was only a joke he’d made during his 2012 non-run that some other person had brought up.

    Dr. Conspiracy: “We’d win easily.”

    Looks like he may be angling for an historic first: first candidate ever to mount an insanity defense.

    It’s ironic that he talks in the interview about other candidates’ “stupid” answers: he keeps beating his head against his “border wall”, and claims to have talked to “the people on the border”. But the BP have gone on record repeatedly saying a wall is a terrible idea that would actually reduce their effectiveness, because it takes away their ability to see what’s happening on the other side. Plus there’s the fact that most of our border with Mexico is a river: Trump wants to aid the smugglers by providing them with cover in the area where they’d be most exposed.

    Clearly, the man is a traitor, and we need to convene a Citizens Grand Jury to indict and try him before he has a chance to carry out his fiendish plan.

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    Rickey July 9, 2015 at 11:49 pm #

    gorefan: The next term doesn’t start until the first Monday in October and there are no conferences scheduled for the September 28th even though that is what the docket for his case says.Is the 28th the day he’ll get the rubber stamp dismissal for failing to refile?or will that simply disappear from the calendar as moot after the dismissal on the 14th?

    I’m no expert on the Supreme Court, but I suspect the latter. SCOTUS doesn’t have patience with litigants who fail to meet deadlines.

    Case in point: Bobby Chen v. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore, et al., 13-10400. Chen was the rare pro se plaintiff who filed a petition and cert was granted. The only problem was that Chen disappeared and nobody knew where he was. Cert was granted on 11/7/14 and he then had 45 days to file his brief. Attempts by SCOTUS clerks to contact him were unsuccessful and mail sent to his last known address in New York was stacking up in his landlord’s office. Numerous attorneys who were anxious to take his case pro bono were unable to locate him. When he failed to file his brief the writ of cert was dismissed.

    Chen apparently had been in California, and when he returned to New York and found out what had happened he contacted a law firm which filed a petition for rehearing. It seemed to me that his petition for rehearing had merit – he was in California, he was pro se, English is not his first language – but SCOTUS wouldn’t cut him any slack. The rehearing request was denied on 2/23/15 and a final judgment was entered the same day.

    If they weren’t going to grant additional time to a pro se petitioner who actually filed a coherent petition, I don’t see them giving extra time to CRJ.

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    RanTalbott July 10, 2015 at 12:01 am #

    Nancy R Owens: Donald Trump, a *cough, cough* Birther……is leading in the polls.

    Of course, the problem is which polls he’s leading.

    He’s got a 17/71 favorable/unfavorable rating among the overall electorate (although it’s only 34/52 among Republicans). This is a dramatic change from his previous non-runs, when the general view was about evenly split.

    And he’s also got a huge lead in another: 59% of Republicans say they would never vote for him.

    So “the truth” has already come out: running for national office as a birther douchebag is like diving into the deep end of the pool wearing lead water wings.

    (Speaking of Nancy reminds me: I just had my first encounter with Ron Polland, over on WND. He appears to be a very unhappy person, and Trump’s candidacy and Arpaio’s assurance that the investimagination is merely pinin’ for the fnords doesn’t seem to have cheered him up at all…)

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    Pete July 10, 2015 at 12:01 am #

    bgansel9: Donald Trump is coming to Phoenix to meet with Joe Arpaio.

    If Trump weren’t already a chump, that alone would be enough to disqualify the dumb twit.

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    Rickey July 10, 2015 at 12:05 am #

    RanTalbott: Plus there’s the fact that most of our border with Mexico is a river: Trump wants to aid the smugglers by providing them with cover in the area where they’d be most exposed.

    There also are environmental and water rights issues.

    https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/humanrights/borderwall/analysis/briefing-The-Environmental-Impacts-of-the-Border-Wall.pdf

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    RanTalbott July 10, 2015 at 12:18 am #

    gorefan: The next term doesn’t start until the first Monday in October and there are no conferences scheduled for the September 28th even though that is what the docket for his case says.

    Maybe it’s a subtle hint, saying “We know you’re going to fail, but the computer makes us enter a date, so we’re giving you one that’s not real”?

    Or maybe they’re just trying to wind him up, to see whether he’ll brag about getting a special conference of his very own? $DEITY knows they deserve a little entertainment after all the crap that birfoons have put them through.

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    Keith July 10, 2015 at 1:07 am #

    RanTalbott: Of course, the problem is which polls he’s leading.

    I beg to disagree. The problem is when the candidates could put two complete football teams on the field and nobody on that field has nowhere near the support that Jon Huntsman had when he dropped out in 2012. Huntsman was fifth in the polling.

    Trump as a frontrunner? Not so fast.

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    RanTalbott July 10, 2015 at 1:31 am #

    Keith: I beg to disagree.

    Actually, you don’t: I didn’t mention it here, because I thought it was obvious to just about everybody in this crowd that the “horse race” poll is quite meaningless at this point (I did when I was trying to explain it to Trump fans, but they all need that dose of reality).

    I brought up the other polls to show that Trump is already near his peak in the primaries: the real contenders will pick up support from those who drop out, but he generally won’t. About the only rivals he could poach from are Cruz, Fiorina, and Cody Robert Judy.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) July 10, 2015 at 4:03 am #

    Rickey: He also has dreamed up some nonsense about “long conference” dates and “short conference” dates.

    Why does SCOTUS not show the real long conference? Then it’d all go away! [tm] 😉

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    ArthurWankspittle July 10, 2015 at 4:04 am #

    British media expose on Trump:
    http://newsthump.com/2015/07/07/donald-trumps-barber-reveals-hair-piece-is-used-to-cover-swastika-tattoo/

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    gorefan July 10, 2015 at 9:34 am #

    Zullo raises his head out of the bunker.

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/universe-shattering-info-on-obama-delayed/

    The universe shattering info may never be released! Gee what a surprise.

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    Nancy R Owens July 10, 2015 at 10:01 am #

    And, I gave everybody the reason why October 29, 2014 proof of said prediction posted on my “Before It’s News” Blog:

    BIN Article

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2014/10/mike-zullo-the-owens-forger-the-fraudulent-obama-birth-certificate-investigation-3-2483280.html

    By Nancy Ruth Owens, A Former Hendry County Dispatcher

    Major cases not solved during Mike “Zullo” Moore’s years as a Hendry County Investigator:

    Jimmy Hoffa
    Adam Walsh
    John F Kennedy, Jr.
    Reagan’s Assassination Attempt
    Sheriff Sermon Dyess, Sr.
    Four Hendry County Deputies
    FBI Agents
    FBI Informants
    Hell’s Angels MC Members
    George Jung’s Daughter, Christina
    Amtrac Bombings
    Murder Of “Obama’s” Black Mother
    East Coast Girl scout
    Henry Lucas
    Senator Graham Sodomy Rape Of A 14-Year Old Boy
    Pablo Escobar Murder Of 1990
    Bill Clinton’s False Claim to Escobar Murder
    Mac Booth Bombing (Practice For Hoffa Murder)
    Possible Griselda Blanco 1985 Murder
    Possible Atlanta, Georgia Olympic Bombing
    Numerous False Arrests And Incarceration of the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s
    Sherry Farner
    Mr. And Mrs. Allison
    All Killings Done By The “Kaleidoscope Killer”
    All Killings Done By “Pablo’s ‘White Rabbit’”
    All Killings Done By “Bloody Mary”
    All Killings Done By “Mary Poppins”
    All Killings Done By “Rachel”
    All Killings Done By “Dizzy”
    All Killings Done By “Molly Ayala”
    All Killings Done By “Nancy Dyess”
    All Killings Done By “The Gainesville Ripper”
    Possibly Killings Done By The Relocated “Zodiac Killer”
    All Killings Done By The Drug Lord Pablo Escobar
    Possible “Challenger” Explosion
    Possible Princess Di And Ron Brown
    Before “Zullo” Can Even Begin To Solve The Forged Birth Certificate, He Must Unravel Over FORTY-TWO Years Of Botched Investigations Out Of Hendry County, Florida.
    How Does Zullo And His Co-Conspirators Try To Sidestep Re-Investigation? With A Simple Fix Which Is To Deny That A Paper Birth Certificate Ever Existed And By Failing To Make Contact With The Real Forger Which Is Myself.

    See YouTube Video Titled: PDF vs Paper

    [Link to NRO YouTube Video redacted. I don’t have the time or the desire to review these before publication. I got burned before when previous videos contained potentially libelous content. Doc.]

    gorefan:
    Zullo raises his head out of the bunker.

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/universe-shattering-info-on-obama-delayed/

    The universe shattering info may never be released!Gee what a surprise.

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    Northland10 July 10, 2015 at 10:37 am #

    gorefan: The next term doesn’t start until the first Monday in October and there are no conferences scheduled for the September 28th even though that is what the docket for his case says.Is the 28th the day he’ll get the rubber stamp dismissal for failing to refile?or will that simply disappear from the calendar as moot after the dismissal on the 14th?

    According to the Case Distribution Schedule for the October Term 2015, the entire summer list will be placed on the September 28 conference. Since there is probably a long discuss list, they might not be showing the long conference as a normal conference day.

    It matters not at all for whatever may be left if Cody’s case. Any remnants will be on the long dead list.

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    donna July 10, 2015 at 10:37 am #

    Is this fox’s way to eliminate trump?

    GOP candidates must turn in financial disclosure ON TIME to get into first debate

    NO EXTENSIONS!!

    So far, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson have filed their personal financial disclosures.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/09/gop-candidates-must-turn-in-financial-disclosure-on-time-to-get-into-first-debate/

    In his interview with Katy Tur, Trump said: “I’m allowed a 45 day extension and another 45 day extension. I don’t expect to be using an extension.”

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    Pete July 10, 2015 at 10:47 am #

    And now we’re at Arpaio/ Zullo’s inevitable endgame: “We have top-sekrit ‘proof’ that the birth certificate of the President of the United States is a forgery, but we’re NEVER going to let you, or anybody else, see it – because of some unspecified (also top-sekrit) imaginary legal issue.”

    Voila! They used this ruse to scam MILLIONS out of gullible supporters, and now they quietly push it under a rug and move on to the next scam.

    Just exactly like the rational people among us said all along that they were doing.

    Zullo said he has taken a completely new approach to proving that the document is fraudulent, starting virtually from scratch and not relying on previously submitted evidence.

    “It has nothing to do with the work that was done before,” he said of his current investigation.

    In other words: “Everything we ever told you before, that was supposed to be indisputable ‘evidence’ that the President’s birth certificate was fake, is utter crap.”

    That tacit admission is the only thing surprising in this article.

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    gorefan July 10, 2015 at 11:25 am #

    Gallups will have a Zullo update

    TODAY’S SHOW! ZULLO UPDATE!
    Carl will be talking about the latest from Mike Zullo and the WND headline article posted on this site. He will give more explanation and information about it all. You DON’T want to miss this segment.

    Mike Shoesmith, Dr. Grace, Brandon Big B – will be in the house as well.

    https://www.facebook.com/carlgallups2?fref=nf

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    gorefan July 10, 2015 at 12:57 pm #

    Gallups will have a half hour interview with Zullo.

    https://www.facebook.com/ppsimmons

    “Investigator Mike Zullo will be on Freedom Friday With Carl Gallups for 30 minutes today – starting at 5 PM ET. ( 4 PM CT). You don’t want to miss this show today!”

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    Notorial Dissent July 10, 2015 at 1:24 pm #

    My guess is that the last legal hurdle is that they have zip that will stand up to any kind of scrutiny, let alone real legal scrutiny. Since there is nothing that they could have, they really have no where else to go.

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    Nancy R Owens July 10, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    [This comment by Nancy was potentially libelous, so I decided not to publish it. Doc]

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    donna July 10, 2015 at 2:53 pm #

    GOP Sen. Calls For Ariz. Local Party To Pull Sponsorship Of Trump Event

    Sen. Jeff Flake on Thursday called on the local Republican party in Maricopa County, Ariz., to pull its sponsorship of a campaign event for Donald Trump due to his recent comments about Mexican immigrants.

    “As an elected official and as a Republican, I’m not excited about this, to say the least,” Flake told the Washington Post. “I don’t think that [Trump’s] views are reflective of the party, particularly in Arizona, a border state.”

    Flake said that Trump’s comments calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” and drug dealers were “ill-informed” and “not accurate.”

    The senator was also troubled by Trump’s recent remark that he wasn’t sure whether President Obama was born in the U.S.

    “It’s not just on the immigration side. Donald Trump is just about the last unapologetic birther in the country,” Flake told the Post.

    Trump is set to appear at a Saturday campaign event alongside conservative Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who Flake noted is also an “unapologetic birther.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/09/sen-flake-local-gop-should-not-host-trumps-arizona-event/

    Trump event moves to Phoenix Convention Center

    So far, about 3,500 people have RSVP’ed for the event at 2 p.m. on Saturday inside the Convention Center’s North Ballroom.

    U.S. Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain and Gov. Doug Ducey are distancing themselves from controversial Trump.

    David Berman, a senior research fellow at Arizona State University’s Morrison Institute for Public Policy, said the high number of RSVPs to the event highlight Trump’s popularity among the right wing of the party: “The Republicans and the conservatives have really had a rough few weeks with the Supreme Court’s decisions, the (Confederate) flags coming down. They like someone who’s standing up and fighting and not giving in and not being milquetoast on everything, and someone who is telling it like they see it. They like to have someone up there speaking their language.”

    CNN: Trump says he still doesn’t know where Obama was born

    Trump is still not totally convinced that Obama was born in the country.

    “I don’t know. I really don’t know,” he said. “I don’t know why he wouldn’t release his records.”

    In the interview, Trump also claimed that Hillary Clinton and John McCain were both birthers, and mentioned how he got Obama to release “something.”

    “Do you know that Hillary Clinton was a birther? She wanted those records and fought like hell. People forgot. You know that John McCain was a birther, wanted those records. They couldn’t get the records. Hillary failed. John McCain failed,” he said.

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    Dave B. July 10, 2015 at 3:29 pm #

    No love lost between Flake and Arpaio.

    donna: Sen. Jeff Flake on Thursday called on the local Republican party in Maricopa County, Ariz., to pull its sponsorship of a campaign event for Donald Trump due to his recent comments about Mexican immigrants.

  40. avatar
    Dave B. July 10, 2015 at 4:38 pm #

    Headline over at the American News:
    “Donald Trump Viscously UNLEASHES On Smug NBC Reporter”
    That’ll take the smug right out of you.

  41. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 10, 2015 at 4:55 pm #

    I am going to be busy with other stuff for the next 5 days or so.

  42. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 10, 2015 at 4:57 pm #

    It’s not libel when it’s the truth.

    Nancy R Owens:
    [This comment by Nancy was potentially libelous, so I decided not to publish it. Doc]

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    James M July 10, 2015 at 5:43 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    And, I gave everybody the reason why October 29, 2014 proof of said prediction posted on my “Before It’s News” Blog:

    BIN Article

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2014/10/mike-zullo-the-owens-forger-the-fraudulent-obama-birth-certificate-investigation-3-2483280.html

    By Nancy Ruth Owens, A Former Hendry County Dispatcher

    Major cases not solved during Mike “Zullo” Moore’s years as a Hendry County Investigator:

    NRO, what about the link between Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, and the victims at the Polanski house? Can you shed any light on these murders?

  44. avatar
    RanTalbott July 10, 2015 at 5:49 pm #

    gorefan: The universe shattering info may never be released!

    I think Zullo may have provided a clue to the “legal hurdle”.

    I’ve speculated that it was just a ruse to cover up the fact that their source was Montgomery, which would discredit their evydunce.

    But Zullo said something very interesting:

    Zullo explained that when he said in 2013 he was preparing to release the information, he anticipated “we were going to have these answers within weeks.”

    “As this was progressing, the legal issues started coming up, and it’s just put everything on hold,” he said.

    We know that Montgomery has been frantically protesting the fact that his “proprietary” information was handed over to the Melendres monitor.

    I think I’m not the only one who’s speculated that the “NSA document” is a Montgomery fabrication, and the “new technology” Zullo said last year he was using is a Montgomery scam.

    If Zullo releases his “universe-shattering evidence”, those frauds would be exposed.

    Given what Zullo now says about the timeline, I think it’s very likely that Montgomery balked when Zullo started talking about going public, and wouldn’t allow him to expose the “proprietary information”.

    With Montgomery now suing Risen, and trying to get himself cast as a “whistleblower”, keeping the scam a secret would become more important than ever.

    The fact that the secrets are now becoming part of the contempt hearing would also explain why Zullo said it’s relevant to the hold-up.

    But, wait! There’s more: the WND article author also wrote some stuff that A/Z probably don’t want us to hear.

    The racial-profiling judgment and subsequent legal action to which Zullo referred have taken an odd twist, revealing Arpaio’s hiring of a former federal informant in Seattle named Dennis Montgomery to investigate whether U.S. District Court Judge G. Murray Snow and the Department of Justice were conspiring to take down the sheriff.

    This contradicts the claim that Arpaio made in his testimony that he wasn’t investigating Snow, and was just trying to help out the county residents who’d had their bank records hacked.

    Montgomery, who turns up in attorney Larry Klayman’s lawsuit as a “whistleblower” against the National Security Agency’s program of collecting the personal data of U.S citizens, also apparently figures in the birth certificate case.

    I can’t wait for Klayman’s brief describing WND as “a despicable left-wing rag that hates Arpaio” 😉

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    gorefan July 10, 2015 at 8:11 pm #

    RanTalbott: I think Zullo may have provided a clue to the “legal hurdle”.

    Zullo’s interview with Gallups from this afternoon is available:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_3Ls5rA1Us

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    Keith July 10, 2015 at 8:11 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Major cases not solved during Mike “Zullo” Moore’s years as a Hendry County Investigator:

    You left out

    The Murder of Cock Robin
    The disappearance of Amelia Earhart
    The disappearance of Harold Holt (was a mini-sub involved with this one?)

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    bob July 10, 2015 at 8:27 pm #

    gorefan: Zullo’s interview with Gallups from this afternoon is available:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_3Ls5rA1Us

    Notice how Zullo refuses to answer easy, obvious questions.

    Also: Judge Snow denied Arpaio’s motion for the judge to recuse himself. The judge also denied Moseley’s motion for reconsideration of the denial of his PHV application.

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    gorefan July 10, 2015 at 8:52 pm #

    bob: Notice how Zullo refuses to answer easy, obvious questions.

    It was clear from the get-go this was not going to be like a deposition or trial testimony. Or even an interview by a real news agency. Especially with Gallups as the moderator. But of course all Zullo/Gallups interviews are packaged for the birther audience not as sources of any real information. I suspect difficult questions would have gotten the same responses, if they got asked at all.

    This was a mildly interesting answer about the Montgomery “junk”

    “I cannot get into anything that’s related to that litigation however the only thing I do want you to understand is a lot of times in law enforcement circles information that we may not have been able to collaborate is often referred to as junk information. That doesn’t mean what you folks think it means and there wasn’t really ample time for the Sheriff and the Chief Deputy to come up to speed on what was progressing on this front. They were caught; you know for all intents and purposes Sheriff Arpaio was caught cold. So I can’t really discuss much more on that.”

    So in April, 2015 Arpaio and Sheridan were not “up to speed” on what information Montgomery had given to Zullo?

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    bob July 10, 2015 at 8:59 pm #

    Part of the court record in the Arizona case (now) contains some behind-the-scenes correspondence between these “players.” Including e-mail from Zullo, who berates Montgomery for giving them 50 hard drives full of well, junk.

  50. avatar
    Joey July 10, 2015 at 9:09 pm #

    I am SO disappointed.
    According to Mike Zullo, the universe shattering information might be precluded from ever being released and might NEVER see the light of day.

    Darn.

  51. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 10, 2015 at 10:31 pm #

    I consider the chances of it being the truth vanishingly small (somewhat below Nazi UFO bases under the Arctic), so you can take your “truth” somewhere else because a) your personal story is not relevant to this site, b) I am not going to publish allegations against someone that I firmly believe to be untrue.

    Nancy R Owens:
    It’s not libel when it’s the truth.

  52. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 10, 2015 at 10:33 pm #

    Did he really use that word?

    gorefan: collaborate

  53. avatar
    CRJ2016 July 10, 2015 at 10:47 pm #

    Northland10: According to the Case Distribution Schedule for the October Term 2015, the entire summer list will be placed on the September 28 conference. Since there is probably a long discuss list, they might not be showing the long conference as a normal conference day.

    I’m so glad that ‘short’ Conference ‘Long’ Conference thing was cleared up by someone here so I didn’t have to explain it or the facts they exist outside of my own Universe Shattering Evidence.

    So, which came first the chicken or the egg? The IFP Reconsideration Review came with the Sept. 28th long conference date First. The Application for Extension for Time came After.

    SCOTUS separated them in consideration by giving the Application 25A15 a Case Number all by itself.

    The question then remains: Why would the July 13th Date be tied to the Sept 28th Long Conference?

    Or put another way? Could the clerk have given a ‘bad piece of advice’ stating to Cody his case would be dismissed without an Application for Extension of Time being filed, JUSTICE Sotomayer recognized this and felt the Extension of Time simply unnecessary after SCOTUS already set a Sept 28th Long Conference for it?

    Are these factions of stimuli singing karaoke in the brain cells of the non-delusional and cranial bright lighted Minions here?

    One thing for sure, if the Sept 28th contained a whole years worth of ” Pending Motions List” adventurers it wouldn’t be as long as a single short Thursday Conference list. Cody’s Case gains a foothold of being the longest lasting Birther Case in U.S. History.

    Its the stuff Donald Trump could only dream of! Did anyone here that CRJ would be down Tee’ing off with the Donald Saturday? Must have been a bad rumor!

  54. avatar
    Notorial Dissent July 10, 2015 at 11:15 pm #

    Yeah, like there ISN’T and NEVER WAS any universe shattering information, which is a surprise to no one but the birfer contingent. Zullo the Klown, who really is a clown it turns out, and from the sounds of it Arpaio’s legal team have pretty well thrown both Zullo and Montgomery under the bus, like that wasn’t expected, except by the conman and his shill.

  55. avatar
    gorefan July 10, 2015 at 11:18 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Did he really use that word?

    Should be corroborate.

  56. avatar
    bob July 10, 2015 at 11:20 pm #

    The question then remains: Why would the July 13th Date be tied to the Sept 28th Long Conference?

    When you don’t pay your fees and file your briefs by July 13, your petition will be dismissed.

    So your reconsideration motion necessarily will be denied, vacated, or mooted (take your pick).

    You’re welcome.

  57. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2015 at 12:49 am #

    Falcon is back at BR.

  58. avatar
    gorefan July 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Falcon is back at BR.

    And Gillar is back at Twitter

  59. avatar
    justlw July 11, 2015 at 2:43 pm #

    Just heard this on The Rachel Maddow Show: there are several aircraft navigational waypoints for Palm Beach airpot that at some time got named by a The Donald fan to various Trump-tastic mnemonics: DONLD, TRMMP, IVNKA, and UFIRD. These will now be renamed, since part of the FAA rules for such names is that they be “non-controversial”.

    However, Rachel notes that at least so far, they missed one! In the same area, and apparently part of the same sequence, there’s…

    BRTHR

    EDIT: Story from 2010 about the original naming: Palm Beach airport names flight coordinates after Donald Trump

  60. avatar
    JPotter July 11, 2015 at 6:07 pm #

    Trump to appear with Arpaio in Phoenix, ostensibly to have an immigration-themed hate fest.

    Seems like a perfect opportunity to unveil all the things they can’t believe they’re finding.

    Donald Trump won’t stop talking about immigration. Next up: Rallying 9,000 in Phoenix.

  61. avatar
    bgansel9 July 11, 2015 at 6:26 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: [This comment by Nancy was potentially libelous, so I decided not to publish it. Doc]

    Good for you, Doc.

  62. avatar
    justlw July 11, 2015 at 6:43 pm #

    Click to see what would appear to be a real graphic that WND really created to promote their favorite classy guy.

    ⬆︎RUMP

    Is this supposed to be like an “I’m With Stupid” shirt?

  63. avatar
    bgansel9 July 11, 2015 at 6:57 pm #

    justlw: Click to see what would appear to be a real graphic that WND really created to promote their favorite classy guy.

    He’s a RUMP alright. 😛

  64. avatar
    bgansel9 July 11, 2015 at 7:01 pm #

    It’s too bad that I had plans to go out of town today that later got canceled. if I had known, I would have gotten posterboard and made a sign asking if we wanted this woman to be our next First Lady and marched down to the convention center: http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000165128-melania_knauss-fit.jpg

    Check out the other pictures on that fashion modeling site. Also, Melania has a website of her own.

  65. avatar
    Northland10 July 11, 2015 at 8:52 pm #

    CRJ2016: The question then remains: Why would the July 13th Date be tied to the Sept 28th Long Conference?

    Because, the case distribution schedule says so. Duh.

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/casedistribution/casedistributionschedule2015.pdf

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/casedistribution/casedistributionschedule.aspx

    You’re either an idiot, intentionally obtuse, or delusional. I let you decide which one you would like.

  66. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 11, 2015 at 10:29 pm #

    [Redacted. Doc] Why else would Volin repeated ignore my forgery confession?

    bgansel9: Good for you, Doc.

  67. avatar
    Keith July 11, 2015 at 11:41 pm #

    Some food for thought: studying science denial conspiracy thinking.

    There is an interesting research project by Stephan Lewandowsky, John Cook, and others, that has emerged in written form in a few places, that looks at conspiracy ideation in relation to science denial. An earlier version of this research was subjected to significant and somewhat effective attacks (effective as in a monkey is effective at getting attention when it throws poop at you) against this research by conspiracy driven anti science activists involved in some sort of conspiracy! Against the people studying conspiracy!

    Conspiracies all the way down: Is your local climate contrarian a kook or a crook?

    They point out that there is a sensible link between rejecting an area of science and believing in a conspiracy. In essence, a significant conspiracy is required in order for thousands of research scientists working in hundreds of institutions across dozens of countries to all be saying essentially the same thing about a major area of science. Conspiracy is not enough. Massive conspiracy is required. “In the case of climate change, several qualitative analyses have shown that denial is suffused with conspiratorial themes, for example when dissenters are celebrated as “Galileos” who oppose a corrupt scientific “establishment”.”

    But ‘we’ knew that, didn’t we? How many are required to be involved in a BC conspiracy? How many in a 9/11 conspiracy. Heck we don’t need no SCIENTIFIC study to tell us that!

  68. avatar
    JPotter July 12, 2015 at 12:00 am #

    bgansel9:
    It’s too bad that I had plans to go out of town today that later got canceled. if I had known, I would have gotten posterboard and made a sign asking if we wanted this woman to be our next First Lady and marched down to the convention center:http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000165128-melania_knauss-fit.jpg

    Check out the other pictures on that fashion modeling site. Also, Melania has a website of her own.

    I was thinking it was a perfect time for WND to resurrect their “WHERE”S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE” banner troll campaign.

  69. avatar
    justlw July 12, 2015 at 12:39 am #

    Keith: when dissenters are celebrated as “Galileos” who oppose a corrupt scientific “establishment”.”

    And the constantly missed point by those celebrating the dissenters is that Galileo was a scientist marshaling actual observed facts to oppose a non-scientific establishment.

  70. avatar
    justlw July 12, 2015 at 12:50 am #

    btw, the extension of the edit timer from 5 to 10 minutes is very much appreciated.

  71. avatar
    Dave B. July 12, 2015 at 8:05 pm #

    What he said.

    justlw:
    btw, the extension of the edit timer from 5 to 10 minutes is very much appreciated.

  72. avatar
    Dave B. July 12, 2015 at 8:08 pm #

    From a comment by “Always_RIGHT2” over at conservativevideos.com:
    “He could have responded even better. The BC that is on the govt website is a fraud. Over 100 document experts have provided affidavits that say with 100% certainty that it is a forgery, created entirely on a computer – and not a scan of a real document, there are over a dozen fonts and a dozen other anomalies.”
    http://conservativevideos.com/trump-is-asked-about-obamas-birth-certificate-watch-as-he-flips-the-tables-on-cnn/#comment-2132351477

  73. avatar
    RanTalbott July 12, 2015 at 8:20 pm #

    Dave B.: Over 100 document experts have provided affidavits that say with 100% certainty that it is a forgery

    Lucky for Obama that Soros gave him the 472 bazillion dollars needed to get all those affidavits sealed, and their authors killed in plane crashes, eh?

  74. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 12, 2015 at 9:44 pm #

    Dave B.: Over 100 document experts have provided affidavits that say with 100% certainty that it is a forgery,

    I see crazy tracy fair showed up and is spamming the threads with links to her website

  75. avatar
    Dave B. July 12, 2015 at 10:05 pm #

    And do you think Obama will get ANY credit for this boon to the aircraft industry, replacing all those crashed planes? Nooooooo.

    RanTalbott: Lucky for Obama that Soros gave him the 472 bazillion dollars needed to get all those affidavits sealed, and their authors killed in plane crashes, eh?

  76. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 12, 2015 at 10:18 pm #

    He’s only one off (the one in the hundred’s position).

    Dave B.: Over 100 document experts have provided affidavits

  77. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 12, 2015 at 10:28 pm #

    I’ve been trying out the Windows 10 Preview including Cortana, Microsoft’s new digital assistant. I asked Cortana, “Where is Obama’s birth certificate?” She gave me a link to the White House web site.

  78. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 12, 2015 at 10:36 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    [Redacted. Doc] Why else would Volin repeated ignore my forgery confession?

    The same reason everyone else ignores it. No one takes you seriously

  79. avatar
    Dave B. July 12, 2015 at 11:19 pm #

    Have you asked it “Who’s buried in Grant’s Tomb” yet?

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’ve been trying out the Windows 10 Preview including Cortana, Microsoft’s new digital assistant. I asked Cortana, “Where is Obama’s birth certificate?” She gave me a link to the White House web site.

  80. avatar
    Dave B. July 12, 2015 at 11:28 pm #

    Lately I’ve been telling the better half that rounded off to the nearest hundred I’m a hundred years older than she is. I don’t think she adequately venerates my galloping senescence.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    He’s only one off (the one in the hundred’s position).

  81. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 13, 2015 at 9:38 am #

    WoW! Birther1 on birtherreport.com seems to be singing a different tune these days!

    Birther1 @ Birther Report – Stripped: America\’s P…
    6 hours ago · 1 reply · +4 points
    img_1260585633_15302_1423012317_mod_198_211

    Sheriff Joe holding a BOGUS Sheriff Kit. Hum.
    Mike Volin http://wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
    570 394 2570

    Nancy R Owens:
    [Redacted. Doc] Why else would Volin repeated ignore my forgery confession?

  82. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 13, 2015 at 3:12 pm #

    Dave B.:
    Have you asked it “Who’s buried in Grant’s Tomb” yet?

    I once asked Siri who killed Steve Jobs and it said suspiciously that it didn’t know anything about that.

  83. avatar
    bgansel9 July 13, 2015 at 3:46 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I once asked Siri who killed Steve Jobs and it said suspiciously that it didn’t know anything about that.

    Might Siri know if Melania Trump is still a Slovenian citizen or whether she was naturalized? I’d hate to have a porn queen First Lady if she’s not even an American citizen much more than I would if she is (and my support for that is about nil.)

  84. avatar
    Jim July 13, 2015 at 4:57 pm #

    David Letterman’s Top Ten Interesting Facts About Donald Trump

    10. That thing on his head was the gopher from “Caddyshack.”

    9. During sex, Donald Trump calls out his own name.

    8. Donald Trump looks like the guy on the lifeboat with the women and children.

    7. He wants to build a wall? How about building a wall around the thing on his head?

    6. Trump walked away from a moderately successful television show for some delusional bull … oh no wait, that’s me.

    5. Donald Trump weighs 240 pounds — 250 with cologne.

    4. Trump would like all Americans to know that thing on his head is free range.

    3. If president, instead of pardoning a turkey on Thanksgiving, he plans to evict the family on Thanksgiving.

    (tied with)

    That’s not a hairdo, it’s a wind advisory.

    2. Donald Trump has pissed off so many Mexicans that he’s starring in a movie called “No Amigos.”

    1. Thanks to Donald Trump, the Republican mascot is also an a–.

  85. avatar
    Dave B. July 13, 2015 at 5:50 pm #

    Part of an exchange of comments over at the American News, from which I have removed the full names:
    K___
    HE IS NOTHING BUT A LYING NIGGER , AND HE ISNT AN AMERICAN ,, HE IS A SORRY MF FROM KENYA AND HE NEEDS TO BE SHIPPED BACK THERE ,,

    C___
    Karen Benoit, You are a despicable human being. How does it feel being played the fool by all of your bogus “sources” such as, Allen West, Conservative Tribune, Marl Levin, Fox “news”, Personal liberty, The Blaze, etc. etc. These are nothing more than fanatical right wing talking heads and sewer dwelling tabloids filled with zero facts and 100% BS for the low information crowd to grasp on to. Any educated person knows how to fact check and where to obtain credible information. You however,are so utterly misinformed and gullible, that you have morphed into a dimwitted, pathetic racist.

    H___
    Couldn’t you have responded to Karens post WITHOUT throwing in the “racist” card?

  86. avatar
    Dave B. July 13, 2015 at 6:18 pm #

    Boy, I really flubbed removing those full names, didn’t I?

  87. avatar
    Pete July 13, 2015 at 6:23 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: He’s only one off (the one in the hundred’s position).

    I take exception with that. “Over 000 document experts have provided affidavits” is still an untrue statement.

  88. avatar
    Pete July 13, 2015 at 6:33 pm #

    Dave B.:
    Boy, I really flubbed removing those full names, didn’t I?

    I was just thinking, gee, I wonder who K___ is???

  89. avatar
    Dave B. July 13, 2015 at 6:50 pm #

    I ain’t nowhere near as on the ball as you are today, Pete.

    Pete: I was just thinking, gee, I wonder who K___ is???

  90. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 13, 2015 at 7:45 pm #

    bgansel9: Might Siri know if Melania Trump is still a Slovenian citizen or whether she was naturalized? I’d hate to have a porn queen First Lady if she’s not even an American citizen much more than I would if she is (and my support for that is about nil.)

    Speaking of Siri, for you monty python fans out there ask “How do you know if she’s a witch”

  91. avatar
    James M July 13, 2015 at 8:42 pm #

    bgansel9: Might Siri know if Melania Trump is still a Slovenian citizen or whether she was naturalized? I’d hate to have a porn queen First Lady if she’s not even an American citizen much more than I would if she is (and my support for that is about nil.)

    And yet she would join the handful of First Ladies who held college degrees.

  92. avatar
    Pete July 14, 2015 at 2:28 am #

    Well, now we know why the birth certificate investigation has taken 3-1/2 years and counting.

    It took the MCSO nearly a year to run a sting operation on a man who wanted to have sex with a horse:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/sheriff-joe-arpaio-gets-tough-on-horse-sex.html

    In a press conference, Sheriff Arpaio explains this important investigation:

    “We met him at the airport, undercover. Deputy sheriffs met him at the airport, and took him, uh, to meet the, uh, the horse. We had a lot of conversation, undercover conversation from the suspect. We had our horse, I believe, in a trailer. And when he saw the horse, of course, he got all excited.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6IQaxkfRYo

    I’m so glad to know that Sheriff Joe is making horse rape a top, top priority of the MCSO. Now I can just sleep so much better at night.

  93. avatar
    Pete July 14, 2015 at 2:33 am #

    It’s just too bad Inspector Zoulleau is off in Martinique. This sounds like a perfect case for him.

  94. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 14, 2015 at 4:01 am #

    Pete: I’m so glad to know that Sheriff Joe is making horse rape a top, top priority of the MCSO.

    Maybe that’s the unicorn-shattering stuff they were investigating.

  95. avatar
    Pete July 14, 2015 at 10:30 am #

    I guess the MCSO has really listened to the complaints about them failing to investigate sex crimes.

    Maybe Joe can run for reelection on that: “We listened, and we responded!”

  96. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 2:51 pm #

    James M: And yet she would join the handful of First Ladies who held college degrees.

    College degrees or Graduate degrees? I can name 3 First Ladies with Graduate degrees right off the top of my head:

    Hillary Clinton
    Michelle Obama
    Laura Bush

    Turns out Pat Nixon also had a Graduate degree.

    Other First Ladies who earned a college degree include:
    Nancy Reagan
    Rosalyn Carter
    Lady Bird (Claudia) Johnson
    Jacqueline Kennedy
    Lou Hoover
    Grace Coolidge
    Ida McKinley
    Caroline Harrison
    Frances Cleveland
    Lucretia Garfield
    Lucy Hayes (prior to Lucy Hayes, First Ladies who were educated went to Finishing Schools, which says much more about how women were treated, not about whether a woman wanted to be educated).

    Several First Ladies had extensive education which did not include a formal college setting.

    What were you saying about only a handful of First Ladies earning a college education? Oh, and by the way, Melania Trump does NOT have a Graduate degree.

  97. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 3:33 pm #

    By the way, the Dennis Montgomery stuff finally ended up on our Front Page this morning: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/07/14/records-mcso-judge-investigation-abrk/30099731/

    Our Headline was: “MCSO paid informant $120K on Junk Info”

    http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=USA&tfp_id=AZ_AR

    There is also a second story about this online: http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/07/14/arpaio-snow-investigation-conspiracy/30131769/

  98. avatar
    Arthur B. July 14, 2015 at 3:47 pm #

    bgansel9: There is also a second story about this online: http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/07/14/arpaio-snow-investigation-conspiracy/30131769/

    What’s to be made of the comment there from Jonathon Moseley (who self-identifies as being with the Cruz campaign)?

    The first paragraph reads:

    “Anyone with a brain knows by know that Dennis Montgomery was NOT paid $120,000 to investigate Judge Snow. He may have been paid $120,000. But it wasn’t for the relatively minor work of proving that the Eric Holder Justice Department was conducting illegal ‘ex parte’ communications with Judge Snow. It was for something else entirely.”

    Edited to add: There is now a response from “Betsy Ansel” giving a shout-out to Doc!

    “Zullo was involved because of the Birther case. ObamaConspiracy.org (an anti-birther site) has known about this for several days and has been tracking this stuff for years…”

  99. avatar
    justlw July 14, 2015 at 4:06 pm #

    Hmm, I’m trying to psychically divine Betsy’s middle initial…

  100. avatar
    Arthur B. July 14, 2015 at 4:15 pm #

    justlw:
    Hmm, I’m trying to psychically divine Betsy’s middle initial…

    Now don’t jump to any wild conclusions!

  101. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 4:21 pm #

    Yes, the second comment is from me.

  102. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 4:22 pm #

    justlw: Hmm, I’m trying to psychically divine Betsy’s middle initial…

    Ginger 😛

  103. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 14, 2015 at 6:09 pm #

    bgansel9: There is also a second story about this online: http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/07/14/arpaio-snow-investigation-conspiracy/30131769/

    —-
    Wow, someone should call the AZ Attorney General and tell him that Montgomery’s lawyer, Moseley, recommended that we ask him what Montgomery told him.

  104. avatar
    Keith July 14, 2015 at 6:32 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Speaking of Siri, for you monty python fans out there ask “How do you know if she’s a witch”

    Cortana on Windows just calls up the video. Does Siri do something different?

  105. avatar
    RanTalbott July 14, 2015 at 7:12 pm #

    J.D. Sue: Wow, someone should call the AZ Attorney General and tell him that Montgomery’s lawyer, Moseley, recommended that we ask him what Montgomery told him.

    Did Moseley seriously suggest that someone violate the Arizona laws governing “free talks”?

    That won’t look good when his next pro hac vice petition is considered…

  106. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 14, 2015 at 7:17 pm #

    RanTalbott: J.D. Sue: Wow, someone should call the AZ Attorney General and tell him that Montgomery’s lawyer, Moseley, recommended that we ask him what Montgomery told him.

    Did Moseley seriously suggest that someone violate the laws governing “free talks”?

    —-

    He said:

    “Anyone with a brain knows by know that Dennis Montgomery was NOT paid $120,000 to investigate Judge Snow. He may have been paid $120,000. But it wasn’t for the relatively minor work of proving that the Eric Holder Justice Department was conducting illegal “ex parte” communications with Judge Snow. It was for something else entirely.

    Why don’t you ask the Attorney General of Arizona why Dennis Montgomery met with him? The AG knows that it had nothing to do with Judge Snow.

    Whatever Dennis Montgomery was paid, it wasn’t for anything having to do with Judge Snow.

    What do we have to do, come to your office and write the story for you and hand it to you on a silver platter from a British butler?

    What is even more amazing than the appalling lies and sloppy journalism we are seeing is how journalists are just walking past the biggest story since Watergate or the Church Committee. (Improbable that any journalists are educated enough to know what the Church Committe was about.)

    So journalists are walking right past a huge news story, missing the whole thing, in their zeal to lie about conservatives.

    You would think that with Arizona’s great weather, journalists who are competent would retire to Arizona and raise these very low standards.”

  107. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 14, 2015 at 7:43 pm #

    Keith: Cortana on Windows just calls up the video. Does Siri do something different?

    It calls up the script… boooo cortana is better

  108. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 9:20 pm #

    J.D. Sue (quoting Moseley): Why don’t you ask the Attorney General of Arizona why Dennis Montgomery met with him? The AG knows that it had nothing to do with Judge Snow.

    What Is his angle? Is he trying to get the journalist to pick up on Obama’s so-called ineligibility? Or is he hinting at something else completely?

  109. avatar
    Arthur B. July 14, 2015 at 10:02 pm #

    bgansel9: What Is his angle? Is he trying to get the journalist to pick up on Obama’s so-called ineligibility? Or is he hinting at something else completely?

    Exactly. That’s what I was wondering when I first brought it up.

  110. avatar
    RanTalbott July 14, 2015 at 10:19 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: boooo cortana is better

    That depends on the quality and speed of your connection, and the cost of your data plan.

    While I’ll grant that people willing to shell out big bucks for a phone that talks with you, itself, instead of connecting you to other people, don’t usually care as much about the cost, it’s still a resource load that can be significant if you happen to live in an area where you see the sky, instead of office windows, when you look up.

  111. avatar
    RanTalbott July 14, 2015 at 10:33 pm #

    bgansel9: Or is he hinting at something else completely?

    My guess would be that it had to do with the possibility of getting “whistleblower” status, and/or not being sent to Gitmo for having all that “stolen classified data” and handing it over to the county mounties.

    Remember the back-and-forth with Klayman about getting Monty hooked up with a judge, and the mention of the “DC contact”? I suspect that means they were discussing how MCSO could work with him without being forced to choose between ratting him out to the feds and being accused of misprision of felony (or even felonious possession of the data, themselves).

    I also think that my speculation will be (dis)proven by revelations in the hearing, since it’s relevant to whether MCSO was really trying to “get” the judge.

  112. avatar
    gorefan July 14, 2015 at 11:06 pm #

    RanTalbott: My guess would be that it had to do with the possibility of getting “whistleblower” status, and/or not being sent to Gitmo for having all that “stolen classified data” and handing it over to the county mounties.

    Remember the back-and-forth with Klayman about getting Monty hooked up with a judge, and the mention of the “DC contact”? I suspect that means they were discussing how MCSO could work with him without being forced to choose between ratting him out to the feds and being accused of misprision of felony (or even felonious possession of the data, themselves).

    I also think that my speculation will be (dis)proven by revelations in the hearing, since it’s relevant to whether MCSO was really trying to “get” the judge.

    Ah yes those pesky legal hurdles Gallups was talking about last summer.

  113. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 11:08 pm #

    RanTalbott: My guess would be that it had to do with the possibility of getting “whistleblower” status

    I’m talking about Moseley’s statement: “Anyone with a brain knows by know that Dennis Montgomery was NOT paid $120,000 to investigate Judge Snow. He may have been paid $120,000. But it wasn’t for the relatively minor work of proving that the Eric Holder Justice Department was conducting illegal “ex parte” communications with Judge Snow. It was for something else entirely.”

    The Whistleblower status didn’t precede the procuring of the hard drives.

  114. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 14, 2015 at 11:48 pm #

    bgansel9:
    J.D. Sue (quoting Moseley): Why don’t you ask the Attorney General of Arizona why Dennis Montgomery met with him? The AG knows that it had nothing to do with Judge Snow.

    What Is his angle? Is he trying to get the journalist to pick up on Obama’s so-called ineligibility? Or is he hinting at something else completely?

    —–
    The birth certificate and/or the massive CIA/DOJ conspiracy to tap phones, hack computers and bank accounts, influence judges, and on and on.

  115. avatar
    RanTalbott July 15, 2015 at 12:07 am #

    bgansel9: I’m talking about Moseley’s statement

    So am I: one of the claims made earlier was that Sup3r S3kr1t emails contained proof that there was a big federal conspiracy to “get” Arpaio, not just that Holder was coaching Snow from the sidelines. The alleged ex parte communications would, indeed, have been a “minor” thing in comparison.

    bgansel9: The Whistleblower status didn’t precede the procuring of the hard drives.

    The “free talk” with Horne was in 2013. The hard drives came in 2014. It would be astonishing if Monty hadn’t arranged to cover his ass before delivering them. Especially so if he was running a scam.

  116. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 1:59 am #

    RanTalbott: My guess would be that it had to do with the possibility of getting “whistleblower” status, and/or not being sent to Gitmo for having all that “stolen classified data” and handing it over to the county mounties.

    Remember the back-and-forth with Klayman about getting Monty hooked up with a judge, and the mention of the “DC contact”? I suspect that means they were discussing how MCSO could work with him without being forced to choose between ratting him out to the feds and being accused of misprision of felony (or even felonious possession of the data, themselves).

    —-

    My hunch is that Montgomery told the AZ AG that: (1) he (Montgomery) colluded with the DOJ/CIA to do their dastardly work against Arpaio and the general public (including AZ citizens and their bank accounts), and (2) Montgomery would provide the evidence but he needed immunity in AZ.

    I say this because of what he apparently did with Attorney Flynn and Tim Blixseth. From what I understand, Tim Blixseth, represented by Flynn, was pulverized in court. Thereafter, Montgomery told them that he had worked with the DOJ to carry out the dastardly deeds against Blixseth. Then, Flynn tried to get Montgomery whistleblower immunity–hoping that Montgomery would testify and vindicate Blixseth. Check this out, particularly paragraph 25 http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/07/BLIXSETH-YELLOWSTONE-CASE-mike-flynn-letter-to-DOJ.pdf

    As for the D.C. contacts and judge: I looked at Sheridan’s testimony again and he said they had planned to turn their findings over to the FBI. He also said they had consulted with a FISA judge. I think the “FISA judge” is Judge Lamberth. In one of the unsealed emails, MCSO threatened Klayman that they would handle communications between Montgomery and Judge without involving Klayman, and Klayman responded that they should not mess with Lamberth. Judge Lamberth used to be a FISA judge.

  117. avatar
    Keith July 15, 2015 at 3:54 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: It calls up the script… boooo cortana is better

    On my iPad, running iOS 8.3 Siri doesn’t even do that. It just goes a general ‘google’ search, and shows the Wikipedia page for Witches as the preferred ‘hit’.

    iOS 8.4 is installing as I type, I’ll try it again later.

    I haven’t got around to asking ‘OK Google’ yet.

  118. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 15, 2015 at 4:20 am #

    J.D. Sue: Then, Flynn tried to get Montgomery whistleblower immunity–hoping that Montgomery would testify and vindicate Blixseth.

    I’m actually surprised Zullo didn’t pull such a stunt with the BC – bringing “teh forger” who “testifies” under promise of “immunity” that “I dids it!”.

  119. avatar
    RanTalbott July 15, 2015 at 5:02 am #

    J.D. Sue: I looked at Sheridan’s testimony again

    I didn’t. And I had forgotten that mentions of the FBI and the FISA judge, which are both very important details.

    Of course, we’ll have to wait to find out if it’s right, but it’s already obvious that your analysis is a whole lot better than mine, and I’d be astonished if it doesn’t turn out to be much closer to the truth than my guesses. And slightly surprised if you haven’t pretty much nailed it.

    Nicely done.

  120. avatar
    RanTalbott July 15, 2015 at 5:28 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): I’m actually surprised Zullo didn’t pull such a stunt with the BC – bringing “teh forger” who “testifies” under promise of “immunity” that “I dids it!”.

    One of the things I (and, no doubt, others) have been harping on for a couple of years is that no birther has ever been able to demonstrate how the alleged forging was done. That their whole “technical case” consists of a few phony experts grunting “No understand. Must be witchcraft”. Vogt attempted a couple of lame guesses, and I recall reading about one birther (“Polarik”??) spending a long time trying to reproduce it, without success.

    Given that history, if Zullo tried that stunt, one of the first demands would be “Show us how you did it”. A task rendered impossible by Zullo’s claim that the presented certified copy is a printout of the online PDF. While he might not be tech-savvy enough to realize how badly he screwed up, his hired forger-actor would have to be. It’d be The Nightmare of the 212 Document Expert Refusals all over again.

    Such a person would probably also be smart enough to realize that Zullo couldn’t offer immunity from the other 49 states, or the feds. Unless he found a birther with terminal cancer willing to “take one for the team”, he’d be giving his news conference next to an empty table.

    And we all know how hard on birthers empty tables are 😉

  121. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 15, 2015 at 5:45 am #

    Journalists who “pick up on stories” usually end up dead. Look how heavily Trump is under attack in these most recent weeks for trying to get the truth, the REAL truth, out to the American public.

    J.D. Sue: —-

    He said:

    “Anyone with a brain knows by know that Dennis Montgomery was NOT paid $120,000 to investigate Judge Snow. He may have been paid $120,000. But it wasn’t for the relatively minor work of proving that the Eric Holder Justice Department was conducting illegal “ex parte” communications with Judge Snow. It was for something else entirely.

    Why don’t you ask the Attorney General of Arizona why Dennis Montgomery met with him? The AG knows that it had nothing to do with Judge Snow.

    Whatever Dennis Montgomery was paid, it wasn’t for anything having to do with Judge Snow.

    What do we have to do, come to your office and write the story for you and hand it to you on a silver platter from a British butler?

    What is even more amazing than the appalling lies and sloppy journalism we are seeing is how journalists are just walking past the biggest story since Watergate or the Church Committee. (Improbable that any journalists are educated enough to know what the Church Committe was about.)

    So journalists are walking right past a huge news story, missing the whole thing, in their zeal to lie about conservatives.

    You would think that with Arizona’s great weather, journalists who are competent would retire to Arizona and raise these very low standards.”

  122. avatar
    Keith July 15, 2015 at 7:16 am #

    Keith: iOS 8.4 is installing as I type, I’ll try it again later.

    With 8.4 on an iPad it just says ‘witty’ deflection statements like “I don’t know what I don’t know” kind of stuff. Weird.

  123. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 15, 2015 at 8:07 am #

    Hint: Blixseth is more involved in our story than has been so-far disclosed. I have reason to think that the Monitor could know the details of that. Sue’s whistleblower citation ties into the Melendres affair in a way that plausibly could involve more disclosures about the Blixseth angle, should Arpaio be referred for criminal contempt prosecution.

    J.D. Sue: Then, Flynn tried to get Montgomery whistleblower immunity–hoping that Montgomery would testify and vindicate Blixseth.

  124. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 9:07 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): I’m actually surprised Zullo didn’t pull such a stunt with the BC – bringing “teh forger” who “testifies” under promise of “immunity” that “I dids it!”.

    —-
    Actually, I think Zullo did sort of try something like that. There was a time when Doc (and perhaps other prominent “obots”) received letters from so-called Zullo-connected pastors saying they would get him immunity from Congress if Doc would just confess to his conspiratorial bc-forging ways…

  125. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 10:03 am #

    RanTalbott: One of the things I (and, no doubt, others) have been harping on for a couple of years is that no birther has ever been able to demonstrate how the alleged forging was done. That their whole “technical case” consists of a few phony experts grunting “No understand. Must be witchcraft”.

    —-
    Zullo and Gallups credit the obots’ Xerox evidence as unwittingly giving them the greatest clue of all time. Apparently, they saw an NSA guide (hello Montgomery) to forging documents in a way that makes it look like a simple Xerox machine scan/pdf. Stupid, I know, but like you say–to them it’s all conspiratorial techie witchcraft.

    p.s. congrats to the people discovering/pushing the Xerox explanation–it apparently drove desperate Zullo et al into the arms of Montgomery who could “explain” everything and save the day for all patriots trying to prove the greatest crime in the history of the world.

  126. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 10:12 am #

    Nancy R Owens: Look how heavily Trump is under attack in these most recent weeks for trying to get the truth, the REAL truth, out to the American public.


    Trump is not under attack for telling the truth. Instead, Trump is under attack for slandering 11 million people in a way that, historically, is all too horribly familiar.

  127. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 15, 2015 at 10:24 am #

    Oh, what, that they’re “Illegal?!”

    It’s not slander/libel when it’s the truth.

    J.D. Sue: —
    Trump is not under attack for telling the truth.Instead, Trump is under attack for slandering 11 million people in a way that, historically, is all too horribly familiar.

  128. avatar
    Pete July 15, 2015 at 10:44 am #

    J.D. Sue: —
    Trump is not under attack for telling the truth.Instead, Trump is under attack for slandering 11 million people in a way that, historically, is all too horribly familiar.

    Well whatever Trump is under attack for, I sure wish someone would help the poor man and get that thing off his head.

  129. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 10:56 am #

    Hey, THE MAGIC M, did you see this? http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/trump-campaign-blames-very-young-intern-for-nazi-photo-twitter-gaffe/

  130. avatar
    bgansel9 July 15, 2015 at 10:57 am #

    Nancy R Owens: Trump is under attack in these most recent weeks for trying to get the truth, the REAL truth, out to the American public.

    Really Nancy? Would you care to cite the many hundreds of thousands of rapes and murders these undocumented immigrants are committing? Because if Trump is telling the truth, there must be many hundreds of thousands of rapes and murders being committed. Where are they? Cite them! I dare you.

  131. avatar
    bgansel9 July 15, 2015 at 11:03 am #

    Nancy R Owens: Journalists who “pick up on stories” usually end up dead. Look how heavily Trump is under attack in these most recent weeks for trying to get the truth, the REAL truth, out to the American public.

    I don’t trust you to be able to differentiate between live and dead. You have stated several times that people who are living are dead. You’re not a credible source, Nancy.

  132. avatar
    donna July 15, 2015 at 11:08 am #

    Politifact:

    Trump immigration claim has no data to back it up – mostly false rating

    Donald Trump says Mexican government ‘forces many bad people into our country’ – pants on fire rating

    WAPO’s Kessler:

    Donald Trump’s false comments connecting Mexican immigrants and crime – FOUR PINOCCHIOS

    “Trump can defend his statement all he wants, but the facts are just not there.”

  133. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 15, 2015 at 11:19 am #

    J.D. Sue: Hey, THE MAGIC M, did you see this?

    No, but that’s actually one thing I’d defend Trump on – I didn’t notice it myself and I don’t think it’s a big deal (though pretty embarrassing).
    For me the bigger issue is that Trump obviously thinks “making America great again” involves the military above all things – truly a frightening outlook.

  134. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 12:00 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): No, but that’s actually one thing I’d defend Trump on – I didn’t notice it myself and I don’t think it’s a big deal (though pretty embarrassing).
    For me the bigger issue is that Trump obviously thinks “making America great again” involves the military above all things – truly a frightening outlook.

    —-
    For me, the bigger issue/error is that Trump thinks “making America great again” involves the military and defaming/deporting millions of people, and the choice (accidental or not) of marching Waffen-SS is somehow telling/ironic.

  135. avatar
    Lupin July 15, 2015 at 12:02 pm #

    Who would have thunk?

    http://www.texasobserver.org/children-of-immigrants-denied-citizenship/

  136. avatar
    justlw July 15, 2015 at 2:10 pm #

    RanTalbott: …their whole “technical case” consists of a few phony experts grunting “No understand. Must be witchcraft”

    Excellent summary!

  137. avatar
    donna July 15, 2015 at 3:53 pm #

    J.D. Sue: Judge Lamberth used to be a FISA judge.

    It was Judge Lamberth who wrote to Orly Taitz in 2010:

    “This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by [the] Constitution,” Lamberth wrote in a decision published on April 14. “This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”

    as the worm turns …….

  138. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 4:19 pm #

    donna: as the worm turns …….

    —-
    indeed, worming through the dirt and under rocks….

  139. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 15, 2015 at 6:46 pm #

    Lupin: http://www.texasobserver.org/children-of-immigrants-denied-citizenship/

    —-
    Disgusting. Like you’ve said, this whole birther thing is largely about discrediting/delegitimizing immigrants.

  140. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 15, 2015 at 9:35 pm #

    A fairly straightforward solution to this problem would be for the United States to give Texas to Mexico.

    Lupin: Who would have thunk?

  141. avatar
    Joey July 15, 2015 at 9:55 pm #

    donna:
    J.D. Sue: Judge Lamberth used to be a FISA judge.

    It was Judge Lamberth who wrote to Orly Taitz in 2010:

    “This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by [the] Constitution,” Lamberth wrote in a decision published on April 14. “This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”

    as the worm turns …….

    It was also [Ronald Reagan appointee] Judge Lamberth who said when Orly sued the Social Security Administration’s Commissioner Michael Astrue [a George W. Bush appointee] to gain access to the President’s Social Security files: “Ever persistent, plaintiff has once again come before this Court in an effort to uncover ‘the biggest cover up in the history of this nation.’ She believes that the President is using a ‘fraudulently obtained’ social security number and that the Social Security Administration—among other agencies—is involved in a scheme to ‘cover up social security fraud, IRS fraud, elections fraud and possibly treason’ committed by the President. As her numerous filings with the Court demonstrate, plaintiff will stop at nothing to get to the bottom of this alleged conspiracy. Unfortunately for plaintiff, today is not her lucky day.”-Chief U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, August 30, 2011

  142. avatar
    bgansel9 July 15, 2015 at 10:24 pm #

    I just read that Dinesh D’Souza is being ordered to get psychological counseling by a judge. I so wish one of these judges were able to do that to Orly as well. That woman is insane.

  143. avatar
    Keith July 15, 2015 at 11:05 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Oh, what, that they’re “Illegal?!”

    No, Nancy: that they are all diseased, drug crazed, rapists and generally foul reveners.

    It’s not slander/libel when it’s the truth.

    And Trump is not telling the truth. Period.

  144. avatar
    Lupin July 16, 2015 at 2:24 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    A fairly straightforward solution to this problem would be for the United States to give Texas to Mexico.

    Ah if only JADE HELM was really what the buffoons describe!

  145. avatar
    Lupin July 16, 2015 at 2:59 am #

    In re JADE HELM monitoring by Texas:

    “According to information provided by Abbott’s office, the monitoring will be done by a group of four to five people from the guard, including one who will serve as a liaison with the Texas Department of Public Safety.”

    Source:
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/State-Guard-to-monitor-Jade-Helm-from-Austin-6384207.php

    If only Saddam Hussein had thought of appointing “a group of four to five people” to stave off the invasion.

    Birdbrain will be leading the charge, for sure.

  146. avatar
    James M July 16, 2015 at 3:34 am #

    bgansel9: College degrees or Graduate degrees? I can name 3 First Ladies with Graduate degrees right off the top of my head:

    I should have said “ranks” not “handful”.

  147. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 16, 2015 at 8:03 am #

    I don’t need to “cite” anything. I lived in South Florida when the Cubans infiltrated. Later, they were helped by Bush, Jr and Jeb Bush just to name a few when the cocaine started flowing into America.

    I kidnapped Adam Walsh. I know WHY Adam Walsh was kidnapped. I know that Adam Walsh was NOT molested. I know where Adam Walsh is/was buried and my testimony will have more than enough facts to back it up.

    As for John Walsh and anybody who had anything to do with our county, you may come in clean. But, I promise you, you either leave dirty or you don’t leave at all. Pablo Escobar was NOT the mastermind behind it. He was a part of it, sure. But, his role is amped up to hide some of the other co-conspirators one of whom was a Hendry County sheriff, Sermon Dyess, Jr., sent to Federal Prison in 1993.

    However, that registered motive by presumably John Walsh does give me a clue as to WHO ordered the kill. I have been torn between two people which will not be named because I know Doc. C will just either delete it or censor it. So, just follow my blogs on “Obama: The Perfect Manchurian Candidate,” “Before It’s News” and “The Rumor Mill News Reading Room.”

    This is old and needs to be rewritten since I have had more memories coming back to me. It covers Adam Walsh and a few of the other murders. Before you say anything about fear mongering, I’m with Alex Jones in sharing the danger level that America is now under and I greatly admire how hard he and several others have been trying to give us all fair warning so that we don’t get caught with our pants around our ankles so to speak.

    http://captdax2.blogspot.com/2013/06/warning-obama-white-genocide.html

    bgansel9: Really Nancy?Would you care to cite the many hundreds of thousands of rapes and murders these undocumented immigrants are committing? Because if Trump is telling the truth, there must be many hundreds of thousands of rapes and murders being committed. Where are they? Cite them! I dare you.

  148. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 16, 2015 at 8:04 am #

    I’m going to paste this on my wall. Can you guess why?

    The Magic M (not logged in): No, but that’s actually one thing I’d defend Trump on – I didn’t notice it myself and I don’t think it’s a big deal (though pretty embarrassing).
    For me the bigger issue is that Trump obviously thinks “making America great again” involves the military above all things – truly a frightening outlook.

  149. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 16, 2015 at 8:08 am #

    Only if the George and Jeb Bush go with it since those two are already on their knees kowtowing to their Hispanic New World Order drug lords! From what I heard recently from Abel Danger’s last, or second to last broadcast, Jeb Bush likes it like that anyway so he shouldn’t have any problem with the “trade.” Pun intended.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    A fairly straightforward solution to this problem would be for the United States to give Texas to Mexico.

  150. avatar
    JPotter July 16, 2015 at 8:16 am #

    OBAMA GOES TO PRISON
    7/16/15

    According to FOX news (and, for once, every other major news outlet) Obama is headed to Federal Prison in El Reno, OK today.

    Has anyone told the inmates at BR that Obama will be in prison today?

    Just visiting with guards and inmates, measuring a cell for curtains, etc. 😉

    http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/obama-visit-el-reno-correctional-facility/nmzc2/

  151. avatar
    bgansel9 July 16, 2015 at 10:25 am #

    James M: I should have said “ranks” not “handful”.

    You were wrong, and as I stated, many of the earlier First Ladies were well educated, just not in a college setting. You are stereotyping an untruth.

  152. avatar
    Dave B. July 16, 2015 at 1:29 pm #

    A little walk down memory lane, and why Donald is running for real:
    http://writinginamerica.com/?p=1450

  153. avatar
    justlw July 16, 2015 at 1:34 pm #

    Dave B.:
    A little walk down memory lane, and why Donald is running for real:
    http://writinginamerica.com/?p=1450

    Surgical. Devastating. Brilliant. Two takeouts in 48 hours. Kudos, Mister President.

  154. avatar
    Dave B. July 16, 2015 at 2:09 pm #

    Some seriously concentrated natural born dumbassery, explaining why Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen, starting out with Deuteronomy and ending up with James Spurgeon (the idiot who wrote that dumb IVN article):
    http://eaglerising.com/20923/is-ted-cruz-is-a-natural-born-citizen-the-short-answer-is-yes/

  155. avatar
    Dave B. July 16, 2015 at 2:44 pm #

    Speaking of dumbassery, arnash is waxing philosophical about how Cuba ceased to exist:
    http://patriotpost.us/commentary/36371

  156. avatar
    Jim July 16, 2015 at 6:50 pm #

    I’m thinking I may be needing to update this article I wrote in 2013…

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/07/is-mike-zullo-running-a-scam-on-the-birthers/

    Maybe I should title it…”Mike Zullo, when the scammer gets scammed”

  157. avatar
    Sudoku July 16, 2015 at 7:49 pm #

    I could use some help. Does anyone have the link to the law that says Obama couldn’t be a U.S. Citizen is he was born outside the country. I remember it had to do with his mother not being old enough. I KNOW HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. Just looking for the link.

    Thanks.

  158. avatar
    Dave B. July 16, 2015 at 7:56 pm #

    The specific law was former Sec. 301(a)(7) of the INA:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/8693236/1952-Immigration-and-Nationality-Act-Title3-Chapter1#scribd

    If you look at the LII page for the codified statute:
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

    you can click on the “Notes” tab and see the legislative history of that section, with the amendments to its current form and the effective dates of the amendments.

    Sudoku:
    I could use some help.Does anyone have the link to the law that says Obama couldn’t be a U.S. Citizen is he was born outside the country.I remember it had to do with his mother not being old enough.I KNOW HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.Just looking for the link.

    Thanks.

  159. avatar
    Sudoku July 16, 2015 at 7:58 pm #

    Thank you, Dave B.!

  160. avatar
    Dave B. July 16, 2015 at 8:00 pm #

    You might also be interested in the State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual that deals with that specific statute:

    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

    Pages 15-18 are helpful.

  161. avatar
    RanTalbott July 16, 2015 at 8:01 pm #

    Jim: I’m thinking I may be needing to update this article I wrote in 2013

    Or write a new one, showing how Zullo’s failure to follow the first one’s advice shattered his universe.

    On a philosophical note: I like the idea of not updating previous writings beyond that addition of corrective notes like “Subsequent events showed that this ‘fact’ was not true”, or “This conclusion was later proven incorrect”. There’s something 1984-ish about people who make revisions without identifying them. Not saying that you were actually considering doing that, but your comment suggested you might be.

    It’s better to come out with something new, and refer back to the intact original. It builds credibility by acknowledging the previous version was incorrect/incomplete, and adds an incentive to get it right the first time.

  162. avatar
    Dave B. July 16, 2015 at 8:45 pm #

    Another new candidate for 2016, Limberbutt McCubbins:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/14/limberbutt-mccubbins/can-a-cat-run-for-president/

  163. avatar
    Sudoku July 16, 2015 at 9:09 pm #

    Thanks again, Dave B.!

  164. avatar
    Punchmaster via Mobile July 16, 2015 at 9:15 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Can a cat run for president:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/14/limberbutt-mccubbins/can-a-cat-run-for-president/

    Count me in, on the Lil Bub/Grumpy Cat ticket.

  165. avatar
    Jim July 16, 2015 at 9:16 pm #

    Cat’s only 5 years old…gotta wait 30 years! 😀

  166. avatar
    Dave B. July 16, 2015 at 9:23 pm #

    You’re welcome!

    Sudoku:
    Thanks again, Dave B.!

  167. avatar
    RanTalbott July 16, 2015 at 10:22 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Can a cat run for president

    Only if the opposition are banned from bringing laser pointers to the debates.

    Cats might be able to run for Parliament, but they’d never make it here: they’d run out of patience in our insanely long election cycles.

  168. avatar
    bgansel9 July 16, 2015 at 11:17 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: I don’t need to “cite” anything. I lived in South Florida

    So I guess we DON’T need a fence (and not Donald’s wall either) because you’re talking about Florida immigration. Must be a lot of Cubans making right wing Americans angry. And how does Cuban immigration in Florida tie in with Donald Trump?

    Oh, I see, you can’t answer the question posed, so you try to create a distraction. Didn’t work. You didn’t cite any proof that Donald Trump isn’t lying.

    Again, you fail to make any sense. I’m done with you. You are a clueless idiot.

  169. avatar
    bgansel9 July 16, 2015 at 11:27 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: I kidnapped Adam Walsh. I know WHY Adam Walsh was kidnapped. I know that Adam Walsh was NOT molested. I know where Adam Walsh is/was buried and my testimony will have more than enough facts to back it up.

    Does this clown really need to be here? She constantly makes everything on this board about her psychosis.

  170. avatar
    bgansel9 July 17, 2015 at 12:15 am #

    And, by the way, Nancy, I lived in South Florida too for about 20 years. What’s your point? Oh, nevermind, you don’t have one.

  171. avatar
    Dave July 17, 2015 at 7:56 am #

    Recent polling has our favorite birther Presidential candidate running even with Bush for the nomination. Recent polling of a match-up between him and Clinton indicates Clinton ahead by 19 points. Wouldn’t that be fun?

    But I won’t get too excited. My favorite Irish bookie still gives odds of Trump winning the nomination as roughly no freaking chance.

  172. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 17, 2015 at 8:21 am #

    Dave: Recent polling of a match-up between him and Clinton indicates Clinton ahead by 19 points.

    And that’s long before the media starts digging up all his dirt once he becomes the nominee. He’s the perfect example of the current GOP problem – the crazy base dominates the primaries and it’s Catch-22: if they choose the crazy candidate, most independents won’t vote for him; if they choose a moderate candidate, (parts of) the crazy base will not vote for him. They lose either way.

  173. avatar
    Reality Check July 17, 2015 at 9:42 am #

    For anyone who is a reader of the Fogbow forum it will be offline for an indeterminate time today while Foggy migrates the forum back to the software that it used to run on before he switched to IPS Board last year. The estimate was 5 to 9 hours.

  174. avatar
    Lupin July 17, 2015 at 9:57 am #

    bgansel9: Does this clown really need to be here?

    A clown at least is meant to be funny.

    Nancy is either a pathological liar desperate for attention or a full-blown lunatic off her meds. Either way it’s not even remotely funny.

  175. avatar
    Reality Check July 17, 2015 at 10:33 am #

    Nancy is the crazy person on the street corner mumbling to herself whom you cross the street to avoid.

    Lupin: A clown at least is meant to be funny.

  176. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 17, 2015 at 10:51 am #

    Versus Congress who are all sane? A Congress who just somehow managed to bypass the vetting process for Obama which opens up the door for Communist Cuba’s Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio just as planned out by George Bush’s best buddy, the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar.

    Isn’t this getting just a little bit redundant?

    Reality Check:
    Nancy is the crazy person on the street corner mumbling to herself whom you cross the street to avoid.

  177. avatar
    bgansel9 July 17, 2015 at 11:04 am #

    Lupin: A clown at least is meant to be funny.

    True, but I didn’t want to earn a demerit on this forum for calling her what I would really like to call her. 😛

  178. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm #

    RanTalbott: your analysis is a whole lot better than mine

    Ran, I disagree. I think that both exist simultaneously. Seems to me, Montgomery has been working many clever angles–he’s a successful, consummate con artist, apparently operating in every venue. In addition to his government-corruption hustle, he apparently was hustling in Vegas too. He has a bad gambling habit, and used to throw around millions of dollars, so I guess he was able to pass bad checks in Vegas–owing some people millions. So, I’m also wondering whether he’s got problems with the Mob. Quite a character. It’s like the unfolding of the plot in a great novel, and I’m kinda hooked on the book and can’t put it down.

  179. avatar
    Rickey July 17, 2015 at 12:54 pm #

    bgansel9: Does this clown really need to be here? She constantly makes everything on this board about her psychosis.

    And she refuses to answer direct questions. You asked her about Trump’s claims about the incidence of violent crimes committed by undocumented aliens, and she went off on a tangent about her fantasies of being involved with a drug cartel, which has absolutely noting to do with undocumented aliens.

    This article from the Wall Street Journal points out that immigrants are much less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born Americans.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

  180. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 17, 2015 at 4:16 pm #

    You’re asking me to speak for Mr. Trump. I won’t do that. The information I post here is of first-hand personal knowledge. If you have a question for Mr. Trump I suggest you give him a call.

    To the best of my knowledge, I’ve never met Trump. My husband has. I haven’t. Having said that, keep in mind that a lot of the players you see in the political arena were with Escobar in the 80’s.

    I do also remember Israel’s Netanyahu coming to the compound as well. Don’t assume that I’m saying he too is a drug dealer.

    Many of the Miami residents, transplants from New York and other regions, were being murdered off by Pablo so, for all I know, he was there attempting to find out where his people were disappearing to.

    I know I would. He was not comfortable being there and he did not appear to be trying to kiss Escobar’s behind.

    Again, personal first-hand knowledge.

    Rickey: And she refuses to answer direct questions. You asked her about Trump’s claims about the incidence of violent crimes committed by undocumented aliens, and she went off on a tangent about her fantasies of being involved with a drug cartel, which has absolutely noting to do with undocumented aliens.

    This article from the Wall Street Journal points out that immigrants are much less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born Americans.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

  181. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2015 at 5:01 pm #

    36 in “cat years.”

    Jim:
    Cat’s only 5 years old…gotta wait 30 years!😀

  182. avatar
    Dave B. July 17, 2015 at 5:14 pm #

    Candidate McCubbins is on that issue:

    “Together, we can make this journey; we can cross this terrain; we can catch this red dot. God bless you all.”

    http://jezebel.com/jezebel-endorses-limberbutt-mccubbins-cat-for-preside-1716827972

    RanTalbott: Only if the opposition are banned from bringing laser pointers to the debates.

  183. avatar
    bgansel9 July 17, 2015 at 5:51 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: You’re asking me to speak for Mr. Trump. I won’t do that.

    You said Trump was telling the truth, now you say you don’t believe it? You don’t have enough knowledge to back up the claim? Then why did you state Trump is telling the truth if you didn’t know?

    You most certainly DO speak for Trump, until you are called to the carpet with a demand to cite the evidence. Then you go all knobby kneed. You don’t do this very well, Nancy. Maybe you should stop trying to involve yourself in politics. After all, you have a LOT on your plate already with all of those murders and such. I’m sure you could fill a lifetime of days just talking about that stuff…. I mean, you already do here, on a forum where the subject matter is not even remotely related to the stories you tell.

  184. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 17, 2015 at 6:15 pm #

    There you go twisting things again to suit your warped sense of logic.

    I called Mike ZulloMoore and Congress and the FBI and Carl Gallups and Mike Volin and Larry Klayman and Mario Puzzo and Sheriff Arpaio and my Florida representatives and America’s Most Wanted and Alex Jones (message left of his tips hotline and I know he’s paying attention) and Doug Hagmann (who is the only one who allowed me to talk of his radio show by the way) and the FBI again and gave evidence to the Osceola County Sheriff’s Department (flash drive with over 100 YouTube videos) and the Hendry County Sheriff’s Office (telephone call) and Larry Nichols, who did listen, and Mark McDaniel, who did listen, and set up a website called http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com and http://www.ikidnappedadamwalsh.com and http://www.pabloswhiterabbit.com (all of which were hacked from the inside) and wrote blogs on “Before It’s News” (they ALWAYS allow me to post my blogs) on and on and on………

    You’re calling me a coward? You say I’m not trying? Where’s my subpoena? I can deliver my testimony. It would take me at least a year to write it all down in affidavit form and one on one testimony would be so much easier and quicker given the time crunch here.

    I can’t make them listen or move on it. They didn’t do it in the 80’s. I very seriously doubt that they’re going to do anything now. What direction would you like to see me go in now? Tell me and, I promise, I’ll make the move.

    bgansel9: You said Trump was telling the truth, now you say you don’t believe it? You don’t have enough knowledge to back up the claim? Then why did you state Trump is telling the truth if you didn’t know?

    You most certainly DO speak for Trump, until you are called to the carpet with a demand to cite the evidence. Then you go all knobby kneed.You don’t do this very well, Nancy. Maybe you should stop trying to involve yourself in politics. After all, you have a LOT on your plate already with all of those murders and such. I’m sure you could fill a lifetime of days just talking about that stuff…. I mean, you already do here, on a forum where the subject matter is not even remotely related to the stories youtell.

  185. avatar
    Suranis July 17, 2015 at 7:00 pm #

    If you keep doing that with your hand you will either go blind or be arrested for carnal knowlage of a nude muppet.

    Nancy R Owens: Again, personal first-hand knowledge.

  186. avatar
    Keith July 17, 2015 at 8:00 pm #

    Dave:
    Recent polling has our favorite birther Presidential candidate running even with Bush for the nomination. Recent polling of a match-up between him and Clinton indicates Clinton ahead by 19 points. Wouldn’t that be fun?

    But I won’t get too excited. My favorite Irish bookie still gives odds of Trump winning the nomination as roughly no freaking chance.

    Huffington post has moved his coverage over to where it belongs… The entertainment section.

  187. avatar
    RanTalbott July 17, 2015 at 8:42 pm #

    A mystery guest at BTR posted a link to a news story from almost exactly 4 years ago (19JUL11), showing Michelle Bachmann taking the lead from Romney with very similar numbers.

    (And no, it wasn’t me: I’m respecting their ban)

    So, if history continues to rhyme, will we see Ted Cruz follow the trajectory of Herman Cain? Will Rand Paul maul Trump in the debates like his daddy did Bachmann?

  188. avatar
    bgansel9 July 17, 2015 at 9:28 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: You’re calling me a coward? You say I’m not trying? Where’s my subpoena? I can deliver my testimony

    No, I didn’t call you a coward. I said you can’t and won’t show proof that Trump is telling the truth. I never attached any motive to it (perhaps your choice of coward is very telling though, thanks for suggesting it. I’ll make note and consider that possibility).

    As for your testimony, nobody gives a damn about your testimony, that’s why you haven’t gotten and will never get a subpoena. Now, kindly go away because you contribute nothing to this forum, unless you can cite the information I asked for (but I see you managed to make your last post all about YOU and your crazy stories again – must be nice for you to live in a world where only Nancy exists – I think they call that narcissism.)

  189. avatar
    bgansel9 July 17, 2015 at 9:33 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: What direction would you like to see me go in now? Tell me and, I promise, I’ll make the move.

    I told you the move to make yesterday. Please cite the millions of rapes and murders committed by undocumented immigrants to prove Donald Trump is telling the truth. Now, you said you’d do it, go get to it. Take a few days if you need to look up the information. I can wait until Monday or Tuesday.

  190. avatar
    Pete July 17, 2015 at 9:57 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: What direction would you like to see me go in now? Tell me and, I promise, I’ll make the move.

    Nancy,

    Here’s the direction I’d like to see you go in.

    1) As far as haircut goes, go with just a little bit below your ears and kind of rounded. In between the cut of 6 weeks ago and the way you had it before that.

    Why? Because I think that’s the best style for you, and I like to see people looking their best. Helps you feel good, too.

    2) Really search your soul and try to figure out why you feel the need to publicly confess to all sorts of stuff. To most of us here, it looks like some sort of need for attention. Where does that need for attention come from? Maybe a good counselor can help you sort this out.

    3) Build a better life for yourself. Get involved somewhere where you can genuinely help people. Like volunteering. Healthy social settings. Maybe a church. I think it could be good for you.

    Go healthy. Healthier life. Healthier outlook. Healthier days.

    That’s it. That’s the direction I’d like to see you go.

  191. avatar
    Yoda July 18, 2015 at 10:17 am #

    Trump is actually the LOWEST rated republican despite the fact that he leads the field. How? I will explain.

    There are 17 GOP candidates for President. Those who like Trump are already among those who would vote for him in the primaries. The question is, as other candidates drop out, how many new people is he likely to pick up? I submit that it is very few. On the other hand If a Jeb Bush or a Rand Paul drops out, their supports might well end up with Walker. Trump is not get that kind of bump. His popularity will plateau and will probably remain fairly constant as candidates dwindle. Relatively speaking, he his position should steadily fall even has his percentages remain constant.

  192. avatar
    Yoda July 18, 2015 at 10:19 am #

    My apologies to Ran Talbott. He already made the same point that I did.

  193. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 18, 2015 at 11:41 am #

    Nancy R Owens: and the FBI again and gave evidence to the Osceola County Sheriff’s Department (flash drive with over 100 YouTube videos)

    Youtube videos aren’t evidence. This is what you keep missing out on. You rambling incoherently making all sorts of claims isn’t evidence to back up the claims you were making. It’s no wonder people ignored you. Just as you’ve done here every time you’ve been asked to back up your claims you fail to do so and instead change the subject. Lol a flash drive of youtube videos. Are you Dennis Montgomery?

    He may not have called you a coward but I am. Every time you’ve been asked to provide any evidence you’ve failed to do so.

  194. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 18, 2015 at 11:43 am #

    Nancy R Owens: I can deliver my testimony. It would take me at least a year to write it all down in affidavit form and one on one testimony would be so much easier and quicker given the time crunch here.

    Your made up testimony isn’t evidence. You have been unable to provide proof that you know any of the people involved that you were anywhere near any of them. Again you claiming you were isn’t evidence.

  195. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 18, 2015 at 12:31 pm #

    Provide me with an investigator. You can’t do that. It’s not my fault that the powers that be have kept you from knowing the truth. You’ve never heard of me? You didn’t know I was involved in these murders? Whose fault is that?

    Maybe the reason you’re angry at me is because you are just now realizing that they are allowing this information to filter out to you thirty plus years later and you feel like idiots. Like they’ve played you and now you may be forced to OPENLY accept foreign kings as your masters because these political clowns NEVER had control.

    They couldn’t control their greed and this is exactly what Russia, Cuba, Colombia, and Mexico were banking on. They will tell you you have to accept all of this foreign cultures right at the same time that your English-speaking children are being slaughtered.

    Bush’s greatest con job: “I shouldn’t have to speak Spanish.”

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Your made up testimony isn’t evidence.You have been unable to provide proof that you know any of the people involved that you were anywhere near any of them.Again you claiming you were isn’t evidence.

  196. avatar
    Kate July 18, 2015 at 1:31 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:

    You’re calling me a coward? You say I’m not trying? Where’s my subpoena? I can deliver my testimony. It would take me at least a year to write it all down in affidavit form and one on one testimony would be so much easier and quicker given the time crunch here.

    With your numerous contradictions among your many videos, your claims of killing people that law enforcement members know are still alive and your continuous nonsense in referring to Mike Moore as “Mike Zullo Moore” there’s no reason for anyone to pay attention to you. Sane, rational people are well aware that President Obama’s birth certificate is genuine and the state of Hawaii has stood behind it. He has a detailed life story with plenty of evidence to back it up. There is nothing you can tell them about it that would be true unless you were to confess to the fact that you have been lying about your alleged forging of the birth certificate since the first time you posted your fairy tale.

    Your recent addition of Netanyahu to your story is not surprising as you tend to add anyone that is currently in the news. In fact, you said in an earlier post, a couple years ago, that the Bush family was NOT involved in any of the cocaine trade in FL. You emphasized that you weren’t a “Bushbot” (your wording) and then a few months later, you’ve got them torturing you, trying to kill you and other b.s. you made up. You have David Nixon alive one month and then claimed you killed him a few months later. With all these discrepancies, along with dozens more, why the hell would you think anyone would believe a word you say? There is nothing for you to provide to anyone in law enforcement anywhere in the country, including Arpaio’s sham of an investigation. You got some good advice from Pete, you really ought to read it again and act on it.

  197. avatar
    bob July 18, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    Judy claims to have filed this application for a stay.

    It would appear Judy is requesting to stay the inevitable dismissal of his petition. Because two of the justices were nominated by an usurper.

  198. avatar
    CRJ July 18, 2015 at 2:03 pm #

    See what you have done and why Judy v. Obama 14-9396 is so important. It exposes the commie-based-Republicrats (CBR’s)

    [Although Senator Cruz has many detractors who claim his presidential bid to be illegitimate, the arguments they make against his status as a natural born citizen do not seem, on the face things, to be convincing—especially since President Obama has actually served a full term as president (and beyond) under the selfsame legal theory that Cruz holds to be valid.]

    (Referencing Legal Theory: If you can get-away- with it for 4 years it’s then legal? And, oh by the way only Presidential Candidates have standing to get it to the Supreme Court for a stand of the Founding Principle associated by every Pres accept those born at the time of the adoption and Arthur burning his I.D.? What’s the percentage of the General Public to Candidates For Pres? Now, wipe all those out who failed to file against McCain because their “racist”?

    320M Americans- 100 Candidates for Pres 100:320M – only 1 filed against McCain and Obama 1:320M. I really can’t believe you folks trash me for something twenty two years ago that plainly was a Union of Church and State with evidence when you could be using it against R’s. )

    [Only a Supreme Court ruling clearly negating Cruz’s claim of being a natural born citizen—or contrarian amendatory language ratified by three-fourths of the states, in order to change the Constitution—]( CHANGE? How about 8 attempts to Legislatively change since 2003 that FAILED in Congress being a witness against Cruz and Obama, and Rubio etc.,? )[could realistically alter the legal framework Cruz is affirming in his run for president. But the likelihood of any such scenario playing out is, in all actuality, highly unlikely.]

    Read more at http://eaglerising.com/20923/is-ted-cruz-is-a-natural-born-citizen-the-short-answer-is-yes/#8rSJWLmY4DYuBrTw.99

    The Definition of being really smashed drunk, a U.S. traitor, or just stupid is (?) defined clearly by the “Hope” to keep it from a Hearing in SCOTUS?

    @Yoda
    You forget the “biggest reason” Candidates drop out is because campaign funds dry up and they can’t sustain themselves. Trump doesn’t have that problem.

    Imagine Golden bracelets, iPhone watches, maybe car keys waiting for Trump’s caucus turn-outs compared to Hillary’s Shovels lol, and the momentum just keeps on going.

    Democrats have de-sensitized the Nation when it comes to 3 marriages, 4 bankruptcies, and a hot wife 25 years junior.

    D’s have paved the way for Trump not available as little as 2 Pres. elections ago. The 11 million you report Trump offended are either not registered voters on work permits or are illegally here in the first place.

    Boy, I can see the commercial wars now with those Trump either employs or those victims he flys around and spot lights, gaining a lot more sympathy than :

    “Vote for Hillary so your brother can stay here illegally man”. H.C. :”I’m H.C. and I approve of this message”

    Not sure if R’s have “Super Delegates” the way D’s do when it comes to the nomination but I’m just not sure the R’s old guard can hold Trump back if he wins a Caucus and a Primary. Polls indicate he could do that now and he’s got more brand name recognition now than Obama ever had starting out and a whole lot more $$$.

    The high ground of the Constitution is the only way to defeat the R’s this time. Its a change, but if D’s don’t double back and hightail for it, the High ground will be lost.

    HRC has no way back to the High ground. She’s compromised! Idiots know this, why don’t you?

  199. avatar
    gorefan July 18, 2015 at 2:04 pm #

    bob:
    Judy claims to have filed this application for a stay.

    It would appear Judy is requesting to stay the inevitable dismissal of his petition. Because two of the justices were nominated by an usurper.

    Since it came after he apparently missed the deadline will this even appear on the docket?

  200. avatar
    Nancy R Owens July 18, 2015 at 2:09 pm #

    You seem to be a little confused here. I can back up Mr. Donald Trump’s statement that the birth certificate is fake because I forged it. I don’t work for Trump. I won’t waste my time trying to back up everything else he says. I have provided an affidavit confessing to the FBI on the forgery.

    It’s not as specific as they’d like and I do need to redo it with details. It’s hard for me because I don’t know if Obama is my half-brother and there is a part of me that is not comfortable in betraying blood. I know that I forged the documents, for whom, and why. I know that I took his black and white photos and prepared his bio for college.

    I also know that he was almost murdered several times in Clewiston, Florida and that he had a funeral in Harlem. He would have had a huge scar on his head just like the President has. I was told by my father that Allen/Obama was not really dead and that they were taking him to a safe location away from Escobar’s drug territory.

    I don’t know if my father was telling me the truth or if he was trying to make things easier on me given all that I had already been through. Or, maybe he feared that I would hunt him down on Pablo’s command. I do believe the location was his grandmother’s village of Mombasa in Kenya. To the best of my knowledge, I never saw him again.

    Is that a real scar on “Obama” or is it makeup? Is that really my brother? Or, is he an actor? With millions of people to chose from it’s not hard to find body doubles. Vince Foster was killed in 1982. His body double lived on for another ten years or so. John F. Kennedy, Jr was killed in 1981. His body double lived on until reportedly 1989.

    I do know that the woman who claims to be his sister is really Maya Delgado whose brother was known as the “Bikini Killer.”

    I back up Trump’s claim that the document in forged because I have first hand knowledge of this forgery. Again, I do not work for Trump and neither does my husband so I will stress this once more, I’m not going to go chasing down information to back up everything Mr. Trump claims.

    My affidavit has been submitted to the FBI so my “call to the carpet” has been met. If this is not good enough, then let me know and I will set up a FundMe account and you can make any contribution you’d like.

    bgansel9: You said Trump was telling the truth, now you say you don’t believe it? You don’t have enough knowledge to back up the claim? Then why did you state Trump is telling the truth if you didn’t know?

    You most certainly DO speak for Trump, until you are called to the carpet with a demand to cite the evidence. Then you go all knobby kneed.You don’t do this very well, Nancy. Maybe you should stop trying to involve yourself in politics. After all, you have a LOT on your plate already with all of those murders and such. I’m sure you could fill a lifetime of days just talking about that stuff…. I mean, you already do here, on a forum where the subject matter is not even remotely related to the stories youtell.

  201. avatar
    bob July 18, 2015 at 2:12 pm #

    The only person who thinks Judy’s suit is important is Judy, as it was summarily dismissed by the district court, and the dismissal was summarily affirmed by the appellate court.

    Judy creates delay and wastes judicial resources, and congratulates himself for doing so.

  202. avatar
    CRJ July 18, 2015 at 2:16 pm #

    See what you have done and why Judy v. Obama 14-9396 is so important. It exposes the commie-based-Republicrats (CBR’s)

    [Although Senator Cruz has many detractors who claim his presidential bid to be illegitimate, the arguments they make against his status as a natural born citizen do not seem, on the face things, to be convincing—especially since President Obama has actually served a full term as president (and beyond) under the selfsame legal theory that Cruz holds to be valid.]

    (Referencing Legal Theory: If you can get-away- with it for 4 years it’s then legal? And, oh by the way only Presidential Candidates have standing to get it to the Supreme Court for a stand of the Founding Principle associated by every Pres accept those born at the time of the adoption and Arthur burning his I.D.? What’s the percentage of the General Public to Candidates For Pres? Now, wipe all those out who failed to file against McCain because their “racist”?

    320M Americans- 100 Candidates for Pres 100:320M – only 1 filed against McCain and Obama 1:320M. I really can’t believe you folks trash me for something twenty two years ago that plainly was a Union of Church and State with evidence when you could be using it against R’s. )

    [Only a Supreme Court ruling clearly negating Cruz’s claim of being a natural born citizen—or contrarian amendatory language ratified by three-fourths of the states, in order to change the Constitution—]( CHANGE? How about 8 attempts to Legislatively change since 2003 that FAILED in Congress being a witness against Cruz and Obama, and Rubio etc.,? )[could realistically alter the legal framework Cruz is affirming in his run for president. But the likelihood of any such scenario playing out is, in all actuality, highly unlikely.]

    Read more at http://eaglerising.com/20923/is-ted-cruz-is-a-natural-born-citizen-the-short-answer-is-yes/#8rSJWLmY4DYuBrTw.99

    The Definition of being really smashed drunk, a U.S. traitor, or just stupid is (?) defined clearly by the “Hope” to keep it from a Hearing in SCOTUS?

    @Yoda
    You forget the “biggest reason” Candidates drop out is because campaign funds dry up and they can’t sustain themselves. Trump doesn’t have that problem.

    Imagine Golden bracelets, iPhone watches, maybe car keys waiting for Trump’s caucus turn-outs compared to Hillary’s Shovels lol, and the momentum just keeps on going.

    Democrats have de-sensitized the Nation when it comes to 3 marriages, 4 bankruptcies, and a hot wife 25 years junior.

    D’s have paved the way for Trump not available as little as 2 Pres. elections ago. The 11 million you report Trump offended are either not registered voters on work permits or are illegally here in the first place.

    Boy, I can see the commercial wars now with those Trump either employs or those victims he flys around and spot lights, gaining a lot more sympathy than :

    “Vote for Hillary so your brother can stay here illegally man”. H.C. :”I’m H.C. and I approve of this message”

    Not sure if R’s have “Super Delegates” the way D’s do when it comes to the nomination but I’m just not sure the R’s old guard can hold Trump back if he wins a Caucus and a Primary. Polls indicate he could do that now and he’s got more brand name recognition now than Obama ever had starting out and a whole lot more $$$.

    The high ground of the Constitution is the only way to defeat the R’s this time. Its a change, but if D’s don’t double back and hightail for it, the High ground will be lost.

    HRC has no way back to the High ground. She’s compromised! Idiots know this.

    http://www.codyjudy.us

  203. avatar
    Reality Check July 18, 2015 at 2:17 pm #

    Remember 2012?
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2011/10/horse_race_politics_an_animation_of_the_2012_republican_campaign.html

    Yoda: Trump is not get that kind of bump. His popularity will plateau and will probably remain fairly constant as candidates dwindle. Relatively speaking, he his position should steadily fall even has his percentages remain constant.

  204. avatar
    Yoda July 18, 2015 at 2:20 pm #

    CRJ:
    See what you have done and why Judy v. Obama 14-9396 is so important. It exposes the commie-based-Republicrats (CBR’s)

    [Although Senator Cruz has many detractors who claim his presidential bid to be illegitimate, the arguments they make against his status as a natural born citizen do not seem, on the face things, to be convincing—especially since President Obama has actually served a full term as president (and beyond) under the selfsame legal theory that Cruz holds to be valid.]

    (Referencing Legal Theory: If you can get-away- with it for 4 years it’s then legal? And, oh by the way only Presidential Candidates have standing to get it to the Supreme Court for a stand of the Founding Principle associated by every Pres accept those born at the time of the adoption and Arthur burning his I.D.? What’s the percentage of the General Public to Candidates For Pres? Now, wipe all those out who failed to file against McCain because their “racist”?

    320M Americans-100 Candidates for Pres 100:320M – only 1 filed against McCain and Obama 1:320M. I really can’t believe you folks trash me for something twenty two years ago that plainly was a Union of Church and State with evidence when you could be using it against R’s. )

    [Only a Supreme Court ruling clearly negating Cruz’s claim of being a natural born citizen—or contrarian amendatory language ratified by three-fourths of the states, in order to change the Constitution—]( CHANGE? How about 8 attempts to Legislatively change since 2003 that FAILED in Congress being a witness against Cruz and Obama, and Rubio etc.,? )[could realistically alter the legal framework Cruz is affirming in his run for president.But the likelihood of any such scenario playing out is, in all actuality, highly unlikely.]

    Read more at http://eaglerising.com/20923/is-ted-cruz-is-a-natural-born-citizen-the-short-answer-is-yes/#8rSJWLmY4DYuBrTw.99

    The Definition of being really smashed drunk, a U.S. traitor, or just stupid is (?) defined clearly by the “Hope” to keep it from a Hearing in SCOTUS?

    @Yoda
    You forget the “biggest reason” Candidates drop out is because campaign funds dry up and they can’t sustain themselves. Trump doesn’t have that problem.

    Imagine Golden bracelets, iPhone watches, maybe car keys waiting for Trump’s caucus turn-outs compared to Hillary’s Shovels lol, and the momentum just keeps on going.

    Democrats have de-sensitized the Nation when it comes to 3 marriages, 4 bankruptcies, and a hot wife 25 years junior.

    D’s have paved the way for Trump not available as little as 2 Pres. elections ago. The 11 million you report Trump offended are either not registered voters on work permits or are illegally here in the first place.

    Boy, I can see the commercial wars now with those Trump either employs or those victims he flys around and spot lights, gaining a lot more sympathy than :

    “Vote for Hillary so your brother can stay here illegally man”. H.C. :”I’m H.C. and I approve of this message”

    Not sure ifR’s have “Super Delegates” the way D’s do when it comes to the nomination but I’m just not sure the R’s old guard can hold Trump back if he wins a Caucus and a Primary. Polls indicate he could do that now and he’s got more brand name recognition now than Obama ever had starting out and a whole lot more $$$.

    The high ground of the Constitution is the only way to defeat the R’s this time. Its a change, but if D’s don’t double back and hightail for it, the High ground will be lost.

    HRC has no way back to the High ground. She’s compromised! Idiots know this.

    http://www.codyjudy.us

    Ms. Judy, I did not miss any point. It matters not WHY people drop out of the race, it matters what happens to their supporters when they do. I do not see a Trump picking up Cruz’s supporters when he eventually drops out.

    Get it?

  205. avatar
    justlw July 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm #

    Yoda:
    My apologies to Ran Talbott.He already made the same point that I did.

    It’s still a key point.

    When Trump first hit it big (where “big” equals “less than 20% of his own party”) in the polls, I was trying to find the oft-quoted stat that there’s a solid base of loonies — is the number 27%? — that can always be counted upon to go full derp. Trump has currently locked in a major chunk of the derp vote, which will only shift around a bit as other active derp players like Carson wax and wane.

    Of course, I think that’s all going to change now, as Trump hit the “eject” button earlier today with his comment on POWs. He’ll probably still salvage some hardcore derp apologists, but any chance of him growing beyond the derp base is now gone.

  206. avatar
    justlw July 18, 2015 at 2:29 pm #

    Reality Check: Remember 2012?
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2011/10/horse_race_politics_an_animation_of_the_2012_republican_campaign.html

    That’s a fantastic graphic!

    I’d forgotten that Gingrich had surged so late in the race. “What stupid people think a smart person sounds like.”

  207. avatar
    CRJ July 18, 2015 at 2:39 pm #

    Sorry, the Chinese must have got a hold of my “saving” ability.. The Site went off then came back literally with Chinese numbers attached as page numbers. I grabbed a screen shot but can’t Post it lol

    So, what your saying is it was the 20% of loonie derps that Obama appealed to in ’08. I get it.. Or doesn’t that apply across party lines?

  208. avatar
    justlw July 18, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

    CRJ: So, what your saying is it was the looney 20% that Obama appealed to in ’08.

    Er, no. You may recall that Obama won the Democratic nomination that year and went on to win the general election. There are certainly loonies who vote Democrat, and some of them may have even voted for Obama, but the solid-core loon vote I’m referring to is not going to go for a black Democrat named “Hussein”. And the kind of candidate whose base is the solid-core loon vote is not going to head a major party ticket, let alone win the general election.

  209. avatar
    bgansel9 July 18, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

    Speaking of Trump, he just questioned John McCain’s service in the military and it turns out he lied about his non-service. He got eight deferments from service in Vietnam: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-dodged-vietnam-war-medical-deferment-not-high-draft-number-claimed-article-1.109078

    A FOIA request in 2011 turns up his draft record: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/150×210/documents/1trumpdraftrecord.jpg (found on The Smoking Gun: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/deferments-helped-trump-dodge-vietnam )

  210. avatar
    CRJ July 18, 2015 at 2:55 pm #

    McCain’s Service Record is there to question.

    Did John Mccain Blow up the USS Forestal Aircraft carrier

    http://m.topix.com/forum/who/cnn/TIPHLLITR99DU2OKV

    “McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain’s external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire. ”

    @justlw
    “Er, no. You may recall that Obama won the Democratic nomination that year and went on to win the general election.”

    We were talking about the beginning Iowa Caucus win of Obama’s compared to Trump’s Polling now. If your theory holds Trump’s next POTUS

  211. avatar
    Reality Check July 18, 2015 at 2:57 pm #

    Trump used a series of deferments to avoid going to Vietnam from when he turned 19 in 1965 He drew a high number in the first draft lottery in 1969. When he was asked about his draft status recently he conveniently forget about the deferments and remembered only the high lottery number.

    bgansel9: A FOIA request in 2011 turns up his draft record: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/150×210/documents/1trumpdraftrecord.jpg (found on The Smoking Gun: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/deferments-helped-trump-dodge-vietnam )

  212. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 18, 2015 at 3:06 pm #

    “I think you have to assume a 27% crazification factor in any population.”

    — John Rogers

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crazification_factor

    justlw: I was trying to find the oft-quoted stat that there’s a solid base of loonies — is the number 27%? — that can always be counted upon to go full derp.

  213. avatar
    Reality Check July 18, 2015 at 3:08 pm #

    That is a completely inaccurate account of what happened. Topix is nothing more that a forum and the source is not CNN. McCain did not panic and drop two bombs. They were dislodged when his plane was hit by a rocket. McCain was lucky to escape alive. He was not responsible.

    CRJ: “McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain’s external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire. ”

  214. avatar
    justlw July 18, 2015 at 3:14 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: “I think you have to assume a 27% crazification factor in any population.”

    — John Rogers

    Thanks!

  215. avatar
    CRJ July 18, 2015 at 3:15 pm #

    @RealityCheck be really careful because when you start going back that far, you expose Hillary’s Reasons she didn’t register at all for the Draft.

    This weakens her “sexism’ card that is being heavily leaned upon by stressing 1965 as authority.

    It also cuts into Obama’s legacy by threatening him with the ” natural born Citizen” definition held in 1965. You need to keep history of the U.S. to a real minimum and relevant 6 years tops.. Lol (J/K)

    I think that McCain really wet started his plane as a joke to scare someone and that’s what started it.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

  216. avatar
    Rickey July 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm #

    CRJ:

    “McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain’s external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire. ”

    That’s a lie, and you should be ashamed of yourself for repeating it.

    I was a Communications Yeoman at the Naval Communication Center, Subic Bay, Philippines, when the Forrestal fire occurred. The ship came to Subic Bay for repairs fire before returning to its home port in Norfolk, Virginia. During the time that the ship was at Subic, we handled all of its communications until emergency repairs were made. Consequently, I got to see official reports about what happened.

    McCain was strapped into his A-4 Skyhawk when the plane was hit by a Zuni rocket which was accidentally fired by an F-4 Phantom fighter jet that was more than thirty yards behind McCain’s plane. The accidental firing was caused by an electrical surge in the fighter jet (a similar misfiring of a Zuni rocket had occurred aboard the aircraft carrier USS Hancock two months earlier, but that rocket didn’t hit anything and landed harmlessly in the ocean). The rocket hit McCain’s fuel tank and his plane burst into flames. He didn’t intentionally drop his bombs – he followed the emergency protocol and shut down his plane’s engines. That was when his bombs dropped onto the flight deck. He then got out of his cockpit, went up the nose of the plane and jumped off the fuel probe into the fire.

    The fact that his bombs dropped onto the flight deck is irrelevant. His plane was engulfed in flames, so the bombs would have exploded from the heat whether they were on the flight deck or still on the plane. By this time the leaking jet fuel from McCain’s plane had already caused the fire to spread to multiple other planes, and the bombs on those planes exploded even though they had not dropped to the flight deck.

  217. avatar
    Rickey July 18, 2015 at 5:04 pm #

    CRJ:
    @RealityCheck be really careful because when you start going back that far, you expose Hillary’s Reasons she didn’t register at all for the Draft.

    Are you really that stupid? Hillary couldn’t have registered for the draft even if she wanted to. The Selective Service System won’t accept draft registrations from females, because the law doesn’t allow it. In fact, the Supreme Court upheld the men-only requirement in 1981. But you should know that, what with you being a presidential candidate.

  218. avatar
    Rickey July 18, 2015 at 5:31 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Trump used a series of deferments to avoid going to Vietnam from when he turned 19 in 1965 He drew a high number in the first draft lottery in 1969. When he was asked about his draft status recently he conveniently forget about the deferments and remembered only the high lottery number.

    Trump’s many lies.

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/

  219. avatar
    bgansel9 July 18, 2015 at 5:36 pm #

    CRJ: McCain’s Service Record is there to question.

    Nobody has talked about his piloting skills. Are you stating that a man who went to Vietnam, got shot down and spent years as a prisoner of war is NOT a hero?

    And are you admitting that a man who said he didn’t go to Vietnam because he sought deferments due to the fact that “I wasn’t a big fan of the Vietnam war” isn’t a COWARD?

    You want a YELLOW Commander in Chief?

    Wow, have fun with that. Trump probably just lost the military vote by admitting he avoided war service.

  220. avatar
    bgansel9 July 18, 2015 at 6:00 pm #

    CRJ: @RealityCheck be really careful because when you start going back that far, you expose Hillary’s Reasons she didn’t register at all for the Draft.

    Really? Can anyone be this stupid?

    From: Lewis C. Brodsky, now former director of public and congressional affairs for the Selective Service:

    “Our country has never drafted women, ever,”

    http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=41660

  221. avatar
    Dave B. July 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm #

    “Let no man believe that there is a stigma attached to having been honorably taken captive in battle. Only the fighting man ever gets close enough to the enemy for that to happen. That he is not listed among the slain is due to the infinite care of providence. Be proud that you carried yourselves as men in battle and adversity. You will be enriched thereby.”
    –Col. Thomas D. Drake, commanding officer, 168th Infantry, 34th Division. Drake was captured at Sidi Bou Zid, along with my father, on February 17, 1943. Drake was a real veins-in-his-teeth fighter, who practically had to be physically subdued to be taken. He was such a bad prisoner the Germans sent him back in September 1944. Here’s what his divisional commander had to say to Drake at war’s end:
    “Knowing the conditions, I can only marvel at the gallantry of the 168th Infantry and yourself in the face of overwhelming odds. You, and you alone were fighting the entire German armored force of General Rommel and the delay you caused saved the Allied Forces in Southern Tunisia from disaster. Both of you wrote a page in American history for which you can be well proud. The blame for your defeat can only be layed on the shoulders of those who completely failed to come to your support as had been planned.”
    So rump can put that in his pipe and smoke it. Only the fighting man ever gets close enough.

    bgansel9: Speaking of Trump, he just questioned John McCain’s service in the military and it turns out he lied about his non-service

  222. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 18, 2015 at 7:23 pm #

    It does give one pause.

    bgansel9: Really? Can anyone be this stupid?

  223. avatar
    Rickey July 18, 2015 at 9:43 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Trump used a series of deferments to avoid going to Vietnam from when he turned 19 in 1965 He drew a high number in the first draft lottery in 1969. When he was asked about his draft status recently he conveniently forget about the deferments and remembered only the high lottery number.

    And after his student deferments ended when he finished graduate school, he conveniently sought and was given a 1-Y classification (qualified only case of a war or other national emergency) due to an undisclosed medical condition. In those days it was common knowledge that people who had connections with the local draft board could get 1-Y classifications for their sons. Some people also cheated, for example by taking medication which would raise their blood pressure.

    Trump got a high lottery number, but he didn’t need it because he already had the 1-Y (later 4-F) classification.

  224. avatar
    Rickey July 18, 2015 at 9:47 pm #

    bgansel9: Nobody has talked about his piloting skills. Are you stating that a man who went to Vietnam, got shot down and spent years as a prisoner of war is NOT a hero?

    And when he ejected from his out-of-control plane he broke both arms and a leg, so he was defenseless when he was pulled out of a lake by North Vietnamese.

  225. avatar
    RanTalbott July 19, 2015 at 4:38 am #

    bgansel9: He got eight deferments from service in Vietnam

    Interestingly, that article mentions that he has birthmarks on his heels. I guess that means that, like Thetis, his mother didn’t fully immerse him in the river.

    So, no matter how bad he gets, it would incorrect to call him “a complete dip-Styx”.

    You’d think someone with such a vulnerability would be more careful about shooting himself in the foot…

    An amusing take on the gaffe from trumpyourcat.com:
    https://twitter.com/BeccaPiano/status/622610982733508608/photo/1

  226. avatar
    Keith July 19, 2015 at 5:26 am #

    RanTalbott: like Thetis, his mother didn’t fully immerse him in the river.

    Achilles?

    Thetis was Achilles mother.

  227. avatar
    RanTalbott July 19, 2015 at 5:31 am #

    Lupin: I am often uncomfortable with the way the word “hero” is so casually bandied about n America’s somewhat jingoistic defense of their military.

    It’s not just used in discussions of the military: we also use it to describe police, firefighters, and other people who bravely do dangerous things on our behalf.

    There’s a legitimate argument that the term has become debased, that it should be a “superlative” and is being used for people who are only “comparatively” brave and selfless. But it’s filling a gap, because we don’t have a simple, concise term for such people in English, so the usage is understandable.

    Lupin: Can you be a “hero” in a bad cause

    I would say “sometimes, depending on the circumstances”. Although many of us see Vietnam as a “bad cause” in hindsight, I think the people who went there (at least semi-)voluntarily believed they were trying to do good for their fellow Americans and/or the Vietnamese (there were a few exceptions, of course, but there always are). That’s not the case for the WWII Axis powers, who were fighting for the power to subjugate and exploit their fellow humans. So, even though many of their soldiers did do things we would consider “heroic” in the abstract, we’re more reluctant to apply the term because we associate it with struggling for what we think is “right and good”.

    I disagree about McCain. While it’s fair to say that his service as a pilot was only “comparatively brave”, what he did while a POW was (at least, according to the stories I’ve heard) “superlative”, and does qualify him as a “hero”.

  228. avatar
    RanTalbott July 19, 2015 at 5:41 am #

    Keith: Achilles?

    Yeah: the temptation was just too hard to resist 😉

    It could’ve been worse: I could’ve said his mother dipped him in the East River on the Manhattan side, which made him invulnerable to humility and introspection.

  229. avatar
    Yoda July 19, 2015 at 8:08 am #

    RanTalbott: It’s not just used in discussions of the military: we also use it to describe police, firefighters, and other people who bravely do dangerous things on our behalf.

    There’s a legitimate argument that the term has become debased, that it should be a “superlative” and is being used for people who are only “comparatively” brave and selfless. But it’s filling a gap, because we don’t have a simple, concise term for such people in English, so the usage is understandable.

    I would say “sometimes, depending on the circumstances”. Although many of us see Vietnam as a “bad cause” in hindsight, I think the people who went there (at least semi-)voluntarily believed they were trying to do good for their fellow Americans and/or the Vietnamese (there were a few exceptions, of course, but there always are). That’s not the case for the WWII Axis powers, who were fighting for the power to subjugate and exploit their fellow humans. So, even though many of their soldiers did do things we would consider “heroic” in the abstract, we’re more reluctant to apply the term because we associate it with struggling for what we think is “right and good”.

    I disagree about McCain. While it’s fair to say that his service as a pilot was only “comparatively brave”, what he did while a POW was (at least, according to the stories I’ve heard) “superlative”, and does qualify him as a “hero”.

    I agree. As I recall, this can get traced back to Reagan’s calling the astronauts who were killed in the shuttle explosion “Heros” for simply being killed.

    As to “bad causes”, two things will always remain true. The first is that world history gets written from the perspective of winners and national, regional and local history is written from those perspectives.

    That is why you will never hero about German Heros during WWII in this country. The best we are willing to call them are people who are considered Heros by the Germans.

  230. avatar
    Rickey July 19, 2015 at 2:54 pm #

    Trump now says that he was reclassified 1-Y because of a bone spur in his foot. Only he can’t remember which foot it was.

    Trump managed to avoid serving in the Vietnam war because of a series of draft deferments. Asked why he didn’t serve, Trump said, “I had student deferments and ultimately had a medical deferment because of my feet. I had a bone spur.” But Trump said he did not recall which foot was injured and instructed reporters to look up his records.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/

  231. avatar
    Northland10 July 19, 2015 at 4:17 pm #

    CRJ: I think that McCain really wet started his plane as a joke to scare someone and that’s what started it.

    A-4s did not have afterburners.

  232. avatar
    Rickey July 19, 2015 at 4:49 pm #

    Northland10: A-4s did not have afterburners.

    Factcheck.org debunked the “wet start” theory in 2008:

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/

    What’s new to me in the Factcheck.org article is that the Zuni missile may actually have struck the plane which was parked next to McCain’s plane, and that explosion set McCain’s plane on fire. Not that it matters – The A-4s were waiting their turns for launching, which means that they were parked diagonally on the flight deck, with the tails pointed out to sea. Even if there had been a wet start, the flame would have shot our harmlessly.

  233. avatar
    Rickey July 19, 2015 at 4:57 pm #

    Yoda:

    That is why you will never hero about German Heros during WWII in this country. The best we are willing to call them are people who are considered Heros by the Germans.

    German film director Bernhard Wicki said “To die or to be a hero means absolutely nothing if it’s not for the right cause.”

    Wicki directed The Bridge, an Academy Award-nominated film which is said to be the first anti-war film about World War II to be made in Germany.

  234. avatar
    RanTalbott July 19, 2015 at 6:51 pm #

    Yoda: As I recall, this can get traced back to Reagan’s calling the astronauts who were killed in the shuttle explosion “Heros” for simply being killed.

    Well, (bleep) him if he actually said anything like that.

    They were heroes, like all astronauts, because they risked their lives, on odds that would stop most of us from risking a single paycheck, in order to help make a small advancement toward a spacefaring future for humanity that they knew they almost certainly wouldn’t live to experience themselves.

  235. avatar
    RanTalbott July 19, 2015 at 7:24 pm #

    This should be entertaining: Birfoon Report is featuring a piece by Devvy Kidd questioning the CCP.

    Mostly just a rehash of the doubts faltering fans have been expressing, but it contains what appears to be an actual fact not mentioned before:

    A couple of people sent me email. They wrote to the CCP asking for their donations back. Their certified letters were never picked up at the given PO box for the CCP.

    She also says:

    The CCP is also listed as “not in good standing” with the State of Arizona for failing to file a return there as a tax exempt operating in that state.

    I guess Corporal Zullo has been too busy trying to pry his “evidence” out of Monty to keep up with his paperwork…

  236. avatar
    Reality Check July 19, 2015 at 7:32 pm #

    When you have lost Devvy Kidd you have lost the bat poop crazy insane faction

  237. avatar
    Rickey July 19, 2015 at 8:46 pm #

    Reality Check:
    When you have lost Devvy Kidd you have lost the bat poop crazy insane faction

    Speaking of the bat poop crazy, the last active lawsuit by Strunk in esse, Strunk v. David Paterson, was dismissed on July 8.

    Court: Kings Civil Supreme
    Index Number: 029642/2008
    Case Name: STRUNK,CHRISTOPHER EARL vs. PATERSON,DAVID A.
    Case Type: Special Proceedings
    Track: Standard

    Appearance Information:
    Appearance Date 07/08/2015
    On For Supreme Trial
    Appearance Outcome Other Final Disp. Pre-Note
    Justice/Part SYLVIA G. ASH, PT. 71
    Comments Dismissed

  238. avatar
    Rickey July 19, 2015 at 8:54 pm #

    RanTalbott:
    This should be entertaining: Birfoon Report is featuring a piece by Devvy Kidd questioning the CCP.

    She is still pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories, I see.

    And she is still using a photo of her which had to have been taken at least 20 years ago. She turned 66 a few weeks ago.

  239. avatar
    Northland10 July 20, 2015 at 7:01 am #

    RanTalbott: She also says:

    The CCP is also listed as “not in good standing” with the State of Arizona for failing to file a return there as a tax exempt operating in that state.

    She is absolutely right, except for the part where she says they are not in good standing.

    Search Time:
    7/20/2015 3:55:12 AM
    File Number:
    13342890

    Corporation Name:
    THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF’S COLD CASE POSSE

    Corporate Status Inquiry
    This Corporation is in Good Standing

    There was the issue with their registered agent address a year ago but they switched it and that was good enough for the Arizona Corporation Commission. The CCP filed their annual report in May.

  240. avatar
    CRJ July 20, 2015 at 11:58 am #

    [Dr. Conspiracy
    December 27, 2008
    Hitandrun,

    For more on judicial review in the case of a presidential campaign, I recommend Natural Born’ in the USA: The striking unfairness and dangerous ambiguity of the Constitution’s presidential qualifications clause and why we need need to fix it starting around page 24.

    Once serious candidates emerge, even early in a primary race, the ripeness doctrine is unlikely to bar resolution of a bona fide challenge to a candidate’s constitutional eligibility to serve as President for several reasons. First, the issue would be concrete, and the case would not require development of the kind of record critical to most judicial decisions. The only essential facts would be the candidate’s birthplace and the citizenship of her parents. The heart of the matter would not involve the interplay of legal principles with complex facts, but interpretation of extensive legal and historical research concerning Article II and the intentions of the Framers in light of relevant principles of constitutional interpretation…]

    Nice Doc. [H]er. Hillary since 2008 huh?

    I guess with hindsight being 20/20 we have indeed had to go through the “Ripeness Doctrine” anyway and the 5+ Gang ( McCain, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal and Obama + whoever else) have given rise to it being now necessary for a Constitution Judicial Review/interpretation. (?)

    Learning a lot about McCain (Song-Bird McCain and his commie-movie-star status. What is it 30 – 32 movies? And KGB not dismissing the relative intelligence “dropping out of the sky” for free U.S. Military was providing?

    You know, I put j/k (just kidding) on my post about Hillary not registering for the Draft.

    Truth is McCain did graduate last or (second to last) in his military class , and his prankster rap sheet is notorious, but I fault him much less for his service in war than I do his service as a politician using his ‘war-hero’ status card as a “Usurpation Pass” on the Office of President.

    See: https://dockets.justia.com/docket/nevada/nvdce/2:2008cv01162/61642

    Many an active military men and woman who are not qualified to run for President due to their “age” , so the bogus non binding U.S. Sen resolution 511 was McCain using his stat to usurp the Constitution.

    Thinking @”Reality Check:
    When you have lost Devvy Kidd you have lost the bat poop crazy insane faction”-

    May score Big with you because Devvy just last week asked to be removed from my Email List. She of course has never mentioned my Case in a story. Score??? (smile)

    @Rickey-tickey-tembo “I got to see official reports about what happened”

    Nice Report and Defense of R- McCain! That was really above and beyond your pay grade! Releasing classified info? Wait-a-minute! I’m suppose to be ashamed of myself?

    Let’s just say “military accidents” regarding stupidity have to be “Framed” in much the same way as I was framed. i.e., In a way that best suited your agenda? Stories about me passed on here by LDS Church owned newspapers.

    Framing a story under Official Military Classified Opinion especially with 144 killed or lost under friendly 🔥 fire makes perfect sense and would be essential.

    You know if it were not for McCain’s ratteled grip on recovering POW’s and MIA’s that might betray him , and his Usurpation Pass of 511, I indeed would have more sympathy.

    https://youtu.be/4hr37eE0nO8

  241. avatar
    bob July 20, 2015 at 12:19 pm #

    I love lectures about heroism, content of character, etc., from those convicted of making a bomb threat in room full of hundreds of people.

  242. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 20, 2015 at 12:57 pm #

    No one cares to hear lectures about heroism from a convicted terrorist and a domestic stalker.

  243. avatar
    Dave B. July 20, 2015 at 1:11 pm #

    The quality of crazy around here sure ain’t what it used to be. But then I guess it never was, was it?

  244. avatar
    justlw July 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm #

    The thing is: even if McCain turned out to have personally lit the fire on the Forrestal with a highway flare while wearing a black cape and twirling his mustache, it doesn’t change in the slightest what Trump, the B-School Warror, actually said, which is that POWs as a class are not people he likes.

  245. avatar
    Rickey July 20, 2015 at 2:00 pm #

    CRJ:

    Nice Report and Defense of R- McCain! That was really above and beyond your pay grade! Releasing classified info?Wait-a-minute! I’m suppose to be ashamed of myself?

    Who said anything about it being classified information? It was classified in 1967, but no longer. The official reports on the Forrestal fire have been available to researchers for years.

    It’s evident that you have no coherent response to my salient points:

    1. The bombs on McCain’s plane would have exploded from the heat whether they were on his plane or on the flight deck.

    2. There isn’t a scintilla of evidence that McCain gave his plane a wet start, but even he did it would have no effect upon the plane which accidentally fired the Zuni missile. McCain’s plane was on the port side, with its tail pointing toward the sea. The plane which fired the missile was on the starboard side, more than 30 yards away from McCain’s plane. Planes which are waiting to be launched are parked diagonally on the aft flight deck, with their noses pointed forward and their tails pointed at the sea. They do this because it allows them to have more planes on the flight deck than if they were lined up in a row.

    In addition to my time at Subic Bay, I also served two years aboard an aircraft carrier, USS Bon Homme Richard (CVA-31), so I know a thing or two about this.

  246. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 20, 2015 at 2:52 pm #

    Rickey: In addition to my time at Subic Bay, I also served two years aboard an aircraft carrier, USS Bon Homme Richard (CVA-31), so I know a thing or two about this.

    Facts, from someone who has first hand knowledge. Walk away CRJ, just walk away.

  247. avatar
    Reality Check July 20, 2015 at 3:46 pm #

    This is from Stephen Lemons Twitter feed on the status hearing today in Melendres:

    Stay denied. Larry Klayman spoke briefly but was not allowed to address PHV application. The DoJ gets to review the Montgomery docs. Next hearing 7/31.

  248. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 20, 2015 at 5:24 pm #

    The usual band of birthers is sowing misinformation on “natural born citizen”:

    http://www.telegram.com/article/20150720/NEWS/150729988

  249. avatar
    Jim July 20, 2015 at 5:41 pm #

    Larry showed up…Judge Snow better get ready. The Master of Delay, Delay, Delay will be papering him soon. 😀

  250. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The usual band of birthers is sowing misinformation on “natural born citizen”:

    http://www.telegram.com/article/20150720/NEWS/150729988

    Because that has worked out so well for them the last six years.

  251. avatar
    Rickey July 20, 2015 at 6:14 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Facts, from someone who has first hand knowledge. Walk away CRJ, just walk away.

    Here is a link to a photo of my ship, USS Bon Homme Richard, which shows how planes were parked on the aft section of the flight deck prior to launch. Note that the tails of all of the planes are facing the sea.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/images/h97000/h97345.jpg

  252. avatar
    RanTalbott July 20, 2015 at 6:15 pm #

    Jim: The Master of Delay, Delay, Delay will be papering him soon

    Doesn’t Larry have to annoy the 9th Circuit with an appeal of the denial of his pro hoc vitriolo application before he can unleash another spew?

  253. avatar
    CRJ July 21, 2015 at 12:45 am #

    @Rickey – Very cool! Certainly respect your much greater account than mine on the details of that account.

    A wonder about the “shame” on McCain about this account and if you have any info that would Remind FACTCHECK.ORG to get their facts correct?

    [Update, Oct. 12: We have further updated this article to include details from newly released Navy records of an investigation that found McCain’s first crash was due to pilot error, and not, as McCain has stated, an engine failure.]

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/

    We see a common thread here surfacing like a sub coming up. That is a rather large gap between McCain’s own accounts and Official Documents some of which you allude to.

    [Update, Sept 19: This item was originally posted Sept. 5, 2008. We have updated it to include additional details of the 1967 Forrestal disaster from official documents, which differ from McCain’s own, widely accepted recollection]

    Please beg my pardon for any offence towards the Truth that I in my intelligence am not party to. The deterrioration of Intel through the relay of information certainly becomes at times conspiratorial through the interest of protecting the money and political clout of various interested parties.

    Thank you also for recognizing the movie star status of McCain 30-33 Films! The commie bastards certainly took advantage of his captivity.

    Deplore those who would seek over our security the devolution of the Office of the President to fullfill a maniacal trip of the Political Ego. Self aggrandizers who through manipulations would seek to supplant the Safe Harbor of “natural born Citizen” for some one like McCain so nick named the Prince by the KGB/Vietnamese.

    Those who dismiss the wind direction for the proper airlift of “Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents” as a natural direction for the ship to best accomadate safety for the pilots and those aboard the ship.

    Believe my “Record” attest to the “arresting cable” your familiar with.

  254. avatar
    justlw July 21, 2015 at 1:03 am #

    Turing Test fail.

  255. avatar
    gorefan July 21, 2015 at 2:02 am #

    Rickey: Here is a link to a photo of my ship

    Here is the YouTube video of the Forrestal fire. Clearly the planes were oriented with their tails pointed out to sea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

  256. avatar
    Rickey July 21, 2015 at 2:30 am #

    CRJ:

    A wonder about the “shame” on McCain about this account and if you have any info that would Remind FACTCHECK.ORG to get their facts correct?

    [Update, Oct. 12: We have further updated this article to include details from newly released Navy records of an investigation that found McCain’s first crash was due to pilot error, and not, as McCain has stated, an engine failure.]

    McCain’s plane crash is irrelevant to what happened on the Forrestal.

    In the fog of a catastrophe, it is certainly possible to get things wrong. McCain believed that his plane was struck by a missile, but it appears that the missile actually struck the plane next to McCain’s, and when that plane caught on fire McCain’s plane caught on fire. So what?

    As I pointed out before, the fact that one or both of McCain’s bombs fell to the flight deck is irrelevant. The intense heat would have caused them to explode regardless of where they were located.

    There is no evidence that McCain gave his plane a wet start, but even if he did it would have had nothing to do with the accident because, as Gorefan’s link demonstrates, the tail of McCain’s plane was pointed toward the ocean, not toward another plane. The video also shows that bombs which did not drop to the flight deck also exploded from the heat.

    So your two criticisms of McCain – your assertion that he caused the damage to the Forrestal because he dropped his bombs and that he caused the missile to fire because he did a wet start on his plane – are demonstrably wrong.

    That leaves you with two choices. You can be a man and admit that you are wrong, or you can continue to make a fool of yourself. Your track record suggests that you will continue to make a fool of yourself.

  257. avatar
    gorefan July 21, 2015 at 2:46 am #

    Rickey: the tail of McCain’s plane was pointed toward the ocean, not toward another plane. The video also shows that bombs which did not drop to the flight deck also exploded from the heat.

    For completeness, here’s Navy’s training video on the Forrestal and is the original film from which the my link was made.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGwoHyUvOqI

  258. avatar
    Rickey July 21, 2015 at 2:55 am #

    gorefan: Here is the YouTube video of the Forrestal fire.Clearly the planes were oriented with their tails pointed out to sea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

    That’s pretty intense. When the ship limped into Subic Bay the flight deck looked like swiss cheese.

    The Forrestal had a crew of approximately 5,000 sailors and Marines. The survivors obviously wanted to let their families know that they were okay, but Subic Bay had limited telephones which could make calls to the United States, and those calls had to be routed through Manila. The Navy decided to let each man send a short telegram home. In addition to handling the Forrestal’s regular communications, we also typed up and transmitted thousands of telegrams (called Class E messages) over a period of 36 hours.They were sent to the Naval Communication Station in Stockton, California, and from there they were turned over to Western Union for delivery.

  259. avatar
    Notorial Dissent July 21, 2015 at 3:43 am #

    I used to think that Nulwit Nancy was the unchallenged and unconquerable mistress of gibberish and nonsense, and flat out unvarnished lying and all around fantacization but that torch, well really a smoldering pile of skunk dung has now officially passed to princess Judy. I really didn’t think that anyone would ever surpass her in her wastage of helpless electrons or in the spewing of useless and pointless verbiage, but the princess has managed that. Judy is an illiterate clueless liar, with delusions of sentience, and seems to believe that collections of unrelated and unrelatable gibbering passes for intellect and insight. He is wrong in this as he is and has been in every thing else he pretends to. He has also achieved status as being the second person on my total ignore list.

  260. avatar
    roadburner July 21, 2015 at 10:10 am #

    comment over on BR from charlesmountain…

    “There is no real contempt case.

    It’s just bullshirt to collect as much information and tie up Arpaio in court for the rest of Barry’s pResidency with Judge Snowjob presiding”

    he seems to be woefully ignorant of the fact that arpaio has already admitted he was in contempt.

  261. avatar
    CRJ2016 July 21, 2015 at 12:46 pm #

    Rickey: That leaves you with two choices. You can be a man and admit that you are wrong, or you can continue to make a fool of yourself. Your track record suggests that you will continue to make a fool of yourself.

    CRJ: @Rickey – Very cool! Certainly respect your much greater account than mine on the details of that account.

    Those missing the headline sentence are bound to miss the mark and make for the rapacious coral reefs.

    Please demonstrate:

    Notorial Dissent: I used to think that Nulwit Nancy was the unchallenged and unconquerable mistress of gibberish and nonsense, and flat out unvarnished lying and all around fantacization but that torch, well really a smoldering pile of skunk dung has now officially passed to princess Judy. I really didn’t think that anyone would ever surpass her in her wastage of helpless electrons or in the spewing of useless and pointless verbiage, but the princess has managed that. Judy is an illiterate clueless liar, with delusions of sentience, and seems to believe that collections of unrelated and unrelatable gibbering passes for intellect and insight. He is wrong in this as he is and has been in every thing else he pretends to. He has also achieved status as being the second person on my total ignore list.

    Nice word-smithing but hardly something to tell Mom about or record in your diary.

  262. avatar
    Rickey July 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm #

    CRJ2016:
    Those missing the headline sentence are bound to miss the mark and make for the rapacious coral reefs.

    I have no idea what that word salad is supposed to mean.

    You said, “I think that McCain really wet started his plane as a joke to scare someone and that’s what started it.”

    You have been shown incontrovertible proof that a wet start could not possibly have started the Forrestal fire. Yet you refuse to admit that you were wrong. That tells us a lot about your character.

  263. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 21, 2015 at 2:55 pm #

    CRJ2016: Those missing the headline sentence are bound to miss the mark and make for the rapacious coral reefs.

    Please demonstrate:

    So you’re taking the later option then and continuing to show you’re a gutless coward who can’t face reality?

  264. avatar
    bob July 21, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

    C’mon: Judy claims he ran for president in 2008 and 2012 — yet his name was not listed on a single ballot.

  265. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2015 at 5:43 pm #

    A fact I reminded him of in a reply just a little while ago.

    roadburner: he seems to be woefully ignorant of the fact that arpaio has already admitted he was in contempt.

  266. avatar
    James M July 21, 2015 at 7:22 pm #

    Rickey: Those missing the headline sentence are bound to miss the mark and make for the rapacious coral reefs.

    I have no idea what that word salad is supposed to mean.

    It’s almost surfer poetry! I got a chuckle, despite the source.

  267. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 21, 2015 at 7:48 pm #

    bob: C’mon: Judy claims he ran for president in 2008 and 2012 — yet his name was not listed on a single ballot.

    He’s running for president of the United States of America in some alternative timeline fiction

  268. avatar
    CRJ2016 July 22, 2015 at 9:34 am #

    bob:
    C’mon: Judy claims he ran for president in 2008 and 2012 — yet his name was not listed on a single ballot.

    No, my name was listed on a number of individual ballots. You see a ‘Ballot’ begins with an individual’s ballot. I know you guys like to get a head of yourself and really only give credit to being listed on a State’s Ballot. But every election I have ever been in I was found voted for. That’s the importance of a ‘write-in’. You may not have head of the term, because its a small muscle that is not exercised much but its none-the-less law.

    One of the amazing things about our Nation is every vote counts! Your’s, mine, and even the 10 Billion Dollar Man Mr. Trumps’ is worth exactly the same. When you start to disparage that known fact, you are very close to doing yourself a lot of harm. That’s why I stand up for the little guy. I understand how important the individual is, and it seems at times, that many of you here forget that in such condescending and belittling terms.

    Gotta give you guys some news! I am going to win! Now what I win isn’t as important as winning. But you guys are all going to have to eat a big bag of dog poop for the crap that’s been coming out of your mouths..(smile) ahhh, lol.. I’m just kidding about the ‘dog-poop’. You don’t really have to eat that, but your own words are going to be coming back for you to digest. Whatever you remember they are, that’s what your going to be eating.

    You know Doc halted ‘comments’ on his failed prophesy.. not to mention having to ‘change’ his story? Aint that something? You all should take notice and watch what’s going to come back and eat you up. I mean how ‘deceptive’ is it to tell everyone here that my Case was going to be dismissed June 18th, pull over on the freeway to check it out, find out it wasn’t, and then make excuses for it and change the headlines on your story?

    Is that what we are going for here? Talk about ‘spinning a story’ you guys are the masters of making your ‘losing’ endeavors appear to be ‘winners’. (laugh) I mean its kind of funny, but in another way its very serious that you hold such contempt for upholding our Constitution’s nuclear center. You know 14 pages of the 48 in that little Constitution pamphlet are referencing the Office of the President? Find any subject principle or person who occupies more space in references and that should tell you how very important this is. Here’s the ‘changed story’ headlines Doc wrote:

    News: Supreme Court rejects Judy plea
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2015/06/future-news-supreme-court-rejects-judy-plea/

    Now, do you all really consider even the ‘changed’ headline a big deal? (smile) Of course not, Doc’s good with you all and has dedicated a lot of time to what? Defending the Constitution? Making our United States a safer place? There is a SECOND CONFERENCE. Where’s that headline for all those who want to follow the Case. How fortunate-‘Comments’ are closed?

    Did the SCOTUS ‘Deny’ my plea? Which one?, Oh the minor detail of the ‘forma pauperis’ but what we all know Doc wanted was for everyone who read the story to believe ‘In order to continue the appeal, Mr. Judy will have to pay the filing fee and comply with court rules.’? Wrong again! The Case continues, Judy has not had to pay the filing fee, and he has complied with Court rules.

    How about another example? Remember ole ‘Rickey-tickey-tembo’s’ great discovery’, along with ‘Reality Check’s Hallucinatory-Denial’ that my forma pauperis status or standing was dismissed based on Rule 38.9? Anyone in their right mind would know if that was the case then the Supreme Court of the United States would certainly list it as such?

    Now owing to “Rickey-Tickey-Tembo'” and “Reality’s-Check-Hallucinatory-Denial”‘s great big discovery of Rule 39.8 , they can ‘man-up’ now and apologize to everyone, or slink off into the corner of a 6 weeks Research Rehabilitation’s 12-step program? I dont really expect the apology, and probably expect them to look for Door #C- slash and burn- maime and defame- ridicule and rile.

    :
    Decided to do a little research on the Cases that were also placed on the Pending Orders list in the June 18th Conference. The findings were interesting and revealed my case as rather an enigma in regards to the ‘forma pauperis’ standing, being denied that is. There were 6 Cases in all that were placed on the Pending Orders List- denied proceeding with ‘ forma pauperis status or standing in the June 18th Conference.

    :It is true that if the Court finds in a case the petitioner to be abusing the Court process in multiple filings that Rule 38.9 was established to ‘Deny’ forma pauperis standing, or process to the Court without filing fees being paid. Rule 39.8 states:
    :” If satisfied that a petition for a writ of certiorari, jurisdictional statement, or petition for an extraordinary writ is frivolous or malicious, the Court may deny leave to proceed in forma pauperis.”

    :The biggest question I had for the Clerk in my phone call was if my Case was denied based on this wouldn’t it be mentioned that it was in pursuant to 39.8 and the clerk informed me that it would.

    As I researched the Cases, in deed, I found that to be true.

    Cases that were denied forma pauperis standing that Conference day that had ” pursuant to Rule 39.8 ” attached to their Cases were:
    :14-7802 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8
    :14-7899 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8
    :14-8081 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8
    :14-8082 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8

    That left only two other cases mine and this one:
    14-9747 Macak v. McDonald Sec. Vet Affairs I found the dismissal by the Circuit Court for Veterans Claims (link).
    I called Mr. Macak and inquired wither he had paid for any Court fees in the lower courts. Based on the fact that this was essentially a veterans claim originating from the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit case No. 1015-7011, there was never any cost involved.

    In speaking with him I gathered that he is between 75-80 years old, has no more dependent children living with him ( his youngest was 18 and he had twins that were 22 years old). He had a $1,200 dollar mortgage. His retirement entitlement between social security and disability was $4,100 per month.

    I couldn’t help but think good Lord if I was clearing half of what he had coming in a month with no dependents I certainly could afford 2-4K in printing cost and a $300 Court Fee and I’d feel like a pretty dog-gone cheap skate if I didn’t. This was a guaranteed income that Mr. Macak had. He has not filed for a Reconsideration from the Court on the denial of forma pauperis. I did and was given the conference on the motion for reconsideration for Sept.28th.

    My income you have to deduct product cost from sales. If you do not pay for product you certainly have no sales not to mention my business is subject to ‘seasonal fluctuations’. Try to explain that to a Court that wants to know “gross”, not “net” and you can understand why a Magistrate Court Judge might ‘get it’ in the Lower Courts but the Supreme Court might have missed it.

    Anyway, its just really bothered me that mine was denied and seeing this information helped me make some sense of what may have happened in the Supreme Court of the United States. Also seeing the debunking of so many insults that have come to me over the insinuation that my case was amongst those whose was dismissed due to Rule 39.8 also made me feel better.

    Now, there was no guessing game there Folks. Rickey and Reality Check I am positive are very competent in their research abilities. Understanding this leads us to believe, that three of your very best and brightest stars over here at Obamaconspiracy.org are really good at manipulating the truth away and out from underneath you, just like they have been doing all along on this ‘natural born Citizen’ issue.

    You all know the Judges have never had a hearing on the ‘natural born Citizen’ requirement for President and Vice President. (don’t forget those two offices) that was a real test to the principle ‘Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents’ with standing fulfilled.

    There have been quite a few times in my life where I found myself standing up for the right, I won the fight, but the reward was cheap. Has that every happened to you guys? Kind of like getting the Congressional Medal of Honor out of a 50 cent plastic candy machine. You know with the little plastic balls inside. (laugh)

    You know I’ll never forget going to bat for the Native American Indians held for decades in maximum security solely on the basis they did not cut their hair to the prison standards for male inmates. Oh it was an official ‘dis-obeying’ a direct order run-around-game for the warden, but the results were a discrimination of religion based on what amounted to what people looked like. The physical appearance of someone.

    I was held in Maximum Security in ‘solitary confinement’ for over 3.5 years based on that with my petitions in court..waiting. Just waiting and of course not cutting my hair. I was called the same thing Sen. Lindsay Graham called Donald Trump Monday over and over and over again by the prison guards who recited over and over and over the wins for the Prison System on this matter.

    I wasn’t suing on a religious issue, I hit the Court in a different directions..discrimination of gender on the basis of physical grooming standard. The women had one line..’female inmates can grow their hair as long as they want’.
    The men had two pages of requirements. All that hoop-lah about ‘cleanliness’ was just a wash as they were letting the women be invested with whatever it was they were keeping from the men.

    Now, three and half years later fighting for this, taking the abuse, I mean as hard as you can get legally., getting out of a cell only one hour every 24 hours, for about 1,095 days, I suddenly see through a window one day a new inmate man coming through R&O walking down the hall with long hair.

    A couple of days later I am shackled and cuffed and taken to Court. I had sued for $10 a day for the violation. What? We’d call that peanuts considering that kind of abuse over your appearance. What that would total about $12,600.00

    You know what the Judge said to me? “Well, Judy you got your hair.” Case dismissed. The reward in Court was certainly, well, taken out of a 50 cent candy machine. Do you know what the reward was when I hit General Population?

    Standing Ovation… you can’t imagine men who are children of God so appreciative of the little things when everything had been taken from them. Oh they did what they did to get there, but our Society had set a limit on it and when the freight was paid it was paid it was suppose to be done and society was suppose to accept them back into their loving arms.

    Unfortunately, society isn’t as perfect as Christ the Lord. But I will tell you, not getting the $12 thousand dollars was not as bad as the conscience that bothers all of those guards and the warden for what they did. Rules is rules you say, well the Nazi’s had rules to and you suffer the rules that you stand for.

    I was a hero to the General Population in Prison, and there is no reason to expect less from the United States Supreme Court in their decision that Obama, Rubio, Cruz are ineligible Candidates for President.

    That’s just one story.. I have a lot (smile) Check out my book : Taking A Stand- the Conservative Independent Voice.

  269. avatar
    bgansel9 July 22, 2015 at 11:00 am #

    CRJ2016: I know you guys like to get a head of yourself and really only give credit to being listed on a State’s Ballot. But every election I have ever been in I was found voted for. That’s the importance of a ‘write-in’.

    What percentage of the vote did you get CRJ? Let’s be serious. Your name came up on very few ballots. I see that you got 8 write-in votes out of 179,412 total votes in the Utah District 1 House race in 2002. You may call yourself a former candidate, but let’s be real, you’d never win with numbers like that.

    Your attempts to win elections are pure folly.

  270. avatar
    bgansel9 July 22, 2015 at 11:02 am #

    CRJ2016: I was a hero to the General Population in Prison, and there is no reason to expect less from the United States Supreme Court in their decision that Obama, Rubio, Cruz are ineligible Candidates for President.

    Yeah, because when I want legal advice, the first place I look is in a PRISON. Bwahahahahaha! NOT!

  271. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 22, 2015 at 11:13 am #

    CRJ2016: blah blah blah

    TL:DR:DC

    That’s some strong lsd you’ve been on.

  272. avatar
    donna July 22, 2015 at 12:29 pm #

    Birther (Corsi) Who Thinks Obama Secretly Married His Pakistani Roommate Now Pitching Hillary Gay Story

    Corsi told host and fellow conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that Clinton and Abedin are not only lovers, but also secret agents of the Muslim Brotherhood. Along with Obama, whom he says “has been Muslim Brotherhood from the beginning,” Corsi claims that the administration engineered the 2012 Benghazi attack and are working to arm Al Qaeda.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/birther-who-thinks-obama-secretly-married

  273. avatar
    bob July 22, 2015 at 12:47 pm #

    CRJ2016: No, my name was listed on a number of individual ballots.

    Judy claims his name was written in, but being listed is not the same being written in. Being listed shows that the candidate is sufficiently serious — and not driven solely by vanity or ego, like Judy. Under Judy’s “analysis,” “Lizard People” and “Flying Spaghetti Monster” were candidates for the U.S. Senate, to be accorded the same respect that Judy (thinks he) deserves.

    Regardless, there’s no evidence that anyone wrote in Judy’s name for the 2008 or 2012 presidential elections. There’s no evidence that Judy was even a certified/registered write-in candidate for either of those elections (some states require even write-in candidates to be certified or registered, like when thousands of Georgians voted for Charles Darwin).

    You all know the Judges have never had a hearing on the ‘natural born Citizen’ requirement for President and Vice President. (don’t forget those two offices) that was a real test to the principle ‘Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents’ with standing fulfilled.

    Around a dozen courts have expressly ruled that birth in the United States is sufficient for natural-born citizenship. These were not dismissals for lack of standing. (And the lack of a hearing does not make any of those rulings any less valid.)

    I was a hero to the General Population in Prison, and there is no reason to expect less from the United States Supreme Court in their decision that Obama, Rubio, Cruz are ineligible Candidates for President.

    Judy is so lost in his delusions that he forgets that he never sued Rubio or Cruz, so the Supreme Court can’t make any ruling about them. Judy also forgets that he sued Obama for monetary damages — a claim both the district and appellate court expressly said was frivolous.

  274. avatar
    bob July 22, 2015 at 1:56 pm #

    In the 2008 general election in Utah, “Judy ‘Write-In'” received exactly ZERO votes. And Judy isn’t even listed in the 2012 results.

  275. avatar
    Rickey July 22, 2015 at 1:58 pm #

    CRJ2016:

    Did the SCOTUS ‘Deny’ my plea? Which one?, Oh the minor detail of the ‘forma pauperis’ but what we all know Doc wanted was for everyone who read the story to believe ‘In order to continue the appeal, Mr. Judy will have to pay the filing fee and comply with court rules.’? Wrong again! The Case continues, Judy has not had to pay the filing fee, and he has complied with Court rules.

    Actually, you haven’t complied with the court rules. On June 22 you were ordered to pay the docketing fee and to submit your petition in compliance with Rule 33.1 no later than July 13. You have not done that.

    The biggest question I had for the Clerk in my phone call was if my Case was denied based on this wouldn’t it be mentioned that it was in pursuant to 39.8 and the clerk informed me that it would.

    As I researched the Cases, in deed, I found that to be true.

    Cases that were denied forma pauperis standing that Conference day that had ” pursuant to Rule 39.8 ” attached to their Cases were:

    :14-7802 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8
    :14-7899 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8
    :14-8081 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8
    :14-8082 The motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is denied see rule 39.8

    Except that those cases were decided in March, not in June. They were on the schedule for the June conference merely to dispose of motions for reconsideration. The way clerks entered rulings in March may not have been the same in June. It is unlikely that SCOTUS will ever give you an explanation. However, I’ve noticed that you still haven’t posted a copy of the letter which you received from SCOTUS. How about it?

    The bottom line is that SCOTUS either denied your in forma pauperis motion because your petition is frivolous (as both the trial court and the appeals court ruled), or SCOTUS concluded that that you weren’t convincing when you claimed that you couldn’t afford to pay to filing fee and the cost of printing petitions.

    If it turns out that I was wrong about why your motion was denied, I’ll be more than willing to admit it. Unlike some people, I have no problem admitting it when I get something wrong.

    That’s just one story.. I have a lot (smile) Check out my book : Taking A Stand- the Conservative Independent Voice.

    I tried reading the preview portion of your book at Amazon. To call it incoherent would be an understatement.

  276. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 22, 2015 at 2:01 pm #

    Rickey: I tried reading the preview portion of your book at Amazon. To call it incoherent would be an understatement.

    Crazy street hobo rantings make more sense than Judy’s drivel. Although he does almost look the part.

  277. avatar
    Rickey July 22, 2015 at 2:05 pm #

    bob:
    In the 2008 general election in Utah, “Judy ‘Write-In’” received exactly ZERO votes.And Judy isn’t even listed in the 2012 results.

    Hey, give him some credit. He knew enough to not vote for himself.

  278. avatar
    gorefan July 22, 2015 at 2:05 pm #

    bob:
    In the 2008 general election in Utah, “Judy ‘Write-In’” received exactly ZERO votes.And Judy isn’t even listed in the 2012 results.

    Are you saying that even Judy or his family members wouldn’t vote for him?

  279. avatar
    bob July 22, 2015 at 2:52 pm #

    gorefan: Are you saying that even Judy or his family members wouldn’t vote for him?

    Once released from prison, even felons can vote in Utah. Yet in 2008 literally no one voted for Judy for president in Utah, the only state in which he was a declared write-in presidential candidate. (And to state the obvious: The names of declared write-in candidates are not listed on the ballot; they do not even “appear” unless they are written in.)

  280. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 22, 2015 at 3:36 pm #

    Wow, someone has to be a really special kind of pathetic loser, if their own kin wouldn’t even vote for them.

  281. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 22, 2015 at 3:43 pm #

    So, some of the birthers seem completely convinced that Shurfjoke’s past actions catching up with him are because “the fix is in”. I’m tempted to prey on those delusions by making a new account on ID, posting on BR, and telling them “Yes! The fix IS in. WE fixed his wagon! And we’ll fix each and every one last one of yours as well, when we so choose too! Mwahahahahaha!”. No sane person would see such a post as anything but mean spirited ribbing, but those aren’t sane folks.

    I was thinking on why the denizens of BR are so hardcore for Trump, but in their minds he is the only candidate they deem “qualified” to run. The fact he hates brown people, is just a bonus for them. Man, it’s gonna sting something fierce, for them, when he doesn’t get the GOP nomination.

  282. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 22, 2015 at 4:11 pm #

    bob: Once released from prison, even felons can vote in Utah. Yet in 2008 literally no one voted for Judy for president in Utah, the only state in which he was a declared write-in presidential candidate. (And to state the obvious: The names of declared write-in candidates are not listed on the ballot; they do not even “appear” unless they are written in.)

    Are you saying he didn’t even vote for himself?

  283. avatar
    bob July 22, 2015 at 5:30 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Are you saying he didn’t even vote for himself?

    In 2008, no Utah citizen voted for Judy for president. Which would presumably include Judy.

    In 2012, assuming anyone actually did vote for Judy for president, that vote would not have counted because Judy was not a declared write-in candidate (and, obviously, was not a candidate for any party’s nomination).

  284. avatar
    bgansel9 July 22, 2015 at 6:00 pm #

    Rickey: Hey, give him some credit. He knew enough to not vote for himself.

    Funniest thing I’ve ever read on the inter-tubes.

  285. avatar
    CRJ July 22, 2015 at 7:05 pm #

    Evidence you requested
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aLoe1Vl4CCU

  286. avatar
    Crustacean July 22, 2015 at 7:37 pm #

    Evidence of dumbassery, maybe. OK, who’s the genius who asked CRJ for some kind of evidence? Don’t encourage this psycho!!

    CRJ: Evidence you requested

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    bob July 22, 2015 at 7:50 pm #

    CRJ:
    Evidence you requested
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aLoe1Vl4CCU

    Try to keep up, Judy: We’re talking about the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections. And not the 2010 senate elections. An election in which two people voted for Judy as a write-in candidate. Down from the 16 votes Judy received in his 2004 senate write-in campaign.

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    CRJ July 22, 2015 at 8:27 pm #

    Maybe this one.. (?) I’ll get it.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLLBPYMWei1g65qR3LQHrUfSCLxkoi3aSF&v=QpvmInRUpkI

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    bob July 22, 2015 at 8:41 pm #

    CRJ:
    Maybe this one.. (?) I’ll get it.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLLBPYMWei1g65qR3LQHrUfSCLxkoi3aSF&v=QpvmInRUpkI

    Twenty three minutes of Judy’s word salad is still not evidence that anyone voted for him in 2008 or 2012.

    Sweet lion painting in the background, tho.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 22, 2015 at 9:56 pm #

    bob: Twenty three minutes of Judy’s word salad is still not evidence that anyone voted for him in 2008 or 2012.

    Sweet lion painting in the background, tho.

    All I saw was a cheap Ron Jeremy knock off not actually proving his point.

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    Keith July 22, 2015 at 11:50 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: All I saw was a cheap Ron Jeremy knock off not actually proving his point.

    Hah! Judy wishes s/he were a Ron Jeremy knock off. But s/he is cheap, I’ll grant you that.