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More Republicans think Ted Cruz was born in the US than Barack Obama

obama_cruz_birthA new Public Policy Polling result was released today, and the results do not bode well for the Republican Party or the country as a whole (assuming that facts and reason are a good thing). The counterfactual belief expressed in my headline is particularly striking with Donald Trump’s supporters:

imageimage66% of Trump’s supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim to just 12% that grant he’s a Christian. 61% think Obama was not born in the United States to only 21% who accept that he was. And 63% want to amend the Constitution to eliminate birthright citizenship, to only 20% who want to keep things the way they are.

But overall Republicans lean the same way: 54% think Obama is a Muslim and only 29% are willing to say that he was born in the USA. Compare that to 40% who say that the admittedly Canadian-born Ted Cruz was born in the United States.

Public Policy Polling surveyed 572 usual Republican primary voters and 545 usual Democratic primary voters from August 28th to 30th. The margin of error for the Republicans is +/-4.1% and for the Democrats it’s +/-4.2%. 80% of participants responded via the phone, while 20% of respondents who did not have landlines conducted the survey over the internet.

While only 29% of Republicans overall believe Obama was born in the US, that is not the case among Republicans who support Jeb Bush or Chris Christie (56% and 59% respectively).

No wonder so many Republicans are gravitating towards Donald Trump. They don’t have a clue.

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34 Responses to More Republicans think Ted Cruz was born in the US than Barack Obama

  1. avatar
    john September 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm #

    I think people of the GOP can’t argue when Obama Himself has confessed he was born in Kenya – http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/09/Obama-Closeup-2.png

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    bob September 1, 2015 at 4:38 pm #

    john:
    I think people of the GOP can’t argue when Obama Himself has confessed he was born in Kenya – http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/09/Obama-Closeup-2.png

    Oh john, you lying liar: Obama didn’t write that. You know that Obama’s agent admitted that she wrote that, and admitted it was her mistake — and her mistake alone.

    That you refuse to accept this is entirely your own problem.

    And enjoy being part of the 71% that is dumber than a box of rocks. (No offense to rocks intended.)

  3. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 1, 2015 at 4:42 pm #

    I refuse to believe that john exists.

    Damn, nothing is happening to that effect.
    Well john, I think that proves that just because you believe something, that doesn’t make it so.

  4. avatar
    J.D. Reed September 1, 2015 at 4:45 pm #

    What are the faith and birthplace figures for the followers of Ben Carson?

  5. avatar
    john September 1, 2015 at 4:46 pm #

    You also can’t argue that the government of Kenya has already confessed that Obama was born there – Both by the ambassador and the Kenyan Parliment.

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    Joey September 1, 2015 at 4:56 pm #

    john:
    I think people of the GOP can’t argue when Obama Himself has confessed he was born in Kenya – http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/09/Obama-Closeup-2.png

    A year earlier in 1990, Obama was interviewed by all the major city newspapers when he was elected to head the Harvard Law Review. In the NY Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune and the LA Times it was reported that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and that his FATHER was from Kenya.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

  7. avatar
    bob September 1, 2015 at 4:59 pm #

    john:
    You also can’t argue that the government of Kenya has already confessed that Obama was born there – Both by the ambassador and the Kenyan Parliment.

    Oh lying John: the ambassador never said President Obama was born there.

    And the member of parliament?: H – E – A – R – S – A – Y. There is no document form the Kenyan government stating President Obama was born there.

    But you knew all this: these are losing birther argument that were debunked years ago, and haven’t improved with age.

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    Joey September 1, 2015 at 5:12 pm #

    john:
    You also can’t argue that the government of Kenya has already confessed that Obama was born there – Both by the ambassador and the Kenyan Parliment.

    You can’t argue with the fact that the government of Hawaii, under a Republican Governor and the United States House of Representatives by resolution [HR 593 (2009)] acknowledged that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:1:./temp/~c111r9efDE::

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    J.D. Reed September 1, 2015 at 5:13 pm #

    john:
    I think people of the GOP can’t argue when Obama Himself has confessed he was born in Kenya – http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/09/Obama-Closeup-2.png

    John can’t possibly have the personal knowledge to be sure what he wrote is true. Thus, the words of Abraham Lincoln:

    “I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him. This maxim ought to be particularly held in view, when we contemplate an attack upon the reputation of our neighbor.”

  10. avatar
    Arthur B. September 1, 2015 at 5:17 pm #

    bob: And the member of parliament?: H – E – A – R – S – A – Y. There is no document form the Kenyan government stating President Obama was born there.

    That’s literally true.

    But there is a transcript of a session of the Kenyan parliament in which James Orengo, a member, stated that Obama had been born there.

    It was an isolated remark in the middle of a long, rambling speech, none of which seemed to be taken very seriously, and no other member raised the issue of Obama’s birth either pro or con.

    A year or so ago I tracked down the transcript online. I probably kept copy, but I can’t locate it right now.

  11. avatar
    Joey September 1, 2015 at 5:18 pm #

    Latest public opinion poll showing just how much the vast majority of registered voters in ths nation despise the Republican Party:
    Quinnipiac University Poll. Aug. 20-25, 2015. N=1,563 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 2.5.
    “Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling their job?”
    Approve: 12%
    Disapprove: 81%
    Unsure: 7%
    http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

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    Joey September 1, 2015 at 5:22 pm #

    Quinnipiac University. Aug. 20-25, 2015. N=1,563 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 2.5.

    “Is your opinion of Donald Trump favorable, unfavorable or haven’t you heard enough about him?”
    Favorable: 36%
    Unfavorable: 54%
    Haven’t heard enough: 8%
    Refused: 2%
    http://www.pollingreport.com/S-Z.htm#Trump

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    Rickey September 1, 2015 at 5:23 pm #

    john:
    I think people of the GOP can’t argue when Obama Himself has confessed he was born in Kenya – http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/09/Obama-Closeup-2.png

    The woman who wrote that admitted that she never met or spoke to Obama, so you are bearing false witness.

    Weren’t you told that bearing false witness is a sin?

  14. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 1, 2015 at 5:57 pm #

    john:
    You also can’t argue that the government of Kenya has already confessed that Obama was born there – Both by the ambassador and the Kenyan Parliment.

    You’re not even trying any more. Why Doc continues letting you come here to post absolutely nothing but baseless bullcrap is beyond anyone. Maybe he pities you.

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    Arthur B. September 1, 2015 at 6:05 pm #

    bob: There is no document form the Kenyan government…

    OK, I’ve found it again. The hansard for that day is at:

    http://info.mzalendo.com/hansard/sitting/national_assembly/2010-03-25-14-30-00

    at, at the bottom of p. 30, James Orengo (The Minister for Lands) says,

    “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?”

    Needless to say, this was a statement by an individual member, not a declaration by the body.

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    Joey September 1, 2015 at 6:11 pm #

    Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients. “You’re undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”–snopes.com

  17. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 1, 2015 at 6:31 pm #

    Hey, the blog is about birthers. John is a live specimen to study.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Maybe he pities you.

  18. avatar
    J.D. Reed September 1, 2015 at 6:57 pm #

    Arthur there are more than 300 members of the Kenyan parliament. To find one low information lawmaker should come as no shock to anyone — especially considering the number we have in our own Congress. A guy making an unsupported assertion, even if he’s an elected official, is no credible evidence. Are you listening, John?

  19. avatar
    Joey September 1, 2015 at 7:02 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Hey, the blog is about birthers. John is a live specimen to study.

    Can we dissect him?

  20. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 1, 2015 at 7:12 pm #

    john:
    You also can’t argue that the government of Kenya has already confessed that Obama was born there – Both by the ambassador and the Kenyan Parliment.

    Why do you trust the government of Kenya more than you do the government of Hawaii and America?

  21. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 1, 2015 at 7:18 pm #

    Now, if we did that, he wouldn’t be a live specimen any more.

    Joey: Can we dissect him?

  22. avatar
    Dave B. September 1, 2015 at 7:22 pm #

    Uh, I’m not seeing that as a negative.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Now, if we did that, he wouldn’t be a live specimen any more.

  23. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater September 1, 2015 at 9:15 pm #

    john:
    I think people of the GOP can’t argue when Obama Himself has confessed he was born in Kenya – http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/09/Obama-Closeup-2.png

    You lied he didn’t confess himself as that wasn’t written by him but instead miriam goderich

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/born-kenya-obama-literary-agent-misidentified-birthplace-1991-214423507.html

    Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

    “This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me–an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”

  24. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater September 1, 2015 at 9:17 pm #

    john:
    You also can’t argue that the government of Kenya has already confessed that Obama was born there – Both by the ambassador and the Kenyan Parliment.

    It’s funny how all these people always go unnamed by birthers. Do Kenyans not have names? All of the Kenyan parliament or one person talking in it?

    Hmm I seem to remember when Corsi was claiming a US Ambassador asked the Kenyan government if Obama was born there they came back with saying they checked their records and found no record of Obama being born there.

  25. avatar
    Rickey September 1, 2015 at 10:58 pm #

    It seems to me that if 40% of Republicans believe that Ted Cruz was born in the United States, it should not be surprising if one Kenyan politician believes that Obama was born in Kenya.

  26. avatar
    RanTalbott September 2, 2015 at 2:27 am #

    john: You also can’t argue that the government of Kenya has already confessed that Obama was born there – Both by the ambassador and the Kenyan Parliment.

    Obviously, you can, because you just did. Despite having been proved wrong years ago.

    Arthur’s already covered the fact that it wasn’t “Parliament”, but an individual member who “confessed”.

    As for the Ambassador, he never said that our president was born there. In a discussion about both him and his father, he answered a question about “Barack Obama” that didn’t explicitly say which one with a reference to his father. Which birthers have incompetently and/or dishonestly chosen to construe as a reference to the son, despite the evidence to the contrary.

  27. avatar
    Lupin September 2, 2015 at 2:51 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Now, if we did that, he wouldn’t be a live specimen any more.

    He is barely “alive” as it is. He is a mindless automaton. I guess he “functions”.

  28. avatar
    Lupin September 2, 2015 at 2:58 am #

    “No wonder so many Republicans are gravitating towards Donald Trump. They don’t have a clue.”

    It dependss on your edefinition of “cliue”.

    I think they gravitate towards the Trumpster for the same reason roaches are attracted to a Roch Motel, the sweet warm smell of fascism and burned books, blacks, foreigners, etc. in the night.

    They can’t wait to feel cozy inside a brown/black shirt/white cowl and terrorize “inferior” races.

    When I was in college, we had a couple of TAs who’s fled from Pinochet’s Chile just after the coup (saved their lives, probably) and they described very well how those types of people are drawn, nay, seduced by strong man fascism that gives you the license to hate and bully in the open.

  29. avatar
    RanTalbott September 2, 2015 at 3:01 am #

    No wonder so many Republicans are gravitating towards Donald Trump. They don’t have a clue.

    Rachel Maddow mentioned that as being some cold comfort for the more-mainstream candidates who were stuck in the (sometimes low) single digits. I would add that there’s a larger-than-normal segment of the GOP who hunger for simple answers to complex questions, and Trump is much more eager than the “mainstream” candidates to feed that need.

    There was one possible sign of sanity in that poll: a couple of months ago, a poll asked GOP voters whether they’d rather have someone who best represents the party ideologically (a paraphrase, but I think a correct one) or someone who could win the general election. the respondents went for the former by about 2-to-1. This poll asked whether voters wanted “the most conservative” (which is not quite the same) or the candidate with the best chance of winning, and the response was about 3-to-5 in favor of “winning”. So my belief that the voters would change their priority as the actual voting got closer may be correct.

    Otoh, there remains some serious doubt about whether a group who believe so much wacky stuff will reach the correct conclusion about who has the best chance…

  30. avatar
    The Magic M September 2, 2015 at 3:55 am #

    J.D. Reed: To find one low information lawmaker should come as no shock to anyone — especially considering the number we have in our own Congress. A guy making an unsupported assertion, even if he’s an elected official, is no credible evidence.

    Not even Kenya assumes the US have “admitted” the world is 6,000 years old just because several US Congressmen believe and have stated that.

    But hey, why would a birther not take statements by some random Kenyans over official US documents? Otherwise his racist conspiracy theory would not work.

  31. avatar
    The Magic M September 2, 2015 at 3:56 am #

    RanTalbott: he answered a question about “Barack Obama” that didn’t explicitly say which one with a reference to his father. Which birthers have incompetently and/or dishonestly chosen to construe as a reference to the son, despite the evidence to the contrary.

    If birthers believe Obama is the left’s “Messiah”, they have to believe he is his own father anyway. 😉

  32. avatar
    ellen September 3, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

    smrstrauss has been banned on this site:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2015/08/31/nbc-abc-yawn-obama-bypasses-congress-again

    If anyone else would like to respond to the few remaining active birthers, please do.

  33. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater September 3, 2015 at 2:19 pm #

    ellen:
    smrstrauss has been banned on this site:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2015/08/31/nbc-abc-yawn-obama-bypasses-congress-again

    If anyone else would like to respond to the few remaining active birthers, please do.

    Not even worth the effort when the moderator is just as clueless. The moderator calls Strauss a leftist despite Strauss not speaking on social or economic issues. Then wrongly claims the left will pull the same thing on cruz and Rubio